Thanks for watching, everyone! I hope you found this rendition of 'Weird and Wacky Ships' interesting. Now, I do apologize for my pronunciation; Russian is pretty hard!
Great channel, good work. Great visuals, good reading (thanks for avoiding AI BS)... Though, I would like a list of sources- maybe in the notes? 😊 Edit- Oh... there they are! Excellent! (Sub, +1, etc!)
Those Italians actually had a secret underwater base deep in the mud of the Black Sea. Prince Borghese would each night go out and lure Russian women into the sea with his Siren song, riding a giant king crab. After years in the water his feet fused and he grew a lobster tail.
Hey the Guilio Cesare was a good ship.. for 1914. The terrible condition it was kept in and the running into the mine was the Russians fault. To quote Indy: "that belongs in a museum!"
Giulio Cesare was a good ship for 1914 but it was also totally and I mean totally rebuilt in the mid thirties and emerged as a totally modern, re-engined, reimagined battleship. The Russkies got a good ship and totally didn't take care of it.
@@donaldlevine1420It was very clear a modern battleship was now pointless. Especially for a nation like Russia with little real use for capital ships other than as a luxury.
@@donaldlevine1420 just gotta remind you that this piece of shit sank 1 year before the introduction of a tiny 170 tons displacement Pr.205 Mosquito which made all those huge ass battleships completely obsolete
@@donaldlevine1420 it was an okeyish ship. It may have been rebuilt but at it's core it was still a dreadnought. A remnant of a bygone era. It was small and thus fragile and carried low caliber guns.
Fascinating! The Popovkas were extraordinary vessels. In hindsight it is easy to write them off as lunatic inventions, but if one considers that they were completely novel ideas, built in very difficult circumstances, with scant connexion to any external industry, then the construction and launch of these ships is even more amazing. Certainly, force of personality had a lot to do with this, but also a deep love of country and the intention to protect it. If nothing else, this episode in Russian ship design and building is a testament to ingenuity and determination [even if it might not be fashionable to say so these days]. The sad end of Julio Cesare - what can I say? Mines are discriminate things, and if one had been overlooked (easily done - we 'found' a bouncing bomb buried on a Scottish beach not many years ago, that was still potent) and went off later, one should not be surprised. Not evacuating surplus crew to avoid 'needless panic' was such a typical behavior of that time; I am surprised the losses were not greater. Yet another awesome piece of work. Thank you so much.
I really do agree with you Clive, Russian ingenuity and determination is something to admire, even if it is not fashionable to say! The poor Giulio Cesare did not deserve to go down like that, and quite frankly, I might suggest to some other RUclips channels who might be more open to discussing politics to delve into the aftermath of the sinking because it got a lot of people "fired". Thanks for the comment, always happy to read them!
The "popovkas" were a technological dead end, but for their time and role they weren't bad. Not *good* exactly, but not bad. As for Stalin's desire for a modern battleship, it's kind of amusing how the Western Allies handled that. When Roma got sunk by a Fritz-X when sailing to Malta to be interned, the US and UK were like "sorry Joe, that one was yours" and called dibs on the other two Littorio-class battleships. (Stalin's mistake in that regard was that he probably should've demanded that ~30% complete Impero be handed over for completion in the USSR. While the superstructure, armament, and armor had all not yet been installed, the ship was still a lot further along than any of the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship that got cancelled and scrapped post-WW2.)
Those round coastal protection vessels were SO ugly, but still so cool to see pictures of because nobody understands what they are and what they were intended to do.
It was a German mine, I believe. How are a handful of Italian frogmen going to covertly make their way into Sevastopol harbor and place a demolition charge as large as a small car? I will acknowledge the bravery and skill of the Italian Frogmen, but I think this is beyond their abilities.
Given Turkish friendliness towards Nato and how italian frogmen had a fanciful use of converted torpedoes as big if not bigger than a small car there is a small chance. Besides why would a nation ever willingly admit or disclose such an operation.
Yeah the Russian/Italian battleship was a mine. Heck we still find bombs and mines today in the middle of cities during constructions and quite often after having teared down a building that have just been sitting on top of it
The Italians sure made beautiful battleships! The crater on the seafloor, to me, clearly indicates a mine buried in the mud. A torpedo or a humongous limpet mine wouldn't create a seafloor crater of any significance, IMO.
I have the Warship annuals from 1989 to 2024 and 2025 on order. They did 12 annuals while the magazine was being done and I have Volume I-IV with V on the way. I want to get the remaining VI to XII. 1989 was Volume XII in the series. I highly, highly, highly recommend the Warship annul to anyone who has an interest mostly in naval subjects from around 1850 to present day. I mean where else are you going to find a history of the development of drainage in pre-dreadnought RN battleships over several classes. This was interesting.
I'm surprised that they did not think to put some additional rudder structures on the beam ends of the round ships, to help with steering and spin control!
I guess the other thing to bear in mind with the monitors, is at least for the original designs they were monitors. It's obvious now that an ocean going battleship makes minimal sense in terms of the hydrodynamics. But if the idea is armoured floating gun emplacements like most monitors tend To be, they seem to have actually fulfilled that role quite well.
I really don’t disagree. They weren’t the worst ships, but out of the designs I’ve covered in this series they certainly are the oddest, and using the word “terrible” is a bit extreme I’ll be honest.
I actually think the circular shape of the Papuvkas could have had some advantages. Mainly that spinning could’ve been exploited to give them a ridiculous turning time. Essentially turning them into floating turrets.
Hey really good video, enjoyed it alot but i would love if you could flash metric measurements on screen when you're mentioning any, i understand imperial but still it would be of help!
I must have misremembered, I thought there was a "Popovka" involved in the Crimean War. But, that's earlier than the dates mentioned in the video so might be it was only proposed. There's a certain dreadful similarity in the story of the ex-Italian battleship sinking. Like several WW II incidents, the crews didn't realize right away that the ship was doomed. Not having the right damage control information certainly didn't help.
#137 Your best guess about the Battleship Sinking is probably correct. Lets remember the sailors that lost their lives and never forget them. It was a sad ending to the Russian Battleship era.
Novgorods armaments being in poor condition i wouldn't have thought a real issue as Russia would have to buy ammunition from Italy or buy/make machinery to make their own ammunition. Much cheaper to strip and replace with their own weapons. With the probable exception of main and possible secondary armament!
Unfortunately I do not, as they were only briefly mentioned in the initial designs. If I were to guess, based off the time period, they'd be some iteration of a Krupp gun as most Russian artillery of the period was manufactured by Krupp.
I get it but round ships that had never been done by an industry that was new to building. Man idk just seems stupid, corrupt, and insane but perfectly understandable for 1873
Would like but cannot upvote since I do not understand the units of measurement used in this video. How wide is an 80 feet wide circle? 25 meters, 30 meters? How much is a 20 inch draft? Who knows.
I do apologize. You have to understand a majority of my audience is American and I get plenty of comments when I don’t include imperial units, and vice versa when it comes to Europeans with metric. Saying both gets extremely tedious as well. It’s a very interesting situation.
And wait, are you talmbout Peter Popoff, the televangelist? He was always sending me pieces of stone and a piece of cloth that he claimed to be a piece of Jesus's robe...yeah, sure bruh.
When ever you hear of anything of Russian origin, it always comes with adjectives like "horrible, terrible, 100 yrs old obsolete tech, poor, cheap, ripped off, expensive but ineffective"
According to who? The adjectives associated with Russian tech are generally "cheap, reliable, easy to maintain" . Which is why most of the world uses it. It gets the job done efficiently and cheaply.
Calling the Russian navy bad is like calling dirt “dirt” everyone already knows it sucks you aren’t saying anything new. A better question is when was it actually good ?
the ships themselves werent bad, but the most incompetent crews can manage to sink decent vessels. moskvas design has its weaknesses, but being sunk by a drone while they had their radars off, armament in poor state and damage con equipment locked away due to theft from crew certainly didnt help
Weird and terrible video. Popovkas - weird? Yes. Terrible? Not exactly. Novorossijsk weird and terrible? Not in the slightest. Perhaps you should invest a little more time in thinking about the name and content of the video?
"This channel doesn't have any content" There is a word for people who produce nothing themselves and only tear down other's work: the word is "shitbird".
Thanks for watching, everyone! I hope you found this rendition of 'Weird and Wacky Ships' interesting. Now, I do apologize for my pronunciation; Russian is pretty hard!
Great channel, good work. Great visuals, good reading (thanks for avoiding AI BS)... Though, I would like a list of sources- maybe in the notes? 😊
Edit- Oh... there they are! Excellent! (Sub, +1, etc!)
Novorissyk:
"Do you see Italian torpedo boats?"
More like Italian frogmen.
Those Italians actually had a secret underwater base deep in the mud of the Black Sea. Prince Borghese would each night go out and lure Russian women into the sea with his Siren song, riding a giant king crab.
After years in the water his feet fused and he grew a lobster tail.
If Kamchatka is not here the list is wrong
In the future my friend, just not here :)
So you write a comment before even watching?????
I never heard anything about Kamchatka being a weird or terrible design. Just cursed with bad officers.
The Kamchatka could've been state of the art and the crew still would've been an embarrassment
Why? Do you see torpedo boats?
Hey the Guilio Cesare was a good ship.. for 1914. The terrible condition it was kept in and the running into the mine was the Russians fault. To quote Indy: "that belongs in a museum!"
Giulio Cesare was a good ship for 1914 but it was also totally and I mean totally rebuilt in the mid thirties and emerged as a totally modern, re-engined, reimagined battleship. The Russkies got a good ship and totally didn't take care of it.
@@donaldlevine1420It was very clear a modern battleship was now pointless. Especially for a nation like Russia with little real use for capital ships other than as a luxury.
@@donaldlevine1420 just gotta remind you that this piece of shit sank 1 year before the introduction of a tiny 170 tons displacement Pr.205 Mosquito which made all those huge ass battleships completely obsolete
@@donaldlevine1420 it was an okeyish ship. It may have been rebuilt but at it's core it was still a dreadnought. A remnant of a bygone era. It was small and thus fragile and carried low caliber guns.
I thought you were going to mention Soviet “aircraft carrying cruisers” like the Kiev class
Not quite, a little too modern for me. Maybe someday in the future :)
@@ImportantNavalHistory can't wait ;)
Fascinating! The Popovkas were extraordinary vessels. In hindsight it is easy to write them off as lunatic inventions, but if one considers that they were completely novel ideas, built in very difficult circumstances, with scant connexion to any external industry, then the construction and launch of these ships is even more amazing. Certainly, force of personality had a lot to do with this, but also a deep love of country and the intention to protect it. If nothing else, this episode in Russian ship design and building is a testament to ingenuity and determination [even if it might not be fashionable to say so these days].
The sad end of Julio Cesare - what can I say? Mines are discriminate things, and if one had been overlooked (easily done - we 'found' a bouncing bomb buried on a Scottish beach not many years ago, that was still potent) and went off later, one should not be surprised. Not evacuating surplus crew to avoid 'needless panic' was such a typical behavior of that time; I am surprised the losses were not greater.
Yet another awesome piece of work. Thank you so much.
I really do agree with you Clive, Russian ingenuity and determination is something to admire, even if it is not fashionable to say! The poor Giulio Cesare did not deserve to go down like that, and quite frankly, I might suggest to some other RUclips channels who might be more open to discussing politics to delve into the aftermath of the sinking because it got a lot of people "fired". Thanks for the comment, always happy to read them!
The "popovkas" were a technological dead end, but for their time and role they weren't bad. Not *good* exactly, but not bad.
As for Stalin's desire for a modern battleship, it's kind of amusing how the Western Allies handled that. When Roma got sunk by a Fritz-X when sailing to Malta to be interned, the US and UK were like "sorry Joe, that one was yours" and called dibs on the other two Littorio-class battleships.
(Stalin's mistake in that regard was that he probably should've demanded that ~30% complete Impero be handed over for completion in the USSR. While the superstructure, armament, and armor had all not yet been installed, the ship was still a lot further along than any of the Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship that got cancelled and scrapped post-WW2.)
Those round coastal protection vessels were SO ugly, but still so cool to see pictures of because nobody understands what they are and what they were intended to do.
It was a German mine, I believe. How are a handful of Italian frogmen going to covertly make their way into Sevastopol harbor and place a demolition charge as large as a small car? I will acknowledge the bravery and skill of the Italian Frogmen, but I think this is beyond their abilities.
Given Turkish friendliness towards Nato and how italian frogmen had a fanciful use of converted torpedoes as big if not bigger than a small car there is a small chance. Besides why would a nation ever willingly admit or disclose such an operation.
Well... they did something like this with the british during ww2. Placing a mine under Queen Elizabeth when she was docked in Malta if I'm not wrong
@@timber_wulf5775 such an operation would have had zero material benefit to Italy, while carrying vast political ramifications.
Well the Italians did build a ship specifically to do such things.
They ruined the Omaha-Class gave to them and ruined Giulio Cesare 😭
Yeah the Russian/Italian battleship was a mine. Heck we still find bombs and mines today in the middle of cities during constructions and quite often after having teared down a building that have just been sitting on top of it
The Italians sure made beautiful battleships!
The crater on the seafloor, to me, clearly indicates a mine buried in the mud.
A torpedo or a humongous limpet mine wouldn't create a seafloor crater of any significance, IMO.
Every last one of them
Is the first one pictured a steam-driven hovercraft? 😅
I have the Warship annuals from 1989 to 2024 and 2025 on order. They did 12 annuals while the magazine was being done and I have Volume I-IV with V on the way. I want to get the remaining VI to XII. 1989 was Volume XII in the series. I highly, highly, highly recommend the Warship annul to anyone who has an interest mostly in naval subjects from around 1850 to present day. I mean where else are you going to find a history of the development of drainage in pre-dreadnought RN battleships over several classes. This was interesting.
I'm surprised that they did not think to put some additional rudder structures on the beam ends of the round ships, to help with steering and spin control!
Interesting!
I guess the other thing to bear in mind with the monitors, is at least for the original designs they were monitors. It's obvious now that an ocean going battleship makes minimal sense in terms of the hydrodynamics. But if the idea is armoured floating gun emplacements like most monitors tend To be, they seem to have actually fulfilled that role quite well.
I really don’t disagree. They weren’t the worst ships, but out of the designs I’ve covered in this series they certainly are the oddest, and using the word “terrible” is a bit extreme I’ll be honest.
I actually think the circular shape of the Papuvkas could have had some advantages. Mainly that spinning could’ve been exploited to give them a ridiculous turning time. Essentially turning them into floating turrets.
Hey really good video, enjoyed it alot but i would love if you could flash metric measurements on screen when you're mentioning any, i understand imperial but still it would be of help!
I vote for an overlooked mine.
Never knew a lot of that.,Very good.
I must have misremembered, I thought there was a "Popovka" involved in the Crimean War. But, that's earlier than the dates mentioned in the video so might be it was only proposed.
There's a certain dreadful similarity in the story of the ex-Italian battleship sinking. Like several WW II incidents, the crews didn't realize right away that the ship was doomed. Not having the right damage control information certainly didn't help.
#137 Your best guess about the Battleship Sinking is probably correct. Lets remember the sailors that lost their lives and never forget them. It was a sad ending to the Russian Battleship era.
Lmao, the thumbnail is an Italian ship that the Russians recieved as a warprise
Have you considered watching the video? Also, out of the thumbnail test, this is the one that won. The other options were the circular monitors.
Novgorods armaments being in poor condition i wouldn't have thought a real issue as Russia would have to buy ammunition from Italy or buy/make machinery to make their own ammunition. Much cheaper to strip and replace with their own weapons.
With the probable exception of main and possible secondary armament!
The round warships!😂😂
Do you happen to know the shot weight, or any details at all of those 20" guns?
Unfortunately I do not, as they were only briefly mentioned in the initial designs. If I were to guess, based off the time period, they'd be some iteration of a Krupp gun as most Russian artillery of the period was manufactured by Krupp.
I get it but round ships that had never been done by an industry that was new to building. Man idk just seems stupid, corrupt, and insane but perfectly understandable for 1873
A great look at some wacky and weird warships. Looks like someone left the vodka cabinet unlocked again!!
Sometimes it's the best way to get the creative juices flowing!
Black Sea flag ships don’t have a lot of luck!
It was Italians. They are known for doing this. Viribus Unitis was already given to State of SHS as Jugoslavia bit was bombed by Itals.
as an italian, if i was a silor of regia maria, i would have liked to put a timer in the cordite storage
But... isn't that ALL Russian/Soviet ships? 🤣
You obviously forget the Zumwalts...... already mothballed. 😂
@No-timeforimbecilesin the West, whataboutism is considered an admission of defeat.
@No-timeforimbeciles mothballed and yet also recieving brand new weapons? Get real man.
V is for Vendetta which is an Italian word which means "revenge." It ultimately traces to the Latin verb vindicta, of the same meaning.
Would like but cannot upvote since I do not understand the units of measurement used in this video. How wide is an 80 feet wide circle? 25 meters, 30 meters? How much is a 20 inch draft? Who knows.
I do apologize. You have to understand a majority of my audience is American and I get plenty of comments when I don’t include imperial units, and vice versa when it comes to Europeans with metric. Saying both gets extremely tedious as well. It’s a very interesting situation.
And wait, are you talmbout Peter Popoff, the televangelist? He was always sending me pieces of stone and a piece of cloth that he claimed to be a piece of Jesus's robe...yeah, sure bruh.
When ever you hear of anything of Russian origin, it always comes with adjectives like "horrible, terrible, 100 yrs old obsolete tech, poor, cheap, ripped off, expensive but ineffective"
and yet it seems to beat western garbage every time
According to who? The adjectives associated with Russian tech are generally "cheap, reliable, easy to maintain" . Which is why most of the world uses it. It gets the job done efficiently and cheaply.
Русские и советские корабли строились и предназначались для защиты берегов и это было то, что накладывало отпечаток на их внешности и характеристиках
That was the intent, but incompetence got in the way.
Calling the Russian navy bad is like calling dirt “dirt” everyone already knows it sucks you aren’t saying anything new. A better question is when was it actually good ?
At least it was only russians.
You've effectively apologised twice in the first 60 secs.
Why bother, then?
I have soft spot for Italian Battleships, except for Andrea Doria, they kinda sucked.
I appreciated you calling Nikolaev with its real name, and not with that grotesque, non-existent ukrainian "mykolaiijiiv" name!
Frogmen did it
Winner 🏆. Best ugly ship ❤❤❤❤
Otoh Russian ships are pretty hot in Azur Lane
German mine
It was so lonely that it wanted a hug.
Terrible russian ships? What about the Kursk Submarine, or the cruiser Moskva.
The crews and the COs in those vessels had inadequacies.
the ships themselves werent bad, but the most incompetent crews can manage to sink decent vessels.
moskvas design has its weaknesses, but being sunk by a drone while they had their radars off, armament in poor state and damage con equipment locked away due to theft from crew certainly didnt help
Boats!
Too much vodka and lack of discipline...
Good video except the narration had that annoying 19yr old student giving a droning oral report tone.
Close, I'm a 22 year old student :)
@ImportantNavalHistory Have you not learned figurative language at your school yet?
Nope ;) Have a great week Rosemary, God bless.
@ImportantNavalHistory And you as well, praise be to the highest!
@@ImportantNavalHistory Learn how to do better. I was reading aloud better than this when I was in the sixth grade.
Terrible Russian ships?
You're going to have to be a lot more specific.
Most Russian ships in history were actually fairly adequate or even good
@luciusartorius3437 Throws binoculars.
Weird and terrible video. Popovkas - weird? Yes. Terrible? Not exactly. Novorossijsk weird and terrible? Not in the slightest. Perhaps you should invest a little more time in thinking about the name and content of the video?
Oh I did, just have to look at it in different ways :). Have a great week friend, God bless.
Ineffective: "your opinions are wrong!"
Effective: {making your video supporting your own opinions}
"This channel doesn't have any content"
There is a word for people who produce nothing themselves and only tear down other's work: the word is "shitbird".