Baran always had a good shot to win against vearn even in his young prime body I would say a good 35 % chance to catch him off guard and kill him that's why vearn was so wary to challenge him and used dirty trick to get rid of him he didn't want to take no gamble. Don't get me wrong vearn is still much more stronger than him but he was too afraid of the dragon knight battle experience and the unknown potential of the dragon crest.
I think he had a good chance to wipe him in his Dragonoid form vs Vearn's old form. Dai's base two crest can best old Vearn so im guessing Baran's Dragonoid form is close enough to that level to peak the fear
@@Avocado_Ruler Hardly. Baran, full power and dragonoid, is on the same level of golem Vearn and semi-dragonoid Dai. It can be debated who is stronger than who, but the idea that Vearn could simply dismiss Baran is absurd. It would be interesting to see if Dragonoid Baran, by himself, could defeat the ultimate defense of Vearn though.
I love Baran as much as anyone, but the fan-wank has to stop. He could perhaps defeat Vearn's old self at great cost, but 4 times out of 10 at best. And even then, even Dai with the twin Crests was totally outmatched by Vearn's young self, so Baran would stand no chance. The final boss in that kind of story is always the most powerful character till the hero reaches him. Baran could roast anyone but him. Period.
In fact, Baran is the one who will defeat King Varen, even if the last is in his ideal form.. And the reasons are many: First: Baran and Dai equlize when they fought each other because Baran put the human heart aside during the battle, and it is known that the dragon form of Baran combines the strength of the dragon, the cunning of the Demon and the feelings of humans during the fight. Second: Baran did not find it difficult to defeat Haddler when he was in the the super demon form, because the first fought him using the three advantages mentioned above.. And Hadler would have been able to kill King Varen If Zapoera had not intervened then. Third: If King Farn did not know for sure that he would not survive a confrontation with Baran, he would not have used the trick, I mean the black core, to kill Baran and avoid any confrontation with him. Conclusion: Baran with his human heart and a dragon sword has the priority in eliminating King Farn with his own wand, but he certainly will not survive his mortal wounds..
Nonsense if not for them using Dai as a hostage. Baran himself can kick even young Vern's ass. Afterall he's the real dragon knight of that era. Strongest being.
Dai with twin Draconic crests is stated to be more powerful then Dragonoid Baran and it makes sense considering it’s Dai’s Draconic Crest + Baran’s Draconic Crest and Dai also gained besides Baran’s crest the knowledge and fighting experience of all dragon knights and I assume u saw the manga since u mentioned young Vearn?
But here’s a full explanation SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS AHEAD It’s stated by Vearn that Dai with the twin crests is stronger then Dragonoid Baran and it’s later stated that Dai was holding back the power of Baran’s Crest that he was only using 3.5 power out of 10 and using his crest at a 10 out of 10 so Dai holding back with the twin crests > Dragonoid Baran then after Vearn becomes young Dai uses both crests and full power and then puts them on his forehead where it’s stated the crest is at its strongest there and he merges both crests turning them into a Draconic Crown so now Dai >>> Dragonoid Baran cuz the Demon Dragon Blade is strong enough to endure Baran’s power but when Dai got the demon dragon blade and used it against Young Vearn who’s transformed into this giant beast by unleashing the max power of his 3rd eye Baran’s soul tells Dai that the Demon Dragon Blade will shatter since Dai is way to strong and Vearn is too strong Dai also can use Giga Strash which is far far superior to Giga Break so no Dai is indeed the strongest
Baran gave it his all and then some just to conceal a dark core explosion activated from a MINISCULE amount of Vearn's power. This has to be a joke right?
I love Baran as much as anyone, but the fan-wank has to stop. He could perhaps defeat Vearn's old self at great cost, but 4 times out of 10 at best. And even then, even Dai with the twin Crests was totally outmatched by Vearn's young self. Not to mention the Sovereing Supreme who took everything from Dai at his absolute mightiest to destroy, using a previously inflicted wound. The final boss in that kind of story is always the most powerful character till the hero reaches him. Baran could roast anyone but Vearn. Period.
Baran vencio a versa y su ejercito. vearn no pudo, creo que baran dragonoide vence a vearn aun muy muy sufridamente, en la serie vearn siempre le mostro respeto.
No realmente, se requirió de Fly con dos sellos de dragón en forma dragonoide para siquiera hacerle frente, cualquier cosa menor a eso no es rival para vearn
Man if baran fought with vearn he can beat vearn if vearn is using his staff of edacity because it can drain his magic power and it weakens him wich means baran can stand a chance. However killvearn and mystvearn are there so he cant kill vearn.
Baran has no chance to win Fusion Vearn..he can beat old Vearn..that is acceptable...Dai with 2 dragon symbols + crazy spirit can beat Fusion Vearn...think what I say :)
Soi Fong and Yoruichi Shihouin VS Tokisaki Kurumi and Shalltear Bloodfallen. Later Soi Fong (Shunko) and Yoruichi (Shunko Raijin Senkei) Win. Music: Metal Cooler's Theme - DB Xenoverse 2, Brave - DB Raging Blast 2 & Solid State Scouter - Kurenai Kirio.
@@Omnisss Porque mientras Avan vencía a Hadler en la superficie, Baran vencía al Dragon Verza uno de los 3 mas fuertes del inframundo junto a Vearn. Vearn tenía miedo y respeto por Baran ademas de que aqui Vearn solo dispone de su cuerpo sabio y anciano sin su fuerza física. Y bueno a estas alturas del anime Dai es casi tan fuerte como Baran contra el cuerpo completo de Vearn,aunque aun le queda por mejorar
@@JUDOKATANOKA - Pero tengo entendido que Verza no era tan poderoso como Vearn actualmente, aún siendo el otro gobernante del inframundo. De Vearn se dice en el manga que (al menos en su forma verdadera) es más poderoso que los dioses que crearon el mundo y al Dragon Knight. Además, si no me equivoco, el Dai actual es más poderoso que Barán, sumado a que tiene los dos emblemas del dragón (el suyo y el de su padre, con parte de su poder y toda la experiencia de los Dragon Knight), y lucha en equipo + objetos de recuperación mientras que Vearn está sólo. Vearn tenía respeto por Barán por su poder, pero sobretodo porque temía el poder de los Dragon Knight, que con cada generación se hacían más poderosos. O eso creo recordar. Pero de Vearn ya se dice que su poder todavía no tenía parangón en los tres mundos, y dudo que Barán hubiese podido hacerle frente luchando en un 1 contra 1.
@@edwinoers Maybe.... or maybe not. Dragonoid Baran is comparable to Dragonoid Dai, maybe even a little stronger. It would be more of a coin toss, how much Baran can be damaged before overcoming Vearn ultimate defense.
@@Origami84 Comparable to Dragonoid Dai? Since when? Twin Crests Dai is stated to surpass Baran in every way, and was absolutely no match for young Vearn until he got Dragonoid.
@@KorenRedLotusThe best i can recall are Baran thinking Dai's power is close to his (in humanoid form) when they faced Hadler for the last time, or Vearn complimenting Dai on his strenght when he wasa offering him to join up. But a real comparison between the two has never happened. On the contrary, we have Baran stating that due to his mainly human blood Dai would never fully transform - which is exactly what happened. Dai's transformation is clearly incomplete, and arguably weaker.
@@Origami84 Dai cannot transform but does not need to. He could cast Doraura without transforming, something that is repeatedly stated before and after that no Dragon Knight ever could before. So the point is moot. Baran even says before dying that his son is a worthier Dragon Knight. Velzar does say that Dai is far from matching his father when Dai is broken by despair due to the imminent explosion of the Pillars of Vearn's Black Cores, yes. But Vearn mocks his hypocrisy and says point blank that Dai surpasses Baran in every way but rage. Baran stated that Dai was getting closer to him, but soon after Dai got effortlessly trashed by Vearn. Dai needed the Twin Crest to defeat Vearn, who explicitely calls him the mightiest being in the surface when he tries to convince him to join his ranks, and the only one he is worried about. Dai even note before the fight begins that contrary to their last meeting Vearn is nervous and going all out.
Realmente nunca vimos a baran en su máximo poder y al límite tomó un poco enserio la pelea contra hadler y le puso una paliza a mano limpia, el rey vearn pudo haber Sido vencido por hadler si samoera no lo hubiese salvado!!
Baran destroy many countries in base form,vearn can create world (planet) easy,baran drsgonoid easy destroy big continents.Baran dragonoid full power=planet+ and vearn base=multi continental,vearn third eye=planet+,vearn true form=star-large star+because he can create star.Dai is 12 years old and is Planetary-star level so if dai was 18-20 in future definitely is galaxy or higher.I hope one day dragon quest have new season in future and i hope Dai have adult form
You have no idea of what you are talking about. A planet is nothing compared to a star, none of the is large star level, but even if a star is nothing compare to a galaxy, dai not even close to that.
i disagree in his older form king vearn would lose easily in Dragonoid form Baran.In his younger form i Believe its debatable i will give it to Dark king Vearn in high difficulty
Vearn says it himself, Baran as a Dragonoid would have been a very dangerous enemy for him due to his battle instinct and impredictability, but certainly not enough. Dai could only fight his old self with the Twin Crest, and still needed a double Doraura to defeat him. Dai with the Twin Crests is explicitely stated to be superior to Baran in every domain, and even he was completely outmatched by Vearn in his rejuvenated state. And let's not even get started on the Sovereing Supreme, who surpassed even Dragonoid Dai. So no, Baran stands no chance. Best he could hope for is a victory against Vearn's old self, and that's not guaranteed. But Vearn is certain to wreck him as soon as he rejuvenates.
And here is the reason why baran cant beat vearn easily because vearn is stronger than the gods and the gods made the dragon knight so baran cant beat him easily unless vearn is using his staff of edacity and buy time to drain his magic power.
baran can easy win against old vearn, the fight against full power vearn would be very great and terrible, but at the end baran loose, it tooks dai and baran to win that, and not easily
竜魔人かした、バラン、カラミティーオールでやられるわけない!それぞれの神が作り出したのがバラン。
BGMがでかくてセリフが聞きづらい
Baran always had a good shot to win against vearn even in his young prime body I would say a good 35 % chance to catch him off guard and kill him that's why vearn was so wary to challenge him and used dirty trick to get rid of him he didn't want to take no gamble. Don't get me wrong vearn is still much more stronger than him but he was too afraid of the dragon knight battle experience and the unknown potential of the dragon crest.
I think he had a good chance to wipe him in his Dragonoid form vs Vearn's old form. Dai's base two crest can best old Vearn so im guessing Baran's Dragonoid form is close enough to that level to peak the fear
Vearn ko bao giờ thắng đc baran đâu bạn😊
the background music is drowning everything
Even Vern can't defeat Baran so the only way the writer resorted to was the Black Core because no one could defeat Baran
Not true Vearn at full power can beat Baran with mid diff.
@@Avocado_Ruler 늙은 번은 용마인 바란을 이길 수 없습니다.
본래의 젊은 육체로 싸워야 용마인 바란을 이길 수 있음.
@@Avocado_Ruler Hardly. Baran, full power and dragonoid, is on the same level of golem Vearn and semi-dragonoid Dai. It can be debated who is stronger than who, but the idea that Vearn could simply dismiss Baran is absurd. It would be interesting to see if Dragonoid Baran, by himself, could defeat the ultimate defense of Vearn though.
I love Baran as much as anyone, but the fan-wank has to stop. He could perhaps defeat Vearn's old self at great cost, but 4 times out of 10 at best. And even then, even Dai with the twin Crests was totally outmatched by Vearn's young self, so Baran would stand no chance.
The final boss in that kind of story is always the most powerful character till the hero reaches him. Baran could roast anyone but him. Period.
Baran could beat the old Vern but he couldn't beat Young Vern in his true Form.
This do be a sheesh moment!
هذا القتال كان بين داي وا باران . اما قتال فارن كان بينه وبين داي واصدقائه
バランは単純に竜魔人にはならないとおもいます
バランは戦い方が上手だし、老バーンでも呪文攻撃だけではではバランを倒せないと思います。
光魔の杖を出しても、闘いの遺伝子により、老バーンに対応した戦いができると思います。
In fact, Baran is the one who will defeat King Varen, even if the last is in his ideal form.. And the reasons are many:
First: Baran and Dai equlize when they fought each other because Baran put the human heart aside during the battle, and it is known that the dragon form of Baran combines the strength of the dragon, the cunning of the Demon and the feelings of humans during the fight.
Second: Baran did not find it difficult to defeat Haddler when he was in the the super demon form, because the first fought him using the three advantages mentioned above.. And Hadler would have been able to kill King Varen If Zapoera had not intervened then.
Third: If King Farn did not know for sure that he would not survive a confrontation with Baran, he would not have used the trick, I mean the black core, to kill Baran and avoid any confrontation with him.
Conclusion: Baran with his human heart and a dragon sword has the priority in eliminating King Farn with his own wand, but he certainly will not survive his mortal wounds..
Baran didn’t fight dark king. He sacrificed himself to contain the explosion and died.
Nonsense if not for them using Dai as a hostage. Baran himself can kick even young Vern's ass. Afterall he's the real dragon knight of that era. Strongest being.
Dai with twin Draconic crests is stated to be more powerful then Dragonoid Baran and it makes sense considering it’s Dai’s Draconic Crest + Baran’s Draconic Crest and Dai also gained besides Baran’s crest the knowledge and fighting experience of all dragon knights and I assume u saw the manga since u mentioned young Vearn?
But here’s a full explanation
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It’s stated by Vearn that Dai with the twin crests is stronger then Dragonoid Baran and it’s later stated that Dai was holding back the power of Baran’s Crest that he was only using 3.5 power out of 10 and using his crest at a 10 out of 10 so Dai holding back with the twin crests > Dragonoid Baran then after Vearn becomes young Dai uses both crests and full power and then puts them on his forehead where it’s stated the crest is at its strongest there and he merges both crests turning them into a Draconic Crown so now Dai >>> Dragonoid Baran cuz the Demon Dragon Blade is strong enough to endure Baran’s power but when Dai got the demon dragon blade and used it against Young Vearn who’s transformed into this giant beast by unleashing the max power of his 3rd eye Baran’s soul tells Dai that the Demon Dragon Blade will shatter since Dai is way to strong and Vearn is too strong Dai also can use Giga Strash which is far far superior to Giga Break so no Dai is indeed the strongest
Baran gave it his all and then some just to conceal a dark core explosion activated from a MINISCULE amount of Vearn's power. This has to be a joke right?
I love Baran as much as anyone, but the fan-wank has to stop. He could perhaps defeat Vearn's old self at great cost, but 4 times out of 10 at best. And even then, even Dai with the twin Crests was totally outmatched by Vearn's young self. Not to mention the Sovereing Supreme who took everything from Dai at his absolute mightiest to destroy, using a previously inflicted wound.
The final boss in that kind of story is always the most powerful character till the hero reaches him. Baran could roast anyone but Vearn. Period.
basically Ainz vs PDL from different perspective
if baran vs dark king vearn
Baran vencio a versa y su ejercito. vearn no pudo, creo que baran dragonoide vence a vearn aun muy muy sufridamente, en la serie vearn siempre le mostro respeto.
No realmente, se requirió de Fly con dos sellos de dragón en forma dragonoide para siquiera hacerle frente, cualquier cosa menor a eso no es rival para vearn
グダグダなのに、結構編集うまい…。
Man if baran fought with vearn he can beat vearn if vearn is using his staff of edacity because it can drain his magic power and it weakens him wich means baran can stand a chance. However killvearn and mystvearn are there so he cant kill vearn.
まあ、バランの方が強いけどね!
老バーン(光魔の杖)≧竜魔人バラン≧真竜ダイ≧真竜ハドラー≒冥竜王ヴェルザー≧雷竜ボリクス>老バーン(素手) やで。
バランの戦闘の遺伝子はどうした!?
超魔ハドラーのヘルズクロー以下の打撃はノーダメという竜バランの特性は凄いよ 上位扱いされる双竜ダイ老バーンだって同じように食らったらノーダメにはならないような
Baran has no chance to win Fusion Vearn..he can beat old Vearn..that is acceptable...Dai with 2 dragon symbols + crazy spirit can beat Fusion Vearn...think what I say :)
巴藍在打魔界的龍王維爾沙時才讓巴恩有空檔入侵地面,然而巴恩還是害怕巴藍強大的力量而不敢開戰選擇同盟,巴恩跟冥龍是上古時代的對手,冥龍連巴恩真身跟鬼眼的事都知道就可知道冥龍王跟鬼眼王巴恩同級,巴藍當然也能險勝鬼眼王巴恩,如果剛龍劍受損巴藍可能也會死,如果剛龍劍完好大概就是巴藍慘勝鬼眼王,然後再到奇蹟之泉療傷,老巴恩巴藍可能不用變身就能幹掉了(劍沒受傷的話)。打自己兒子當然有留力的,巴藍自己內心在交戰加上紋章力量共享。
Soi Fong and Yoruichi Shihouin VS Tokisaki Kurumi and Shalltear Bloodfallen.
Later
Soi Fong (Shunko) and Yoruichi (Shunko Raijin Senkei) Win.
Music: Metal Cooler's Theme - DB Xenoverse 2, Brave - DB Raging Blast 2 & Solid State Scouter - Kurenai Kirio.
竜魔人バランでさえ、老バーンには勝てない絶望感。
Uf Vearn no podría vencer a Baran y menos sin estar en su forma final
Es justo al revés.
@@Omnisss pues no
@@JUDOKATANOKA por?
@@Omnisss Porque mientras Avan vencía a Hadler en la superficie, Baran vencía al Dragon Verza uno de los 3 mas fuertes del inframundo junto a Vearn. Vearn tenía miedo y respeto por Baran ademas de que aqui Vearn solo dispone de su cuerpo sabio y anciano sin su fuerza física. Y bueno a estas alturas del anime Dai es casi tan fuerte como Baran contra el cuerpo completo de Vearn,aunque aun le queda por mejorar
@@JUDOKATANOKA - Pero tengo entendido que Verza no era tan poderoso como Vearn actualmente, aún siendo el otro gobernante del inframundo.
De Vearn se dice en el manga que (al menos en su forma verdadera) es más poderoso que los dioses que crearon el mundo y al Dragon Knight.
Además, si no me equivoco, el Dai actual es más poderoso que Barán, sumado a que tiene los dos emblemas del dragón (el suyo y el de su padre, con parte de su poder y toda la experiencia de los Dragon Knight), y lucha en equipo + objetos de recuperación mientras que Vearn está sólo.
Vearn tenía respeto por Barán por su poder, pero sobretodo porque temía el poder de los Dragon Knight, que con cada generación se hacían más poderosos. O eso creo recordar. Pero de Vearn ya se dice que su poder todavía no tenía parangón en los tres mundos, y dudo que Barán hubiese podido hacerle frente luchando en un 1 contra 1.
baran>>>>>>>>>> old vearn
baran> young vearn baran wins extreme difficulty
baran
Dragonoid Baran can defeat old Vearn without a doubt, but he will most likely lose against full power Vearn.
i agree
@@edwinoers Maybe.... or maybe not. Dragonoid Baran is comparable to Dragonoid Dai, maybe even a little stronger. It would be more of a coin toss, how much Baran can be damaged before overcoming Vearn ultimate defense.
@@Origami84 Comparable to Dragonoid Dai? Since when? Twin Crests Dai is stated to surpass Baran in every way, and was absolutely no match for young Vearn until he got Dragonoid.
@@KorenRedLotusThe best i can recall are Baran thinking Dai's power is close to his (in humanoid form) when they faced Hadler for the last time, or Vearn complimenting Dai on his strenght when he wasa offering him to join up. But a real comparison between the two has never happened. On the contrary, we have Baran stating that due to his mainly human blood Dai would never fully transform - which is exactly what happened. Dai's transformation is clearly incomplete, and arguably weaker.
@@Origami84 Dai cannot transform but does not need to. He could cast Doraura without transforming, something that is repeatedly stated before and after that no Dragon Knight ever could before. So the point is moot.
Baran even says before dying that his son is a worthier Dragon Knight.
Velzar does say that Dai is far from matching his father when Dai is broken by despair due to the imminent explosion of the Pillars of Vearn's Black Cores, yes. But Vearn mocks his hypocrisy and says point blank that Dai surpasses Baran in every way but rage.
Baran stated that Dai was getting closer to him, but soon after Dai got effortlessly trashed by Vearn.
Dai needed the Twin Crest to defeat Vearn, who explicitely calls him the mightiest being in the surface when he tries to convince him to join his ranks, and the only one he is worried about. Dai even note before the fight begins that contrary to their last meeting Vearn is nervous and going all out.
巴蘭不變身贏老巴恩,變身贏合體巴恩,龍魔人巴蘭和鬼眼王巴恩約55開,但還是龍魔人有戰鬥遺傳因子占上風。不變身巴蘭就可幹掉超魔生物巴特拉是鋼龍劍受損才失敗,而超魔生物巴特拉當時是可以幹掉老巴恩的。
BGMいりません
@Adam Productions- What If Fights is my request almost done?
Que anime é esse?
Dragon Quest Dai no daibouken( Fly o pequeno guerreiro)
Realmente nunca vimos a baran en su máximo poder y al límite tomó un poco enserio la pelea contra hadler y le puso una paliza a mano limpia, el rey vearn pudo haber Sido vencido por hadler si samoera no lo hubiese salvado!!
True, Baran beat Hadlar at full power with ease. Baran vs Vearn at full power will be a interesting fight.
is fake
老バーンのが優勢ではありそうだけどね。
真魔剛竜剣が折られる可能性、ドルオーラを防がれる可能性を考えると。ただ双紋章ダイみたいな立ち回りができれば勝てる可能性も
Celui donc j'aime beaucoup c'est miss verne il es solo j'aime le suspense
Baran is dead all ready
No is not a real episode
Ngay xua kim đồng dịch là dracubin 😂
Baran destroy many countries in base form,vearn can create world (planet) easy,baran drsgonoid easy destroy big continents.Baran dragonoid full power=planet+ and vearn base=multi continental,vearn third eye=planet+,vearn true form=star-large star+because he can create star.Dai is 12 years old and is Planetary-star level so if dai was 18-20 in future definitely is galaxy or higher.I hope one day dragon quest have new season in future and i hope Dai have adult form
You have no idea of what you are talking about. A planet is nothing compared to a star, none of the is large star level, but even if a star is nothing compare to a galaxy, dai not even close to that.
@@dagan8659 bro dai is 12 years and is Planetary-star level bro so if he was 18-20 how strong is he;
@@peterkap5338 you're speaking pure speculation bro come on
De que anime son los dos ?
لماذا لا توجد لها ترجمة باللغة العربية ؟؟؟
Baran fight dai and hadler not king vern 😏😏
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what a shame of video, paste 2 fights and make for it a tittle its useless my friends, you would find another way to cathering views
音がうるさい
Pero fly lo vengara 😎🤘
جد ممتاز
Baran 💪
Dark king vearn dead
اي جزء
نفسه عملوا ري ميك له
امين ترجم لينا خويا
I'm after King Vearn! Vearn would crush Baran even in his older form
i disagree in his older form king vearn would lose easily in Dragonoid form Baran.In his younger form i Believe its debatable i will give it to Dark king Vearn in high difficulty
老バーンには勝つやろ
その後の真バーンは無理だけど
Becuse of dadoraaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Vearn says it himself, Baran as a Dragonoid would have been a very dangerous enemy for him due to his battle instinct and impredictability, but certainly not enough. Dai could only fight his old self with the Twin Crest, and still needed a double Doraura to defeat him.
Dai with the Twin Crests is explicitely stated to be superior to Baran in every domain, and even he was completely outmatched by Vearn in his rejuvenated state. And let's not even get started on the Sovereing Supreme, who surpassed even Dragonoid Dai.
So no, Baran stands no chance. Best he could hope for is a victory against Vearn's old self, and that's not guaranteed. But Vearn is certain to wreck him as soon as he rejuvenates.
And here is the reason why baran cant beat vearn easily because vearn is stronger than the gods and the gods made the dragon knight so baran cant beat him easily unless vearn is using his staff of edacity and buy time to drain his magic power.
baran can easy win against old vearn, the fight against full power vearn would be very great and terrible, but at the end baran loose, it tooks dai and baran to win that, and not easily
Ghép cũng hay đó
De dadora is so much power fullllll
And that's the most cringey show i've every watched smh
Para la otra quita la pinche música qué molesta
Wow what with this shitty.amv ? It remind me of the old era pre 2008 when internet was rare