Thanks for watching everyone! I hope you enjoyed another addition of the "Weird Ship" series! Iron Duke more falls into the interesting category here, not necessarily weird, just repurposed.
8:37 HMS Iron Duke was the most accurate ship at the Battle of Jutland having the highest hit percentage of any ship on either side at 13%, which is ridiculously high, not just for WW1 but WW2 as well. Just to put it in perspective a few percent was the highest from ant other ship. The gunnery training was fantastic no wonder it was his flagship and no wonder why Jellicoe was in charge
Many thanks for this. My comment seems to have 'fallen off a cliff' but essentially the X1 segment was fascinating. And landing on with a Sopwith, by blipping the ignition because the engine was either on or off (!), was really exciting! Well, hopefully this comment will stick. Thank you so much for another great doco. For future planning, anything about submarines will have me hooked! Cheers =]
I loved the first section about HMS X 1. I have always been fascinated by submarines, and this one was particularly odd. But it was a very important experimental platform that informed the designs of future boats. I was intrigued by the to and fro between the gunners and designers - more this, bigger that, and so on. Noting the expressed need for 'habitability' to accommodate longer patrols, I had to smile - what one desk-based officer in a concrete battleship thinks a matelot needs when at sea, in terms of necessary living space and equipment clearly differed enormously form what any normal person would actually want! X1 was built at Chatham, which would continue to build submarines until around 1965 when HMC OKANAGAN , built for the Canadian navy, which was the last to be built there. If you want to do features in future on the submarines of any navy, I will be sure to watch! Thank you for this wacky doco - the description of how the first plane was landed on deck ('blip the ignition' because the engine is either on or off (!) was brilliant. As was the rest. Cheers =]
Thank you Clive! Always look forward to your comments. X1 was a weird submarine, and certainly experimental, Chatham is on the top of my list to visit if and when I make it over to the UK.
@@ImportantNavalHistory definitely worth a visit. Tidied up now if course but lots of interesting features such as a working ropery and the template room where wooden templates were marked and made. And today's fun fact... To build HMS Victory you need wood from about 80 acres. Coincidentally that's the size of the dockyard! Cheers
Excellent video. One minor criticism though. At 31.20, that is not a Swordfish. Think its a Fairey IIIF , which you subsequently mention at 31.50 - certainly has a typical Fairey tailfin and rudder. incidentally, the 800 series you mention are not groups, but squadrons!
@@ImportantNavalHistoryThe Pressure Hull is still intact, but the buoyancy tubes and deck is getting holey. Fuel oil is beginning to leak out. You can see Congers at home just in front of the hanger, by the catapult where the hanger door counterweights are. Periscope is visible in the conning tower, as is the Hidden Gun on the aft deck. Pollack, Bib, Pout, and Whiting are plentiful. Deck is at 28M, seabed between 30 and 34M in the scour under the bows and stern. Propellers are missing, but shafts still present in P brackets. Interestingly the Starboard bow hydroplane, and the Port hydroplane has a protective tube around it, but the tip of the Stbd hydroplane is bent up. The Anchor is still chained in the Hawse pipe, and The crane for recovering the Parnall Peto has fallen off the hangar and is lying on the seabed to the east of the Sub.
"I have just been having a long talk with the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He has agreed to our building light craft to any extent we can up to a light cruiser. The Chancellor did not say how big the light cruisers could be, so we will build two whoppers, with 15-inch guns, and speed enough to run any German light cruiser off the face of the ocean."
Submarines are not ships, they are boats. HMS Furious: At 31:22 That isn't a Fairy Swordfish, it is a Fairy IIIF Recon/Light bomber. Used from 1917 through the 20s, this version from around 1927, all the way up to WWII.
I disagree that the Courageous class are battlecruisers. They're their own type of ships that don't really fit any designation. So large light cruiser works, seeing as it pretty much describes what they are (large, lightly armoured cruisers) and this was prior to the naval treaty cruiser definitions. I tend to consider them as large, fast monitors, as that's essentially what they were. They were intended by Fisher to support a naval invasion of Germany, but this plan never saw fruition.
It’s incredibly difficult to find a classification for such a ship. I’ve said large light cruisers and light battlecruisers in the past and have gotten comments telling me I’m wrong. Generally speaking, most of the historians like RA Burt, Dr. Norman Friedman, and John Robert’s use the term light battlecruiser. Nevertheless, I don’t necessarily think the classification matters.
@ImportantNavalHistory did you say light battlecruiser in the video? Sorry, I must've miss-heard as that term works well enough. As you say, they're too unique to really fit any existing classifications and it doesn't matter that much at the end of the day. I only mentioned it because some people insist on labelling them full battlecruisers, which would be misleading and misrepresent their design and capabilities. Just look at the confusion people have around HMS Hood being labelled a battlecruiser. The number of people who insist she was lightly armoured and/or kept her magazine hatches open is worrying.
@@ImportantNavalHistory Sometimes also known as very large light cruisers. All 3 terms have been used officially, in Parliament and in the media. Also known as Lord Fisher's Hush-Hush Cruisers and later Floating Aerodromes, Expensive Minelayer, Rotten Freak, Flat-topped Old Barmaid, etc.
@@SennaAugustus Within the Royal Navy, Courageous & Glorious had less than flattering nicknames, among which were Outrageous, Uproarious, Curious and Spurious.
@@partygrove5321 The Royal Navy's workhorse, the 'E' class was capable of 15 knots in bursts, but for her maximum range of 3,000 miles 10 knots was maintained. The highly advanced 'R' class, of which a small number appeared, could manage a surface speed of 9 knots, but a submerged speed of 15. These arrived right at the end of WW1. The most advanced German boat in 1914 was U9, with a surface speed of 14 knots. The first German diesel boat, U13, could manage 14.8 knots. The U93, late war, class, could manage 16.8 knots.
Try doing one on the "K" class steam submarines. Or the short life and tragic end of HMS Audacity the first escort carrier (whose aircrew survivors (of which there was two) was a certain Lt (A) Eric "Winkle" Brown)
In regard to the Iron Duke, I'd like to point out that the Germans did not use pounds but kg in their bombs, and it causes me grief that this is perpetuated in a lot of literature, which insist on saying the bombs were 500 lb, which is less than half the actual size carried by the Ju-88 which made the attack, the correct weight being ~1100 lbs. One of the worst offenders on this subject is the book "Red duster, White Ensign", if anyone read it, it used to be very popular.
Hey man I really appreciate your comment, I get comments from both sides of the argument. I typically use metric when discussing German or other European powers and since a vast majority of my audience uses imperial units I get angry comments telling me to put into imperial units. Nevertheless, since I was directly quoting from RA Burt, I wasn’t going to change numbers.
Thanks for watching everyone! I hope you enjoyed another addition of the "Weird Ship" series! Iron Duke more falls into the interesting category here, not necessarily weird, just repurposed.
HMS Furious was the most heavily armed aircraft carrier in history with that 18 inch gun
one of my favorites I do really love weird ships especially warships
While Germany did use their U-Boats for sinking cargo boats; their designs had a smarter deck gun design than the X1 oddity.
8:37 HMS Iron Duke was the most accurate ship at the Battle of Jutland having the highest hit percentage of any ship on either side at 13%, which is ridiculously high, not just for WW1 but WW2 as well. Just to put it in perspective a few percent was the highest from ant other ship. The gunnery training was fantastic no wonder it was his flagship and no wonder why Jellicoe was in charge
Many thanks for this. My comment seems to have 'fallen off a cliff' but essentially the X1 segment was fascinating. And landing on with a Sopwith, by blipping the ignition because the engine was either on or off (!), was really exciting! Well, hopefully this comment will stick. Thank you so much for another great doco.
For future planning, anything about submarines will have me hooked! Cheers =]
I loved the first section about HMS X 1. I have always been fascinated by submarines, and this one was particularly odd. But it was a very important experimental platform that informed the designs of future boats. I was intrigued by the to and fro between the gunners and designers - more this, bigger that, and so on. Noting the expressed need for 'habitability' to accommodate longer patrols, I had to smile - what one desk-based officer in a concrete battleship thinks a matelot needs when at sea, in terms of necessary living space and equipment clearly differed enormously form what any normal person would actually want!
X1 was built at Chatham, which would continue to build submarines until around 1965 when HMC OKANAGAN , built for the Canadian navy, which was the last to be built there.
If you want to do features in future on the submarines of any navy, I will be sure to watch!
Thank you for this wacky doco - the description of how the first plane was landed on deck ('blip the ignition' because the engine is either on or off (!) was brilliant. As was the rest. Cheers =]
Thank you Clive! Always look forward to your comments. X1 was a weird submarine, and certainly experimental, Chatham is on the top of my list to visit if and when I make it over to the UK.
@@ImportantNavalHistory definitely worth a visit. Tidied up now if course but lots of interesting features such as a working ropery and the template room where wooden templates were marked and made. And today's fun fact... To build HMS Victory you need wood from about 80 acres. Coincidentally that's the size of the dockyard! Cheers
Fantastic series! Really enjoying it.
Just found your channel and I love your format and your presentation. I will be following your work sir, and thank you for your efforts!
Thank you sir, appreciate it!
Interesting ships.
Excellent video. One minor criticism though. At 31.20, that is not a Swordfish. Think its a Fairey IIIF , which you subsequently mention at 31.50 - certainly has a typical Fairey tailfin and rudder. incidentally, the 800 series you mention are not groups, but squadrons!
That’s my bad, I apologize, I used just one photo when describing her air compliments.
@@ImportantNavalHistory Thanks for replying.
MONITORS!!!!!!! Hells yeah
Big gun go *BOOM BOOM*
Furious lived an active long life. Thanks.
Do the French Pre-Dreadnoughts if you want weird.
Sad nobody thought to have a boat in the water or small escort along which could have saved Dunning.
Please cover the US and USS Vesuvius
The next American one will probably be in February at the earliest! But, her and Oregon will probably on the list!
wierd and interesting british ships: all of them
I've dived the wreck of the M2 the submarine with an aircraft hangar 😊
Oh wow! Anything interesting to report about the wreck?
@@ImportantNavalHistoryThe Pressure Hull is still intact, but the buoyancy tubes and deck is getting holey. Fuel oil is beginning to leak out. You can see Congers at home just in front of the hanger, by the catapult where the hanger door counterweights are. Periscope is visible in the conning tower, as is the Hidden Gun on the aft deck. Pollack, Bib, Pout, and Whiting are plentiful. Deck is at 28M, seabed between 30 and 34M in the scour under the bows and stern. Propellers are missing, but shafts still present in P brackets. Interestingly the Starboard bow hydroplane, and the Port hydroplane has a protective tube around it, but the tip of the Stbd hydroplane is bent up. The Anchor is still chained in the Hawse pipe, and The crane for recovering the Parnall Peto has fallen off the hangar and is lying on the seabed to the east of the Sub.
HMS Manxman high speed minelayer.
"I have just been having a long talk with the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He has agreed to our building light craft to any extent we can up to a light cruiser. The Chancellor did not say how big the light cruisers could be, so we will build two whoppers, with 15-inch guns, and speed enough to run any German light cruiser off the face of the ocean."
X1 would have worked well had she had a different diesel/electrical propulsion: i.e. not direct diesel drive to the propellers.
Submarines are not ships, they are boats. HMS Furious: At 31:22 That isn't a Fairy Swordfish, it is a Fairy IIIF Recon/Light bomber. Used from 1917 through the 20s, this version from around 1927, all the way up to WWII.
Thanks for the comment, I’m well aware of these facts. I used one photo while describing her air compliments.
What channel have we here? A young aspiring Drach?
Keep it up, great video!
I don't know about an aspiring Drachinifel, but I appreciate the sentiment. Thanks!
I disagree that the Courageous class are battlecruisers. They're their own type of ships that don't really fit any designation. So large light cruiser works, seeing as it pretty much describes what they are (large, lightly armoured cruisers) and this was prior to the naval treaty cruiser definitions.
I tend to consider them as large, fast monitors, as that's essentially what they were. They were intended by Fisher to support a naval invasion of Germany, but this plan never saw fruition.
It’s incredibly difficult to find a classification for such a ship. I’ve said large light cruisers and light battlecruisers in the past and have gotten comments telling me I’m wrong. Generally speaking, most of the historians like RA Burt, Dr. Norman Friedman, and John Robert’s use the term light battlecruiser. Nevertheless, I don’t necessarily think the classification matters.
@ImportantNavalHistory did you say light battlecruiser in the video? Sorry, I must've miss-heard as that term works well enough. As you say, they're too unique to really fit any existing classifications and it doesn't matter that much at the end of the day.
I only mentioned it because some people insist on labelling them full battlecruisers, which would be misleading and misrepresent their design and capabilities.
Just look at the confusion people have around HMS Hood being labelled a battlecruiser. The number of people who insist she was lightly armoured and/or kept her magazine hatches open is worrying.
@@ImportantNavalHistory Sometimes also known as very large light cruisers. All 3 terms have been used officially, in Parliament and in the media. Also known as Lord Fisher's Hush-Hush Cruisers and later Floating Aerodromes, Expensive Minelayer, Rotten Freak, Flat-topped Old Barmaid, etc.
@@SennaAugustus Within the Royal Navy, Courageous & Glorious had less than flattering nicknames, among which were Outrageous, Uproarious, Curious and Spurious.
The steam powered subs were about the stupidest, most expensive boondoggles in naval history.
They were an attempt, albeit a failed one, to build a submarine with the surface speed to enable it to operate with the 21 knot battle fleet.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Just develop better diesel engines!
@@partygrove5321 No diesel engine capable of powering a submarine at anything near 21 knots existed in WW1, or for many years thereafter.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 What was the max surface speed of a WW 1 war sub?
@@partygrove5321 The Royal Navy's workhorse, the 'E' class was capable of 15 knots in bursts, but for her maximum range of 3,000 miles 10 knots was maintained.
The highly advanced 'R' class, of which a small number appeared, could manage a surface speed of 9 knots, but a submerged speed of 15. These arrived right at the end of WW1.
The most advanced German boat in 1914 was U9, with a surface speed of 14 knots.
The first German diesel boat, U13, could manage 14.8 knots. The U93, late war, class, could manage 16.8 knots.
Try doing one on the "K" class steam submarines. Or the short life and tragic end of HMS Audacity the first escort carrier (whose aircrew survivors (of which there was two) was a certain Lt (A) Eric "Winkle" Brown)
A submarine is a boat not a ship.
In this case, the displacement is big enough to be considered a ship. Thanks for the comment, have a great week.
In regard to the Iron Duke, I'd like to point out that the Germans did not use pounds but kg in their bombs, and it causes me grief that this is perpetuated in a lot of literature, which insist on saying the bombs were 500 lb, which is less than half the actual size carried by the Ju-88 which made the attack, the correct weight being ~1100 lbs. One of the worst offenders on this subject is the book "Red duster, White Ensign", if anyone read it, it used to be very popular.
Hey man I really appreciate your comment, I get comments from both sides of the argument. I typically use metric when discussing German or other European powers and since a vast majority of my audience uses imperial units I get angry comments telling me to put into imperial units. Nevertheless, since I was directly quoting from RA Burt, I wasn’t going to change numbers.
If you say “Fairy swordfish “ show a Fairy Swordfish which the pic is not
excellent content, but a little slower would be a good idea. not everybody has english as their first language,. are you paid by words per minute?
And the winner of the most boring voice in the world goes to……
Thanks for the comment, have a great week :)