Do Wives Have to Be Submissive?
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2023
- "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)
Woah! Come again?
On the list of controversial and misunderstood Bible verses, this is near the top. When it swings through in the cycle of Mass readings, folks are often left in the pew looking at each other like, "Did anyone else just hear what St. Paul said?"
If you'll let Fr. Mike explain this scripture passage, it will transform the way you understand Christian marriage (for the better).
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If you continue to read the chapter, it also tells husbands to treat their wives as they would their own flesh, to love their wives as Christ loves the church, and they will become one flesh. Read the whole thing and you will understand how submitting as a wife is easy when the husband loves and treats you as the scripture says. I’ve seen too many marriages fail because the husband doesn’t read the rest of the chapter. 44 years of marriage to a wonderful, faithful man ❤ God Bless!
It is actually women who willfully leave most marriages for the reason of "irreconcilable differences." That is a fact. Divorce is a choice that whoever files for the divorce must answer to God for.
Yes, it is easier to submit to a rightly ordered man. But Scripture doesn't set the bar for us that low.
Read what Papa St. Peter tells women who have converted, but who were married to pagans prior to their conversion:
1 Peter 3:1-6 (St. Peter)
In like manner also let wives be subject to their husbands: that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word, by the conversation of the wives. Considering your chaste conversation with fear. Whose adorning let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: But the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and a meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:
As Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, doing well, and not fearing any disturbance...
We're all in need of deeper conversion. The Gospel and the world will always be at odds.
And no, this does not mean you have to stick around someone who puts your life or your kids' lives at risk.
That's a different story.
@KaraOwensb8akaratn Obviously I'm talking about 99% of divorces, not ones where a spouse fears for their life. That should be obvious.
@KaraOwensb8akaratn No I'm speaking in general terms, not absolutist terms. It is assumed in a discussion or argument that generalities are being spoken of. This is basic dialectic knowledge.
Exactly. 😊
You said it better than Fr. 😊
I am going through a divorce. My estranged wife and I converted to Catholicism about a year ago but unfortunately we didn't survive. I feel a great deal of guilt in how I failed her. I fear now her life is one following a path away from our God and faith and I feel guilt for it all. Pray for her. God bless
Keep praying for her. It isn't over yet.
praying for u
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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That was an incredibly humble response. God is a God of miracles!
Adam failed Eve by standing there and saying nothing.
The comparison in the passage emphasizes one with submission and the other to literally love to death.
There is an emphasis on who leads the family. That doesn't mean there isn't discussion or trust, that always needs to be there. That also doesn't mean that the man makes all the decisions. There is an authority structure the church emphasizes and the one most responsible for the spiritual well being of the family is on the husband. As shown by the failing of Adam and the perfection of Christ.
The fact priests are afraid to read this passage in mass is a sign we aren't willing to battle the woman centric culture we live in. Media commonly shows men as imbeciles, not smart, and unable to do basics things without a woman. Feminism pushes that there really isn't a difference, and for many, colors this passage for them.
“Outdo one another in showing honor” Rom 12:9-10
Romans 12 kJV
9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
Colossians 1 kJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
I’m praying to be a good husband like St.Jospeh ❤ I’m in love with this woman who loves Jesus.
She must submit to your love for her.
"She must submit to your love for her." We don't even know that they are together lol.
i feel you will be
@@laurants
Nothing could be more unscriptural than that.
1 Peter 3 says that wives must submit to ANY husband because the husband IS head of the wife .
Simple. Yes. As scripture says. Father, do not be afraid to offend people. God will reward you when speaking the truth.
JMJ
Ephesians 1 kJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
1 Corinthians 15 kJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Peter 1 kJV
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Romans 3 kJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
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1 John 5 kJV
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
you didn't listen to what he said right?
Agree!! This video sounds nervous, which I understand to a degree. But we must also defend the Bible and Christ's teachings where they sound awkward to current western society.
Are you listening to him? He is literally quoting the Bible. This is not about offending people, this is about logic and reasoning while using the text of our Holy book.
Western priests and preachers have lost backbone. In the East priests have no issue saying wives must submit
The Catechism of Trent, the pope who saw fit to approve it, and centuries of bishops all agreed that submission in Ephesians 5 means that the wife must submit in all things not sin. The submission of the husband is laid out by Paul within the chapter as a laying down of his life, wants, and even needs at times, for the good of his wife. We need to remember that this chapter and the context of this verse of submitting one to another also talks about children submitting to parents, so if submitting one to another gets women out of it then it probably gets kids out of it as well, but that's clearly not Paul's intentions with submitting one to another, nor is that how any of the Early Church Father's, or bishops for two thousand years of Catholic history understood it before a minority of Bishops In the late 20th century, mostly located in the west, decided that maybe that verse doesn't mean what everyone else since Paul thought it mean. Submission in all things not sin is what everyone before the 20th century thought it meant, those who disagree with that are disagreeing with two thousand years of tradition.
Man I love the clarity of that catechism
Be careful with this line of thought. True, wives being submissive of their husbands authority is called for, but you cannot allow this to degrade the dignity of inherent human rights, namely the ability of the wife to debate equally with her husband on matters. Now ultimately, the husband is meant to have the final say, but it would be deeply, deeply, wrong and actually sinful for him not to give his wife serious consideration. As Fr. Schmitz said, the wife should WANT to be submissive because her husband is a leader who is ready to lay down his life for her and love her as...wait...get this...Jesus loves his Church!!! Also, I think v. 33 is very enlightening as it uses the word "respect" instead of "submissive" which rightfully, doesn't sound as debasing.
@@mram03 the bible makes it clear that it is grave matter for a husband to mistreat his wife or abuse his authority. He is to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. That's true and does nothing to invalidate anything that I said. Also, while she should want to submit, and it is ideally in the context of him being loving, there is no exception clause given in scripture or tradition where if she doesn't agree or feel loved that she can disobey freely, that would be grave matter for her as well. She must obey in all things not sin, that is what the bible says and what the tradition of two thousand years has taught.
Well said! Also, the Catechism of Trent is infallible.
@@JudeMichaelPeterson Amen.
St. John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, urges husbands to say this to their wives: "I have taken you in my arms, and I love you, and I prefer you to my life itself. For the present life is nothing, and my most ardent dream is to spend it with you in such a way that we may be assured of not being separated in the life reserved for us.... I place your love above all things, and nothing would be more bitter or painful to me than to be of a different mind than you." CCC 2365
St. John Chrysostom also warns in his commentary on this passage of Sacred Scripture:
"For great evils are hence produced, and great benefits, both to families and to states. For there is nothing which so welds our life together as the love of man and wife. For this many will lay aside even their arms, for this they will give up life itself. And Paul would never without a reason and without an object have spent so much pains on this subject, as when he says here, Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. And why so? Because when they are in harmony, the children are well brought up, and the domestics are in good order, and neighbors, and friends, and relations enjoy the fragrance. But if it be otherwise, all is turned upside down, and thrown into confusion. And just as when the generals of an army are at peace one with another, all things are in due subordination, whereas on the other hand, if they are at variance, everything is turned upside down; so, I say, is it also here. Wherefore, says he, Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."
Why did Adam let the serpent into the garden to tempt Eve? I guess maybe he was sleeping on the job and not protecting his wife.
@@user-by7kz9mg7q True. Adam failed to keep his covenant with GOD by failing to protect his wife. That's why original sin is called "Adam's sin" or "Adam and Eve's sin" but not simply "Eve's sin."
@@NaruIchiLuffy Yes, be subject "as unto the Lord" What woman would not WANT to be subject to a man who would die for her literally and does die for her figuratively every day?
@@jamesreisch4156 Yes, it is! Thank you! What woman would not WANT to be subject to a man who professed such desires? What person would not want to be subject to a Redeemer who loves us this much and more!
The normal understanding of the word "submit" and "lead" is understood in other areas. Fr. Mike knows this - he submits to the orders of the bishop if the bishop reassigns him to another parish, for example. Everyone understands a CEO of a company makes decisions as part of true leadership.
Yep.
In this case, there must be word play, bc this is how deeply entrenched feminism is, even in otherwise orthodox circles of Catholicism. I say that with heartfelt regret at having heard this podcast bc I'm a huge fan of Fr Schmitz.
There's a difference, a CEO of company in some cases has to work his way up the ladder making the right decisions, and if he becomes a CEO he must keep making those right decisions , or he might find himself replaced or he might find himself out of job. Husband not so much. And sure he can confess his sins for being idiot,but he'll still has that job - and that wont fix the damage that was done.
Yes, but it's generally considered wrong for the CEO to have sex with people who work for him. Power imbalance and all.
@@sitka49 Exactly!
It was not till nearly three years of marriage that my wife and I intentionally shifted towards the CLEAR and REDUNDANT description of authority and roles in scripture, namely that of a man being the head of his wife, that we both starting overcoming many vices and growing virtue in many of the weaker areas of our life. The virtue necessary for me to lead my family well is the same virtue I must perfect in my soul for the beatific vision. The trust my wife places in me mirrors and aids her trust in God. When I would let her lead at the beginning of our marriage I was an unattractive, passive, slouch and my wife called herself "independent to a fault" and was very unhappy. Perhaps this is such a repetitive theme in Scripture because of how important it is; true family leadership mirrors the trinity and is aided by grace from heaven. Besides, the typical modern way of doing it is just flatly unattractive and vicious.
That’s so awesome!!! When did you know it was time to change and how did you approach it to your wife? Was there any resistance? How long did that process take? What were some things at first she was reluctant to change and how did y’all go about changing that?
Sorry for the questions, I’m just going through a similar situation currently and God is awesome and this video is here.
@@seanmcelroy9774 it can take awhile to get yourself and your wife right, in our day and age the feminist brainwashing starts at birth and runs very deep.
I am somewhat in the same position, I have a generally great wife, but that feminist desire to disobey is always lurking below the surface.
It’s really hard to break that lifelong conditioning.
@@reggiejenkins6458 For sure! I would just recommend you build virtues up in yourself and eventually grow the trust between yourself and your wife. The scripture is clear about the roles and that can be tackled in time. Love your wife and build her up, don't be just the "king" of the home, be "priest" and "prophet" as well.
Yup. It's not easy to understand what submission genuinely means in a mutually loving and respectful relationship unless the man is actually doing his best to be virtuous. Good on you for turning yourself and your relationship around!
@@reggiejenkins6458 thanks for sharing
Recent revert from Calvinism here 👋🏼 Fr. Mike, many of your videos have been so helpful to me and I thank you for that. But this is very concerning. One of the main reasons I and many other serious, Bible reading Protestant women are drawn to Catholicism is that the Church is the only remaining bastion of truth with the ability to speak authoritatively on our behalf to protect us from feminism. Scripture and Tradition are clear that wives are to be keepers of the home, submit to their husbands, and raise + educate the children. Blurring the lines here leaves us open to exploitation by giving husband leeway to demand that their wives enter the workforce and take on a leadership role in the family. We are suffering a crisis of men abdicating their God given role as family leader and provider and women + childrens health and well-being is suffering. I pray that you will reconsider this presentation of wifely submission and not be ashamed to present this part of the gospel plainly🙏🏼 blessings
While you make an excellent point, I do not think that Fr. Mike was saying that a husband should force his wife to enter the workforce. His explanation was a servant-mission - that husbands and wives are called to SERVE each other like Christ served the church - in other words to be sacrificial for and towards each other. It is not one-sided, and there is no forcing one person to do another's bidding, but rather to serve each other out of great love.
@@shawnmurphy7778exactly. Thank you
THANK YOU! We live in a time so destabilized that very nature of what a man is and what a woman is "controversial". This egalitarian form of marriage was tried in America and utterly failed, it renders the words "Husband" and "Wife" meaningless and roles interchangeable. This is a recipe for divorce. People may get uncomfortable by the word but the truth is that the best word to describe what a Catholic marriage is supposed to look like is Patriarchal. The same way our Catholic Church is Patriarchal. Not domination but instead male leadership/protection/providing. Not slavery-like subservience but instead loving/respectful submission to your husband. Not dual heads of the house/family. One head the husband, and one heart the wife.
@@shawnmurphy7778 It's only "forcing" if the wife ignores the authority of the husband in the first place (which is grave matter).
@@brandonernst15 Yes, Catholic marriage is patriarchal. It needs to be said more.
The Catholic Church to the world, their teachings is very unique and direct from the scriptures without any compromise. Wife summit to your husband, husband love your wife just as Chris loved the church according to St Paul.
Chris who?
@@JudeMichaelPeterson haha that Chris is a mighty lover. Don't ya know him? :D
😂
Fr Mike, I know you like The Office, so i’d recommend you watch the episode(s) where Jim and Michael are “co-managers”. We can see that it simply doesn’t work when there is a disagreement. We can call it “co-management” but Michael ultimately had the final say.
Gorwing up, my father and mother took on more "traditional" gender roles, so to speak. Father worked full time, mom stayed home to be a housewife. Funnily enough, my father never acted as though it was my mother's "duty" to "make him a sandwich" so to speak. He was very kind, loving, and gentle. While my mother did the chores around the house, he made money and helped with other chores around the house when he could. As I grew older, I learned that my mom handled the money, bills, and bank account(s), while dad handled retirement funds. Sometimes, my mother would notice something would need fixing around the house, and she would fix it herself. Sometimes, my dad would fix it. In addition, my mother was the one who got my father to convert to the Catholic church. It was through her urging him and teaching him about the faith, that he not only came back to the church, but also learned a lot about the church and its teachings and history. It was her spiritual influence that brought my father back to Christ.
The point I'm trying to make: we get SO bogged down with buzz word(s) such as "submission" that I think we forget (or maybe we are lead to believe) that the man does not always have have direct authority in a relationship, particularly if the decisions lead the family astray. It is the responsibility of both husband and wife to ensure the safety and survival of the family. Women cannot simply obey their husbands who are making decisions that are destructive to their families. My parents are the most devout Catholics I know, and they have shown me time and time again that marriage is not one leading over another, but instead it's a team of two individuals, who support one another and push each other to be better, everyday, and who each bring unique qualities to the relationship. My father did not exercise a "final say" in matters where decisions needed to be made for the family. He and my mother always worked them out together. There was respect that each had. Both lead the household, together. And guess what? I think their relationship with God, and the strength of their Catholic faith, has grown so strong over the years. Both my parents submitted themselves to each other. And both would listen to one another, and make decisions together, understanding that both brought unique skills, talents, and understanding to the table. Both worked to protect the family household. The idea that women need to "obey" thier husbands at all times, is the wrong approach to the idea of submission.
Sounds cute, warm and fuzzy and all, but wives are indeed told to obey by Saint Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, whereas husbands are not. There's no more discussion needed about this, and no amount of anecdote will change this.
@@AluminiumT6 agree to disagree. I think the interpretation of "obey" and "be loyal" and "submissive" is one that has flexed and changed throughout time, and I know not what the church's stance is on this, but I guarantee that they would not disagree with mothers and wives working in unison to lead their families.
@@jgmez98 "I think the interpretation of 'obey' has changed over the years" - No, not really. We know well the meaning of obedience in other hierarchical structures, in the Church hierarchy, in the military, in companies, etc. Feminists just refuse to accept that it also exists in the family. We also know the historical meaning of obedience in the private lives of Catholics for millennia, so the classical patriarchal form of marriage is well-established historically. Scrolling through the comments here, and online there will be multiple supporting passages from Scripture, doctrine, Church Fathers and Popes.
And I think the issue is not so much about who "works" or how, as it is about authority (which etymologically has something to do with the "teaching force of the one who authors") so when someone has proper authority, obedience is somewhat implicit (i.e. there's very little need for ordering around). Sounds like it could be the case with your parents.
@@AluminiumT6”Slaves obey your masters” enough said. There are things that are products of their time. The Bible was written when people could be property through slavery. We no longer consider that moral. The Bible was written when women were property. Women aren’t property anymore, as much as you wish they were. Some things were written as a result of temporal customs. If you don’t think that is true, please explain why “slaves obey your masters” no longer applies but somehow marital servitude does.
@@kathleenbrown5167 A Christian marriage isn't a product of the time, it's a divine institution and a sacrament. The order continues, husbands whose authority is well-respected by their wives are not treating them as property, so comparing it to slavery is ridiculous and foolish.
"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior" (Ephesians 5:23)
Does Christ "mutually submit" to the church? Does Christ follow the lead of the church or does the church follow the lead of Christ?
Christ submitted to our needs by laying His life down. So in a sense yes, but not in any sense those pushing mutual submission would have us believe. Paul lays out exactly what submission of the husband to the wife looks like in Ephesians 5 and it is clearly not him submitting to her in the sense that she rules over him, it is him laying his life down for her as Christ did for us. But she IS to submit to him in the rulership sense in all things not sin. The context of the verse also talks about children submitting to their parents as well, so if we say that the mutual submission verse makes it so wives don't need to submit on their husbands as rulers then I suppose children don't need to submit to their parents that way either.
The degree of tyrannical debauchery obvious in anyone who would presume to give another adult human being orders is by definition unholy. You're claiming that fathers get to lie to, deceive, bully, destroy in every way possible their own children because the children are called to submit to them. That destruction, that abuse, that murder is exactly what men who claim that these verses get to make them boss do to women. You're claiming these verses mean you get to destroy other human beings. That destruction is what happens when one adult presumes to give orders to another.
@@kell_checks_inYou're gaslighting
@@YorktownUSA You have no idea what gaslighting means.
@@JudeMichaelPeterson You're quoting a long invalid and discredited Catechism.
Yes Father, a wife is meant to submit to her Husband in all things except sin. I learned the truth of this and the graces attached to this late in life, and I wish I had understood it as a young Bride.
God bless you.
Amén!
In other words, marriage is an evil disgusting institution that should not exist anywhere on the Earth, right?
Beyoncé wasted her time with you, eh?
We all need to be obedient to God first, His 10 commandments comes before anything or anyone.
I need to point out a few things Father. At 5:45 you state that Jesus did not lead by "being in charge or telling people what to do..." lol. I am simply a parishioner so I must submit to your authority Father Mike, however, I can say with 100% assurance that Jesus Christ did in fact use his authority to tell people what to do and how to live their lives.
You use the analogy of Christ to the Church, stating that Jesus sacrificed himself for the Church, which is correct, but Christ does not "submit" to the Church... the Church submits to Christ. Furthermore Father, our clerical structure (the system that you yourself are a part of), is Patriarchal (no female priests). I do agree that the responsibilities of a good husband involve self sacrifice, as doing so makes submission easier for a wife, but the same exists in reverse. A wife that submits to the authority of her husband will make self sacrifice on the part of the husband easier. I agree that men who overly fixate on their rights as husbands is problematic when not properly contextualized with a self sacrificial attitude, but a difficult cross to bear for a wife does not suddenly change the clear message we see in the New Testament regarding wifely submission. To cheapen the words of God in fear that the women in your pews will screech and not take well to the Biblical truth of marriage is problematic and placing in jeopardy the souls of the women not being told the truth. Women are strong enough to be told the truth that is evident in the Bible.
But don't take my word for it, see the following for further reading: Genesis 3:16, 1 Corinthians 11:3-7, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-15, 1 Peter 3:1-6, Colossians 3:18, Ephesians 5:33, 1 Peter 3:7, Romans 7:2.
Beautifully put! Thank you so much! Ave Maria! God Bless you and your family!
Sorry but that’s not what Fr Mike said, he said that JESUS didn’t say “I’m here to make the decisions, I’m in charge!” And that he didn’t make the decisions FOR us, he wasn’t in charge OF US. He served, and lets us choose whether we want to let him serve us and unite ourselves to him.
Additionally, if being mutually submissive means submitting oneself to the other’s mission, that mission is obviously whatever God has called them to. Christ can’t submit to “our mission” in the same sense as a husband because our mission is to unite with him, but he has done so, he has “served” our mission by dying for us. Nothing of what Fr Mike said is in error, we just have to look past our preconceptions in order to understand it.
@@steele8280 Thank you for such a thoughtful response! I had a few points to share in response.
It’s important to realize that even though Jesus does not make the decisions FOR us, we will still face the repercussions of a sinful lifestyle, be it in this life or the next.
Mutual submission is an oxymoron. If one party wants the lights on and another wants the lights off, someone is going to have to submit. That’s the point that people miss in the dynamic between a husband and wife. Yes, the husband has no authority to usurp the authority of God by demanding his wife engage in sin, but the Bible verses that I cite in my previous comment are clear. A husband is given this authority, meaning he is left liable for the state of his family. That’s why if children fall away from the faith, the person who will be liable for their failures is the father, not the mother. That is because the father has the authority in the home. Rights come with responsibilities, and people shying away from the clear message in the Bible are decoupling the clear connection we see between rights and responsibilities.
Ps: this is why being a priest is terrifying, because not only are you on the hook for your own soul, but possibly all the people that you might lead astray. The husband’s role is more challenging than the wife’s because of the terrifying repercussions should the wife or the children fall away from the faith. That is why submission is critical, because if there is no clear leader, a man’s mission to bring his children to heaven is made that much more difficult.
Anyways, hope all is well and God bless. I ask for your prayers should I be mistaken in my understanding of the verses I cite in my previous comment.
But Church is submissive to Christ who is the head.
Same as woman submits to husband, because he is the head of their union, of the family, he is the priest in the domestic church. Woman is not and if she is assuming the role, then it means that the man is failing as a leader. It also leads the woman out of her femininity.
This "mutual submission" is all very nice sentiment, but many men take it as a pass to be lazy leaders and women are miserable as a result along with their husbands and children. I dont want a man who is feminine and passive, I want a leader, I want a man who is not afraid to lead. Man is responsible for the entire family and that means that he makes the final decisions. He may take advice from his wife, but what he says goes. I as a woman dont want to bear the load of these heavy and difficult decisions. It is not my place and it is not my responsibility. As long as he is not suggesting a sinful thing, I want to obey him.
There are difficult and dominant women who do not understand it as it should be understood.
In marriage (just like in the Church) there is hierarchy. And if it is not respected, it is in turmoil. I hope that priests teach this more and more clearly, because it would help young couples so much. Not griping with powerstruggles in their marriages and stuff.
Thank you fr. Mike for this video, but in my opinion it was way more ambiguous than it should be. I think priests are afraid to tell women they should submit to their husbands. The truth is, submission will make us happy if we choose well. Our Lady was a submissive woman. We should follow her example. Not once did she assume st. Josephs role. She obeyed God and her husband and did not object to submission like many christian women who are in fact covert feminists.
Why should it be controversial to speak the truth about marriage? Because some women will get offended? The truth is offensive to stubborn people. So what? They will realize it, but only if somebody tells them what will happen to their marriage if they will try to be a head of the family alongside their husbands. It will not end well.
Please, dont be afraid.
You hit the nail on the head!! Agree with everything
I agree almost 100%. I think he brought up the whole "mutual submission" thing specifically as a counter to the kinds of men who like to focus on their "rights" as the head of the household, aka, who like to do the bare minimum for their families and be served the rest of the time. Perhaps this was a confusing turn of phrase, but considering that JP2 makes these same points using the term "mutual submission" I don't think father is necessarily in the wrong on this one.
@@inedanap6253 Ok, but JP2 made mutual submission up. The Bible says mutual subject, which is a different latin and greek phrase. You can subject your life down without being in submission. Submission means to be placed under. You can't be both under each other. So when the wife is told to be in submission to her husband, both in Eph and other places in the Bible, she is under her husband.
@@nicola489 Of course, sometimes God gives us such cross, however it is still an exception. Completely agree with you!
@@inedanap6253First of all, thank you for your comment, I appreciate it very much.
I think @pokenaut7803 said it very eloquently.
However I would like to add to it and reiterate that relationship between husband and wife should be the same as the relationship between Christ and the Church. Christ is the husband, Church is the wife. We as a Church submit to Him, it is never the other way around. In fact, this is what woke people are trying to do - make Our Lord submissive to us and the ideologies of our age. Which is not only blasphemy, but it is very disordered. And it is important to acknowledge that in order to keep our families not in some ambiguous gray area which leads to confusion and consequently to millions of ruined marriages, we need CLEAR guidance from our priests and bishops, based on the bible, natural law and authentic catholic teaching.
I completely agree with you, that husbands who only focus on their rights, but omit their duties are often a problem, but it doesnt mean that the woman has to turn into a man (will explain how mutual submission leads to that later). Prayer and submission to Gods will wins, always. Everyone has their own cross to bear. I noticed that in this video it is kind of the opposite of what you described. Fr. Mike only spoke about the duties of the husband, but not about his rights. You cant have one without the other. And in this case, his right is to be respected as a leader of the family.
One more thing is, that "mutual submission" is in a sense pandering to women (unfortunately). We are capable of following the right order of marriage, but over the last 50 years it seems more and more like priests (in order to not having to withstand criticism by feminists) are considering women unable to do that. This is insulting, even when you consider they often dont do it on purpose.
I understand that nowadays, our culture is so saturated with feminism, that it seeped deep even into the mindset of regular and otherwise very good catholic women ( I keep seeing this in many families in my area) and it often completely destroys relationships and turns the proper order on its head. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly.
Feminism is essentially a precursor to transgenderism, because it destroys natural hierarchy of the family and brings turmoil into it, blurring the lines between roles and swapping them. Mutual submission is actually leading to this - to transformation of the christian marriage into feminist secular marriage. Mutual submission blurs the line between the roles of a husband and wife in many areas and nobody is happy as a result. The wife hates that she has to be like a man and make tough decision, she is not allowed by the situation (sometimes the situation is a result of her own pride and not letting her husband lead her - a selfmade tragedy) to be feminine and it reflects on the way she treats her husband and her kids. The husband is often unsure of his role as a leader, because in mutual submission there is no leader, nobody to make decisions for the good of the family. It puts a strain on the husband and wifes relationship, because there is this powerstruggle, this tension that leads to more frequent fights. And what is even more damaging, the kids see all this and they suffer too.
Just as a disclaimer, I am not talking about situations when the husband is very ill and unable to fulfill his role of taking care of the family as he should and the wife has to do it instead. But even in these situations, if he is able to, the leadership and the decisions still belong to him. And considering the heavy load the wife in this situation has to bear, taking the hard decisions of her plate is a great help to her.
I realize this is a wall of text and I am kinda repeating myself a lot, but I hope these more fleshed-out reasons why mutual submission is not the best model for a family will bring more light into this discussion.
does christ submit to the church? is there mutual submission between the catholic church and Jesus Christ? i don’t think so. One submits, the other leads. mutual submission is not possible. so, a wife submits to her husband, as the church to christ.
Yep...Mike is just sugarcoating the truth
Yes, literal mutual submission is rationally impossible. His take is irrational.
Yes, God very much submits to Church, to people. He respects our free will. He came as a human and submitted to His earthly parents as a baby. He took on the death penalty we dealt Him, and died for our sins, including that very one. He comes in sacraments through the rituals He lead the Church to establish. He does all of this out of love and out of submission to God the Father. Yet at no point or in no sense any of that submission ever put Him lower in hierarchy than us. He laid down His life in service to His beloved Bride. He is the perfect example of what it means to serve through leadership.
@@Cationna which one is it? does Jesus submit to the Father or to us? his death on the cross was NOT submission to us. not at all
@@Cassie198 Multiple Popes disagree w JP2. and so does the Bible. that is scripture AND tradition
This is SO good!! I’m praying for my future husband and our future marriage 🤍
Father, I love you. You're such an inspiration in my life. But I think you're wrong in an aspect of this.
Perhaps ponder this question. Does the clergy mutually submit to the laity as the laity submits to the clergy? The domestic church has the same structure in my understanding.
May God bless you Father!
Yes, the clergy and laity mutually submit. Mutual does not mean equal, but rather, held in common. Primarily, both clergy and laity are called to submit fully to God (what they hold in common), but in unique ways based on their vocation. Secondarily, despite being an authority, a priest is called to far greater forms of submission to the laity than they are obligated to show him. Yet because of that service, the laity submit to the priest to cooperate with his mission of pastoral guidance and worship of God taking the role of the flock, and thus allowing themselves to be in a submissive position of being shepherded and provide help to their local churches thus aiding his mission.
What Fr. Mike described as a "race to the bottom" is called reciprocity. Christian submission is a positive feedback loop and a constant exchange of God's grace between the faithful as they continue to serve and be served by one another in accordance with the gifts God has given them.
@@benecliptus I don't disagree that the clergy serve the laity. I don't disagree that both submit to God. I don't disagree that we should out work each other in charity (race to the bottom).
But who has the authority? The clergy or the laity? It's the clergy, its dishonest to say otherwise. We submit to the clergy's authority, they do not submit to the laity. The laity don't hold ecumenical councils that the bishops then also have to submit to. We submit to the clergy even in prudential matters and not only binding dogma. If the bishop says, "no you can't get an annulment" the answer is final. There's nothing the laity can do except appeal to the bishop and ask him to change his mind. That's leadership, that's authority, that is the right of the bishop. Father's have this same authority over their families, that is, they make the decisions for their family.
@@nathanbustamante1525 I think you're missing the original point of the passage, which is not to "prove" Christ's authority nor to use Christ's authority to "prove" men's authority... it's to use Christ's servant leadership as an example to men of how to be leaders to their families.
@@nathanbustamante1525 I don't want to be too confrontational, but what are you talking about? I never argued the clergy don't have authority. In fact, I couched my response to you in acknowledging the authority of the clergy over the laity. Your question was about "mutual submission" not authority and I answered your question in the context of what was being discussed by Fr. Mike. Your comment makes zero sense in response to anything I wrote, because I don't disagree with clerical authority. Additionally to reduce the role of spousal authority down to "making decisions" is so reductive it's no wonder you missed the point of the video. Finally, I'd be careful about insinuating someone is being dishonest when it was you who shifted the goal post from mutual submission to authority.
@@benecliptus I'm sorry if I misunderstood your response. Your use of the word "submission" is confusing.
You said, "A priest is called to far greater forms of submission to the laity". I would not use the term "submission" here. I would use the term "service". The reason is that submission implies an authority over the one who is submitting.
My point was "no" the clergy does not submit to the laity. I thought this was obvious. But we are using the word "submit" in two different ways and quite frankly, the way you are using it doesn't make any sense.
I'm not reducing the authority of the husband to "making decisions". It's an example of how his authority manifests in the relationship. It's an easy one to imagine. If the husband wants to go right and the wife wants to go left, the husband has the final say. Simple. Similarly, if the bishops decide that every priest will read portions of theology of the body at their homily, the priests obey and the laity submits.
Father Mike seemed to deny that this is the normal authority structure in Christian Marriage. He seemed to say that men have the duty to sacrifice for the family without any of the rights that come with that authority.
Again, I'm sorry if I offended you. I wasn't trying to insinuate that you were being dishonest. That was poorly worded on my part.
Fr. God bless you. Thank you ❤🙏
Father, you aren't very clear on this. Constantly going back and forth with the idea of Christ leading his Church. Is this a yes or no?
Thank you for this video Father Mike. I was engaged and we planned a whole wedding last year, even with Ephesians 5 chosen for the second reading. In the final months, my fiance kept changing his career goals and multiple moves across the country would happen in the next 10 years. I expressed my concerns and fears, he more or less gave an ultimatum, I said I would go along with all of his plans, and then he still called off the wedding and stopped talking to me 3 weeks before the wedding. It's been 3 months but I am still struggling. Need to hold on to hope that a better man is out there for me. Please keep me in your prayers
I will Lindsey! I pray that you find a person who will love you as they love the Church! ❤️🩹✝️
I wish the Church would encourage men to be real leaders in their families. This just feels like the "walking together" explanation. Without a leader, the family will drift off course and never get to heaven.
What do you mean be real leaders?
@@johnrichter1956
Telling men to be "better" husbands is complete waste of time if wives are not reminded of their duties aynmore.
We are in a dead end because the Truth has been suppressed by clergymen.
I understand what Father Mike is trying to say. When he's talking about Mutual submission, he's not referring to who's head of the family. He's talking about when you decide to get married to one another, you're both submitting to one another only and you can't step outside of your marriage to other people. He's saying your commitment to one another is equal. You can't have a marriage where one spouse is committing and the other is not. The Bible is very clear that the man leads the family. The problem is people take the word submissive and think that you overlord over your family like a tyrant. That's not what you do. Being a man of your family doesn't mean that you know everything and to dismiss the ideas of your wife. To think that you know everything and you're always right leads a man to being prideful.
Women need to drop their pride also, being in a marriage doesn't mean you're a slave and that your husband has complete control over your every move. Feminism has brainwashed women into hating men. The reason why marriages don't work today is because there's so much pride and selfishness. I think father Mike is using the wrong terms.
Re. "hating" men, I think a few centuries of alcohol and drug abuse, gambling addictions, endless battery, endless economic exploitation, child neglect and adultery for days had a lot more to do with that than anything from feminism. Look up what kicked off the Temperance Movement, and then the fight to restore women's vote. It wasn't what *women* were doing.
@jamesreisch4156 agreed. As I stated in my comment, we hear all about husband's duties and wife's rights but not nearly enough of the wife's duties and husband's rights.
@one-who-has-no-name It is not a "man vs woman" debate. It is how you live your life for Christ, whether you are a man or a woman. If both of them surrender to Christ and His values, Christ will lead and the Holy Spirit will help the couple understand the Scripture in the right way and live it.
It’s time to stop blaming feminism for the problems that men caused. If women “hate” men then it’s time to get to the root of the problem. Find out what is the specific reason for women disliking men instead of just pinpointing the blame on feminism.
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WOMEN cause all the problems and men just follow them.
Adam and Eve , rings a bell ?
Feminism is satanic to the core. Letting Feminism in the church is the end of the church.
Father Mike... The name of this channel answers this whole question about the roles of men and women
Thanks for this perspective. Bless you 🙏🏿
Question Father Schmitz, please: Where do you find what you have exhorted among the Church Fathers' Scripture Commentaries and Sermons? Eph 5:21-24 et al.; 1 Cor 11:3-7; 1 Tim 2:11; 1 Tim 2:12; Titus 2:4-5; 1 Pet 3:1-6 Faith of our Fathers: Jer 6:16; Mal 3:6; Heb 13:7-9; James 1:17; Gal 1:6-12
Verse 21 is not about the Matrimony of spouses but the duty of Christians to one another. Verse 22 and so on address the order of Matrimony.
Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent
The Duties of Married People
The more easily to preserve the holy state (of marriage) from dissensions, the duties of husband and wife as inculcated by St. Paul and by the Prince of the Apostles must be explained.
Duties Of A Husband
It is the duty of the husband to treat his wife generously and honourably. It should not be forgotten that Eve was called by Adam his companion. The woman, he says, whom thou gavest me as a companion. Hence it was, according to the opinion of some of the holy Fathers, that she was formed not from the feet but from the side of man; as, on the other hand, she was not formed from his head, in order to give her to understand that it was not hers to command but to obey her husband.
The husband should also be constantly occupied in some honest pursuit with a view to provide necessaries for the support of his family and to avoid idleness, the root of almost every vice.
He is also to keep all his family in order, to correct their morals, and see that they faithfully discharge their duties.
Duties Of A Wife
On the other hand, the duties of a wife are thus summed up by the Prince of the Apostles: Let wives be subject to their husbands. that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word by the conversation of the wives, considering your chaste conversation with fear. Let not their adorning be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: but the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord.
To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be especial objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband's consent.
Again, and in this the conjugal union chiefly consists, let wives never forget that next to God they are to love their husbands, to esteem them above all others, yielding to them in all things not inconsistent with Christian piety, a willing and ready obedience.
Ben Sira 26:1-3,16-19,24
[1]HAPPY is the husband of a good wife: for the number of his years is double.
[2]A virtuous woman rejoiceth her husband: and shall fulfil the years of his life in peace.
[3]A good wife is a good portion, she shall be given in the portion of them that fear God, to a man for his good deeds.
[16]The grace of a diligent woman shall delight her husband, and shall fat his bones.
[17]Her discipline is the gift of God.
[18]Such is a wise and silent woman, and there is nothing so much worth as a well instructed soul.
[19]A holy and shamefaced woman is grace upon grace.
[24]As everlasting foundations upon a solid rock, so the commandments of God In the heart of a holy woman.
1 Timothy 2:9-14
[9]In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire:
[10]But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.
[11]Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.
[13]Adam was first formed; then Eve.
[14]And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 3:4-5,11
[4]One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.
[5]But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?
[11]The women in like manner: chaste, not slanderers, but sober, faithful in all things.
1 Corinthians 11:3,7-9
[3]But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.
[7]The man indeed ought not to cover his head: because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.
[8]For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
[9]For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.
Titus 2:3-5,9
[3]The aged women, in like manner, in holy attire, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teaching well:
[4]That they may teach the young women to be wise, to love their husbands, to love their children.
[5]To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands: that the word of God be not blasphemed.
[9]Exhort servants to be obedient to their masters: in all things pleasing, not gainsaying:
1 Peter 3:1-7
[1]In like manner also, let wives be subject to their husbands: that, if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word, by the conversation of the wives,
[2]Considering your chaste conversation with fear.
[3]Whose adorning, let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel:
[4]But the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptibility of a quiet and a meek spirit which is rich in the sight of God.
[5]For after this manner heretofore, the holy women also who trusted in God adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:
[6]As Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, doing well and not fearing any disturbance.
[7]Ye husbands, likewise dwelling with them according to knowledge, giving honour to the female as to the weaker vessel and as to the co-heirs of the grace of life: that your prayers be not hindered.
Ephesians 5:22-24,33
[22]Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:
[23]Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
[24]Therefore as the church is subject to Christ: so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things.
[33]Nevertheless, let every one of you in particular love for his wife as himself: And let the wife fear her husband.
Colossians 3:18-21
[18]Wives, be subject to your husbands, as it behoveth in the Lord.
[19]Husbands, love your wives and be not bitter towards them.
[20]Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing to the Lord.
[21]Fathers, provoke not your children to indignation, lest they be discouraged.
The scripture is overwhelmingly clear that women are under the authority of their husbands
What has happened to this once great priest? The world swallows another one. Why do we need the Church when it looks just like the world? No wonder ppl are leaving.
@@terrorists-are-among-us do u think st. paul is desperate? do u think st. paul is a bad man?
If you faithfully follow the entirety of scripture's teaching on marriage, then yes. If you're simply cherry picking to give yourself control then you're missing the point of marriage.
Authority as Jesus describes: A servant leader. Male and female were created with *equal dignity*.
@@marthap4833 yes a servant leader. but we submit to the servant leader. we submit to christ. does christ submit yo us? no. he serves us. he doesn’t submit mutually
This passage begs apologies and mental gymnastics only in this broken culture. Men are broken. This applies to priests who, feminized by homosexuality, don't seem to understand proper human relationships, as well as men in relationships with women who surrender their sanity at the false altar of feminism. This passage was never controversial until our society began this decline into madness, this sexual revolution, this war against nature.
I have a ton of respect for Fr. Mike, but sometimes the truth hurts. Our Lord did not come to bring peace, but a sword. It is the same temptation the serpent offered Eve: you will be like God, choosing what is good and evil for yourself. Be your own God. Chart your own course. Do not serve. St. Paul poses a difficult challenge in our world today--not only for women, but also (and especially) for men.
2 Corinthians 4 kJV
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
1 Corinthians 15 kJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Or
2 Thessalonians 1 kJV
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Yes, the truth can hurt.
Romans 2 kJV
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Galatians 1 kJV
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
settle down Beavis.
@@terrymunoztrujillo483he’s not wrong though.
At the basic level, forget about feminism and focus on the dignity of the person. Of all human beings. That dignity should be preserved within marriage.
Thank you for inspiring me to have a dialogue with my wife, Father, with the aim being how we can better submit to one another. That clarified some things for me.
Don't listen to what Father said in this video. He's leading you a stray. It is very clear in scripture and the masgisterium that the wife is to submit to her husband in all things except sin.
@@ingridappiah1739 incredibly based
@@ingridappiah1739 Thank you for being one of the few ladies to go against the grain. It's a bit terrifying to look through the comments section and see most women thanking Fr. Mike for telling them what they wanted to hear, rather than what Scripture teaches. Imagine the backlash he would've received if he stood by what St. Paul said!
@@ingridappiah1739
Thank you dear lady. You are a woman of worth. 1 Peter 3.
I'm female too and I hate how clergy men fuel up our pride to the max and never humble us proud EVES.
good points, important though to clarify that one of the examples of the husband being a leader is that if a decision needs to be made and there is no consensus, it's the responsibility of the husband to decide (whether it's deciding to agree or disagree with his wife). God will judge the husband regarding the decision, and the wife for her obedience or lack thereof.
it does not say that in the bible nor did St. Paul pointed in that way. please do not give personal interpretations as universal truth. A catholic sister that taught me when I was a kid always said that God will ask just one question : How did we love one another, so we do not need to guitrip the decisions of anybody.
@@danielgrigorut9853
I think I may not have been clear as I am not saying or implying anything about guilt-tripping. I mean to say there are inevitably situations where there are understandable, reasonable disagreements and a decision has to be made. The husband, who was given by God the role of being the leader of the home, must make a decision and God will judge his heart (i.e., if the decision was made in sacrificial love versus selfish gain). Sacrificial love does not necessarily mean agreeing with your wife on everything.
Let me ask you, if a wife and a husband have a disagreement regarding a decision, and they've spoken to multiple, God-fearing and well-respected people who give varying advice, how should the final decision be made?
Unfortunately, as mainstream feminism influences society more and more, we view submission as something demeaning. If we keep our eyes on the heavenly reward, we will see that submission to one's husband is for the glory of God, and sacrificing oneself for your wife and children is for the glory of God. The epitome of godly feminism is the Holy Virgin Saint Mary who without hesitation submitted herself to God and accepted being the mother of Christ, and even submitted herself to her betrothed, Joseph the Carpenter, despite the fact that they were neither married, nor was he the biological father of Christ.
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@@squidflats4086I view that as 2 people that were clearly incompatible. Name me one example where that would be the case and the husband had to go and override his wives opinions and feelings… compatible couples, either simply trust each other or compromise where both are in agreement.
Beautiful God bless you 😊
This sounds like the serpent in the garden. "Did God really say this?"
No, it sounds like "let's not accept the pop version of history but actually look at the source and context".
@@Cationna Let's do that, let's go back to the source.
1 Tim 2:11-15 (St. Paul)
Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.
Gen 3:16 (God)
To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee.
1 Peter 3:1 (St. Peter)
In like manner also let wives be subject to their husbands: that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word, by the conversation of the wives. Considering your chaste conversation with fear. Whose adorning let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: But the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and a meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:
As Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, doing well, and not fearing any disturbance.
St. Augustine (Church Father)
"Nor can it be doubted, that it is more consonant with the order of nature that men should bear rule over women, than women over men."
St. John Chrysostom (Church Father)
“But if [the dominion/headship of home] be otherwise, all is turned upside down, and thrown into confusion. And just as when the generals of an army are at peace one with another, all things are in due subordination, whereas on the other hand, if they are at variance, everything is turned upside down; so, I say, is it also here. Wherefore, saith he, "Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."
St. Thomas Aquinas (Doctor of the Church)
“I answer that, it was right for the woman to be made from a rib of man. First, to signify the social union of man and woman, for the woman should neither use authority over man, and so she was not made from his head; nor was it right for her to be subject to man’s contempt as his slave, and so she was not made from his feet.” (ST I q. 92, a.3.)
“Good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were not governed by others wiser than themselves. So, by such a kind of subjection woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason predominates.” (ST I, q.92, a. 1, ad 2.)
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@@ashleymariecoleman9288 Which one? 😊
@@JackFalltrades🐍
I agree I think me need more time spent in pre-Cana to decide if we have the same missions. I think the breakdown is when two people are on two wildly different missions with money, spirituality, what roles we each play. If you don't have the same mission you are endlessly working against your spouse.
Scriptures very clear that a wife is to submit to her husband. If a woman doesn't agree with the Word of God, then don't marry her!
@@MPFXT I am not talking about what scripture says. I am talking about the reality of two spouses who don't agree on the mission and have trust in one another. I think that is at the core of why woman are not wanting to submit. They either don't have faith in the man for reasons or they don't like the mission he is on and work to subvert it. The way to get out ahead of these issues is to take more time before the marriage and really hash this out. The issue with that however is that most people excited to get married will probably just blow this stuff off since it's not important until later when it turns out to be really important.
@@MrPeach1 Understood. There are ethical grounds for separation in an abusive situation. Makes me think the Sedevacantist position a tenable option in the Francis papacy.
@@MPFXT I have no idea how Sedevacantists entered this discussion.
@@MrPeach1 I'm thinking analogically. We as members of the Church are like the Bride of Christ and the Pope is supposed to act as the Vicar of Christ. So I'm making a comparison to the wife who has a husband who does not follow the teachings of the Church and misleads his wife & children potentially to their detriment. When the husband is leading souls he's responsible for into mortal sin (see for example Amoris Laetitia that sends the message to fornicating couples that this may be ok and to additionally Commune and commit sacrilege). These are examples of a situation when it may be best to separate from the abusive head of the household who is misusing his authority and leading his subordinates into sin. The victim spouse and her children have the moral right to separate from the abusive spouse - though the victim spouse cannot re-marry (like become Orthodox or Protestant), it may be prudent and even a moral obligation to separate. This is something like a Sedevacantist position if, in fact, someone holds that position simply because of heretical, scandalous & apostate teachings being promulgated by the Pope.
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Sooo, that’s a yes?
@@pokenaut7803 Of course!
Jesus led by making decisions. He made the decision to make Peter the pope, decided where to preach, decided to institute Eucharist, perform miracle at Cana etc. Fr. Mike is preaching a different gospel
@@jamesreisch4156 Yes!
@@soccerlife5041performed a miracle in Canan .... wasn't he asked by His mother, then made the decision?
Each person bringing their gifts is one of many things that makes a marriage strong. Comparing and blaming each other for not bringing expected gifts is drinking poison.
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Ephesians 2 kJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Timothy Gordon’s response to this video is on point.
For sure. Doubt many Catholic normies here have heard of Timothy as Mainstream Catholic media orphaned him.
@@nicola489 I watch both influencers, there was already push back even before Timothy's video, and Timothy never told anyone to go harrash father mike. If anything, he told people to ask for a clarification of his statement because Fr. Mike makes some pretty weird statements about Christ not claiming Power or Headship.
@@nicola489actually, in Tim’s video he actually mentions how the comments are full of pushback, so it’s not just all people coming from his video
Timothy Gordon’s response seems to come from a good place, but unfortunately reduces husband leadership to making decisions, allowing his wife to “sleep in”, and being willing to die if it comes to that. It disappointingly missed any comments about husbands being called to lead through service. I think this video was more complete.
Hopefully man And women will pick the right partner Because if you don't. It's not going to be a happy life..
So many people are misunderstanding Fr Mike. Everyone should go read 1 Corinthians 7:4 “The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.”
This is referring to the marital act.
Dude, this is saying both spouses are not allowed to deny each other sex. This is the opposite of what father Mike is saying unfortunately, he is not stating the actual Catholic position here sadly.
I understand what he's saying, I think he's using the wrong terms.
@@reggiejenkins6458 That is disgusting and is borderline r@p3😮
My word, your god is a proponent of assault?
@gabrieldelao1525
In Greek the word "authority" is different for the woman. I've read it somewhere. It's very interesting.
In the same way , when Paul says Let every man have his wife and every woman her husband 1 Co 7:4, in Greek language , it could be litterary translated by :
Let every man own his wife and every woman be owned by her husband
Not the same. No equality .
Also, I will say when you meet the right man who is a leader, it'd not even conscious, it doesn't even take effort. submitting to him is just instinctual because you trust him so much. :)
Wow, thank you for this message! 36 years into marriage and I am always learning, a big part because of you and your reflections!
The other commenter is a hack, but Scripture & Magisterial teaching are more clear than Fr Mike was on this topic. Wives must submit to their husbands.
I’m single, and I have no reason to be this happy about such a video. And yet this video made me feel happy! I had never heard anyone approach this chapter asking “what does it mean to lead?” I had never heard that before, and it’s such a huge question I never knew I needed to ask until now. It took me back to when my grandfather would ask me questions about our faith. I never felt dumb for not knowing something or silly if I was wrong. He didn’t get mad at me from what I could tell. All he would do was ask, listen, and talk to me; helping me answer and conceive of questions I never knew I had. I missed that feeling.
Thank you Father Mike.
I almost cried tears of joy listening to it at work even though he explained this in his Bible in a year podcast. He's amazing!
I'm a single guy, but I have to say, I got a lot out of this. Service to the point of death, like love Himself. Amen.
Also, grow into the virtuous man that a virtuous woman will want to be led by.
@reginaldphillips7615 - bingo! - a real man is not afraid to sacrifice himself, and a tyrant is a coward! Doesn't go well for cowards (Rev 21:8)
@@andrewcoleman5095
Yeah ..women want and men adapt !
God made the man for the woman , right ? Woman made first , man second for the woman and because of her ?
Shame on us for not putting men first as the Bible always does , right after God.
Shame on us for saying as the priest in the video " IF your husband bla bla , you brides will .."
Satanic "if" who lets females run the show
The Bible tells women not to submit if but submit EVEN if 1 Peter 3, which is complete opposite of what he preaches and of what all the other wokes (in Evangelical churches) in Christian guise preach.
So strange that we have a Proverbs 31 woman but NO Proverbs 32 man ...
Has the Lord forgotten something ?
@@garyr.8116
Where have a husband's rights gone in this day and age ?
It's all about the woman and her devastating pride ! Women will be willing to submit IF ...he humblers himself to the point of death ?????
With such teachings , it is women who run the show.
You really think that women respect men who never assert their will or desires ?
It's just impossible. Basic female psychology.
Father Mike, would you do a video about the martial debt?
I’ve always struggled with the idea of being a submissive wife. I’ll be honest, I consider myself a feminist and never wanted to submit to a husband because I viewed it as toning down my own voice and being less respected. I’m so glad I listened to this because it gave me such great insight into the mutual submission and how my husband is supposed honor and respect me as well.
Ephesians 5:21-25
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
It's not your husband you're submitting to. It's Christ who is working in your husband. It's a red flag if your husband is just ordering you around all of the time with no reason or rhyme. Remember there is a difference between leading and dominating without a goal.
I hope that makes sense x.x I'm not very good with communicating in writing lol.
@xuxulife3796
There is no such thing as "mutual submission". If you don't submit , you will control him .
Ad that's what you want.
@@DerpyDerp254
Submit to one another has nothing to do with marriage !
It is a chain of commands : wives to husbands , children to parents etc..
In Greek language , the word submit is not present . It reads : submit to one another , wives unto your own husbands ..
Because it is a chain of commands.
@@framboise595 agreed
@@framboise595 I don’t want to control my husband. I don’t think wife or husband should control each other.
Right now my marriage to my wife is in a bad spot. We know what we have to do to make it work but we choose not too out of selflessness lack of trust respect lack of communication with each other. We are living a life where we don't care about the other person. Lots of anxiety right now. Both of us are expecting each other to do it. I'm always praying to God to help us to shift our focus on the other person instead of ourselves. Thanks for the video Father Mike for this.
i am sorry ,tip try just to say good morning or good night to start communication or just watch a movie or tv show together ..
Never thought I’d see the day where Fr Mike gets ratio’d lol
Sometimes enthusiasm just gets in the way. It may loosen the tongue, but does nothing for clarity.
I've been reading the book LEAD the four marks of fatherly greatness. Daily devotions for every man. 🙏
1 Corinthians 15 kJV
1-4
Father, so if man and wife are like Christ and his Church, and if man and women should be mutual submissive, then is Christ submissive also to the Church? Is He to submit to the Church’s authority? Very confused on this, thanks!
Well wasn’t he submissive to the father? And he laid down his life for us?
That’s how I’ve been explained at church.
You are submissive and the man must lay his life down for you and lead as Christ to the father no?
That's because Fr Mike's message was confusing and not consonant with the Scriptures and Magisterial teaching which much more clearly teach that wives must submit to their husbands.
Yes, actually! God, in all His glory, submitted to people. He could do anything He wishes to us, but what He wishes is to respect our free will. He loves us to the point of being killed by us, for our sins (that was obedience to God the Father, but it was also very real submission to people). He submits to the Church in giving Himself through Church according to its rituals and to laws of this universe (which are God-given, as everything is, but still). He chose to come as a human, be born a baby and be submissive to His Mother and earthly father. Does this mean the same as that He is in any way inferior to us, that He is at any point or in any way lesser than us? Obviously not. So this relationship of Christ to His Bride teaches us what it truly means to give yourself to another as fully as possible, all in fulfillment of God's will.
@@Cationna Your theology is off. Jesus in His humanity submitted to Joseph & Mary as He was "growing in wisdom and stature." Even then He was instructing His teachers with His "understanding and knowledge. However, when He came of age His Chosen Apostles and disciples were submissive to Him. His Bride, the Church was to be entirely submissive to Him as Head of the Church. His human submission was to God the Father. Just as a man is head of his household and submissive to God, a wife like the Church must submit to her husband.
This is very clear in the Scriptures and Magisterial teaching, and very confused in secular, feminist Western culture.
@@MPFXT your response is what makes rational sense to me. It’s like a ladder with God at the top, man (Christ) next, and then woman (Church) after that, and each person is looking up. Idk how mutual submission makes any rational sense theologically speaking. Practically speaking, if two people absolutely disagree on something, how do they mutually submit to eachother? Ultimately, one person’s will is going to rule out in the normal functioning of household decision making, be it the man’s or the wife’s (if they are in complete opposition). My and my spouse’s understanding is that a man can and should seek advice of his wife, as the president would do to his cabinet or VP, but the ultimate authority and decision making power belongs to the man..this is just our natural interpretation and practical application of how this would work. I’m not sure what mutual submission would look like practically speaking - like how would a CO/XO of an aircraft carrier, or the President/VP mutually submit to each other?
I'm not sure about this Father. I trust your judgement, but considering chapters and subtitles are conceivably comparably arbitrary later additions- is Ephesians 5:21 not just a general comment to the human race rather than an instruction for spouses and thus gender relations?
There are a plethora of Scripture passages and Magisterial teaching where it is clear that wives are to submit to their husbands. Fr. Mike seemed to be more concerned about worldly attitudes to the Word of God.
@@MPFXTVery possible. Also, if you look at the Douay Rheims translation, it's clear Eph 5:21 is part of a section addressed to a different audience to the married.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury; but be ye filled with the holy Spirit,
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to God and the Father:
21 Being subject one to another, in the fear of Christ.
*Full stop, gap*
22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:
23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
Etc
Father is afraid to offend people.
So true. Once, trust is broken, the satisfaction of submitting to your partner, is no longer the same and it upsets you because, you can no longer feel that joy, again.
Thank you for this beautiful video ❤ amen
Love your pfp, God bless
It was wishy-washy and Fr. Mike needs better formation on this topic. Wives are to submit to their husbands.
@@MPFXT that’s quite literally what he said in the video. I’m curious as to why you think he didn’t properly cover the topic, if I may so ask.
@@justyouruncleiroh7508 He literally questioned that line in the video.
@@MPFXT well yeah and he broke it down into segments and explained, I’m genuinely trying to understand what you mean. Where did he not elaborate on the question of the video?
Fr. Mike, you need to pray on this more; the Bridegroom dies for the Bride, but He does not submit to her!
so tru
@@terrorists-are-among-us I’m a woman…
Does He not submit to her? He died for us, He gave us his own life, He made himself one of us, "He humbled himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross!" This is God's LOVE.
I think Father Mike vision is perfect!
Peace and Good, sister 😊
@@VictoriaFidelis Christ was obedient to God, not to the church. He served the church, washed the feet of the disciples, and even died for the church. But He also had the authority to teach the church, give clear commands, and to discipline church members when necessary. Christ NEVER submits to the church, only to God.
@@mosesking2923 He loved us serving, as Father Mike said
These commands from St. Paul point us back not only to Christ and the Church but to the first husband and wife at the Fall as well. Adam’s unwillingness to exercise his headship “to work and keep” (not as a tyrant but as a duty bound son and priest)over the Garden lead to Eve being vulnerable to the temptation from the serpent. In much the same way a husband who refuses to take up the role of servant and priest of his household can expect to see similar results within the family. We also see Eve as the first feminist taking her own initiative apart from her husband to engage and converse with the serpent. Which is why we are Blessed to have the example of our Blessed Lord, the new Adam and model of Manhood(as well as St. Joseph) and our Blessed Mother Mary the model of Womanhood and anti feminist.
This is SO spot on!!! Thank you for sharing this insight
@@livinglavidaluna
Yes and God discerned Feminism in Eve .That's why he said :
Your desires shall be unto your husband (= desire to usurp his authority) but he shall RULE OVER you Genesis 3:16
So , where is the male rule today ?
It has taken a long while for me to understand that serving my husband is serving God. Now I do my best to ask myself: "Would God agree with what I am doing or thinking about?" Does my thought or speech or other actions go against God? Am I disrespecting my husband? If so, that means I am disrespecting God. Praise Be!!!
Jesus did have commands though. He said if you love me you will keep my commands. So he did serve but he also commanded.
He commanded Peter to walk on the water. Water is symbolic of things that are submissive. You can drown in water; but the miracle is that the water; or the wife; though it was drowning poorly made boats; Peter was submissive to Mrs. Waters and the water; magically turned into a floor; and then he walked on the water. Hmm. Jesus Commanded the Water to be submissive; by obeying the Master's command to turn itself into a floor; and now the marriage is in the mission of submission; of a hard solid foundation; in that both parties; they work well together; like a well- oiled machine; - you get her; and she gets you. Hmm.
@@MorreHope that sounds like some nice mental gymnastics.
@@emagalociova 😄
This is actually a very clear interpretation, teaching. Hardliners get rough with it, but success and service in marriage and to one another fulfills the meaning of scripture.
@scsky2311
No it does not. When you take out the hierarchy , Satan rules the home through the woman.
Same Eden script played over and over .
Why was everything else talked about except how wives should submit to her husband ?
This verse is a lead by example verse. It’s not anti women. Got to read the verses before and after it for context.
This is a very confusing video… Father talks about mutual submission then talks about how men need to lead their families… so which is it ? You can’t have both and scripture seems clear on this issue.
Yes. The answer is yes. If a man is responsible for you, your protection, your welfare, etc., you defer to him.
obviously you didn't listen to this particular clip....
@@daanh8194Sure did! Don't let people twist what marriage really is. The husband leads, the wife supports.
@@daanh8194 He did, he's just saying it's wrong
@@squishyhydra5155 it's funny that we seem to be hearing it differently then, i definitely heard him say something along the lines of 'they both submit to *each other*...' as in supporting each other, being different but equal, having different qualities, but neither being lesser or more in 'status', not only the wife to the husband... but i'm guessing that wouldn't suit your narrative... 🤣
@@daanh8194 The husband is the head, the wife is the body, as per Saint Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The head is higher in status than the body, it senses, judges, and commands the body. Husbands and wives are equal in dignity, not in function, not in status, and not in authority. The Scriptures make this very clear. It is impossible to hold a Catholic and a feminist worldview at the same time.
Thank you Fr Mike. I was raised a Catholic but I belonged to a non catholic church for several years- very fundamentalist and this was one of the texts they used to keep women quiet. The role of women was basically just to minister to other women only and within marriage what the man said went. In the end I couldn't take it any more as I didn't believe that was what Jesus wanted as Jesus never put anyone down. Thank you for restoring my faith in this text's beautiful message🙏
The answer is yes wives must be submissive its written in the verse you quoted:)
@@mellywhoville6205”subject” to their wife’s. No where in scripture does it say “mutual submission”. What it means to be subject and submissive are completely different things, definitions and epistemology. When Paul said husbands be subject he clarified in scripture that it means to lay down their life’s in mortal circumstances. Also to provide for the family. Scripture is clear that wife’s fully submit and to follow the leadership of the husband.
Timothy Gordon made a very good analysis about that.
😂😂😂😂Timothy Gordon has never made a good analysis about anything!
@@1hart I appreciate your emoji charity along with the pointlessness of your reply.
@@1hartYou could make a video debunking Tim Gordon. I'd love to see your analysis of the avalanche of popes that he quoted.
@@nathanbustamante1525 noone that I know takes anything he says seriously so why would I do that? Fr. Mike Schmitz and many others with actual magisterial authority have spoken church teaching respectfully and charitably unlike your little skateboard hero. Are you one of the men paying him $500 to match you with a submissive and obedient wife...lol 😆
@@1hart I like Father Mike and I've never disagreed with him on anything except this. Your derogatory name calling isn't appreciated. Grow up.
No actually I'm happily married with 4 children.
You want magisterial authority? Here's Pius XI in his encyclical "Casti Canubi".
"For if the man is the head, the woman is the heart, and as *he occupies the chief place in ruling* , so she may and ought to claim for herself the chief place in love."
So many people only know the 'soundbite' versions of Scripture. And they form opinions reading things out of context. Thank you for the clarity you seek to bring to those who are willing to delve deeper, Fr. Mike.
I found his message to waffle and be somewhat shallow with worldly concerns about people who come to weddings who are not submissive to the Word of God. Scripture and Magisterial teaching are clear - wives must submit to your husbands.
The video didn't clear up anything, if anything it only muddied the waters.
@@smiechu47 Don't worry, the Revelation of God (i.e., Sacred Scripture and Tradition) make the answer to Fr. Mike's question very clear - yes, "wives must be submissive to their husbands." This is re-iterated several times very clearly in the Scriptures - both the Old and New Testaments, as well as, several inerrant & impeccable Magisterial teachings.
I like the fact that we’re handling this subject with love and care, but in the process we should be careful not to dilute the message. Yes, husbands are called to lead the home; yes, that does mean deference to one’s husband in situations wheres spouses disagree. But it’s not a dictatorship; it’s a responsibility and it’s one both parties need to willingly consent to before the vows.
I recommend The Three Marks of Manhood by GC Dilsaver. The book is an excellent progression from an understanding of the man's role as head and how that looks in a relationship with a wife. It's much better than this video, unfortunately.
I would a copy of the portrait of Mary. Where could I get one ?
great video ,i love the mutual lead submit part ,too many christians assume the word submitt mean the woman belongs to a man instead of co leadership .. i love your version better
àrevdodie7076
The devil always has better versions for us women .
Christ did tell people what to do...
And, if they didn't do it, he did not: yell, scream, cut off the bank accounts, commit battery, commit murder, use it as an excuse to drink or drug or gamble...
@@kell_checks_in Well, he told the market people to leave the temple, and when they didn't, he got out a whip and started whipping and screaming at them to get out.
@@pokenaut7803 So, husbands get to use whips on wives? Thanks for confirming I was right to recently leave Catholicism and Christianity (again). I've vacillated in and out for decades and I really think I'm free for good this time. There are just too many terrifying men like those commenting here for this religion to be anything but a misogyny cult.
@@kell_checks_in These words are the opinion of Paul, not Christ. I urge to to reconsider the teachings of Christ which are simple and eternal.
@@pokenaut7803 You better speak the truth!
Contorted and confusing explanation.
Like saying, "This is what scripture says, but it really means this..."
Beautifully explained, thank you for this, Fr . Schmitz. I also considered it as: If you get in the boat of life together, row together, support each other, work together, trust each other, serve each other but not in the American English concept of servant-serve but in a Christian way.
Sometimes, it's depressing from a literary standpoint that American Catholics have lost the appreciation for language-learning and culture. The Bible has been translated and we forget to not evaluate everything through our specific cultural experience and miss the nuances and ideas of what we read. What our forebears and ancestors tried to teach us, convey, forewarn, and enlighten us with -- is really meaningful and many ideas and notions have since been lost but thanks to what is preserved, in this case our Bible, it's like a voyage of discovery to read and think on and live by
Do a video on 1 Timothy 2, specifically verse 11
Man I think there quite a few verses in the New Testament that shows wives submitting to their husbands, I think like 7 or 8 verses and not the other way around with men doing the submission. Pray on this further
Yes agreed wife duty to submit to her husband.
Creates happier marriage too.
@@millycapel4332
Of course it does since God created the woman for the man and not the man for the woman.
It is key.
God bless you.
Father, respectfully - submission has more to do with authority and obedience than a mission as in goal. Submission must have at least two unequal parties, one that is above the other. The wife is to respect the husband, and the husband is to love her. The husband does not have to obey her.
Why do we have leadership at all? What's the point? Is it just... there, because some people just are above others? No, there is always a reason for it. There is a mission, a common goal that requires delegation of work. No hierarchy exists for its own sake; no one is given authority or respect because they're owed it. Not in society, not in the Catholic Church, not in a family. If you think men are Just Supposed To Be Obeyed, just because, you don't understand God's plan for men and women. Man is supposed to lead the family to Heaven. Woman is supposed to nurture the family to Heaven. There is a common goal that requires different kinds of work, there is a mission that they share and mutually support, there is trust in each other's gifts. Without this context and without the context of love, submission and leadership have zero meaning or validity.
@@Cationna Husbands are supposed to be obeyed because this is God’s will. The “common mission” if you will, is God. It’s not even primarily about us getting into Heaven, because God’s presence is what makes it Heaven in the first place.
@@bruno-bnvm Apparently you are the one who is uncomfortable with the indisputable fact that the Catholic Church commands wives to obey their husbands.
@@terrorists-are-among-us thats true! I am the wife
Jesus submitted at the cross. He allowed his clothes to be taken. He knew our nature. Submission created salvation.
This is so powerful and encouraging 👏 from South Africa 🇿🇦
Don't lie😂
@NK-tz3tr Thank you so much.
Was out of my opinion
Anyways, noted
✌🏿 and ❤️ from South Africa 🇿🇦
Greetings Father Mike,
Thoughts :-
-> Message reflect with, "Holy Marriage Spiritually seal Divine Interpretation of Love between Husband and Wife in the Holy Church in all aspects."
-> Message also highlights "Emotionally Intelligent Wife build One's Own Family in every sense in every aspects."
With regards and Prayers,
Ranjith Joseph (R.J)
Let your yes be yes, and your no be no. I am not hearing any clear yes or no here.
@skydancer1867
So true . All that is added is from the devil.
Father, you should check out what Saint John Chrysostom says about that paragraph:
“However not for the husband's sake alone it is thus said, but for the wife's sake also, that he cherish her as his own flesh, as Christ also the Church, and, that the wife fear her husband. He is no longer setting down the duties of love only, but what? That she fear her husband. The wife is a second authority; let not her then demand equality, for she is under the head; nor let him despise her as being in subjection, for she is the body; and if the head despise the body, it will itself also perish. But let him bring in love on his part as a counterpoise to obedience on her part. For example, let the hands and the feet, and all the rest of the members be given up for service to the head, but let the head provide for the body, seeing it contains every sense in itself. Nothing can be better than this union.”
Look it up.
Based.
Mary’s submission to God and her husband St Joseph is all you need to know.
When he says Christ doesn’t make decisions for the church and doesn’t take charge is just wrong, he may have meant it in another way but Christ charge, in a way of love
Jesus is just as much in charge as He is in service.
In service to his Father.
Thank you for this beautiful clarification of “wives submit to your husbands” 🙏🏻🕊💖🕊🙏🏻
The key is to know - clearly- each other’s missions. It is dangerous to not understand this, a recipe for marital strife. But how can one know for sure what another person’s mission is? How can one be sure that the other person might change his/her mission? Well, we can’t, can we? Hence the vows.
Thank you for this explanation. It feels well balanced and mutually beneficial to both the bride and groom.
"Husbands, lead like Jesus".
When Jesus is at the center of the relationship, the Holy Spirit will flow. Pray together to stay together.
@marthap4833
More nonsense.
Jesus put the MAN as the head of the relationship and put the woman in complete submission to him .
That's what Christ did. But modern clergy men could not care less .
So much tiptoeing around a simple question.
How does this apply to parents of a kid out of wedlock who aren't married and weren't?
Beautiful insight
As an catholic anti abuse activist here in the UK I would like to add a disclaimer to this bible passage. Even if you take submission literally (and there are lots of things in the bible we don't apply literally, like cutting off our hands and plucking out our eyes if they offend god), it is not, nor has it ever been the teaching the church that abuse of any kind towards either spouse or children is to be tolerated in the name of marriage. Abuse can be sexual, violent, coercive control, financial or psychological/emotional in nature. If you are in an abusive marriage, leave and get to safety. This bible passage does not means you are obligated to stay in an unsafe domestic situation. Why do I raise this here? Because I know of no bible passage which is more regularly used by abusers to justify their crimes against the vulnerable. Please keep yourselves safe.
Yes a woman who is constantly being hurt and r***ed by her husband because she says no and he quotes scripture and says she has to do it when there is a power imbalance and abuse there is not Christian and should be taken seriously. A woman DOES have the right to say no. I don’t know why some don’t understand that the passage from Corinthians does not apply to abusive people
@@flutistmom I'm so very sorry that you've been harmed in this way. You marriage vows do not obligate you to consent to sex whenever your husband demands it. If are not safe please let us know the general area you live in so we can find women's services or a refuge to help you. It is not the teaching of the catholic church you "submit" to this abusive behavior. As a catholic I'm asking you to take steps to keep yourself safe.
@@antoniasobocki1724 not me but someone close to me. There’s nothing I can do about it because she’s trauma bonded to him.
@@flutistmom please try and convey the message to her that it is not the doctrine of the church that she stays with someone who does this to her. Abusers always skip the verse before which talks about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the church. This passage from the bible is the most abused scripture I know of, based on the frequency I hear it used to justify harm.
Didn't Jesus also give orders and have the last word?
"However, whereas in the relationship between Christ and the Church the subjection is only on the part of the Church, in the relationship between husband and wife the "subjection" is not one-sided but mutual." John Paul II.
@@lunalee3021
That's a huge heresy. I don't care what popes , priests , pastors and whatever says. I care about what is written becomes it comes from above.
Men can be such wolves to their brothers.
@@framboise595 According to what self appointed canon lawyer from youtube? I respect the pope more.
@@lunalee3021
Nothing to do with You Tube but the BIBLE which teaches male authority both in the OT and the NT because that's God's way , it has always been and will always be.
Mutual submission is the negation of submission !
JP2 was all for the destruction of Christian marriage with wives not in obedience anymore.
I guess you also respect the current pope who agrees with homosex unions ?
The head of the church is Christ . Only Christ must be followed.
Fr Mike... a man must attempt to outserve his wife yet a leader should have a vision. It would be nice to have a reflection on how the man should lead like Jesus, sacrifice like Jesus yet not have authority. Jesus does not negotiate with the Church, the bishop does not negotiate with the priests.... my wife and i have a very good relationship and many kids. I feel a man without a vision he can share and develop lacks the capacity to lead... without a vision, where can he lead too?
Father Mike! I am 50+... you are my single best teacher currently and we pray for you every rosary.
If a Godly man and a Godly woman love each other and root themselves in God's word everything falls into place.
The claim that Jesus didn't say "I'm in charge" is disturbing coming from Fr. Mike. This is not Christianity. Jesus absolutely did say he is in charge of everything.
Amen Fr. Mike. I so firmly believe in serving the Lord, both man and wife. I knew his strength and I knew mine. We combined both our strengths, and it worked. Sadly, he passed away in 2021. Nowadays, I use what my llate husband taught me and I am sure he's smiling.
Thank you so much Fr Mike, and Ascension. As always, my continued prayers for all. God Bless 🙏🏻
I suppose “As you wish” really does mean love, then ☺️
Wow your GOOD great thoughts and words.