Leviticus25:44-46 tells you to buy your slaves from the nations around you, that you can own them as property for life and pass them onto your children as inheritance. Exodus21:20-21 tells you how bad slaves could be beaten.
@@realzay21 It's pretty clear. Leviticus25 44-46 clearly tells the Israelites to buy their slaves from the nation's around them, they can own them as property for life and pass them onto their children as inheritance. Exodus21:20-21 tells them how bad they could beat their slaves. As long as the slave recovered from the beating in a day or two, the owner wasn't punished since the slave was his property. What do you find hard to comprehend about this? The slaves were the foreigners and we're treated much different than Hebrew servants or indentured servants which all Christian apologists dishonestly try to pass off as the entirety of biblical slavery.. Hebrew servants were not to be treated as slaves but as hired workers and were released after 6 years. Foreign bought slaves were property for life and could be beaten. Hope this cleared it up for you. Stop listening to Christian apologists and actually read your bible. Don't let the apologists BS you
Once again you are taking it out of context! That was based on the human flaws of the day. Once we get to the New covenant that would slowly change. Eventually Gods Torah would present itself in true form. It would take 2,000 years and all people to realize the pureness of it all! Nevertheless we are getting there. 1Corinthians 12:12-31 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body-whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues?Do all interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts. Gods mission in the end is too bring all of us Into the kingdom. God had different methods to get us there, but God will get us there! In the end no one will be a slave or slave owner, but an individual king appointed by God. What God is doing is breaking down the hidden barriers of the human race. In the end we will become one body of Christ by GOD!
@@todbeard8118Hebrew slave was free to leave alone after serving 7 years. Since he came alone. Incase he aquired wife and children, these were Master's property since he came alone. But if he loved his wife and children, he could remain a slave forever
Wow! A great example of the mind numbing power of religious beliefs. It makes seemingly intelligent people do mental gymnastics in an effort to try to defend the indefensible. A black man rationalizing slavery...Now I have literally seen everything.
““When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.” Exodus 21:20-21 ESV Exegete this for me please. I’m struggling with my faith because of this verse. This makes it appear that God endorses slavery. These are direct instructions from God through Moses to the Israelites.
@Aaron Ausmus You do not need to read the whole chapter let us deal with this one scripture and look at what it says ok. Exodus 21:20-21 says, “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” It speaks volumes for itself so stop avoiding what it clearing tells the slavemaster he can do ok.Enough of the sugercoating it .
@@KimaniWaGikimah-c9t Not just slavery like “indentured servant” which many Christians try to promote, but actual slavery for the duration of a natural born life. Let’s go to Leviticus 25. The first thing to note is that this is a chapter about “The Sabbath Year” or the Jubilee - this is the 50th year (wherein 7 is a lucky number, 7x7=49 +1 = 50). So this is a celebratory year for the Jewish people. The second thing to note is that this chapter deal with property laws that are impacted by the Jubilee. You see, debts were forgiven during this year, slaves were freed from contracts early, land was given and debts were forgiven. So understanding that we are talking about a specific context and we understand that the chapter in question deals with property laws, let’s get into the text itself. Verses 35-38 are specifically about how the Jewish people dealt with their fellow Israelites. It is clear that they are not to be kept as slaves for the duration of their natural born life. Their debts are to be forgiven and freedom granted. So let’s go to 45-46: “45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” There is a clear delineation between aliens and Israelites in how they are to be treated. An alien may 1. be made a slave 2. become property 3. passed down through generations 4. remain slaves for their natural born life with no hope of freedom 5. may be dealt with ruthlessly. I emphasize this because the author of this passage took the time to restate that Israelites are not to be treated ruthlessly (and note this is all given in the first person directly from the biblical god, this isn’t supposed to be attributed to a human). So understand, without regard to the interpretations of hopeful Christians, the God of the bible very clearly gave instructions to its people to own other humans for the duration of their natural lives, to be passed down as one would pieces of garbage to a bin, And to be treated ruthlessly and to never be granted freedom. Slavery is wrong because it a denies a human the most fundamental aspects of their humanity. This is manifested in a number of ways, some not exclusive to slavery, but that’s what it boils down to. It reduces a human to a possession, and denies their will, personal wishes, wellbeing, and potential. If slavery were ever re-instituted and you yourself were likely to to be enslaved, would you then consider slavery wrong? If the answer is yes, then slavery is wrong. There are some moral absolutes that transcend
I believe that God's intention was not to directly oppose the existing social systems. That would have only increase the opposition to the gospel. Instead his intention is to change man from the inside out thus indirectly changing society.
That's pretty ludicrous. According to the Bible, God had no problem condemning and banning murder, thievery, coveting, eating pork, wearing mixed fabrics, etc. But somehow, banning ownership of human beings is too far?
I think one thing that gets missed in understanding the roots of slavery is to understand that slavery of a foreigner, if kidnapping is illegal, only comes about as an alternative to genocide. Society a goes to war with society b. B is defeated... kill or keep? They started keeping people because they could get ransom for them and monetize that victory. But if they defeat them completely or they have no one to ransom them, then they must monetize themselves to their victor... and that means slavery. The context itself is that of horrible evil, and its the more practical and slightly less total form of evil, because redemption is POSSIBLE. but if the hope slavery vs death provides is then deferred, the deeper the pain until its akin to rape, a violation on par with or even subjectively exceeding death. But i think we also need to keep in mind the LONG view of human redemption, survival sometimes means both doom AND joy are deferred. It's like debt or prison that way, you're off in a bad way, now you're not free to do what you want, but maybe just maybe if you don't give up and bide your time maybe your kids will be free. That's the legacy of survival. God's got this long view of redeeming the whole world, and God rewards hope. That's not minimizing evil, it's reveling in God's victory over it.
From many of the comments here, it is evident that people come with made up minds that the bible is not of divine origin and want nothing to do with God or His church. Thanks Lisa for the discussion.
Facts! The truth is they wouldn't want the truth no matter what. They've already made their mind up so why spend time watching videos on it. Its like when atheist spend all their life fighting Christianity because deep down they know it's the truth. I don't fight things that I believe are fairy tales, I ignore them.
The_PG We fight Christianity because it’s a cancer on society. Because we think it’s the truth??? What??? There is nothing truth about this barbaric Bronze Age fairytale.
@@rembertseaward351 I don’t know or care what color of the skin of the men who wrote the book. I just know it was written by men and it was NOT god inspired.
Leviticus 25:44-46 English Standard Version (ESV) 44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
My man went to the slave masters school and now is teaching the slaves?! What are the chances that the enslaved will teach the enslaved the truth? Wake up!!!
@@EranRicos Ecclesiasticus 1:26 [26]If thou desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the Lord shall give her unto thee. Isaiah 28:9-10 [9]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. [10]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: By keeping the commandments we will receive understanding of his word.
Lisa I always appreciate your work, and your heart for truth and for sharing that truth with this world. I wouldn't dare think that you're saying that you'd compromise on same-sex unions/marriage, but I am a bit shaken with your usage of the word "traditional" instead of "biblical" to describe Jude 3's view of marriage. Was that just a misunderstanding on my part, or did you use the wrong word?
Sorry for the misunderstanding. In my mind, the traditional view and the biblical view are synonymous so I often use them interchangeably. However, I should have just used biblical for more clarity. Sorry for the confusion.
It's all quite simple really, so why certain Christians go out of their way to either excuse or condemn, what the Bible, Christ, and the Apostles never refute or condemn as being either wrong, sinful, or 'deplorable' is really quite astounding. "18 You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you-not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel. 19 For God is pleased with you when you do what you know is right and patiently endure unfair treatment. 20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you. 21 For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered for you. He is your example, and you must follow in his steps." 1 Peter 2:18-21 (NLT) AMEN! Peter words are endorsed by the Lord Christ and so are approved of by Almighty God who is 'infallible'.
@16:30 Esau I know you are just guessing here as to the nature of slavery, however I would think that Gods reply to the Israelite engaging in slavery despite their past might be met with a commandment or instruction not to engage in slave ownership. I think it may be better to attack this point by saying that purchasing a slave off the market prevents that slave from being sold into the hands of an evil slaver, and into the care of a nation which holds the slaves up to a higher standard than any other nation.
God told Israel not to oppress thy stranger. You too were a stranger once. Leviticus 19:33-34 When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself,for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
He is not justifying it. He is explaining what went on in ancient Israel. Slavery has been a fact of life in every nation on earth... including Africa, South Asia, even the Americas before Euros went there. They ALL had slaves. It was not abolished in the Old World (specifically Arab nations) until very recently. It is STILL practiced in some regions. Is it wrong? Yes! Does the Bible state they should treat slaves better than they did? Yes! Slavery is STILL practiced in some form at your job where you make a fraction of the profit your employer makes. Employer had the idea and startup money, so keeps the profits. Employees do much of the labor, but get very wage in comparison at a profitable institution. Company owners can demand, yell at, scream at, demean and insult, threaten, and discard workers. Is that so far off? I am not against business owners, but just making the comparison
@@EranRicos God should have banned it then. God had absolutely no problem condemning and banning countless different actions ranging from the sensible (murder, thievery) to the absurd (eating pork, wearing mixed fabrics). But somehow, God can't ban slavery, one of the cruelest institutions in existence? The Bible allows for the unpunished beating of slaves so long as the slave does not die in a few days. Doesn't sound like good treatment to me.
@@EranRicos that is a bad comparison. Regardless of the fact he is justifying slavery when we know today us morally wrong. You are not forced to work for a specfic business. You are not taken from your home, put in slave quarters, beaten if u do not produce the quantity or quality your boss requires. You are either fired or you can quit. That us nothing like slavery. Come on man u are justifying it is well and you know it is morally wrong. Be honest with yourself man
Recently found out my 5th great grandfather actually owned my 5th great grandmother. I do wonder did it ever bother him when his on kids where slaves. It would bother me having my own kids as slaves. If there's any part of my 5th great grandfather that's like me it had to bother him.
Owning another human being is inmoral, and not only that, you can pass it to your kids as property is even more inmoral,,,,please don't even try to disguise it!!!
Great video. A lot of good points. One question, you said your ancestors did not enslave anyone, respectfully, didn’t Africans enslave anyone? Didn’t some also help the white slave traders? No disrespect intended, just a question.
No matter how you try to tap dance around to make the issue of biblical slavery seems moral, the fact is owning another human as properly is immoral, and this God who can condemn eating shell food, wearing mixed fabrics, should outright ban this trade, not give guidance on it, it looks like God is saying eating shell food and wearing mixed fabrics is more important to ban,than owing another human as properly, and in some case for life. This is just another reason to see that the bible is just a book written by ancient people with ancient thinking morality.
Please read for yourselves because this guy either doesn't know or is buck dancing! Why couldn't god couldn't simply say thou shalt not own other humans as property?
It is in the end! Gods mission is too bring all people under a subordinate state! It took many different paths to get there, but we are almost there. Even though it may not seem so now, once the end comes, the veil will bel lifted and we will see Gods divine plan!
I am passionately believe in human rights. Any tip of slavery is wrong and evil. God should have said " There shall NOT have slaves. Christian should stop making excuses for the slavery in the bible.
If one is claiming an entity to have all-power and all-knowledge as the start of everything, then it follows that everything that occurs is that entity's intent. Unfortunately, given the parade of nonsense in the Bible, there is no reason to think such a notion has a shred of validity.
With that premise it is like saying the intent of the inventor of the automobile was that many people would die from accidents, etc. People invent things to solve issues we have, but with free will anyone can use that invention for something other than its purpose. What you see is God regulating the Human Sin Condition just like our street signs and stop lights do for our reality of cars on roads. If there was no regulation you would have chaos. On the Validity of the Bible, I would start with answering the question whether God exist or not, and then go from there. Slavery exist today in the form of employment. We all know we are considered property when we are on the job that’s why we can claim workers Comp because at that time they are responsible for us. With some jobs you have to follow certain rules even when you are not working. Just some things to think about.When you read the Bible in its entirety to get the whole idea, then you see Gods intent vs our own stubbornness as humans to make up the rules and have our own way. We see a God that takes his time through history to work with us and correct our wicked ways.
@@TheGospelRenewed There are a ton of issues inherent to your statements which I have summarized below. I can be reached at 708-840-1234 if you would like to have a full discussion. --- An inventor doesn't have control and understanding of all of the variables and thus cannot be said to be responsible in an all compassing fashion,. The supposition of an all-power (full control) all-knowing (no point of ignorance as to the implications/outcomes) entity as an ultimate start entails full responsibility for all states of affairs. What is your notion of perfection? The issue being that the Bible (or insert other theological text) is full of falsehoods, absurdities, and assertions. What is your deity notion wherein falsehoods and/or absurdities are acceptable? What is your concept of free will? What does that mean? The issue being that I see everyone as being a product of their genetics and experiences (which is demonstrably the case), thus, every cognitive result is a complex product of circumstance, experience, and genetics.
My brother theirs no easy answer for that in mans mind. GOD's ways are higher than ours. We just got to do what we got to do until we get to Heaven. p.s. #NATIVESPEAKS
You have left out many scriptures that paint a different picture on this topic of slavery. The laws governing non-Hebrew slaves were more harsh than those governing Hebrew slaves: non-Hebrew slaves could be owned permanently, and bequeathed to the owner's children, whereas Hebrew slaves were treated as servants, and were released after six years of service or the occurrence of a jubilee year. Most denominations have actually changed their interpretation of different parts of the bible throughout their history, they've had to, as parts they have interpreted literally have been disproved, time and again, and so they must make a metaphorical interpretation, and once you get into that territory, anything goes. So let us take a look at what the Bible actually says about slavery. Lev. 24:44-46 says you can purchase foreign slaves and their children, and treat them as your property, and pass them to your children as an inheritance. Exodus 21:20-21 says a Hebrew can beat a slave as much as he wants, as long as they survive for at least two days, "for the slave is his property". Exodus 21: 2-6 says you can have a Hebrew as an indentured servant for six years, and if he has a wife or children, when the Hebrew is freed in the seventh year, the wife and children are not. They are still the master's property. Exodus 21:7-11 says a daughter who is sold into slavery is not to be set free, but the master can sell her if she doesn't please him. In the New Testament, Paul says "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear" (Eph. 6:5) Slaves must accept their position with humility (Eph. 6:5-8) Slaves must please their master "in everything" (Titus 2:9, Colossians 3:22) If your master is a Christian, you should work even harder to serve him so that you show respect to God. (1 Tim. 6:1-2) No where does the Bible explicitly speak out against slavery. No where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not own another person as property." God gave the Hebrews moral and cultural laws to seperate them from other nations. Any person separated from his family and sold on the auction block probably wished God had clearly condemned it. Paul did not undermine the legitimacy of slavery, because he sent Onesimus back to his slave-master, Philemon, with a personal request that Philemon not punish Onesimus too harshly for having escaped. Paul did not ask Philemon to free Onesimus, nor did he ask Philemon not to punish him for escaping. He simply stated that Onesimus had been useful to him and asked Philemon to take that into account before meting out punishment. Nothing in all this undermined the legitimacy of slavery. The Biible spells out exactly how one is to own a person as property, how that ownership differs if the person is jewish or not, and even how you can beat them without facing repercussions. Both the OT and the NT both contain scripture concerning support of slave ownership. Jesus is quoted as saying as much, stating that slaves should obey their masters as a good Christian should obey god. There are no apologetics that make this immorally acceptable. Does God not have the power to decree commandments? Why wouldn't he just state as fact that its wrong to own people as property? Slavery is wrong because it a denies a human the most fundamental aspects of their humanity. This is manifested in a number of ways, some not exclusive to slavery, but that’s what it boils down to. It reduces a human to a possession, and denies their will, personal wishes, wellbeing, and potential. If slavery were ever re-instituted and you yourself were likely to to be enslaved, would you then consider slavery wrong? If the answer is yes, then slavery is wrong. There are some moral absolutes that transcend religion.
Not one verse in the Bible advocates for ending the practice of owning another person. A possible exception can be found in the early chapters of Exodus where the Old Testament God intends to free his people from slavery in Egypt. This does not mean much, given that after being led out of Egypt the Jews were taught by God in great detail (Exodus 21) exactly how to keep Jewish slaves as indentured servants or chattel, depending on the circumstances. What is equally distressing to modern readers is that God gave the Jews explicit instructions in Leviticus 25:44-46 on the procedure for buying foreign slaves and keeping them and their children as chattel property for life. Also in the Torah, there is an example of God telling the Jews that they must keep the survivors of the Promised Land conquests as chattel slaves, especially the women (Deuteronomy 20:10-18, 21:10-11). A section in Isaiah 14:1-2 announces that the Jews are promised a future in which they will enslave all other people groups of the world. They “will possess the nations as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land”. The New Testament continues this trend of approved human subjugation with multiple stories by Jesus about slavery, including where he declares the relationship between God and humankind to be like the connection between earthly masters and slaves. He makes no criticism of slavery. He speaks as if the institution is normal and acceptable, even saying that God and human masters are justified in torturing disobedient slaves (Matthew 18:21-35). The writings of the apostles Paul and Peter include commanding slaves in five different books to obey their masters with reverence, fear, respect, sincerity, and love as if toward Christ, even when the slave owner is harsh. Slaves are to try and please their owners at all times, not just when being observed (Ephesians 6:5-6, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10, 1 Peter 2:18). The enslaved are directed to work even harder for Christian masters, since they are fellow believers. At the end of one of these instructive sections, Paul says: “Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding….Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth.” (1 Timothy 6:1-5a) Christians are “slaves of God”. (Romans 6:16-23) All of the biblical passages mentioned in the last paragraph offer sturdy guardrails to follow when interpreting proclamations of general spiritual freedom such as in Galatians: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28 NIV) The message: Be spiritually free, but remain in the physical situation you were in previously. ------------------------------------------------------------ I wrote an in-depth article on this topic, "The Bible Clearly Supports Chattel Slavery Based On Race And Gender". Here's a summary: "This article provides a very detailed account of how many, many biblical passages approve of slavery, including the meaning of 'slave' versus 'servant'. It demonstrates the ways these texts affected the abolition movement and church history in the three main traditions (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant). A summary is provided of what slavery was like in the ancient Middle East and Roman Empire, based on direct quotes from historians that specialize in those fields. Enlightenment humanism is contrasted with traditional Christianity in its approach to abolition and human rights generally. There are more than eighty hyperlinks that provide a reference for the claims I make." I would love to hear what you think of it. Search for "Disagreements I Have With Christianity Andy Rhodes".
If Almighty God did not approve of Slavery He would not have waited thousands of years before 'giving slaves their freedom' by man's laws. It would have been done both by Christ and his Apostles. But it wasn't! If slavery was wrong and therefore sinful, Christ and his Apostles would have been the very first to have condemned and forbidden having or owning slaves. But they didn't. Yet they fearlessly condemned adultery, fornication, homosexuality, thieving, lying or drunkenness, etc. which are kingdom-excluding sins. But owning slaves being wrong, is not even mentioned. Thus, no sin was committed by owning them. In fact Almighty God encouraged His own people to buy them from other nations and then hand them down to their children. 44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, Leviticus 25:44-46 (ANIV) And even brethren of Christ were permitted to have them. But they were to treat them kindly and properly. But other masters who were NOT brethren of Christ could not be controlled by such instructions, and the Christian slave had to put up with ill-treatment as we read the passage earlier, which was classed as part of their suffering for Christ's sake. And which as we read was well-pleasing to God, if they suffered for righteousness' sake. Slavery is slavery, and my guide is Scripture teaching. If slaves found the Truth, they were, and are, obligated to obey Scripture ruling on their conduct after being baptized by immersion in water, as the Lord was. Christ's own words put the position of a slave before us in the following passage. “Suppose someone has a servant who is plowing fields or watching sheep. Does he tell his servant when he comes from the field, ‘Have something to eat'? 8 No. Instead, he tells his servant, ‘Get dinner ready for me! After you serve me my dinner, you can eat yours. 9 He doesn't thank the servant for following orders. 10 That's the way it is with you. When you've done everything you're ordered to do, say, ‘We're worthless servants. We've only done our duty." 2 Luke 17:7-10 (GW)
No, God has a universal plan. Slavery would be necessary unfortunately to get the Gospel to as many people as possible. God does not condone it, but it is a human flaw. However most slaves were criminals who broke and violated many of the Mosaic laws. Even in that, God wants them to be treated fairly, and then set free eventually. Gods end goal is to have no slavery and a human race of a Godly conscience!,
Societies change with time, even in the Bible, Israel at the time of Moses wasn't organized the same way as the time of Samuel (the Tabernacle was not central anymore because of Eli's corruption), and it wasn't the same as Israel in David's time (at Samuel's time there was a "political" freedom of Tribes organizing themselves), And Israel at the time of David was not the same as the time of Elijah (there was now 2 Kingdoms), and Israel at the time of Elijah was not the same as at the time of Exile, and Israel at the time of Exile was not the same as the Second Temple, etc...Societies change and have always been, but God works His values through them,
As an honest Christian, I'll admit that slavery is generally one of those practices which have been confirmed as a moral law in the New Covenant, so even though such practices as slave-trading or unfair treatment of the war-captives/criminals are immoral in Christianity, still the slave-labour as a method of compensation, and use of force against a slave are moral options, or in some cases even a necessity for a Christian.
this is a horrible analysis and I'm a Christian. It's long past time we say we just do not know why God allowed and/or sanctioned slavery. Yes it is wrong. The Bible explicitly sanctions OWNING another person AND beating them. There is even a special section that talks about enslaving Jews, treating 'somewhat' better than non-jews. Why? Maybe it cannot explained, we should acknowledge that.
Actually foreigners could become free at anytime like the Jews if they escaped or were abused. Jews did not even have to finish their 7 years if they escaped or were abused. So God isn't making that much of a difference between the Jew and foreigner in how they were treated
Angeliqua Serenity That’s a lie Leviticus 25: 44-46 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Genesis 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. *Jacob was given the blessing to own the other nations, before the covenant was even made with Israel as a nation. The Most High always intended the other nations to serve Israel, independent of sin.* Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. *These are red letters. The Messiah is coming back to enslave the nations, and share his inheritance with the Israelites. This is supported by literally hundreds of precepts. Why do "Christians" pretend this isn't in the Bible, or is only in the Old Testament?*
Why would you want to be enslaved. The Israelites havealready ruled but are staggering due to Jacob's trouble. Edom has broken the yoke and placed it on Jacob. After Messiah returns all of Jacobs enemies will be destroyed! So do not make yourself an enemy of the Israelites! They are destined to rule over all nations. This time it will be in righteousness with the Messiah at the head! Nothing you say or do can change this! Learn to work with them!
The Aryans went back to Egypt in slave ships three times. Roman empire. Bzyatine empire, and the Barbary coast slavery they were sent to North Africa! It has to be back to the same land you left as slaves.
Now dr who are the Israelites of today??? Is it the Jew-ish people who dont fit the curses in the book of deut or the blacks hispanics and native americans of today who do?
I would still say the homosexual couple should divorce. Grace in the change. Maybe assist them in the separation: emotionally and financially if needed.
How did Jefferson Davis justify slavery in the Confederate states? Read his speeches. He said that slavery was natural it had been around for ever and it was okayed in the bible. One thing the quoted was the last of the ten commandments. That contained a discussion about coveting your neighbours possessions. One of the things which was precluded was coveting your neighbours slaves. (In the bible slave is translated as servant" Jefferson Davis said that even the commandments saw slavery as natural
As for the sabbatht year, Zedekiah did set the slaves free. But then they re-enslaved them. Yahweh, through Jeremiah, announced that this was treason and this was the straw that broke the camel's back sealing the deal of Exile. See Jeremiah 34.8-22. It is a powerful text. It is also the sabbath year (but whether they set the captives free I do not know) at the time of the Maccabee revolt. See 1 Maccabees 6.49 and 53.
21:00 I feel like there needs to be more elaboration to minimize or conrextuslize what he says elsewhere with "we should give up our power", I that the opposite of the message here with "if you can get free, get free?" I feel like theres a skeleton of beautiful biblical theology here, but its butting heads against a contrary social justice vocabulary set which isn't Christian... so when these ideas are adapted to the Christian message, which has overlap it ends up twisting the redemptive narrative into a sociopolitical vengeance/class warfare narrative that's more at home in the secular world of external conflict and hate, and doesn't easily port into God's redemptive plan, in which all are slaves, but only some know it, and all are free, but most arent free in any good sense, like free to watch Game of Thrones or free to vw a glutton, or hurt your neighbor, or prostitute yourself, but it was for freedom Christ has set is free in HIM. You can has institutional freedom but spiritual slavery, or conversely, like Paul's congregation, you can be a slave in another man's house, but free in your soul, a blood bought saint, a son of God, who will rule and reign with God for a million years... free in the best sense. I get the application... are you wealthy? Give up some of that wealth to uplift others. Are you an owner of slaves? At least treat them like family, and at best set them free, equipped to succeed in life like your own children. But we're redeemed to be redeemers. The rivalrous class warfare dynamic is designed to wraponize rage for other elites so they can enslave you more. We're called to more.
Young Man It So Hard Not To Insult You The Way You Are Insulting Black Women & Men Intelligence. Backwards Subserviency Without Any Sense Of Self Worth.
The Lord prefigured the ending of slavery: Philemon vv. 15-16 -- Perhaps this is why he was away from you for a while, that you might have him back forever, (16) no longer as a slave but more than a slave, a brother, beloved especially to me, but even more so to you, as a man and in the Lord. glory to the Lord God
@@sungazerreg9239 God hates slavery. Those who trade in slavery are put in the list of the ungodly and sinful: for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slavetraders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine, (1 Tim. 1:10) The fact that God put laws in place for slavery proves that slavery is bad. Let’s read this law: “Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. (Ex. 21:16) Let's forget the bad things of the past and look forward to the good things that are ahead (see Philippians 3:13). There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3:28)
@@Jambuc829 Please show me where it says that God created slavery. He is simply putting rules in place for the poor, slaves, and servants (see Leviticus 25:35-55). Please read this scripture again: “Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. (Ex. 21:16) Do you hate God? The devil is always trying to work on our minds to turn us from the love of God. God freed the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. We're freed from the slavery of sin and death. The old simply prefigures the new. Even if you choose to believe that God endorses slavery, which he doesn't, let's remember this scripture: In all this, Job did not sin or charge God with wrongdoing. (Job 1:22) They only way to receive God's promise of eternal life is through Jesus Christ.
@@nqx Putting yourself into debt servitude was for Israelites only. You can’t take anyone against their will?? Are you kidding me so you think people volunteered to leave behind their loved ones travel to another nation work for free and be beaten? No way that’s what you actually think happened.
If Almighty God did not approve of Slavery He would not have waited thousands of years before 'giving slaves their freedom' by man's laws. It would have been done both by Christ and his Apostles. But it wasn't! If slavery was wrong and therefore sinful, Christ and his Apostles would have been the very first to have condemned and forbidden having or owning slaves. But they didn't. Yet they fearlessly condemned adultery, fornication, homosexuality, thieving, lying or drunkenness, etc. which are kingdom-excluding sins. But owning slaves being wrong, is not even mentioned. Thus, no sin was committed by owning them. In fact Almighty God encouraged His own people to buy them from other nations and then hand them down to their children. 44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, Leviticus 25:44-46 (ANIV) And even brethren of Christ were permitted to have them. But they were to treat them kindly and properly. But other masters who were NOT brethren of Christ could not be controlled by such instructions, and the Christian slave had to put up with ill-treatment as we read the passage earlier, which was classed as part of their suffering for Christ's sake. And which as we read was well-pleasing to God, if they suffered for righteousness' sake. Slavery is slavery, and my guide is Scripture teaching. If slaves found the Truth, they were, and are, obligated to obey Scripture ruling on their conduct after being baptized by immersion in water, as the Lord was. Christ's own words put the position of a slave before us in the following passage. “Suppose someone has a servant who is plowing fields or watching sheep. Does he tell his servant when he comes from the field, ‘Have something to eat'? 8 No. Instead, he tells his servant, ‘Get dinner ready for me! After you serve me my dinner, you can eat yours. 9 He doesn't thank the servant for following orders. 10 That's the way it is with you. When you've done everything you're ordered to do, say, ‘We're worthless servants. We've only done our duty." 2 Luke 17:7-10 (GW)
@@Jambuc829 No, such thing as Jews. There is no Hebrew word Jew. Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Thank you for this. I loved Reading While Black. One of the best books I have read in a LONG time.
Leviticus25:44-46 tells you to buy your slaves from the nations around you, that you can own them as property for life and pass them onto your children as inheritance.
Exodus21:20-21 tells you how bad slaves could be beaten.
Did you get context or did you just read it? … honest question
@@realzay21 It's pretty clear. Leviticus25 44-46 clearly tells the Israelites to buy their slaves from the nation's around them, they can own them as property for life and pass them onto their children as inheritance.
Exodus21:20-21 tells them how bad they could beat their slaves. As long as the slave recovered from the beating in a day or two, the owner wasn't punished since the slave was his property.
What do you find hard to comprehend about this? The slaves were the foreigners and we're treated much different than Hebrew servants or indentured servants which all Christian apologists dishonestly try to pass off as the entirety of biblical slavery..
Hebrew servants were not to be treated as slaves but as hired workers and were released after 6 years. Foreign bought slaves were property for life and could be beaten.
Hope this cleared it up for you. Stop listening to Christian apologists and actually read your bible. Don't let the apologists BS you
tod beard - so true my brother. The Bible is used for control of the masses, and to make one docile. An extremely oppressive text. 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏽♂️
Once again you are taking it out of context! That was based on the human flaws of the day. Once we get to the New covenant that would slowly change. Eventually Gods Torah would present itself in true form. It would take 2,000 years and all people to realize the pureness of it all! Nevertheless we are getting there. 1Corinthians 12:12-31
Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body-whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues?Do all interpret? Now eagerly desire the greater gifts. Gods mission in the end is too bring all of us Into the kingdom. God had different methods to get us there, but God will get us there! In the end no one will be a slave or slave owner, but an individual king appointed by God. What God is doing is breaking down the hidden barriers of the human race. In the end we will become one body of Christ by GOD!
@@todbeard8118Hebrew slave was free to leave alone after serving 7 years. Since he came alone. Incase he aquired wife and children, these were Master's property since he came alone. But if he loved his wife and children, he could remain a slave forever
Wow! A great example of the mind numbing power of religious beliefs. It makes seemingly intelligent people do mental gymnastics in an effort to try to defend the indefensible. A black man rationalizing slavery...Now I have literally seen everything.
Me too, ridiculous opiate of the people. There's no slave nor free no black nor white, we're all one in Christ
““When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.”
Exodus 21:20-21 ESV
Exegete this for me please. I’m struggling with my faith because of this verse. This makes it appear that God endorses slavery. These are direct instructions from God through Moses to the Israelites.
@Aaron Ausmus You do not need to read the whole chapter let us deal with this one scripture and look at what it says ok.
Exodus 21:20-21 says, “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
It speaks volumes for itself so stop avoiding what it clearing tells the slavemaster he can do ok.Enough of the sugercoating it .
True
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@@KimaniWaGikimah-c9t Not just slavery like “indentured servant” which many Christians try to promote, but actual slavery for the duration of a natural born life. Let’s go to Leviticus 25. The first thing to note is that this is a chapter about “The Sabbath Year” or the Jubilee - this is the 50th year (wherein 7 is a lucky number, 7x7=49 +1 = 50). So this is a celebratory year for the Jewish people. The second thing to note is that this chapter deal with property laws that are impacted by the Jubilee. You see, debts were forgiven during this year, slaves were freed from contracts early, land was given and debts were forgiven. So understanding that we are talking about a specific context and we understand that the chapter in question deals with property laws, let’s get into the text itself. Verses 35-38 are specifically about how the Jewish people dealt with their fellow Israelites. It is clear that they are not to be kept as slaves for the duration of their natural born life. Their debts are to be forgiven and freedom granted. So let’s go to 45-46: “45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” There is a clear delineation between aliens and Israelites in how they are to be treated. An alien may 1. be made a slave 2. become property 3. passed down through generations 4. remain slaves for their natural born life with no hope of freedom 5. may be dealt with ruthlessly. I emphasize this because the author of this passage took the time to restate that Israelites are not to be treated ruthlessly (and note this is all given in the first person directly from the biblical god, this isn’t supposed to be attributed to a human). So understand, without regard to the interpretations of hopeful Christians, the God of the bible very clearly gave instructions to its people to own other humans for the duration of their natural lives, to be passed down as one would pieces of garbage to a bin, And to be treated ruthlessly and to never be granted freedom. Slavery is wrong because it a denies a human the most fundamental aspects of their humanity. This is manifested in a number of ways, some not exclusive to slavery, but that’s what it boils down to. It reduces a human to a possession, and denies their will, personal wishes, wellbeing, and potential. If slavery were ever re-instituted and you yourself were likely to to be enslaved, would you then consider slavery wrong? If the answer is yes, then slavery is wrong. There are some moral absolutes that transcend
Dr. Esau McCaulley thanks for your scholarship.
There is no such thing as Slavery Lite Brother. With all do respect.
I believe that God's intention was not to directly oppose the existing social systems. That would have only increase the opposition to the gospel. Instead his intention is to change man from the inside out thus indirectly changing society.
That's pretty ludicrous. According to the Bible, God had no problem condemning and banning murder, thievery, coveting, eating pork, wearing mixed fabrics, etc. But somehow, banning ownership of human beings is too far?
God does not do anything indirectly. He tells us obey me or burn.
I think one thing that gets missed in understanding the roots of slavery is to understand that slavery of a foreigner, if kidnapping is illegal, only comes about as an alternative to genocide.
Society a goes to war with society b. B is defeated... kill or keep?
They started keeping people because they could get ransom for them and monetize that victory. But if they defeat them completely or they have no one to ransom them, then they must monetize themselves to their victor... and that means slavery.
The context itself is that of horrible evil, and its the more practical and slightly less total form of evil, because redemption is POSSIBLE. but if the hope slavery vs death provides is then deferred, the deeper the pain until its akin to rape, a violation on par with or even subjectively exceeding death.
But i think we also need to keep in mind the LONG view of human redemption, survival sometimes means both doom AND joy are deferred. It's like debt or prison that way, you're off in a bad way, now you're not free to do what you want, but maybe just maybe if you don't give up and bide your time maybe your kids will be free.
That's the legacy of survival. God's got this long view of redeeming the whole world, and God rewards hope.
That's not minimizing evil, it's reveling in God's victory over it.
From many of the comments here, it is evident that people come with made up minds that the bible is not of divine origin and want nothing to do with God or His church. Thanks Lisa for the discussion.
Facts! The truth is they wouldn't want the truth no matter what. They've already made their mind up so why spend time watching videos on it. Its like when atheist spend all their life fighting Christianity because deep down they know it's the truth. I don't fight things that I believe are fairy tales, I ignore them.
The_PG We fight Christianity because it’s a cancer on society. Because we think it’s the truth??? What??? There is nothing truth about this barbaric Bronze Age fairytale.
@@Jambuc829 white men wrote a lot of books but the Bible is not one of those books
God never ordained chattel slavery there is slavery the chattel slavery. Trans Atlantic chattel slavery was and is a crime against humanity
@@rembertseaward351 I don’t know or care what color of the skin of the men who wrote the book. I just know it was written by men and it was NOT god inspired.
Leviticus 25:44-46 English Standard Version (ESV)
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
That is the Old Covenant!
My man went to the slave masters school and now is teaching the slaves?! What are the chances that the enslaved will teach the enslaved the truth? Wake up!!!
What school did you go to? Who taught you how to read? Ok, who taught your teacher how to read? Such a fraudulent statement by you.
@@EranRicos Ecclesiasticus 1:26
[26]If thou desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the Lord shall give her unto thee.
Isaiah 28:9-10
[9]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
[10]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
By keeping the commandments we will receive understanding of his word.
This is the truth. You have to live by Gods laws!
Good discussion folks. Indeed, it shows the problem with mankind more than the problem with God.
There is indeed a problem with mankind given the broad acceptance of fictions as fact.
LOVE your videos with Dr. Esau ..hes such a great resource! Great video..
Melanie Lindsay thanks for watching! We really appreciate the support!
How can one get in contact with dr Esau
Lisa I always appreciate your work, and your heart for truth and for sharing that truth with this world. I wouldn't dare think that you're saying that you'd compromise on same-sex unions/marriage, but I am a bit shaken with your usage of the word "traditional" instead of "biblical" to describe Jude 3's view of marriage. Was that just a misunderstanding on my part, or did you use the wrong word?
Sorry for the misunderstanding. In my mind, the traditional view and the biblical view are synonymous so I often use them interchangeably. However, I should have just used biblical for more clarity. Sorry for the confusion.
Stop making excuses the Bible does condones slavery.
My favorite christian scholars:
Dr Esau MacCauley
Dr Vince Bantu
It's all quite simple really, so why certain Christians go out of their way to either excuse or condemn, what the Bible, Christ, and the Apostles never refute or condemn as being either wrong, sinful, or 'deplorable' is really quite astounding.
"18 You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters with all respect.
Do what they tell you-not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.
19 For God is pleased with you when you do what you know is right and patiently endure unfair treatment.
20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong.
But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you.
21 For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered for you.
He is your example, and you must follow in his steps."
1 Peter 2:18-21 (NLT)
AMEN!
Peter words are endorsed by the Lord Christ and so are approved of by Almighty God who is 'infallible'.
23:40 "yeah... You can talk about those"
😆 Those are the passages we've been waiting for
Thank you! I really enjoyed the thoughtful and equal-handed analysis in this video!
@16:30 Esau I know you are just guessing here as to the nature of slavery, however I would think that Gods reply to the Israelite engaging in slavery despite their past might be met with a commandment or instruction not to engage in slave ownership. I think it may be better to attack this point by saying that purchasing a slave off the market prevents that slave from being sold into the hands of an evil slaver, and into the care of a nation which holds the slaves up to a higher standard than any other nation.
God told Israel not to oppress thy stranger. You too were a stranger once. Leviticus 19:33-34 When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself,for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Slavery is slavery. Dont justify it.
Exactly
He is not justifying it. He is explaining what went on in ancient Israel. Slavery has been a fact of life in every nation on earth... including Africa, South Asia, even the Americas before Euros went there. They ALL had slaves. It was not abolished in the Old World (specifically Arab nations) until very recently. It is STILL practiced in some regions. Is it wrong? Yes! Does the Bible state they should treat slaves better than they did? Yes! Slavery is STILL practiced in some form at your job where you make a fraction of the profit your employer makes. Employer had the idea and startup money, so keeps the profits. Employees do much of the labor, but get very wage in comparison at a profitable institution. Company owners can demand, yell at, scream at, demean and insult, threaten, and discard workers. Is that so far off? I am not against business owners, but just making the comparison
@@EranRicos God should have banned it then. God had absolutely no problem condemning and banning countless different actions ranging from the sensible (murder, thievery) to the absurd (eating pork, wearing mixed fabrics). But somehow, God can't ban slavery, one of the cruelest institutions in existence? The Bible allows for the unpunished beating of slaves so long as the slave does not die in a few days. Doesn't sound like good treatment to me.
Fin K Slavery has been a fact of life in every nation on earth???? So has homosexuality and how does god feel about that???
@@EranRicos that is a bad comparison. Regardless of the fact he is justifying slavery when we know today us morally wrong. You are not forced to work for a specfic business. You are not taken from your home, put in slave quarters, beaten if u do not produce the quantity or quality your boss requires. You are either fired or you can quit. That us nothing like slavery. Come on man u are justifying it is well and you know it is morally wrong. Be honest with yourself man
Very nice show I enjoy this show.
Recently found out my 5th great grandfather actually owned my 5th great grandmother. I do wonder did it ever bother him when his on kids where slaves. It would bother me having my own kids as slaves. If there's any part of my 5th great grandfather that's like me it had to bother him.
Sadly unrepentant sin( regardless individual/systemically) can cause people to have a shear conscious.
Owning another human being is inmoral, and not only that, you can pass it to your kids as property is even more inmoral,,,,please don't even try to disguise it!!!
Anyone who owns slaves should be killed
@@righteousfroce1254 well said brother!!
Great video. A lot of good points. One question, you said your ancestors did not enslave anyone, respectfully, didn’t Africans enslave anyone? Didn’t some also help the white slave traders? No disrespect intended, just a question.
Thank you for your information and time!
No matter how you try to tap dance around to make the issue of biblical slavery seems moral, the fact is owning another human as properly is immoral, and this God who can condemn eating shell food, wearing mixed fabrics, should outright ban this trade, not give guidance on it, it looks like God is saying eating shell food and wearing mixed fabrics is more important to ban,than owing another human as properly, and in some case for life.
This is just another reason to see that the bible is just a book written by ancient people with ancient thinking morality.
Please read for yourselves because this guy either doesn't know or is buck dancing! Why couldn't god couldn't simply say thou shalt not own other humans as property?
How would they get Gods word then. Christian missionaries were eaten by cannibals at times trying to preach the Good News.
I was under the impression that being set free after 7 years was for all people? Not just Jewish. Can you give me a verse for that?
Please read exodus 21 yourself what he is saying in not true. The Torah supports slavery. This is not scholarship this is apologetics.
You are no one and clearly don't have enough info on which you speak
Sis Lisa we thank God for you.
So is GOD conforming to societal norms and customs!!!??? 🤔One would think it would be the opposite. 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏽♂️
It is in the end! Gods mission is too bring all people under a subordinate state! It took many different paths to get there, but we are almost there. Even though it may not seem so now, once the end comes, the veil will bel lifted and we will see Gods divine plan!
Dr Esau - loved it!!!
did you know that the Moors where in Scotland for at least four hundred years think people think what it hell?
It's actually 66 books bro
I am passionately believe in human rights. Any tip of slavery is wrong and evil. God should have said " There shall NOT have slaves. Christian should stop making excuses for the slavery in the bible.
Christians are the only people to end slavery what are you talking about!
Correct
If one is claiming an entity to have all-power and all-knowledge as the start of everything, then it follows that everything that occurs is that entity's intent. Unfortunately, given the parade of nonsense in the Bible, there is no reason to think such a notion has a shred of validity.
With that premise it is like saying the intent of the inventor of the automobile was that many people would die from accidents, etc. People invent things to solve issues we have, but with free will anyone can use that invention for something other than its purpose. What you see is God regulating the Human Sin Condition just like our street signs and stop lights do for our reality of cars on roads. If there was no regulation you would have chaos. On the Validity of the Bible, I would start with answering the question whether God exist or not, and then go from there. Slavery exist today in the form of employment. We all know we are considered property when we are on the job that’s why we can claim workers Comp because at that time they are responsible for us. With some jobs you have to follow certain rules even when you are not working. Just some things to think about.When you read the Bible in its entirety to get the whole idea, then you see Gods intent vs our own stubbornness as humans to make up the rules and have our own way. We see a God that takes his time through history to work with us and correct our wicked ways.
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There are a ton of issues inherent to your statements which I have summarized below. I can be reached at 708-840-1234 if you would like to have a full discussion.
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An inventor doesn't have control and understanding of all of the variables and thus cannot be said to be responsible in an all compassing fashion,. The supposition of an all-power (full control) all-knowing (no point of ignorance as to the implications/outcomes) entity as an ultimate start entails full responsibility for all states of affairs.
What is your notion of perfection? The issue being that the Bible (or insert other theological text) is full of falsehoods, absurdities, and assertions.
What is your deity notion wherein falsehoods and/or absurdities are acceptable?
What is your concept of free will? What does that mean? The issue being that I see everyone as being a product of their genetics and experiences (which is demonstrably the case), thus, every cognitive result is a complex product of circumstance, experience, and genetics.
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Love god respect to all mathematics but I’m really confused about the slavery issue
My brother theirs no easy answer for that in mans mind. GOD's ways are higher than ours. We just got to do what we got to do until we get to Heaven. p.s. #NATIVESPEAKS
Jonathan Goyens Nah, the slave verses are disgusting
This guys capping 🧢
You have left out many scriptures that paint a different picture on this topic of slavery.
The laws governing non-Hebrew slaves were more harsh than those governing Hebrew slaves: non-Hebrew slaves could be owned permanently, and bequeathed to the owner's children, whereas Hebrew slaves were treated as servants, and were released after six years of service or the occurrence of a jubilee year.
Most denominations have actually changed their interpretation of different parts of the bible throughout their history, they've had to, as parts they have interpreted literally have been disproved, time and again, and so they must make a metaphorical interpretation, and once you get into that territory, anything goes.
So let us take a look at what the Bible actually says about slavery.
Lev. 24:44-46 says you can purchase foreign slaves and their children, and treat them as your property, and pass them to your children as an inheritance.
Exodus 21:20-21 says a Hebrew can beat a slave as much as he wants, as long as they survive for at least two days, "for the slave is his property".
Exodus 21: 2-6 says you can have a Hebrew as an indentured servant for six years, and if he has a wife or children, when the Hebrew is freed in the seventh year, the wife and children are not. They are still the master's property.
Exodus 21:7-11 says a daughter who is sold into slavery is not to be set free, but the master can sell her if she doesn't please him.
In the New Testament, Paul says "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear" (Eph. 6:5)
Slaves must accept their position with humility (Eph. 6:5-8)
Slaves must please their master "in everything" (Titus 2:9, Colossians 3:22)
If your master is a Christian, you should work even harder to serve him so that you show respect to God. (1 Tim. 6:1-2)
No where does the Bible explicitly speak out against slavery. No where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not own another person as property."
God gave the Hebrews moral and cultural laws to seperate them from other nations. Any person separated from his family and sold on the auction block probably wished God had clearly condemned it.
Paul did not undermine the legitimacy of slavery, because he sent Onesimus back to his slave-master, Philemon, with a personal request that Philemon not punish Onesimus too harshly for having escaped.
Paul did not ask Philemon to free Onesimus, nor did he ask Philemon not to punish him for escaping. He simply stated that Onesimus had been useful to him and asked Philemon to take that into account before meting out punishment. Nothing in all this undermined the legitimacy of slavery.
The Biible spells out exactly how one is to own a person as property, how that ownership differs if the person is jewish or not, and even how you can beat them without facing repercussions. Both the OT and the NT both contain scripture concerning support of slave ownership. Jesus is quoted as saying as much, stating that slaves should obey their masters as a good Christian should obey god. There are no apologetics that make this immorally acceptable. Does God not have the power to decree commandments? Why wouldn't he just state as fact that its wrong to own people as property?
Slavery is wrong because it a denies a human the most fundamental aspects of their humanity. This is manifested in a number of ways, some not exclusive to slavery, but that’s what it boils down to. It reduces a human to a possession, and denies their will, personal wishes, wellbeing, and potential.
If slavery were ever re-instituted and you yourself were likely to to be enslaved, would you then consider slavery wrong? If the answer is yes, then slavery is wrong. There are some moral absolutes that transcend religion.
Not one verse in the Bible advocates for ending the practice of owning another person. A possible exception can be found in the early chapters of Exodus where the Old Testament God intends to free his people from slavery in Egypt. This does not mean much, given that after being led out of Egypt the Jews were taught by God in great detail (Exodus 21) exactly how to keep Jewish slaves as indentured servants or chattel, depending on the circumstances. What is equally distressing to modern readers is that God gave the Jews explicit instructions in Leviticus 25:44-46 on the procedure for buying foreign slaves and keeping them and their children as chattel property for life. Also in the Torah, there is an example of God telling the Jews that they must keep the survivors of the Promised Land conquests as chattel slaves, especially the women (Deuteronomy 20:10-18, 21:10-11). A section in Isaiah 14:1-2 announces that the Jews are promised a future in which they will enslave all other people groups of the world. They “will possess the nations as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land”. The New Testament continues this trend of approved human subjugation with multiple stories by Jesus about slavery, including where he declares the relationship between God and humankind to be like the connection between earthly masters and slaves. He makes no criticism of slavery. He speaks as if the institution is normal and acceptable, even saying that God and human masters are justified in torturing disobedient slaves (Matthew 18:21-35). The writings of the apostles Paul and Peter include commanding slaves in five different books to obey their masters with reverence, fear, respect, sincerity, and love as if toward Christ, even when the slave owner is harsh. Slaves are to try and please their owners at all times, not just when being observed (Ephesians 6:5-6, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10, 1 Peter 2:18). The enslaved are directed to work even harder for Christian masters, since they are fellow believers. At the end of one of these instructive sections, Paul says: “Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding….Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth.” (1 Timothy 6:1-5a) Christians are “slaves of God”. (Romans 6:16-23)
All of the biblical passages mentioned in the last paragraph offer sturdy guardrails to follow when interpreting proclamations of general spiritual freedom such as in Galatians:
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28 NIV)
The message: Be spiritually free, but remain in the physical situation you were in previously.
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I wrote an in-depth article on this topic, "The Bible Clearly Supports Chattel Slavery Based On Race And Gender".
Here's a summary:
"This article provides a very detailed account of how many, many biblical passages approve of slavery, including the meaning of 'slave' versus 'servant'. It demonstrates the ways these texts affected the abolition movement and church history in the three main traditions (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant). A summary is provided of what slavery was like in the ancient Middle East and Roman Empire, based on direct quotes from historians that specialize in those fields. Enlightenment humanism is contrasted with traditional Christianity in its approach to abolition and human rights generally. There are more than eighty hyperlinks that provide a reference for the claims I make."
I would love to hear what you think of it. Search for "Disagreements I Have With Christianity Andy Rhodes".
If Almighty God did not approve of Slavery He would not have waited thousands of years before 'giving slaves their freedom' by man's laws. It would have been done both by Christ and his Apostles. But it wasn't!
If slavery was wrong and therefore sinful, Christ and his Apostles would have been the very first to have condemned and forbidden having or owning slaves.
But they didn't.
Yet they fearlessly condemned adultery, fornication, homosexuality, thieving, lying or drunkenness, etc. which are kingdom-excluding sins.
But owning slaves being wrong, is not even mentioned.
Thus, no sin was committed by owning them.
In fact Almighty God encouraged His own people to buy them from other nations and then hand them down to their children.
44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life,
Leviticus 25:44-46 (ANIV)
And even brethren of Christ were permitted to have them.
But they were to treat them kindly and properly.
But other masters who were NOT brethren of Christ could not be controlled by such instructions, and the Christian slave had to put up with ill-treatment as we read the passage earlier, which was classed as part of their suffering for Christ's sake.
And which as we read was well-pleasing to God, if they suffered for righteousness' sake.
Slavery is slavery, and my guide is Scripture teaching. If slaves found the Truth, they were, and are, obligated to obey Scripture ruling on their conduct after being baptized by immersion in water, as the Lord was.
Christ's own words put the position of a slave before us in the following passage.
“Suppose someone has a servant who is plowing fields or watching sheep. Does he tell his servant when he comes from the field, ‘Have something to eat'?
8 No. Instead, he tells his servant, ‘Get dinner ready for me! After you serve me my dinner, you can eat yours.
9 He doesn't thank the servant for following orders.
10 That's the way it is with you. When you've done everything you're ordered to do, say, ‘We're worthless servants. We've only done our duty."
2 Luke 17:7-10 (GW)
So Paul could see that slavery of ANY types is problematic, but GOD didn’t have the same foresight……. I’m super confused 🤔
No, God has a universal plan. Slavery would be necessary unfortunately to get the Gospel to as many people as possible. God does not condone it, but it is a human flaw. However most slaves were criminals who broke and violated many of the Mosaic laws. Even in that, God wants them to be treated fairly, and then set free eventually. Gods end goal is to have no slavery and a human race of a Godly conscience!,
Man wrote the Bible so let's just think a little about all that please think those who read one book no none.
In a nutshell, Dr. McCaulley is saying GOD conforms and assimilates to societies.! 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏽♂️
Societies change with time, even in the Bible, Israel at the time of Moses wasn't organized the same way as the time of Samuel (the Tabernacle was not central anymore because of Eli's corruption), and it wasn't the same as Israel in David's time (at Samuel's time there was a "political" freedom of Tribes organizing themselves), And Israel at the time of David was not the same as the time of Elijah (there was now 2 Kingdoms), and Israel at the time of Elijah was not the same as at the time of Exile, and Israel at the time of Exile was not the same as the Second Temple, etc...Societies change and have always been, but God works His values through them,
Seem very smart and intelligent I’m impressed but you beating around the bush
I think its that he's setting the stage.
As an honest Christian, I'll admit that slavery is generally one of those practices which have been confirmed as a moral law in the New Covenant, so even though such practices as slave-trading or unfair treatment of the war-captives/criminals are immoral in Christianity, still the slave-labour as a method of compensation, and use of force against a slave are moral options, or in some cases even a necessity for a Christian.
this is a horrible analysis and I'm a Christian.
It's long past time we say we just do not know why God allowed and/or sanctioned slavery. Yes it is wrong. The Bible explicitly sanctions OWNING another person AND beating them. There is even a special section that talks about enslaving Jews, treating 'somewhat' better than non-jews. Why? Maybe it cannot explained, we should acknowledge that.
lrfisher2002 against Torah and Judaism period.
lrfisher2002 Smartest comment on the topic
Actually foreigners could become free at anytime like the Jews if they escaped or were abused. Jews did not even have to finish their 7 years if they escaped or were abused. So God isn't making that much of a difference between the Jew and foreigner in how they were treated
Angeliqua Serenity That’s a lie
Leviticus 25: 44-46
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
I think he did a good job, is there something specific?
Genesis 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.
*Jacob was given the blessing to own the other nations, before the covenant was even made with Israel as a nation. The Most High always intended the other nations to serve Israel, independent of sin.*
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
*These are red letters. The Messiah is coming back to enslave the nations, and share his inheritance with the Israelites. This is supported by literally hundreds of precepts. Why do "Christians" pretend this isn't in the Bible, or is only in the Old Testament?*
This already happened my man! You are a dollar short and a day late.
Why would you want to be enslaved. The Israelites havealready ruled but are staggering due to Jacob's trouble. Edom has broken the yoke and placed it on Jacob. After Messiah returns all of Jacobs enemies will be destroyed! So do not make yourself an enemy of the Israelites! They are destined to rule over all nations. This time it will be in righteousness with the Messiah at the head! Nothing you say or do can change this! Learn to work with them!
Who is the bible talking about in duertornonmy 28 and 68
The Aryans went back to Egypt in slave ships three times. Roman empire. Bzyatine empire, and the Barbary coast slavery they were sent to North Africa! It has to be back to the same land you left as slaves.
Now dr who are the Israelites of today??? Is it the Jew-ish people who dont fit the curses in the book of deut or the blacks hispanics and native americans of today who do?
good summary
Indentured Servitude….. a bird by any other name is, still a bird 🤷🏽♂️ - slavery by any other name, is still slavery. 🤦🏾♂️
I would still say the homosexual couple should divorce. Grace in the change. Maybe assist them in the separation: emotionally and financially if needed.
How did Jefferson Davis justify slavery in the Confederate states? Read his speeches. He said that slavery was natural it had been around for ever and it was okayed in the bible. One thing the quoted was the last of the ten commandments. That contained a discussion about coveting your neighbours possessions. One of the things which was precluded was coveting your neighbours slaves. (In the bible slave is translated as servant" Jefferson Davis said that even the commandments saw slavery as natural
As for the sabbatht year, Zedekiah did set the slaves free. But then they re-enslaved them. Yahweh, through Jeremiah, announced that this was treason and this was the straw that broke the camel's back sealing the deal of Exile. See Jeremiah 34.8-22. It is a powerful text. It is also the sabbath year (but whether they set the captives free I do not know) at the time of the Maccabee revolt. See 1 Maccabees 6.49 and 53.
44:00 Amen to that !!!! Yaalll keep doing the great woork may the lord keep blessing yall !
If the most have written the bible slavery wouldn't have to be explain about any race. The most high would not have put slaves obey your masters.
21:00 I feel like there needs to be more elaboration to minimize or conrextuslize what he says elsewhere with "we should give up our power", I that the opposite of the message here with "if you can get free, get free?"
I feel like theres a skeleton of beautiful biblical theology here, but its butting heads against a contrary social justice vocabulary set which isn't Christian... so when these ideas are adapted to the Christian message, which has overlap it ends up twisting the redemptive narrative into a sociopolitical vengeance/class warfare narrative that's more at home in the secular world of external conflict and hate, and doesn't easily port into God's redemptive plan, in which all are slaves, but only some know it, and all are free, but most arent free in any good sense, like free to watch Game of Thrones or free to vw a glutton, or hurt your neighbor, or prostitute yourself, but it was for freedom Christ has set is free in HIM. You can has institutional freedom but spiritual slavery, or conversely, like Paul's congregation, you can be a slave in another man's house, but free in your soul, a blood bought saint, a son of God, who will rule and reign with God for a million years... free in the best sense.
I get the application... are you wealthy? Give up some of that wealth to uplift others. Are you an owner of slaves? At least treat them like family, and at best set them free, equipped to succeed in life like your own children.
But we're redeemed to be redeemers. The rivalrous class warfare dynamic is designed to wraponize rage for other elites so they can enslave you more.
We're called to more.
Young Man It So Hard Not To Insult You The Way You Are Insulting Black Women & Men Intelligence.
Backwards Subserviency Without Any Sense Of Self Worth.
The Lord prefigured the ending of slavery:
Philemon vv. 15-16 -- Perhaps this is why he was away from you for a while, that you might have him back forever, (16) no longer as a slave but more than a slave, a brother, beloved especially to me, but even more so to you, as a man and in the Lord.
glory to the Lord God
So what you saying the topic is do the Bible support slavery or not what does this tex have anything to do with it
@@sungazerreg9239 God hates slavery. Those who trade in slavery are put in the list of the ungodly and sinful:
for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slavetraders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine, (1 Tim. 1:10)
The fact that God put laws in place for slavery proves that slavery is bad. Let’s read this law:
“Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. (Ex. 21:16)
Let's forget the bad things of the past and look forward to the good things that are ahead (see Philippians 3:13).
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3:28)
john rw God hates slavery?? So why does god endorse it?
@@Jambuc829 Please show me where it says that God created slavery. He is simply putting rules in place for the poor, slaves, and servants (see Leviticus 25:35-55). Please read this scripture again:
“Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. (Ex. 21:16)
Do you hate God? The devil is always trying to work on our minds to turn us from the love of God. God freed the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. We're freed from the slavery of sin and death. The old simply prefigures the new. Even if you choose to believe that God endorses slavery, which he doesn't, let's remember this scripture:
In all this, Job did not sin or charge God with wrongdoing. (Job 1:22)
They only way to receive God's promise of eternal life is through Jesus Christ.
@@nqx Putting yourself into debt servitude was for Israelites only. You can’t take anyone against their will?? Are you kidding me so you think people volunteered to leave behind their loved ones travel to another nation work for free and be beaten? No way that’s what you actually think happened.
If Almighty God did not approve of Slavery He would not have waited thousands of years before 'giving slaves their freedom' by man's laws. It would have been done both by Christ and his Apostles. But it wasn't!
If slavery was wrong and therefore sinful, Christ and his Apostles would have been the very first to have condemned and forbidden having or owning slaves.
But they didn't.
Yet they fearlessly condemned adultery, fornication, homosexuality, thieving, lying or drunkenness, etc. which are kingdom-excluding sins.
But owning slaves being wrong, is not even mentioned.
Thus, no sin was committed by owning them.
In fact Almighty God encouraged His own people to buy them from other nations and then hand them down to their children.
44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life,
Leviticus 25:44-46 (ANIV)
And even brethren of Christ were permitted to have them.
But they were to treat them kindly and properly.
But other masters who were NOT brethren of Christ could not be controlled by such instructions, and the Christian slave had to put up with ill-treatment as we read the passage earlier, which was classed as part of their suffering for Christ's sake.
And which as we read was well-pleasing to God, if they suffered for righteousness' sake.
Slavery is slavery, and my guide is Scripture teaching. If slaves found the Truth, they were, and are, obligated to obey Scripture ruling on their conduct after being baptized by immersion in water, as the Lord was.
Christ's own words put the position of a slave before us in the following passage.
“Suppose someone has a servant who is plowing fields or watching sheep. Does he tell his servant when he comes from the field, ‘Have something to eat'?
8 No. Instead, he tells his servant, ‘Get dinner ready for me! After you serve me my dinner, you can eat yours.
9 He doesn't thank the servant for following orders.
10 That's the way it is with you. When you've done everything you're ordered to do, say, ‘We're worthless servants. We've only done our duty."
2 Luke 17:7-10 (GW)
EXODUS 21:16
William Webb, Slaves, Women, and Homosexuality ... is what you were thinking. .... Thomas Oden, How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind.
Yes. Hermeneutics!
The Bible.
Read it entirely.
Study it soundly
Interpret it carefully you may like it out.
Jacob with the name Esau...🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
What is Jacob? And what is Esau?
NOT Jacob & Not Esau. He is just african/black. Jews are Esau and the white race is Jacob😘
Edwin Yamauchi's Africa and the Bible is required reading
Christianity is a myth
NO, it's the Salvation of mankind! Being Jewish is a myth.
Alot of beating around the bush
These restrictions apply to Jews and gentiles both treated equally.
That’s false only Jews
@@Jambuc829 No, such thing as Jews. There is no Hebrew word Jew. Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
This man says "right" too many times.
I prefer "right' over 'like' or 'um' 😂🤣