I would be interested to know which Calvinistic fatalist first coined the term “Doctrines of Grace”? That term is nowhere to be found in scripture. Could it be that it is being used to fool people who refuse to be “good Bereans” to see if the doctrines being espoused are truly related to the grace of God or to Jesus, who is full of grace and truth? ✝️🙏🏼🍞🍷
Oh I finally get it! So if you sum it all up I sounds like this! Would this be a suitable way to explain it to our children? Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved. We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you. Take comfort knowing that we are not like God. We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did. So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God? So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you. Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases.
He actually believes the number of the elect are like the sands of the sea, I.e., billions. Nice try though. You are clearly not listening. No reformed person ever said a minority is saved.
One big mistake you are obviously making is assuming that you are saved by your sovereign will. Please don't assume that you are saved, especially since you directly reject the gospel, which includes "Christ died for our sins" Paul and the other brethren who have the same Father, born from Above.
@@pertinentpoint767 You see I have placed MY Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, I believe. My Salvation comes in that. You don't need Christ in your mind at all. So you have replaced Christ with "Election" You have replaced the GOOD NEWS GOSPEL with the DEMONIC BAD NEWS GOSPEL of men! And so fools rush in, wise in their own eyes, they embrace satans lie.
@@donreed8378 Mr Don, you folks always label it calvinist and even those who believe in election label it calvinist. I do NOT accept calvin at ALL --- so what am l missing? I believe in the absolute sovereignty of God --- what do you hate about THAT? No one EVER tells me what they hate God does as HE pleases and HIS council WILL be DONE
Your right, we're not supposed to lie to people and give them false hope. We are to share the Gospel and leave the rest to God. The doctrines of Grace are the Gospel.
First of all, there can be an argument for Jesus dying for everyone while only paying for the sins of the elect, but I doubt you care to hear that Second, it doesn’t follow that there is no gospel. The gospel is that whoever repents and believes will be saved through Jesus Christ. Not sure how Calvinists don’t hold to that gospel
Come and listen to a story of a preacher named White, Fervent Bible thumper, but still far from the limelight, Thought hunting Mormons was the way for him to go, so he went to Salt Lake and put on quite a show. Kolob. Moroni. The Disappearing Plates. Some took notice, but not enough for White, For most Protestants, he still was out of sight, Then one day he was shooting at a Saint; he missed the target, but that miss led him straight. The Scarlet Woman. The Whore of Babylon. The evil of the Pope. Next thing you know, Jimmy White is everywhere, debating Sungenis, Pacwa, and any Catholic who'd dare. The money's pouring in, enough to start a show, and soon White is famous from here to Buffalo. But something, somewhere sent old Jimmy round the bend, now he drives an RV and mutters 'bout the end, when Thomas is taught in every school, and everyone realizes Catholics aren't fools.
The bottom line is whether a loving God has blocked hearing from him who does not respond and then judged that one for not responding. See the circularity? Repent..But I can’t, you won’t let me…Ok, your blood be upon your own head. Funny also that all the translators got it wrong to the point Dr White has to redo the job.. after all these years too!
Where is the fallacious circularity of God being free to call morally dead rebellious sinners to repent, something that they cannot possibly do on their own?
The bottom line is what scripture says. Jesus very clearly preached repentance and faith in Him for salvation. But He also said "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." (John 6:37-39) "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." (John 6:44). He said all that the Father gives to Him will come to Him and the one who comes to Him will not be cast out. We definitely see people in the Bible being cast out. Some people will go to hell because they did not come to Jesus. Since all that the Father gives to Jesus will come to Jesus, those people were not given by the Father to Jesus or else they would have come to Jesus. The Father did not draw them to Jesus so they did not come to Jesus. He could draw them couldn't He? But He allowed them to stay in the condition they were already in. "Whoever does not believe is condemned already" (John 3:18) "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1) The Bible specifically says God does block some people from hearing and responding. Matthew 13 tells of a disciple who asked Jesus why He spoke in parables. Why didn't Jesus just say everything plainly? It specifically says it's so they will not hear, so they will not believe, so they will not turn. God is free to tell a person to repent and then not do anything further for them. He is not required to explain anything, or to adjust anything, or to be gracious to them in any way. Remember the Bible also commands us to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. Do you have that ability? Are you okay with the fact that God has made this commandment but did not grant us the ability to do it? The Bible also tells us to be holy as God is holy. Thank God Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly and always pleased the Father. Thank God that His righteousness and obedience are mine by faith. Thank God that He chooses some sinners to demonstrate His grace and mercy on. Don't find yourself in the position of blaming God for unfairness. You will find yourself in the exact same situation as the objector in Romans 9. You don't want to be the person objecting to scripture. "You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:19-24)
Imagine this, you just gave us an example of this concept in real time. Some hear His message and understand, other simply cannot grasp the connection. You did the same thing with the message you just heard from Dr White, while he explained very clearly, slowly, and with logic, you simply refuse to grasp the connection. That is how it works, thank you for the precise example you have given. It may help others relate to how we do this all the time.
@@firstnamelastname2552 Amen. You probably would not be surprised how me people tell me that that would make God a Monster. It's scripture, not my personal opinion. Looking back to the Synod of Dort...how many Pastors came together to actually refute the Remonstrance. They don't teach like that anymore. When l was first Born Again the couple churches l tried openly said that Calvinism is an evil false doctrine and told me that l was mistaken in how l claimed l was saved. That maybe a Pastor came to my door that l don't remember. I heard the Gospel my whole life, and believed, but needed to be Born Again...and it wasn't anything l did. I am Soo grateful to God, and am Reformed because l know what happened. God Bless. 📖🌷
Our job as a Christian not to save anyone, our job only to tell the truth , that all
Correct. Because we can't save anyone
YOU DON'THAVE ANY TRUTH,YOU THINK YOU DO BRAINWASHED.
Nothing tops that! That is The Faith once delivered unto the Saints!
God forgive me for not seeing it sooner than I did. What arrogance 🥲
Thank you Dr White for all you do to teach a right understanding of scripture
This is the best teaching I ever heard, God blessed you Mr James White 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@larsbeauregard I didn’t bow to any human being , I just agree with his teachings. The true teachings is very 2 important .
@@andrewlawrencei3239
You are hiding what you really want to say?
It was a blessing to have Dr. White here at Twelve 5 Church.
I thought it was my tv
Awesome message. Praise God
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...
Excellent preaching brother God blessed His words 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
This blessed me so much 🙏🙏
It's ALL about God
MONERGism 101-) All things from HIM through HIM and go HIM; go ..¿Who then.!. be the Glory, forever and ever. Amen.
Because of the pauses and the voice not in sync with the video. I found it best to listen but not watch this excellent message.
The audio has some serious problems. It is fading in and out at points and it is out of sync. Very distracting.
I would be interested to know which Calvinistic fatalist first coined the term “Doctrines of Grace”? That term is nowhere to be found in scripture. Could it be that it is being used to fool people who refuse to be “good Bereans” to see if the doctrines being espoused are truly related to the grace of God or to Jesus, who is full of grace and truth? ✝️🙏🏼🍞🍷
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Why are they blocking things Dr White says?
@Sharon Parker
Nothing is blocked, the video and audio are out of sync, so there are gaps, but nothing is lost.
Thanks, Saint White. How do you apply Matthew 7:6 to evangelism?
What are you implying?
Oh I finally get it! So if you sum it all up I sounds like this! Would this be a suitable way to explain it to our children?
Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved.
We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you.
Take comfort knowing that we are not like God.
We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did.
So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God?
So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you.
Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you-if you find yourself in hell-that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases.
He actually believes the number of the elect are like the sands of the sea, I.e., billions. Nice try though. You are clearly not listening. No reformed person ever said a minority is saved.
Wow this is awful lol you don’t even care to listen
@@timothyvenable3336 No you listen. What I posted above is the hideous heresy of Calvinism. It is a cult and absolute Blasphemy!
One big mistake you are obviously making is assuming that you are saved by your sovereign will. Please don't assume that you are saved, especially since you directly reject the gospel, which includes "Christ died for our sins" Paul and the other brethren who have the same Father, born from Above.
@@pertinentpoint767 You see I have placed MY Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, I believe. My Salvation comes in that.
You don't need Christ in your mind at all. So you have replaced Christ with "Election"
You have replaced the GOOD NEWS GOSPEL with the DEMONIC BAD NEWS GOSPEL of men!
And so fools rush in, wise in their own eyes, they embrace satans lie.
Sir, why do seemingly good preachers HATE election predestination etc?? I wonder if they are even saved😢
No Christian hates predestination and election they just hate the false way Calvinists believe them
@@donreed8378 Mr Don, you folks always label it calvinist and even those who believe in election label it calvinist. I do NOT accept calvin at ALL --- so what am l missing?
I believe in the absolute sovereignty of God --- what do you hate about THAT? No one EVER tells me what they hate
God does as HE pleases and HIS council WILL be DONE
@@donreed8378you believe it the same way, just another route, unless you’re an open theist.
The Calvinist can never tell someone that Jesus died for them and that's a fact, there is no gospel in calvinism
Your right, we're not supposed to lie to people and give them false hope. We are to share the Gospel and leave the rest to God. The doctrines of Grace are the Gospel.
I would imagine that someone preaching the Gospel would share that one must repent and believe, and that Christ died for sinners.
First of all, there can be an argument for Jesus dying for everyone while only paying for the sins of the elect, but I doubt you care to hear that
Second, it doesn’t follow that there is no gospel. The gospel is that whoever repents and believes will be saved through Jesus Christ. Not sure how Calvinists don’t hold to that gospel
Come and listen to a story of a preacher named White,
Fervent Bible thumper, but still far from the limelight,
Thought hunting Mormons was the way for him to go, so he went to Salt Lake and put on quite a show.
Kolob. Moroni. The Disappearing Plates.
Some took notice, but not enough for White,
For most Protestants, he still was out of sight,
Then one day he was shooting at a Saint; he missed the target, but that miss led him straight.
The Scarlet Woman. The Whore of Babylon. The evil of the Pope.
Next thing you know, Jimmy White is everywhere, debating Sungenis, Pacwa, and any Catholic who'd dare. The money's pouring in, enough to start a show, and soon White is famous from here to Buffalo.
But something, somewhere sent old Jimmy round the bend, now he drives an RV and mutters 'bout the end, when Thomas is taught in every school, and everyone realizes Catholics aren't fools.
Poor soul!
Papists are fools, though.
Ah yes, the John Calvin cult!
The bottom line is whether a loving God has blocked hearing from him who does not respond and then judged that one for not responding. See the circularity? Repent..But I can’t, you won’t let me…Ok, your blood be upon your own head.
Funny also that all the translators got it wrong to the point Dr White has to redo the job.. after all these years too!
Where is the fallacious circularity of God being free to call morally dead rebellious sinners to repent, something that they cannot possibly do on their own?
@@TheApologeticDog Amen absolutely
The bottom line is what scripture says. Jesus very clearly preached repentance and faith in Him for salvation. But He also said "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." (John 6:37-39)
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." (John 6:44).
He said all that the Father gives to Him will come to Him and the one who comes to Him will not be cast out. We definitely see people in the Bible being cast out. Some people will go to hell because they did not come to Jesus. Since all that the Father gives to Jesus will come to Jesus, those people were not given by the Father to Jesus or else they would have come to Jesus. The Father did not draw them to Jesus so they did not come to Jesus. He could draw them couldn't He? But He allowed them to stay in the condition they were already in.
"Whoever does not believe is condemned already" (John 3:18)
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1)
The Bible specifically says God does block some people from hearing and responding. Matthew 13 tells of a disciple who asked Jesus why He spoke in parables. Why didn't Jesus just say everything plainly? It specifically says it's so they will not hear, so they will not believe, so they will not turn. God is free to tell a person to repent and then not do anything further for them. He is not required to explain anything, or to adjust anything, or to be gracious to them in any way. Remember the Bible also commands us to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength. Do you have that ability? Are you okay with the fact that God has made this commandment but did not grant us the ability to do it? The Bible also tells us to be holy as God is holy. Thank God Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly and always pleased the Father. Thank God that His righteousness and obedience are mine by faith. Thank God that He chooses some sinners to demonstrate His grace and mercy on. Don't find yourself in the position of blaming God for unfairness. You will find yourself in the exact same situation as the objector in Romans 9. You don't want to be the person objecting to scripture.
"You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:19-24)
Imagine this, you just gave us an example of this concept in real time. Some hear His message and understand, other simply cannot grasp the connection. You did the same thing with the message you just heard from Dr White, while he explained very clearly, slowly, and with logic, you simply refuse to grasp the connection. That is how it works, thank you for the precise example you have given. It may help others relate to how we do this all the time.
@@firstnamelastname2552 Amen. You probably would not be surprised how me people tell me that that would make God a Monster. It's scripture, not my personal opinion. Looking back to the Synod of Dort...how many Pastors came together to actually refute the Remonstrance. They don't teach like that anymore. When l was first Born Again the couple churches l tried openly said that Calvinism is an evil false doctrine and told me that l was mistaken in how l claimed l was saved. That maybe a Pastor came to my door that l don't remember. I heard the Gospel my whole life, and believed, but needed to be Born Again...and it wasn't anything l did. I am Soo grateful to God, and am Reformed because l know what happened. God Bless. 📖🌷