I was on the bakerloo over 26 years ago first at the elephant as a driver then queen’s park as a manager I took voluntary severance in 1996 I used Kilburn reverse about twice !
I think the winter night time de-icing runs used it the most, not being about to reverse at QP with the juice off and trains stabled all about the place (do they still stable on 21 road?)
At end of traffic we would stable in both north sheds roads and depending if south sheds were unavailable then northbound road of north sheds. All our road training for Kilburn would be done with a hiker travelling to there. If you look at Queen’s Park my office was the Pizza Hut shaped building at the of the platform.
Not that often, but it does. There was a massive power outage in central London in the early 2000's once, at the time the Bakerloo trains out on the "Watford DC" line went to the outer platforms, detrained everyone, and dead-headed to Killburn High Road. As that station wasn't built with the "compromise" height, Tube Stock may not board or alight passengers there. If the Metropolitan line gets connected to Watford Junction (although the plan looks like it's permanently on hold), I wonder if the 4-rail will be reinstated between the junction of the Croxley Green line and Harrow and Wealdstone, and would S Stock be permitted to alight and board passengers at Kilburn High Road if needed?
Yes, although in those days the cross-over was just south of the station if i remember correctly? It certainly wasn't half way back to Queens Park before you went back Down Road!
kunoath yes, the outside rail provides the power, but unlike most electric operations, the London Underground uses the center rail to complete the electrical circuit instead of using the two running rails as most electric railways do.
The National Railways use an in cab Automatic Warning System using elecro & permanent magnets. As a non Underground train passes over the yellow ramps in the 4 foot, it will ring a bell (if signal is green) or sound a warning horn for any other aspect &/or speed restriction. Underground trains use a trip-cock with trip-arm system which is mechanical and fitted to National Rail lines that are used by London Underground (Richmond and Wimbledon on the District for instance).
@@Sterlingjob Sadly i can't. Something i wasn't taught when a driver either on tubes or main line. The Neg rail is the currant return on the LUL system, and when on National Rail it is connected to the running rail and then returns to source in the normal National Rail manner. On LUL the Neg rail is connected direct to the retrurn to sub station.
@@Sterlingjob It completes the circuit and returns to the sub station via red bonds that connect to the running rail every so often along the line. I am no electrical engineer and just remember what we were taught on a drivers course. Interfering with the red bonds was a big no-no i seem to recall.
Probably not, it was mainly for the night time de-icing runs in winter plus emergency use if Bakerloo trains couldn't get back on to LT tracks at Queens Park (say a points failure....). I'm pleased some of the other uploads are....from bits i have seen on line already it looks quite good!
Not since sometime in the 70's when British Rail decided that all 4-rail trackage not shared with the Tube would be converted to 3-rail to allow usage of "Southern" 3rd rail trains. Before that, it would have been possible, in fact there was the rather awkardly designed "Watford Joint Stock" that was Tube Stock but with slam doors, luggage racks, and compartments, in deferrence to "main line" mentalities of design! So from Watford Junction, some trains went to Euston, some to Elephant and Castle, and...some went onto the two branches that no longer even exist!
The last Bakerloo to Watford Junction was September 1982, i know as i was on it! It was a 38 stock and the driver allowed us to ride into Croxley Depot. Next morning the four 38 stock trains left Croxley and headed south to the Elephant and no Underground train has been beyond Harrow since then. In 1982 even harrow was not served, nothing past Stonebridge Park and that was peak hour only. The DC lines opened as a joint venture between the LNWR and Underground Group so each company provided half the service until the 1960s when passenger numbers dropped and LT pulled out apart the 4 peak workings, Down Road at night and Up Road in the mornings.
@Soi Buakhao 24th September 1982 and sorry Soi I have to correct you. The first train that ran through to Harrow in September 1984 had to go to Watford Junction to turn round as the Harrow signaller was late for work!
That is not a Bakerloo Line train. Bakerloo Line trains do not run with passengers over ground beyond Queens Park when heading South. They do join the over ground with passengers from deep level at Queens Park when heading North. Both entering and exiting the overground section of the Watford line via the covered sidings directly to the North of the platforms at Queens Park. Do not be fooled by the fourth rail. I commuted from Wembley Central to Stockwell via Queens Park for 10 years in the 80's to 90's and never saw a Bakerloo Line train operate with passengers beyond Queens Park. I have no idea why there is a fourth rail other than for positioning trains.
I’m sorry but it is. Kilburn High Road is used in emergency situations to reverse Bakerloo trains from the north so they can head back towards Queens Park, i.e. rare. They run empty from Queens Park to Kilburn High Road.
This is a driver's route training video. This move is performed out of service (apart from the odd railtour, i have done this move on a 38 stock tour in 1985) mostly by the overnight de-icing train that runs from Harrow & Wealdstone when snow &/or ice is forecast. At night it is not possible to reverse at Queens Park so they use this move instead. Also if a train from Harrow cannot get back to the LT lines at Queens Park (maybe points failure ect) then the train will tip out in Queens Park platform and perform this move empty and head back north.
I was on the bakerloo over 26 years ago first at the elephant as a driver then queen’s park as a manager I took voluntary severance in 1996 I used Kilburn reverse about twice !
I think the winter night time de-icing runs used it the most, not being about to reverse at QP with the juice off and trains stabled all about the place (do they still stable on 21 road?)
At end of traffic we would stable in both north sheds roads and depending if south sheds were unavailable then northbound road of north sheds. All our road training for Kilburn would be done with a hiker travelling to there. If you look at Queen’s Park my office was the Pizza Hut shaped building at the of the platform.
at 1:54 - "you must stop" gets contradicted as the train just carries on
“...and detain passengers, if you have any” therefore if you have no passengers, you’re probably fine to carry on...
I would feel so confused if I saw Bakerloo trains on platform 1 or 4 at Queens Park. I never knew this happened.
Not that often, but it does. There was a massive power outage in central London in the early 2000's once, at the time the Bakerloo trains out on the "Watford DC" line went to the outer platforms, detrained everyone, and dead-headed to Killburn High Road. As that station wasn't built with the "compromise" height, Tube Stock may not board or alight passengers there. If the Metropolitan line gets connected to Watford Junction (although the plan looks like it's permanently on hold), I wonder if the 4-rail will be reinstated between the junction of the Croxley Green line and Harrow and Wealdstone, and would S Stock be permitted to alight and board passengers at Kilburn High Road if needed?
6:29 is that wheelslip?
Yes!
38’s have done that move many a time
Yes, although in those days the cross-over was just south of the station if i remember correctly? It certainly wasn't half way back to Queens Park before you went back Down Road!
Soi Buakhao that’s right , it wasn’t that long of a shunt
Just out of interest when was this filmed? As Kilburn High Road appears to be in a rather shabby state in this footage!
Viewers of other sections of this road learning vid think around 2004 due to film posters on station platforms.
Before the great Buddliea invasion
The joys of the privatised railway i'm afraid......
Soi Buakhao it’s disgusting the amount of money going around now and Network Rail can’t even keep the infrastructure tidy.
excellent ride 👍
Not something they do every day but there if needed.
Top video 👍
Thank you....
How is the loco getting power?? It's electric right
kunoath yes, the outside rail provides the power, but unlike most electric operations, the London Underground uses the center rail to complete the electrical circuit instead of using the two running rails as most electric railways do.
@@georgeronn1263 Thanks mate
Why so many gaps on the negative rail, and what’s the machinery in the gaps?!
The National Railways use an in cab Automatic Warning System using elecro & permanent magnets. As a non Underground train passes over the yellow ramps in the 4 foot, it will ring a bell (if signal is green) or sound a warning horn for any other aspect &/or speed restriction. Underground trains use a trip-cock with trip-arm system which is mechanical and fitted to National Rail lines that are used by London Underground (Richmond and Wimbledon on the District for instance).
Soi Buakhao can you also explain -210v and +420v??!! Can see how both can be live! I know one is negative but been bugging me for years!!
@@Sterlingjob Sadly i can't. Something i wasn't taught when a driver either on tubes or main line. The Neg rail is the currant return on the LUL system, and when on National Rail it is connected to the running rail and then returns to source in the normal National Rail manner. On LUL the Neg rail is connected direct to the retrurn to sub station.
Soi Buakhao that’s another thing! How can it connect to the running rail and not earth!!!!
@@Sterlingjob It completes the circuit and returns to the sub station via red bonds that connect to the running rail every so often along the line. I am no electrical engineer and just remember what we were taught on a drivers course. Interfering with the red bonds was a big no-no i seem to recall.
this wont be of use in tsw 2.
Probably not, it was mainly for the night time de-icing runs in winter plus emergency use if Bakerloo trains couldn't get back on to LT tracks at Queens Park (say a points failure....). I'm pleased some of the other uploads are....from bits i have seen on line already it looks quite good!
Well you can drive that service on TSW3 in the Update 2021 timetable of the bakerloo line now. But only drive far as Queens Park.
When DO they get the chance to do all that graffiti without being seen?!!!
At night i should imagine. With someone keeping an eye out just in case someone should come to stop them.....
London ?? looks poor and dirty than my rural city
Yes, it is a right messy place, especially around railways. The powers that be never want to spend money tidying the place up!
Shan Satish You are 100% correct, London is a real dump of a city. And I’m English. It’s embarrassing to hate ones capital city but it is the truth.
Name your city.
I wonder if they can go all the way to Euston...
Simon Kalavazides no fourth rail beyond Kilburn High Road
They can try, but they wont get all that far!
Not since sometime in the 70's when British Rail decided that all 4-rail trackage not shared with the Tube would be converted to 3-rail to allow usage of "Southern" 3rd rail trains. Before that, it would have been possible, in fact there was the rather awkardly designed "Watford Joint Stock" that was Tube Stock but with slam doors, luggage racks, and compartments, in deferrence to "main line" mentalities of design! So from Watford Junction, some trains went to Euston, some to Elephant and Castle, and...some went onto the two branches that no longer even exist!
The last Bakerloo to Watford Junction was September 1982, i know as i was on it! It was a 38 stock and the driver allowed us to ride into Croxley Depot. Next morning the four 38 stock trains left Croxley and headed south to the Elephant and no Underground train has been beyond Harrow since then. In 1982 even harrow was not served, nothing past Stonebridge Park and that was peak hour only. The DC lines opened as a joint venture between the LNWR and Underground Group so each company provided half the service until the 1960s when passenger numbers dropped and LT pulled out apart the 4 peak workings, Down Road at night and Up Road in the mornings.
@Soi Buakhao 24th September 1982 and sorry Soi I have to correct you. The first train that ran through to Harrow in September 1984 had to go to Watford Junction to turn round as the Harrow signaller was late for work!
FUME
That is not a Bakerloo Line train. Bakerloo Line trains do not run with passengers over ground beyond Queens Park when heading South. They do join the over ground with passengers from deep level at Queens Park when heading North. Both entering and exiting the overground section of the Watford line via the covered sidings directly to the North of the platforms at Queens Park. Do not be fooled by the fourth rail. I commuted from Wembley Central to Stockwell via Queens Park for 10 years in the 80's to 90's and never saw a Bakerloo Line train operate with passengers beyond Queens Park. I have no idea why there is a fourth rail other than for positioning trains.
I’m sorry but it is. Kilburn High Road is used in emergency situations to reverse Bakerloo trains from the north so they can head back towards Queens Park, i.e. rare. They run empty from Queens Park to Kilburn High Road.
This is a driver's route training video. This move is performed out of service (apart from the odd railtour, i have done this move on a 38 stock tour in 1985) mostly by the overnight de-icing train that runs from Harrow & Wealdstone when snow &/or ice is forecast. At night it is not possible to reverse at Queens Park so they use this move instead. Also if a train from Harrow cannot get back to the LT lines at Queens Park (maybe points failure ect) then the train will tip out in Queens Park platform and perform this move empty and head back north.