Are a lot of viewers not realizing im not connecting "The Party was for you" to "I can hear sounds", I'm connecting "The Party Was For You" to "I can hear sounds, & It was for me" as if its 2 parts of the same thought? Not individually. Lots of comments seem to be treating them individually which is the exact thing I suggested we might try not doing.
Okay. It should be no shock to you that I'm here to respond haha - you have summoned me. Maybe it's being a little biased but to me "I can hear sounds." feels like a normal answer to "Does he still talk to you?" - and also with FNAF World and all that stuff we know the plush IS still talking to him and "putting him back together" so it all checks out there too that he IS still hearing it. So I'm not sure how else to respond to that one honestly because TO ME that actually DOES seem like a normal response to it. Then the whole "Do you have dreams?" -> "I'm scared." thing seems to be a bit of a stretch too, sure, but NOT when you actually put it together with the very in-your-face drawing of a NIGHTMARE directly NEXT TO that very question about dreams which is in a page about DREAMS despite it not being SPECIFICALLY "nightmares" - which you didn't mention that drawing here but I think it's a VERY IMPORTANT part of this. Under the perspective of a puzzle maker, that in itself is a very direct and clear visual clue provided for us to put the question together with the image to get the final answer "I'm scared". It just makes the puzzle a little harder as the connection could be easily missable. If the Nightmare drawing was on the other page sure it's stretchy, but it's directly NEXT TO the question. Then the countless mirror reflection stuff throughout the book JUST HAPPENS to then spell out Dave WITHOUT having to do anything to FORCE it into Dave at all. Also another point to that is a similar thing happens with the "Does he still talk to you?" question, alone and seperate who in the world is Cassidy talking about? Afton? Michael? Who is 'he"? We only figure that out by putting the question together with the visual clue also right next to it - making Cassidy's question clear. So what dreams is Cassidy asking about here? Well let's clear it up by using another visual clue, here's a nightmare image - boom, she's talking about Nightmares. I get that you think the tally marks mean something and I completely get it, but honestly, quite unfortunately, I don't think they do and personally I don't think just because the solution doesn't make use of the tally marks is another reason to debunk it. The tallies are just a set of 5s and a single 4 with no hints or anything on how to use them, so I don't see a true possible code coming out of that. I also feel like it's odd to have a number puzzle equal to Cassidy but then another number puzzle/clue has nothing to do with it, I think it ALSO being a number clue instead means it's aiding towards starting the look for Cassidy (which I did suggest in my video and gave some evidence for that with it redirecting to the "MY NAME" page that's a doubled up page for a Cassidy letter) which is entirely number based. Continuing with that and that then means that the Dave solution is made via word usage, while all of the number usage is for Cassidy, which I think makes a LOT of sense. Also another solution Ozone suggested is that the 7x 5 tallies is representing Cassidy (7 letters) from the 5 MCI while the 1x 4 is for Dave (4 letters) the seperate death, which yes switches the method for the two names, but just like their solutions do with words instead of numbers, Cassidy writing faded to help get Dave's name while Dave is altering words to help get Cassidy's name, etc. Honestly if there are 999 failed attempts at this puzzle and 1 attempt actually works but just requires a little stretching (although when combined with the visual/context clues is NO LONGER a stretch), it seems like that 1 working solution might just be the right one... especially when there is NO proposed alternative. Good video though, god-like editing this is insane and the crispiest Logbook assets I've seen in a FNAF video I am so glad you re-did. TL;DR I like the video, but will defend Dave forever and think it's incredibly solid with a bunch of evidence. :')
I think putting the conversation in a mire normal format will make it sound a lot better. " Hey, can you hear anything?" " Yeah, I can hear sounds from somewhere" Just a little editing make it sound a lot more like a sentence, without actually changing anything important In the two quotes.
Yeah I feel it's very weird to say I'm scared isn't a good pairing with the dreams when the drawings next to it. Especially when the next solution posed by the video is "I can hear sounds" being a response with "the party was for you"
I think there comes a point where youre just looking too deep into things. The book having a line saying "tally up your score" and the tally marks adding up to 39, one of the incorrect page numbers for Cassidy, makes me 100% confident that's what the tally marks are for, leaving very little left to solve for CC's name. Dave has a consistent method, uses almost all the unanswered parts of the book, and connects well to the rest of the franchise. I think it's safe to say this is it.
A couple things I will say is that both the Crying Child and David Murray carried around plushies that were important to them, and that Hyper Droid's tally mark solution does make sense. There's 7 sets of 5 (Cassidy has 7 letters in her name, and she's the 5th MCI victim) and 1 set of 4 (Dave has 4 letters, an d he may have been the 1st death)
It's really strange that you find the "Do you have dreams?"/"I'm scared" pairing to be too much of a stretch, but you're proposing that "The party was for you" and "I can hear sounds" can somehow be logically connected, even if you try to use "It was for me" as some dubious bridge between them. I'm unsure why you don't apply this level of skepticism to your own theory. Further, tying two responses to the same question feels functionally useless for the purposes of the puzzle, since the second response doesn't add any extra context that would help point readers in the right direction for solving the puzzle, and even arguably makes things more confusing.
9:01 Ozone actually brought the tally marks up in his reaction to it. There is one 4 and 7 Fives. One 4 = One name with 4 letters = Dave. 7 Fives = One name with 7 letters = Cassidy. It's trying to tell us the amount of letters in each of the names we are looking for.
If "one four" means "one four-letter name", why doesn't "seven fives" mean "seven five-letter names"? This feels strangely inconsistent. Like, I get that if this were true then it would be neat, but I think it's just a coincidence.
Yeah I'm gonna have to go with a hard no It's not that much of a stretch to say that each Question and Answer match up, sure Hyperdroid's solution isn't completely waterproof, but they match up well enough that it can be excused, plus Hyperdroid's comment on this video further strengthens this solution The lack of results on your end also doesn't help, you can't really say the Crying Child's name isn't Dave when you can't provide an alternative
If you want an alternative sure. Use Garrett. Mathew says that their goal in the movie was to fill lingering questions from the lore community and one of those questions would be “what’s the crying child’s name?” Yeah sure the movie isn’t canon to the games timeline but same can be said for the books. In fact hyper droid is even using William’s aliases as proof that it’s Dave. Also the books are also how we manage to find the name Charlie so bite victim being name dropped in the movies make sense.
No, "If you can't come up with an alternative, the accepted answer must be right." Is bad logic. One can find the flaws in an argument without having a counter. That being said, CC's name is Dave and I can't be convinced otherwise. Just keep in mind for future theorizing. Take "phone guy is the murderer" from FNAF 1. Is it a reasonable answer? Not really, there's no evidence for it. Does that mean one who thought that solution was bad should just magic the name "William Afton" into existence? Also no (in this hypothetical, pretend FNAF 1 just came out and there are no other games that have come out)
i understande there are problems with this solution, but there is way less of them than anything else we have. Its solid enough for me, so i don't see any problem with calling him Dave rn. I'll gladly change my mind if we ever find a better solutionfor the Foxy grid.
One thing I would like to add is just how satisfying Dave is, not only from a lore perspective but also from a puzzle makers perspective. It being a biblical name and it implying that William's undercover name is his son it's just so smooth. I saw a video talking about how HyperDroid was not the first person to come up with Dave and people deserve fair credit BUT it does also show that it is a consistent solution. With it being a puzzle book I think that's super important for the experience and the confirming of huge lore regardless if some of the methods a little unsatisfying. Supposing someone did come up with another solution would it feel as solid and conclusive as Dave? It just makes me wonder if occam's razor should be applied in this situation.
I honestly think "I can't see" and "I can hear sounds" pair together better, as do "It was for me" and "I'm scared". He can't see, but he can hear things. The party was for him, and involved quite a lot of fear.
…Did you even watch Hyperdroid’s video, or just see/read a bad summary of it? The tallymarks aren’t ignored - he says they’re probably just meant to point to page 39 and start the search for Cassidy’s name when the reader realizes there’s two page 39s, one of which has "My Name" written on a gravestone. Personally, I think they may also be a subtle hint that we’re meant to use the wordsearch to find Cassidy’s name. The 5 tallymark in a group crosses over the previous ones, like how you cross out a word in a wordsearch. It’s a bit of a stretch to be sure, but I can’t think of anything else in the book that indicates there’s more to the wordsearch than the altered words. I think Dave is far and away the most likely solution. That being said, a lot of people have pointed out that the Evan solution used inconsistent methods for its solution, and that a good puzzle shouldn’t have those inconsistencies - and I want to push against that a bit. It’s true that a good puzzle *shouldn’t* have inconsistent solutions, but it happens all the time! We’re told in the Portal series that we cannot shoot a portal onto a moving surface - except the one time when we can, because plot. The clocktower puzzle in Myst frustrated many people because it uses a mechanic that is not explained and is never used again. It’s also why I find it so frustrating that the yellow character in Midnight Motorist is more or less confirmed by FLaF to be William Afton - talk about inconsistency! If a character that’s *always* been purple before even when it makes no sense to do so (if it’s because he’s “in the shadows,” why is he purple in FNaF 4 when the other character in the room is clearly visible? The only plausible reason is to tell us that that’s William. And given that MM takes place at night, it would make plenty of sense for him to be purple!) is suddenly portrayed as yellow, of COURSE that’s going to confuse people. Hell, in the early days there was confusion over whether William’s sprites were all the same person or if there was a Purple Guy and a Pink Guy! Yet somehow THAT inconsistency is fine - it’s just “oh sure, he uses yellow text sometimes and the suit is yellow, so now that we’re *told* it’s William everything’s hunky-dory” or “It would’ve been hard to see him against the dark background with the rain if he was purple” to which I say: the Puppet in the Security Puppet minigame is mostly dark gray, and it’s still perfectly visible in the same conditions! Hell, the CAR is purple! I get that there was confusion over who Purple Guy was due to Mike's status at the end of Sister Location, but there needed to be a much stronger connection between William and the color yellow for that to have been a good way to show it's William. Anyway, while I think the puzzle in the Security Logbook was in fact designed to be consistent, the series as a whole hasn’t been (see also: Save *Him*) and getting too caught up in making sure everything works 100% perfectly and not allowing for some flexibility isn’t going to be productive. “You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy.” and all that. You’re also welcome to join my joke theory that “I’m scared” is a dad-joke level response to “Do you remember your name?” that gives us the rare-but-not-impossible name of “Cave” when that page number is used for Foxy grid coordinates :P
I’m like 100% sure “save him” was the single retcon Scott mentioned so many years ago. I don’t recall what games were out when he said it, but I remember that FNaF 2 was already out. And in the post he said the retcon was seamless and nobody was really even talking about it, which perfectly fits with “save him” since basically nobody even mentioned it in theories. But like, retconning a single instance of the word “him” because the character that wasn’t even a character yet was later decided to be a girl? Yeah, that seems like a perfect fit to me
While I agree that the foxy grid just has SO MANY possibilities that it is basically unsolvable, I do think Dave is the most likely answer in my opinion
The page where the dream question is asked with a nightmare Freddy drawing, so CC answering “I’m scared” makes sense. It can even be that Cassidy asked, Mike did the drawing, and CC altered the text to say I’m scared because of Mike’s drawing being a nightmare he saw before. No other answer fits as seamless to that question. I would expect a young child that’s traumatized to respond saying his emotions and not a calm response. Also he’s limited to altering text, so I doubt he can be as descriptive. I hear sounds makes sense if what he’s hearing doesn’t sound legible to him and he struggle to understand it. If he’s hearing sounds that he can’t make out, a traumatized child, and he’s also limited by how much he can respond with then his response makes sense. I don’t think the 2 responses for 1 question makes too much sense and gets us further away from a clean answer. You would have to find an answer that not only works , but also utilizes the mirror. I believe HyperDroid was on point with the tally marks leading the reader to finding the name on the grave stone.
I think Dave is probably the neatest solution we’ve got, although not perfect. Something you did miss in the Hyper Droid video was the part where he goes over the tally marks and gives a fair answer to them. Basically they add up to the page number where the gravestone with “My Name,” is on. Keep in mind it’s also a RED gravestone meaning Mike drew the gravestone himself and not Cassidy. So the red tally marks leads to a red gravestone that starts the search for the name Cassidy. As for the responses I can see a way that keeps its logic. You’ve already explained the first 2 yourself so I’m not going over those 2. However the response “I can hear sounds,” is a legitimate response if CC can’t really make out what he’s hearing. So maybe CC is in a state where he cannot see, but he’s just lucid enough to make out sounds but not what they are. As for the “I’m scared,” response this is actually something important. So going back to Cassidy’s name search real quick the entire connecting piece of who Cassidy is comes from a drawing Mike made. The red gravestone is literally the thing that connects Cassidy to the Missing Child Incident, and without it we likely would’ve called CC Cassidy. So if Mike can provide a massive link for Cassidy, then why can’t he do something similar to CC. It’s important to note none of the questions (besides the purple phone one) has a drawing made by Mike, EXCEPT for the “Do you still dream,” question. That question has Mike specifically draw Nightmare Fredbear right next to the question. So it’s likely CC is responding to both the drawing and question, connecting them by saying “he’s too scared to dream or else the nightmares would haunt him.” However, because he’s barely lucid enough for anything all of his answers are simplified and he only says “I’m scared.”
Here’s my interpretation under Shattervictim. Cassidy asks Garret, “Do you remember your name?” This one is unanswered obviously because just as silver eyes tells us, spirits tend to forget after all. And when Cassidy isn’t given a name she goes on to ask more specific questions about the person to help them find themselves. “Do any of these toys look familiar to you? Or one of these belong to you?” This one is supposed to be a visual only on the pages, now here is where the actual responses come in. The crying child would reply “I’m scared, I can’t see, [but] I can hear sounds. After Cassidy finds out what is really happening she’s asks “Was your favourite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone?” If you can’t see what is being presented to you then I’ll just have to ask you one by one! And since Garret can only listen, Cassidy asks “is this song familiar to you?” There is also an unseen conversation where we just to “the party was for you” and then Garret replies “it was for me” I believe in CassidyReceiver so my interpretation of what’s going on is that the party was originally meant for the bite victim because we use the crying child’s memories for the MCI. I don’t believe we should be trying to find the crying child’s name in the SLogbook because it seems like it was centered mainly on finding Cassidy’s name only, sure we can find names like Dave and Evan but we can also find Sans and Sam if you use any formula you want. For the meantime we should use Garret even if it isn’t right since movies and games are in a different continuity it’s used as a placeholder for the crying child so why can’t we, the community do the same? ALSO, SCOTT BEING A CHRISTAN DOES NOT PROVE DAVE IS HIS NAME, yeah David and Michael are biblical names but why are there names like William, Garrett, Fitzgerald and Smith in the franchise if we’re going by that logic, do you think anyone knows that David is beloved in Hebrew? No, it’s a name you’ll hear everywhere because it’s one of the most common names.
I don't know what to say, this is Matpat's level of craziness. It may not line up perfectly but it works for the most part. I understand that the responses are incredibly cryptic and definitely not how a normal person would answer but, so is a lot of monologues and dialogues in this franchise, like the dialogues in fnaf world. I think what you pointed out is compelling, but I don't believe in it at all. I had a simpler hunch, but it all just sounds like Matpat syndrome, paranoia.
Alright this response might be a bit long, if so i apologize. Let's consider our answers. "what do you see?"/"i can't see" "The party was for you"/"it was for me" I absolutely believe these are correct. They are direct answers. No doubt these are responses to the questions asked. "Does he still talk to you?"/"i can hear sounds" If you reframe how you're thinking about his answer. He's not just randomly saying that he can hear. He's saying, while he used to able to talk to, who i can only assume is plush Fredbear, now their voice is only sounds. If CC was in fnaf world, it makes sense that they're having this conversation in reality now with Cassidy, so they can't hear fredbear anymore. "Do you still have dreams?"/"im scared" Again, i understand where you're coming from, but considering this is our last cc response i think Scott wanted these answers to become progressively more difficult to tie together just so it wasn't extremely easy. But if you consider cc was asked about his dreams, the very last "dream" he has was from the fnaf 4 bedroom. Its perfectly reasonable to assume he was asked this question, recalled his memories of Shadow Freddy, freaked out and got scared, hence the response "I'm scared". I believe these questions were supposed to be escalating not only in difficulty for lore solvers, but in severity for Dave. Connecting them together in that sense.
If people used names like Evan or Dave for the CC then Scott would probably just go along and make one of them official. Similar as how he did with Golden Freddy. Concidering that we can't solve the logbook.
@@depressSpaghett which is totally possible for crying child, Golden Freddy has never been confirmed. Heck People still theorize he doesn't possess anything and just follows Mike. Also using possession as a reason why Garrett isn't crying child doesn't work, as for example, Cassidy possessed Bonnie in the books, Michael Brooks (Who has never been confirmed in the games) possesses Golden Freddy while being the sole soul inside it, and Pete from step-closer is implied to start possessing Foxy, which is probably not the case in the games as Foxy's only implied soul is Fritz. Probably other examples, but I can't think of anything else right now.
I understand your point in this video, however I think that the name Dave is the best/most accurate/correct(?) answear that we will get. Your idea isn't bad at all but I just can't see "The party was for me" and "I can hear sounds" responding to Cassidy's "the party was for you" question/statement. While I see how "I can't see" and "I'm scared" could be a single response, the whole process starts falling apart with the other two answers. And while your metod isn't a nessecarily bad one, in my opinion HyperDroid's Dave theory holds up much more with how much importance and cameos(?) the name already holds, from being Afton's disguise in the book trilogy to fazbear frights stories and more.
I believe I can hear sounds is a follow up for I can’t see. Cassidy asks “What do you see? Are only of these toys familiar to you? Do any of these belong to you?” Garrett replies “I can’t see, but I can hear sounds” The fact that Cassidy asks later on “Was your favourite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone” means she understands the situation Garrett is in. As for Dave being Afton’s aliases isn’t really a good argument since there’s much more convincing evidence for Evan than Dave. In Fazbear frights Jake’s dad is named Evan and his brother is Michael.
The thing is, is there any other question that would fit those responses better? The only other question for I can hear sounds is asking about the song. None of the questions fit I’m scared better. Having two of the responses fit 1 to 1 with a question and the other two responses being complete non sequitors or interjections tied to no questions is the alternative. If that’s not the case, then you have to go with the best fit for the last two. And arguing that I can hear sounds is a response to the party was for you is a much bigger lift or stretch. If we are going with combined responses, “I can’t see, I can hear sounds” sounds like two statements that can go together, so does “I can’t see, I’m scared”. Even put all three together. But it was for me doesn’t really fit well with any of the other responses. If we go with “multiple responses to the same question” that could mean multiples of the same letter in the name. So perhaps the name has two or three E’s and a V. Steve, for example. As for other letters, what about the pages with the responses on them? [8/9 and 10/9]. 10/9 would be F, 8/9 would be D. It just seems a lot of the ‘alternative’ theories to Dave start with the connection between those questions and answers being too tenuous, and then suggesting a much more circuitous route to a solution.
@@MonkeyPlayingRblx he/she is calling this guy out for calling HyperDroid & others wrong for connecting "Does he still talk to you/I can hear sounds." Then to make a bazaar claim that you need to connect, "The Party was for you/I can hear sounds" together, when it's clearly meant to be "The Party was for you/It was for me" They also don't even come up with another name at the end. Basically this is a bad debunking video.
@@MonkeyPlayingRblx your welcome! Also one more thing. Under_Score conveniently forgets to mention the part where HyperDroid shows how next to Cassidy's question of "do you still have dreams?" relating to Dave's answer of "I'm scared" is a drawing of Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear, making "I'm scared" a perfectly valid response, as Nightmare was most likely the last thing he saw before he got bitten and before he died.
What are your thoughts on ozone’s theory. That there’s 7. Five scratched tally marks for Cassidy’s name and 1 four scratched tally mark for Dave/evans name cuz I find that a solution
The one thing about the tally marks is that all of them happen to be complete sets of 5, except for 1. If they were all meant to be separate numbers, it would be quite the coincidence for them all to be multiples of 5 except for one. However, one incomplete tally is exactly what you would expect if they were all part of the same count and they’re supposed to be added together. So I think the number of all of them added together is what’s significant, which is 39. A lot of times, tallies are used to represent days. And if you add up all of the nights from FNAF 1-6 (7+7+6+8+5+6) you also get 39. However, I have no idea what the significance could be, since Mike probably filled out the logbook before FFPS and, even if he were the night guard in every other FNAF game, he can’t have been *both* guards in FNAF 2. Regardless of whether this holds significance somehow or is a coincidence, I still think the tallies are supposed to be added together. Especially since, as you pointed out, even if you interpret each page with tallies as its own number, there’s no second coordinate to go with it.
This is what I had assumed, that Michael was tallying each night as a security guard. Personally I believe 39 as a whole is much more important than the tallies separated
It's normal to disagree to a theory, but for myself i think even a bit reach, the two answer does make sense, and if this is still nog what scott was going for, i'd say scrap the whole method cuz after this point it'll become a point of overconvoluted, the reflect of the whole grid seem more far fetched to me personally cuz its not sonething you'd connect using only the logbook itself but instead with a third hand software helping
i think that dave is a pretty solid conclusion as of now because the fact these answers are possibly a stretch doesn't necessarily mean they aren't intended i mean, we ARE talking about scott cawthon, the creator of many difficult mysteries. plus, the fact nightmare fredbear is on the page next to the question makes it seem more like "do you have nightmares?" scott wouldn't GIVE us the answers, much less making figuring them out on our own easy at all.
Didn’t schott say even tho the plot of the silver eyes is non canon he could still use plot elements in the games, what I’m getting at is crying child being dead has lost his memories and Cassidy is trying to remind him of that but so “I’m scared” could still be crying child trying to remember but all he gets is trauma, like the ultimate guide said his life is fillled with tragedy Tho I hear sounds is a little off from does he still talk to you, fredbear plush or Michael are an outside physical objects/person so from crying child’s perspective he just hears sounds he can’t talk to no one since he’s in Andrew’s place of golden Freddy while Cassidy is in jakes place
My current thoughts on each of the codes: - The tally marks are almost certainly supposed to be a single running tally, as every single mark ends with 5 except for one - The Foxy grid feels like it's trying to hint at an A1Z26 cipher, rather than telling us to fill out the entire grid. I don't think they would ask for us to do that much work when the Cassidy code was so simple in hindsight.
On an unrelated note. In ITPG, deep in the file are old assets of the FNAF 3 office despite the game taking place in the FNAF 1 location. Coincidentally, in the logbook (a visually FNAF 1 book) has Foxy in the FNAF 3 office. To me, the logbook seems to confirm that Michael Afton is Mike Schimidt, who is represented as Foxy because his also the foxy bully that gives more evidence to MikeBro. In conclusion, I think Scott updated the FNAF 1 map to look more like a restaurant than it is a game by removing the 2 hallways but giving the FNAF 1 a new design to look more like the FNAF 3 office.
Just gonna throw this out here...the chalkboard on one of the pages that has "5+9" and "3" could be showing us how to solve whatever we need to solve with the tally marks perhaps "5+9" could mean to add up the tally marks on that page and "3" could mean to use the page number I noticed that when watching the reaction matpat did to the dave theory because he mentioned the "3" was down in the bottom right like a page number
What people don't understand is that dave is supposed to be a CHILD. A CRYING CHILD. how do you expect a child to write stuff like nightmares and know what it means? Also, if the bite was something that absorbed the agony/dark remnant off of dave, does that mean that he still doesn't have proper cognitive function as his brain was bitten off? None of the answers are actually normal, but for someone with less logical capacity and beginner level english knowledge, it makes sense.
@@Trontotario if he lost his brain, he would've died on the spot, and not be in a hospital in fnaf 4. He lost a PART of it, not specified as the frontal lobe
I tried my way at cracking the Foxy Grid by using the ripped out page numbers. I was able to convert them to "Long" but I couldn't continue them due to the next page numbers being too far to fit in the grid. I tried continuing the sentence using other weird things in the book, and got "Long PP" and unless Scott decided to make the big mystery of the book a penis joke, I doubt it.
You overthinked it.. Maybe the solution is simpler just likely how Hyperdroid suggested.. The reason why we can't solve it at first is because we overthink, we always does.. I think this solution won't be much of a code that need a lot of cypher but a solution like Cassidy one or Dave one is as Scott as Scott can be, at least for me
I don't think you're wrong by any means, at least in your assessment. But as like everyone else, you've come to the wrong conclusion. Let's look at the tally marks, did You Know in the survival log book there are I want to say two page 39s on the 1st page 39 mike draws a tombstone in the tombstone it's my name to my name referring to Cassidy. The tally marks when added up equal 39, 39 being the same page number and the only page number that has two separate pages. So the tally marks are supposed to lead you to page 39 and the tombstone drawing. Which would begin the search for Cassidy's name. For the tally marks at the window that's solved that's what they're for. Now that that's done let's move on to the question and answer segment of the book. Where in Cassidy is talking to the crying child. There are a number of questions that she asks but I think, everyone misses a crucial, crucial detail. The crying child isn't the only one answering the questions. Mike also answers some of her questions which leads to confusion. What I mean by this? Well let's look at page I guess 41, I say I guess because some of the pages aren't numbered. Question: Do you have dreams? Answer: A drawing of nightmare Fredbear. Question: Was your favorite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone? Answer: A drawing of a telephone. To be fair I can't really think of another example but, I haven't really gone through the book extensively. I've already gone through it at a cursory glance but I feel like Cassidy is talking to both Mike and the crying child. Because some of the drawings seem to match up with some of her questions. Now let's look at a question that CC answered. Question: What do you see? Possible answers: "I can't see, I'm scared." "I can't see, I can hear sounds, I'm scared." I think what people aren't getting is that Mike and CC both answer questions in the book. What I think you need to do is take the questions that are answered by both of them and put them into the grid. Then you'll get the crying child's name. It just fits a little bit better I think because the crying child only answered two questions. Well technically the answer to a question and a statement, the question being what do you see. The statement being the party was for you, and Mike also has seemed to answered a few questions. The one about the dreams, and the one about the purple telephone. So what I think you need to do is go through it see if you can find any other answers they might have given Mike and the crying child. And then use that in the foxy grid.
imo "i can hear sounds" doesn't really work that naturally with "the party was for you", feels like him going on a side tangent before giving an actual answer. if you can accept that, i feel you should also be able to accept "i can hear sounds" as a response to "does he still talk to you?", despite being a bit deviated from the question
I have noticed, that not everywhere on the pages of the logbook are pizza's drawed. If we count them, we get in total 41 pizza's. Maybe that can help. I mean they are suspiciosly added their and their and not every page, where there is a frame used
It's crazy how you're calling HyperDroid & others wrong for connecting "Does he still talk to you/I can hear sounds." And saying it makes no sense Only to make a bazaar claim that you need to connect both; "The Party was for you/I can hear sounds" together, when it's clearly meant to be "The Party was for you/It was for me" Also you don't even come up with another name at the end. You also conveniently forget to mention the part where HyperDroid shows how next to Cassidy's question of "do you still have dreams?" relating to Dave's answer of "I'm scared" is a drawing of Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear, making "I'm scared" a perfectly valid response, as Fredbear was the last thing he saw before he got bitten and he was fighting off Nightmare right before he died.
Idk how nobody has noticed that The Aftons are british except for The Crying Child, which makes me think The Crying Child is not actually William Afton’s son and all the proof I need to prove that is in The Immortal and The Restless “The Baby isn’t Mine”-Dracula.
I think it does work for the Crying Child's name to be Dave, considering the consistency in the way you get that answer, as well as the fact that it's the name that William Afton takes as a psuedonym.
For anyone wondering where all Under_Score's videos went, they're all unlisted in a playlist on his channel. Not sure why but at least they're still available.
i think hyper droid’s theory about the tally marks trying to draw attention to page 39 was the right answer. to me it makes sense bc all the tallies except 1 are a group of five. and when you’re counting something, obv that’s how you group tallies- you go by fives until you have whatever number leftover at the end. it was indicating that if we tallied up the page numbers until we got 39, we would find something suspicious about the numbers printed on the page not matching our own counting.
well, the "does he still talk to you?' and "I can hear sounds" kind of match up because crying child might control everything, EXECPT the head you can add this up with the "I can't see"
He says he’s scared because the nightmare animatronic is on the page with the Do you dream question. If he can only hear sounds and not understand voices, he could respond with I hear sounds.
as much as i agree with the other commenters that the Dave answer is pretty solid, i think its really cool that you made all these resources for the community! thanks dude.
One of the reasons people started believing in the name Evan was to counter the MikeVictim theory. The better evidence came from the Real Jake story where the crying child parallel is named Evan and his brother was named Michael. The evidence for Dave isn’t much with it just being a nickname for William and the Edwin’s son. If you’re going to use nonlogbook evidence then there’s much more going for Evan than Dave. The reason so many are starting to believe in Dave is because of dual process theory’s CassidyVictim. It’s the exact same as Evan and Mike
I don’t usually make comments on videos like this but here’s something I think is worth noting. In Security Breach in order to get the rooftop ending you need to collect 39 collectibles. You also become a VIP when you collect that many collectibles. There are tally mark sticky notes that add up to 39. Also in the interactive novel VIP the character, Ike, share a few parallels to the crying child. In particular Ike had a toy he would sleep with, carry around with and talk to when no one is around. The story also seems to have connections Gregory, potentially explaining how he could’ve possibly been under Glitchtrap’s control. In one ending Ike becomes very attached to the game pad that contains a digital entity and the whole book is about getting an absurd amount of points to stop VIP. Another thing to note is that the toys in Fnaf 4 such as the telephone require a ton of tickets to win according to Help Wanted. While I don’t believe Gregory is a robotic recreation of the crying child I do believe that share some parallels that are meant to connect each other. The question has always been though, why? Why does Gregory have connections to the crying child when they are clearly different characters since the Freddy popsicles was likely removed in the Brazil ending to show that he’s not literally the crying child. I don’t know if it’s meant to show the crying child’s name is Gregory but I find it interesting that the 39 shows up in Security Breach of all places. (Also I recommend looking up 39 meaning as I found some interesting results)
One thing that I have never seen anyone talk about but that I believe is at least worth thinking about is the timeline of the book itself. We all collectively agree by now that the Security Loogbook is owned by Micheal, who writes in it in red pen, but that it also contains a conversation between two more spirits (Cassidy and the Crying Child), who write in faded and altered text. Plus, there's also a couple of sticky notes that were clearly added after the fact (such the one at the beginning saying: "This copy was already used by someone else, you don't mind, don't you?"). So, given all of this, this particular copy of the book clearly must have gone through at least four different phases: 1) The Logbook was printed as a normal book; 2) Mike acquired a copy and wrote in it in red ink; 3) That same copy was somehow (how?) haunted by Cassidy and the CC and the two had a conversation with each other [no, seriosuly, HOW did the spirits even get into the book?!]; 4) Sometime later (when?) someone else (who?) got the book and added the sticky notes. Unless ALL copies of the book (in universe) are haunted, which I find unlikely, I believe that this particular copy of the Logbook must necessarily have been haunted AFTER Mike had already acquired it, because otherwise it would have been extremely lucky for him to get the exact copy that contained his little brother's spirit. In fact, maybe the book got haunted exactly BECAUSE Mike was the owner, through agony and remnant's shenanigans, but at the moment I'm unable to figure out how or why. Also, if we really want to dig deeper into this idea, we could try to see in what order the various elements have been altered within the book itself. For example, the famous drawing on page 39 of the gravestone with the phrase "My name" on it, I believe, was done in two separate phases: the gravestone itself is in red ink, so it must have been drawn by Mike (interestingly, in the same page where the prompt asks to think about what will your life look like in five years: maybe Mike sees himself as dying soon?), and THEN Cassidy added the faded phrase "My name" on it. Also, on page 52, the drawing of the guy on the water ski with a bag of money is also in red ink, and it can be again linked to the prompt above, which asks to imagine what prize would you like to see behind the counter, but the arrow with the phrase "My name" pointing at the page number also looks like was added later by Cassidy, to point at the hints for the word search. In general, from what I've seen, Mike seems to be actually reacting to the prompts, so he's definitely got a physical copy of the Logbook in front of him while he writes. The tally marks themselves also are in red ink, meaning that it was Mike who wrote them, and that makes it harder to find a decent explanation for them. But maybe if we put ourselves in Mike's mindset while he was writing inside the book and actually try to piece together a rough timeline of how the book was modified over time (from when it was printed as a regular book to when it was later found by the sticky notes guy), maybe we can get a better idea of how all these clues fit together in context and MAYBE get a better shot at finally solving this thing.
I just got the tally marks from the Logbook and put them into the Foxy Grid using the Follow Me animatronic corners in the order of the characters fading in FNaF 4 to get the name "Sam," which is the name of one of the Freddy's founders kids in the Novel Trilogy, and returns in the Funko collab of all things. I feel like this method is consistent and gives a satisfying answer. Plus, it's a pre-established character that fits the role.
I have some questions 1. What's up with the altered text that points to crying child/the random mirror next to the crossword then? 2. Why specifically the Follow Me minigame & not something like the happiest day minigame? To my knowledge there is no evidence that Follow Me is relevant in the logbook (correct me if I'm wrong). Also using a game minigame to solve the book when no other puzzle does so seems off. Sam is a solution but it leaves a lot of unanswered/unused parts in the logbook & I don't like that as much as Dave.
What would you get if you switched the question to "I'm scared", and used "Is this song familiar to you" instead? Also a long shot, but the Week Before made me think that maybe CC is remembering the song that was playing when he was bitten, and he was remembering how he felt the last time he heard it
I find this kinda funny cause recently me and a friend did the same thing and unfortunately also came out empty-handed the problem that we have with the name Dave is not the name it's self but it's connection with william it's his fake name and doesn't fit at all if it's also the crying child's name William doesn't care for the crying child, proved by later that night another argument could be made that he was reminding Mike of 83, but why would he need that name around Mike? Not only that, but it's pretty clear that he manipulated Mike afterward, and actively insulting someone won't make them help you, and based on the message he leaves for William there is a level of care and respect it's even doubled down on in pizzeria simulator with the afton family poster and candy cadet
try 9/5 and 6/5 as coordinates, i got them from taking the name nightmare fredbear and putting them into a english alphabet and combining the number of each spot each letter takes leading to nightmare being 95 and fredbear as 65
@Under_Score What’s going on with your videos and especially that you privated this video? I’m just wondering if you’re organizing things or if you went through copyright strikes. Just hope you’re ok… There’s another BV name theory where Bruce is the name for BV. The idea came from Sire Squawks and he used the Logbook and the games to find the name
That do you mean “does he still talk to you” and “I can hear sounds” doesn’t fit he is saying that while who ever “he” is be it grandpa Willy,PFFB or whatever doesn’t talk to him can still hear said friend making sounds kinda like the fnaf 1 gang they are trying to speak but it doesn’t come out right or at least that’s how I picture it anyway
@@EggsBenedict1-z4y We know that it has been confirmed that the name "Cassiedy" is canonical, not the character (if the character was canonical, he would be haunting Bonnie) and the guy who plays Golden Freddie in the movie said that he is Cassiedy, which means that Scott uses this name depending on the sequel. that's why for me c.c is cassiedy and it just fits because you have a character (c.c.) whose story, drama, etc. you know, but you don't know the name and name but no character combine these 2 things and you get one coherent character cassiedy afton the vengeful spirit who punishes michel in ucn
What if the Crying Childs name is Gary? Like Garret from the Fnaf Movie, I know the movie isn’t canon to the games, but there are some name similarities between the Movie’s interpretation of the characters and the games interpretation of the characters.
I hate FNAF so much. Like there is no "solving" it. Its hugely popular with teens, they make it so mysterious so that they can keep people guessing and selling merchandise. and if anyone actually does "solve" any of it, they will just change it so everyone is kept guessing and that it never leaves the brains of todays teenagers. There is no cohesive story, lore or anything. Its just a bunch of cliff hangers and unanswered questions in order to make money. If people actually do "Solve" things or bread crumb crazy theories together, scott can just decide "oh thats canon now" to keep people interested and thinking it was there all along and that they solved a big mystery, when in reality its just an after thought to keep people interested.
Honestly to me the responses might just be scrambled "Does he still talk to you" Im scared And "Do have dreams?" I can hear sound Idk but to me it makes sense if you look it as a much more blunt responses Does he still talk to you? Im scared to talk to him or im scared of him Do you have dreams? I can only hear the sounds of my dreams, but not see them or maybe its the menories, he can hear them but not see or visualise them
Nah, the normal way is much better. Not sure why everyone’s so miffed about that. “Does he still talk to you?” I can hear something that sounds like him. (To me, it just sounds like an uncertain “yes”, rather than a direct clear cut answer. Which is quite believable if you’re a very confused child ghost.) “Do you still have dreams?” I don’t want to talk about that, please stop, dreams are really scary. (Technically, could be several more specific interpretations, like he’s too scared to dream or even sleep right now or he’s just scared of what his dreams were like before… But I’d assume it’s not a topic he’s happy to discuss, so not answering directly makes perfect sense.)
I maybe made a mistake when filling out mine but I got Gav.. like Gavin but I didn't record how I came to the solution at the time so Best I'll say is it's a guess...
also i just noticed that the foxy grid has some letters that are red not black and they spell out Devan. which actually kinda is a mix of both names we've already gotten like Dave and Evan .. Devan.. which is normally spelled Devon but is sometimes spelt Devan. so.. hmm
Can't we just ones and for all just say it's solved, why so ppl always to try to find a reason for it to not be solved, btw i respect your opinion and don't mean to be rude or anything like that, just telling you my point of view
Do you have dreams aka nightmares so I'm scared makes sense still to me because s dream can easily change into a nightmare at any moment also, you're dealing with a ghosts here, so you're not really going to get a "normal" response because the ghosts could be limited in their forms of perceiving the world, as implied by the books and with a child, they may not give very clear specific answers when being asked questions they may answer your questions in a way you would not expect like answering, do you still have dreams with I'm scared, as they might be reminded of nightmares when asked that question like as was stated in the series, things can be easily mistaken in the mind of a child or, however, the quote went, a child mind is going to work differently than a developed adult's mind would so a child would answer things in a different way that might not always be understood by adults
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Well, there are two variants of the Cassidy Victim theory. The first Cassidy variant of the theory suggests that Charlie was helping Cassidy remember his name. Another variant I've seen still makes Cassidy Afton an MCI victim two years after his coma, but suggests that Dave is Charlie's twin brother. I haven't played the games, read the books, or watched the movie, but every soul that possesses Golden Freddy has been a boy. Not to mention that Cassidy is a gender neutral name. So if Cassidy is his name it would fit into the nickname pattern seen for the Aftons with William= Will/Bill, Michael= Mike, Elizabeth= Beth, and Cassidy= Cass with Cass normally being a nickname for any boy named Cassidy.
I think it is dave because the way you get the N in evan is an entirely different strategy than for the other letters, and you use then Mirror to get Dave.
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Are a lot of viewers not realizing im not connecting "The Party was for you" to "I can hear sounds", I'm connecting "The Party Was For You" to "I can hear sounds, & It was for me" as if its 2 parts of the same thought? Not individually. Lots of comments seem to be treating them individually which is the exact thing I suggested we might try not doing.
Okay. It should be no shock to you that I'm here to respond haha - you have summoned me. Maybe it's being a little biased but to me "I can hear sounds." feels like a normal answer to "Does he still talk to you?" - and also with FNAF World and all that stuff we know the plush IS still talking to him and "putting him back together" so it all checks out there too that he IS still hearing it. So I'm not sure how else to respond to that one honestly because TO ME that actually DOES seem like a normal response to it.
Then the whole "Do you have dreams?" -> "I'm scared." thing seems to be a bit of a stretch too, sure, but NOT when you actually put it together with the very in-your-face drawing of a NIGHTMARE directly NEXT TO that very question about dreams which is in a page about DREAMS despite it not being SPECIFICALLY "nightmares" - which you didn't mention that drawing here but I think it's a VERY IMPORTANT part of this. Under the perspective of a puzzle maker, that in itself is a very direct and clear visual clue provided for us to put the question together with the image to get the final answer "I'm scared". It just makes the puzzle a little harder as the connection could be easily missable. If the Nightmare drawing was on the other page sure it's stretchy, but it's directly NEXT TO the question. Then the countless mirror reflection stuff throughout the book JUST HAPPENS to then spell out Dave WITHOUT having to do anything to FORCE it into Dave at all. Also another point to that is a similar thing happens with the "Does he still talk to you?" question, alone and seperate who in the world is Cassidy talking about? Afton? Michael? Who is 'he"? We only figure that out by putting the question together with the visual clue also right next to it - making Cassidy's question clear. So what dreams is Cassidy asking about here? Well let's clear it up by using another visual clue, here's a nightmare image - boom, she's talking about Nightmares.
I get that you think the tally marks mean something and I completely get it, but honestly, quite unfortunately, I don't think they do and personally I don't think just because the solution doesn't make use of the tally marks is another reason to debunk it. The tallies are just a set of 5s and a single 4 with no hints or anything on how to use them, so I don't see a true possible code coming out of that. I also feel like it's odd to have a number puzzle equal to Cassidy but then another number puzzle/clue has nothing to do with it, I think it ALSO being a number clue instead means it's aiding towards starting the look for Cassidy (which I did suggest in my video and gave some evidence for that with it redirecting to the "MY NAME" page that's a doubled up page for a Cassidy letter) which is entirely number based. Continuing with that and that then means that the Dave solution is made via word usage, while all of the number usage is for Cassidy, which I think makes a LOT of sense. Also another solution Ozone suggested is that the 7x 5 tallies is representing Cassidy (7 letters) from the 5 MCI while the 1x 4 is for Dave (4 letters) the seperate death, which yes switches the method for the two names, but just like their solutions do with words instead of numbers, Cassidy writing faded to help get Dave's name while Dave is altering words to help get Cassidy's name, etc.
Honestly if there are 999 failed attempts at this puzzle and 1 attempt actually works but just requires a little stretching (although when combined with the visual/context clues is NO LONGER a stretch), it seems like that 1 working solution might just be the right one... especially when there is NO proposed alternative. Good video though, god-like editing this is insane and the crispiest Logbook assets I've seen in a FNAF video I am so glad you re-did. TL;DR I like the video, but will defend Dave forever and think it's incredibly solid with a bunch of evidence. :')
I think putting the conversation in a mire normal format will make it sound a lot better.
" Hey, can you hear anything?"
" Yeah, I can hear sounds from somewhere"
Just a little editing make it sound a lot more like a sentence, without actually changing anything important In the two quotes.
Hey Hyperdroid, I hope you've watched Gibi's 8 hour fnaf video before releasing your 24 hour video.
The saying "I will put you back together" is said by William, said by game theory confirmed in sister location
I BELIEVE YOU HYPEDROID
Yeah I feel it's very weird to say I'm scared isn't a good pairing with the dreams when the drawings next to it. Especially when the next solution posed by the video is "I can hear sounds" being a response with "the party was for you"
I think there comes a point where youre just looking too deep into things.
The book having a line saying "tally up your score" and the tally marks adding up to 39, one of the incorrect page numbers for Cassidy, makes me 100% confident that's what the tally marks are for, leaving very little left to solve for CC's name.
Dave has a consistent method, uses almost all the unanswered parts of the book, and connects well to the rest of the franchise. I think it's safe to say this is it.
A couple things I will say is that both the Crying Child and David Murray carried around plushies that were important to them, and that Hyper Droid's tally mark solution does make sense. There's 7 sets of 5 (Cassidy has 7 letters in her name, and she's the 5th MCI victim) and 1 set of 4 (Dave has 4 letters, an d he may have been the 1st death)
That is such a good conclusion.
I think the other conclusion he had was the correct one. that they are supposed to lead you to the Cassidy hunt
that aint a coincidnce
Oh wait i just remembered the david afton theory (crying child's name) that would fit in perfectly
It's really strange that you find the "Do you have dreams?"/"I'm scared" pairing to be too much of a stretch, but you're proposing that "The party was for you" and "I can hear sounds" can somehow be logically connected, even if you try to use "It was for me" as some dubious bridge between them. I'm unsure why you don't apply this level of skepticism to your own theory. Further, tying two responses to the same question feels functionally useless for the purposes of the puzzle, since the second response doesn't add any extra context that would help point readers in the right direction for solving the puzzle, and even arguably makes things more confusing.
also not to mention he said that was farfetched and then purpose a method which reversing a whole grid which to me is even more of a stretch method
Maybe, CC's name was the friends we made along the way.
The friends we made along the way Afton*.
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EXACTLY!
9:01 Ozone actually brought the tally marks up in his reaction to it.
There is one 4 and 7 Fives.
One 4 = One name with 4 letters = Dave.
7 Fives = One name with 7 letters = Cassidy.
It's trying to tell us the amount of letters in each of the names we are looking for.
Maybe it’ll give us a name in security breach ruin with this info
@@crashbandit0483 What do you mean?
@@caldercockatoo2234 there’s tally marks in ruin too. On the walls. Idk the order. But maybe it means a name yknow
If "one four" means "one four-letter name", why doesn't "seven fives" mean "seven five-letter names"? This feels strangely inconsistent. Like, I get that if this were true then it would be neat, but I think it's just a coincidence.
@@scottcaldwell4102 Could also not be a coincidence, its just a theory atm x3
Yeah I'm gonna have to go with a hard no
It's not that much of a stretch to say that each Question and Answer match up, sure Hyperdroid's solution isn't completely waterproof, but they match up well enough that it can be excused, plus Hyperdroid's comment on this video further strengthens this solution
The lack of results on your end also doesn't help, you can't really say the Crying Child's name isn't Dave when you can't provide an alternative
Agreed. We don't have a better answer, and this one works quite well.
If you want an alternative sure. Use Garrett. Mathew says that their goal in the movie was to fill lingering questions from the lore community and one of those questions would be “what’s the crying child’s name?” Yeah sure the movie isn’t canon to the games timeline but same can be said for the books. In fact hyper droid is even using William’s aliases as proof that it’s Dave. Also the books are also how we manage to find the name Charlie so bite victim being name dropped in the movies make sense.
No, "If you can't come up with an alternative, the accepted answer must be right." Is bad logic. One can find the flaws in an argument without having a counter.
That being said, CC's name is Dave and I can't be convinced otherwise. Just keep in mind for future theorizing.
Take "phone guy is the murderer" from FNAF 1. Is it a reasonable answer? Not really, there's no evidence for it. Does that mean one who thought that solution was bad should just magic the name "William Afton" into existence? Also no (in this hypothetical, pretend FNAF 1 just came out and there are no other games that have come out)
It looks like You’re making things more complicated than they need to be
i understande there are problems with this solution, but there is way less of them than anything else we have. Its solid enough for me, so i don't see any problem with calling him Dave rn. I'll gladly change my mind if we ever find a better solutionfor the Foxy grid.
One thing I would like to add is just how satisfying Dave is, not only from a lore perspective but also from a puzzle makers perspective. It being a biblical name and it implying that William's undercover name is his son it's just so smooth. I saw a video talking about how HyperDroid was not the first person to come up with Dave and people deserve fair credit BUT it does also show that it is a consistent solution. With it being a puzzle book I think that's super important for the experience and the confirming of huge lore regardless if some of the methods a little unsatisfying. Supposing someone did come up with another solution would it feel as solid and conclusive as Dave? It just makes me wonder if occam's razor should be applied in this situation.
I honestly think "I can't see" and "I can hear sounds" pair together better, as do "It was for me" and "I'm scared". He can't see, but he can hear things. The party was for him, and involved quite a lot of fear.
…Did you even watch Hyperdroid’s video, or just see/read a bad summary of it? The tallymarks aren’t ignored - he says they’re probably just meant to point to page 39 and start the search for Cassidy’s name when the reader realizes there’s two page 39s, one of which has "My Name" written on a gravestone.
Personally, I think they may also be a subtle hint that we’re meant to use the wordsearch to find Cassidy’s name. The 5 tallymark in a group crosses over the previous ones, like how you cross out a word in a wordsearch. It’s a bit of a stretch to be sure, but I can’t think of anything else in the book that indicates there’s more to the wordsearch than the altered words.
I think Dave is far and away the most likely solution. That being said, a lot of people have pointed out that the Evan solution used inconsistent methods for its solution, and that a good puzzle shouldn’t have those inconsistencies - and I want to push against that a bit. It’s true that a good puzzle *shouldn’t* have inconsistent solutions, but it happens all the time! We’re told in the Portal series that we cannot shoot a portal onto a moving surface - except the one time when we can, because plot. The clocktower puzzle in Myst frustrated many people because it uses a mechanic that is not explained and is never used again.
It’s also why I find it so frustrating that the yellow character in Midnight Motorist is more or less confirmed by FLaF to be William Afton - talk about inconsistency! If a character that’s *always* been purple before even when it makes no sense to do so (if it’s because he’s “in the shadows,” why is he purple in FNaF 4 when the other character in the room is clearly visible? The only plausible reason is to tell us that that’s William. And given that MM takes place at night, it would make plenty of sense for him to be purple!) is suddenly portrayed as yellow, of COURSE that’s going to confuse people. Hell, in the early days there was confusion over whether William’s sprites were all the same person or if there was a Purple Guy and a Pink Guy!
Yet somehow THAT inconsistency is fine - it’s just “oh sure, he uses yellow text sometimes and the suit is yellow, so now that we’re *told* it’s William everything’s hunky-dory” or “It would’ve been hard to see him against the dark background with the rain if he was purple” to which I say: the Puppet in the Security Puppet minigame is mostly dark gray, and it’s still perfectly visible in the same conditions! Hell, the CAR is purple! I get that there was confusion over who Purple Guy was due to Mike's status at the end of Sister Location, but there needed to be a much stronger connection between William and the color yellow for that to have been a good way to show it's William.
Anyway, while I think the puzzle in the Security Logbook was in fact designed to be consistent, the series as a whole hasn’t been (see also: Save *Him*) and getting too caught up in making sure everything works 100% perfectly and not allowing for some flexibility isn’t going to be productive. “You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy.” and all that.
You’re also welcome to join my joke theory that “I’m scared” is a dad-joke level response to “Do you remember your name?” that gives us the rare-but-not-impossible name of “Cave” when that page number is used for Foxy grid coordinates :P
I’m like 100% sure “save him” was the single retcon Scott mentioned so many years ago. I don’t recall what games were out when he said it, but I remember that FNaF 2 was already out. And in the post he said the retcon was seamless and nobody was really even talking about it, which perfectly fits with “save him” since basically nobody even mentioned it in theories. But like, retconning a single instance of the word “him” because the character that wasn’t even a character yet was later decided to be a girl? Yeah, that seems like a perfect fit to me
I still think Dave is right and this entire video is just overthinking it
Maybe yes or not
While I agree that the foxy grid just has SO MANY possibilities that it is basically unsolvable, I do think Dave is the most likely answer in my opinion
The page where the dream question is asked with a nightmare Freddy drawing, so CC answering “I’m scared” makes sense. It can even be that Cassidy asked, Mike did the drawing, and CC altered the text to say I’m scared because of Mike’s drawing being a nightmare he saw before. No other answer fits as seamless to that question. I would expect a young child that’s traumatized to respond saying his emotions and not a calm response. Also he’s limited to altering text, so I doubt he can be as descriptive.
I hear sounds makes sense if what he’s hearing doesn’t sound legible to him and he struggle to understand it. If he’s hearing sounds that he can’t make out, a traumatized child, and he’s also limited by how much he can respond with then his response makes sense.
I don’t think the 2 responses for 1 question makes too much sense and gets us further away from a clean answer. You would have to find an answer that not only works , but also utilizes the mirror.
I believe HyperDroid was on point with the tally marks leading the reader to finding the name on the grave stone.
If CC is saying “I’m scared” because of Mike’s drawing, the method would be inconsistent.
Wasn't one of the coordinates to get the name Cassidy also written in by Mike @@KiddieStrangler87
@@charleswolfe8896 I’m pretty sure all the coordinates for Cassidy’s name were written by Mike.
@@KiddieStrangler87 no I think only one of the solutions for the coordinates was written by Mike the others were just altered page numbers
@@charleswolfe8896 I didn’t know that, thanks for informing me
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to edit this video! It was a lot of fun!
YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB IT'S SO GOOD
I think Dave is probably the neatest solution we’ve got, although not perfect. Something you did miss in the Hyper Droid video was the part where he goes over the tally marks and gives a fair answer to them. Basically they add up to the page number where the gravestone with “My Name,” is on. Keep in mind it’s also a RED gravestone meaning Mike drew the gravestone himself and not Cassidy. So the red tally marks leads to a red gravestone that starts the search for the name Cassidy.
As for the responses I can see a way that keeps its logic. You’ve already explained the first 2 yourself so I’m not going over those 2. However the response “I can hear sounds,” is a legitimate response if CC can’t really make out what he’s hearing. So maybe CC is in a state where he cannot see, but he’s just lucid enough to make out sounds but not what they are.
As for the “I’m scared,” response this is actually something important. So going back to Cassidy’s name search real quick the entire connecting piece of who Cassidy is comes from a drawing Mike made. The red gravestone is literally the thing that connects Cassidy to the Missing Child Incident, and without it we likely would’ve called CC Cassidy. So if Mike can provide a massive link for Cassidy, then why can’t he do something similar to CC. It’s important to note none of the questions (besides the purple phone one) has a drawing made by Mike, EXCEPT for the “Do you still dream,” question. That question has Mike specifically draw Nightmare Fredbear right next to the question. So it’s likely CC is responding to both the drawing and question, connecting them by saying “he’s too scared to dream or else the nightmares would haunt him.” However, because he’s barely lucid enough for anything all of his answers are simplified and he only says “I’m scared.”
Do you have dreams?
iA m ScArEd
Do you have dreams?
Yeah
Here’s my interpretation under Shattervictim.
Cassidy asks Garret, “Do you remember your name?”
This one is unanswered obviously because just as silver eyes tells us, spirits tend to forget after all.
And when Cassidy isn’t given a name she goes on to ask more specific questions about the person to help them find themselves.
“Do any of these toys look familiar to you? Or one of these belong to you?”
This one is supposed to be a visual only on the pages, now here is where the actual responses come in.
The crying child would reply “I’m scared, I can’t see, [but] I can hear sounds. After Cassidy finds out what is really happening she’s asks “Was your favourite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone?”
If you can’t see what is being presented to you then I’ll just have to ask you one by one!
And since Garret can only listen, Cassidy asks “is this song familiar to you?”
There is also an unseen conversation where we just to “the party was for you” and then Garret replies “it was for me” I believe in CassidyReceiver so my interpretation of what’s going on is that the party was originally meant for the bite victim because we use the crying child’s memories for the MCI.
I don’t believe we should be trying to find the crying child’s name in the SLogbook because it seems like it was centered mainly on finding Cassidy’s name only, sure we can find names like Dave and Evan but we can also find Sans and Sam if you use any formula you want. For the meantime we should use Garret even if it isn’t right since movies and games are in a different continuity it’s used as a placeholder for the crying child so why can’t we, the community do the same? ALSO, SCOTT BEING A CHRISTAN DOES NOT PROVE DAVE IS HIS NAME, yeah David and Michael are biblical names but why are there names like William, Garrett, Fitzgerald and Smith in the franchise if we’re going by that logic, do you think anyone knows that David is beloved in Hebrew? No, it’s a name you’ll hear everywhere because it’s one of the most common names.
The solution to find Dave makes more sense.
They both don’t make sense
@@EggsBenedict1-z4y Explain.
@@julialugo629
Does he still talk to you?
- I can hear sounds
Do you have dreams?
- I’m scared
@@Trontotario Speaking is sounds, and you can be afraid of your dreams, they're called nightmares.
I don't know what to say, this is Matpat's level of craziness. It may not line up perfectly but it works for the most part. I understand that the responses are incredibly cryptic and definitely not how a normal person would answer but, so is a lot of monologues and dialogues in this franchise, like the dialogues in fnaf world. I think what you pointed out is compelling, but I don't believe in it at all. I had a simpler hunch, but it all just sounds like Matpat syndrome, paranoia.
Yeah I think more simpler solution make sense for someone like Scott, we doesn't get it at first only because we overthink the puzzle
@@albumkosong I take Gibi's grounded approach.
Alright this response might be a bit long, if so i apologize.
Let's consider our answers.
"what do you see?"/"i can't see"
"The party was for you"/"it was for me"
I absolutely believe these are correct. They are direct answers. No doubt these are responses to the questions asked.
"Does he still talk to you?"/"i can hear sounds"
If you reframe how you're thinking about his answer. He's not just randomly saying that he can hear. He's saying, while he used to able to talk to, who i can only assume is plush Fredbear, now their voice is only sounds. If CC was in fnaf world, it makes sense that they're having this conversation in reality now with Cassidy, so they can't hear fredbear anymore.
"Do you still have dreams?"/"im scared"
Again, i understand where you're coming from, but considering this is our last cc response i think Scott wanted these answers to become progressively more difficult to tie together just so it wasn't extremely easy. But if you consider cc was asked about his dreams, the very last "dream" he has was from the fnaf 4 bedroom. Its perfectly reasonable to assume he was asked this question, recalled his memories of Shadow Freddy, freaked out and got scared, hence the response "I'm scared".
I believe these questions were supposed to be escalating not only in difficulty for lore solvers, but in severity for Dave. Connecting them together in that sense.
If people used names like Evan or Dave for the CC then Scott would probably just go along and make one of them official. Similar as how he did with Golden Freddy. Concidering that we can't solve the logbook.
Just use Garrett lol, the movie does as well
@@EggsBenedict1-z4y except garrets the puppet
@@depressSpaghett which is totally possible for crying child, Golden Freddy has never been confirmed. Heck People still theorize he doesn't possess anything and just follows Mike. Also using possession as a reason why Garrett isn't crying child doesn't work, as for example, Cassidy possessed Bonnie in the books, Michael Brooks (Who has never been confirmed in the games) possesses Golden Freddy while being the sole soul inside it, and Pete from step-closer is implied to start possessing Foxy, which is probably not the case in the games as Foxy's only implied soul is Fritz. Probably other examples, but I can't think of anything else right now.
@@sharondareese507 at the end of the movie the puppets box starts playing and u hear com find me
I understand your point in this video, however I think that the name Dave is the best/most accurate/correct(?) answear that we will get. Your idea isn't bad at all but I just can't see "The party was for me" and "I can hear sounds" responding to Cassidy's "the party was for you" question/statement. While I see how "I can't see" and "I'm scared" could be a single response, the whole process starts falling apart with the other two answers. And while your metod isn't a nessecarily bad one, in my opinion HyperDroid's Dave theory holds up much more with how much importance and cameos(?) the name already holds, from being Afton's disguise in the book trilogy to fazbear frights stories and more.
I believe I can hear sounds is a follow up for I can’t see.
Cassidy asks “What do you see? Are only of these toys familiar to you? Do any of these belong to you?”
Garrett replies “I can’t see, but I can hear sounds”
The fact that Cassidy asks later on “Was your favourite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone” means she understands the situation Garrett is in.
As for Dave being Afton’s aliases isn’t really a good argument since there’s much more convincing evidence for Evan than Dave. In Fazbear frights Jake’s dad is named Evan and his brother is Michael.
The thing is, is there any other question that would fit those responses better? The only other question for I can hear sounds is asking about the song. None of the questions fit I’m scared better. Having two of the responses fit 1 to 1 with a question and the other two responses being complete non sequitors or interjections tied to no questions is the alternative. If that’s not the case, then you have to go with the best fit for the last two. And arguing that I can hear sounds is a response to the party was for you is a much bigger lift or stretch.
If we are going with combined responses, “I can’t see, I can hear sounds” sounds like two statements that can go together, so does “I can’t see, I’m scared”. Even put all three together. But it was for me doesn’t really fit well with any of the other responses.
If we go with “multiple responses to the same question” that could mean multiples of the same letter in the name. So perhaps the name has two or three E’s and a V. Steve, for example. As for other letters, what about the pages with the responses on them? [8/9 and 10/9]. 10/9 would be F, 8/9 would be D.
It just seems a lot of the ‘alternative’ theories to Dave start with the connection between those questions and answers being too tenuous, and then suggesting a much more circuitous route to a solution.
You think "I can hear sounds" fits better with "the party was for you" than "I'm scared" fits with "do you have dreams?"? o.O
My money's on Dave Afton
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what
@@MonkeyPlayingRblx he/she is calling this guy out for calling HyperDroid & others wrong for connecting "Does he still talk to you/I can hear sounds."
Then to make a bazaar claim that you need to connect,
"The Party was for you/I can hear sounds" together, when it's clearly meant to be "The Party was for you/It was for me"
They also don't even come up with another name at the end. Basically this is a bad debunking video.
@@UltraCraftYT222 thanks for explaining it so much more better
@@MonkeyPlayingRblx your welcome! Also one more thing. Under_Score conveniently forgets to mention the part where HyperDroid shows how next to Cassidy's question of "do you still have dreams?" relating to Dave's answer of "I'm scared" is a drawing of Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear, making "I'm scared" a perfectly valid response, as Nightmare was most likely the last thing he saw before he got bitten and before he died.
What are your thoughts on ozone’s theory. That there’s 7. Five scratched tally marks for Cassidy’s name and 1 four scratched tally mark for Dave/evans name cuz I find that a solution
The one thing about the tally marks is that all of them happen to be complete sets of 5, except for 1. If they were all meant to be separate numbers, it would be quite the coincidence for them all to be multiples of 5 except for one. However, one incomplete tally is exactly what you would expect if they were all part of the same count and they’re supposed to be added together. So I think the number of all of them added together is what’s significant, which is 39. A lot of times, tallies are used to represent days. And if you add up all of the nights from FNAF 1-6 (7+7+6+8+5+6) you also get 39. However, I have no idea what the significance could be, since Mike probably filled out the logbook before FFPS and, even if he were the night guard in every other FNAF game, he can’t have been *both* guards in FNAF 2. Regardless of whether this holds significance somehow or is a coincidence, I still think the tallies are supposed to be added together. Especially since, as you pointed out, even if you interpret each page with tallies as its own number, there’s no second coordinate to go with it.
This is what I had assumed, that Michael was tallying each night as a security guard. Personally I believe 39 as a whole is much more important than the tallies separated
It's normal to disagree to a theory, but for myself i think even a bit reach, the two answer does make sense, and if this is still nog what scott was going for, i'd say scrap the whole method cuz after this point it'll become a point of overconvoluted, the reflect of the whole grid seem more far fetched to me personally cuz its not sonething you'd connect using only the logbook itself but instead with a third hand software helping
Fnaf itself is pretty vague, so I don't see the problem with Dave.
i think that dave is a pretty solid conclusion as of now because the fact these answers are possibly a stretch doesn't necessarily mean they aren't intended
i mean, we ARE talking about scott cawthon, the creator of many difficult mysteries. plus, the fact nightmare fredbear is on the page next to the question makes it seem more like "do you have nightmares?"
scott wouldn't GIVE us the answers, much less making figuring them out on our own easy at all.
Didn’t schott say even tho the plot of the silver eyes is non canon he could still use plot elements in the games, what I’m getting at is crying child being dead has lost his memories and Cassidy is trying to remind him of that but so “I’m scared” could still be crying child trying to remember but all he gets is trauma, like the ultimate guide said his life is fillled with tragedy
Tho I hear sounds is a little off from does he still talk to you, fredbear plush or Michael are an outside physical objects/person so from crying child’s perspective he just hears sounds he can’t talk to no one since he’s in Andrew’s place of golden Freddy while Cassidy is in jakes place
My current thoughts on each of the codes:
- The tally marks are almost certainly supposed to be a single running tally, as every single mark ends with 5 except for one
- The Foxy grid feels like it's trying to hint at an A1Z26 cipher, rather than telling us to fill out the entire grid. I don't think they would ask for us to do that much work when the Cassidy code was so simple in hindsight.
Did you see HyerDroid’s video on the Foxy grid?
@@dumflame Yes
On an unrelated note.
In ITPG, deep in the file are old assets of the FNAF 3 office despite the game taking place in the FNAF 1 location.
Coincidentally, in the logbook (a visually FNAF 1 book) has Foxy in the FNAF 3 office.
To me, the logbook seems to confirm that Michael Afton is Mike Schimidt, who is represented as Foxy because his also the foxy bully that gives more evidence to MikeBro.
In conclusion, I think Scott updated the FNAF 1 map to look more like a restaurant than it is a game by removing the 2 hallways but giving the FNAF 1 a new design to look more like the FNAF 3 office.
Just gonna throw this out here...the chalkboard on one of the pages that has "5+9" and "3" could be showing us how to solve whatever we need to solve with the tally marks perhaps
"5+9" could mean to add up the tally marks on that page and "3" could mean to use the page number
I noticed that when watching the reaction matpat did to the dave theory because he mentioned the "3" was down in the bottom right like a page number
What people don't understand is that dave is supposed to be a CHILD. A CRYING CHILD.
how do you expect a child to write stuff like nightmares and know what it means? Also, if the bite was something that absorbed the agony/dark remnant off of dave, does that mean that he still doesn't have proper cognitive function as his brain was bitten off?
None of the answers are actually normal, but for someone with less logical capacity and beginner level english knowledge, it makes sense.
Someone without a frontal lobe wouldn’t be able to experience fear so why would he even be scared anyways if we’re going by that logic.
@Trontotario dude the bite of 87 was on the frontal lobe. Not 83. There is no specification of where cc was bitten
@@KanishkaSarangi-nt7fx Okay well he wouldn’t be able to think or do anything at all without his brain don’t you think?🤡
@@Trontotario if he lost his brain, he would've died on the spot, and not be in a hospital in fnaf 4. He lost a PART of it, not specified as the frontal lobe
I tried my way at cracking the Foxy Grid by using the ripped out page numbers. I was able to convert them to "Long" but I couldn't continue them due to the next page numbers being too far to fit in the grid. I tried continuing the sentence using other weird things in the book, and got "Long PP" and unless Scott decided to make the big mystery of the book a penis joke, I doubt it.
You overthinked it.. Maybe the solution is simpler just likely how Hyperdroid suggested.. The reason why we can't solve it at first is because we overthink, we always does.. I think this solution won't be much of a code that need a lot of cypher but a solution like Cassidy one or Dave one is as Scott as Scott can be, at least for me
I don't think you're wrong by any means, at least in your assessment. But as like everyone else, you've come to the wrong conclusion. Let's look at the tally marks, did You Know in the survival log book there are I want to say two page 39s on the 1st page 39 mike draws a tombstone in the tombstone it's my name to my name referring to Cassidy. The tally marks when added up equal 39, 39 being the same page number and the only page number that has two separate pages. So the tally marks are supposed to lead you to page 39 and the tombstone drawing. Which would begin the search for Cassidy's name. For the tally marks at the window that's solved that's what they're for.
Now that that's done let's move on to the question and answer segment of the book. Where in Cassidy is talking to the crying child. There are a number of questions that she asks but I think, everyone misses a crucial, crucial detail. The crying child isn't the only one answering the questions. Mike also answers some of her questions which leads to confusion. What I mean by this? Well let's look at page I guess 41, I say I guess because some of the pages aren't numbered. Question: Do you have dreams? Answer: A drawing of nightmare Fredbear. Question: Was your favorite childhood toy a plastic purple telephone? Answer: A drawing of a telephone. To be fair I can't really think of another example but, I haven't really gone through the book extensively. I've already gone through it at a cursory glance but I feel like Cassidy is talking to both Mike and the crying child. Because some of the drawings seem to match up with some of her questions.
Now let's look at a question that CC answered. Question: What do you see? Possible answers: "I can't see, I'm scared." "I can't see, I can hear sounds, I'm scared." I think what people aren't getting is that Mike and CC both answer questions in the book. What I think you need to do is take the questions that are answered by both of them and put them into the grid. Then you'll get the crying child's name. It just fits a little bit better I think because the crying child only answered two questions. Well technically the answer to a question and a statement, the question being what do you see. The statement being the party was for you, and Mike also has seemed to answered a few questions. The one about the dreams, and the one about the purple telephone. So what I think you need to do is go through it see if you can find any other answers they might have given Mike and the crying child. And then use that in the foxy grid.
imo "i can hear sounds" doesn't really work that naturally with "the party was for you", feels like him going on a side tangent before giving an actual answer. if you can accept that, i feel you should also be able to accept "i can hear sounds" as a response to "does he still talk to you?", despite being a bit deviated from the question
just makes it feel like you're setting things back 2 letters due to double standards
IMO I can hear sounds is a follow up from I can’t see.
I have noticed, that not everywhere on the pages of the logbook are pizza's drawed. If we count them, we get in total 41 pizza's. Maybe that can help. I mean they are suspiciosly added their and their and not every page, where there is a frame used
It's crazy how you're calling HyperDroid & others wrong for connecting "Does he still talk to you/I can hear sounds." And saying it makes no sense
Only to make a bazaar claim that you need to connect both;
"The Party was for you/I can hear sounds" together, when it's clearly meant to be "The Party was for you/It was for me"
Also you don't even come up with another name at the end.
You also conveniently forget to mention the part where HyperDroid shows how next to Cassidy's question of "do you still have dreams?" relating to Dave's answer of "I'm scared" is a drawing of Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear, making "I'm scared" a perfectly valid response, as Fredbear was the last thing he saw before he got bitten and he was fighting off Nightmare right before he died.
Idk how nobody has noticed that The Aftons are british except for The Crying Child, which makes me think The Crying Child is not actually William Afton’s son and all the proof I need to prove that is in The Immortal and The Restless “The Baby isn’t Mine”-Dracula.
I think it does work for the Crying Child's name to be Dave, considering the consistency in the way you get that answer, as well as the fact that it's the name that William Afton takes as a psuedonym.
Let's just give up man, we'll NEVER know the crying child's name.
For anyone wondering where all Under_Score's videos went, they're all unlisted in a playlist on his channel. Not sure why but at least they're still available.
i think hyper droid’s theory about the tally marks trying to draw attention to page 39 was the right answer. to me it makes sense bc all the tallies except 1 are a group of five. and when you’re counting something, obv that’s how you group tallies- you go by fives until you have whatever number leftover at the end. it was indicating that if we tallied up the page numbers until we got 39, we would find something suspicious about the numbers printed on the page not matching our own counting.
well, the "does he still talk to you?' and "I can hear sounds" kind of match up because crying child might control everything, EXECPT the head you can add this up with the "I can't see"
Well,game theory made a video
He says he’s scared because the nightmare animatronic is on the page with the Do you dream question. If he can only hear sounds and not understand voices, he could respond with I hear sounds.
Hard disagree, your over thinking this. Good video though 👍, analyzing and re-analyzing is the fun part of FNAF theorizing.
as much as i agree with the other commenters that the Dave answer is pretty solid, i think its really cool that you made all these resources for the community! thanks dude.
Many “do you remember this song” and “I can hear sounds”
One of the reasons people started believing in the name Evan was to counter the MikeVictim theory. The better evidence came from the Real Jake story where the crying child parallel is named Evan and his brother was named Michael. The evidence for Dave isn’t much with it just being a nickname for William and the Edwin’s son. If you’re going to use nonlogbook evidence then there’s much more going for Evan than Dave. The reason so many are starting to believe in Dave is because of dual process theory’s CassidyVictim. It’s the exact same as Evan and Mike
I don’t usually make comments on videos like this but here’s something I think is worth noting. In Security Breach in order to get the rooftop ending you need to collect 39 collectibles. You also become a VIP when you collect that many collectibles. There are tally mark sticky notes that add up to 39. Also in the interactive novel VIP the character, Ike, share a few parallels to the crying child. In particular Ike had a toy he would sleep with, carry around with and talk to when no one is around. The story also seems to have connections Gregory, potentially explaining how he could’ve possibly been under Glitchtrap’s control. In one ending Ike becomes very attached to the game pad that contains a digital entity and the whole book is about getting an absurd amount of points to stop VIP. Another thing to note is that the toys in Fnaf 4 such as the telephone require a ton of tickets to win according to Help Wanted. While I don’t believe Gregory is a robotic recreation of the crying child I do believe that share some parallels that are meant to connect each other. The question has always been though, why? Why does Gregory have connections to the crying child when they are clearly different characters since the Freddy popsicles was likely removed in the Brazil ending to show that he’s not literally the crying child. I don’t know if it’s meant to show the crying child’s name is Gregory but I find it interesting that the 39 shows up in Security Breach of all places. (Also I recommend looking up 39 meaning as I found some interesting results)
I believe the tally marks can be used like this 15/5 and 15/3 for the coordinates and a name may appear for the Crying Child
One thing that I have never seen anyone talk about but that I believe is at least worth thinking about is the timeline of the book itself. We all collectively agree by now that the Security Loogbook is owned by Micheal, who writes in it in red pen, but that it also contains a conversation between two more spirits (Cassidy and the Crying Child), who write in faded and altered text. Plus, there's also a couple of sticky notes that were clearly added after the fact (such the one at the beginning saying: "This copy was already used by someone else, you don't mind, don't you?").
So, given all of this, this particular copy of the book clearly must have gone through at least four different phases:
1) The Logbook was printed as a normal book;
2) Mike acquired a copy and wrote in it in red ink;
3) That same copy was somehow (how?) haunted by Cassidy and the CC and the two had a conversation with each other [no, seriosuly, HOW did the spirits even get into the book?!];
4) Sometime later (when?) someone else (who?) got the book and added the sticky notes.
Unless ALL copies of the book (in universe) are haunted, which I find unlikely, I believe that this particular copy of the Logbook must necessarily have been haunted AFTER Mike had already acquired it, because otherwise it would have been extremely lucky for him to get the exact copy that contained his little brother's spirit. In fact, maybe the book got haunted exactly BECAUSE Mike was the owner, through agony and remnant's shenanigans, but at the moment I'm unable to figure out how or why.
Also, if we really want to dig deeper into this idea, we could try to see in what order the various elements have been altered within the book itself. For example, the famous drawing on page 39 of the gravestone with the phrase "My name" on it, I believe, was done in two separate phases: the gravestone itself is in red ink, so it must have been drawn by Mike (interestingly, in the same page where the prompt asks to think about what will your life look like in five years: maybe Mike sees himself as dying soon?), and THEN Cassidy added the faded phrase "My name" on it. Also, on page 52, the drawing of the guy on the water ski with a bag of money is also in red ink, and it can be again linked to the prompt above, which asks to imagine what prize would you like to see behind the counter, but the arrow with the phrase "My name" pointing at the page number also looks like was added later by Cassidy, to point at the hints for the word search. In general, from what I've seen, Mike seems to be actually reacting to the prompts, so he's definitely got a physical copy of the Logbook in front of him while he writes. The tally marks themselves also are in red ink, meaning that it was Mike who wrote them, and that makes it harder to find a decent explanation for them.
But maybe if we put ourselves in Mike's mindset while he was writing inside the book and actually try to piece together a rough timeline of how the book was modified over time (from when it was printed as a regular book to when it was later found by the sticky notes guy), maybe we can get a better idea of how all these clues fit together in context and MAYBE get a better shot at finally solving this thing.
I just got the tally marks from the Logbook and put them into the Foxy Grid using the Follow Me animatronic corners in the order of the characters fading in FNaF 4 to get the name "Sam," which is the name of one of the Freddy's founders kids in the Novel Trilogy, and returns in the Funko collab of all things.
I feel like this method is consistent and gives a satisfying answer. Plus, it's a pre-established character that fits the role.
I have some questions 1. What's up with the altered text that points to crying child/the random mirror next to the crossword then? 2. Why specifically the Follow Me minigame & not something like the happiest day minigame? To my knowledge there is no evidence that Follow Me is relevant in the logbook (correct me if I'm wrong). Also using a game minigame to solve the book when no other puzzle does so seems off.
Sam is a solution but it leaves a lot of unanswered/unused parts in the logbook & I don't like that as much as Dave.
Then what is the Crying Child’s name?
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@@Sketchy_Skomp So true.
Garrett
What would you get if you switched the question to "I'm scared", and used "Is this song familiar to you" instead? Also a long shot, but the Week Before made me think that maybe CC is remembering the song that was playing when he was bitten, and he was remembering how he felt the last time he heard it
Hey what the heck happened to your other videos? They are gone
I find this kinda funny cause recently me and a friend did the same thing and unfortunately also came out empty-handed the problem that we have with the name Dave is not the name it's self but it's connection with william it's his fake name and doesn't fit at all if it's also the crying child's name
William doesn't care for the crying child, proved by later that night another argument could be made that he was reminding Mike of 83, but why would he need that name around Mike? Not only that, but it's pretty clear that he manipulated Mike afterward, and actively insulting someone won't make them help you, and based on the message he leaves for William there is a level of care and respect it's even doubled down on in pizzeria simulator with the afton family poster and candy cadet
Dave js seems like the best one
This video rules!! Great perspective, those tally marks will haunt me to my grave
try 9/5 and 6/5 as coordinates, i got them from taking the name nightmare fredbear and putting them into a english alphabet and combining the number of each spot each letter takes leading to nightmare being 95 and fredbear as 65
So, we have 7 sets of and one set of 4, so maybe we add them or something.
Entom jumpscare at 5:01
@Under_Score What’s going on with your videos and especially that you privated this video?
I’m just wondering if you’re organizing things or if you went through copyright strikes.
Just hope you’re ok…
There’s another BV name theory where Bruce is the name for BV. The idea came from Sire Squawks and he used the Logbook and the games to find the name
Great vid, tysm for the good quality pdf 😭
What happened to your other vids?
He privated them but you can still found them in one of his playlist
Unlisted*
For what is worth, the tallymarks are seven 5s and one 4. So maybe 7/5 1/4, maybe?
That do you mean “does he still talk to you” and “I can hear sounds” doesn’t fit he is saying that while who ever “he” is be it grandpa Willy,PFFB or whatever doesn’t talk to him can still hear said friend making sounds kinda like the fnaf 1 gang they are trying to speak but it doesn’t come out right or at least that’s how I picture it anyway
I swear I;ve seen this vid before... wasn't it uploaded yesterday?
maybe, just maybe
the foxy grid is just for fun and nothing more
Hey Evan's my name
finally let's just assume there is one name in the logbook + casiedy doesn't have to be a girl
Cassidy is a girl
@@EggsBenedict1-z4y We know that it has been confirmed that the name "Cassiedy" is canonical, not the character (if the character was canonical, he would be haunting Bonnie) and the guy who plays Golden Freddie in the movie said that he is Cassiedy, which means that Scott uses this name depending on the sequel. that's why for me c.c is cassiedy and it just fits because you have a character (c.c.) whose story, drama, etc. you know, but you don't know the name and name but no character combine these 2 things and you get one coherent character cassiedy afton the vengeful spirit who punishes michel in ucn
OH MY GOD IM NOT READING ALL THOSE COMMENTS OF THE LOG BOOK RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
What if the Crying Childs name is Gary? Like Garret from the Fnaf Movie, I know the movie isn’t canon to the games, but there are some name similarities between the Movie’s interpretation of the characters and the games interpretation of the characters.
Even better, Gerald, like Fitzgerald and Garrett
I wonder if Scott predicted the original method attempted and msde it say Evan to screw with the community
It's Eva. Wy change the méthode 😢
I hate FNAF so much. Like there is no "solving" it. Its hugely popular with teens, they make it so mysterious so that they can keep people guessing and selling merchandise. and if anyone actually does "solve" any of it, they will just change it so everyone is kept guessing and that it never leaves the brains of todays teenagers. There is no cohesive story, lore or anything. Its just a bunch of cliff hangers and unanswered questions in order to make money. If people actually do "Solve" things or bread crumb crazy theories together, scott can just decide "oh thats canon now" to keep people interested and thinking it was there all along and that they solved a big mystery, when in reality its just an after thought to keep people interested.
Honestly to me the responses might just be scrambled
"Does he still talk to you"
Im scared
And
"Do have dreams?"
I can hear sound
Idk but to me it makes sense if you look it as a much more blunt responses
Does he still talk to you?
Im scared to talk to him or im scared of him
Do you have dreams?
I can only hear the sounds of my dreams, but not see them or maybe its the menories, he can hear them but not see or visualise them
Nah, the normal way is much better. Not sure why everyone’s so miffed about that.
“Does he still talk to you?”
I can hear something that sounds like him.
(To me, it just sounds like an uncertain “yes”, rather than a direct clear cut answer. Which is quite believable if you’re a very confused child ghost.)
“Do you still have dreams?”
I don’t want to talk about that, please stop, dreams are really scary.
(Technically, could be several more specific interpretations, like he’s too scared to dream or even sleep right now or he’s just scared of what his dreams were like before… But I’d assume it’s not a topic he’s happy to discuss, so not answering directly makes perfect sense.)
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I maybe made a mistake when filling out mine but I got Gav.. like Gavin but I didn't record how I came to the solution at the time so Best I'll say is it's a guess...
also i just noticed that the foxy grid has some letters that are red not black and they spell out Devan. which actually kinda is a mix of both names we've already gotten like Dave and Evan .. Devan.. which is normally spelled Devon but is sometimes spelt Devan. so.. hmm
Sorry, but this doesn't change my opinion on it, still believe it, becouse it's the only one that works
Can't we just ones and for all just say it's solved, why so ppl always to try to find a reason for it to not be solved, btw i respect your opinion and don't mean to be rude or anything like that, just telling you my point of view
Do you have dreams aka nightmares so I'm scared makes sense still to me because s dream can easily change into a nightmare at any moment
also, you're dealing with a ghosts here, so you're not really going to get a "normal" response because the ghosts could be limited in their forms of perceiving the world, as implied by the books
and with a child, they may not give very clear specific answers when being asked questions they may answer your questions in a way you would not expect like answering, do you still have dreams with I'm scared, as they might be reminded of nightmares when asked that question
like as was stated in the series, things can be easily mistaken in the mind of a child or, however, the quote went, a child mind is going to work differently than a developed adult's mind would so a child would answer things in a different way that might not always be understood by adults
Wait wait wait what's in the box?
who solved it
Scott in the anniversary interview
He doesn't remember the contents of it
I thinks it’s a toy box
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More peak imma dine fine tonight
Damn why did you deleted previous version, I've left a comment there and now its gone 😢
Agree
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Interesting....... 🤔
ah yes. the usual i dont like it therefore no
Well, there are two variants of the Cassidy Victim theory. The first Cassidy variant of the theory suggests that Charlie was helping Cassidy remember his name. Another variant I've seen still makes Cassidy Afton an MCI victim two years after his coma, but suggests that Dave is Charlie's twin brother.
I haven't played the games, read the books, or watched the movie, but every soul that possesses Golden Freddy has been a boy. Not to mention that Cassidy is a gender neutral name. So if Cassidy is his name it would fit into the nickname pattern seen for the Aftons with William= Will/Bill, Michael= Mike, Elizabeth= Beth, and Cassidy= Cass with Cass normally being a nickname for any boy named Cassidy.
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Everyone forgot the logbook isn’t the only thing hinting the name is evan
I think it is dave because the way you get the N in evan is an entirely different strategy than for the other letters, and you use then Mirror to get Dave.