As a South African it is not fun to watch Super rugby anymore. All the players you like move overseas and then you are left supporting a b or even a c team of the club you support.
Gareth Bennett I don’t know the numbers, but when actual all blacks take sabbaticals to play in Japan, I think it’s pretty obvious we have a problem too. The drain of Polynesian players particularly is extreme.
I understand your point and I was feeling the same until I started watching the games and then really enjoyed seeing all the new up and coming talent that SA is producing. Now I think that this works out well for SA rugby because otherwise we would not see these new young and exciting players coming through the SA system.
Delighted to hear about the South American comp. I've been predicting a time-zone split in world rugby for a little while and I won't be shocked if we see that when Super Rugby breaks up.
Yeah, I always enjoy seeing the smaller teams at the world cup. I was stoked for the Argies when they got into the Rugby Championship. And seeing how they've improved is great. I'm sure this will be a good thing for world rugby. I'd also love to see some sort of Norther and Southern hemisphere competition between world cups. That would give more minnow teams exposure and goals to work at. 😁
Good video as always, man. Any chance you'd wanna do an MLR video, maybe for folks here in the states who aren't as familiar with the aging stars who are headed to the States? The likes of Nonu, Ioane, Ranger, Bastareaud? It'd be cool to hear a more in depth look at the big name draws that are gonna be running around over here.
After consulting my crystal ball I foresee the following : - Super rugby will end at the end of the 2020 season. RIP - South Africa will go north to the Guinness league, which will be renamed ‘Castle of Guinness Pro Infinity’, and will have 6 SA teams. SA will work on getting into the Champions Cup and will win it within 3 years of entry. - after collective heart attacks, NZ and Australia will desperately schmooze around Asia, trying to set up an Asia-Pacific league, going cap in hand to the FMG guy (from Western Australia, forget his name) and other big business people to please finance it. - the Aussie and NZ player drain will be a vortex and the Rugby union landscape in both countries will be a desolate, rolling tumbleweed desert...... Wow, that.escalated. I’m depressed now 😂😂😂
Doubtful, for a number of reasons. First, the Pro 14 is already creaking with two (regularly shit) SA teams, and already looking at more franchises in the USA and Germany, so it would become the Pro 20. Secondly, and related, the Irish and Welsh provinces that currently dominate that competition would baulk at allowing much stronger SA teams into "their" competition, as like you say it would probably lead to loss of dominance for them. Thirdly, the player drain is in many ways self-regulating, as the Northern clubs are facing salary-cap restrictions and quotas on overseas talent (though not in Japan I believe), so there can only be so many per year. That said, without some large revenues from a competition like SR, it would be hard for the Australian and NZ franchises to remain viable, especially given the dwindling attendance at matches in the regular season.
The problem is... SA get 30 to 50 thousand fans to games and NZ AND Aus can't string together half of that. SA gives the biggest financial input into Super Rugby. SA would triple that if they move to Europe so it's going to come down to money. NZ and Auz will lose out as they will play against weaker teams from South Pacific and Asia... Biggest loses will be Aus and NZ. SA hold the cards at this stage.
@@danielcillie1856 well,you thought wrong.The demographic is changing,and for a number of reasons.Firstly,NZ is now having to compete with a multitude of different sports,football and basketball are the biggest growing sports in NZ.Particularly in the schools system.Secondly,the influx of immigrants from non rugby countries - mainly China and India.While some may follow the sport,few play it.Thirdly,the island population,who now dominate the sport,these players loyalties are suspect.Quite happy to use NZ to develop them,and then are the first to take the big money on offer ovrerseas.Fourthly,our best coaches are now being used by overseas teams v NZ. NZ rugby is under siege on all fronts.It is basically screwed.
You're welcome Mark. The Jersey is pretty much the whole of Leo Cullens' squad when he took over as Head Coach. There are still only 3 stars on it. I won it in a Supporters club (OLSC) raffle which the team supported which was nice.
Wow that's fantastic mate - I'm definitely gonna put that one away until I can get it up in a frame or something. Not sure if that mug is for tea or for beer but it's had tea in it so far! lol
@@TwoCentsRugby Ahh yeh the mug is ,as any totally boring old fart, nurdy geek will tell you, is in the original Leinster colours which dates it back to 2009 when we won our first Heineken cup. I think I need a bigger wardrobe to keep all this junk in :-)
Some of us remember when the NZ domestic competition was huge.....even in the early years of super rugby the NPC was still very popular. (Because all the top players played a shorter Super Rugby season they had time to play NPC and the domestic competition got better with players returning with international experience) I think NZ could survive with a domestic only comp. They could add Aussie teams and pacific teams if it was economically viable World rugby has to watch out though. Rugby league is getting very popular in NZ and the Pacific islands and Union is dying in Aussie. If the goal of rugby nations is to kill off all the opposition and become the last country standing then they are on the right track. If the goal is to grow the game and get stronger together then ignore Pacific rugby at your peril
Well said. Super rugbys issues should not be seen only as NZ or SAs problem, this needs to be seen as a World Rugby problem. But the rugby admins up north think that Rugby league doesn't exist so they are not taking this serious.
Hi there, I couldn't find a spot where I could make a general comment so I hope you see this. I've been watching your channel this year and I appreciate your insight and comments and unbiased opinion. If I may make a suggestion please, perhaps add a short conclusion or ending to your video to give us a quick chance to like your video. I am not sure how you tube ratings and scorings work but from what I've gathered watching other content, it's important for you to get likes. I find I watch your video and then it suddenly comes to the end and I haven't had a chance to like it and i'm sure it's caught a lot of people out. Just a suggestion if indeed likes are important to you. Keep up the great work, cheers!
I think the European Teams will benefit much more with the South African Teams joining their competition. Not sure if its a good thing for the ABs and the Aussies
It's extremely bad for both NZ/AUS.,SA have been threatening to leave for years. If they want to go,go.And if that means the game in Australasia collapses,so be it.
The article I found estimated that salaries for the league will be $500-3500 USD per month. The cost of living index for Montevideo (as an example) for a family of 4 is around $2,200/month not including rent, so it looks like some of the players might be able to support themselves or even a family playing rugby.
Wow that's exciting news mate - if they're playing rugby full time (even if just for part of the year) it's gonna mean a lot more than just part time where you train for a couple of hours after work
@@TwoCentsRugby No doubt. I used to play against several of the guys in MLR (playing DI Rugby in the US), and I could tell the jump in their performance just by getting to do rugby full time as opposed to on the side like us amateurs.
I understand people in SA are frustrated losing the lot of the good players to watch going to world wide leagues but this is how the South Africa national team keeps strong. The top tier players go play for the money they deserve Europe/ Japan..... and that leaves more money to invest into new young talent and it becomes a cycle of rebuilding new players. This gives the South Africa rugby union a globe of players to pick and choose from when forming the springbok team. This really is a big advantage for South Africa.
A decade ago I would have said no ways. Now SA going North is making more sense. If we can get 2 teams in each Northern comp and then rebuild the currie cup around another 2 domestic sides I think it will strengthen SA rugby all around as long as SA can get the money from North. Rugby championship must stay though. Will make it extra interesting.
As a South African I think it is a good decision. Hate to leave the southern hemisphere, tournament, but it makes more sense. We still make good money and player development and the island team get a potential platform to develop (hopefully also generating some moneyto keep their players). Time difference is better for everyone and SA can build our Currie Cup (local and the oldest rugby tournament to it's full strength again). Then we can have solid 5 test tournaments against the southern hemisphere throughout the year...... just my thoughts... Your channel is great R
Good video, thanks. Really cool to hear about the Super Liga, these competitions are really important to grow the game globally. Hope Super Rugby can get sorted soon, be a shame to see SA go north but if it's better for the game generally then so be it. Agree with Merts, Asia should be factored into NZ/Aus thinking but Fiji and the other islands still need to be sorted into the competition somehow.
@@Bokgat Haha yeah maybe he is. We all want to see what is best for everyone, as a Kiwi I'm a big fan of SA rugby, I just hope something gets sorted, Super is a bit of a mess.
Jack Kinross yeah agree. I think proximity is the big advantage which creates the market. Eg south of France rugby and the north Soccer. Room for both. MacDonaldS and kfc more successful if next door to each other. It’s all sport
@@Bokgat Yeah, good call. SA is becoming power player again off the field as much as on, which is good because you're a rugby nation. Despite our success and contrary to what people think, we'll never quite have the same influence as viewer numbers and dollars are key. SA decision making can counter England (north in general) so whatever happens, I hope the NZ/SA relationship is a good one.
Super Rugby teams need to play in smaller stadiums and fill them up. Looks awful to see a nearly empty stadium on video. Plus Super Rugby needs Promotion/Relegation. SA teams leaving Super Rugby is likely, but they’ll be joining the Pro14 which is the equivalent of Super Rugby in he north, a lackluster comp, silly divisions when Pro/Rel would make for a better product, which would lead to more TV deals, which leads to more money, and the cycle continues on from there.
Chester Donnelly Pro14 is fantastic if you’re one of the Irish provinces and Cardiff, not so much if you’re the others. Would love to see all the SA teams join the Pro14, make it a pro/rel league, and then add a pro team in the bottom division from Germany, Spain, Russia, Romania, Georgia, the Netherlands, Portugal, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Kenya... that would make the Pro14 something different and special
@@MichaeldeSousaCruz I see where you're coming from but the Welsh would never agree to that. The Scottish teams are decent, also Benetton and Cheetahs. But Ospreys, Dragons, Zebre and Kings are really no good. The competition would be really good if there were 4 strong South African teams, and maybe only two Welsh teams. I also think there is a need for a professional tier 2 club tournament in Europe. It could be started quite easy with the best professional teams from Italy and Romania, then other teams from Spain, Germany etc could join once it's up and running.
Chester Donnelly if the Pro14 went to a Pro/Rel system, then the Welsh could include that 5th north wales team they’ve been looking for without sacrificing (and upsetting once again like they’ve done in the past) one of the already established teams. I’ve heard talk of dividing Leinster province into 2 teams, north and south, so there would be more pathways to develop Irish talent at a higher level. I can’t see a way that the Pro14 would outcompete the money making machines that are the Premiership and Top14, as it is currently set up. Setting a top division and a bottom division and expansion into the other European and African countries would broaden their viewership and increase TV deals, which means more moolah for all the teams involved. Plus it helps to develop the international game in those other countries (but why would the current Pro14 unions want to increase international competitiveness anyways? 😉 They can keep on patting themselves on the back as the 3rd most watched international sport competition, behind the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics)
Mehrtens is right in a way, we as south africans should consider it..the time zones would b okay besides super rugby isn't what its was before..european rugby (heineken cup etc.) is already bigger than super rugby
And yet the quality rugby is still happening in the southern hemisphere, IMO if we want to remain competitive we need to continue playing against NZ teams. We already have Pro 14 teams competing in Europe.
We need to keep playing Super Rugby it increases the depth of the Boks. I like that we play in both Super Rugby and Pro 14 as it gives us the best of both worlds. We just need to put more resources into Pro 14. This is just a short term problem for our teams as more money will start flowing into these teams as we start privatizing our franchises ala the Bulls.
Scrap SA from Super Rugby... The trip down under is a back breaker. We have the Rugby Championships for our yearly NZ/OZ exposure. Push SA to Europe. More money for SA and South Africans
@Jack Smith If you look at all our top players, they mostly play for France, Great Britain, Japan and a few down under anyway. Have the Currie Cup as the only incubator and sell our players to the highest bidders. Provinces get cash and players get cash. Not like the 500 000 DSTV subscribers have enough punch anyway. And who watches Super Rugby anyway? After all... cash is King. The more kids we can attract to Currie Cup with promises of big paychecks overseas, the more SA rugby will grow. What do you choose; the small pond of SANZA or the big ocean of Europe?
Nailed it as always for me I think it might be the start of the pathway to the global season. We’ve always had that travel disadvantage, so as a whole for the game I think it would be a much needed shake up right across the global community. As NZ could assist development in Asian and the Pacific islands and so fourth.
As a South African it would be sad to not play against Australian and especially NZ teams. But if it means our local clubs are able to pay players more, and thus keeping our own players from leaving, I am 100% behind it. I'm honestly tired of seeing the Lions/Blue Bulls/WP and sharks struggling in Super Rugby while it's painfully obvious why. The 2016/2017 Lions team would've for sure won a title by now, even if we've managed to get to the final after that with other players.
Ivan Cuyler I feel you pain bud. Now Pollard is also gone from the loop.. I’m a bulls suppo with a soft spot for the Lions being born in Joey The funny thing is that it’s not only the players Once a coach shows himself he’s also on the NH radar.. Ackermann should never have left these shores... He took a rag tag bunch and turned them into a super outfit worthy of a title.. He should be back here in sunny SA helping Rassie and Nienaber galvanize the local SR teams...
@@RobinCafolla I'm not against the idea it's more the financial side! But as Mark say's a big chunk of Super Rugby money comes from SA then hey money talks! Are the SA fans keen on the idea?
@@fleshen I'm not sure what the SA think. It's obviously easier to watch pro 14 games with an hour timezone difference than a super rugby with a 10 hour difference, so they might be in favour.
Andrew Mertens didnt think when he said SA must be cut from SR because cutting SA means cutting SRs biggest source of income. However as a SAcan I am really hoping that we leave SR for our own or a northern competition. On the South American competition, the Argentinians are already setup for it because they have a team currently playing in the Currie Cup second division which they won this year.
South Africa will get stronger if we move to a European competition but New Zealand and Australia will get weaker if they don't play South Africa regularly
Mehrtens may be thinking of those past discussions about ZA teams playing in the one of the European leagues instead of Super Rugby (like stated, it already is the case with Cheetahs and Kings). Less jet-lag due to minor timezone change, shorter flights and the chance learn how to deal with the wet high ball.
Never thought Id hear something along the lines of other countries being dependent on SA money, lol seems like rugby is one of the few things that financially work in SA.
Hmmm not sure. In the north rugby is going same way as pro football. It’s a case of my highly paid foreigners are better than your highly paid foreigners. Good for club rugby but national team suffers. Possible bad for both hemispheres...
The only thing I can see going against SA doing a deal with Europe is that it will impinge on the Currie Cup. Having heard SA fans recently that would be more than most could take. I always love watching the South African sides play in Super Rugby and every year they always find a young superstar in the making. I personally think once the competition (Super Rugby) reverts back to it's original format and does away with the unfair conference points system it will become a very watchable package and rival the NRL for viewer time. Just my opinion - let's see.
What if the top four teams join champions league rugby in europe. Secondly the big franchises should then be privatized. The injection of investment into rugby in the south will allow us to keep players and pay competitive salaries. Aren't all European teams private? What do you guys think? I think sadly rugby is gona go the same way as football(soccer) Europe's money will dominate if the Southern hemisphere doesn't male big changes
South Africa already has started the process of pulling out. Just look at the new contracts on offer on that side of the pond. Plus it was said... Super rugby will be there to develop players!
My man, love your channel... Unfortunately one can't blame the players, SAs politics and the economy are terrible.... Dont want to be negative but someone has to mention it. Best of luck to those players.its not only the top players, there is so much young boys from school level going over.
Honestly, as a South African, I don't understand why we don't pull out of SuperRugby and join northern hemisphere. Have our franchises play in Europe and our national team then play the Rugby Championship against NZ and Aus. Talk about getting to have your cake and eat it as a Bok fan. My only concern would be that the move would actually hurt Aus and NZ rugby considering the reliance on SA revenue streams.
They looking to cut sa anyways... Good luck to them and their revenue... Let nz carry aus...duno whose going to pay rites to watch that comp as nz and aus even incl pi small numbers even combined won't add to sa watching population... If sa can get into any of the north comps they will be better off...
@@gameadadams5338 Asia Pacific region is a potential market. In 2020 there will be professional rugby teams in Hong Kong, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, as well as Perth, Fiji, Auckland and Brisbane for Global Rapid Rugby. Of course there is no guarantee that Asian countries will be interested in rugby but it makes more sense logistically to have a tournament in that area rather than flying across oceans to play teams in far away continents.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 that sounds more viable... They should that.. Develop and carry aus Asia and pacific... The strong competition will do wonders for nz rugby... Good luck that and the vierership and TV rights will rake in the make believe money... The initial yrs might be tough and nz will have to carry the load for not only Oz but the others as well who don't have their own comps yet... I say go for it! 👏👏👏Hk 15 man teams with pi teams getting hammered week in week out will do wonders for rugby over there ... I'm sure the public will love watching it in between their other major sports... Hell yeah...nz teams will really benifit playing against those strong teams...I'm sure nz public will lap up this type of competition... 😉😂
@@gameadadams5338 they will load the teams with Kiwis and Fijians, and also Europeans and South Africans. It will do wonders for the Pacific Islands teams. They will also have coaches from New Zealand. You laugh now but Scotland, Ireland and South Africa weren't laughing after being beaten by Japan in the world cup. The alternative is for New Zealand teams to just play eachother.
If nz rugby was really smart they would look at a new competition with South Africa based on the s12 model... At high school level or varsity uni level there is huge market potential at the Same time great for rugby for both nations as well as huge interest...marketed correctly could be a really awesome competition... The breeding grounds for both future stars as well as their long histories of said schools is a great draw card...
I agree. One simple reason, the Euro is much stronger than the NZ and AU dollar, not to mention the SA Rand. And whether we like it or not the time zone difference has ALWAYS left South Africa at a disadvantage. And for South African supporters, they get to see their heroes playing in a relevant tournament including those playing overseas. It would also have the effect of lifting European rugby to the next level because the tournaments are more competitive. Having the Cheetahs and Kings play in a European tournament has been good (for the Cheetahs at least). I personally can't wait to see South Africa exit the ANZAC setup and join a European competition. SANZAR have been poor in managing and developing Super Rugby. Each time they "tweak" or "rejig" or "change" it, it has been worse off. And the reason for this has been that, instead of trying to promote the game, Sanzar have been trying to maximize Advertising revenue. I really despise the conference system and miss the "good ol' days" of every team playing one another. Mehrtens has a very valid point... Super Rugby is no longer fun to watch and should fade away.
I think SA should go to the Northern Hemisphere and an entire new competition between Aus, NZ, Pacific Countries and the Asian market should be introduced. Question: If Super Rugby dies then what happens to the Rugby Championship?
Whatcha gonna do without Saffa land in Super Rugby? NZ and Oz play each other 20 times, play Arg 10 times and bring Japan (which at club lever is NOWHERE near standard)!? Besides, do you want to loose all that $'s SA bring to the table!? Lol 😂😂😂 I don't think so...!!!
Here is the big problem for me with super rugby. The extended comp was mainly to help Australia teams that don't have a provincial comp like New Zealand (old NPC) and South Africa (Currie Cup). As I understand it, Australia only have club competition outside of super rugby. They had a problem that after super rugby concluded just before the rugby championship they had no regional or provincial comp to keep their international players playing at a high level till the end of year international season. The extended super rugby season has made the currie cup a watered down comp which use to be very strong. The top players are playing super rugby and don't play the whole currie cup season which have hurt the interest in the Currie Cup. I think super rugby should take the same format as the Heineken Cup in Europe so the best players can still play in the currie cup/NPC. Australia should maybe join the New Zealand NPC comp or start a league with Japan. That way the local comps will stay strong and teams can still play in a much shorter super rugby season. The European system make much more sense than what we currently have in the south.
Australia now has the ARC, the national domestic league, roughly organised along state lines. Fiji also have a team in this league, I think it’s called the Fiji Dura.
@@rugbyfanz6208 That is very good news, there is no more reason to keep persisting with this drawn out super rugby comp and our local comps can return to being proper comps like they use to be and like they still have in Europe. I see it's called the NRC. I hope SANZAR will change the super rugby format to something more sensible like the Europeans have with the Heineken cup. The franchise system also makes very little sense. At the moment you can't even support your own countries teams when they play against teams from other nations because if your local teams win it influence your favorite teams chances of making the playoffs. It is a very strange format that doesn't make a lot of sense.
League is growing rapidly in NZ and Tonga but if you look at it overall in the Australasian region League is the bigger sport by far. Tonga has literally become a League island in a short period with mass code switches happenning according to Siale Piutau. A lot of talented young NZ rugby players are also opting to play league rather than union because of the lure of the NRL which is highly regarded in NZ more than any other rugby union comp outside of super rugby and rugby championship. So the day frontline all blacks stop playing super rugby that would be the end. More young players would shift to league because of the exposure of league stars they'll get coming into the country to play NRL games as well as the favorable timezones.
@@mickfarrell6458 Probably not in our lifetime or maybe when we are very old. But looking at some of the stats out there it doesnt look good for rugby in the future compared to league. Asians are the fastest growing demographic in NZ but their preference of sport is a bit of a mix. Then you have Maori and Pacifika populations that are also growing rapidly and thats where you have league spreading like wildfire in those communities. Rugbys ratings are also falling rapidly among millennials and gen z so pretty soon you might have a situation where rugby union is more for old folks and league for the young and vibrant generations. Also league is arguably the bigger of the 2 games in Auckland a city of 1.6 million which is a massive chunk of the population of NZ. The NZ warriors of the NRL have a bigger following in NZ than each of the 5 NZ Super Rugby franchises and the moment they reach their potential and start winning premierships that will be even more bad news for rugby. The bottom line is that Super Rugbys crisis should not be seen only as NZs problem or SAs problem this needs to be seen as World Rugbys problem. Without a great Super Rugby you are only allowing Rugby League to take over the pacific a region that has won 5 world cups and has 5 countries within tier 1 and 2 rugby. The future Beauden Barretts will not be running out for Crusaders or Saracens but would instead aspire to play for the Rabbitohs, Warriors or the Storm. In fact thats already happening because there is already up to 4-6 kiwi leagueys that the All Blacks would die for one of which Jason Taumalolo NZ Rugby had an unsuccessful bid 2 years ago to sign him to switch.
1. South African teams won't just come to Europe, The English and French leagues simply won't let them in. They will have to apply to join the Pro 14. 2. Isn't the name Super League in relation to Rugby Copyrighted by English Rugby League and Sky TV?
If we are to compete with fifa, and come on please admit there is a battle of the codes, we need to allow for a more seamless transition between tier two to tier one’s which they do so well in the epl. Let’s see japan set a few precedents and inspire Spain who are right up there - for example and one of few!
Why should we want to stay? All we are doing in SR is funding NZ and Aus development, while our players are getting hammered by travel. To use the same example I always use.. by the end of last season, PSDT had played 24 games, started 23 of them. He had played in NZ (two tours), Australia (two tours), Argentina (two tours), Hong Kong, USA, England, Scotland, France, Wales and back to England. Long story short, in 10 months, he had travelled around the world twice and played a high class game of rugby on average every 10 days. This is not good for SA rugby at all and our players are going to get burned out quickly. No wonder the overseas players looked so good when they came back into the side.
@@richardscanlan3419 Throw whatever little mini tantrums you want, buddy, but there are two facts that you cannot avoid. One is that SA Rugby adds the most funds to the central SANZAAR coffers and two is that even Steve Hansen was warning of the perils of too much travel when the AB's arrived in Europe at the end of 2018. www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/103908905/mark-reason-south-africa-move-to-europe-would-bankrupt-new-zealand-rugby www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/10/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-calls-for-four-month-off-season-to-reduce-player-fatigue.html Two New Zealand articles who back my argument, albeit from another angle. By the way, it's a pleasure, but I think you now need to go and find another cash cow.
@@richardscanlan3419 Who is bleating? I was merely pointing out the other side of the argument to the OP when you decided to get involved with your sarcastic comments...
If they dump the SA teams out of Super Rugby, they should re-admit the Force, re-franchise the Sunwolves and look either for a team from the Islands (Suva Cyclones anyone?) or another Asian franchise out of Singapore or Hong Kong.
Merhts has always hated his country of birth smh supposed to be a good player (I dont think he'd last today) but his attitude has always stunk! Anyways, I don't think it would be a bad thing for SA to leave to Europe. Would kill the game in Aus though losing all the funds :/
I reckon return super rugby to 12/13 teams. Merhtens doesn't take finances into account and he's a severely cynical person. The 5 New Zealand sides, 4 from SA and 3 from Oz.
Wish we could go back to the glory days of old NPC. But financially impossible it will force NZ to let there players play overseas and still be eligible for the Allblacks
Super rugby has become shit because of the shit conference system. Bring back the super 12 or 14 format and keep the wildcard system. Or fuck it you know what we will join the European comps more money in it anyway. We'll see what happens to NZ and Aus rugby if this happens.
Super rugby is honestly dead no1 turns up to games etc etc they just need to remake the comps six nations is pumping atm while the rugby championship is dieing they need to pull them into 1 cup or watch the sport crumble.
surely the next cut of super rugby will be a new zealand team everyone else aus + SA have lost teams a pacific nations side instead of the chiefs etc playing the occassional match there. Disagree with more SA teams in Europe need a georgian or roumanian team if pro 14 is to expand. Why not revamp the rugby championship each side to play 2 3 match test series each year one at home and one away one with most points win the championship say in year one NZ play 3 home tests v SA + 3 AWAY IN aus year 2 3 home v AUS + 3 AWAY IN ARG YEAR 3 3 HOME V ARG 3 AWAY IN SA.THE BIGGEST TROUBLE WITH SANZAR RUGBY YOU ARE SEEING THE SAME PLAYERS WEEK IN WEEK OUT. at the moment no all black team has the opportunity to play a series against another sothern hem team
@@kenrogers1994 see,this is the problem I have with dickheads like you. The majority are NZers,you fucking mong.2nd,and in some cases 3rd generation kiwis. It is ike willis Halohalo making himself for Wales.Yes,he has island ancestry,but he was born in NZ,so he is a kiwi.It is really not that difficult to work out.
great no problem .......please SA leave a competition that has always be loaded to suit Aussies and All Blacks and lets take our money with us , Mertens you muppet , SA please leave !!!! We as Saffers are begging to leave and stop funding development in Aus and All blacks - cheers see you later
If you want to go,go.And if that means the game in NZ dies,so be it.I have had a gutsful of NZ having to bend its knee to you saffers over every issue. Our player base is pillaged by most rugby nations ( excl, ARG/SA),and our best coaches are propping up teams all around the world,and,due to a paucity of choices,we are probably going to end up with Foster as AB coach. Frankly,I am getting to the stage where I almost don't want the AB's playing.What's the point,a B grade team getting smashed by all and sundry. So,don't worry,saffer,NZ are a spent force.They won't be winning anything for a long time to come.
@@richardscanlan3419 Some very good points raised and a very honest response Sir .Not sure AB rugby will ever be a spent force way to much pride or MANA if I am using the word correctly . Not sure that AB's have ever had to bend a knee at the door of SA Rugby
@@182Warren thanks for the kind response.Sadly,I think you will find NZ will be a spent force,for now.Why? 2 reasons,firstly,it looks like we are about to be saddled with Foster,NZ fortunes are going south,the guy is an idiot.And secondly,a paucity of quality players,mostly in the forwards.So,even with the right coach ( Robertson?),we will still struggle. I really hope I am wrong on ths,but I have a bad feeling I will be proven right.
@@morrie1607 you making my point for me... Sa already has 2 teams competing in Europe with the other t1 nations... Sa leaving would not drop their rugby to t2 rather that's more likely with nz teams only having a comp with weaker aus teams cos they are weaker than sa teams and pi and Japan teams will lower the comprtiveness to t2... Imho
As a South African it is not fun to watch Super rugby anymore. All the players you like move overseas and then you are left supporting a b or even a c team of the club you support.
Demon Core also in NZ
Gareth Bennett I don’t know the numbers, but when actual all blacks take sabbaticals to play in Japan, I think it’s pretty obvious we have a problem too. The drain of Polynesian players particularly is extreme.
Nz drain nothing compared to sa. Surprised we won the wc. Nz and the rest were terrible
I understand your point and I was feeling the same until I started watching the games and then really enjoyed seeing all the new up and coming talent that SA is producing. Now I think that this works out well for SA rugby because otherwise we would not see these new young and exciting players coming through the SA system.
Demon Core Currie cup is lit
rassie is director of rugby from next year and he wil know what to do with our super rugby teams
in rassie we trust
In Rassie we trust.
Smart move
Neh
@@christiankolbe7212 Come on Cheslin, is "neh" all you got? We would like to hear from a player, so tell us what you scheme.
Delighted to hear about the South American comp. I've been predicting a time-zone split in world rugby for a little while and I won't be shocked if we see that when Super Rugby breaks up.
Yeah, I always enjoy seeing the smaller teams at the world cup.
I was stoked for the Argies when they got into the Rugby Championship. And seeing how they've improved is great.
I'm sure this will be a good thing for world rugby.
I'd also love to see some sort of Norther and Southern hemisphere competition between world cups. That would give more minnow teams exposure and goals to work at.
😁
Greed almost killed Super Rugby a competetion that has done a lot for global rugby. But Super 12 was the best of all the Super Formats formats.
I agree. They were the best seasons.
I wish I had a friend like John
Good video as always, man. Any chance you'd wanna do an MLR video, maybe for folks here in the states who aren't as familiar with the aging stars who are headed to the States? The likes of Nonu, Ioane, Ranger, Bastareaud?
It'd be cool to hear a more in depth look at the big name draws that are gonna be running around over here.
Luke Porter - Agreed!
Yes, MLR video!!!!!!
When Super Rugby got bigger than 12 teams it just became too much and I now only watch from just before knock out stages.
After consulting my crystal ball I foresee the following :
- Super rugby will end at the end of the 2020 season. RIP
- South Africa will go north to the Guinness league, which will be renamed ‘Castle of Guinness Pro Infinity’, and will have 6 SA teams. SA will work on getting into the Champions Cup and will win it within 3 years of entry.
- after collective heart attacks, NZ and Australia will desperately schmooze around Asia, trying to set up an Asia-Pacific league, going cap in hand to the FMG guy (from Western Australia, forget his name) and other big business people to please finance it.
- the Aussie and NZ player drain will be a vortex and the Rugby union landscape in both countries will be a desolate, rolling tumbleweed desert......
Wow, that.escalated. I’m depressed now 😂😂😂
Doubtful, for a number of reasons. First, the Pro 14 is already creaking with two (regularly shit) SA teams, and already looking at more franchises in the USA and Germany, so it would become the Pro 20. Secondly, and related, the Irish and Welsh provinces that currently dominate that competition would baulk at allowing much stronger SA teams into "their" competition, as like you say it would probably lead to loss of dominance for them. Thirdly, the player drain is in many ways self-regulating, as the Northern clubs are facing salary-cap restrictions and quotas on overseas talent (though not in Japan I believe), so there can only be so many per year. That said, without some large revenues from a competition like SR, it would be hard for the Australian and NZ franchises to remain viable, especially given the dwindling attendance at matches in the regular season.
Mate, stop raining on my psychic parade. While you have some valid points, crystal ball don’t care, crystal ball don’t do facts, because...crystal 😂😂😂
@@Formakiwi Cheetahs reached the playoffs in our first season..
Your the prophet
As someone who lives in Bristol, I am very happy indeed
This is great news for the Premiership, but of course especially Bristol.
The problem is... SA get 30 to 50 thousand fans to games and NZ AND Aus can't string together half of that. SA gives the biggest financial input into Super Rugby. SA would triple that if they move to Europe so it's going to come down to money. NZ and Auz will lose out as they will play against weaker teams from South Pacific and Asia... Biggest loses will be Aus and NZ. SA hold the cards at this stage.
Agree,
Agree. Been saying this all along.
Still baffles me how New Zealand crowds are so small when they have the best teams
@@bensenzo yeah its weird, I thought they live and breath rugby in NZ.
@@danielcillie1856 well,you thought wrong.The demographic is changing,and for a number of reasons.Firstly,NZ is now having to compete with a multitude of different sports,football and basketball are the biggest growing sports in NZ.Particularly in the schools system.Secondly,the influx of immigrants from non rugby countries - mainly China and India.While some may follow the sport,few play it.Thirdly,the island population,who now dominate the sport,these players loyalties are suspect.Quite happy to use NZ to develop them,and then are the first to take the big money on offer ovrerseas.Fourthly,our best coaches are now being used by overseas teams v NZ.
NZ rugby is under siege on all fronts.It is basically screwed.
You're welcome Mark. The Jersey is pretty much the whole of Leo Cullens' squad when he took over as Head Coach. There are still only 3 stars on it. I won it in a Supporters club (OLSC) raffle which the team supported which was nice.
Wow that's fantastic mate - I'm definitely gonna put that one away until I can get it up in a frame or something. Not sure if that mug is for tea or for beer but it's had tea in it so far! lol
@@TwoCentsRugby Ahh yeh the mug is ,as any totally boring old fart, nurdy geek will tell you, is in the original Leinster colours which dates it back to 2009 when we won our first Heineken cup. I think I need a bigger wardrobe to keep all this junk in :-)
Haha well it's getting good use!
Some of us remember when the NZ domestic competition was huge.....even in the early years of super rugby the NPC was still very popular. (Because all the top players played a shorter Super Rugby season they had time to play NPC and the domestic competition got better with players returning with international experience)
I think NZ could survive with a domestic only comp. They could add Aussie teams and pacific teams if it was economically viable
World rugby has to watch out though. Rugby league is getting very popular in NZ and the Pacific islands and Union is dying in Aussie. If the goal of rugby nations is to kill off all the opposition and become the last country standing then they are on the right track. If the goal is to grow the game and get stronger together then ignore Pacific rugby at your peril
NRL is licking their lips to choke nzru out to take control of their region.
Yeah man I remember watching Auckland v King Country as a kid at Eden Park - very well attended
Well said. Super rugbys issues should not be seen only as NZ or SAs problem, this needs to be seen as a World Rugby problem. But the rugby admins up north think that Rugby league doesn't exist so they are not taking this serious.
@@tinasherusike7458 they know league exists,they just don't care because it doesn't affect them in the north.
@@richardscanlan3419 u hit the nail on the head. League is still niche in the UK. But that can't affect their judgement.
Hi there, I couldn't find a spot where I could make a general comment so I hope you see this. I've been watching your channel this year and I appreciate your insight and comments and unbiased opinion. If I may make a suggestion please, perhaps add a short conclusion or ending to your video to give us a quick chance to like your video. I am not sure how you tube ratings and scorings work but from what I've gathered watching other content, it's important for you to get likes. I find I watch your video and then it suddenly comes to the end and I haven't had a chance to like it and i'm sure it's caught a lot of people out. Just a suggestion if indeed likes are important to you. Keep up the great work, cheers!
Thanks man yeah I will try and add that - I forgot with today's video - might take a while for me to change my habit - but yeah I appreciate it!
I think the European Teams will benefit much more with the South African Teams joining their competition. Not sure if its a good thing for the ABs and the Aussies
It's extremely bad for both NZ/AUS.,SA have been threatening to leave for years.
If they want to go,go.And if that means the game in Australasia collapses,so be it.
The article I found estimated that salaries for the league will be $500-3500 USD per month. The cost of living index for Montevideo (as an example) for a family of 4 is around $2,200/month not including rent, so it looks like some of the players might be able to support themselves or even a family playing rugby.
Wow that's exciting news mate - if they're playing rugby full time (even if just for part of the year) it's gonna mean a lot more than just part time where you train for a couple of hours after work
@@TwoCentsRugby No doubt. I used to play against several of the guys in MLR (playing DI Rugby in the US), and I could tell the jump in their performance just by getting to do rugby full time as opposed to on the side like us amateurs.
Can't wait to see the South American comp!
Wow , what a nice wee package in the mail. Interesting times coming up that's for sure.
I understand people in SA are frustrated losing the lot of the good players to watch going to world wide leagues but this is how the South Africa national team keeps strong. The top tier players go play for the money they deserve Europe/ Japan..... and that leaves more money to invest into new young talent and it becomes a cycle of rebuilding new players. This gives the South Africa rugby union a globe of players to pick and choose from when forming the springbok team. This really is a big advantage for South Africa.
Hear hear
A decade ago I would have said no ways. Now SA going North is making more sense. If we can get 2 teams in each Northern comp and then rebuild the currie cup around another 2 domestic sides I think it will strengthen SA rugby all around as long as SA can get the money from North. Rugby championship must stay though. Will make it extra interesting.
As a South African I think it is a good decision. Hate to leave the southern hemisphere, tournament, but it makes more sense. We still make good money and player development and the island team get a potential platform to develop (hopefully also generating some moneyto keep their players). Time difference is better for everyone and SA can build our Currie Cup (local and the oldest rugby tournament to it's full strength again).
Then we can have solid 5 test tournaments against the southern hemisphere throughout the year...... just my thoughts...
Your channel is great
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Good video, thanks. Really cool to hear about the Super Liga, these competitions are really important to grow the game globally. Hope Super Rugby can get sorted soon, be a shame to see SA go north but if it's better for the game generally then so be it. Agree with Merts, Asia should be factored into NZ/Aus thinking but Fiji and the other islands still need to be sorted into the competition somehow.
Jack Kinross Mehrts is green with envy. He suggested we Saffas play in the Middle East
@@Bokgat Haha yeah maybe he is. We all want to see what is best for everyone, as a Kiwi I'm a big fan of SA rugby, I just hope something gets sorted, Super is a bit of a mess.
Jack Kinross yeah agree. I think proximity is the big advantage which creates the market. Eg south of France rugby and the north Soccer. Room for both. MacDonaldS and kfc more successful if next door to each other. It’s all sport
@@Bokgat nice analogy
@@Bokgat Yeah, good call. SA is becoming power player again off the field as much as on, which is good because you're a rugby nation. Despite our success and contrary to what people think, we'll never quite have the same influence as viewer numbers and dollars are key. SA decision making can counter England (north in general) so whatever happens, I hope the NZ/SA relationship is a good one.
Wow John is your BEST fan! That shirt looks amazing
This one is a different John 😅
Two Cents Rugby oh! I did wonder as I didn’t think the other John lives in Ireland. It is a fantastic gift and I stand by my best fan comment!
Radradra to Bristol Bears did not see that coming..Bears making big recruitment.
Next salary cap scandal?
Kinda knew that Semi wasnt leaving Union coz he has an eye on making the Olympics.Glad that he chose an up and coming team in the Prem.
HAHAHA good cut us out and watch NZ rugby have no money
We don't need your money anyways every game in our own comp has been sold out,suck on that.
Super Rugby teams need to play in smaller stadiums and fill them up. Looks awful to see a nearly empty stadium on video.
Plus Super Rugby needs Promotion/Relegation.
SA teams leaving Super Rugby is likely, but they’ll be joining the Pro14 which is the equivalent of Super Rugby in he north, a lackluster comp, silly divisions when Pro/Rel would make for a better product, which would lead to more TV deals, which leads to more money, and the cycle continues on from there.
Pro14 is fantastic, and Pro16 with two more SA teams would be even better.
Chester Donnelly Pro14 is fantastic if you’re one of the Irish provinces and Cardiff, not so much if you’re the others. Would love to see all the SA teams join the Pro14, make it a pro/rel league, and then add a pro team in the bottom division from Germany, Spain, Russia, Romania, Georgia, the Netherlands, Portugal, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Kenya... that would make the Pro14 something different and special
The stadiums is an issue mate - Eden Park loses money hand over fist because it's only ever full when the ABs play there... which isn't often
@@MichaeldeSousaCruz I see where you're coming from but the Welsh would never agree to that. The Scottish teams are decent, also Benetton and Cheetahs. But Ospreys, Dragons, Zebre and Kings are really no good. The competition would be really good if there were 4 strong South African teams, and maybe only two Welsh teams. I also think there is a need for a professional tier 2 club tournament in Europe. It could be started quite easy with the best professional teams from Italy and Romania, then other teams from Spain, Germany etc could join once it's up and running.
Chester Donnelly if the Pro14 went to a Pro/Rel system, then the Welsh could include that 5th north wales team they’ve been looking for without sacrificing (and upsetting once again like they’ve done in the past) one of the already established teams.
I’ve heard talk of dividing Leinster province into 2 teams, north and south, so there would be more pathways to develop Irish talent at a higher level.
I can’t see a way that the Pro14 would outcompete the money making machines that are the Premiership and Top14, as it is currently set up. Setting a top division and a bottom division and expansion into the other European and African countries would broaden their viewership and increase TV deals, which means more moolah for all the teams involved. Plus it helps to develop the international game in those other countries (but why would the current Pro14 unions want to increase international competitiveness anyways? 😉 They can keep on patting themselves on the back as the 3rd most watched international sport competition, behind the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics)
If only Coaches understood entertainment... Super Rugby Would been Awesome... Mehrtens is correct.
Mehrtens is right in a way, we as south africans should consider it..the time zones would b okay besides super rugby isn't what its was before..european rugby (heineken cup etc.) is already bigger than super rugby
And yet the quality rugby is still happening in the southern hemisphere, IMO if we want to remain competitive we need to continue playing against NZ teams. We already have Pro 14 teams competing in Europe.
We need to keep playing Super Rugby it increases the depth of the Boks. I like that we play in both Super Rugby and Pro 14 as it gives us the best of both worlds. We just need to put more resources into Pro 14. This is just a short term problem for our teams as more money will start flowing into these teams as we start privatizing our franchises ala the Bulls.
Scrap SA from Super Rugby... The trip down under is a back breaker. We have the Rugby Championships for our yearly NZ/OZ exposure. Push SA to Europe. More money for SA and South Africans
Cool but how are we south africans supposed to watch the rugby?
Locally I mean :) Unless I missed the point where the Europeans travel here as well
@Jack Smith If you look at all our top players, they mostly play for France, Great Britain, Japan and a few down under anyway. Have the Currie Cup as the only incubator and sell our players to the highest bidders. Provinces get cash and players get cash. Not like the 500 000 DSTV subscribers have enough punch anyway. And who watches Super Rugby anyway? After all... cash is King. The more kids we can attract to Currie Cup with promises of big paychecks overseas, the more SA rugby will grow. What do you choose; the small pond of SANZA or the big ocean of Europe?
Nailed it as always for me I think it might be the start of the pathway to the global season.
We’ve always had that travel disadvantage, so as a whole for the game I think it would be a much needed shake up right across the global community. As NZ could assist development in Asian and the Pacific islands and so fourth.
We already develop players for the islands.Their national teams are full of our players.And Asis? well,Japan already has massive NZ input.
As a South African it would be sad to not play against Australian and especially NZ teams. But if it means our local clubs are able to pay players more, and thus keeping our own players from leaving, I am 100% behind it. I'm honestly tired of seeing the Lions/Blue Bulls/WP and sharks struggling in Super Rugby while it's painfully obvious why. The 2016/2017 Lions team would've for sure won a title by now, even if we've managed to get to the final after that with other players.
Ivan Cuyler I feel you pain bud. Now Pollard is also gone from the loop..
I’m a bulls suppo with a soft spot for the Lions being born in Joey
The funny thing is that it’s not only the players
Once a coach shows himself he’s also on the NH radar..
Ackermann should never have left these shores...
He took a rag tag bunch and turned them into a super outfit worthy of a title..
He should be back here in sunny SA helping Rassie and Nienaber galvanize the local SR teams...
Where are you broadcasting from Sir? If you dont mind
I'm in NZ mate
How can I get my hands on that Springboks jersey
Love how these have aged 👏 fine wine
Australia and New Zealand need to look to Asia. It should have happened 20 years ago. It's the only way to boost money for the two nations.
I'm not to sure Europe can take anymore South African team's, certainly not the Pro14! Unless the Welsh teams implode which they might!
With the conferences you could rejig to fit more in.
@@RobinCafolla I'm not against the idea it's more the financial side! But as Mark say's a big chunk of Super Rugby money
comes from SA then hey money talks! Are the SA fans keen on the idea?
Pro 16 would work really well with 4 South African teams.
@@fleshen I'm not sure what the SA think. It's obviously easier to watch pro 14 games with an hour timezone difference than a super rugby with a 10 hour difference, so they might be in favour.
@@RobinCafolla
Personally as a South African I'd like the idea
Mehrts is green with envy. He suggested the Saffas play in the Middle East lol.
Hey jealously and his South African born from durban
firouza gamieldien so what. He is no more Saffa than pockock is Zimbabwean
@@firouzagamieldien5997 jealous of what?
@@Bokgat Are you a dom Boer Jealously and Envy has the same meaning.
AB’s and WB’s are the ones who will suffer. SB’s will adapt more to time zones.
Who's SB?
@@bensenzo springboks
Supper rugby got boring when they introduced the three conferences
greatleapforwards boring and unfair in the new format
What's that.
Andrew Mertens didnt think when he said SA must be cut from SR because cutting SA means cutting SRs biggest source of income. However as a SAcan I am really hoping that we leave SR for our own or a northern competition.
On the South American competition, the Argentinians are already setup for it because they have a team currently playing in the Currie Cup second division which they won this year.
South Africa will get stronger if we move to a European competition but New Zealand and Australia will get weaker if they don't play South Africa regularly
Bliksempie Moerdyk you had 2 good years in the last decade I think the boks will get weaker not playing against NZ teams tbh.
Mehrtens may be thinking of those past discussions about ZA teams playing in the one of the European leagues instead of Super Rugby (like stated, it already is the case with Cheetahs and Kings).
Less jet-lag due to minor timezone change, shorter flights and the chance learn how to deal with the wet high ball.
But miss playing New Zealand teams
God dam I need a John
Would love to see Super 12, 6 teams from AU and 6 teams from NZ :)
Financially New Zealand and Australia can't survive without SA
Never thought Id hear something along the lines of other countries being dependent on SA money, lol seems like rugby is one of the few things that financially work in SA.
@@danielcillie1856
The money SuperSport have is basically the subscribers' money.
The more they raise the installments the more they can pay for deals
Yeah NZ is a small market mate, and Union in Australia is also a pretty niche sport these days from what I hear
@@danielcillie1856 it is weird to hear for me also
Europe is destroying rugby in the South.
Names Jeff Europe has destroyed at lot of things in the south.
Good Players deserve to be paid and it’s not there fault for leaving the dogshit Rand currency lol
@@HemiJB91 unfortunately Europe cannot buy the world cup
@@HemiJB91 It's not just SA that this is affecting. NZ and AUS are also experiencing this
Hmmm not sure. In the north rugby is going same way as pro football. It’s a case of my highly paid foreigners are better than your highly paid foreigners. Good for club rugby but national team suffers. Possible bad for both hemispheres...
Cutting SA out of super rugby will kill rugby on the whole. People would stop watching. These guys need to think carefully before doing that.
SH.
NH will get more views.
nice shirt !...you lucky bastard !
It is mate, lucky bastard indeed!
The future of Super Rugby was written on the wall some years ago. Even local SA rugby has reached a plateau!
As a S.African i agree with Mehretens , i think S.America and Europe is where we should be. Good bye Super Rugby pls.
The only thing I can see going against SA doing a deal with Europe is that it will impinge on the Currie Cup. Having heard SA fans recently that would be more than most could take. I always love watching the South African sides play in Super Rugby and every year they always find a young superstar in the making. I personally think once the competition (Super Rugby) reverts back to it's original format and does away with the unfair conference points system it will become a very watchable package and rival the NRL for viewer time. Just my opinion - let's see.
What if the top four teams join champions league rugby in europe. Secondly the big franchises should then be privatized. The injection of investment into rugby in the south will allow us to keep players and pay competitive salaries. Aren't all European teams private? What do you guys think? I think sadly rugby is gona go the same way as football(soccer) Europe's money will dominate if the Southern hemisphere doesn't male big changes
Lovin the reds jursey bruh ❤❤❤❤
Beware what you wish for Australia and NZ professionalism has come back to bite them
South Africa already has started the process of pulling out. Just look at the new contracts on offer on that side of the pond. Plus it was said... Super rugby will be there to develop players!
My man, love your channel... Unfortunately one can't blame the players, SAs politics and the economy are terrible.... Dont want to be negative but someone has to mention it. Best of luck to those players.its not only the top players, there is so much young boys from school level going over.
Cheers man but yeah the same is true to a degree with Kiwis leaving for more coin as well
@@TwoCentsRugby noted, will have to c what super rugby brings next year.... Will still support. For the love of the Game💪🏉
Honestly, as a South African, I don't understand why we don't pull out of SuperRugby and join northern hemisphere. Have our franchises play in Europe and our national team then play the Rugby Championship against NZ and Aus. Talk about getting to have your cake and eat it as a Bok fan.
My only concern would be that the move would actually hurt Aus and NZ rugby considering the reliance on SA revenue streams.
That's very thoughtful of you, but that's their problem.
They looking to cut sa anyways... Good luck to them and their revenue... Let nz carry aus...duno whose going to pay rites to watch that comp as nz and aus even incl pi small numbers even combined won't add to sa watching population... If sa can get into any of the north comps they will be better off...
@@gameadadams5338 Asia Pacific region is a potential market. In 2020 there will be professional rugby teams in Hong Kong, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, as well as Perth, Fiji, Auckland and Brisbane for Global Rapid Rugby. Of course there is no guarantee that Asian countries will be interested in rugby but it makes more sense logistically to have a tournament in that area rather than flying across oceans to play teams in far away continents.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 that sounds more viable... They should that.. Develop and carry aus Asia and pacific... The strong competition will do wonders for nz rugby... Good luck that and the vierership and TV rights will rake in the make believe money... The initial yrs might be tough and nz will have to carry the load for not only Oz but the others as well who don't have their own comps yet... I say go for it! 👏👏👏Hk 15 man teams with pi teams getting hammered week in week out will do wonders for rugby over there ... I'm sure the public will love watching it in between their other major sports... Hell yeah...nz teams will really benifit playing against those strong teams...I'm sure nz public will lap up this type of competition... 😉😂
@@gameadadams5338 they will load the teams with Kiwis and Fijians, and also Europeans and South Africans. It will do wonders for the Pacific Islands teams. They will also have coaches from New Zealand. You laugh now but Scotland, Ireland and South Africa weren't laughing after being beaten by Japan in the world cup.
The alternative is for New Zealand teams to just play eachother.
If nz rugby was really smart they would look at a new competition with South Africa based on the s12 model... At high school level or varsity uni level there is huge market potential at the Same time great for rugby for both nations as well as huge interest...marketed correctly could be a really awesome competition... The breeding grounds for both future stars as well as their long histories of said schools is a great draw card...
I agree. One simple reason, the Euro is much stronger than the NZ and AU dollar, not to mention the SA Rand. And whether we like it or not the time zone difference has ALWAYS left South Africa at a disadvantage. And for South African supporters, they get to see their heroes playing in a relevant tournament including those playing overseas. It would also have the effect of lifting European rugby to the next level because the tournaments are more competitive. Having the Cheetahs and Kings play in a European tournament has been good (for the Cheetahs at least). I personally can't wait to see South Africa exit the ANZAC setup and join a European competition. SANZAR have been poor in managing and developing Super Rugby. Each time they "tweak" or "rejig" or "change" it, it has been worse off. And the reason for this has been that, instead of trying to promote the game, Sanzar have been trying to maximize Advertising revenue. I really despise the conference system and miss the "good ol' days" of every team playing one another. Mehrtens has a very valid point... Super Rugby is no longer fun to watch and should fade away.
There just simply isn’t enough money in Super Rugby clubs/teams...that’s why everyone is moving to Europe
I think SA should go to the Northern Hemisphere and an entire new competition between Aus, NZ, Pacific Countries and the Asian market should be introduced. Question: If Super Rugby dies then what happens to the Rugby Championship?
Wayne Shilcock rugby championship will always be there. Super rugby doesn’t effect that.
@@HemiJB91 Ok, cheers for that :) Just wondered because all the same nations are in Super rugby.
What...Beauden Barrett is’nt an impact player for the Blues next season as Radradra is for Bristol
True enough man, although the rest of the Blues signings are less impressive. Plus Beaudy is only there for half the season 😅
Whatcha gonna do without Saffa land in Super Rugby? NZ and Oz play each other 20 times, play Arg 10 times and bring Japan (which at club lever is NOWHERE near standard)!? Besides, do you want to loose all that $'s SA bring to the table!? Lol 😂😂😂 I don't think so...!!!
Here is the big problem for me with super rugby. The extended comp was mainly to help Australia teams that don't have a provincial comp like New Zealand (old NPC) and South Africa (Currie Cup). As I understand it, Australia only have club competition outside of super rugby. They had a problem that after super rugby concluded just before the rugby championship they had no regional or provincial comp to keep their international players playing at a high level till the end of year international season. The extended super rugby season has made the currie cup a watered down comp which use to be very strong. The top players are playing super rugby and don't play the whole currie cup season which have hurt the interest in the Currie Cup. I think super rugby should take the same format as the Heineken Cup in Europe so the best players can still play in the currie cup/NPC. Australia should maybe join the New Zealand NPC comp or start a league with Japan. That way the local comps will stay strong and teams can still play in a much shorter super rugby season. The European system make much more sense than what we currently have in the south.
Australia now has the ARC, the national domestic league, roughly organised along state lines. Fiji also have a team in this league, I think it’s called the Fiji Dura.
@@rugbyfanz6208 That is very good news, there is no more reason to keep persisting with this drawn out super rugby comp and our local comps can return to being proper comps like they use to be and like they still have in Europe. I see it's called the NRC.
I hope SANZAR will change the super rugby format to something more sensible like the Europeans have with the Heineken cup.
The franchise system also makes very little sense. At the moment you can't even support your own countries teams when they play against teams from other nations because if your local teams win it influence your favorite teams chances of making the playoffs. It is a very strange format that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Is league or union bigger in New Zealand and ausrilla
Union in NZ, League in Australia
League is growing rapidly in NZ and Tonga but if you look at it overall in the Australasian region League is the bigger sport by far. Tonga has literally become a League island in a short period with mass code switches happenning according to Siale Piutau. A lot of talented young NZ rugby players are also opting to play league rather than union because of the lure of the NRL which is highly regarded in NZ more than any other rugby union comp outside of super rugby and rugby championship. So the day frontline all blacks stop playing super rugby that would be the end. More young players would shift to league because of the exposure of league stars they'll get coming into the country to play NRL games as well as the favorable timezones.
Tinashe Elias thanks for that Will league every be number one in New Zealand do u think
@@mickfarrell6458 Probably not in our lifetime or maybe when we are very old. But looking at some of the stats out there it doesnt look good for rugby in the future compared to league. Asians are the fastest growing demographic in NZ but their preference of sport is a bit of a mix. Then you have Maori and Pacifika populations that are also growing rapidly and thats where you have league spreading like wildfire in those communities. Rugbys ratings are also falling rapidly among millennials and gen z so pretty soon you might have a situation where rugby union is more for old folks and league for the young and vibrant generations. Also league is arguably the bigger of the 2 games in Auckland a city of 1.6 million which is a massive chunk of the population of NZ. The NZ warriors of the NRL have a bigger following in NZ than each of the 5 NZ Super Rugby franchises and the moment they reach their potential and start winning premierships that will be even more bad news for rugby.
The bottom line is that Super Rugbys crisis should not be seen only as NZs problem or SAs problem this needs to be seen as World Rugbys problem. Without a great Super Rugby you are only allowing Rugby League to take over the pacific a region that has won 5 world cups and has 5 countries within tier 1 and 2 rugby. The future Beauden Barretts will not be running out for Crusaders or Saracens but would instead aspire to play for the Rabbitohs, Warriors or the Storm. In fact thats already happening because there is already up to 4-6 kiwi leagueys that the All Blacks would die for one of which Jason Taumalolo NZ Rugby had an unsuccessful bid 2 years ago to sign him to switch.
@@mickfarrell6458 Heres and article from a few days ago fijisun.com.fj/2019/11/20/sir-michael-jones-wary-of-rugby-league-threat/
It all started here. 4 years later we’re in a crisis.
1. South African teams won't just come to Europe, The English and French leagues simply won't let them in. They will have to apply to join the Pro 14.
2. Isn't the name Super League in relation to Rugby Copyrighted by English Rugby League and Sky TV?
The full name of the competition will be Super Liga Sudamericana de Rugby, so.
Pro 14 will be happy to accept 2 Super Rugby teams, just not another Kings level team.
If we are to compete with fifa, and come on please admit there is a battle of the codes, we need to allow for a more seamless transition between tier two to tier one’s which they do so well in the epl. Let’s see japan set a few precedents and inspire Spain who are right up there - for example and one of few!
They should go back to the super 12 or super 10 round robin when rugby was great to watch. The conference setup is a joke.
John..why are you giving my stuff away man :P
When i see Rugby news video, i always think ok what has Folau done now 😂
More like what have they DONE to Folau now ...
@@smoovegaming7340 i agree it seems to me like a smear campaign anything the man says is a problem
New Zealand should just go it alone with an extended premiership. If you wanna make money then piss off overseas lol
Everyone will go,but frankly past the point of caring.It is what it is.
As a South African this is outrageous!! Why we must be kicked from SR
Why should we want to stay? All we are doing in SR is funding NZ and Aus development, while our players are getting hammered by travel. To use the same example I always use.. by the end of last season, PSDT had played 24 games, started 23 of them. He had played in NZ (two tours), Australia (two tours), Argentina (two tours), Hong Kong, USA, England, Scotland, France, Wales and back to England. Long story short, in 10 months, he had travelled around the world twice and played a high class game of rugby on average every 10 days. This is not good for SA rugby at all and our players are going to get burned out quickly. No wonder the overseas players looked so good when they came back into the side.
@@Karma-qt4ji yeah,so noble of you to prop us up.You are right,you should head north,and join your buddies in the UK and France.
@@richardscanlan3419 Throw whatever little mini tantrums you want, buddy, but there are two facts that you cannot avoid. One is that SA Rugby adds the most funds to the central SANZAAR coffers and two is that even Steve Hansen was warning of the perils of too much travel when the AB's arrived in Europe at the end of 2018.
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/103908905/mark-reason-south-africa-move-to-europe-would-bankrupt-new-zealand-rugby
www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/10/all-blacks-coach-steve-hansen-calls-for-four-month-off-season-to-reduce-player-fatigue.html
Two New Zealand articles who back my argument, albeit from another angle. By the way, it's a pleasure, but I think you now need to go and find another cash cow.
@@Karma-qt4ji whose arguing the point.If you want to go north,go,but don't bleat about it.
@@richardscanlan3419 Who is bleating? I was merely pointing out the other side of the argument to the OP when you decided to get involved with your sarcastic comments...
Asia they mean Japan? Which other rugby nation is there besides Japan?
Hong Kong and Singapore each have a professional team make up of expats and Pacific Islanders.
If they dump the SA teams out of Super Rugby, they should re-admit the Force, re-franchise the Sunwolves and look either for a team from the Islands (Suva Cyclones anyone?) or another Asian franchise out of Singapore or Hong Kong.
Well this aged well.
SA should play in Europe and Japan should replace them down south
Japan wants its own professional league.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 and if it gets it up and running,it will pillage NZ's playing stocks.The Japanese have basically said as much.
Mate how much did you spend on purchasing all those jerseys & caps!?
You must be a millionaire afrikaner in NZ
Haha I get them on special mate - never pay full price!
Let nz and aus play each other. We will play the others.
Merhts has always hated his country of birth smh supposed to be a good player (I dont think he'd last today) but his attitude has always stunk!
Anyways, I don't think it would be a bad thing for SA to leave to Europe. Would kill the game in Aus though losing all the funds :/
I reckon return super rugby to 12/13 teams. Merhtens doesn't take finances into account and he's a severely cynical person. The 5 New Zealand sides, 4 from SA and 3 from Oz.
Wish we could go back to the glory days of old NPC. But financially impossible it will force NZ to let there players play overseas and still be eligible for the Allblacks
Agreed.But that is what may happen eventually,anyway.
Super rugby just needs to pay players more
Yeah it's just a matter of generating that income
Separating the two biggest Giants not a good thing
Super rugby has become shit because of the shit conference system. Bring back the super 12 or 14 format and keep the wildcard system. Or fuck it you know what we will join the European comps more money in it anyway. We'll see what happens to NZ and Aus rugby if this happens.
All Black Rugby is going to die with all he shit going on in Rugby
Bristol won't get up there with Lamb at the helm Lol X blues coach
Super rugby is honestly dead no1 turns up to games etc etc they just need to remake the comps six nations is pumping atm while the rugby championship is dieing they need to pull them into 1 cup or watch the sport crumble.
Pat Lam is using every opportunity 2 build a pacific super rugby team, which Australia & Nz blocking
news to me.But why should a PI team be allowed in SR? We don't owe them anything.
surely the next cut of super rugby will be a new zealand team everyone else aus + SA have lost teams a pacific nations side instead of the chiefs etc playing the occassional match there. Disagree with more SA teams in Europe need a georgian or roumanian team if pro 14 is to expand.
Why not revamp the rugby championship each side to play 2 3 match test series each year one at home and one away one with most points win the championship say in year one NZ play 3 home tests v SA + 3 AWAY IN aus year 2 3 home v AUS + 3 AWAY IN ARG YEAR 3 3 HOME V ARG 3 AWAY IN SA.THE BIGGEST TROUBLE WITH SANZAR RUGBY YOU ARE SEEING THE SAME PLAYERS WEEK IN WEEK OUT. at the moment no all black team has the opportunity to play a series against another sothern hem team
Why should the pacific islands get a team ? What you really mean is a team made up of players poached out of NZ.
@@richardscanlan3419 oh instead of the other way round!!! How many islanders are playing in super rugby at the moment?
@@kenrogers1994 see,this is the problem I have with dickheads like you.
The majority are NZers,you fucking mong.2nd,and in some cases 3rd generation kiwis.
It is ike willis Halohalo making himself for Wales.Yes,he has island ancestry,but he was born in NZ,so he is a kiwi.It is really not that difficult to work out.
^ 1st,
At least one team should remain in s-rugby. Keep that connection with SANZAAR
I wish the blues will make big sighing umm the sighed b.barret
Haha yeah that one doesn't feel that real yet given he's only doing half a season
Rugby is history buy.
great no problem .......please SA leave a competition that has always be loaded to suit Aussies and All Blacks and lets take our money with us , Mertens you muppet , SA please leave !!!! We as Saffers are begging to leave and stop funding development in Aus and All blacks - cheers see you later
If you want to go,go.And if that means the game in NZ dies,so be it.I have had a gutsful of NZ having to bend its knee to you saffers over every issue.
Our player base is pillaged by most rugby nations ( excl, ARG/SA),and our best coaches are propping up teams all around the world,and,due to a paucity of choices,we are probably going to end up with Foster as AB coach.
Frankly,I am getting to the stage where I almost don't want the AB's playing.What's the point,a B grade team getting smashed by all and sundry.
So,don't worry,saffer,NZ are a spent force.They won't be winning anything for a long time to come.
@@richardscanlan3419 Some very good points raised and a very honest response Sir .Not sure AB rugby will ever be a spent force way to much pride or MANA if I am using the word correctly . Not sure that AB's have ever had to bend a knee at the door of SA Rugby
@@182Warren thanks for the kind response.Sadly,I think you will find NZ will be a spent force,for now.Why? 2 reasons,firstly,it looks like we are about to be saddled with Foster,NZ fortunes are going south,the guy is an idiot.And secondly,a paucity of quality players,mostly in the forwards.So,even with the right coach ( Robertson?),we will still struggle.
I really hope I am wrong on ths,but I have a bad feeling I will be proven right.
😂 Leinster who? Munster baby!!
just don't kick the sunwolves and get the money from Japan, Yen > Rand
cutting SA out of super rugby means South Africa will become a T 2 rugby country
Does that mean nz starting a comp with Japan and pacific Islands will drop to a t3 nation lol...
@@gameadadams5338 only the super rugby and pro 14 is where T1 countries are competing the other competitions are seem as not highly competative
@@morrie1607 you making my point for me... Sa already has 2 teams competing in Europe with the other t1 nations... Sa leaving would not drop their rugby to t2 rather that's more likely with nz teams only having a comp with weaker aus teams cos they are weaker than sa teams and pi and Japan teams will lower the comprtiveness to t2... Imho
No.The way things are going,it will be us - NZ - who end up T2.