The Proud Family's White Guilt Problem ❄️❄️❄️
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- My reaction to The Proud Family Louder and Prouder having tropes like white guilt and white privilege in regards to their colorism and slave owner episodes. Let's discuss this down below. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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What do yall hope they do for Zoey's story line in the new season coming out soon ? 👀
That her, KG, Micheal and Penny leaves the other 3 by themselves. AND yes the nerdy black boy can join them(Penny and the rest) too!
If the original series didn't have a single positive episode that focused on Zoey, I highly doubt that this reboot will do that either. The only episode that somewhat focused on Zoey was "Penny Potter" when Suga Mama's sister, Spice, tricks Zoey into thinking that she is special. The main purpose of that episode was regarding Suga Mama and Spice. Future reboot episodes will continue to have Zoey in the background or her using her "magic White privilege" to help her so-called friends.
Zoey begins her glow-up. And starts rethinking who her friends are in light of how they treated her the last couple seasons.
Write her out
@@digimonalvatrax2738 I honestly wouldn't want Michael as a friend based on his actions in this episode. It's cool that Michael is queer and into guys, but he also got mad at Zoey because Noah was into her. I highly doubt that Disney/Proud Family is ready to have two queer youth in a show (especially dating), so Noah would never ask him out to begin with. Michael in this episode makes it seem like he will get mad at the girl if she is asked out instead of him.
"All Zoey did was exist". AMEN.
Geez, that's brutal
Hell nah, she claimed white fragility, white privilege and remained silent in their song of building a country. She's ridiculous.
I felt that in my soul tbh
She is also very orange haired
So I assume she was doing SOMETHING in her spare time
@@millo7295 The heck does that even mean?
I thought it would be that he was into tall girls but no they really made an insecure girl feel worse about herself it looked more like bullying than anything
I bet they were in the writer's room thinking they struck gold with that episode 😳
Not to mention she was was being fetished by her race which is never okay. Girls need protection for that, not being shamed to be target of it!
@@TonyTurner I suppose that's the harm of not having a different opinion in the room or at the very least not acknowledging it by many who thought this looked good
Who needs enemies when you have friends like that...
@@TonyTurnerInteresting fact: According to a Slashfilm interview, Ralph Farquhar apparently pitched this episode and it was the only pitch that "got uncomfortable laughs", and it was "so uncomfortable" that they moved it from being a season 1 episode to season 2 during production.
Zoey feels like a whipping girl. She's constantly body-shamed and put down for no reason, despite being the only one of Penny's friends who isn't toxic or selfish.
Admittedly she has moments were she ditches Penny but yeah
She's certainly not perfect, but my count, she's at least better than Penny's other friends!
I feel like everyone in this show is the whipping character. I think the only people who don't get dragged through the muck is Sunset, Papi, Trudy and the twins, and of course the non-recurring or non-regular characters.
@@oliviacooper2702 Yeah, she's more of the follower type. I've noticed that a lot of the "follow the leader" type characters like Zoey are mostly always the butt of a joke.
@@oliviacooper2702penny is toxic too tho, all these girls suck stingy was the only cool one in the group and he’s gone.
So the dude isn’t allowed to have a preference to begin with?
They literally ARE jealous that she got asked out. It’s not her fault someone has a preference and she fit that preference. Classic getting mad at the girl instead of the man (even though they shouldn’t even be mad at him either!)
Well I mean, there’s a difference between preference and a fetish. Dating a girl cus you think her glasses are cute? A bit petty, but it’s a preference. Dating a girl cus of her race? Fetish.
Yeah, things like this have always annoyed me. While I get the point they were (very poorly) attempting to make, there’s also the fact that people have preferences. What if he didn’t like white girls, but Asian girls instead? What if he only liked girls taller than him? Girls with freckles, are shorter than him, or have a deep voice… these are all just preferences. It’s only bad if it goes beyond who he’s willing to date. If at some point she wanted to hang out with Penny and the gang but he stopped her “just ‘cause” (actually because of their color) then that would go into actual racism. Refusing to even associate with people who don’t have his preferred traits is a problem, not dating those people is a choice. I wish they actually had a scene that established that, instead of just having Zoey confirm something that ultimately didn’t mean anything. (After all, none of them were actually single anyways.)
I feel like the idea that he only dates white girls doesn't dismiss the fact he chose Zoey specifically. There's plenty of white girls in the school who would be seen as more conventionally attractive (not that she's even actually unattractive, just that the show itself seems to have a bias against lanky girls or features the creators see as nerdy). He didn't go to those other white girls in the school who likely could also have. He went to Zoey. Meaning there had to be something about her that made him target her specifically.
Honestly they could have had that guy be the episodes villain and have him pick out Zoey because she would be "easy" given a nerdy girl like her is desperate to get attention from a guy like him
I agree with that point too since if this is what the episode is based on that should have been explained
I was thinking the same thing, like to them, they were the ones who were only seeing race, if he had chosen any one of them, they wouldn't have cared as much, but because it was zoey, they had a problem
If I remember right, he said that he wanted to have a normal high school experience or something like that. Zoe was the only girl in the cafeteria who ignored him and didn't squeal or throw herself at him. That could have been a perfectly good reason for him to be attracted to her. He saw someone who didn't just want to get with a celebrity.
@@CalliopePony that does make sense
I hate those 2 episodes, ESPECIALLY the “colorism” episode…Zoey did NOTHING wrong, she was just simply existing, and just so happened to have a popular guy be attracted to her. I believe the writers should’ve had Noah say colorist things to show he was colorist. But to literally have the girls sit there, and call him colorist for simply being attracted to that one “goofy white friend” of the group doesn’t right well with me at all…
Exactly. They could have made him look at the darker girls with disgust or say something about how light skin is better. Without any of that it just looked like Zoey's friends were jealous and wanted to shut that crap down. In the show all we have to go off of is literal rumors "i heard he only likes white girls" is not a substantial amount of evidence to justify the girls behavior, even if there were evidence, why demonize Zoey??
Then to make things worse, when the nerdy poc boy comes in to dance with Zoey, all of a sudden nobody accused him of only liking white girls. It rubbed me the wrong way, especially since all the girls were attracted to the boy that they said only likes white girls
Just came off as a jealous girl group shutting down their friends dance date bc of a rumor
@@oceancoral557 THANK YOU!! That’s exactly what that whole “episode” was about. The girls being catty, and jealous for no reason, other than to “humble” Zoey. Literally making her feel bad for something that is completely out of her control. I’m not even gonna talk about Penny and Dijonay, because it’ll just upset me even more. It’s just disappointing how the writers took an important topic and completely fumbled it
Agreed. I really hate how they had to pick the less popular and conventionally white girl to pick on. It’s gross.
@chickensalad3535 Yeah. "Ohh... but black ppl can't be racist"... Um yes they can! If you discriminate against someone who is black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc that is racism. Period. Plus you can't change the color of the you were born with
It really is amazing how 2 of Zoey's friends have boyfriends and yet fixate on a boy liking her.
If the genders were reserved Penny and L would be in a lot of trouble if they were guys.
I would have been happy if the guy was zoey's permanent boyfriend who liked geeky girls and that rumor he only liked white girls was started by a bitter ex to spite him.
And had it ended with when the boyfriends spills the beans of that rumor, (maybe also exposing that ex for how spiteful they are) Zoey's friends were left with no words and now were the ones Expected to apologize to her, while she and the boy go on a hangout together.
And could add that maybe it isn't exactly that he into nerdy girls, but that he wanted to be with someone who isn't inmediately fawning over him, either for being conventionally attrctive or for being the popular kid.
@@rsj2877 that too.
@@rsj2877 I would have loved this. Good moral about not believing rumors with no substance.
@@rsj2877 I like that!
The colorism episode was so genuenly vague that you can argue that Noah wasnt colorist, he just had a type.
There were many conventionally attractive white girls in the school, like the one he gets with at the end, but he ignored them and qent for Zoey especifically despite her being considered unattractive. Why? Because her skin wasnt the reason he chose her, he saw her as someone that didnt care for his celebrity status, someone who wouldnt hesitate to be honest with him. Thats what hes true type is. You can also argue that the only reason he moved on so quickly was to save face, since he was alone at the dance.
Even if Noah was into black girls, he still wouldnt pick aany of them because they all threw themselves at him the moment he walked into the school. Hell, two of them have boyfriends already, why would Noah want someone who doesnt hesitate in cheating the moment someone with better status shows up?
Honestly you’re so right
What sucks the most for me personally being white is that I'm also Jewish. I never had ancestors that owned slaves, but I get lumped in with the majority because of the color of my skin. I lost over half my family to Nazis during WWII and it's hard to think about sometimes. I remember being in school and going to a Holocaust Museum where my peers just laughed at some of the Jewish heritage items that were there. I've been bullied relentlessly for being Jewish, but I still have to suffer the whole thing with, "Well you're white so it's obvious your family must have owned slaves at one point." My people were massacred, experimented on, turned into slaves, cremated in ovens (which I was made fun of for as well), and to this day still have to suffer from the likes of Holocaust deniers, antisemitism, and all kinds of other hate. Are we a perfect people? No. But no one is.
It makes topics like this so difficult because I don't feel like I'm even allowed to talk about it due of backlash I could get for daring to speak my mind. I'm not trying to downplay what blacks and other races go through, but I am trying to explain that you cannot judge every white person for the fact that they're white. I don't like the Proud Family or its reboot (they just aren't my cups of tea), but I would love to see an episode that explores Jewish hate and the pain we share with others. Also an episode that's about unifying together from shared pain between different races rather than just going and focusing only on one and demonizing another just because some of their ancestors made horrible choices.
Just overall equality would be beautiful.
I agree with you. My grandpa on my mom's side came from Polish immigrants, and my Nonna on my dad's side came form Italian immigrants. Also, my grandma on my mom's side lived in New Castle, Pennsylvania (a small area near Pittsburgh) and her family were hard works with a family of kids. Her grandpa was also growing up poor and raised chickens. Nobody owned slaves in my family, I wish people wouldn't assume that all white people were slave owners. Also, the white people in today's world don't have anything to do with the choices their ancestors made.
I'm in a very similar boat to you. My grandparents on my mother's side were Hungarian Jews and lost everyone to the Holocaust, then fled to Canada to escape Soviet occupation. While I fortunately haven't experienced too much antisemitism, my mother has, and to this day remains very closed off about her heritage. On my father's side, my family comes from the island of Barbados. My grandfather and grandmother were poor and came to Canada because some of their family successfully immigrated. They had to work hard to get to a comfortable position of living where they could raise kids happy and healthy. As for myself, I have autism (formerly asperger's syndrome), so I have lost many opportunities that most people would take readily because I know I could not handle the pressure. At my current job, I actually had to fight for the right to take less money for less work. Just because my family and I are white doesn't mean that we don't have our own hardships, or that we are inherently racist, etc. Every person is an individual and has an individual story, with highs and lows, loss and love. We should be trying to build bridges with these shared emotions rather than building walls because of hate and prejudice.
Im not trying to disrespect all you’ve went through or your struggles at all but personally I wouldn’t consider Jews white all Jews are descendants of the 12 tribes of Judah which was in the Middle East I think Jews are just white passing and this is not saying that white people don’t go through or went through oppression discrimination or racism at all I would never disrespect what people went through
Pro Palestinians are rolling on the ground
as a black person I'm sorry people treated u like that just because you were Jewish and white Jewish people been through so much discrimination just as black people have
The writers have a very surface level understanding of race-relations and colorism.
Come back to me when your pple are colonized
Especially since white people aren't some amorphous blob with superpowers and the ability to make everyone bend to their will. The Irish were the punching bags of America for decades, yet no-one has to feel potato guilt towards them. I mean according to this show, all white people are the same somehow and have the exact same amount of guilt they should feel at all times, even if they're refugees or homeless.
Honestly feels like the writers have never met a white person before.
My main problem with the slavery episode, other then how they treated Barry, is that they live in California. A state that had no slaves, in fact, judges ruled in favor of freeing slaves more when people brought them to the state and the slave sued for freedom. How can a city in slave free state be founded on slave plantation?
Edit:It has been drawn to my attention and through more research, there were slave owners keeping their slaves in the mountain area of the state during the civil war. I am sorry for an possible misunderstanding that could have happened through this.
But even with this information, it does not make the episode better for how they treat it and pushing the idea of white guilt and privilege.
hey that's a good point ,I didn't even take the state into acount. i KIND of forgot what state they even lived in and have avoided this cruddy reboot they made.
But your right this makes literaly no since that a slave owner would have founded a town in a slave free state.
I don't think claiming California didn't have any slave is historically accurate. When Californian was still under Spanish rule, some Natives were slaves of Spaniards.
@@BroJo676 I was speaking of the time they were bringing up, the mid 1800, after they ceoded from Mexico.. If we include all human history, then I'm sure natives could have had slaves too.
@@BroJo676 Well if you want to get technical then technicaly native americans in historyt have actualy wared against each other, genecided each other, and enslaved each other. some even commited casnablism which not only can they confirm but hey literaly have folk lores about that soer of evil and it predates europeans showing up.
But I think the point here is. Black slave plantations weren't in California. And NATIVe Americans don't count as Black. infact their were native tribes guilty of taking Blacks as slaves too. and even whites as slaves. Slavery isn't all that black and white when it comes to race. you know.
The africans even captured each other and enslaved each other. and that's how the Atlantic slave trade actualy got it's slaves, because Africa is full of diseases that would have killed europeans. and the kind of guns they had back then would not have been all that useful againstafrican wild life since you have take time to load a barrle with powder. Guns were a lot more complicated and convoluted back then.
Hell literally I think the most fastest country that banned slavery which slavery happened every where and all colors did it hell there were black owners that were rich that were by white owners who had slaves even would be watcher to see if any slaves be out of line but anyways the country is called maurtina 2007 was when goverment was pressured by its own people get it where slav owners get prosecuted but in 1981 was when it abolished slavery yet slave owners wouldn't be charged until liek I said 2007
Plot twist: noah was into zoe because she wasn't up in his face, like every other girl
that would have been so much better
Def more appropriate for a children's cartoon, honestly this show crosses a line where it isn't even humor and is just straight racism and shouldn't even be in an adult animation
To quote Tobias from the Boondocks. “You know what I’m sick of. You two blaming the white man for everything. The white man this, the white man that. You’ll never get anywhere with that attitude.”
Ironic coming from a collaborator who tried to stop a slave uprising
@@EmptyMan000 At least Boondocks Seasons 1, 2 and 3 were better written than Louder and Prouder.
Discrimination is allways bad. White People can be victims too and Black People can be the perpetrator.
Yes you are right discrimination is terrible but what is terrible what is going on in the black community because there is crimes that go on in the black community that no one wants to talk about it when it's about BLM they always want to focus on the white privilege
People forget racism doesn't care about what race people are, just that there is hate for them
As a black man I agree with you white people can be victims also of depression yes black people can be predators because not everyone in the black community are saints that is true that why people can benefit from White privilege it doesn't mean that white people don't have any issues or any victimization because all black people think about is being a victim of society but they will not focus what's going on in the black community there are also predators in the black community that are doing arm to the community 19:21
We kno white people are always victims
@@wyntahb3968 yeah and you guys always are sure
A great uncle isn't far enough back for someone to have owned slaves. That guy looks about 40- 50, A great uncle would have been a WWII generation. You'd have to go back about 2 more generations for someone to have owned slaves.
Great Great Great Great uncle
So at that point someone so far removed from your direct family line that they are barely related to you and mean nothing to your current family.
And if you KNEW your great, great, great, great uncle was wealthy enough to have had a town named after him, wouldn't you expect he might have owned some slaves if that was legal in the state?
@@marthademovimaus5140 this
@@marthademovimaus5140Legit!
I haven't seen the episode, but I don't believe that Zoey should've apologized.
I mean, what was the full apology?
"I'm sorry for not knowing that the new guy only dates white girls."
I know that I've said this before, but if the rumor said that he only dates Asians, the girls would automatically hate the Chang triplets more than they hated Zoey.
Yes, it started with Maya saying "I heard he's into white girls." The keyword/phrase here is "I heard", this whole blind hatred started over a rumor. The OG series already made an episode about why it's bad to spread rumors.
To woke people, logic goes out the window
@@tonemaster4608 The word "woke" is overused, and mostly used against people who want human rights (nothing is wrong with progressiveness and things being inclusive, our society would have never advanced if we never changed lol) . I'm pretty sure the creators aren't "woke" since their way of thinking is super closeminded
@@Iwantakrabbypatty The word "woke" isn't meant to be referring to people who are simply trying to be progressive, it's specifically referring to tone-deaf virtue-signalers who only add to the problems they claim to stand against. Technically speaking, these writers definitely count as "woke" for the simple fact that they think they're doing something progressive when they're doing the exact opposite. I agree that it's overused, but just because people started misapplying the word to progressiveness as a whole doesn't mean that's its actual definition now.
@@tonemaster4608 "wOkE" Jesus, you've got no brain.
@@EagleTimberWolfYup. That’s how I define “wokeness”. Nothing wrong with diversity at all. All I want is well written characters. I love the original Proud Family. I have never seen the reboot and the things I have heard about it make me not want to watch it.
They could've tackled the colorist-racist-fetishist problem without implying that Zoey was ugly in the subtext
As a white person, white guilt is feeling bad for something you didn't do. And potentially your ancestors didn't even do. But it was bad. And there's apparently nothing you can do to fix the fact that people who looked like you 150 years ago were unethical assholes. And because they were bad people, the world is unfair and wealth and opportunity were unevenly distributed.
So I'm going to handle the Juneteenth episode first since I think it ties better into the history question. Maya's father is, in part, being held guilty for the sins of, not his direct ancestors, but a "great uncle." (And just to be clear, I'm about the same age as her dad now, and a great uncle is, generation-wise, equivalent to grandfather. My grandparents were born in the 1930s. The ones who were alive and adults during the Civil War? That would make them my great-great-great-great-great uncle. It's been about 7 generations for me since that time. But apparently, that's not long enough. Nor is that being depicted fairly.
(BTW, if it matters to you, my family was in the North. I have union soldiers in my background, and while it's a slim possibility that my ancestors owned slaves, none of the records I've seen indicate my mother's side had slaves. My father's side was in Canada, and the records are a little confusing (as in I do not know if my ancestor owned slaves or was a slave) confusing.) I'd really need to hire a professional to untangle that knot of 1820s French documents.)
Anyway, Maya's white father got confronted with information he clearly didn't know about because no one knew about it.. So of course he didn't believe it. And his first reaction was to deny it. He doesn't want to think about his family that way. And if it's true, what hadn't he heard about it? I think those are pretty normal reactions as a human being. I do think he should have taken the time to read the diary. That was his mistake. He didn't even consider the evidence in his kneejerk response to something he didn't want to be true. And the show doesn't really give him time to process things.
In regards to the statue, I think more information is needed. "He was a slave owner" doesn't really tell us much on its face. The statue wasn't for him being a slave owner (unlike the one on the docks in the UK. That statue celebrating a guy for buying and selling slaves, was a real WTF and definitely needed to come down). Did he found the town while keeping secret from his slaves that they were actually free, as some tried to do that attempted to bring slavery to California? Did he change his mind and free people? Because it's not his fault if he inherited slaves and was born into the system and then had to figure out that it was wrong after being raised with propaganda that it was right, and then decide to free people.
So yeah. A lot matters about WHY the statue was made, and what he actually did about the slaves he owned.
There's also the fact that the diary was probably a forgery because of its historical inaccuracy. And that's a huge problem for the episode. (The Proud Family episode about racism decides to ignore the fact that in the 1820s, when "smith" founded the town, it was mainly a land of Latinos from Spain and Native American tribes. America didn't start exporting slaves and slave owners to California until 1848, after it acquired the territory from Mexico. But you know, Latinos and Native Americans don't really count for anything in race stories ::sarcasm::
So the whole "Christian is a slave owner" thing was clearly a plot by the development team to try to say something about slavery, because they badly botched the history, in universe, it actually seriously looks more like a smear campaign against the town's founder than uncovering a horrible truth. A story where mob rule "corrects" the historical record to the wrong conclusion. Which is unfortunate , because there are plenty of true stories and facts they could have used instead to tell a story of slavery that we don't talk about much since California was so far west. This is a case of should have done the research.
Anyway, statues. What the statue is meant to commemorate, and the entire history of the person in question is important.
On to geek girl Zoey.
So we've got a white nerdy girl who pulls in a hot guy, and her friends tell her she only got the guy because she's white.
As a former nerdy white girl, that sucks and her friends are just being mean to her. Other white girls exist in the world (he ends up with one of them at the end). So implying that your ugly nerdy friend should never get the guy because she's an ugly nerd makes you a crappy person. He had his pick of the world, and he chose her, for some reason.
When the end comes around and she apologizes to them, and then they walk off with their boys while she is stuck alone in the corner and worthy only of the ugly nerdy boy trying to talk her up, which she doesn't seem thrilled with, that's just mean. Poor girl already learned the guy only liked her for her skin (which, I have to say, is very weird. I know many people who have racial preferences, but usually that's just for physicality, and who you dates is based on their actual personality, otherwise you're just a crappy person using other people as dildos.) When your gal pal learns that the guy she was with was only dating her for her body, usually you console her and tell her what a jerk he was, and get her ice cream. But Zoey got abandoned by her girls.
these same girls who were drooling after the light skinned guy rather than their darker skinned boyfriends.
Yeah, this episode is not sending the message it thinks it is. It put its own higher value on lighter skin. But it's okay because the girls doing it are black, I guess?
I don't get mixed up in that kind of thinking too much since it's not a white person ethical issue to decide if it's okay or not for black people to like lighter skinned black people better. But it does seem kind of hypocritical.
But anyway, Zoey returns to her position as lowest girl on the totem pole. And that makes everyone else feel better and justified that a cute guy could never really like her. And so she has to apologize for someone else's sexual preferences because she's white. Go Zoey.
plus the boy isnt even wrong either, like zoey. He doesnt hate other black people, hes allowed to have a preference. Penny and her friends are just ghetto tbh there was nothing wrong with what zoey or noah did. If he said he didnt like black girls/people in general, that would have been different. ugh.
All the colorism episode told me was " know your place. Stay in your lane, keep to *your kind* (not just skin) and if not, you're the worst kind of person." Zoe apologizing is just so wrong. She did nothing wrong, and her taking responsibility for someone else's actions is so terrible and perpetuates a VERY bad habit of girls having to take responsibility for boys and what they do(thats a whole other ball of wax). He didn't get upfront heat for anything. He didn't get ridiculed or get shamed by his friends, day in and day out- he just moved on, got a different date and continued living his best life. Meanwhile, Zoe was body shamed, made to feel she committed some crime for accepting the attention of someone else, as if her actions alone are to blame.
Is feels like the beginning of a much scarily similar scenario girls deal with; the baby version of "If you didn't want x's attention, why did you dress that way? Why did you look/talk to them if you didn't want x to happen to you?"
It doesn't matter her "friends" apologized; they wouldn't have if she didn't do it first (unjustly) and their admittance of their wrong doing is so short it's like an afterthought. Basically a hand wave. If my friends did this to me, I would have left them for good. In fact. I did. (part of a mixed group, I'm multiracial and we had a girl in our native longhouse who acted this way. drawing lines between people based on our skin tone. She was terrible and hateful, everyone started to avoid her.)
Those are **not** friends, Zoe needs to move on and find people who don't stick her in a box they labeled for her. Because the GUILT lumped onto her for just existing is something that screws with peoples minds as they get older. Zoe's actions in this episode seem to look like she's meant to be going down a dark path of internalized self hatred in order to be accepted by her friends. It reminds of the guilt lumped onto religious kids who are taught from an early age they are sinful creatures, (especially girls) and they're innate (racism) sinfulness is something they must constantly watch out for, and apologize for, and whip themselves mentally for. As if it's part of who they are as humans beings no matter who they become or what they do, they will never ' be clean' (not racist).
This episode basically, killed the show for me. Because at the end of the day I feel the episode didn't do enough to show this kind of thinking is WRONG. We don't get to absorb the moment of resolution long enough and yah.. that ending. the episode unfortunately frames this whole thing as if this is the **right way** to handle this situation. Teens are flawed, and this is a flawed way of thinking, and there's' nothing wrong with having an episode showing that--- but the emphasis on Zoe's ostracization lingers FAR too long and makes her "friends" look like the justified party and them treating Zoe this way is **correct**.
And **thats** my biggest worry/issue with the topic/episode over all.
But thanks for reviewing the show all the same, you're stronger than me to revisit these episodes.
It's funny.
Black people pushed to dismantle white only schools, yet then did a 180° and made black only schools. "You can't exclude us, as a matter of fact, you have to include us in everything, but we can exclude you all we want"
Or I remember a movie based off a true story, where a white woman wanted to adopt a black girl, but the NAACP said white people can't adopt black children, and only blacks are allowed to adopt blacks
I wish they would have shown the conversation between Zoe and Noah. All we get is that he admitted he dates white girls. That doesn't really tell us anything. Does he date white girls because he's racist? Does he date white girls because he finds red or blond hair pretty, and that most often occurs in white people? Does he date white girls because he grew up in the Hollywood system where people of color are drastically underrepresented, so most of the girls he was surrounded by happened to be white, and that's what he's used to? The episode treats Noah like a villain, and we never even learn if he actually did anything bad!
True ‼ They should've really dug deeper into Noah's character
True! The Hollywood one sounds great, because it could go into the issue of how Hollywood STILL shows a massive preference towards certain races that affects both viewers and child actors, which sounds like a much better lesson than “If you’re the token ugly friend you shouldn’t expect anyone remotely attractive to want you”
Exactly, Noah's preference could even juat be explained away by experience, EG: him finding most PoC girls as too "loud", abrasive or just too much drama to deal with. So him picking Zoe in the cafeteria is because, unlike the other girls, she was being quite and not in his face.
IKR Preference is a thing. Some white girls say they prefer guys with darker skin, just because they find it attractive. Like, he's not racist just for having a preference.
@@jocelynecupcake That is a thing, but tell that to the writers. Dijonay's BF points this out in the eppisode, only to have Maya come and and be all "that's racist"
Zoey had NOTHING to apologize for. If anybody, Penny and Dijonay need to apologize to their boyfriends, because they were willing and were going to dump them for Noah. Also, can we also talk about how this episode is hypocritaly against interracial relationships, when the main instigator in this episode, Maya, has two fathers who are in an interracial relationship?
What made the Zoe situation even worse, was Noah walked passed several other white girls who would be considered more "attractive" than Zoe, and better for his "image" if he was just going to public school and going to date a "normal" girl for a publicity stunt, yet he chose her.
IIRac, Penny, Dijonay, Micheal, and LaCi were happy for her until Maya opened her big mouth with the whole "my cousin said XYZ".
And then at the end of the episode, Maya has the balls to say "This is why us girls gotta stick together", like the writers completely forgot that Maya started this whole situation by running her mouth. 😂😅
Like imagine if they had found out Noah was just dating Zoe for a publicity stunt, which was kind of hinted as to why he wanted to go to a public school in yhe first place.
But we dont see Zoe or Noah's PoV in yhe episode, we just see Penny's. -_-
You know what would be a crazy turn of events? If the boy all the girls like told Zoey that he didn't like girls who was interested in him because of his light skin color and he just wanted to avoid that mess altogether.
I prefer the original Proud Family cause it presents black people in a positive light and showed that there’s nothing wrong with being black
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Penny and some of her friends already have boyfriends and love interests? Seriously so what if Zoey has someone who has an admirer. Zoey needs to find better friends. I'll admit Noah was nonchalant through and through but the friends were bad.
I feel always bad when I see that someone is forcing "White guilt" on all white people including me even if me and my ancestors are from EASTERN EUROPE. Like guys - "I am not from the noble family. My families were fighting wars not by being sent to the different countries but literally had their homes bombarded, had to fight for their lives and families. Earlier they were workers without a lands, without a name. From both sides of my family our surnames are eqivalent of people that worked on the fields to give all they could to their masters and till my generation, probably noone ever saw non white person in real life" for what the heck am I supposed to be sorry for...
I feel like americans pretty often forgetting that people of every race were slaves in some period of time and all races were slavers. I saw a photo during BLM parade of KOŚCIUSZKO statue was vandalized in america. Kościuszko - our National Hero, one of those that FREED black people from the slavery, people that vandalized were not even be able to say who he was on the video but "he was white".
I am really happy I am not living in America...
It feels like some people forget or don`t take in consideration that there are more expierences than their (the country person lives in) and history and mentality doesn`t work the same in other countries and parts of the world.
Ignorance and radicalism turn into blind hatred and then things like vandalizing of KOŚCIUSZKO statue happen. It`s sad to see, but can be taken as a lesson on what not to do and how not to be.
I hope situation changes for better and really sad about the monument. Taking monuments down isn`t really a good desicion... Soviet goverment took down monument of Katherine the second in my city and she was the one who gave my city this title (and then they put Lenin monument on the same square). The monument got restored in 80`s but still (now she and Lenin hung out on the same square. Looks epic. She`s taller than him.)..
Monuments are there for a reason - for us to remember. Even if person for which monument was built made something horrid or was not a good person.. Yeah, keep it to remember that that stuff is bad and not repeat that.
It's like people forget that slavery is mentioned several times in THE BIBLE. It shows that slavery has been around since practically the beginning of civilization. Ever since there were rich people, they would exploit other people to do work for them. Hell, the Romans were the original slave traffickers but nobody mentions them
I think it's more often than not a quiet and passive racism that runs subconsciously. Hard for it not to be when people get basically preached at about how white people should be ashamed ... for some their ancestor may or may not have even had a hand in. It seems people take a sick and twisted sense of enjoyment from "kindly" reminding people that they should have shame hanging over their heads and that even if they think they aren't, they're still racist because white. It's messed up and quite racist and I really can't wait to see people eventually move on from tossing the hate bones around.
The same americans that think that probably also think that being european automaticly makes your ancestors brutal colonizers. Nah we were buisy having our land taken you can see on old maps😭💀
@@rubbydraco1334 the countries that did the most colonization were England, France, Spain, Holland, and Portugal. The first three were the biggest colonizers with Holland taking parts of SE Asia, South Africa, and parts of the Caribbean. Portugal took Brazil and some of the smaller South American countries
I appreciate your sympathy for all sides. Never downplaying or comparing the struggles of one side to the other.
This
One side clearly experiences greater struggle than the other-the concept of “white gilt” is derived from that fact.
The problem with this episode is that it is trying to act like Zoey is in the wrong and should be the one to apologize even though she isn't. And I watched this gang tail Oscar Proud on Sticky's bike to see if the guy was cheating on Trudy and yet never at any point in this episode do any investigations into whether or not Maya's claims are true.
So we have a merry band of dumbasses, two of whom were willing to ditch their darker skin boyfriends for a guy they don't know, shut Zoey out without even telling her what's going on, don't investigate whether or not these rumors are true, don't even ask the guy why he asked Zoey out, and then have the audacity to blame Zoey for all of this despite the fact that all she did was accept the invitation of a guy asking her out. How are we supposed to have a legitimate conversation about colorism when the one that the writers are telling us is in the wrong has literally done nothing wrong over the course of the entire episode?
It makes no goddamn sense. It just makes this friend group even more toxic than they already were and makes them look like a bunch of ignorant dumbasses.
I hate how they got mad at zoey for being asked out even though they had boyfriends like what?! Not only are you putting your own friend down but there also trying to leave there boyfriend
I just made a video specifically about that too
I'm white and I treat everyone else the same, aka I don't want to talk to people because I'm an introverted shut in who doesn't like people. Skin color is just that, skin color.
For this episode it just came off as a punishing Zoey for being white.
Frankly this episode had potential, it could have taught the girls for assuming he was dating her because she was white and the rumor when he was actually interested in her because she was a nerd, or a little sloppy or he tried dating more attractive women and found them all to be superficial so he decided to try something different this time. They could have been put in their place for assuming things and giving her shit because she's white and they could have realized their own prejudice and apologized.
They had a chance and they shat all over it because white person is always bad.
I think it’s weird how the show’s main characters are so goofy and cartoonish looking, but the new added side characters are drawn with more realistic detail and behave more seriously. The contrast is weird
Speaking as someone who hasn’t seen the episode; Is it even bad for her to date a boy who only really dates white girls but it’s never mentioned he’s actually prejudiced against other black people. I mean there’s definitely people like that but some people also just have weird dating preferences??? You can’t really control who you’re attracted to.
10:50 It’s horrible but I can’t stop picturing him be’n like “Oh shit my bad can you stop arresting them kids?”
Right? Like there’s so many people who will only date their own race, including black people, so why can’t he have a preference for a different race? Doesn’t mean he looks down on other races, especially with him being part of that race. And doesn’t mean he’ll never find a black girl attractive, just means he’s got a preference for different features.
I have had people apologize for being white. And it makes me so mad because they have nothing to apologize for
Should not make someone feel bad just because of the color they are or their racial background. Those are things you cannot control.
Can we please stop doing this to our children?
I remember watching shows in the 90s and early 2000s, two examples: are you afraid of the dark and boy meets world had interracial couples and race was never brought up. I was taught to judge by someone’s heart and nothing else. Imagine my surprise when I was an early teen finding out people had an issue with me dating out of my race. IMO we are going backwards.
Lets be honest Zoey deserves better friends. And thank you for bringing this up
My God this man needs to host highschool/college race discussions. Casual atmosphere, every race present and just talking about experiences and media. It would break down so many barriers or misunderstandings. So many people raised in racist households, once they go out into the real world and interact with others realize how backwards their upbringing were.
In terms of Barry, for some reason all the slavery was mysteriously wiped from the history of the town (which is not how that works - we all know slavery existed), and so he's being told by his young daughter something that goes against what he has been told his whole life by not only his family, but the whole town. He is married to a black man, and has black children. He has surely had discussions about racism before with Randall. Randall yelling at him for his gut reaction to new and contradictory information like Barry has been unaware of racism this whole time is perplexing. I do think if I were Barry, I wouldn't have been that surprised to find out an ancestor was a slave owner because... yeah, I'm sure some of them were. But I think if the situation were real, they would have talked calmly a bit longer before handing him a book and a page number like they've been waiting for him to slip up.
There were a lot of 2000s disney that handled racism, racial profiling and so on better then modern disney. If someone was racist, that person was called out; not the entire race that person was from.
The issue with the idea of white privilege and white guilt that’s being pushed is that it’s a prejudiced idea to believe that just because a person is white that they have this authority over others and that they can single-handedly make a change no matter the situation when it isn’t the case
Can't we all just be humans together? Like, when can history just be history? Why is being racist even still a thing after so many years??? It's just so sad... as a child, i never knew there was such a thing because to me, people were people and they still are, but as time went on, I learned that not everyone thinks the same way...It was very disappointed to find out. I hope Racism can end one day. For years into my adulthood, I have met so many amazing people but they get hated for their color or race...
History is important
@@jasmineneal5005 It is, I just History would stay history. Like, back then black people were treated horribly, but is that still an issue??? Why after all these years are people still racist?? We're all humans, we should all be friends with equal standings and rights
@@aquatickuriYes, it is still an issue, black people are daily treated poorly because history has an impact on the present day, from micro-agressions towards them to straight up violence. We should all be equal standings and rights but leaving "history to stay history" isn't the answer, that's blissful ignorance. There is need for change and history need to be ackowledged for that, so we can see what still lingers and affects people and make it different.
@@lilysapphire3434 I'm not saying to ignore history, I'm saying we should be better than history. But I feel like we're still living in the past in some way. Like, world war 1 his history because that ended, racism hasn't.
History is history because it was done a long time ago, but racism is still so present that its not quite history, just the slavery mostly. Like, I'm glad there has been so much improvement, but I just feel like racism should have ended so long ago.
But i know it's hard to change people, especially when generations of bad people and bad parenting have been around for so long, it's hard to break the cycle.
@@lilysapphire3434 you might want to go outside and smell the fresh air instead of looking up stuff on the internet all day because all I've seen are black people shaming and holding the small common folk accountable who are just trying to live their life, yes, you'll definitely have a basement dweller say that black people/women, are inferior but I see alot of you who call out how black people get it the worse, but you never specifically say by whom, because it isn't the everyday person that's keeping black people down, yet they go out and attack anything but the people actually causing the systematic problems we got in society, maybe before you actually make these assumptions, you should go make a bunch of black friends and then walk through a quiet and friendly small town and see how far you get because I guarantee you if you had a shred of good personality? You'd all come out with good times because in the real world? People are more focused on how good of a person you are despite race/privilege/ethnicity and race. Because guess what? When you aren't living in an ivory tower and think everyone's below you? You meet way greater people who only care about you for who you are inside as a person. So the word your actually looking for is classism. Which happened after sl@very was abolished and society determined your value based on how much you gave to the people in said ivory towers.
Old problem: treating people differently based on skin color
Old solution: treating people equally regardless of skin color
New problem: treating people equally regardless of skin color
New solution: treating people differently based on skin color
Fr tho
Her only role in the situation was her existence, and yet every greivance since has been heaped on her, not the perpetrator.
This episode plays out like a typical court case... 💀💀💀
Every time i see clips of the new seasons, the dialogue doesn’t feel like dialogue but rather a morality play written by teenagers, AT the audience. I LOVED proud family and loved their stories, and learned A LOT about living as a black teen in America, and I’ll never forget the time travel ep or the Ramadan ep because they were really good stories that moved me.
You are easily one of the smartest people I’ve heard on this topic. You’re absolutely correct in that you don’t have to downplay one peoples’ struggles to show another’s. I saw a political comic from the early 1900’s that said “It’s not about white power or black power, but worker’s power!”
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I dont talk about this very much, i was (and still am) a very irish pale kid, and i went to a school primarily filled with black and mexican kids. These kids bullied me RELENTLESSLY, about my skin, my last name, alot of things. I was treated differently because of this, idk i really hope i dont get blasted for this. I was really hurt, i hated being compared to mayo or mozzarella, or any of that other stuff....im scared to even put this comment up
Sorry you had to go through that. I try my best to make my comment section a safe space
@@TonyTurner thank you
Honestly, I wouldve just ditched them if I was Zoey. I've learned through experience that friendships don't last and sometimes aren't worth keeping
If Disney had done that, as far as the execs think (KK hella definitely included, thank you South Park), they'd of had to give in to the public scrutiny that they're receiving right now. Kathleen Kennedy has a death-grip on Disney as a company, and she sure as hell ain't gonna let go. This was the lady who last year tried to sue Matt Stone and Trey Parker over an episode of South Park where they *dared* to criticize her.
@@Rebel_Railroad_Productions what public scrutiny?
@@danthedork965 Their stocks and bonds having less value than they did five years ago, the lukewarm (that's me trying to be nice) enthusiasm that their films get now, the bad audience reception to said films, open and public criticism on social sites and YT of their company, their mismanagement for Disney+, the list is actually numerous.
@@danthedork965 For some reason, RUclips deleted the first comment I sent.
I could see it going both ways, honestly. Yes, Zoey's friends treat her horribly, but there's not a whole lot of options in a school setting; it's hard to end a friendship with a clean break unless you switch schools (which is a huge lifestyle change for a kid and often not feasible for the parents). It'd make sense if she stopped hanging out with them outside of school, but then she has to deal with the added pressure of breaking the status quo. If she breaks that status quo by avoiding them or ending the friendships, she risks the group behaving exactly how they did in this episode. She probably thinks she'll suffer less by remaining their friend than she would trying to leave and making enemies of them all.
No one should ever be discriminated against by the conditions of their birth that they had no control over: Race, gender, language, birth country. We should all speak out when this happens to us or anyone else. Never let it slide because you think you're not allowed to say anything.
We've all had some really good additions to this conversation, so I would like to add another angle to makes this whole thing all the more terrible about the way these episodes are written: There appears to have been a disconnect between interpersonal relationships and larger topics. The things that come up are extra important to talk about given the demographic, but on the other hand-- hey, maybe don't impart the message to socially ostracize someone based on some dude liking them for reasons they didn't decide? That fragile, insecure, nerd-coded punching bag is getting attention for the first time, and trying to set that aside as less impactful to people who are supposed to know her heart and be her friends isn't how friendship works, even as a teenager. Maybe don't try to frame something as personally hurtful as hearing a blood relative would hate everything you've built as just "not getting it, read a book," and then it'll all be understood? That grown ass man is going to experience GRIEF at this. A chapter on white fragility isn't going to break him out of it, actually. His husband, the person he's in love with, the human he shares a bond with, wouldn't see that? Really? He would just throw a book at his husband? A book the man he sleeps in the same bed as didn't once talk to his partner about? Hard to believe.
These episodes feel bad for a reason. The reason is close human-on-human interaction doesn't work like that. This is not how close friends who care about one another act. This is not how lovers act. Making an example out of the white characters isn't going to work to talk about systemic issues, because they _aren't the system, they are supposed to be individual people that we're supposed to care about individually._ Please be real to that at least. Knowing how the system operates to get into individual white people's heads is actually pretty important to combating the effects too.
White guilt is fully able to manifest without understanding a damn word of anything. This is how you get white people knowing not to say X out loud, but will see an action packed movie where the black lead did all their own stunts and wrote the script and was also the director, then see a white extra for thirty seconds and go "uuuuuughghgh, white people ruin everything." Congratulations! That's the same problem they already had, but now they hate themselves as a special flavor! So much solved with that, right?
This is very refreshing.
I am subscribing.
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Just found this channel, and I like it. You seem very open-minded with an awakened mind.
As a white woman in America, I absolutely understand my white privilege and as much as I would dislike it and be ashamed if my ancestors were slave owners I’m not going to say it’s absolutely impossible because it definitely is possible. All I can do here is denounce it and do better than they did and try to recognize that my story is not everyone’s story 💖💖💖
I hope that they try and communicate effectively that being white isn’t inherently bad the way they kind of made Zoey feel bad about herself just bc she happens to be white. Zoey is also the most solid and non-judgmental character of the show, why are they giving her such a hard time over 1 boy liking her? 8 billion people on the earth and you’re mad about 1 boy. Girls, please
As soon as they announced they were rebooting i knew Zoey was gonna get mistreated just because she's white
The thing I don’t like so much about the New Proud Family is they don’t handle the tough subjects as well. Those two episodes had a really mean undercurrent to them.
The first one the way the other girls talked to and treated Zoey was not presented as wrong. They tell her she did nothing wrong but they didn’t apologize for the way they treated her. How is that a good message to young girls.
The second one again they attacked Barry for not understanding and walked away. They shamed him and bullied him. That is no way to get someone to understand a viewpoint they are unaware of. Bad messaging again.
I would happily watch the old proud Family with my Nephews (who are bi-racial) but I hesitate to show the new episodes to any child. It makes me sad since it was such a good show.
I'm sorry. But the fact that Barry's HUSBAND immediately trying to say he had white Fragility. Just for being in and shock, and saying they don't know for certain that his ancestor was a slave owner is fucked up. Barry needs to divorce that man.
The Proud Family, went from a show that talked about famous Black accomplishments, and how we should all be kind to eachother. To essentially just attacking white and putting them on all on this monolith. Just because of the color of thier skin.
I mean, I can't get over Barry's husband, and his adopted daughter having those kinds of responses toward him, and expecting him to feel white guilt. When he obviously hasn't done anything racist towards his husband or daughter. He shouldn't be punished for what his ancestors did.
Honestly when I first saw the episode I thought it be more rumor based since maya heard it from a “telephone “ source. It would have been more interesting.
Especially if they actually showed Noah and Zoey alone and he said something offensive. It would have made a little more sense
I watched this episode, and Zoey shouldn't have been treated like that. She didn't do anything wrong. This jerk likes white girls over black girls, and Zoey's friends were upset about that. Her friends need to understand that not every hot boy wants to go out with them. And that's how it will always be.
I liked the old version a lot better. The old version actually made me think. The new version tries to make me feel bad for being white and things that I had _nothing_ to do with.
I never watched the original or this reboot but to me it seems like it’s teaching people to play the victim and blame others. I don’t like that people try to villainize every white person. I don’t hate people at all and I especially don’t judge people by their race. My ancestors fought for the Union from all sides of my family. I’m a distant relative of Cassius Clay. He was a person who fought anybody who was against the abolition of slavery and he constantly advocated not only for abolition but also for Civil Rights. My mom grew up in the Deep South not long after the Civil Rights movement. Her parents didn’t tolerate racism and neither does she. The Black community has many people who still struggle but it doesn’t help to act racist back or play a victim. Do things that make a change unite people from every walk of life instead of pushing everyone apart. Every race has pushed each other away for so long now we need to reunite everyone. We shouldn’t act like enemies.
People should be held accountable for their own actions. Not the actions of their parents, grandparents, ancestors etc. The current person is not their family tree
One of the biggest things is the lack of emphasis on culture as opposed to race. Your family has a culture, your school has/had a mixture of cultures, if you went to church, there is a culture there. Also, culture in society is almost never completely good or bad. There are people who are raised in what would generally be considered a "negative" culture that change for the better and vice versa. It isn't "black or white" culture, it's a combination of what you were raised with in regard to expectations, the people you met as you went along the way and how society affected them, along with their own individual choices. It always seems strange to me that if a parent was an absolutely terrible person, society understands that you shouldn't blame their children, but if someone's relatives from multiple generations ago "might" have been bad, they are expected to be "ashamed" of said relative. This strange extremism of saying everything about x culture or race is 100% good or bad isn't beneficial. Yet addressing cultural struggles (as opposed to what is seen as racial) is frowned upon by the media.
Off topic, your house looks super cozy 😊
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The whole thing with zoey and them basically making her apologize for being white makes me so upset because like, this scene has been done in probably half a dozen other shows and its usually in the end the friends who were jealous of the nerdy girl getting the guy ultimately decide "Well maybe everyone is attractive to someone and we cant force someone to like us. We should apologize to our friend and support her because thats what friends do!" and thats how you end the show with a good moral. Sure its been done in sitcoms a million times, but this just makes it feel like zoey is practically being abused by her friends. Which i personally relate to because ive been that person in the friend group before where im the one getting made the butt of every joke and being one of if not the only white girl in the group and forced to basically suffer the brunt of all the racism jokes and all of that. It doesnt feel good and i really hate that they did that because this is a real thing that happens and its not fun like they try to make it seem in the show. Its bullying and it really fucked me up
I feel like the reboot honestly has just become nothing more than the creator using it as a mouth piece to express his political agendas in a very tasteless way.
This is why I hate reboots.
After I learned European history, I've always felt that I have to apologize for what my ancestors MAY have done.
It's made it really difficult to make friends that aren't white because I feel so guilty for just existing near them.
Is really cruel and f-up, that her friends think that whatever guy asked her out has to be wrong in the head for picking her..... ouch...
The thing that bothers me is I’ll often see white people say “slavery (or whatever) is in the past and I haven’t done anything to harm someone if a different race” and someone of a different race will say “just because it’s in the past doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect us. We’re still hurting from the things that happened in the past.”
I can understand that it’s going to take time for us to completely move on as a society and I as a young person often forget that segregation and stuff was actually not that long ago in the grand scheme of things. But if I as a white person stand up and say that I have not ever harmed someone for their race and that I am thoroughly against discrimination of any kind why can’t you just accept that? I’m not speaking for my entire freaking race for Pete’s sake. I am one guy! And don’t tell me I don’t understand what it’s like to be a minority. I’m trans. I’m queer. People at my home and at my school talk crap about people like me all the time because they think putting queer people down is funny, and that we’re some kind of “woke” “cringe” joke. I am so so sorry and have much sympathy for people of other races who have experienced racism. But just because some white people are racist doesn’t mean all of them all. When I speak about something I’m not saying it to represent my race. I’m saying it to represent myself. I just make a point of saying I’m white online when talking about race related issues in case people are unsure.
I guess maybe they take the "slavery is in the past" part to mean you think that means it doesn't have any lasting effects, when that's not what you mean it as.
@@PhoebeTheFairy56 yeah that definitely could be the case. I think it might really just come down to a cultural thing. A lot of white people I see want to move on and I think that’s much easier on our end because we want to get as far away from the things our race has done in the past as possible. I think perhaps other people are still hurting and looking for something. I as a person just try to be kind to everyone but I realize that realistically there’s only so much I can do to help.
Looking back at what I wrote I look so mad for no reason XD I don’t understand why I used that tone lol
Girl just move on who cares every race was slaves everybody ancestors been through things nobody struggles is more important than the other one. It 2024 not 1824 let it go
@@queenofnyc5584 that’s what I’m saying. It’s a thing of the past and it’s time for us to move forward
i feel like they wrote barry sloppy, he doesn't use the claims racists or racist apologists use of "it was a different time" or any BS like that hes in shock and WANTS it to not be true, he knows its bad but doesn't want to accept it, but the way characters react is like they heard something completely different. the way he feels can be its own episode on how people view the sins of their families past but it just ended up feeling weird and confusing
You are free to disregard every word I say because I am white. I grew up watching the original. Loved it. Looking back the majority of good shows I grew up watching that still hold up today was a mostly or entirely non white cast. The original proud family was way up there. One of my favourite cartoons up there for the time period.
It makes me sad how the reboot doesn't seem to have the same soul. I understand white guilt (I am disgusted and completely revolted to what relatives from generations ago did.) and wanting to do better than your ancestors did, but how they treated the white girl just felt like they were being mean girls. There were many things they could have done with the story but shaming your friend for getting a boyfriend when you already have one as a plotline just makes me sad. The intended message was nowhere near to hitting because of the way thru chose to tell it.
Reminds me of a few clips of the reboot that went around pretty far that were basically "haha funny child abuse is funny because black family." Which I am very happy many people had issues with the clips. It felt like the clips were sending a message that parents being shitty to their children is ok and just a joke when a black family does it. Which...I am happy I don't need to explain why that message feels wrong.
These scenes and how mean spirited the once lovable Proud family members are now, far more than the original, is why I haven't seen any of the new episodes. Ive seen so many black people come out and talk about their issues with the new portrayals and poor execution on messages. It makes me sad to see such a phenomenal cartoon from my childhood fall.
And just to add, Penny was my favourite character in the original.
Imma sit in a corner and hope Static Shock never gets a reboot.
Random note about that episode with the Slave Owner ancestor episode. The Proud Family takes place in Emilyville, a fictional town in California. Now, the state of California has been a free state since the Mexican constitution of 1824 (Around the time, Mexico even had its first president be black). Mexico has always been historically a nation with no slavery. When the US ended up taking up the American Southwest after 1847, the land out west was separated between Free and Slave state. California remained a free state and broke the traditional line that separated free and slave that was slowly encroaching across the country.
Long story short, the Proud Family basically tried to force an odd slave owner storyline in a state historically known to never having had slaves since 1824, 40 years long before the American Civil War.
Three things you will never see:
-sound waves
-Your dad
-a straight white guy in proud family
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I love watching you analyze these topics in the show and how they potray it. I haven't watched this episode- but I remember seeing a LOT of people upset with the episode, whether it was because they were upset the brought up the topic at all, or dissapointed that they didn't potray this topic well. Glad to hear your insight on it 🙏
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Tbh, I genuinely think that those episodes had only white writers, because I don’t believe that someone who isn't white could've been in the room when they were writing it and not had physically cringe 😂
But seriously, I'm a firm believer that not every show needs to talk about racism, specially if they don’t know how to do it
Like they used a sledgehammer when they should’ve used a knife
"Privilege" really should just be called "passive social advantage" in reference to things like white privilege or male privilege. I think less people born with passive social advantages would freak out and get defensive, and less marginalized people born with passive social disadvantages would be able to use the term as a cudgel and we would all actually have to engage with its sociological implications rather than simply reacting to a word that we culturally associate with the total absence of struggle or hardship.
The fact that zoey was made fun of by her friends because they were jealous that she got asked out on a date while they had boyfriends is bafflin'. Like holy sh^t, they ain't loyal and the fact zoey apologized pisses me off, her friends should've realized they acted out of line and apologized. And their boyfriends should've saw that as a red flag and broke up with the girlfriends.
This is my first video Iv watched from you and I love how you take the time to try and explain such a sensitive topic. 👏 Honestly I haven’t watched the Proud Family in years but to see how far it has come is just wow. Poor Zoey is still getting the short end of the stick and now on top of it having to worry about situations that happens that is simply out of her control. It’s to this point I do question if they are really her friends now after how they treated her. I’m white. And Iv been put into situations where automatically people think I’m better off or have more money because of my skin color. Truth be told no. I’m one of those that I had to work my butt off and to this day I still have to in order to make it. It’s only now I can get a college degree (32) and even then I’m relying on grants because I barely make enough for my rent and food and simply regular simple bills. I completely understand the anger and salt that is directed to white people. I don’t want to get to much into this subject on here because well it’s just a “walking on eggshells” topic but I do wish everyone would just take a moment to remember that we are all Human and more of us are on equal ground then a lot realize. Rage and salt is blinding a lot from the truth and this goes on all sides. It’s going to come a time we will have to put aside our “color” in order to survive as a species. Nature and how things are going doesn’t care and won’t play favorites. I see everyone as a Human being because well that’s what we are. Human. And that in it self is a beautiful thing and I pray one day every one will see that we are more similar then we make ourselves to be.
I need to know why he just had a white fragility book on hand. My man was … prepared?? For that??
I have a black adopted brother and he isn’t allowed to watch cartoons like this, he’s too young to really understand history and he doesn’t know hate. He’s been in our lives since he was two days old, he was adopted alongside two other unwanted infant boys. They all love one another regardless of differences and deserve to hold onto that innocence for as long as they can
What you’re saying is truly beautiful. However, it is important for him to realize racism does exist before his innocence turns into ignorance.
Look, I can't really speak for the other girls but let's be real. It's no secret that Zoey is NOT cute, but yet he picked HER over ME. So I thought, "Does he really think that ZOEY is cuter than me? This must be a mistake!". And then once we found out he only dated white girls well it made me feel like he only thought Zoey was cute because she was white and so I thought that to him "Not White" = "Not Cute".
Either way we shouldn't have taken that out on Zoey. We're here friends but we got jealous of her when she needed our support the most. We totally let her down by overreacting, and for that, I feel bad. I promise, I've learned my lesson! 😣
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Moral of the story: don't attack people when they have preferences.
I’ve never actually watched the Proud family, but watching this, I actually kinda relate to Zoey… I never had a situation where a guy wanted to date me because of my race or anything, but I guess the subtle way she’s treated by her friends.
The old Proud Family talked race issues a lot better than this crap. IMO that episode wasn’t colorism but racism. Colorism to me would be where the guy preferred light skin black girls over dark skin is they’re less attractive to him. That makes more sense, but if he wasn’t thinking of it as a negative then it’s based on preference which isn’t a problem at all.
my partner took on some of this white guilt and i had to literally walk them through the fact that their family wasnt even in the US when slavery was still prevelent.
It seemed more like the group was mad Zoey got with someone out of her league even though they were all already with someone, and blamed the whole thing on him having a type.
What if the roles were reversed? The only two black characters in a white cartoon HAVE to go through the trials of a missing father or not wanting to work? Being a lazy bum sufficing on government assistance? BP wouldn’t like that. That’s what it was giving in S2.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD THE WHITE FRAGILITY BOOK BY *AVOWED RACIST* ROBIN DEANGELO HOLY SHIT. That really puts into perspective the views of these writers. Very very racist
I remember seeing a comment on another RUclips video about this episode. Zoey would “off herself due to white guilt.”
Geez, you know the writing is bad when someone thinks a character is being abused
its not racist to have a preference on who you want to date.
I wish this channel does a video about the issues of black women in the media.
I remember seeing article about black women being in a constant battle to prove there femininity.
I did many videos about black women having issues in the music industry. That also sounds like a good idea
I know nothing about this show. But did the one dad just happen to have the book on white fragility to hand then and there to hand to his husband? So, he bought it before hand, meaning he expected his partner to need it?
I think one of the more heartbreaking things about this is seeing Randall tell his husband “use your white privilege” and then later give him a book on white fragility and state “you’re on page 39”. It makes me really question the strength of their relationship and even wonder if Reginald wants to use Barry’s white privilege when it suits his needs. I can see if he said something along the lines of “do something, help us” but to ask for white privilege to use as a weapon against the cops is absurd. This is his husband, someone he’s committed to and is raising children with, and that scene makes it feel like Barry is a tool to be used rather than a partner.
I will not feel guilt for a past I was not alive for. And I will not kowtow to people for having "privilege."
@@Null_sys Nor should you
Zoey is my fav creature out of Penny's pal group, in real life, she is my type.
Shout out to "Soleil Moon Frye" I Love You Punky!
I'm glad I found your channel man, this is amazing content
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Somerimes people you wouldn't expect were slave owners. For example, Ulysses S. Grant owned 5 people prior to becoming a general for the union and later a President.
George Washington owned slaves too.
This is the most racist cartoon I've ever seen, it will go down in history as a ridiculous example
Zoe has always just been a walking stereotype and I hate it! She was literally MADE to not fit in
I don't think I've ever been this early
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I've scrolled through a few of these videos now.
Even as a non-American, I really respect the way Tony deals with these topics.
Being mixed race, I have often been told I had to feel bad for what white people have done throughout history. I never understood it because its not something I did, and its not my fault it happened.
I used to retort that people of all races could find horrible people in their bloodlines. All races have traded in slavery over history, so surely we should all be made to feel the same guilt.
Americas history is something to be acknowledged by its people, but it should not be a justification to keep trying to segregate each others cultures and lessons.
The UK has a racism problem, that's not something anyone denies. But people here feel more communal than how segregated it feels when I go to the US.
Either way, this is a good and very educational video and the many other topics this channel have covered are good lessons for all to learn. Keep up the work mate, I'm sticking round for the ride.
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nice video, always nice to hear peoples opinions on different issues, helps me stay informed