Among the lists I also saw one for Coach. Each of the top countries have had great coaches but one stands out: (and I'm a Kiwi!) Carwyn James from Wales. He masterminded the 1971 Lions series victory in NZ, then the Llanethlie (sp) win over the All Blacks. The amazing thing that us Kiwis never understood was... why wasn't he appointed Wales Coach again? He forced us to revise how we played, leading to a long period of dominance of the game for the AB's.
The problem with trying to compare players from different eras is that the game has changed so much. The skill set and physical attributes just for a start are infinitely different for a number of reasons; amateur vs professional game, modern defensive structures, different laws such as lifting in the lineout, breakdown laws that now vastly favour the attacker. With all these things that have changed over the years the players of 20/30/40 years ago were playing a very different game.
Skill is skill, Gareth Edwards had it in buckets,he and Carter different eras s,but people around the rugby world appreciate and recognise there genius
Whoever compiled this team clearly never watched the greatest rugby player of all time - C.M.H. 'Mike' Gibson of Ireland. He made Brian O'Driscoll look comparatively ordinary. The most complete player, with electric pace, in open play the ability to fend, swerve and side step, unrivalled in defence, unmatched under the high ball, a visionary attacker, always delivered the unexpected. Ahead of his time, a bit like Dr.Who of the rugby field! A combination of Brian O'Driscoll, Geordan Murphy and Simon Geoghegan rolled into one. Pure Magic!
I would agree wholeheartedly if we are talking about the backline. He was the most complete back I ever saw; he had all the skills and could play any position.
JPR Williams, Gerald Davies, Tim Horan, Danny Gerber, Dan Carter, Gareth Edwards, Richie McCaw, Mervin Davies, Fergus Slattery, Martin Johnson, Willie John McBride, R.Lowe, Keith Woods, Taigh Furlong. As we all know, there are many different teams of equal quality but it’s good to think back to through all those great players.
What a team you have picked there . I would go with Keith Woods all day long with Taigh Furlong, possibly Phil Bennett at 10. As good as JPR was, I think I would stick with Cullen. I would toss a coin between Gerald Davies and Ieaun Evans
Dr. Danie Craven were once asked to pick the best team ever. After he was done he said "but now I can also pick a team who can beat them" Man was a living rugby legend/genius!!
It doesn't mater if it is from an english point of view. They are still great players. ( I am french ). Vous êtes vraiment des merdes a dire cela. On s' en fout. De toute façon on ne peut pas faire une équipe avec que des légendes car tout le monde a des points de vue différents. So please next time you wright something, THINK
1. Os du Randt(Os is Afrikaans for Ox, which mean this man had immense strength) 2. Sean Fitzpatrick(Courageous leader leading by example) 3. Jason Leonard(Dependable workhorse for England and the Lions) 4. Martin Johnson(Victorious Lions captain and led England to world cup glory) 5. Victor Matfield(Best Lineout jumper ever, was impossible to read by his opponents) 6. Michael Jones(Best All Black flanker in the amateur era) 7. Ritchie McCaw(Led All Blacks to 2 world cup titles most capped All Black) 8. Zinzan Brooke(He had it all, he could even kick a drop goal) 9. Gareth Edwards(The best ever scrumhalf scoring the best ever try) 10.Dan Carter(He had it all, all the perfect skills, your dream flyhalf) 11.Jonah Lomu(Impossible to stop him when in full flight, the man was a beast!) 12. Brian O'Driscoll(Irish wizard who troubled defenses with his hard running and eye for the gap) 13. Danie Gerber(Played during the isolation years for the Springboks, but the best ever center to grace a rugby field. His opponents will agree.) 14. David Campese(The Wizard of OZ with his blistering pace and bag of tricks) 15. Christian Cullen(The man was difficult to stop when given space. He had a great step and lots of pace.)
What about buck Shelford and another player people forget is Tutai Kefu they don't come much tougher than these two and Kefu was quick for a number 8 and a man you wouldn't mess with,ask Trevor Brennan.
@@anthonyhoey6394 Brennan was a bit of a prat but good ol' Kefu had it easy because a couple of really helpful team mates were pinning Brennan's arms. Wot about Willie O?
this side is good trust me 1.Os du Randt 2.sean fitzpatrick 3.Carl Hayman 4.collin meads 5.john eales 6.michael jones 7.richie mccaw 8.zizan brooke 9.JDW 10.Daniel Carter 11.jonah lomu 12.matt giteau 13.brian o'driscoll 14.shane williams 15.christian cullen glorious bench 16.keith wood 17.Tony Woodcock 18.jason leonard 19.victor matfield 20.david pocock 21.George Gregan 22.johnny wilkinson 23.tim horan Honarable mentions Kieran read Bryan Habana Max Sharpe Kevin Mealamu Ma'a Nonu Conrad smith David campese Martin Johnson Adam jones Jerry Collins
Not sure about Leonard and dallaglio in there, I'd take them out and replace with Graham Price and Zinzan, but can't argue too much with Johnson. I'd actually put Hill at 6 as well, the engine behind the orc pack. Apart from that this team looks arguably the best, though there's plenty of legends in history that can slot in too.
Valiant effort mate but clearly you have an English Bias. I'm guessing your your English born. Leonard, Lawrence not a hope, there are queues of better players ahead of them both. Tbh Johnson wouldn't make my top 15 either.
@@Rugby-union-and-sports Profoundly overrated! couldn't tackle, couldn't defend, was scared of the in-close stuff, over-inflated ego and fragile. And no-one liked him; and he's very unpopular in Aust because he's a prick!
Interesting list,but been South African (can't deny southern hemisphere has dominated) i would have to say at 4.Victor Matfield 8.Zinzan Brooke 9.Joost VDV and without doubt 13.Danie Gerber..
Definitely go with Victor Mayfield and probably his sidekick Bakkies Boater. At 8 I would go with Sergio Paresse. 13 I would stick with Brian O'Driscoll. Scrum half is a close call between Gareth Edwards and Joost VD. Both absolute class acts and brought different attributes to the game. Both best at the way they played , very very close call
1. Os Du Randt 2. Keith Wood 3. Olo Brown 4. Bakkie Botha 5. Victor Matfield 6. Jerry Collins 7. Richie McCaw 8. Zinzan Brooke 9. Joost van der Westhuizen 10. Dan Carter 11. Jonah Lomu 12. Tim Horan 13. Danie Gerber 14. Ray Mordt 15. Christian Cullen
A winger should have great pace but also side step/swerve and football abilities- J j William's, campese Duckham, R. Underwood , Gerald davies, Grant batty...many more.
@@philldavies7940 Which universe? It's impossible to definitively compare players from different generations. Those from the younger generation might favour those from the professional era and be prone to recent bias, while those from the older generation might favour the amateur era and be clouded by nostalgia. Either way not sure where this "universal acknowledgement" comes from.
Unfortunately for him he was born in the wrong era. If he was born say 10 years later he would've played a lot more tests he'd definitely been in the conversation
Danie Gerber was the best outside centre of all time, no question about it. I would also pick Ray Mordt at 14, he is not known in South Africa as the “Gold Standard” for nothing.
@@Macron87 Put your money where your mouth is, and name and shame the cheating South Africans. You cannot name but one now, can you, you little weasel?
1) Olo Brown 2) Colin Meads or Sean Fitz Patrick 3) Du Rant 4) John Eales 5) Victor Mattfield 6) Jerry Collins or George Smith 7) Richie Mc Caw 8) Zin Zan Brooke 9) 9) Joost 10) Dan Carter 11) Jonah Lomu 12) Tim Horan or Ma'a Nonu 13) Brian O'Driscoll, Tana Umaga or Phillipe Salle 14) John Kirwan, Jason Williams or Brian Havana 15) Christian Cullen
If you are adding them by their ability within their respective times then Colin Meads would definitely be in the locks. If not then you really cant include anyone from before 2007 because they just arent as fit and strong as the modern blokes. Dane Coles would have been a magician at the 91 world cup.
Having watched Union for the last 70 years, it is regretted that only possibly three or four would qualify selection in my version of the World 's best team. The changes in the laws and professionalism have ruined what used to be a magnificent game.
I tend to agree with what you are saying. So many factors would have influenced the selection. Please give us your "best" 15 of all time. It should make interesting reading. Thank you.
This debate will rage eternal lol, so how about a real challenge, do the same list again, greatest rugby XV of all time but you can only select "one", player from every rugby playing nation in the world? It would be interesting to see what others come up with, remember only one player from any one country. 1) Sona Taumalolo(Tonga) 2) Keith Wood (Ireland) 3) Rodrigo Roncero (Argentina) 4) Victor Matfield (South Africa) 5) John Eales (Australia) 6) Mamuka Gorgodza (Georgia) 7) Ritchie McCaw (New Zealand) 8) Sergio Perese (Italy) 9) Gareth Edwards (Wales) 10) Johnny Wilkinson (England) 11) Ayumu Goromaru (Japan) 12) Brian Lima (Samoa) 13) Phillipe Sella (France) 14) Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Fiji) 15) Gavin Hastings (Scotland)
My second choice - Backs: JPR Williams, Jonah Lomu, Bryan Williams, Bill Osborne, Frank Bunce, /Bruce Roberson, Phil Bennett, Gareth Edwards, Forwards: Buck Shelford, Ian Kirkpatrick, Kelvin Tremain, Colin Meads C, Willie John McBride, Keith Murdoch, Sean Fitzpatrick & Kevin Skinner.
KEITH MURDOCH STRONGEST AND WITH BUCK TOUGHEST ALL BLACK PLAYED AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA WITH AN APENDIX THAT HAD BUST THE DAY BEFORE THE TEST IN SOUTH AFRICA WHEN THE FORDS WERE HARD AND VICIOUS AND BRUTAL HE ALSO TOWE A BIG OLDD HOLDEN KINGSWOOD WITH 1 HAND ON STEERING WHEEL THE OTHER OUT TTHE WINDOW HOLDING THE ROPE UP HILL AN THIS AINT URBAN LEDGON SOME1 TOOK A PHOTO OF IT HAPPENING AND STILL POPS UP IN THE ODD BOOK
Dirtiest Players 15 1 Richard Loe 2 Dylan Hartley 3 Johan La Rue 4 Bakkies Botha (Captain) 5 Danny Grewcock 6 Dean Grayling 7 Shalk Burger 8 Lawerance Dilalgio 9 Jimmy Cowan 10 Owen Farrell 11 Brian Lima 12 M Basteraud 13 Manu Tuilangi 14 Quade Cooper 15 James Small Imagine coming up against this front row, you'd end up with a broken nose, your eye gouged out, and a missing ear!!!!......
@@WWEFan-ty5xd lol he was in there but I replaced him with Troy Flavell so it doesnt look biased by not having All Blacks, but yes he was in my original XV posted, he was a shocker!
As an English man who grow up in the 70s . Can I say any list must include Phill Bennett and jpr along with Edwards. That Welsh team were the best Northern hemisphere team in my lifetime
the greatest centre, if not greatest player ever is Danie Gerber - he scored 19 tries in 24 tests . His speed and strength and side step are unmatched ..
This list got a few very wrong. Leonard. Just so many players better at that position, old school prop who brought literally nothing else to the game other than a scrum. Just no. Dallaglio!?!?!?!? Literally nobody other than the most one eyed englishman would think he deserves to be here. He even got dropped by his own country for lack of form! Any number of NZ, Australian and SA players comprehensively outplayed him when they were matched up. You're seriously going to pick Dallaglio ahead of Toutai Kefu? Maybe go and watch some games where the played against each other. Dallaglio was notable for his absence while Kefu was almost single-handedly winning Australia games. Short of that, Zinzan Brooke and Buck Shelford (most people's actual pick i'm sure) were just far, far better players. Joost Van der Westhuizen is the greatest halfback in the game. Hands down. And as good as Bryan Habana is (one of my favourite players) that spot is Campo's.
Yasmine Amber,personally i think George Gregan was the best halfback.He won more tests against New Zealand than those others put together and i dont recall Lomu ever getting past him.
Yes you are biased .. was he the best ever 2nd row to ever play in that position? No he wasn't was he .. clues in the name? Best ever rugby 15 not he should be playing because he shares the same nationality as me
1 Os Du Rant 2 Kevin Mealamu 3 Richard Loe 4 Brodie Retallick 5 John Eales 6 Francois Pienaar 7 Richie McCaw 8 Wayne(Buck)Shelford 9 George Gregan 10 Dan Carter 11 Johnah Lomu 12 Tim Horan 13 Brian O'Driscoll 14 David Campese 15 Don Clarke 16 Jason Leonard 17 Sean Fitzpatrick 18 Victor Matfield 19 Michael jones 20 Sid Going 21 Johnny Wilkinson 22 Rupeni Caucaunibuca 23 Gavin Hastings
Not kidding Mealamu has more dynamics to his game then Fitzy. aint downing fitzy but its just my opinion. Sean fitzy still is 1 of the greatest all blacks of all time.
Of the more recent scrum halves , Joost and George Gregan. I remember Gregan was a conveyer belt . He just kept the ball coming . Ok ,he must have had a decent pack in front of him . But a great midfield general.
It's hard to look passed a 2nd row partnership of Thorne and Matfield. Also, Zinzan should be at 8 and I thought Lima might have had a mention somewhere. Maybe not the best, but for his team, he really shone and made the difference.
@@Macron87 Not that easy unless you are a fan of the two mentioned players. There were other excellent locks prior to and since then. Two great players though.
I’d suggest Johnson and Eales as the two greatest World Cup 2nd rowers although that’s tough on Matfield, Thorne, Whetton, Hayden, and a swag of great modern players. But, if you put the WC aside, the great man Colin Meads has the mentioned. He was the pioneer of the fast mobile lock, and as much as I admire the considerable skills of a Johnson and particularly Eales, the sheer strength of Meads would have made him a handful for either of these two great modern players. As for Zinny, great player though he was, he’s not even rated as the best number 8 in NZ rugby so I don’t see how you can make him your best of all time.
Great backline. Questionable 8, 6, 5, 4, 3. Those positions would be owned by SA locks & NZ back rowers most likely Zinzan and M.Jones, all day long. Maybe a cheeky Argentinean slipping into the front row at 3. I'd even question Fitzy at 2, given the talent available today as McCaw would captain. Dillaglio at 8, you must be smoking crack! Surprised you didn't put Wilkinson ahead of Carter based on your No.8 pick. Good attempt 5/10 👏
So this was written by someone of what age? No one earlier than de Preez? Anyone with a longer memory will spin through the names of the great: all the way through J.P.R. Williams, Ian Kirkpatrick, and others in the 70s back through Colin Meads to George Nepia. Its like a poll that says Taylor Swift is the greatest rock star.
@@TheTheotherfoot You are so right I met Sean Fitzpatrick a couple of weeks ago, granted he is older now but he is tiny compared to the modern day rugby players.
For me its: 1. Os du Randt 2. Sean Fits Patrick 3. Peter de Villiers 4. Frik de Preez 5. Colin Mead 6. Richie McCaw 7. Jean Pierre Rives 8. Zinzan Brooke 9. Gareth Edwards 10. Johnny Wilkinson 11. Jonah Lomu 12. Phillip Sella 13. Danie Gerber 14. Ray Mordt 15. H.O de Villiers
Cullen, Campese, Smith, Horan, Robinson, Wilkinson, Joost, Cholley, Windsor, Hayman, Matfield, Meads, Hill, Brooke, Jones. This is an alternative XV, the only 2 I would definitely change would be Edwards and Lomu.
15. C.Cullen (nzl) 14. R. Caucaumbuca (fiji) 13. T.Umaga (nzl) 12. B. Lima (sam) 11. J. Lomu (nzl) 10. D.Carter (nzl) 9. J. Van der weisthuizen (s.a) 8. P. Spies (s.a) 7. M. Jones (nzl) 6. S. Burger (s.a) 5. N. Maxwell (nzl) 4. J. Eales (aus) 3. K. Meuws (nzl) 2. K. Mealamu (nzl) 1. O. Brown (nzl) No bias here,just the very best in their positions respectively
Idk man you teams alright but you have some glaring issues. McCaw has gotta be #7 (maybe Jones at #6), Maxwell at lock, no way, Eales & Matfield are the two best I've seen. Your props aren't great & you gotta have Fitzy at hooker. And for me Zinzan would start at #8
interesting team. Jason Leonard should not be there. I like your locks. Macaw yes don't know enough about your 6 Sorry but Lawrence Delaglio is a silly choice at best. Probably not in the top 10 8s of all time. 9 and 10 are fair enough. Don't have an issue with your mid field but I would go Tim Horan and Dane Gerber. I have nothing against Habana but he is not the greatest 14 of all time. He's up there but not the best. I would go Campese or Kirwan. I'm fine with Blanco at 15 but would probably go Cullen personally. Seen worse all time teams :)
Yes, I smell an Englishman here. Absolutely no way half of his selection should be C grade selections. We should call this "Greatest Moments in the dinosaur days. Not the Greatest of All time.....I am not an Allblack fan but to be fair NZ's b grade team beat this selection hands down. Go the boks!
Two of the best players from SA : Frik du Preez and Joost van der Westhuizen. I would add Malcolm Marx to that list, as specialist of the rolling maul. As for the drop goal specialist of all time, there could only be one candidate : Naas Botha.
From NZ I would add Don Clark, Colin Meads, Kelvin Tremain, Waka Nathan, Ian Kirkpatrick, Bill Osborne, Bruce Robertson, Frank Bunce, Syd Going, Wayne "Buck" Shelford, Zinzan Brooke, Grant Fox, Jeff Wilson, Christian Cullen, Jonah Lomu, & many more.
Then he'll get up and steam roll you. steam rolled everyone,north islanders, south islanders,PACIFIC ISLANDERS , named greatest AB of all time colin meads was the steam roller.
I have looked through many of the comments and there is no mention of Barry John. Dan Carter is a fine player but he never caused a country to change its whole rugby-playing ethos and approach. Barry John did that to New Zealand and it led to them becoming the rugby world's dominant force. No other player has done that and his retirement at 27 in 1972 was such a shame. He is the greatest ever 10.
My rankings. 1 Tom Smith 2 Dylan Hartley 3 Jason Leonard 4 Maro Itoji 5 Alyn Win Jones 6 Sam Warburton: captain 7 Tom Curry (Richie McCaw would just get in Sam's way so its better to have a less breakdown heavy number 7) 8 Billy Vunopla 9 Antoine Dupont 10 Johnny Sexton 11 Bryan Habana 12 Philip Shela 13 Brian O'Driscoll 14 George North 15 Leigh Halfpenny
The Welsh squad of the early 70's would beat this side. Seriously, how can you leave Phil Bennett/Barry John out of the greatest team along with the greatest exponent of the 'crash tackle' in the business; JPR Williams.
As South African I agree. Phil Bennet, Barry John, Richard Sharpe Cliff Morgan every bit and better than today's players. People forget just how good the players of yesteryear were. Some SA players as well. Dallalio at no 8. Not even close
wtf they forgot about zinzan brook ,tim horen , gregan ,johnny wilkinson ,micheal jones, pine tree ,joost van der westhuizen ,christan cullen , hery honiball, joe foff, mortlock,larkim,.....
Danie Gerber was by far the greatest no 13. There are a few Springboks that belong there. What about Hennie Muller who caused the rules of rugby to changed. It was impossible to win a team that Hennie Muller played in. They had to change the laws of rugby to be able to win Hennie Muller.
@@xxdemon70xx Maybe there is an argument for Carter. But there again I am just an Englishman offering an opinion. My Rugby knowledge is obviously not as great as yours, but there again I come from a civilised country where sheep are not sex symbols.
Here's my list (I'm a kiwi btw) 1 Oos Du Rant 2 Sean Fitzpatrick 3 Jason Leonard 4 Martin Johnson 5 Brodie Retallick 6 Shalk Burger 7 Richie McCaw (C) 8 Kieran Read 9 Aaron Smith 10 Dan Carter 11 Jonah Lomu 12 Maa Nonu 13 Danie Gerber 14 Brian Habana 15 Christian Cullen Just missed out: Zinzan Brooke, Jeff Wilson John Kirwan, David Campese, George Gregan, John Eales,, Victor Matfield, David Pocock, Dusotoir, Johnny Wilkinson,Serge Blanco, Maa Nonu, Frank Bunce, Shane Williams, Olo Brown,,Jason Robinson, Lawerance Dilaglio, Dane Coles
@@broncos87issac98 George Nepia for me all the way as Fullback, but you are right Cullen is a better player than Blanco, no disrespect to Blanco a great player too
Lomu is by far the greatest I have ever seen and great man too but today is the springboks guys but I have to say is the best captain got to be Sean Fitzpatrick am from the UK am biased my family live and work in new Zealand wen iwent to watch Auckland blues he was commentating at the Match I shock his hand nice fella I was on holiday I told him from the UK 🇬🇧
Eales is the Greatest Lock forward ever produced in world rugby……and I’m a ALL Black diehard!!…….Brodie Retallick and Eben Etzebeth are a close second in my books…..they would roll Martin Johnson all day!!!
Van der Westhuizen was great indeed but Gareth Edwards was better all round, voted best player of all time in one major poll. He and Colin Meads (who should be included here) were towering figures.
@@mizofan How was he better all round!? Joost scored 38 test tries in 89 tests as a scrumhalf. He had the size and bulk of a flanker, the pace of a wing, could sidestep and manufacture tries from the scrumhalf position that Gareth Edwards could only ever have dreamed about and had a killer pass on him. Apart from that his defense is legendary, just ask Jonah Lomu.
1- Os Du Randt 2- Dane Coles 3- Carl Hayman 4- John Eales (VC) 5- Brodie Retallick 6- Michael Jones 7- Richie McCaw (C) 8- Zinzan Brooke 9- Joost Van Der Westhuizen 10- Dan Carter 11- Jonah Lomu 12- Mike Gibson 13- Danny Gerber 14- Rupeni Caucaunibuca 15- Christian Cullen Res: 16- Ken Gray 17- Sean Fitzpatrick 18- Flippie Van Der Merwe 19- Sam Whitelock 20- Kieran Read 21- Aaron Smith 22- Beauden Barrett 23- Serge Blanco Coaches : Steve Hansen Wayne Smith Joe Schmidt
Just who I've been alive and old enough to see play 1. DuRandt 2. Fitzpatrick 3. Roncero 4. Retallick (As a player, Johnson as a leader) 5. Eales 6. Hill (Didn't see enough of Jones as he was coming towards the end of his career) 7. McCaw 8. Parisse (Really wanted to put Scott Quinnell here) 9. Joost 10. Carter 11. Campese 12. Horan 13. Sella 14. Shane (Closest call of all so went with National bias. Lomu or any of the turn of the century NZ wingers could be here) 15. Cullen (Again only caught the tail end of Blanco) Now if you had asked my Nan who was more knowledgeable about rugby that anyone i've ever met (But insanely Bias) it's the Pontypool Front row, McBryde, Meads, Rives, David, Mervyn, Edwards, John, Gibson and Dawes centre, Gerald, JJ and JPR back 3 with Delme, John Taylor, Quinnell, Chico Hopkins, Bennett all unlucky to miss out
I would pick 1. Os du Randt 2. Sean Fitzpatrick 3. Carl Hayman 4. Colin Meads 5. John Eales 6. Michael Jones 7. Richie McCaw 8. Zinzan Brooke(Soon to be replaced by Read) 9. Gareth Edwards 10. Dan Carter 11. Jonah Lomu 12. Tim Horan 13. Brian O'driscoll 14. JPR Williams(He's a fullback, but whatever) 15. Christian Cullen 16. Keven Mealamu 17. Tony Woodcock 18. Jason Leonard 19. Frik Du Preez 20. Kieran Read 21. George Gregan 22. Stephen Larkham 23. Danie Gerber
Danie Gerber? Naas Botha? You can debate many positions but not nr 1, Os du Randt. Jannie du Plessis said the 1st time he scrummed against Os it felt like he got pins and needles in his eyes.
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Among the lists I also saw one for Coach. Each of the top countries have had great coaches but one stands out: (and I'm a Kiwi!) Carwyn James from Wales. He masterminded the 1971 Lions series victory in NZ, then the Llanethlie (sp) win over the All Blacks. The amazing thing that us Kiwis never understood was... why wasn't he appointed Wales Coach again? He forced us to revise how we played, leading to a long period of dominance of the game for the AB's.
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The problem with trying to compare players from different eras is that the game has changed so much. The skill set and physical attributes just for a start are infinitely different for a number of reasons; amateur vs professional game, modern defensive structures, different laws such as lifting in the lineout, breakdown laws that now vastly favour the attacker. With all these things that have changed over the years the players of 20/30/40 years ago were playing a very different game.
Skill is skill, Gareth Edwards had it in buckets,he and Carter different eras s,but people around the rugby world appreciate and recognise there genius
Zinzan Brooke must be no 8
Colin Meads playing at 8 ?
Smit or zinzan has to be
Zinzan 100% the best no 8 for me
Total joke dallaglio at 8, loads better at 8 than him, also Leonard 3 a bit doubtful as well
it is not the best team if it doesnt have Christian Cullen in it - one of the greatest fullbacks ever - the amazing paekākāriki express
He was great he does have a lot of competition,Andre Joubert,Serge Blanco,Andy Irvine,jpr Williams,I pick the rock,the fearless one
Whoever compiled this team clearly never watched the greatest rugby player of all time - C.M.H. 'Mike' Gibson of Ireland.
He made Brian O'Driscoll look comparatively ordinary.
The most complete player, with electric pace, in open play the ability to fend, swerve and side step, unrivalled in defence, unmatched under the high ball, a visionary attacker, always delivered the unexpected. Ahead of his time, a bit like Dr.Who of the rugby field!
A combination of Brian O'Driscoll, Geordan Murphy and Simon Geoghegan rolled into one. Pure Magic!
Hilarious
I would agree wholeheartedly if we are talking about the backline. He was the most complete back I ever saw; he had all the skills and could play any position.
What never seen Gareth edwards play have you.
I agree with you entirely re Mike Gibson, he was a superb player and certainly did make B.O.D look ordinary because lets face it , he was ordinary!!
Sharp you don’t deserve to follow rugby with a statement like that
JPR Williams, Gerald Davies, Tim Horan, Danny Gerber, Dan Carter, Gareth Edwards, Richie McCaw, Mervin Davies, Fergus Slattery, Martin Johnson, Willie John McBride, R.Lowe, Keith Woods, Taigh Furlong. As we all know, there are many different teams of equal quality but it’s good to think back to through all those great players.
Rob Lowe - brilliant
What a team you have picked there . I would go with Keith Woods all day long with Taigh Furlong, possibly Phil Bennett at 10. As good as JPR was, I think I would stick with Cullen. I would toss a coin between Gerald Davies and Ieaun Evans
Tough to pick - great effort though as all the players picked were legends. Glad to see some honourable mentions.
Dr. Danie Craven were once asked to pick the best team ever. After he was done he said "but now I can also pick a team who can beat them"
Man was a living rugby legend/genius!!
Not sure if I agree with this... Zinzan Brooke 8, Victor Matfield 4,
Victor played 5
Victor played 5 due to how exceptional he was in setpiece and in the lineout
I smell an Englishman! Dillaglio isn’t even the best English number 8 of all time.
Agreed and he would not make it onto the top 20 all black number 8's
Quite clearly an english view point!
It doesn't mater if it is from an english point of view. They are still great players. ( I am french ). Vous êtes vraiment des merdes a dire cela. On s' en fout. De toute façon on ne peut pas faire une équipe avec que des légendes car tout le monde a des points de vue différents. So please next time you wright something, THINK
Better than Buck???????
@steve french Your pommie mate might make it into the Top 20 gay players of all time .
You can be their ball boy and knob polisher!
lol....this dick never heard of barry john
I guess anyone's list would be debated but I would say Victor Matfield, David Campese, Christian Cullen were the best in their positions.
Add Mark Ella to that list.
Campo over Lomu, definitely. Lomu had terrible defense.
And Vic was ok around the paddock, but a genius at ilneouts. I don't know if that is enough.
No Meads, Frik a number 6, bad selections or non selection ,Phil Bennett should be in. Beta luck next time.
David Campese, the man was outstanding
Matfield vs John Eales or Ian Jones? Nah
1. Os du Randt(Os is Afrikaans for Ox, which mean this man had immense strength)
2. Sean Fitzpatrick(Courageous leader leading by example)
3. Jason Leonard(Dependable workhorse for England and the Lions)
4. Martin Johnson(Victorious Lions captain and led England to world cup glory)
5. Victor Matfield(Best Lineout jumper ever, was impossible to read by his opponents)
6. Michael Jones(Best All Black flanker in the amateur era)
7. Ritchie McCaw(Led All Blacks to 2 world cup titles most capped All Black)
8. Zinzan Brooke(He had it all, he could even kick a drop goal)
9. Gareth Edwards(The best ever scrumhalf scoring the best ever try)
10.Dan Carter(He had it all, all the perfect skills, your dream flyhalf)
11.Jonah Lomu(Impossible to stop him when in full flight, the man was a beast!)
12. Brian O'Driscoll(Irish wizard who troubled defenses with his hard running and eye for the gap)
13. Danie Gerber(Played during the isolation years for the Springboks, but the best ever center to grace a rugby field. His opponents will agree.)
14. David Campese(The Wizard of OZ with his blistering pace and bag of tricks)
15. Christian Cullen(The man was difficult to stop when given space. He had a great step and lots of pace.)
Willem Kotze how about Bakkies Botha, was he not the best no. 4 ever?
A close second to Johnson, and with Matfield the best ever lock partnership the game has seen. But his discipline was at times a problem.
Yes J9 was by far the best scrumhalf in the professional era.
Willem Kotze Campese couldn't tackle a fine attacker but no great.
Not bad.Strangely for a kiwi I I would have Timmy Horan at second five though and John Eales instead of Matfield.
There was no better senter in world rugby than Danie Gerber and no better no8than Zinzan Brooke
Agree
Agree with Zz but no problem with sella and BOD
Hennie Muller!
What about buck Shelford and another player people forget is Tutai Kefu they don't come much tougher than these two and Kefu was quick for a number 8 and a man you wouldn't mess with,ask Trevor Brennan.
@@anthonyhoey6394 Brennan was a bit of a prat but good ol' Kefu had it easy because a couple of really helpful team mates were pinning Brennan's arms.
Wot about Willie O?
this side is good trust me
1.Os du Randt
2.sean fitzpatrick
3.Carl Hayman
4.collin meads
5.john eales
6.michael jones
7.richie mccaw
8.zizan brooke
9.JDW
10.Daniel Carter
11.jonah lomu
12.matt giteau
13.brian o'driscoll
14.shane williams
15.christian cullen
glorious bench
16.keith wood
17.Tony Woodcock
18.jason leonard
19.victor matfield
20.david pocock
21.George Gregan
22.johnny wilkinson
23.tim horan
Honarable mentions
Kieran read
Bryan Habana
Max Sharpe
Kevin Mealamu
Ma'a Nonu
Conrad smith
David campese
Martin Johnson
Adam jones
Jerry Collins
Three from the 2003 White Orcs pack? I smell an Englishman.
Exactly my reaction
Not sure about Leonard and dallaglio in there, I'd take them out and replace with Graham Price and Zinzan, but can't argue too much with Johnson. I'd actually put Hill at 6 as well, the engine behind the orc pack.
Apart from that this team looks arguably the best, though there's plenty of legends in history that can slot in too.
And not even the best English player of all time Richard Hill. Dallalgio there is a joke, Johnson as a leader not a player
White orcs pack? Please explain orcs ?
Willie John McBride should be No. 8. Not even a question. Definitely not Dallaglio. Also Gavin Hastings at 15.
Call me romantic but you have to have either Barry 'King' John or Phil Bennett
Valiant effort mate but clearly you have an English Bias. I'm guessing your your English born. Leonard, Lawrence not a hope, there are queues of better players ahead of them both. Tbh Johnson wouldn't make my top 15 either.
I agree totally!
Martin Johnson is the best second row of all time you idiot.
No, that is Colin Meads, greatest All Black of the 20th century.
@@shearer567 LOL
Yeah you're right the greatest second row of all time is 6ft 4
Nice selection.But Joost van der Westhuizen was the best scrum halve,Danie Gerber best inside centre and David Campeze for wing or fullback.
I personally think Campese was overated because when he was good he was good but when he was bad he was bad.
I admired Joost but Gareth Edwards was something special over 11 plus seasons for Wales
Gerber was outside centre
Joost doesn't come close to Edward's. Greatest ever by a proverbial mile. I'm from S.A.
@@Rugby-union-and-sports Profoundly overrated! couldn't tackle, couldn't defend, was scared of the in-close stuff, over-inflated ego and fragile. And no-one liked him; and he's very unpopular in Aust because he's a prick!
Interesting list,but been South African (can't deny southern hemisphere has dominated) i would have to say at 4.Victor Matfield 8.Zinzan Brooke 9.Joost VDV and without doubt 13.Danie Gerber..
Agree
Definitely go with Victor Mayfield and probably his sidekick Bakkies Boater. At 8 I would go with Sergio Paresse. 13 I would stick with Brian O'Driscoll. Scrum half is a close call between Gareth Edwards and Joost VD. Both absolute class acts and brought different attributes to the game. Both best at the way they played , very very close call
1. Os Du Randt
2. Keith Wood
3. Olo Brown
4. Bakkie Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Jerry Collins
7. Richie McCaw
8. Zinzan Brooke
9. Joost van der Westhuizen
10. Dan Carter
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Tim Horan
13. Danie Gerber
14. Ray Mordt
15. Christian Cullen
Botha and Matfield? Is that a joke?
I’m sorry new to Rugby but Lomu was/is still best... his attitude, his choices, his play style, his dexterity, his plans...they just amazing.
He had terrible defense. Shouldn't even be on this list.
A winger should have great pace but also side step/swerve and football abilities- J j William's, campese Duckham, R. Underwood , Gerald davies, Grant batty...many more.
Joost van der Westhuizen is and will always be the best scrum half I've ever seen
After Gareth Edwards. Pretty much universally acknowledged as the greatest ever rugby union player.
@@philldavies7940 Which universe? It's impossible to definitively compare players from different generations. Those from the younger generation might favour those from the professional era and be prone to recent bias, while those from the older generation might favour the amateur era and be clouded by nostalgia. Either way not sure where this "universal acknowledgement" comes from.
rubbish gareth edwards was greatest by a mile probably greatest rugby player ever
should watch more rugby then
@@philldavies7940 dear god the man has never left wales
Danie-Gerber-was-the-best-13-considering-he-missed-so-much!-and-im-a-kiwi
tatally agree , fm france
Absolutely correct, a pairing of him and Mike Gibson would be superb
There has never been anyone like Danie Gerber, not even close, best ever
Absolutely
Unfortunately for him he was born in the wrong era. If he was born say 10 years later he would've played a lot more tests he'd definitely been in the conversation
Danie Gerber was the best outside centre of all time, no question about it. I would also pick Ray Mordt at 14, he is not known in South Africa as the “Gold Standard” for nothing.
Players are known as all sorts in South Africa. Mostly cheats.
@@Macron87 Put your money where your mouth is, and name and shame the cheating South Africans. You cannot name but one now, can you, you little weasel?
Very good team! Couple players out of position, but awesome team. I would make one change; Danie Gerber at 13.
Rubbish team,i wouldnt have half those players in my team.
@@Rugby-union-and-sports Loaded with Europeans! 😂😂😂
@@Rugby-union-and-sports Just for fun, name your team.
1) Olo Brown 2) Colin Meads or Sean Fitz Patrick 3) Du Rant 4) John Eales 5) Victor Mattfield 6) Jerry Collins or George Smith 7) Richie Mc Caw 8) Zin Zan Brooke 9) 9) Joost 10) Dan Carter 11) Jonah Lomu 12) Tim Horan or Ma'a Nonu 13) Brian O'Driscoll, Tana Umaga or Phillipe Salle 14) John Kirwan, Jason Williams or Brian Havana 15) Christian Cullen
CE Meads as a hooker! Really?
Who is Jason Williams? Do you mean Jason Robinson?
#10...I would consider Naas Botha (SA)
Naas was the best flyhalf of all time.
@@unidax8708 you’re kidding? Right?
Did he ever pass a ball?
@@frankvella7983 ......only when he was in danger of being tackled!
If you are adding them by their ability within their respective times then Colin Meads would definitely be in the locks. If not then you really cant include anyone from before 2007 because they just arent as fit and strong as the modern blokes. Dane Coles would have been a magician at the 91 world cup.
Having watched Union for the last 70 years, it is regretted that only possibly three or four would qualify selection in my version of the World 's best team. The changes in the laws and professionalism have ruined what used to be a magnificent game.
I tend to agree with what you are saying. So many factors would have influenced the selection. Please give us your "best" 15 of all time. It should make interesting reading. Thank you.
agree!!!!!
laws aimed at snuffing out the all blacks ... when all they needed to do was push for fozzie as their coach 😄😁😆
This debate will rage eternal lol, so how about a real challenge, do the same list again, greatest rugby XV of all time but you can only select "one", player from every rugby playing nation in the world? It would be interesting to see what others come up with, remember only one player from any one country.
1) Sona Taumalolo(Tonga)
2) Keith Wood (Ireland)
3) Rodrigo Roncero (Argentina)
4) Victor Matfield (South Africa)
5) John Eales (Australia)
6) Mamuka Gorgodza (Georgia)
7) Ritchie McCaw (New Zealand)
8) Sergio Perese (Italy)
9) Gareth Edwards (Wales)
10) Johnny Wilkinson (England)
11) Ayumu Goromaru (Japan)
12) Brian Lima (Samoa)
13) Phillipe Sella (France)
14) Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Fiji)
15) Gavin Hastings (Scotland)
what a boring idea!
How can it be the greatest rugby team of all time if you can only select one player from any nation ? 😂😂
haami01 Jonah Lomu should represent New Zealand
Frik Du Preez
Greatest? Where's Barry John?
Behind Carter.
Barry John would be all over Dan Carter
John tackled like a revolving door!
Sharp jealousy and bitterness is ugly
Waaay behind
My second choice -
Backs: JPR Williams, Jonah Lomu, Bryan Williams, Bill Osborne, Frank Bunce, /Bruce Roberson, Phil Bennett, Gareth Edwards, Forwards: Buck Shelford, Ian Kirkpatrick, Kelvin Tremain, Colin Meads C, Willie John McBride, Keith Murdoch, Sean Fitzpatrick & Kevin Skinner.
KEITH MURDOCH STRONGEST AND WITH BUCK TOUGHEST ALL BLACK PLAYED AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA WITH AN APENDIX THAT HAD BUST THE DAY BEFORE THE TEST IN SOUTH AFRICA WHEN THE FORDS WERE HARD AND VICIOUS AND BRUTAL
HE ALSO TOWE A BIG OLDD HOLDEN KINGSWOOD WITH 1 HAND ON STEERING WHEEL THE OTHER OUT TTHE WINDOW HOLDING THE ROPE UP HILL AN THIS AINT URBAN LEDGON SOME1 TOOK A PHOTO OF IT HAPPENING AND STILL POPS UP IN THE ODD BOOK
Why so few All Blacks !?!?
About time someone mentioned Phil Bennett!
Bakkies Botha #4, Schalk Burger #6 Joost #9. Danie Gerber #13, Christian Cullen #15
1.Os du Randt
2.Sean Fitzpatrick
3.Robert Paparemborde
4.Willie John McBride
5.Colin Meads
6.Frik du Preez
7.Michael Jones
8.Buck Shelford
9.Joost vd Westhuizen
10.Dan Carter
11.Carel du Plessis
12.Tim Horan
13.Danie Gerber
14.John Kirwan
15.Serge Blanco
16.Tom Lawton
17.Hannes Marais
18.Graham Price
19.Brodie Retallick
20.Richie McCaw
21.Gareth Thomas
22.Philippe Sella
23.Naas Botha
Coach:Fred Allen
Dirtiest Players 15
1 Richard Loe
2 Dylan Hartley
3 Johan La Rue
4 Bakkies Botha (Captain)
5 Danny Grewcock
6 Dean Grayling
7 Shalk Burger
8 Lawerance Dilalgio
9 Jimmy Cowan
10 Owen Farrell
11 Brian Lima
12 M Basteraud
13 Manu Tuilangi
14 Quade Cooper
15 James Small
Imagine coming up against this front row, you'd end up with a broken nose, your eye gouged out, and a missing ear!!!!......
maybe marler
@@marcusthomas2880 he'd definitely be on the reserves bench!
@@floydkingi4364 where's grubby grewcock?
@@WWEFan-ty5xd lol he was in there but I replaced him with Troy Flavell so it doesnt look biased by not having All Blacks, but yes he was in my original XV posted, he was a shocker!
Uli Schmidt should be in there.
1. Os
2. Fitzpatrick
3. Hayman
4. Matfield
5. Eales
6. Iceman
7. McCaw
8. Zinzan
9. Joost/Far Jones
10. Carter/ Larkham
11. Jonah
12. Horan
13. Mortlock/BOD
14. Habana/Rupeni
15. Latham/Cullen.
Guilty!
Farr Jones at number 9??? Not fit enough to lace the boots of Gareth Edwards!
Honestly, I'd pick Aaron Smith before both of em at this stage.
As an English man who grow up in the 70s . Can I say any list must include Phill Bennett and jpr along with Edwards. That Welsh team were the best Northern hemisphere team in my lifetime
the greatest centre, if not greatest player ever is Danie Gerber - he scored 19 tries in 24 tests . His speed and strength and side step are unmatched ..
agree with you , and cullen my favorite player , fm france
Gerber, Sella, Bunce, Horan
Gerber at centre from an ABs diehard
This list got a few very wrong.
Leonard. Just so many players better at that position, old school prop who brought literally nothing else to the game other than a scrum. Just no.
Dallaglio!?!?!?!? Literally nobody other than the most one eyed englishman would think he deserves to be here. He even got dropped by his own country for lack of form!
Any number of NZ, Australian and SA players comprehensively outplayed him when they were matched up.
You're seriously going to pick Dallaglio ahead of Toutai Kefu? Maybe go and watch some games where the played against each other. Dallaglio was notable for his absence while Kefu was almost single-handedly winning Australia games.
Short of that, Zinzan Brooke and Buck Shelford (most people's actual pick i'm sure) were just far, far better players.
Joost Van der Westhuizen is the greatest halfback in the game. Hands down.
And as good as Bryan Habana is (one of my favourite players) that spot is Campo's.
Was with you until you said Joost was the greatest. He is 2nd behind Gareth Edwards.
Yasmine Amber,personally i think George Gregan was the best halfback.He won more tests against New Zealand than those others put together and i dont recall Lomu ever getting past him.
@@Youre Ha ha gareth edwards you gotta be kidding! Sorry you gotta be welsh.
@Pa Tero Gareth Edwards couldn't wear Sids jockstrap!
@@sharp2684 I'm a kiwi actually. Gareth was greater than Sid.
5 must be victor matfield
Paul O Connell needs to be there I know I'm biased as an irishmen but he was such a leader and a great player
bill cosby certainly
Yes you are biased .. was he the best ever 2nd row to ever play in that position? No he wasn't was he .. clues in the name? Best ever rugby 15 not he should be playing because he shares the same nationality as me
You stupid as well ..Matfield made a mockery of him in the 2007 Lions tour ... Hes crap in comparison to the greats !!
skyelark155 that sentence is riddled with flaws.
1 Os Du Rant
2 Kevin Mealamu
3 Richard Loe
4 Brodie Retallick
5 John Eales
6 Francois Pienaar
7 Richie McCaw
8 Wayne(Buck)Shelford
9 George Gregan
10 Dan Carter
11 Johnah Lomu
12 Tim Horan
13 Brian O'Driscoll
14 David Campese
15 Don Clarke
16 Jason Leonard
17 Sean Fitzpatrick
18 Victor Matfield
19 Michael jones
20 Sid Going
21 Johnny Wilkinson
22 Rupeni Caucaunibuca
23 Gavin Hastings
Seriously Mealamu over Fitzpatrick? You are kidding yourself.
Not kidding Mealamu has more dynamics to his game then Fitzy. aint downing fitzy but its just my opinion. Sean fitzy still is 1 of the greatest all blacks of all time.
Of the more recent scrum halves ,
Joost and George Gregan. I remember Gregan was a conveyer belt . He just kept the ball coming . Ok ,he must have had a decent pack in front of him .
But a great midfield general.
It's hard to look passed a 2nd row partnership of Thorne and Matfield. Also, Zinzan should be at 8 and I thought Lima might have had a mention somewhere. Maybe not the best, but for his team, he really shone and made the difference.
It’s easy. Johnson and Eales, every single time
@@Macron87 Not that easy unless you are a fan of the two mentioned players. There were other excellent locks prior to and since then. Two great players though.
I’d suggest Johnson and Eales as the two greatest World Cup 2nd rowers although that’s tough on Matfield, Thorne, Whetton, Hayden, and a swag of great modern players. But, if you put the WC aside, the great man Colin Meads has the mentioned. He was the pioneer of the fast mobile lock, and as much as I admire the considerable skills of a Johnson and particularly Eales, the sheer strength of Meads would have made him a handful for either of these two great modern players.
As for Zinny, great player though he was, he’s not even rated as the best number 8 in NZ rugby so I don’t see how you can make him your best of all time.
Kieran Reid was a better 8 than ZinZan
Too many Englishmen. Your bias is showing through.
Yeah Im surprised that they are not ALL poms!
I'm South African, but no Cullen at 15? That is unthinkable.
You’ve never seen the great Serge Blanco play then?
@@BURRRRPPPPPOOP Did many times. Not a patch on Cullen.
@@dantewalters5209 that’s still just an opinion, it doesn’t make him better!
When did Philippe Sella play inside center ???
What rubbish must be a Northern hemisphere panel
Tangaroa q
English bias.
The hemisphere that has only won, one?
Great backline. Questionable 8, 6, 5, 4, 3. Those positions would be owned by SA locks & NZ back rowers most likely Zinzan and M.Jones, all day long. Maybe a cheeky Argentinean slipping into the front row at 3. I'd even question Fitzy at 2, given the talent available today as McCaw would captain. Dillaglio at 8, you must be smoking crack! Surprised you didn't put Wilkinson ahead of Carter based on your No.8 pick. Good attempt 5/10 👏
Have to agree thre
I agree 100%, but I would include 9 aswell, Marshall, van der Weshuizen and du Preez where all better
why would he pick wilkinson ahead of carter when wilkinson is nowhere near as good?
So this was written by someone of what age? No one earlier than de Preez? Anyone with a longer memory will spin through the names of the great: all the way through J.P.R. Williams, Ian Kirkpatrick, and others in the 70s back through Colin Meads to George Nepia. Its like a poll that says Taylor Swift is the greatest rock star.
It becomes impossible to compare players from different ears, the game has changed so much
His list is valid. Stupid but valid
@@TheTheotherfoot You are so right I met Sean Fitzpatrick a couple of weeks ago, granted he is older now but he is tiny compared to the modern day rugby players.
9 Joost... 8. ZinZan... 15 Christian Cullen
For me its: 1. Os du Randt 2. Sean Fits Patrick 3. Peter de Villiers 4. Frik de Preez 5. Colin Mead 6. Richie McCaw 7. Jean Pierre Rives 8. Zinzan Brooke 9. Gareth Edwards 10. Johnny Wilkinson 11. Jonah Lomu 12. Phillip Sella 13. Danie Gerber 14. Ray Mordt 15. H.O de Villiers
Nice to see H. O. de Villiers remembered!
Cullen, Campese, Smith, Horan, Robinson, Wilkinson, Joost, Cholley, Windsor, Hayman, Matfield, Meads, Hill, Brooke, Jones.
This is an alternative XV, the only 2 I would definitely change would be Edwards and Lomu.
15. C.Cullen (nzl)
14. R. Caucaumbuca (fiji)
13. T.Umaga (nzl)
12. B. Lima (sam)
11. J. Lomu (nzl)
10. D.Carter (nzl)
9. J. Van der weisthuizen (s.a)
8. P. Spies (s.a)
7. M. Jones (nzl)
6. S. Burger (s.a)
5. N. Maxwell (nzl)
4. J. Eales (aus)
3. K. Meuws (nzl)
2. K. Mealamu (nzl)
1. O. Brown (nzl)
No bias here,just the very best in their positions respectively
Idk man you teams alright but you have some glaring issues. McCaw has gotta be #7 (maybe Jones at #6), Maxwell at lock, no way, Eales & Matfield are the two best I've seen. Your props aren't great & you gotta have Fitzy at hooker. And for me Zinzan would start at #8
interesting team.
Jason Leonard should not be there.
I like your locks.
Macaw yes
don't know enough about your 6
Sorry but Lawrence Delaglio is a silly choice at best. Probably not in the top 10 8s of all time.
9 and 10 are fair enough.
Don't have an issue with your mid field but I would go Tim Horan and Dane Gerber.
I have nothing against Habana but he is not the greatest 14 of all time. He's up there but not the best. I would go Campese or Kirwan.
I'm fine with Blanco at 15 but would probably go Cullen personally.
Seen worse all time teams :)
sidgoing1 He was a fat galoot... over rated
Yes, I smell an Englishman here. Absolutely no way half of his selection should be C grade selections. We should call this "Greatest Moments in the dinosaur days. Not the Greatest of All time.....I am not an Allblack fan but to be fair NZ's b grade team beat this selection hands down. Go the boks!
Do 15 NZ Players then , Start with Frank Bunce at 12 ,Pat Lam at 6 Gorgodze playing 8 for NZ rather than Georgia or Parisse the best number 8 ever
Just put big Jonah plus fourteen others. He was enough on his own. Scandalous talent.
Two of the best players from SA : Frik du Preez and Joost van der Westhuizen. I would add Malcolm Marx to that list, as specialist of the rolling maul. As for the drop goal specialist of all time, there could only be one candidate : Naas Botha.
Nah, Hugo Porta from Argentina
From NZ I would add Don Clark, Colin Meads, Kelvin Tremain, Waka Nathan, Ian Kirkpatrick, Bill Osborne, Bruce Robertson, Frank Bunce, Syd Going, Wayne "Buck" Shelford, Zinzan Brooke, Grant Fox, Jeff Wilson, Christian Cullen, Jonah Lomu, & many more.
Grant fox is a legend in nz just like every other all back to wear the jersey
Colin meads would get steam rolled from these islanders😅😅😅
Then he'll get up and steam roll you. steam rolled everyone,north islanders, south islanders,PACIFIC ISLANDERS , named greatest AB of all time colin meads was the steam roller.
of course you would
So entirely a New Zealand side in other words
..
Select a XV from the amateur era and one from professional era. Players from different eras cannot be compared with each other
Botha,Gerber, Du Plessis,Reinack, etc would suggest you can compare eras......I'm not south African by the way
Far too many "modern" players what about Colin Meads or Willie John McBride at fly Half Barry John, Richard Sharp or Phil Bennett.
I have looked through many of the comments and there is no mention of Barry John. Dan Carter is a fine player but he never caused a country to change its whole rugby-playing ethos and approach. Barry John did that to New Zealand and it led to them becoming the rugby world's dominant force. No other player has done that and his retirement at 27 in 1972 was such a shame. He is the greatest ever 10.
Barry John was eclipsed by Phil Bennet,in all facets of the game,and then came Dan Carter,and he was genuis,undisputed
My rankings.
1 Tom Smith
2 Dylan Hartley
3 Jason Leonard
4 Maro Itoji
5 Alyn Win Jones
6 Sam Warburton: captain
7 Tom Curry (Richie McCaw would just get in Sam's way so its better to have a less breakdown heavy number 7)
8 Billy Vunopla
9 Antoine Dupont
10 Johnny Sexton
11 Bryan Habana
12 Philip Shela
13 Brian O'Driscoll
14 George North
15 Leigh Halfpenny
The Welsh squad of the early 70's would beat this side.
Seriously, how can you leave Phil Bennett/Barry John out of the greatest team along with the greatest exponent of the 'crash tackle' in the business; JPR Williams.
As South African I agree. Phil Bennet, Barry John, Richard Sharpe Cliff Morgan every bit and better than today's players. People forget just how good the players of yesteryear were. Some SA players as well. Dallalio at no 8. Not even close
Yip, they were the core of the 1971 & 1974 Lions
Where is Chabal
Good team. But I think any World XV without Dannie Gerber in the center is nuts....and I'm English!
He didn't play enough tests to be considered the best because he was unfortunately around during SAs ban from international sport.
@@Rugby-union-and-sports true, he was unlucky. But I don't think anyone can doubt his quality.
What about Danie Gerber? Best nr 13 of all time.
George Pennells Brian O’Driscoll is the best number 13 or all time.
as the greatest centres they can both play in the XV (Sella, Gibson, Horan reserves).
@@finndoyle1792 no his not
dawie Benjamin your stupid
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO DANIE GERBER IS.
2)Keith Wood 8)Zinzan Brooke 13)Danie Gerber.
5) Victor Mattfield
wtf they forgot about zinzan brook ,tim horen , gregan ,johnny wilkinson ,micheal jones, pine tree ,joost van der westhuizen ,christan cullen , hery honiball, joe foff, mortlock,larkim,.....
Michael Jones , Dan Carter or beau barratt
The Paikakariki express????
Danie Gerber was by far the greatest no 13. There are a few Springboks that belong there. What about Hennie Muller who caused the rules of rugby to changed. It was impossible to win a team that Hennie Muller played in. They had to change the laws of rugby to be able to win Hennie Muller.
Im kiwi and I agree Danie Gerber was the greatest 13 of all time
Muller played most of his tests in Sth Africa under Sth African refs wouldn't have survived in NZ.
Jonny Wilkinson should be in there, absolute genius.
Yup hes there mate..polishing Dan Carters boots.
@@xxdemon70xx Maybe there is an argument for Carter. But there again I am just an Englishman offering an opinion. My Rugby knowledge is obviously not as great as yours, but there again I come from a civilised country where sheep are not sex symbols.
greatest my fuckin arse
Here's my list (I'm a kiwi btw)
1 Oos Du Rant
2 Sean Fitzpatrick
3 Jason Leonard
4 Martin Johnson
5 Brodie Retallick
6 Shalk Burger
7 Richie McCaw (C)
8 Kieran Read
9 Aaron Smith
10 Dan Carter
11 Jonah Lomu
12 Maa Nonu
13 Danie Gerber
14 Brian Habana
15 Christian Cullen
Just missed out: Zinzan Brooke, Jeff Wilson John Kirwan, David Campese, George Gregan, John Eales,, Victor Matfield, David Pocock, Dusotoir, Johnny Wilkinson,Serge Blanco, Maa Nonu, Frank Bunce, Shane Williams, Olo Brown,,Jason Robinson, Lawerance Dilaglio, Dane Coles
Nice team. I would add Danie Gerber at 13.
@@diago3823 Gerber is a legend
mate seriously you left christian cullen out he was like a god my favourite and the best fullback of all time
tbf it is hard to argue against Blanco. That's probably the closest call in the team.
You're* true but its cullen maybe cos thats my fav player but yeah blanco is the man too
@@broncos87issac98
George Nepia for me all the way as Fullback, but you are right Cullen is a better player than Blanco, no disrespect to Blanco a great player too
Please stop the music.
Surely you can find a spot for Ken Catchpole!
What a laugh I had - Lawrence Dallaglio, Brian O'Driscoll, Sean Fitzpatrick? You really have not watched rugby that much have you?
Jacques Fourie and Danie Gerber weren't even mentioned.
Danie Gerber !!! best ever
1) J.lengard🏴
2) D.coles🇳🇿
3) O.Du.Rant🇿🇦
4) A. wyn.jones🏴
5) M.Johnson🏴
6) S.kolasi🇿🇦
7) R.McCaw🇳🇿
8)K.reid🇳🇿
9)F.de.clerk🇿🇦
10)D.carter🇳🇿
11)S.williams🏴
12)T.umaga🇳🇿
13)B.O'riscoll🇮🇪
14) R.Underwood🏴
15)JPR.williams🏴
Subs/reserves
16)J.Wilkinson🏴
17)M.hooper🇦🇺
19)J.moody🇳🇿
20)P.o'Connel🇮🇪
21)J.lomu🇳🇿
22)M.tuilangi🏴
23)C.healy
24)S.cane🇳🇿
25)R.best🇮🇪
hhahahhahahhahahahhhh
Who’s the captain I ask?
Lomu is by far the greatest I have ever seen and great man too but today is the springboks guys but I have to say is the best captain got to be Sean Fitzpatrick am from the UK am biased my family live and work in new Zealand wen iwent to watch Auckland blues he was commentating at the Match I shock his hand nice fella I was on holiday I told him from the UK 🇬🇧
Ken Catchpole, Colin Meads, Brodie Rettalic, Jean pierre Rive, Phil Bennett and many more
Sorry for the miss spell ,I was to busy laughing
#4 Matfield; #10 Naas Botha; #13 Danie Gerber
dunno about Naas over Dan Carter though
Dunno about Gerber over O’driscoll
Danie Gerber
Eales is the Greatest Lock forward ever produced in world rugby……and I’m a ALL Black diehard!!…….Brodie Retallick and Eben Etzebeth are a close second in my books…..they would roll Martin Johnson all day!!!
U made mistake on the number 9 position, I think joost van der westhuizen deserves it
Van der Westhuizen was great indeed but Gareth Edwards was better all round, voted best player of all time in one major poll. He and Colin Meads (who should be included here) were towering figures.
@@mizofan How was he better all round!? Joost scored 38 test tries in 89 tests as a scrumhalf. He had the size and bulk of a flanker, the pace of a wing, could sidestep and manufacture tries from the scrumhalf position that Gareth Edwards could only ever have dreamed about and had a killer pass on him. Apart from that his defense is legendary, just ask Jonah Lomu.
Do one for each country World Cup era, All Blacks, Wallabies, Springboks, England and Ireland atleast
Karl hayman, Johnny Wilkinson, Paul o connell, conrad Smith,
Good team.
But Danie Gerber must be in thare
1- Os Du Randt 2- Dane Coles 3- Carl Hayman 4- John Eales (VC) 5- Brodie Retallick 6- Michael Jones 7- Richie McCaw (C) 8- Zinzan Brooke 9- Joost Van Der Westhuizen 10- Dan Carter 11- Jonah Lomu 12- Mike Gibson 13- Danny Gerber 14- Rupeni Caucaunibuca 15- Christian Cullen Res: 16- Ken Gray 17- Sean Fitzpatrick 18- Flippie Van Der Merwe 19- Sam Whitelock 20- Kieran Read 21- Aaron Smith 22- Beauden Barrett 23- Serge Blanco Coaches : Steve Hansen Wayne Smith Joe Schmidt
Danie Gerber has to be included. Best SA wing in my opinion was Ray Mordt
Carel du Plessis
Just who I've been alive and old enough to see play
1. DuRandt
2. Fitzpatrick
3. Roncero
4. Retallick (As a player, Johnson as a leader)
5. Eales
6. Hill (Didn't see enough of Jones as he was coming towards the end of his career)
7. McCaw
8. Parisse (Really wanted to put Scott Quinnell here)
9. Joost
10. Carter
11. Campese
12. Horan
13. Sella
14. Shane (Closest call of all so went with National bias. Lomu or any of the turn of the century NZ wingers could be here)
15. Cullen (Again only caught the tail end of Blanco)
Now if you had asked my Nan who was more knowledgeable about rugby that anyone i've ever met (But insanely Bias) it's the Pontypool Front row, McBryde, Meads, Rives, David, Mervyn, Edwards, John, Gibson and Dawes centre, Gerald, JJ and JPR back 3 with Delme, John Taylor, Quinnell, Chico Hopkins, Bennett all unlucky to miss out
BOD
Some rose tinted specs here? Dallaglio? Leonard? Good yes, great possibly, GOAT- no way!
Who is the captain???
Danie Gerber Best 13.
Looks more like Greatest of all time pre-2000 to me, for the most part.
In 10 years i can see Brodie Reallick, Stuart Hogg, Faf de Klerk, tadgh Furlong and AWJ being VERY close to this list
Hogg ….. now that is hilarious.
Faf is useless
I would pick
1. Os du Randt
2. Sean Fitzpatrick
3. Carl Hayman
4. Colin Meads
5. John Eales
6. Michael Jones
7. Richie McCaw
8. Zinzan Brooke(Soon to be replaced by Read)
9. Gareth Edwards
10. Dan Carter
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Tim Horan
13. Brian O'driscoll
14. JPR Williams(He's a fullback, but whatever)
15. Christian Cullen
16. Keven Mealamu
17. Tony Woodcock
18. Jason Leonard
19. Frik Du Preez
20. Kieran Read
21. George Gregan
22. Stephen Larkham
23. Danie Gerber
This is even a dummer list...
Danie Gerber? Naas Botha?
You can debate many positions but not nr 1, Os du Randt. Jannie du Plessis said the 1st time he scrummed against Os it felt like he got pins and needles in his eyes.