tiaran 100% correct, If you look at the try from the right side shot, it was clearly a perfectly good pass. Also regards England's so called difficult route the final, would England have automatically beaten Japan and Wales if they where on the South African path?
Thank you tairnan... yes the angle on the reply shows it clearly is NOT forward. The Irish commentators have shown what bad sports they really are. They have also shown how little they regard South Africans. So no matter how badly the English have treated them, they still think more of them and would rather they do well than South Africa... quite remarkable!!!
Everyone seems to forget that Bongi Mbonambi and Lood de Jager went off injured in the first half aswell. All this talk about "what if Kyle Sinckler didn't get injured blah blah blah" South Africa had it as bad as England, if not worse!
4 years late on this video, according to O'Gara, a Vermeulen Yellow card, the scrum which should or shouldn't be part of rugby, a forward pass and sinckler's injury cost England 21 points. Wonder what he had to say about the 2023 win?
A most unpleasant analysis by ROG He literally tried to find any way to discredit the bok victory, from forward passes, to missed yellow cards, an easy route to the final etc etc He even advocated that England fake scrum injuries to get uncontested scrums. He has no credibility as an analyst anymore. Unable to name our wings, two of the best in the world. South Africa would have beaten whomever we played yesterday but ROG is too graceless to admit it. Shame on him.
@craig forsyth Hahaha! Such a great name: so fun to shout-it-out in syllables whenever he takes a run. Plus, if he retires with a bit of battle damage, he might even 'walk with a limp like an ol' school Mapimpi'.
Pathetic analysis from O'Gara, he should be ashamed of himself for even stooping so low as to suggest they should have cheated(by faking an injuring to a prop) to win. Disgraceful!
Yes, that comment pulled me up short. Didnt expect to hear it from him. Makes you wonder what type of choices he would chooce his players make if he was to become a head coach.
It is not SA's fault that Ireland and Scotland couldnt top their pool. Also it wasnt their fault that they were drawn with NZ. Remember Ireland and Wales were ranked number one before the WC. So to mention that England had the tougher route that is something that the organisers should sought out for the future. Also remember England played a game less coming into the quarter final. Had England won Im sure O Gara would not be so negative. Disappointed in his comments.
SA fan here I agree . I don't know why people are so negative about SA . SA plays good rugby and we do derserve it . The rugby ranking for me is not accurate . I don't know how they analyse it . On the other hand some people just can't take the way we perform and will always try nd do anything to make the out come of something good something bad . South Africa are one of the team's that doesn't play other citizens, we simply just can not afford them. Our currency is very bad so most of our players go to Europe cause its more profitable . Most people (all players) move to Europe and get a opportunity to play rugby there . After the players get residences then they get a opportunity to represent the country which is fair . South Africa we work with what we have and we always perform....Some hate to see it . I'm glad action always speak louder then words and South Africa proved they are World champions in 2019 . Well done Bokke you guys made a light for so many individuals in the darkest times in our country , to prove people that we can do so much more when we work together 🌈
You seem to be determined to ignore all the praise that o gara heaped on SA. May I suggest you take off the blinkers + listen to o gara praise SA scrum dominance,Pollard,their mental + physical superiority,their huge defence,razor sharp attack etc. O'Gara's not necessarily the guy you listen to if you want empty praise
John It is crystal clear that he is not objective but bias towards England. He might have singled out two aspects of which one is the scrum which no one could ignore but overall he seemed like a guy in pain and as a professional you expect him to be neutral and objective.
@@riyaadrhoda3990 we ll agree to disagree Riyaad . Throughout the many analyses of o gara that I've seen ,his polite candour is routinely without hysterics or drama. He does temper his criticisms of Ireland + Munster (possibly not to become a hostage to fortune) but certainly is a regular straight shooter. Congrats again on the deserved win.everyone that I've chatted about felt SA were by far better team
@@loadsbutty I'm talking about overall performances of the boks we were basically like the underdogs from the beginning of the tournament .What peoples opinions we're through the whole campaign on social media , I observed some comments and a few of the videos(match reviews ) .But yea it's over now it doesn't help we complain/fight about something in the past brother . All that's good is the WC is coming home .And thank you England we do respect you , you have a good team Eddie Jones did a great job with you guys and the future with him is bright . Keep your heads up !
Hlogi Ngema agree. I don't mind people mispronouncing names (since everyone does it when confronted by a language/names they don't know), but not even making an effort is insulting. The rest of his video is also insulting and imbecilic. Doesn't give any credit to the Springboks. Which the Springboks definitely deserve.
@@louisjwiese5515 I think it is clear that Ronan would have preferred that England won, but one has to listen further to note that he DOES give SA credit over and over. I don't expect people to convert to being bok fans just because we won the cup.
@@louisjwiese5515 Ronan also loves the role that scrummaging plays in the game. "It is why rugby union and rugby league will never combine again" he said. Those are interesting rugby observations by a very knowledgable and great former player.
Well done bokkes great win from a kiwi fan,your boys played for you yesterday ,awesome.Not sure why ogaras salty,thats the problem with the north hemisphere media,no humility always an excuse!!!2much SA
1. The pass wasn't forward. 2. England's scrum had already been rocked before Sinclair went off. 3. South Africa were dominant all over the pitch. 4. Gatland called it, England played their final a week early.
"New Zealand has the measure of South Africa?" Sure about that? Last I checked the only team to beat NZ in NZ for how long now is South Africa. Also, before the world cup loss to NZ the Boks hadn't lost to the ABs in 2 games? Soooooooo, a bit more credit to the Boks is probably due.
Such facts will go past his head let alone the same England were beaten by the boks during the June tests coming from a 21 point deficit twice...England were not beating the Springboks period they did us a favour over NZ because that game would have gone to the wire and surely won by the boks but a harder fought one but wow this guy is ridiculous on his opinion
@@macg5296 Well it was 2 all with Eng and RSA leading into the world cup. We beat them twice, they beat us at Newlands and then at Twickenham . My own personal opinion of it was that they got away with it a bit in Twickenham and we played a bit of a dead rubber team in Newlands, but still, was 2/2 before the WC, to be fair.
@@musandlala7991 What exactly are you gentlemen talking about Toby and Kmn , I can get a one eyed rugby fan but not a one brain celled . Why should Rog be bitter ? He is an Irishman managing a French Rugby team.
@@niallsheehan474 just sounds like he is making excuses to why England lost or should of won due to try's that looked forward to him but not to trained professionals. also it's disrespectful as a rugby channel to not even know the name of a winger from the SA team but knows everyone in the English team yet he is Irish. also being a South African I will back any southern team over a northern team so technically you can see why these lads have taken offence to the tired looking blond dude on the right...... ( just being as ignorant as him)
@@Just_JasonZA Just as well you guys won I'd hate to see yall after a loss , have a nice day. PS Rog was just giving his honest opinion , nothing more or less.
Why do the Irish hate South Africa so much ? England literally had an extra day of rest and played one game less. That sounds like an easier route to me
@@mahlanguism You have a lot of support in Ireland with Rassie steading the ship at Munster and SA are an easy team to get behind. the OTB pundits represent no one but themselves
He means easier in terms of team's played. If you had to choose between Australia and New Zealand or Japan and Wales to get to a final which way would you of taken?
Not sure why Ronan sounds more bitter than the English. England had one phase of dominant play in the entire 80mins, they were outclassed. Not just on the day, England playing the way they did would never beat a Bok team that make that few errors.
Rather salty! Erasmus managed his squad better over the tournament, which is why we were physically and mentally sharper. The game management of the Springboks was fantastic. We were on the front foot throughout the whole match. Eddie Jones and the world expected us to play one dimensional box kicks but that wasn’t the case. England had no Plan B! Even if they did the boks defense would have brushed that aside anyway.
Boks are the best team and deserved to win. But they definitely did not catch anyone by surprise with their play. It's just very difficult to play against that pack along with the level of kicking.
They completely missed the points you have just made, squad / tournament management and game management. That was a key factor to the forward pack dominance and the game. Can I just say thanks to the mighty ABs and Aussie support.
John Murray I bet you English is not his first language, nor is it mine. Once you can speak Afrikaans/Sotha/Zulu etc as well as we speak English, you can call us morons. Crawl back under your rock
Ronans analysis is pretty good but one penalty 5 meters out in 21 phases is never a yellow card and to even suggest that is ridiculous. If they had given away 3 penalties sure then there is a question but no ref in history has ever given yellow for one penalty 5 meters out unless it clearly prevented a try which was not the case here. Also, on field decision was a try, there was no way anyone can say for sure that pass was forward, it looked flat and there was no way in hell any ref was going to overturn a 50/50 call. The try was fair.
Ronan,.we.havent forgotten that you lost the Lions the series in 09,missing the tackle to let Fourie score 5min from time, and then giving away the final penalty. Thanks mate
Really please Sth Africa won! The Northern Hemisphere have all the money and resources at there disposal- the but the Southern hemisphere continues to dominate!
Let's break it down for O'Gara, cause for a so called "rugby legend" he has lost my respect. 1.Japan beat Ireland and Scotland, and were a much better team than what Ireland was this world cup Ronan is salty because Ireland lost to Japan. SA know how that feels Wales was just as hard if not the harder game of the two semi-finals. More tackles, both forward dominant. SA had less time between that and the final. Meaning a full 24hours extra Eng had to recover. 2.England had it easy, Australia is horrible this year, not sure why they think that was a hard game. They missed one pool game that should've been a tough one, that's an extra 80minutes your players don't have to get battered and bruised. Yes NZ was a tough one but in terms of who had the better run, England had that. 3.That pass was referred, not as if the ref ignored it. It went back from the hands, take it up with world rugby and the TMO. 4. Owen Farell missed one kick, don't act like he would have should've, could've converted a conversion if he had one. 5. That was ONE penalty in 10 minutes, how the F**K is that a yellow card? England just couldn't break the SA defense. Which for the day was 92%, unheard of for ANY team in a worldcup final. In any case, Jerome tried to give the try to england but they couldn't get through, usually that advantage lasts 5minutes max then the ref gives the penalty and stops play. But he tried really hard to keep the game flowing for England which is awesome. We love seeing advantage being played. 6. England were under pressure the whole time. Making silly mistakes. Ford was nowhere this game. Kolisi had Curry's number and Curry was counter rucked by him at every ruck. 7. Can't believe O'Gara would advocate for uncontested scrums. That's why he wasn't a world cup winner especially with that mindset. 8. If England had something to complain about, it was one scrums where Kitsoff had his arm on the ground. But they lost a prop, South Africa lost a hooker and a lock early on. If England were smarter, they'd know that Marx' lineout throws arent always the best, so they would've switched to their tactical kicking game where Ford is so good at, but they tried to kick onto Willie. 9. Don't even get me started on how he didn't even know how to say Mapimpi. Really not that hard. Has the same amount of syllables than his own name. 10. South Africa's record with Garces I believe is 12 times reffed, 3 times won. Something like that. South Africa didn't just hang on, they were doing pullups with the english around their legs from the get go. So salty all my respect lost for this man.
@@musandlala7991 It means you guys have shown up here fishing for complements about your fine rugby team but have started whinging when they didn't appear to you liking , that's what the whole silly thing is all about.
Sad ogara does not do himself credit with this interview... Even as a neutral the pass was flat and out of hand it was back from the top view.... Boks quarter was to be ire and wales semi... But ire lost to Japan... Intimating Japan and Wales is weeker route... Aus was terrible in rugby championchip... Record loses to abs and boks... And they were dire this rwc... Eng only real opposition was nz in semi as they didn't even play France due to cancelation.... He'll I'm not even going to go into the make believe cards....
Lmao Wales are weak lmao so what your saying is the six nations champions are weak. The same team that beat England and Ireland to the title. If I am reading you proper, the six nations is a weak by default. Lmfsao sore losers 🤣.
I tried to figure out what O'Gara had to say. First I thought he tried to defend England, especially with the ' I SAW IT WAS CLEARLY FORWARD' statement. Then lots of garbled comments on a yellow card.... After a while I realized he must be very tired from his flight seeing he dimmed/bright his eyeslids often, probably not knowing what he is saying half of the time. From what I could see, the presenter had better insights than him.
The world needs to give England a medal for winning against the All Blacks🏅. They just can't believe how they can beat the AB's and it does not count for anything
Luck of the draw? SA beat the team of the tournament in the final did they not? Beat the Six Nation champs too! Would have beaten NZ in the final the way they played.
Disappointing review by ROG. It seems England lost it not SA won it. SA won it comprehensively, they made their own luck and they bossed England all day.
Wow Ronan can chat a whole lot of bs;the pass was not forward and Sinclair would of made no difference to the result at the end of the day;the better team won;and very disrespectful of the English players for not wearing their silver medals;have some dignity
@@simonjeffs75 if I'm correct then yes the boks would have gotten more or less the same penalties. I really feel for England as their media hyped them up so much that it seems like they have won the final by just showing up on match day.
@@henkstols9326 still hypothetical mate. To state as fact that he would not of made a difference is bollocks. As for the media, they are always going to hype things up. It's what sells newspapers, it's what tv pundits get paid for. Everyone gave an opinion based on the displays in the knockout stages. It was said by everyone, that if England play like they did against the ABs then the boks would struggle to hold them. That was true of O'Driscoll , sean Fitzpatrick and Linear amongst others, and I'm sure a lot of south Africans feared that might be the case. And everyone also said that was not guaranteed to happen. Garland questioned England's ability to do it, and we all know no two games are the same in rugby. Nobody said or thought England just had to turn up to win. Only an fool would think that way and only an idiot would believe that was how most people were thinking. If expressing a bit of confidence in your team is going to be deemed as arrogance then maybe we'd be better off if we all said nothing and let the game die a slow death through lack of media coverage.
I am taken aback by the consistent post final commentary indicating how unlucky England were. Would encourage Ronan to view the SA missed opportunities and the momentum shift scenarios in the same light as he has for England. Johnny May (albeit amazing athleticism) jumping from the touch line to tap the Pollard penalty back - should have been a SA line out 10m from the line. What then? How about the penalty in favor for SA in the first half which the ref played very little advantage for and no score came from it. And finally, would love to see some commentary on the visibly very poor sportsmanship at the end, where Farrell and Jones provided no congrats to SA in their post match de-briefs. Take a leaf from NZ’s professionalism. Well done to SA. To our boys from our proud provinces - we’ll get back up there and look back at this stage and realize the pain was worth it.
Great teams can back up week after week, England can't. This guy doesn't know history, England are lucky they didn't play ABs again the following week because its hard beating a ABs team coming off a loss, just look at Wales game. ABs remember there loses, so I know the next time the ABs play England, ABs are going to smash them.
Forward pass? Yellow card? Honestly nonsense, and even if those were given Boks were so much better on the day and would have beaten anyone with that kind of performance. You don't win a final by 20 points because of a ref.
Ronan grow up. England has one of the better sides they’ve had in a long time, but one game to far. They were outplayed on the night, and that can happen to any of the top teams. Sinclair would have left with broken ribs after the second scrum anyway. In his playing days Ronan looked pretty bright, but clearly not the case!Never thought the Ireland were bad losers,but after that bs interview I’ve been mistaken all along.Sad to see that from a once great player.
that's okay mate no south African wants to be in an English team. infect not even the English wanted to be on that team yesterday, I do have a question though how many Newzelanders do you need in your team to beat Newzeland?
What's more ludicrous with this summation is that Felix Jones is a compatriot in the Boks coach staff... you'd have thought there would be a different "bias" considering a great moment for one of O'Gara's own, in. Final where there was no other Irishman in sight.🤷🏻♂️
South Africa were holding back the whole world cup it seems. They played a kicking game to force penalties on their aponents through pressure and played mainly with their forwards. They knew their defense was good enough to support this style of play. The ball barely ever went out to their backline which was pretty upsetting giving the amount of dangerous attacking runners they have. Its almost like they played the same predictable game all tournament long just to change their style completely in the final. One almost wonders if it was planned or on purpose. England surely didn't see it coming. Either way, i think South Africa completely outplayed England and probably would have beaten any other team the way they played on Saturday. They played to their strengths and were the best version of themselves on the day.
This narrative that South Africa had an easy route to the final is ridiculous. Wales grandslam winners, Japan beat Ireland. And on the other side the worst Australian team of a really long while. Granted NZ are tough but that doesn't detract from the basic point - there is no easy route to a World Cup final.
@@hanoitripper1809 One result does not a good team make. Also last team Oz beat Boks at home was 2011. Edit: if you meant 'home' to refer to Oz then you're even sillier than I thought. If we look only at home ground results then every team is going to look like a world-beater.
Quentin du Plessis i think you must be the foolish one, as not everyone is a world beater at home. NZ often beat boks and others away. On neutral territory Oz has kod the boks from Cup semi finals. Hardly the mark of a hopeless team and Oz were very well placed in this years SA test before clumsy handling by DHP missed easy tries. Piling on a world record of points onto the abs recently means your argument has no grounds to being “ the worst oz team in a long while”.
@@hanoitripper1809 They struggled against a hapless Argentina mate. They lost by 18 points against the Boks' 2nd team. And the game against NZ was against 14 men and their only impressive performance all year.
I'm late to this but what an incredibly salty interview from O'gara. Interviewer, "that was some defence from SA keeping out England for 25 odd phases" O'gara, "in super rugby that's a yellow card for cynical play" Then suggests England should have cynically faked a prop injury. Then he cant dignify Mapimpi and Am by learning their names, all while wearing the face of a man grieving at a wake! Lol
when the ball is released backwards out the hands it can't be a forward pass it was flat and not obviously a forward pass also the ref had called the try so you have to be 100% sure there is an infringmet before and a flat pass is not 100%
England had an extra day off (the game against France was canceled) and England had a 7 day break after NZ and SA only had 6 days off. No excuses England, you got thumped.
Let's cut out names and go with this. Boks played the team that beat Ireland and Scotland and were unbeaten up until then (sounds like a tough opponent), Then the Boks played against the grand slam champions who were on a 15 match winning streak and were one of the contenders for the world cup, finally ending off by playing the number 1 team in the world. Now tell me how easy does that route sound?
I'm think he should take another look at that "forward pass". World rugby needs to make refs worldwide to ref in the same manner in every league. Game could have been different with Sinckler but even tho Cole is old, he lost a scrum right at the beginning of the game before he would have been tired.
@@hanoitripper1809 I don't know if Mostert and Marx were mentally ready to come on early either, but they were fine. Sinckler was vomiting before the game so who he probably wasn't in the best state to scrum either. Squads win world cups not teams. SA won penalties at the scrum even when our third choice tighthead was on the field. (Nyakane was injured in first game)
Have to say the the Irish pundits look like they have a issue with the Boks, ROG calling that pass forward despite the Ref, TMO, and the majority of neutrals seeing it otherwise. ROG's belief that there should have been a yellow against the Boks, etc. Here are a few things that I saw that went unpunished by the Ref. Kolbe was high tackled around the neck. English players entering from the side on a few Bok mauls. Short lineout throwin not straight by the English. England also guilty of pushing the boundaries at the breakdown. Agree that in the end it balances out but ROG chooses focus on those in favour of the Boks. This may have something to do with the last Lions tour to SA when Irish players where so dominant in that squad yet the Lions lost the series
Ronan, you saw a farward pass in the lead up to Mapimpi's try, but the TMO didn't. The TMO also has better access to the angles than any viewer does. You are the first person I heard who thinks that try should not have counted. It's in the record books now though.
For an ex professional player he's quite naive. No sour grapes at all hey. Grow up dude! Amazing you're still looking to blame the ref for South Africa's dominance.
"If you take away all the Springboks' scrum penalties, and if their first try was called back for a forward pass that nobody else thinks was forward, and Kyle Sinckler didn't get injured, and Duane Vermeuelen was unnecessarily yellow carded, and South Africa had played the All Blacks in the semifinal... then the second try wouldn't have been scored and England would have deservedly won."
Ronan speaks of a yellow card to Vermulen as if England givng a shoulder against Mpimpi was not a yellow as well that was intentional just to mention a few of the penalties, very difficult to talk and be unbiased so Id rather Mr O Gara you stop riding the english flute. And honestly trying to state that the pool the English was in was much harder than the Boks makes me laugh. Salty much.
@OffTheBall maybe next time get an analyst that actually knows the names of the players..... maybe that will give a little more credit to his so called expertise.
@@peadarr Experience in play does not constitute expertise in officiating. I think you'll agree, from the down-votes and stern criticisms of O'gara's review, that he was biased and facetious. Whatever accolades R. O'Gara may have amassed in the past, he did not cover himself in glory in this particular instance.
England were outplayed in every facet of the game yet you sit here seeking mitigating factors for their 20pt hiding. Springboks are world class, South Africa is world class 🏆
England gets a bye and more rest and still not up for the finals, remember South Africa played NZ as an opener and also had injuries. No excuses, on the day South Africa was better by a mile, We never claim to be the best in the world, but for that final South Africa came ready and had England number. When England beat NZ no one said NZ was rubbish, they said England was great, but South Africa beats England and England gave it to South Africa, that is such poor taste. Come on guys, we could of scrummed all day for 3 points and also dominated the line-outs, but instead South Africa came ready to play and win. So the referee and the touch judges and the TMO all miss a forward pass. This is rubbish, England was out played, be gracious in defeat, learn from NZ in that regard. These comments diminishes a great match, England is a great team and that was not their day, their coach and team did wonderful and respect to them but South Africa played Wales which was ranked number 1 in the world, played a Japan that beat Scotland and Ireland so how can you say they had an easy road. There is no easy road to lift the Webb Ellis Cup. Either-way if they are as good as we all know they are then in 4 years they will be dominant and I feel sorry whom ever must play them.
Someone needs to tell that plonker that Africa is a continent, South Africa is country. I have lost a lot of respect for Mr O'gara based on this interview. I am shocked at his bias.
The aerial shot shows that the pass to Mpimp was possibly forward, but the ground shot from the right shows it is clealy not forward. See it in this link: ruclips.net/video/WIiSJhXud7A/видео.html
Say what you want, but the best part is Rassie basically build his team in less than two years. The Bokke are great, they are my team. But to be honest, there is always a hype arround Ireland before the world cup. When the time is there, nothing happens
O'Gara, Bad take. Salty. I think you doubt the resolve of South Africa. Had we played NZ, Wales or any other side, we were going to win this final. Read the room.
Got a lot of time for O'Gara's rugby wisdom but I think England would have prefered to play Australia rather than Wales in the Quarters. South Africa had Japan because Japan beat Ireland, and beat Ireland well. Wales pushed South Africa all the way, because that's what Wales do even when they're evidently not the better team. It seems to be always a case of saying South Africa underperformed against Wales and then performed against England, there seems to never be any credit for the fact that Wales were just a drop kick and 10 minutes aways from winning that match. A match where Wales had to contend with the 'bomb squad' and had half of their first choice pack unavailable. Will anybody ever give Wales credit instead of classing them as lucky or that their opponents underperformed? I doubt it (smile).
thought highly of Ronan O'Gara what a real shame, seems really salty you'd think he was English accent withstanding. Stopped watching at "the other winger and the TERTEEN" embarrassing interview.
These guys forget that the springbok squad 10 years ago had a more consistent record. Back then we only lost to England once in 10 years, gave NZ a hammering from time to time, and never lost to Italy. They are still not at their peak. If you watch the tri-nations game against NZ in 2009, you will see just how good they can really be. SA are always hard to dominate, even when you are leading.
Everyone is allowed an opinion. Mine is simple. Japan had monster wins, and England's win was truely brilliant. The cherry on the cake was the Boks bringing a fantastic tournament to an end.
This is pathetic. So disrespectful from O’Gara, I understand you’re upset but show some respect and be humble in defeat. (Even though you’re an Ireland international👀)
The first try looked forward - but the angle on the replay shows it clearly wasnt forward - both tries were good - so well done South Africa
Wrong. It was forward if you are English or these salty pundits. However it was flat for the rest of the world :D
ruclips.net/video/hA_8noX2GZQ/видео.html
The first try from Mapimpi went to the TMO who said the try was good
tiaran 100% correct, If you look at the try from the right side shot, it was clearly a perfectly good pass. Also regards England's so called difficult route the final, would England have automatically beaten Japan and Wales if they where on the South African path?
Thank you tairnan... yes the angle on the reply shows it clearly is NOT forward. The Irish commentators have shown what bad sports they really are. They have also shown how little they regard South Africans. So no matter how badly the English have treated them, they still think more of them and would rather they do well than South Africa... quite remarkable!!!
Everyone seems to forget that Bongi Mbonambi and Lood de Jager went off injured in the first half aswell. All this talk about "what if Kyle Sinckler didn't get injured blah blah blah"
South Africa had it as bad as England, if not worse!
I was legit about to comment this.
Why would England take a prop that can't maintain the level? Madness
And England played one less game and had more recovery time than SA!!
Then Boks in 2023, toughest route to the Finals and won it. What now mr O Gara. Back to Back. 🏉🇿🇦🤜🤛
4 years late on this video, according to O'Gara, a Vermeulen Yellow card, the scrum which should or shouldn't be part of rugby, a forward pass and sinckler's injury cost England 21 points. Wonder what he had to say about the 2023 win?
A most unpleasant analysis by ROG
He literally tried to find any way to discredit the bok victory, from forward passes, to missed yellow cards, an easy route to the final etc etc
He even advocated that England fake scrum injuries to get uncontested scrums.
He has no credibility as an analyst anymore.
Unable to name our wings, two of the best in the world.
South Africa would have beaten whomever we played yesterday but ROG is too graceless to admit it.
Shame on him.
The faking of an injury was a strange turn. Isn't he going to be coach soon? Refs be on alert for any prop injuries in his team.
@@TheDarren1423 yes, exactly. Doesn't bode well for his ethics as a coach.
Toby Hart ,I cant agree more!
No because he was right.
He is stating facts. Dont forget after Engkand beat Nz he discredited Engs win
R. O'Gara, say it with me:
Ma-Pim-Pi. See? Easy. "The other winger"... That's as disrespectful as it is unprofessional.
@craig forsyth Hahaha! Such a great name: so fun to shout-it-out in syllables whenever he takes a run. Plus, if he retires with a bit of battle damage, he might even 'walk with a limp like an ol' school Mapimpi'.
@craig forsyth Yes. Yes it is.
Mapimpi..trymachine..
@craig forsyth He Ma-pimped the Springbok ride!! lol..
The pimp references are cheap, easy and elementary lol frankly not funny but I guess humor is subjective
Pathetic analysis from O'Gara, he should be ashamed of himself for even stooping so low as to suggest they should have cheated(by faking an injuring to a prop) to win. Disgraceful!
Yes, that comment pulled me up short. Didnt expect to hear it from him. Makes you wonder what type of choices he would chooce his players make if he was to become a head coach.
True...but he is a head coach...
That is a smart tactic
Italy did it. Ruined the contests but look at that scoreline..
@@TheSecretsquirrel222 "but so and so did it first" is one of the worst arguments you can make. faking injury is cheating - bottom line.
It is not SA's fault that Ireland and Scotland couldnt top their pool. Also it wasnt their fault that they were drawn with NZ. Remember Ireland and Wales were ranked number one before the WC. So to mention that England had the tougher route that is something that the organisers should sought out for the future. Also remember England played a game less coming into the quarter final. Had England won Im sure O Gara would not be so negative. Disappointed in his comments.
SA fan here I agree . I don't know why people are so negative about SA . SA plays good rugby and we do derserve it . The rugby ranking for me is not accurate . I don't know how they analyse it . On the other hand some people just can't take the way we perform and will always try nd do anything to make the out come of something good something bad . South Africa are one of the team's that doesn't play other citizens, we simply just can not afford them. Our currency is very bad so most of our players go to Europe cause its more profitable . Most people (all players) move to Europe and get a opportunity to play rugby there . After the players get residences then they get a opportunity to represent the country which is fair . South Africa we work with what we have and we always perform....Some hate to see it . I'm glad action always speak louder then words and South Africa proved they are World champions in 2019 . Well done Bokke you guys made a light for so many individuals in the darkest times in our country , to prove people that we can do so much more when we work together 🌈
You seem to be determined to ignore all the praise that o gara heaped on SA.
May I suggest you take off the blinkers + listen to o gara praise SA scrum dominance,Pollard,their mental + physical superiority,their huge defence,razor sharp attack etc.
O'Gara's not necessarily the guy you listen to if you want empty praise
John It is crystal clear that he is not objective but bias towards England. He might have singled out two aspects of which one is the scrum which no one could ignore but overall he seemed like a guy in pain and as a professional you expect him to be neutral and objective.
@@riyaadrhoda3990 we ll agree to disagree Riyaad .
Throughout the many analyses of o gara that I've seen ,his polite candour is routinely without hysterics or drama. He does temper his criticisms of Ireland + Munster (possibly not to become a hostage to fortune) but certainly is a regular straight shooter.
Congrats again on the deserved win.everyone that I've chatted about felt SA were by far better team
@@loadsbutty I'm talking about overall performances of the boks we were basically like the underdogs from the beginning of the tournament .What peoples opinions we're through the whole campaign on social media , I observed some comments and a few of the videos(match reviews ) .But yea it's over now it doesn't help we complain/fight about something in the past brother . All that's good is the WC is coming home .And thank you England we do respect you , you have a good team Eddie Jones did a great job with you guys and the future with him is bright . Keep your heads up !
Disgusting analysis, "The other winger" is where I stopped.
Hlogi Ngema agree. I don't mind people mispronouncing names (since everyone does it when confronted by a language/names they don't know), but not even making an effort is insulting.
The rest of his video is also insulting and imbecilic. Doesn't give any credit to the Springboks. Which the Springboks definitely deserve.
@@louisjwiese5515 I think it is clear that Ronan would have preferred that England won, but one has to listen further to note that he DOES give SA credit over and over. I don't expect people to convert to being bok fans just because we won the cup.
@@louisjwiese5515 Ronan also loves the role that scrummaging plays in the game. "It is why rugby union and rugby league will never combine again" he said. Those are interesting rugby observations by a very knowledgable and great former player.
Exactly bro, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and continued watching. The 3 players he failed to name were Mapimpi, Am and Mtawarira. Sies.
Well done bokkes great win from a kiwi fan,your boys played for you yesterday ,awesome.Not sure why ogaras salty,thats the problem with the north hemisphere media,no humility always an excuse!!!2much SA
it's embarrassing, I'm embarrassed for him.
This guy is in mourning. Its going to be a looooong 4 years for him.
Why cause he’s giving his opnion on the match?
@@broneobraonain8506 opinion of a mourner, who's going to be doing so for the next 4 years as the comment above reads
He's a bitter fan🤣🤣. He is even crying about the draw and route to the final for England. Happy 4 years to come my friend
🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈
He is sick man
1. The pass wasn't forward.
2. England's scrum had already been rocked before Sinclair went off.
3. South Africa were dominant all over the pitch.
4. Gatland called it, England played their final a week early.
5. The " Other winger" name is Mapimpi!
"New Zealand has the measure of South Africa?" Sure about that? Last I checked the only team to beat NZ in NZ for how long now is South Africa. Also, before the world cup loss to NZ the Boks hadn't lost to the ABs in 2 games? Soooooooo, a bit more credit to the Boks is probably due.
Such facts will go past his head let alone the same England were beaten by the boks during the June tests coming from a 21 point deficit twice...England were not beating the Springboks period they did us a favour over NZ because that game would have gone to the wire and surely won by the boks but a harder fought one but wow this guy is ridiculous on his opinion
@@macg5296 Well it was 2 all with Eng and RSA leading into the world cup. We beat them twice, they beat us at Newlands and then at Twickenham . My own personal opinion of it was that they got away with it a bit in Twickenham and we played a bit of a dead rubber team in Newlands, but still, was 2/2 before the WC, to be fair.
@@greenplasticgun lo that Twickenham win was a great escape on England's behalf if we were being honest
"The try from the other winger" I stopped the video right there.
Exactly, either ridiculously uninformed or extra bitter.
Lmao sore losers
@@musandlala7991 What exactly are you gentlemen talking about Toby and Kmn , I can get a one eyed rugby fan but not a one brain celled . Why should Rog be bitter ? He is an Irishman managing a French Rugby team.
@@niallsheehan474
just sounds like he is making excuses to why England lost or should of won due to try's that looked forward to him but not to trained professionals. also it's disrespectful as a rugby channel to not even know the name of a winger from the SA team but knows everyone in the English team yet he is Irish. also being a South African I will back any southern team over a northern team so technically you can see why these lads have taken offence to the tired looking blond dude on the right...... ( just being as ignorant as him)
@@Just_JasonZA Just as well you guys won I'd hate to see yall after a loss , have a nice day. PS Rog was just giving his honest opinion , nothing more or less.
Why do the Irish hate South Africa so much ? England literally had an extra day of rest and played one game less. That sounds like an easier route to me
Aphiwe Mvovo apparently the average Irishman supported us (Boks) on Saturday Aphiwe.
I don’t know about the average Irishman. I’m talking about the pundits on this channel. They’ve been anti South Africa the whole tournament
@@mahlanguism You have a lot of support in Ireland with Rassie steading the ship at Munster and SA are an easy team to get behind. the OTB pundits represent no one but themselves
Loads of Irish socialists around, but the good ones rooted for bokka 👍
He means easier in terms of team's played. If you had to choose between Australia and New Zealand or Japan and Wales to get to a final which way would you of taken?
Absolutely was not a forward pass - I've watched it a dozen times.
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@@UnathiKentane Brilliant video thanks!
Not sure why Ronan sounds more bitter than the English. England had one phase of dominant play in the entire 80mins, they were outclassed. Not just on the day, England playing the way they did would never beat a Bok team that make that few errors.
Darren Jeftha hes a nuetral and stating facts
Lol shut up you're English all you do is talk and not win anything
Aluncedo Nombexeza you overdosed on your angry pills today from the soweto fake chemist? 🤔
Rather salty! Erasmus managed his squad better over the tournament, which is why we were physically and mentally sharper. The game management of the Springboks was fantastic. We were on the front foot throughout the whole match. Eddie Jones and the world expected us to play one dimensional box kicks but that wasn’t the case. England had no Plan B! Even if they did the boks defense would have brushed that aside anyway.
Absolutely.caught them by surprise.hehehehe
Boks are the best team and deserved to win. But they definitely did not catch anyone by surprise with their play. It's just very difficult to play against that pack along with the level of kicking.
They completely missed the points you have just made, squad / tournament management and game management. That was a key factor to the forward pack dominance and the game. Can I just say thanks to the mighty ABs and Aussie support.
Yes it was! You played exactly how everyone expected you to play. Started fast played physically and gained all the momentum.
Saffirs had the easy run. Sincler loss gave boks win
Look again Mr O'Gara, there were no forward passes in any of the tries.
Agreed
@@iamwearingacup www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/dqoogo/the_first_sa_try_was_not_a_forward_pass_look_at/? nope
From the camera angle level with the play, it definitely doesn't look forward. Agree with Riaan Louw
Definitely not forward. It's amazing how O'Gara can lie though his teeth like this. Too many Guinness I guess.
Under rubbish analysis.
Utter* you utter moron
John Murray I bet you English is not his first language, nor is it mine. Once you can speak Afrikaans/Sotha/Zulu etc as well as we speak English, you can call us morons. Crawl back under your rock
Salty O'Gara. I thought better of the guy. ☘️ This is just distasteful.
Maybe SA should have played like the Irish and lost, then he would be singing their praises.
Ronans analysis is pretty good but one penalty 5 meters out in 21 phases is never a yellow card and to even suggest that is ridiculous. If they had given away 3 penalties sure then there is a question but no ref in history has ever given yellow for one penalty 5 meters out unless it clearly prevented a try which was not the case here. Also, on field decision was a try, there was no way anyone can say for sure that pass was forward, it looked flat and there was no way in hell any ref was going to overturn a 50/50 call. The try was fair.
Forward pass!!! Are you kidding me Ronan, used to have great respect for you, your opinion is silly on that. Open them eyes please.
Ronan,.we.havent forgotten that you lost the Lions the series in 09,missing the tackle to let Fourie score 5min from time, and then giving away the final penalty. Thanks mate
Really please Sth Africa won! The Northern Hemisphere have all the money and resources at there disposal- the but the Southern hemisphere continues to dominate!
Southern hemisphere has the passion
The South plays for love, the North plays for.. for.. I don't really know to be honest 🤔
Let's break it down for O'Gara, cause for a so called "rugby legend" he has lost my respect.
1.Japan beat Ireland and Scotland, and were a much better team than what Ireland was this world cup Ronan is salty because Ireland lost to Japan. SA know how that feels
Wales was just as hard if not the harder game of the two semi-finals. More tackles, both forward dominant. SA had less time between that and the final. Meaning a full 24hours extra Eng had to recover.
2.England had it easy, Australia is horrible this year, not sure why they think that was a hard game. They missed one pool game that should've been a tough one, that's an extra 80minutes your players don't have to get battered and bruised. Yes NZ was a tough one but in terms of who had the better run, England had that.
3.That pass was referred, not as if the ref ignored it. It went back from the hands, take it up with world rugby and the TMO.
4. Owen Farell missed one kick, don't act like he would have should've, could've converted a conversion if he had one.
5. That was ONE penalty in 10 minutes, how the F**K is that a yellow card? England just couldn't break the SA defense. Which for the day was 92%, unheard of for ANY team in a worldcup final. In any case, Jerome tried to give the try to england but they couldn't get through, usually that advantage lasts 5minutes max then the ref gives the penalty and stops play. But he tried really hard to keep the game flowing for England which is awesome. We love seeing advantage being played.
6. England were under pressure the whole time. Making silly mistakes. Ford was nowhere this game. Kolisi had Curry's number and Curry was counter rucked by him at every ruck.
7. Can't believe O'Gara would advocate for uncontested scrums.
That's why he wasn't a world cup winner especially with that mindset.
8. If England had something to complain about, it was one scrums where Kitsoff had his arm on the ground. But they lost a prop, South Africa lost a hooker and a lock early on. If England were smarter, they'd know that Marx' lineout throws arent always the best, so they would've switched to their tactical kicking game where Ford is so good at, but they tried to kick onto Willie.
9. Don't even get me started on how he didn't even know how to say Mapimpi. Really not that hard. Has the same amount of syllables than his own name.
10. South Africa's record with Garces I believe is 12 times reffed, 3 times won. Something like that. South Africa didn't just hang on, they were doing pullups with the english around their legs from the get go.
So salty all my respect lost for this man.
The other winger, the other winger seriously.
I don’t it? What’s wrong?
@@broneobraonain8506 what does that mean?
@@musandlala7991 It means you guys have shown up here fishing for complements about your fine rugby team but have started whinging when they didn't appear to you liking , that's what the whole silly thing is all about.
Who cares, we only notice chester colby
@@niallsheehan474 That's your take away is it Niall? Pretty disappointed in the Irish tbh. Completely one eyed.
ronan should know the names of the boks players
I know hey. It's not even that hard of names to learn. Mapimpi, Am. How hard is that
Sad ogara does not do himself credit with this interview... Even as a neutral the pass was flat and out of hand it was back from the top view.... Boks quarter was to be ire and wales semi... But ire lost to Japan... Intimating Japan and Wales is weeker route... Aus was terrible in rugby championchip... Record loses to abs and boks... And they were dire this rwc... Eng only real opposition was nz in semi as they didn't even play France due to cancelation.... He'll I'm not even going to go into the make believe cards....
Lmao sore losers 🤣
Lmao Wales are weak lmao so what your saying is the six nations champions are weak. The same team that beat England and Ireland to the title. If I am reading you proper, the six nations is a weak by default. Lmfsao sore losers 🤣.
I tried to figure out what O'Gara had to say. First I thought he tried to defend England, especially with the ' I SAW IT WAS CLEARLY FORWARD' statement.
Then lots of garbled comments on a yellow card....
After a while I realized he must be very tired from his flight seeing he dimmed/bright his eyeslids often, probably not knowing what he is saying half of the time.
From what I could see, the presenter had better insights than him.
😢👶
ppt team terrible in the championship? Oz smashed NZ when noone else did. Oz was close to beating boks in africa but a few mistakes.
The world needs to give England a medal for winning against the All Blacks🏅. They just can't believe how they can beat the AB's and it does not count for anything
Thats what happens when you grow up getting medals for participating
Luck of the draw? SA beat the team of the tournament in the final did they not? Beat the Six Nation champs too! Would have beaten NZ in the final the way they played.
Disappointing review by ROG. It seems England lost it not SA won it. SA won it comprehensively, they made their own luck and they bossed England all day.
O'Gara still salty about getting smashed by Jaques Fourie and giving away a series-losing penalty to the Boks in 2009.
I was really looking forward to the Irish analysis which is the best in the world. So disappointed that Ireland can’t accept defeat
Accept defeat? We're Irish not English.
@@rosscoghlan then act like it. Stiff upper lip then. Ill sell you our blueprint if you want for the meagre price of 1 potato
@@Bokgat That's a fair price but quite an outdated insult.
@@rosscoghlan not an insult. The nomads have always prevailed. The remainers have perished. Quite ironic given brexit terminology
50/50 call that pass. Every WC final has its controversy. Fact is at half time the score flattered England. Best team in the day won.
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Wow Ronan can chat a whole lot of bs;the pass was not forward and Sinclair would of made no difference to the result at the end of the day;the better team won;and very disrespectful of the English players for not wearing their silver medals;have some dignity
How do you know sinkler wouldn't of made a difference? Cole was to blame for 4 penalties SA scored from.
@@simonjeffs75 if I remember correctly the boks got a scrum penalty when Sinkler was on.
@@henkstols9326 so does that automatically mean he'd of given the next 4 away?
@@simonjeffs75 if I'm correct then yes the boks would have gotten more or less the same penalties. I really feel for England as their media hyped them up so much that it seems like they have won the final by just showing up on match day.
@@henkstols9326 still hypothetical mate. To state as fact that he would not of made a difference is bollocks. As for the media, they are always going to hype things up. It's what sells newspapers, it's what tv pundits get paid for. Everyone gave an opinion based on the displays in the knockout stages. It was said by everyone, that if England play like they did against the ABs then the boks would struggle to hold them. That was true of O'Driscoll , sean Fitzpatrick and Linear amongst others, and I'm sure a lot of south Africans feared that might be the case. And everyone also said that was not guaranteed to happen. Garland questioned England's ability to do it, and we all know no two games are the same in rugby. Nobody said or thought England just had to turn up to win. Only an fool would think that way and only an idiot would believe that was how most people were thinking. If expressing a bit of confidence in your team is going to be deemed as arrogance then maybe we'd be better off if we all said nothing and let the game die a slow death through lack of media coverage.
I’ve praised O’Gara’s analysis this WC but he has it so wrong here. Any praise for the Boks is given with gritted teeth. Pity.
I am taken aback by the consistent post final commentary indicating how unlucky England were. Would encourage Ronan to view the SA missed opportunities and the momentum shift scenarios in the same light as he has for England. Johnny May (albeit amazing athleticism) jumping from the touch line to tap the Pollard penalty back - should have been a SA line out 10m from the line. What then? How about the penalty in favor for SA in the first half which the ref played very little advantage for and no score came from it. And finally, would love to see some commentary on the visibly very poor sportsmanship at the end, where Farrell and Jones provided no congrats to SA in their post match de-briefs. Take a leaf from NZ’s professionalism. Well done to SA. To our boys from our proud provinces - we’ll get back up there and look back at this stage and realize the pain was worth it.
Matthew Furness England lost Sinclair, but SA lost de Jager and Mobonambi
Fascinating to see O'Gara do his best not to give SA any credit whatsoever while still saying they did well.
Great teams can back up week after week, England can't. This guy doesn't know history, England are lucky they didn't play ABs again the following week because its hard beating a ABs team coming off a loss, just look at Wales game. ABs remember there loses, so I know the next time the ABs play England, ABs are going to smash them.
ROG i love you to bits, but what did they feed you on that plane from France?
Lol, yeah.
@Se Ou 🤣🤣🤣
Forward pass? Yellow card? Honestly nonsense, and even if those were given Boks were so much better on the day and would have beaten anyone with that kind of performance. You don't win a final by 20 points because of a ref.
Ronan grow up. England has one of the better sides they’ve had in a long time, but one game to far. They were outplayed on the night, and that can happen to any of the top teams. Sinclair would have left with broken ribs after the second scrum anyway. In his playing days Ronan looked pretty bright, but clearly not the case!Never thought the Ireland were bad losers,but after that bs interview I’ve been mistaken all along.Sad to see that from a once great player.
Poor poor analysis!
It wasn't a forward pass, and even if it was disallowed, the pommies wouldn't have won. They were losing the choke.
Matt Dawson not 1 south Africa player gets in the England team so much arragonce
that's okay mate no south African wants to be in an English team. infect not even the English wanted to be on that team yesterday, I do have a question though how many Newzelanders do you need in your team to beat Newzeland?
Lol why would we want to be English we've beeeen better than you and we'll always be better than you
@Mike Biagio do you know your team and coach mate. try that one again
What's more ludicrous with this summation is that Felix Jones is a compatriot in the Boks coach staff... you'd have thought there would be a different "bias" considering a great moment for one of O'Gara's own, in. Final where there was no other Irishman in sight.🤷🏻♂️
This is nonsense lol
South Africa were holding back the whole world cup it seems. They played a kicking game to force penalties on their aponents through pressure and played mainly with their forwards.
They knew their defense was good enough to support this style of play.
The ball barely ever went out to their backline which was pretty upsetting giving the amount of dangerous attacking runners they have. Its almost like they played the same predictable game all tournament long just to change their style completely in the final. One almost wonders if it was planned or on purpose. England surely didn't see it coming.
Either way, i think South Africa completely outplayed England and probably would have beaten any other team the way they played on Saturday.
They played to their strengths and were the best version of themselves on the day.
And how many World cups have O'gara/Ireland won?Never even won a World cup knockout match,but great poolstage rugby playing nation.
This narrative that South Africa had an easy route to the final is ridiculous. Wales grandslam winners, Japan beat Ireland. And on the other side the worst Australian team of a really long while. Granted NZ are tough but that doesn't detract from the basic point - there is no easy route to a World Cup final.
Basically, he is saying the Northern hemisphere rugby teams are weak opponents as compare to Southern hemisphere rugby teams.
But its true. The ‘ worst Oz team’ totally smashed Nz 2 months ago and regulalry beats the boks at home..
@@hanoitripper1809 One result does not a good team make. Also last team Oz beat Boks at home was 2011.
Edit: if you meant 'home' to refer to Oz then you're even sillier than I thought. If we look only at home ground results then every team is going to look like a world-beater.
Quentin du Plessis i think you must be the foolish one, as not everyone is a world beater at home. NZ often beat boks and others away. On neutral territory Oz has kod the boks from Cup semi finals. Hardly the mark of a hopeless team and Oz were very well placed in this years SA test before clumsy handling by DHP missed easy tries. Piling on a world record of points onto the abs recently means your argument has no grounds to being “ the worst oz team in a long while”.
@@hanoitripper1809 They struggled against a hapless Argentina mate. They lost by 18 points against the Boks' 2nd team. And the game against NZ was against 14 men and their only impressive performance all year.
I'm late to this but what an incredibly salty interview from O'gara.
Interviewer, "that was some defence from SA keeping out England for 25 odd phases"
O'gara, "in super rugby that's a yellow card for cynical play"
Then suggests England should have cynically faked a prop injury. Then he cant dignify Mapimpi and Am by learning their names, all while wearing the face of a man grieving at a wake! Lol
The Springbok defence is the BEST in the world!!!
when the ball is released backwards out the hands it can't be a forward pass it was flat and not obviously a forward pass also the ref had called the try so you have to be 100% sure there is an infringmet before and a flat pass is not 100%
He doesn’t look too bright, does he?
It's always entertaining to watch salty analysts. 😂😂😂 Especially if they're from the Northern Hemisphere....😁
1 World cup in 9 hemisphere.
England had an extra day off (the game against France was canceled) and England had a 7 day break after NZ and SA only had 6 days off. No excuses England, you got thumped.
Boks played Japan, who topped their pool. Played Wales as well... How is that easy???
Let's cut out names and go with this. Boks played the team that beat Ireland and Scotland and were unbeaten up until then (sounds like a tough opponent), Then the Boks played against the grand slam champions who were on a 15 match winning streak and were one of the contenders for the world cup, finally ending off by playing the number 1 team in the world. Now tell me how easy does that route sound?
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 well said mate!
Even New Zealand have never needed to beat New Zealand to win the RWC
The ‘other winger’ and pass from the ‘13’. Just lost it there and stopped watching this pathetic attempt at an analysis
I'm think he should take another look at that "forward pass". World rugby needs to make refs worldwide to ref in the same manner in every league.
Game could have been different with Sinckler but even tho Cole is old, he lost a scrum right at the beginning of the game before he would have been tired.
Harley W he wa snot mentally ready to come on. He only plays a short time usually.
@@hanoitripper1809 I don't know if Mostert and Marx were mentally ready to come on early either, but they were fine. Sinckler was vomiting before the game so who he probably wasn't in the best state to scrum either. Squads win world cups not teams. SA won penalties at the scrum even when our third choice tighthead was on the field. (Nyakane was injured in first game)
Harley W thta strue, but marx and mostert are young and strong.. coles seems to be the oppostite
@@hanoitripper1809 Well it's not SA's fault that England didn't prepare for unlikely scenarios. Beast is 34 and had a great game
Taking notes 📝
Have to say the the Irish pundits look like they have a issue with the Boks, ROG calling that pass forward despite the Ref, TMO, and the majority of neutrals seeing it otherwise. ROG's belief that there should have been a yellow against the Boks, etc.
Here are a few things that I saw that went unpunished by the Ref. Kolbe was high tackled around the neck. English players entering from the side on a few Bok mauls. Short lineout throwin not straight by the English. England also guilty of pushing the boundaries at the breakdown. Agree that in the end it balances out but ROG chooses focus on those in favour of the Boks.
This may have something to do with the last Lions tour to SA when Irish players where so dominant in that squad yet the Lions lost the series
Ronan, you saw a farward pass in the lead up to Mapimpi's try, but the TMO didn't. The TMO also has better access to the angles than any viewer does. You are the first person I heard who thinks that try should not have counted. It's in the record books now though.
For an ex professional player he's quite naive. No sour grapes at all hey.
Grow up dude! Amazing you're still looking to blame the ref for South Africa's dominance.
Forward pass ?
Excusses again 2007 was the same thing. You thought England would walk all pve South africa but you were suprised
A humble pie.
"If you take away all the Springboks' scrum penalties, and if their first try was called back for a forward pass that nobody else thinks was forward, and Kyle Sinckler didn't get injured, and Duane Vermeuelen was unnecessarily yellow carded, and South Africa had played the All Blacks in the semifinal... then the second try wouldn't have been scored and England would have deservedly won."
I agree, as an England supporter, that it seemed over after 3 minutes when Sinckler went off.
Right...because South Africa had no early injuries, right? Mbonambi and De Jager were totally faking, right? ROG is just bitter.
Mbonambi and de jager went off in the first half also
Ronan speaks of a yellow card to Vermulen as if England givng a shoulder against Mpimpi was not a yellow as well that was intentional just to mention a few of the penalties, very difficult to talk and be unbiased so Id rather Mr O Gara you stop riding the english flute. And honestly trying to state that the pool the English was in was much harder than the Boks makes me laugh. Salty much.
Also, they forget that SA won the Rugby championship. But again, like some of the players' names, they don't seem to know that.
Nice to hear an Irishman supporting England
@OffTheBall maybe next time get an analyst that actually knows the names of the players..... maybe that will give a little more credit to his so called expertise.
I agree... this was shamefull
So, R. O'Gara: Won't pass judgment on the scrum, because you're not a forwards coach. What gives you the authority to dispute the TMO decision?
He's not an expert on scrums, but having been a world class 10 I'd say it's fair to say he is an expert on passing.
@@peadarr Experience in play does not constitute expertise in officiating. I think you'll agree, from the down-votes and stern criticisms of O'gara's review, that he was biased and facetious. Whatever accolades R. O'Gara may have amassed in the past, he did not cover himself in glory in this particular instance.
EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES.
Guys y'all gave england the cup before the game start it ur biggest mistake to write off the mighty springboks
6 point game, 15min to go like it was going to achieve something the 26 phases with the eternal penalty advantage couldn't.
South Africans love O'Gara. He won us the 2009 Lions series. 😂😂😂
If you said to me SA were gonna win the world Cup a year ago I would of laughed
England were outplayed in every facet of the game yet you sit here seeking mitigating factors for their 20pt hiding. Springboks are world class, South Africa is world class 🏆
That ball was not forward, go watch, new footage available, sour sour sour...
England gets a bye and more rest and still not up for the finals, remember South Africa played NZ as an opener and also had injuries. No excuses, on the day South Africa was better by a mile, We never claim to be the best in the world, but for that final South Africa came ready and had England number. When England beat NZ no one said NZ was rubbish, they said England was great, but South Africa beats England and England gave it to South Africa, that is such poor taste. Come on guys, we could of scrummed all day for 3 points and also dominated the line-outs, but instead South Africa came ready to play and win. So the referee and the touch judges and the TMO all miss a forward pass. This is rubbish, England was out played, be gracious in defeat, learn from NZ in that regard. These comments diminishes a great match, England is a great team and that was not their day, their coach and team did wonderful and respect to them but South Africa played Wales which was ranked number 1 in the world, played a Japan that beat Scotland and Ireland so how can you say they had an easy road. There is no easy road to lift the Webb Ellis Cup. Either-way if they are as good as we all know they are then in 4 years they will be dominant and I feel sorry whom ever must play them.
Someone needs to tell that plonker that Africa is a continent, South Africa is country. I have lost a lot of respect for Mr O'gara based on this interview. I am shocked at his bias.
Vermeulen wasn't the one penalised. It was the Beast for not rolling away. Numpties.
The aerial shot shows that the pass to Mpimp was possibly forward, but the ground shot from the right shows it is clealy not forward. See it in this link: ruclips.net/video/WIiSJhXud7A/видео.html
mate, Sinclair was sick in the change room before the match. watch the tape. he was next to a bin looking lik he wanted to spew
Nerves boet, nerves
Lol The other winger contributed a total of 6 tries in this world cup.
Say what you want, but the best part is Rassie basically build his team in less than two years.
The Bokke are great, they are my team. But to be honest, there is always a hype arround Ireland before the world cup. When the time is there, nothing happens
The Boks have gone Bok 2 Bok, two weeks ago from Paris. I wonder what O Gara has to say now in 2023...🇿🇦🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆🤜🤛🇿🇦
O'Gara, Bad take. Salty. I think you doubt the resolve of South Africa. Had we played NZ, Wales or any other side, we were going to win this final. Read the room.
Got a lot of time for O'Gara's rugby wisdom but I think England would have prefered to play Australia rather than Wales in the Quarters. South Africa had Japan because Japan beat Ireland, and beat Ireland well.
Wales pushed South Africa all the way, because that's what Wales do even when they're evidently not the better team. It seems to be always a case of saying South Africa underperformed against Wales and then performed against England, there seems to never be any credit for the fact that Wales were just a drop kick and 10 minutes aways from winning that match. A match where Wales had to contend with the 'bomb squad' and had half of their first choice pack unavailable. Will anybody ever give Wales credit instead of classing them as lucky or that their opponents underperformed? I doubt it (smile).
O'Gara. You a chop!
thought highly of Ronan O'Gara what a real shame, seems really salty you'd think he was English accent withstanding. Stopped watching at "the other winger and the TERTEEN" embarrassing interview.
These guys forget that the springbok squad 10 years ago had a more consistent record. Back then we only lost to England once in 10 years, gave NZ a hammering from time to time, and never lost to Italy. They are still not at their peak. If you watch the tri-nations game against NZ in 2009, you will see just how good they can really be. SA are always hard to dominate, even when you are leading.
this dude looking at all ends to find any way to discredit the Bok victory, like come on dude
Everyone is allowed an opinion. Mine is simple. Japan had monster wins, and England's win was truely brilliant. The cherry on the cake was the Boks bringing a fantastic tournament to an end.
England were not in it they weren’t in it I’m English just say they were destroyed lads end off
Shocking. Please give SA credit, where credit is due.
The other commentator without the beard is a winey baby, except the fact that you where beaten by the best team in the world.
Ronan O Gara. A poor mans Andy Dunne.
This is pathetic.
So disrespectful from O’Gara, I understand you’re upset but show some respect and be humble in defeat. (Even though you’re an Ireland international👀)