Andy Martinez I mean one of his biggest tracks (Bank Account) was produced by himself so it might have been possible for him to blow up without metro, but metro certainly helped a lot
SilverFlare no dawg. He made bank account when he already had a fan base. We talking about songs that made him blow up. Songs like "no heart" there's more songs but that's one I know off the top of my head that Metro produced that blew up.
Bruh I would luv to see producers unite and go on strike bruh wouldnt even take long give it a few months with no heat coming out rappers would he paying for they beat up front like ima get the lable to reimburse me and that's how I feel your gonna pay me to can be the one running tryna not to get screwed i did my job and delivered the heat
King Devon Why should a producer get paid as much as a song writer? because now a days the beats are doing 90% of the Work in these songs without them these rappers sound like trash
Xxl should make a list for producers n gain them more fame kuz these producers are really helping these rappers. Most of these rappers wouldn't be shit without the producers
bruh it even made sense when producers made simple ass beats to not be paid enough like when rap was at its prime but now every rapper just says 3 words that go with the distorted bass of the song (cough cough lil pump cough cough )
this is something that needs to happen. As a guy who just raps for fun, I think producers need more safety and security in the industry because there's just no rap song without the producer.
albron_albron y’all still sleeping on wavdreammusicgroup.beatstars.com & Zaytoveen or Cash Clay and C note , Can’t not mention Chop Squad either & metro is a pop culture legend , (POP CULTURE) but acknowledged well in hip hop the dude is responsible for the greatest hits of 2017 -2019 n mike will made still out here so wtf y’all on , sample or not it takes time to perfect a great master track off a simple sample to make a hit
Free beats are necessary in getting off the ground and keeping positive relations with others in the industry. That's facts, u gotta give free beats every so often
You mean 50% of Writing and Composing the song? Beat Making is Songwriting. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer. *PRODUCER=DIRECTOR* *SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
@@eman0828Those are exceptions. Majority of the time, the producer does all the work and heavylifting, including composition, songwriting, (production process) beatmaking, vocal cleanup, mixing, mastering, and everything in between. The producers make tons of beats, most of them go unused, and the singer picks one and sings/raps over it, and then the producer add all the vocal effects and cleanup/m&m. The artist basically just creates lyrics and performs dry vocals and adlibs. That's it.
Complex Ez u can’t have a rap song without lyrics what the hell Is going on in your brain 😂 u can have a rap song without a beat as long as the artist has good lyricism to keep u interested Listening to a beat on its own is like listening to classical music
You mean track makers? Beat Making is Songwriting as you are basically writing and composing half the song the *MUSIC(Beat)* and the Lyricist top-lines the Music that writes the *LYRICS(Words).* That's a 50/50 split between two Co-Writers that wrote an entire song together with Music and Lyrics combined. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer. *PRODUCER=DIRECTOR* *SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
Get yours. I'd say we're all probably better off developing alongside a singular artist, and coming up with them. Like 40 and Drake. Or working with a small group of people that you believe in. Be exclusive. If you're that good- don't associate your name with people who aren't.
It really just depends on which artist and/or label hit you up. We have to remember that most Record Labels and Artists are actually businesses. Which means that their primary goal is to make a profit. If that means they have to screw you over, then they won't think twice. Remember the guy "Menace" who produced Desiigner's Panda? When last did we hear from him? Even though he had his 15 minutes of fame from the "Prod. by Menace" title. I'd rather have a sustainable career than one that dies because of impatience. With that said, I definitely see where you're coming from and I'm not disagreeing- we should all take our shots- but business is business and we need to be good businessmen and women.
MISTA FRANKFERTA no doubt bro. I'm with you there. But I think it's important that as producers (who are artists) we value the art above anything else.
I just recently got fl studio and I truly have no experience but learning to master beats is hard af and those producers need credit maybe more than the actual artist sometimes
Great vid Genius, its time for creative people (especially producers) to get the money and credit the deserve. creatives want to create, but they gotta eat too. #NoMoreFreebies2018
The producer's job is much MUCH harder than the rapper's. All a rapper has to do is to ask for a beat of "this-this" type. Now the producer does all the stuff. Then the rapper raps, and producer mixes that, does all the work and still does not get paid or recognized. This fucking sucks. And I am a producer aswell, I know it all.
A Record Producer's main objective is to see the creation of the finished record all the way through all the way down to the mix. Real Record Producer's enter In legal binding *Producer Agreements* which I find it hard to believe why wouldn't a Producer wouldn't get paid. I have a 14 page Producer Agreement with a Record Company myself that states the Producer's Advances that recoupable against Points on an Album. The Points comes out of the Artist record royalties from thier 360 / Recording Agreement. The contract also states the Recording Budgets as the Producer is acutally paying themselves out of the Recording Budget as an *All-in* deal. The Record Company sends 50% of the funds to the Producer on commencement of the Recording Sessions and the other 50% upon completion of the Master Recording turned in to the A&R. The Producer has to pay every one else involved in the creation of the record as they have to Make Union Scale payments to session Musicans that are part of the Union, pay the Recording Engineer etc. All of that comes out of the Recording budget.
Get a copy of the book: All you need to know about the music business - Donald S. Passman And when its time to actually sign, still have a lawyer look over the contract. So you don't get fucked with the "fine print" & loopholes.
resnik hit us with the parameter fades: - what am i getting paid up front? - what is the rate of royalty? - what is my credit? - what is my publishing interest? - what is the rate of my publishing? protect yourselves out there
You're absolutely right. But the fact is, if you want to be launched in the industry and live for your passion, you have to make concessions and be generic. And only after you're known, you can express your own style. It's sad but the industry works like that nowadays...
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and we still have a need to address this issue to most rappers and producers, you have the internet, do your fucking research before doing anything else, it’s like they never fucking learned from the past artists mistakes.
If you make your own beats, do your own raps, and put it on all stores as albums or mixtapes yourself or just make music with friends and split all the money then do you need to like get a publisher and everything
Why can I only every find videos telling producers how to get there money, but none telling independent artists how to pay their producers royalty and when.
Payment should be discussed and defined at least twice, during inquiry to have a foundation both parties can agree on and after the song is made (before release) to re-evaluate the effort both parties put into the project/track. Makes it more communicative for everyone.
Don’t sign with a label, rappers or producers, they offer you a hefty advance up front but you don’t pay attention to the implications of who’s making the profits from your song becoming popular. In this day and age with social media and the ability for anybody to produce professional sounding music without needing to spend a fortune on equipment, the former need of labels to promote and finance your music making isn’t needed. I don’t need to mention all the independent artists who became popular through the internet.
One of the best client I had told me he will pay twice as much as I offered because he appreciated my beats, and then said I should genuinely raise my base price higher because it’s worth it AND hooked me up with other clients.
Honestly, why do record labels not pay the person that's responsible for 70% of why people like these artists? (For some artists 100%, trap is honestly just for the beats most of the time)
Yes, there is no artist in general that could make it without the correct production, but the production isn't the only thing that makes the song. Rap is a vocal genre, meaning what the artist is saying and how they say it matters, and when you spew mumbling nonsense in a genre built upon lyricism, then you might as well have left the beat as an instrumental.
If you really want to make it as a producer you still have to produce a popular rapper or be a good rapper yourself, and I know that from personal experience and observation. It may be easy to sell a beat online but if you want to be Metro Boomin you have to have somebody like Future to rap on your track, or you have to be like Kanye and make your beats noticed through making songs.
You mean 50% of Writing and Composing the song? Beat Making is Songwriting. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's that Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. A real Producer works and colobrates with the Artist in the studio calling the shots. P-Diddy is also a Producer and he doesn't make beats as you see him all the time in the studio while the artist is in the vocal booth and Diddy sitting behind the mixing board talking through a Talk back monitor calling the shots telling the artist to rap or sing a certian way. Thats a Producer! That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer. *PRODUCER=DIRECTOR* *SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
Great breakdown. I produce, write, record, mix, master, and publish my own tunes. So i dont have to depend on label money other than promotions. Distribution, well, doesnt exist much anymore. They replaced fye with a dog adoption center in our mall lol
If TM gets paid then the actual original producer that he stole the beat from should get paid too. I'm can't feel bad for someone not getting paid when they do stuff like that.
An advance is not a loan and doesn't have to be paid back. It indeed is recoupable, which means you only will get royalties from the point on when the label has made the money they paid you *in advance* back through sales; but in a situation were sales, streams etc. are not enough to recoup the money you already got paid, you do NOT have to pay it back like it would be with a loan.
i got my first producer placement 4 years ago through stonesthrow records. i didn't get paid anything up front for it though i did get my name in the album credits...i was very frustrated but i realize that that's just the business. from now on, i charge artists, for beats up front for a small fee and half my publishing. we producers gotta create a union.
These steps are useless for 99.9% of the people who will watch this...as most of this goes out the window, when the opportunity presents itself. Basically..."don't do it" is the answer if you're trying to do it right on a labels dime, they will find someone else who does it nearly for free. It's the state of the system...not general lack of business savvy
These producers should reach out to the AFM for help. Many producers are protected under the AFM SRLA but unfortunately they don't know that. It's like an industry secret.
Beat Makers Don't classify as real *Record Producers*. Beat Making falls under the SongwritIng umbrella as the Composer as beat Making alone doesn't make you a Producer. Two entirely different roles. Unlike Rodney Jerkins, Pharrell Williams or Timbaland, those guys are real Record Producer's like Quincy Jones as they are basically a Hybrid type of Record Producer that's wearing two hats as the Composer that makes the beat and Traditional Record Producer role when they are in the studio collaborating with the Vocalist and Engineer that sees the whole thing or the finished record from A to Z. Record Producer's generally make union scale payments when they hire session Musicans and Arrangers that comes out of the Recording Budget funds.
@@erickcruz194 The problem is these so called "beat maker" producers are signing to an odd type of deal with a label that are signed like an Artist label roaster as exclusively as *In-house* which is quite strange as the Label takes a cut. They can only make and sell beats only exclusively in-house to the label rosters. They call them Production Deals but not sure why they call it a Production deal. Thats why beat makers are getting screwed by the labels. But really a Production Deal is when a *Record Producer* signs an Artist into a demo deal with a Production Company. The Producer's job is to shop is to develop the artist and shop their demos to a Record Company to secure a Recording Agreement or distribution deal for an Artist and the Producer gets a commison and Record points. Real Producer's don't get signed labels. They are hired by Signed Artists via *Producer Agreement* as most of them are freelancers while some run their own, studios, Label imprints such as Timothy Mosley Group by Timbaland, Production Companies such as RedZone Entertianment by Tricky Stewart or Labels such as Beluga Heights by J.R Rotem.
It's because these aren't Producer's, they are just a bunch of track makers. A real Producer works in a recording studio producing entire records that collaborates with the Artist and Engineer. They oversee the whole thing all the way down to the mix stage and the label pays them their advances plus "Point's" a percentage of Artist record royalties.
Producers... your BRAND and your leverage are the only insurance you have in this game... don't expect your bread and butter to be streaming money... build you brand independently of any rapper and use any momentum or attention as leverage to monetize in "non-stream" ways... ie: DJ'ing, ghost producing, mixing/ mastering, sponsorships, etc
Some of the artist either didn't get the contract thoroughly,resulting to some screwed situation such as these.Atlantic record is the most profiting to artist compared to Sony Music or UMG yet have really difficult ways to giving you the cash.
When you guys say "take a smaller advance" I disagree because I've learned that as an artist/producer you want to take as much money as you can, especially in advance. Even though you have to reimburse that through record sales, you would be getting more up front rather than waiting each quarter for a royalty check which is going to come either way. Especially if you are signed under a 360 deal, you definitely want to take a bigger advance.
Depends on the producer they could be designing the sounds, composing the melodies, chords, basslines and drums, arranging them, mixing them after, then mastering them and still ppl think 50/50 split is unfair
Producers run this. We need to be smarter with our business. Don't give away shit for free. Publicity doesn't pay the bills. If you give em something for free, have them sign an agreement saying you own 100% of everything.
Man, I agree producers should get paid, but some of these producers want 10K to make some little basic ass best on FL Studio. Especially a lot of these trap beats that sound the same. Producers back in the day like Timbaland, Swizz Beats, even Stevie J we’re musicians. A lot of these new producers just gave time on their hands.
producers be the reason why hella of these artists are poppin. Should be getting paid the same amount as the rapper tbh
light saran Yup. Im still convinced without metroboomin, 21 savage would be a nobody.
Andy Martinez I mean one of his biggest tracks (Bank Account) was produced by himself so it might have been possible for him to blow up without metro, but metro certainly helped a lot
21 savage produces his own beat sometimes
SilverFlare Metro helped him
SilverFlare no dawg. He made bank account when he already had a fan base. We talking about songs that made him blow up.
Songs like "no heart" there's more songs but that's one I know off the top of my head that Metro produced that blew up.
These record labels shady af.
Cucci Mane industry rule #4080 coming back into play in 2017-18
I swear I've seen you somewhere else??
Cucci Mane Staple gun
King Weezy Same i see him every were
sultan hanga Damn.
Producers been saving the industry and get no respect. Time for a change.
Matt Lane música hipana
Amen!
Bruh I would luv to see producers unite and go on strike bruh wouldnt even take long give it a few months with no heat coming out rappers would he paying for they beat up front like ima get the lable to reimburse me and that's how I feel your gonna pay me to can be the one running tryna not to get screwed i did my job and delivered the heat
Tbh the producers should get paid same as artist
*Word up* Along w ghostwriters💯
Nooo, should get paid the same as Songwriters
It's what It is why should they get paid as much as a songwriter?
King Devon Why should a producer get paid as much as a song writer? because now a days the beats are doing 90% of the Work in these songs without them these rappers sound like trash
a lot of producers write the songs
Xxl should make a list for producers n gain them more fame kuz these producers are really helping these rappers. Most of these rappers wouldn't be shit without the producers
Scooby. 323 that’s actually a fucking good idea
bruh it even made sense when producers made simple ass beats to not be paid enough like when rap was at its prime but now every rapper just says 3 words that go with the distorted bass of the song (cough cough lil pump cough cough )
Some rappers make their own beats though
you mean all xdxd
genius giving so much love to us producers. Thank you for that! Lets make the next years the years of producers!
andrea Bailot All of us producers make music, whether its reggae, trap, funk, punk its all about the music, now fuck off lmao
this is something that needs to happen. As a guy who just raps for fun, I think producers need more safety and security in the industry because there's just no rap song without the producer.
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We should start by dropping the "Buy 1 beat and get 100 free" bullshit
Beats By Zimzala *Check out my latest beat an tell me what you think , it would mean a lot for me 🙏🏽*
Bruh better *Pay TM88* 🐐 one of the coolest producers rn🔥🔥
Kung-Fu Kenny Family pierre or metro
Him and JW Lucas
Kung-Fu Kenny Family *Check out my latest beat an tell me what you think , it would mean a lot for me 🙏🏽*
lol if you knew all he does is steal melodies/beats him, sonny digital, south side, and the shadiest one of them all... metro boomin
albron_albron y’all still sleeping on wavdreammusicgroup.beatstars.com & Zaytoveen or Cash Clay and C note , Can’t not mention Chop Squad either & metro is a pop culture legend , (POP CULTURE) but acknowledged well in hip hop the dude is responsible for the greatest hits of 2017 -2019 n mike will made still out here so wtf y’all on , sample or not it takes time to perfect a great master track off a simple sample to make a hit
Year of the producers!
hell yes
TRUE
Yee!
Hopefully
💯✊🏽
Thanks for shining light on us producers #NoFreeBeats2018
broo culd u listen to my new beat lemme know whasu ruclips.net/video/1W36roBhxJQ/видео.html
Exactly. And being signed to yourself you know you won't get screwed over.
Ocean ur not a producer 🤣🤣🤣
@@angelingameb6513 he at 123k subs now though
Free beats are necessary in getting off the ground and keeping positive relations with others in the industry. That's facts, u gotta give free beats every so often
Thanks for covering our E. Dan interview, Genius 💪🏽 #RespectTheProducer
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Yess 🙏🙏
TM88 ❤❤❤🔥🔥
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO THOUGHT HE WAS SO CUTE
Galaxima nintendo?
G yeah bro everytime i see Tm88’s name i think about pokemon.... the old days
Don't forget about JW Lucas who also produced XO tour life
Trap Life *Check out my latest beat an tell me what you think , it would mean a lot for me 🙏🏽*
Finally! Thanks genius. 2018 producer's year! Lets go producer brother's!!!
Right on🤘
Hell yeehh bihhh🤟🏽🤟🏽🔥🔥
Hell yeah
Ho2xy *Check out my latest beat an tell me what you think , it would mean a lot for me 🙏🏽*
I want to see a song produced by Ho2xy on the radio. This is our year bro
I can see not getting as much if you're like a brand new producer, but people on the level of TM88 not getting paid?? that's insane
Makes me nervous af
ikr? I don't wanna get taken advantage of
Fact yo
Lawyer up bro
@@2BTO fr though!
Producers we better start treating ourselves like artists now
The production makes up like 70% of the song. It nearly does all the work, these guys need the recogniton they deserve now
You mean 50% of Writing and Composing the song? Beat Making is Songwriting. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer.
*PRODUCER=DIRECTOR*
*SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
@@eman0828Those are exceptions. Majority of the time, the producer does all the work and heavylifting, including composition, songwriting, (production process) beatmaking, vocal cleanup, mixing, mastering, and everything in between. The producers make tons of beats, most of them go unused, and the singer picks one and sings/raps over it, and then the producer add all the vocal effects and cleanup/m&m. The artist basically just creates lyrics and performs dry vocals and adlibs. That's it.
Bonus rule: dont work with playboi carti.
Lmao
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Pierre finna come out n pull up on ya🔫
AquaXan you saying that like Pierre not eating lmao
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man im so glad you finally approach this topic. MUSIC CAN'T BE MADE WHITHOUT PRODUCERS, PUT SOME RESPECT ON EM.
Complex Ez u can’t have a rap song without lyrics what the hell Is going on in your brain 😂 u can have a rap song without a beat as long as the artist has good lyricism to keep u interested
Listening to a beat on its own is like listening to classical music
You mean track makers? Beat Making is Songwriting as you are basically writing and composing half the song the *MUSIC(Beat)* and the Lyricist top-lines the Music that writes the *LYRICS(Words).* That's a 50/50 split between two Co-Writers that wrote an entire song together with Music and Lyrics combined. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer.
*PRODUCER=DIRECTOR*
*SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
The thing that are making songs better are the producers and their dope ass beats
Get yours. I'd say we're all probably better off developing alongside a singular artist, and coming up with them. Like 40 and Drake. Or working with a small group of people that you believe in. Be exclusive. If you're that good- don't associate your name with people who aren't.
It really just depends on which artist and/or label hit you up. We have to remember that most Record Labels and Artists are actually businesses. Which means that their primary goal is to make a profit. If that means they have to screw you over, then they won't think twice. Remember the guy "Menace" who produced Desiigner's Panda? When last did we hear from him? Even though he had his 15 minutes of fame from the "Prod. by Menace" title. I'd rather have a sustainable career than one that dies because of impatience. With that said, I definitely see where you're coming from and I'm not disagreeing- we should all take our shots- but business is business and we need to be good businessmen and women.
MISTA FRANKFERTA no doubt bro. I'm with you there. But I think it's important that as producers (who are artists) we value the art above anything else.
I wouldn't put my desperation to succeed above my business. If it's a bad business move then it's probably not gonna be a successful move
This is truth 💯
MISTA FRANKFERTA facts bro i just want to see my name and be recognized for the work and create a hot buzz
Producers need more credit we work so hard
I don't work very hard tbh unless I'm making a fire beat. That's when my mind is running a lot
Quaye The Producer amen!
I just recently got fl studio and I truly have no experience but learning to master beats is hard af and those producers need credit maybe more than the actual artist sometimes
"We"
Armin Stuff ?
The 4 dislikes must be from 4 different record labels.
:'))))
Someone needs to pay our boy TM88 NOW! It's already bad enough most producers don't even get recognized for what they do...
he kinda stole the beat tho
MUSIC PRODUCER SHOULD GET THEIR MONEYYYYYYYY NO MATTER WHAT !
Yup
As a fellow producer, I thank you for this video.
This is dope & very informational. Although, this is only for producers working with big time artists. What about the indies??
Genius ain't switched up since they was Rap Genius. Videos like this is why they are the best hip hop outlet...
Great vid Genius, its time for creative people (especially producers) to get the money and credit the deserve. creatives want to create, but they gotta eat too. #NoMoreFreebies2018
agreed
So Genius has basically taken Complex's spot
77tele updates
As I read this the video said the word complex and that's cool I guess
Lol Tribe at the end, nice touch
thought so too
I'm a learning 16. year old producer from the UK and I feel this was really helpful. Thanks genius!
free beats on mine too - im tryna grow the subs
The producer's job is much MUCH harder than the rapper's. All a rapper has to do is to ask for a beat of "this-this" type. Now the producer does all the stuff. Then the rapper raps, and producer mixes that, does all the work and still does not get paid or recognized. This fucking sucks. And I am a producer aswell, I know it all.
A Record Producer's main objective is to see the creation of the finished record all the way through all the way down to the mix. Real Record Producer's enter In legal binding *Producer Agreements* which I find it hard to believe why wouldn't a Producer wouldn't get paid. I have a 14 page Producer Agreement with a Record Company myself that states the Producer's Advances that recoupable against Points on an Album. The Points comes out of the Artist record royalties from thier 360 / Recording Agreement. The contract also states the Recording Budgets as the Producer is acutally paying themselves out of the Recording Budget as an *All-in* deal. The Record Company sends 50% of the funds to the Producer on commencement of the Recording Sessions and the other 50% upon completion of the Master Recording turned in to the A&R. The Producer has to pay every one else involved in the creation of the record as they have to Make Union Scale payments to session Musicans that are part of the Union, pay the Recording Engineer etc. All of that comes out of the Recording budget.
Get a copy of the book:
All you need to know about the music business - Donald S. Passman
And when its time to actually sign, still have a lawyer look over the contract.
So you don't get fucked with the "fine print" & loopholes.
Producers are underrated
If the beat is trash even if the vocals are fire, the whole song is trash
Facts bro big big facts. And if the beat is good and the vocals are trash the song is still good “Gucci gang”
Genius the plug
How about making sure you get paid first before you step foot in the studio? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Conclusion: Don't sign to labels.
SilverFlare that is so not what I want to do!!!
Literally you're breaking this down perfectly
resnik hit us with the parameter fades:
- what am i getting paid up front?
- what is the rate of royalty?
- what is my credit?
- what is my publishing interest?
- what is the rate of my publishing?
protect yourselves out there
new school rappers arn't shit without producers. Really the producers should be making much more
Producers are like school teachers lmaooo
SomeGuy hell yeah dont get why they dont
there are lots of rappers that produce themselves
Producers are the reason all these rappers songs are🔥
The size of the advance shouldn't matter if the song is successful. You'll make the same amount.
We have to be recognised as much as the rappers, the beat is very important in the success of a song 😌
GREENWIE5EL Its not just important, its the core of the song imo. Without producers most rappers would be broke right now.
You're absolutely right. But the fact is, if you want to be launched in the industry and live for your passion, you have to make concessions and be generic. And only after you're known, you can express your own style. It's sad but the industry works like that nowadays...
I can’t believe it’s 2018 and we still have a need to address this issue to most rappers and producers, you have the internet, do your fucking research before doing anything else, it’s like they never fucking learned from the past artists mistakes.
Love the tribe cameo & outro
If you make your own beats, do your own raps, and put it on all stores as albums or mixtapes yourself or just make music with friends and split all the money then do you need to like get a publisher and everything
daadyjd i rap over my own beats, self made 🌟
All we do.
yes, register your songs with ascap or bmi, every time your song is played or streamed online, you get royalties for that.
Why can I only every find videos telling producers how to get there money, but none telling independent artists how to pay their producers royalty and when.
Thank god fraizer didn't cover this story😁
Great vid!
This was very informative & a dope video! Thank you for continuing to bring this to light. So much in this short video.
Xotourlif3 came out on his "mixtape" luv is rage 1.5 including songs such as Luv scars k.o 1600 and YSL, Before it was on luv is rage 2
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Payment should be discussed and defined at least twice, during inquiry to have a foundation both parties can agree on and after the song is made (before release) to re-evaluate the effort both parties put into the project/track. Makes it more communicative for everyone.
thanks for the advice for real!
Thanks so much honestly. This info came at a perfect time 👌
Super cool you guys made this video. I bet this’ll be super helpful to some producers out there
No product leaves the store unless you put money in the register. We account/create at least 80% of the music industry, the backbone of entertainment
we producers are just as important as the artist themselves
Preach 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 thanks genius 🐐💯💯
Don’t sign with a label, rappers or producers, they offer you a hefty advance up front but you don’t pay attention to the implications of who’s making the profits from your song becoming popular. In this day and age with social media and the ability for anybody to produce professional sounding music without needing to spend a fortune on equipment, the former need of labels to promote and finance your music making isn’t needed. I don’t need to mention all the independent artists who became popular through the internet.
One of the best client I had told me he will pay twice as much as I offered because he appreciated my beats, and then said I should genuinely raise my base price higher because it’s worth it AND hooked me up with other clients.
Honestly, why do record labels not pay the person that's responsible for 70% of why people like these artists? (For some artists 100%, trap is honestly just for the beats most of the time)
Yes, there is no artist in general that could make it without the correct production, but the production isn't the only thing that makes the song. Rap is a vocal genre, meaning what the artist is saying and how they say it matters, and when you spew mumbling nonsense in a genre built upon lyricism, then you might as well have left the beat as an instrumental.
If you really want to make it as a producer you still have to produce a popular rapper or be a good rapper yourself, and I know that from personal experience and observation. It may be easy to sell a beat online but if you want to be Metro Boomin you have to have somebody like Future to rap on your track, or you have to be like Kanye and make your beats noticed through making songs.
You mean 50% of Writing and Composing the song? Beat Making is Songwriting. Producing is directing and overseeing the overall production and recording all the way down to the mix process. Two entirely different things. Timbaland, Scott Storch, Dre, and Pharrell Williams are tradtional Record Producer's that Co-Writes the music as they are wearing two hats as a Producer and a Songwriter. That's why they get Songwriting and Production credits for both roles as they don't just sit on their asses all day and just make beats. A real Producer works and colobrates with the Artist in the studio calling the shots. P-Diddy is also a Producer and he doesn't make beats as you see him all the time in the studio while the artist is in the vocal booth and Diddy sitting behind the mixing board talking through a Talk back monitor calling the shots telling the artist to rap or sing a certian way. Thats a Producer! That's the difference between a Beat Maker and a Producer.
*PRODUCER=DIRECTOR*
*SONGWRITER=BEAT MAKER/LYRICIST*
this had to come to light. thx genius
As a small producer IM LOVING THIS VIDEOS
Great breakdown. I produce, write, record, mix, master, and publish my own tunes. So i dont have to depend on label money other than promotions. Distribution, well, doesnt exist much anymore. They replaced fye with a dog adoption center in our mall lol
Thanks. Good information!
Create your own Label
Some great advice for us producers! Thanks & keep up the producer profile videos :)
Kept thinking the red Polo logo was something stuck on my screen (watching in portrait mode)
If TM gets paid then the actual original producer that he stole the beat from should get paid too. I'm can't feel bad for someone not getting paid when they do stuff like that.
Great info, had to listen at .75x speed tho, my guy speaks fast AF.
Where can I get a lawyer/publisher that specializes in the music industry with out completely breaking the bank?
An advance is not a loan and doesn't have to be paid back. It indeed is recoupable, which means you only will get royalties from the point on when the label has made the money they paid you *in advance* back through sales; but in a situation were sales, streams etc. are not enough to recoup the money you already got paid, you do NOT have to pay it back like it would be with a loan.
i got my first producer placement 4 years ago through stonesthrow records. i didn't get paid anything up front for it though i did get my name in the album credits...i was very frustrated but i realize that that's just the business. from now on, i charge artists, for beats up front for a small fee and half my publishing. we producers gotta create a union.
Genius is out here dropping knowledge. Salute.
if u press the 9 key on pc, it sounds like a hi-hat
These steps are useless for 99.9% of the people who will watch this...as most of this goes out the window, when the opportunity presents itself. Basically..."don't do it" is the answer if you're trying to do it right on a labels dime, they will find someone else who does it nearly for free. It's the state of the system...not general lack of business savvy
These producers should reach out to the AFM for help. Many producers are protected under the AFM SRLA but unfortunately they don't know that. It's like an industry secret.
Beat Makers Don't classify as real *Record Producers*. Beat Making falls under the SongwritIng umbrella as the Composer as beat Making alone doesn't make you a Producer. Two entirely different roles. Unlike Rodney Jerkins, Pharrell Williams or Timbaland, those guys are real Record Producer's like Quincy Jones as they are basically a Hybrid type of Record Producer that's wearing two hats as the Composer that makes the beat and Traditional Record Producer role when they are in the studio collaborating with the Vocalist and Engineer that sees the whole thing or the finished record from A to Z. Record Producer's generally make union scale payments when they hire session Musicans and Arrangers that comes out of the Recording Budget funds.
@@eman0828 Yeah but they also fall under the AFM umbrella and can get help there. I've gotten 1K - 20K plus for beat makers justing using the AFM.
@@erickcruz194 The problem is these so called "beat maker" producers are signing to an odd type of deal with a label that are signed like an Artist label roaster as exclusively as *In-house* which is quite strange as the Label takes a cut. They can only make and sell beats only exclusively in-house to the label rosters. They call them Production Deals but not sure why they call it a Production deal. Thats why beat makers are getting screwed by the labels. But really a Production Deal is when a *Record Producer* signs an Artist into a demo deal with a Production Company. The Producer's job is to shop is to develop the artist and shop their demos to a Record Company to secure a Recording Agreement or distribution deal for an Artist and the Producer gets a commison and Record points. Real Producer's don't get signed labels. They are hired by Signed Artists via *Producer Agreement* as most of them are freelancers while some run their own, studios, Label imprints such as Timothy Mosley Group by Timbaland, Production Companies such as RedZone Entertianment by Tricky Stewart or Labels such as Beluga Heights by J.R Rotem.
Some TCQ love at the end. I like it
DROP QUEENS VIDEO‼️
the very 1st thing i feel is the beat!! then the words come 2nd but that’s for me!! is it just me who feels that way??
2K18 OUR YEAR. This the year of the producer
great content... thank you
Now I got to go listen to check the rhyme by Tribe Called Quest LOL thanks a lot genius music
Thanks for making this video GENIUS. People need more insight on how producers work and how they get paid.
The beat is just as important if not more important than the lyrics. Fucked up how they're doing producers these days.
It's because these aren't Producer's, they are just a bunch of track makers. A real Producer works in a recording studio producing entire records that collaborates with the Artist and Engineer. They oversee the whole thing all the way down to the mix stage and the label pays them their advances plus "Point's" a percentage of Artist record royalties.
Producers... your BRAND and your leverage are the only insurance you have in this game... don't expect your bread and butter to be streaming money... build you brand independently of any rapper and use any momentum or attention as leverage to monetize in "non-stream" ways... ie: DJ'ing, ghost producing, mixing/ mastering, sponsorships, etc
Some of the artist either didn't get the contract thoroughly,resulting to some screwed situation such as these.Atlantic record is the most profiting to artist compared to Sony Music or UMG yet have really difficult ways to giving you the cash.
great video...great content...i learn some
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Great vid 🏁🏁
When you guys say "take a smaller advance" I disagree because I've learned that as an artist/producer you want to take as much money as you can, especially in advance. Even though you have to reimburse that through record sales, you would be getting more up front rather than waiting each quarter for a royalty check which is going to come either way. Especially if you are signed under a 360 deal, you definitely want to take a bigger advance.
Depends on the producer they could be designing the sounds, composing the melodies, chords, basslines and drums, arranging them, mixing them after, then mastering them and still ppl think 50/50 split is unfair
Waiting for Queen’s video 🙂🤟🏾
Producers are more important then the artist it self “ They make the Track come to life
Producers run this. We need to be smarter with our business. Don't give away shit for free. Publicity doesn't pay the bills. If you give em something for free, have them sign an agreement saying you own 100% of everything.
Man, I agree producers should get paid, but some of these producers want 10K to make some little basic ass best on FL Studio. Especially a lot of these trap beats that sound the same. Producers back in the day like Timbaland, Swizz Beats, even Stevie J we’re musicians. A lot of these new producers just gave time on their hands.
Can yall do one for concert photographers?
genius are real ones, thanks for all the videos. i appreciate how you ppl are rly working for the culture
Bout time people started respecting producers, rappers would literally be nothing without us 🔥🔌
Honestly speaking, most main stream songs are only hits because of the production. The beats make the artist