Even Joe Dumars who was ADs best friend on the team said to Adrian a while after the trade .. " I hated to see you go but I sure am getting the ball a lot more as we move the ball around better as you tended to hold onto the ball too long". And Dumars was finals MVP their first title in 1989.
@@DK-bk1vq can't tell seems he still occupying space from your comment.....keep living I could really careless getting that reaction was worth it.... 😅😂
@@ericthomas917 going from a team that was 3 points from a title to a team that had no chance of ever getting to the finals in that decade or the next? why in the world would a competitive player who wanted a ring ever be happy about that?
@@Darthtanos well not exactly true. The Mavericks were one game shy of reaching the finals in 1988 so they weren't a bad team at all. But I can see why he didn't want to go there based off of his background with the Pistons.
What makes this beef so funny is that Dantley actually envisioned a scenario where he could actually prevail against Detroit's franchise player. Thomas def had some influence in getting Dantley traded but he prob didn't need to do too much because Dantley kept digging his own grave deeper and deeper.
Agguire was more of a swing man who could score off the break. He wasn't a huge dunker but he had this kinda statue of liberty stance while going up for a layup. Very crafty player
@@jareddavidmanifold313 Aguirre was willing to sacrifice his stats when Dennis Rodman was emerging as a defensive stopper & eventual starter as Detroit counted on Rodman's defense against just about anyone, and especially in the 4th quarter.
@@JanetMarieRose73 Unlike Dantley, Aguirre had been close and realized that his career would be enhanced by the winning he couldn't quite do in Dallas. Dantley never sniffed what Aguirre ironically did a round before the Pistons in '88 against the Lakers as the LEAD DOG. I love the Lakers, but we did catch a break with Aguirre getting hurt in Game 7 against Dallas.
I just can't see any1 else being captain of that team other than Zeke. He was the inner button of the heart he owned his opponents nearly everytime out.
In the book “The Franchise” by Cameron Stauth, which chronicled the Pistons 88-89 season, what Dantley said to Thomas at halfcourt was “I’ll never forgive you for what you did to me.”
It was more Chuck Daly than Thomas...he got tried of his attitude...Dantley was fun to watch but a pain in the ass..that`s he changed teams every few years
No she did not properly breakdown the beef she was actually sounded kind of biased like she was on Adrian dantley side. And the finals they lost against the Lakers she failed to mention the bad foul call against Bill Laimbeer
@@andrejamison2723 I get your point, but this video isn't about them losing the finals and the phantom foul call, it's about 2 players that didn't like each other, Laimbeer has nothing to do with the beef between these 2 guys. That's what the 30 for 30 is for, why cover something that's already been covered?
Dantley refs basketball games in my area. Super nice guy, and a rlly good ref. (I’m taking back my previous comment, he just missed a terrible call and lost us the game. He’s a bad ref but still a great player)
Talent wise Dantley is better But Mark should be a HOFer too, had a great career in college at DePaul and was the first star of the Mavericks. Then won titles with Pistons.
Dantley spent more time pointing the finger than building chemistry. He thought the world revolves around him and if he could have had made power to trade players I bet he would have done so.
This was great. The Bad Boys 30 for 30 was one of the best sports docs I've ever seen. I gotta side is Isiah on this one. That part in the doc when AD didn't want to come out of the game and was screaming at Chuck Daley made me think AD's ego and pride was poison for any team.
Exactly. Every star who has won a championship says they need to make sacrifices. Jordan had to give up points for the Triangle Offense to get his rings. Magic could have scored 35,40 points nightly if he wanted to, but he opted to facilitate on offense, and it made the Lakers the Team of the 80s. Kobe had to learn to share with Shaq for his first 3 rings. LeBron had to give up the ball so he could win in Miami with Wade and Bosh. AD had those rings in his grasp. All he had to do was check his ego at the door and do whatever the team needed him to do. He couldn’t do that. Instead, he opted to complain and start a war with the team’s biggest star AND the head coach. When that happens, you pretty much stamp your own ticket out of that town.
@@Amick44 Utah had Karl Malone, Ricky Green and still had a Young John Stockton on the bench. They would’ve easily had one of the best front courts in the league. AD wore out his welcome as he was known to do
The Pistons in the 80's are said to be bad boys, but I remember being excited by their games aiming for victory even if they were unrefined... Chuck Daly, who led the Bad Boys to victory, is also wonderful.
Zeke could have had something to do with the trade but Dantley literally cried about getting touches from game 1 when he came to Detroit. Trying to have a winning team with chemistry issues only works in certain cases, Aguirre wasn't a problem on the team so the trade makes sense. Aguirre later saying in an interview that he was way better than Dantley anyway was always a fun wrinkle to this.
They took a real chance trading for Aguirre though. Dude's reputation as a teammate wasn't really much better than Dantley's. I think the biggest if not the only reason that was able to work was because of his longtime friendship with Zeke.
Here’s my thing. A.D. walked through the door like he was the star of the franchise. One of the biggest problems is someone thinking they are more important than they actually are. I honestly wouldn’t care if Zeke did influence trading him. Cuz you can never be on the same team as a guy that swears it’s his team when it’s so obvious it isn’t.
@@Riles3152 true. I also believe by that time, Aguirre had had enough of being a big scorer who didn't really have a chance to win a championship. So he welcomed his role in Detroit which was still considerable. He was ready to win. And probably felt assured of his stature after being a main man in Dallas.
@@thewriter8762 3rd leading scorer of the entire decade - he was definitely as important as he thought he was. His mistake was thinking he would get his way over Thomas
The story is usually told wrong. It was a little known rookie named Dennis Rodman who first made the "comment about Bird." Isaiah Thomas was quoting Rodman. Listen to the original recording on tape.
You are correct. Isaiah didn't start it. Rodman was an unknown quantity to most of the World then, just a scrappy young guy from a small college introduced to a college coach when the coach's son met him one day at an arcade. That's all anyone outside of the NBA knew about him. Isaiah was trying to protect him.
When that era of Pistons added a new player via free agency or trade, the first thing that happened was Isiah and Laimbeer took the guy out for dinner and laid it out for them about what it took to be a part of the team. Dantley clearly didn't buy into that.
Clara videos make me really happy. I'm not even a basketball fan but beef in basketball is really unique in how it play out so I enjoy these videos regardless. Clara's excellent narration skills make these stories just as great, though.
Dantley was a notorious ball hog, he was almost like the Carmelo or Iverson of his era where he was definitely a gifted scorer but that was the primary thing he added, and his method of scoring I think often stunted teams' growth as opposed to a Michael Jordan or someone like that who was much more active in other aspects, and his scoring was always more essential to his team, and he involved his teammates much more than a lot of other great scorers.
Yes you are correct... Pistons tried to use AD like Worthy... when they needed a bucket Zeke would go to him AD didn't like that case in point... BALL HOG😂
Remembered Dantley play when i was a kid rooting for the Lakers. Yes, he was a ball hog ala Trae Young. When he played the Lakers, Michael Cooper would shut him down cold.
@@luigivincenz3843 Coop shut down AD? AD ate Green alive in the 88 Finals... I highly doubt rail-thin Cooper would fare better guarding AD... If there's anybody who could shut AD down, it was Worthy
MJ vs Isaiah, Kobe vs Shaq, Dame vs Russ, that's what I'm looking forward to future beef episodes. Congratulations on the 100th episode, you never fail.
Great video as always, but Isiah didn't originally say the Bird comment. Dennis Rodman said it, then Isiah repeated it. b/c he was the star, he got the brunt of the drama
@@broaddusmarines him not backing up his teammate, when dennis was an emotional person who needed guidance and family most at that time, would destroy team chemistry and made rodman think he didnt have anyone siding him. In both their retrospect rodman admitted it was bad on his part.
This is my favorite narrator. She has the perfect amount of professionalism and snark. With a side of snide. And extra dash of snark. It's perfect tone, delivery and pace. Oh, did I mention snark?
Hate the staff cuts, and that some of it affected Secret Base. Hope the content keeps coming in spite of the losses, and that those who were laid off can bounce back quickly.
As a fan of the Bad Boys, getting Adrian Dantley and getting rid of garbage like Tripucka and Benson was the beginning of good times. Signing Sidney Green and drafting Rodman and Salley transformed the Pistons from losers to winners. Hell, Mahorn lost weight. It was on. Adrian Dantley was a valuable member of the Detroit Pistons and I truly believed the Pistons would have won the championship in 1989 with him on the team but championships require chemistry and had AD stayed on the team in 1990 they may not repeated. Add in the Rodman factor and smart fans understood why A.D. had to go.
No. He didn't fit. He was a defensive liability and couldn't run the floor. We don't beat the Lakers with Worthy or Boston with Bird or even the Bulls without Rodman playing major closing minutes.
That's exactly the same reason why jordan and others didn't want zeke on the dream team, but when it comes to the dream team and zeke, piston fans ain't trying to hear it
Btw can you please make a Collapse video about the Bad Boy Pistons and also the 1996 Seattle SuperSonics (take the latter all the way until they moved to OKC)?
Kinda tragic, because the 94 & 95 Sonics were better than the Houston Rockets (Kenny Smith admits this), they just didn't meet in the playoffs. After 1996, management, in an move so stupid and disrespectful, refused to pay Shawn Kemp, their perennial All-Star what he was worth, while overpaying scrubs and stiffs. And the Sonics never really recovered as an organization (trading for an alcoholic Vin Baker didn't help... which Boston found out as well couple of years later), and basketball left Seattle. Yeah, there's a good Collapse video there.
@@ergoat Sonics choked hard in 94 and 95, loosing in the first round to an 8th seed Denver and getting walloped by Nick the Quick and an inferior Lakers team isn't a good look for a title contender. Not paying Kemp is pretty stupid though I wonder how much that had to do with his coke addiction.
@@CrazyxEnigma idk about 95, but 94 yeah, is a choke job, but it's also one of those rare instances where the 8th seed is about the worse possible matchup for the #1. See also 07 Mavs.
@@ergoat After looking it up 95 was also a first round exit. Granted Sonics didn't have best record or anything this year, still only won 1 game against the Lakers though and their best players were Cedric Ceballos and Nick Van Exel who Payton couldn't keep in check and gave them a whooping.
@@CrazyxEnigma Wild. I'll have to look into that. Certainly a vast difference from the 93 Sonics that took Barkley & the Suns to 7 games and the 96 Sonics.
Without question Mark Aguirre to Detroit is one of the most overlooked impactful trade ever in NBA history because he was the perfect fit for that Bad Boy Pistons team and a guy like him completes the puzzle eventuall resulted in 2 championships unlike Adrian Dantley who would always slows down the offense. No wonder why Dantley was always labeled a loser throughout his career because his playstyle is so polarizing which is why he deserves to leave the game without holding the Larry O'Brien trophy and even wear a championship ring.
I've waited for this beef for so long. Growing up in Toledo Ohio during the 80s n 90s, we got Pistons on Fox Sports Detroit (and Cavs for Fox Sports Ohio) and I grew up with the beef marinating, simmering, hell even sloooooooow smoked ...and now boys, now we...savor
Dantley wore out his welcome EVERYWHERE HE WENT. Not just Detroit. Dude was the picture in the dictionary of the word 'malcontent'. Incredibly unique talent...a 6'5" guy who dominated in the post and lived on the FT line, but just a selfish, me guy.
Exactly. Dantley was all about his numbers first. Aguirre was willing to split minutes with Rodman (a defensive force) and he could get his points within the rhythm of the offense. They didn't have to run an isolation heavy offense with him as the mainfocus.
@@BassGuitar4life I've always suspected that Zeke's real intervention in the Dantley -Aguirre trade was to have a real heart to heart talk with his old friend from Chicago explaining to him the lay of the land in Detroit and what he needed to do and accept to fit into the system. Aguirre's reputation before coming to Detroit wasn't much better than Dantley's as far as being a locker room problem. But somewhere along that long flight to Detroit Mark found some enlightenment about being a team player.
Congrats on 100 episodes of beef history 🎉🎉 I remember discovering you guys sitting on my break in a target parking lot a couple years ago and it became a routine to have some beef with my lunch. Best sports segment on RUclips
@@zeetty ya I worked there for a bit lol, it was next to a bunch of places to eat so I would order pickup on grubhub then sit in or on my car if it was nice out and watch some beef history
Excellent video, and congrats on the 100 episodes! A few random points of interest: -There have been a few comments about "wow, Isiah beefed with everyone." And it's pretty undeniable at this point that he made enemies, largely through his own doing. But less known is that he was elected president of the NBA Players Association in 1988. Not excusing anything he's done, just saying he very clearly had the respect of a large amount of the NBA, and it's more complicated than just "he was the league pariah." -Most people who aren't outright anti-Bad Boys mention the Phantom Foul to end Game 6 of the '88 finals, but what's less noted is the Lakers fans storming the court in Game 7 during the Pistons' last possession, when it was a 3-point game. -Like this video mentioned, the Pistons' '89 season was off to a solid start with Dantley, but they weren't running away with it or anything. Also, I feel like their overall record kind of hides just what an excellent run that team had from the season halfway point (right around where they gained Aguirre) up to winning the title. After starting 26-13, their combined regular-season and playoff record from the 40-game mark on was 52-8. They only lost at home once in that span, to the Bulls in Game 1 of the ECF (their only other playoff loss was in Chicago in Game 3).
Always love the Secret Base breakdown of every beef. Even if they're ones we know about, the detail and compilation of sources makes it so much more interesting to watch
I watched the "bad boys" documentary and remembering Adrian saying he didn't like Isiah. Before he got to Detroit, he was "the guy" in Utah averaging like 30 points a game to being the "5th wheel" with the pistons. I know when he got traded to Dallas in the middle of the 88-89 season that eventually got the pistons their first chip that he could've squashed the beef and got his opportunity to get his only ring and didn't happen
After Detroit beat the Celtics in 88 they interviewed IT and he said that he's happy for Adrian dantley and nobody deserves to play in the finals more than him. It seems at this point they were still cool with each other.
As a kid growing up in Detroit, I was a huge fan of AD & Zeke was my fav NBA player ..I was sad to see AD go & couldnt understand why we let him go, but after the New Bad Boys started winning big, I understood
Great work. Just funny how Dantley always insists Isiah as the one who wanted him gone, but completely ignoring the fact that the HEAD COACH wanted him gone and was quoted saying so. Silly really
Well that and Jack McCluskey himself said trading Dantley was his idea, not Isiah's. Regardless, if other players on the team were sad that he got traded, they got over it pretty fast.
@@75aces97 There is a book called The Franchise that was written about the 88-89 Pistons by a guy who had inside access. Dumars was particularly close to Dantley as was Salley. They were both initially upset about the trade. Additionally, Isiah wasn't thrilled because he knew Aguirre could be moody. He, Laimbeer, and Vinnie Johnson sat Aguirre down when he came to town and made it crystal clear that no diva attitude would be accepted. And yes...both McCloskey and Daly wanted Dantley gone mainly because of his attitude and the fact that his offense style just clashed with the rest of the roster.
Or not blaming himself for his actions. He has not once taken accountability for his role in anything. It's about winning. Zeke could have average 30 if he wanted, but he valued winning.
@@andrejamison2723 thats what a lot of people dont realize when they do these player comparisons. Like Stockton vs Isiah or CP3 vs Isiah. Isiah was smart enough to realize that in order for his team to win he would have to sacrifice his stats for that to happen. His greatest ability is his leadership qualities and it was always about winning with Isiah. Meanwhile you have guys like Westbrook and Harden who rack up the great numbers but can never win anything even tho they had teams good enough to win. Same with CP3 and Stockton.
My girl, you're a fantastic storyteller! This beef sounds eerily similar to what is currently going on in Atlanta, between John Collins versus Trae Young & the coaching staff. - Atlanta Hawks fan
In an interview on players tribune with q rich and d miles he says how you don’t get many players who are willing to sacrifice individual greatness (stats) for team success when talking about mark aguirre and vinnne johnson, the whole segment felt like he was taking shots at Dantley. He even praised Jordan for adjusting to the triangle and “learning how to win as a team”
You need to have a big enourmous and attrocious ego to: 1- prefer average a few more points and touches than a better position to win a championship 2- have a beef with another player decades after you retirement
On paper, Aguirre and Dantley were pretty similar. But then you add that one was ready to fall in line and the other not as much, the trade makes sense.
As a born and raised Chicagoan, I hated Detroit, hated their team, hated their city, even those cousins from Detroit 😂 But I gotta give this one to Thomas, I don't think he made the demand to get the trade. Gotta remember, this was around the time Oakley got traded for Cartwright, and Jordan was seething mad at Krause for this. If Jordan couldn't have stopped a trade, don't think Thomas could have begged for it to happen.
A note on the Oakley trade. Jordan at that point didn't have the influence he would later gain after winning a few chips. Remember when they were planning to trade Pippen in the mid 90s and Jordan stopped that from happening?
I honestly don’t think there’s a single channel in the same subsection of RUclips as Secret Base that puts out anything even half as good as this, and this is literally just your average SB video
I feel badly for both. Isiah was vilified. Dantley retired without a ring. Isiah is the reason I found basketball after being a baseball and football fan as a younger child. Yet, I cosigned how John Salley felt the night they completed the sweep of LA. I’m conflicted for sure.
That 30 for 30 was excellent. I remember hearing Mark Aguirre describe himself as better than AD, and laughing. There is only one person who believes that - Mark Aguirre.
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 But that's also not what Aguirre was saying. I agree he is a better fit for the Pistons than AD was, but he was saying he was just a better player than AD which is factually false.
Adrian Dantley was traded after an INTERVIEW revealed Dantley's priorities were incompatible with team goals. Dantley notoriously said: "I know what gets you paid in this league, and it AIN'T REBOUNDING!!", among other things. Dantley was on the trade bubble, and the interviewer drew Dantley out, regarding his teammates, priorities, long term views. It turned out he wasn't on the same page with the rest of the guys.
This same drawing out technique was used in Sekou Doumbouya's LAST Interview as a Piston. Sekou repeatedly said "Whatever happens, happens." As we know, the Pistons want LIFERS, not guys with one foot out the door. Sekou
Dantley was the predecessor of Allen Iverson with Detroit and that definitely wasn't going to work. Only 2 teams have a "team first" attitude is the Spurs and Pistons. Two World class organizations in the NBA that practiced that form of professional basketball.
@@doriandenard5846 This is why, Low-Key, last season's Pistons-Spurs "BIG COVID" GAME was a SHOWCASE!! The NBA put CASEY BBALL vs POPOVICH BBALL, and both Coaches HAD TO... HAD TO use MAKESHIFT ROSTERS. The players HAD to rely on their knowledge of THEIR SYSTEM instead of their teammate. IT WAS A BATTLE OF COACHING SYSTEMS; WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO "PLUG AND PLAY" THEIR WAY TO VICTORY!!
@@doriandenard5846 So that game was a true Classic Coaches Battle. Last season was the FIRST season with FIFTEEN PLAYERS aval. Top Coaches, Top Systems(?), Class.
Less discussed than most aspects of this feud, but it always fascinates me how some of these famous people, not just in sports, but music and entertainment too, can hold onto a grudge 30 years after you've stopped associating with that other person. I know I've worked with people where I didn't like them, or didn't like what they stand for, but 10 years later, they're not part of my life anymore, and I just have nothing to say about them. Not my place to tell AD how to live, but jeez, haven't you had a pretty good life no matter what Isiah might have said?
I had the privilege of watching AD when he was with the Jazz and real talk AD could flat out ball! Everyone knows Stockton and Malone were the 2 hall of famers that was the cornerstones of the Jazz success during there time in the League and if it wasn't for Dantley the first (UTAH )Jazz SUPERSTAR and the fans didn't come out to see AD, Darell "Dr. Dunkenstein" Griffith, Ricky Green as the core of that 84 team that first made the playoffs that year, if you recall the Jazz played quite a few home games in Las Vegas those early days in Utah then Jazz would have been In Las Vegas by the 1985-86 season due to Larry H Millers wanting to move the Jazz or sale the Jazz to Vegas or buyers from Vegas. Think about this the Jazz at one time had Dantley, Malone, Stockton, Drafted Dominique Wilkins who wanted no part of playing in Utah and had the #1 pick in 1979 but traded the rights to the Lakers who picked some guy nicknamed "Magic" from Michigan State.
Isiah Thomas was basically the CP3 of 80’s. Leader, floor general, high IQ, loud mouth. If your not on his team you hate him, if your on his team you despise him, especially if you were ex-team mates! I respect them both tbh, we need and love rivalries, it makes it more memorable and competitive.
YES! OF COURSE we could hear the enthusiasm in your voice for the 100th episode... it's OBVIOUS you had on a party hat and, if I interpreted your tone correctly, you had a cake AND some ice cream... I think WE ALL could tell you had a little party for the occasion... you don't need to tell us, trust me, WE KNOW... lol! Love this channel and love these vids! Keep up the awesome work!!!
It's hard to say. They were obviously right there in '88, with Isiah's ankle, the Laimbeer phantom foul, and the Lakers fans storming the court in their last possession of Game 7 (this last one is never brought up for some reason), working against them. They were doing well with Dantley in '89, but they certainly hit another gear after the Aguirre trade. I feel like their relatively pedestrian (for a championship squad) first half kind of obscures how crazy dominant the Bad Boys were that season. From the 40-game mark through the end of the playoffs, they went 52-7. The only home loss in that stretch was in the playoffs against, you know, prime Michael Jordan (who also handed them their only other playoff loss). They definitely clicked with Aguirre on the team.
They had to make that trade for the sake of team chemistry. Dantley was becoming a pain in the ass. Aguirre made it work, and then the Pistons were ready for the title.
@@Jeff_Pryce Agree The pistons wasn’t going to win the Title with Dantley his style of play wasn’t it Isaiah Thomas new this every thing clicked when they made the trade for mark back to back Titles
Wanted to add everyone that narrates at secret base but I really love the narration by this young lady. She's good & I like the dry humor she adds in the narration.
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Even Joe Dumars who was ADs best friend on the team said to Adrian a while after the trade .. " I hated to see you go but I sure am getting the ball a lot more as we move the ball around better as you tended to hold onto the ball too long". And Dumars was finals MVP their first title in 1989.
Joe Dumars was absolutely right!
@@knight9k does anybody really care about that? Detroit fans don't give a rats ass about Jordan.
@@knight9k they would have probably sooner
@@knight9k they never won a title with AD
@@DK-bk1vq can't tell seems he still occupying space from your comment.....keep living I could really careless getting that reaction was worth it.... 😅😂
Everything Clara touches on this channel turns to gold. This series is phenomenal
I don't know if I'm crazy but she is definitely the next, if not better than Doris Burke. She is such a fire orator/journalist.
shes the worst narrator
Nah, Seth is better.
This is trash and you know it. Isiah = Superposition Principle. Pistons proved that they didn't need AD to win a thing, and I loved AD as a scorer.
She should touch ESPN because that shits imploding 😅
Beef history never disappoints
But Clara annoying ah voice always disapoint
@@muhammadfarhan581 L take
@@muhammadfarhan581 shutup
@@muhammadfarhan581Clara is the best one. What are you talking about??
Besides the terrible voice substituting the other guys
I had a feeling that they would do this one because this was perfect! I remember Dantley refusing to go to the Mavericks after the trade was made.
I was probably a bit younger at the time, but what did he do or say? lol
You would have thought he would have been happy to go
@@ericthomas917 going from a team that was 3 points from a title to a team that had no chance of ever getting to the finals in that decade or the next? why in the world would a competitive player who wanted a ring ever be happy about that?
@@Darthtanos well not exactly true. The Mavericks were one game shy of reaching the finals in 1988 so they weren't a bad team at all. But I can see why he didn't want to go there based off of his background with the Pistons.
Do players have no say where they are traded to? I am not from the US and this trading concept still baffles me, it's like human trafficing.
What makes this beef so funny is that Dantley actually envisioned a scenario where he could actually prevail against Detroit's franchise player. Thomas def had some influence in getting Dantley traded but he prob didn't need to do too much because Dantley kept digging his own grave deeper and deeper.
Agguire was more of a swing man who could score off the break. He wasn't a huge dunker but he had this kinda statue of liberty stance while going up for a layup. Very crafty player
@@jareddavidmanifold313 Aguirre was willing to sacrifice his stats when Dennis Rodman was emerging as a defensive stopper & eventual starter as Detroit counted on Rodman's defense against just about anyone, and especially in the 4th quarter.
@@JanetMarieRose73 that is correct.
@@JanetMarieRose73 Unlike Dantley, Aguirre had been close and realized that his career would be enhanced by the winning he couldn't quite do in Dallas. Dantley never sniffed what Aguirre ironically did a round before the Pistons in '88 against the Lakers as the LEAD DOG. I love the Lakers, but we did catch a break with Aguirre getting hurt in Game 7 against Dallas.
I just can't see any1 else being captain of that team other than Zeke. He was the inner button of the heart he owned his opponents nearly everytime out.
In the book “The Franchise” by Cameron Stauth, which chronicled the Pistons 88-89 season, what Dantley said to Thomas at halfcourt was “I’ll never forgive you for what you did to me.”
That seems accurate
It was more Chuck Daly than Thomas...he got tried of his attitude...Dantley was fun to watch but a pain in the ass..that`s he changed teams every few years
I’m so glad Thomas was let out of the Dream Team.
Nobody liked that little sucker
I don't know, seems a lot more was said then that. It was like 30 seconds of him talking.
He talked very very slow...
11 words in 3 minutes... 😮
if you watched the 30 for 30 about the Bad Boy Pistons, you've heard about this beef.. but only Secret Base can properly break down this beef 💯
The Bad Boys 30 for 30 is still the best in the series
No she did not properly breakdown the beef she was actually sounded kind of biased like she was on Adrian dantley side. And the finals they lost against the Lakers she failed to mention the bad foul call against Bill Laimbeer
@@andrejamison2723 I get your point, but this video isn't about them losing the finals and the phantom foul call, it's about 2 players that didn't like each other, Laimbeer has nothing to do with the beef between these 2 guys. That's what the 30 for 30 is for, why cover something that's already been covered?
@Danny Tallmage wtf are you talking about?
@@andrejamison2723 if pistons win that finals, Dantley the finals MVP
Dantley refs basketball games in my area. Super nice guy, and a rlly good ref. (I’m taking back my previous comment, he just missed a terrible call and lost us the game. He’s a bad ref but still a great player)
Was a crossing guard too
he did it for the health insurance
Nice guy?
@@dshooter6391 ..Great man
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I’ll have to take your word!
My favorite quote is Mark Aguirre saying, “Oh I’m better than Dantley” in the “Bad Boys” documentary
Talent wise Dantley is better
But Mark should be a HOFer too, had a great career in college at DePaul and was the first star of the Mavericks.
Then won titles with Pistons.
@@acnicodemus4734 Depaul*
I loved that too! So great, and keeping it real. Just "I'm better than AD...player for player." :) gets me every time.
AD was unstoppable in his day
@@KentBlazemore No Aguirre played at Dedue, Dantly went to Purpaul.
Congrats on a Milestone in Beef History, SB! Always been a fan of your channel, and this series never disappoints! Here's to 100 more!
I love when Clara Morris does these! The tone in her voice is perfect.
Literally perfect. "I recorded this while wearing a party hat but you could probably tell from my voice" lmao
@@unfocuseded her jokes are always on time😂
#factoid
On God… perfection 🔥🤌🏾
The voice of beef!
Dantley spent more time pointing the finger than building chemistry. He thought the world revolves around him and if he could have had made power to trade players I bet he would have done so.
That kareem “foul” was the only thing keeping isiah from his moment in that game 6. If only they had challenges back then.
That was a reputation foul. Laimbeer got that call because of how he was known as the Baddest Bad Boy.
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 most def
@@qweeafghnjfg I doubt they’d reverse it tbh. They don’t reverse many even today.
The challenge was an elbow to the face the next trip down the floor 😂
This was great. The Bad Boys 30 for 30 was one of the best sports docs I've ever seen. I gotta side is Isiah on this one. That part in the doc when AD didn't want to come out of the game and was screaming at Chuck Daley made me think AD's ego and pride was poison for any team.
Great as was, Dantley had an ego and felt he could carry his team. Difference was, Detroit had other offensive weapons, Utah, not so much.
Exactly. Every star who has won a championship says they need to make sacrifices. Jordan had to give up points for the Triangle Offense to get his rings. Magic could have scored 35,40 points nightly if he wanted to, but he opted to facilitate on offense, and it made the Lakers the Team of the 80s. Kobe had to learn to share with Shaq for his first 3 rings. LeBron had to give up the ball so he could win in Miami with Wade and Bosh.
AD had those rings in his grasp. All he had to do was check his ego at the door and do whatever the team needed him to do. He couldn’t do that. Instead, he opted to complain and start a war with the team’s biggest star AND the head coach. When that happens, you pretty much stamp your own ticket out of that town.
@@Amick44 Utah had Karl Malone, Ricky Green and still had a Young John Stockton on the bench. They would’ve easily had one of the best front courts in the league. AD wore out his welcome as he was known to do
@@TommyGibbs1 plus, Dantley was right in his prime. Karl was an up and coming young star. He was the future.
@@Amick44 Yes that Utah team might’ve been able to seriously compete had Dantley been more of a team player
The Pistons in the 80's are said to be bad boys, but I remember being excited by their games aiming for victory even if they were unrefined...
Chuck Daly, who led the Bad Boys to victory, is also wonderful.
You always rooted for them to lose , though
@@angelusgnz5784 I’m I’m I’m I’m
Zeke could have had something to do with the trade but Dantley literally cried about getting touches from game 1 when he came to Detroit. Trying to have a winning team with chemistry issues only works in certain cases, Aguirre wasn't a problem on the team so the trade makes sense. Aguirre later saying in an interview that he was way better than Dantley anyway was always a fun wrinkle to this.
And Aguirre was willing to give up time to allow Rodman to blossom & be the great defender.
They took a real chance trading for Aguirre though. Dude's reputation as a teammate wasn't really much better than Dantley's. I think the biggest if not the only reason that was able to work was because of his longtime friendship with Zeke.
Here’s my thing. A.D. walked through the door like he was the star of the franchise. One of the biggest problems is someone thinking they are more important than they actually are. I honestly wouldn’t care if Zeke did influence trading him. Cuz you can never be on the same team as a guy that swears it’s his team when it’s so obvious it isn’t.
@@Riles3152 true. I also believe by that time, Aguirre had had enough of being a big scorer who didn't really have a chance to win a championship. So he welcomed his role in Detroit which was still considerable. He was ready to win. And probably felt assured of his stature after being a main man in Dallas.
@@thewriter8762 3rd leading scorer of the entire decade - he was definitely as important as he thought he was. His mistake was thinking he would get his way over Thomas
I’m a simple lad. I get a secret base noti, open video, hear Clara or Seth, click like, then click play and ALWAYS enjoy.
The story is usually told wrong. It was a little known rookie named Dennis Rodman who first made the "comment about Bird." Isaiah Thomas was quoting Rodman. Listen to the original recording on tape.
You are correct. Isaiah didn't start it. Rodman was an unknown quantity to most of the World then, just a scrappy young guy from a small college introduced to a college coach when the coach's son met him one day at an arcade. That's all anyone outside of the NBA knew about him. Isaiah was trying to protect him.
Dantley wanted the spotlight. Thomas and Chuck Daly wanted a team
When that era of Pistons added a new player via free agency or trade, the first thing that happened was Isiah and Laimbeer took the guy out for dinner and laid it out for them about what it took to be a part of the team. Dantley clearly didn't buy into that.
Perfect observation.
Keep that same energy for the dream team and stop D riding your boyfriend Cry-saih
Clara videos make me really happy. I'm not even a basketball fan but beef in basketball is really unique in how it play out so I enjoy these videos regardless. Clara's excellent narration skills make these stories just as great, though.
Facts, she's the best narrator
I just rewatched the Lance Armstrong-Greg LeMond beef history. Clara’s storytelling and quick bits of humor were memorable.
@@eriklakeland3857 easily one of the best beef history’s ever
Awful and cringe.
I remember how some comments were so negative on her in her first few videos. I'm glad to see ppl give her due respect
Dantley was a notorious ball hog, he was almost like the Carmelo or Iverson of his era where he was definitely a gifted scorer but that was the primary thing he added, and his method of scoring I think often stunted teams' growth as opposed to a Michael Jordan or someone like that who was much more active in other aspects, and his scoring was always more essential to his team, and he involved his teammates much more than a lot of other great scorers.
That's true but AD was also an extremely hard worker so it's fair for him to believe he should have more touches
AD was efficient also. Didn't take long jumpers alot.
Yes you are correct... Pistons tried to use AD like Worthy... when they needed a bucket Zeke would go to him AD didn't like that case in point... BALL HOG😂
Remembered Dantley play when i was a kid rooting for the Lakers. Yes, he was a ball hog ala Trae Young. When he played the Lakers, Michael Cooper would shut him down cold.
@@luigivincenz3843 Coop shut down AD? AD ate Green alive in the 88 Finals... I highly doubt rail-thin Cooper would fare better guarding AD... If there's anybody who could shut AD down, it was Worthy
MJ vs Isaiah, Kobe vs Shaq, Dame vs Russ, that's what I'm looking forward to future beef episodes. Congratulations on the 100th episode, you never fail.
Shaq and Kobe has already been covered by Secret Base or at least a good portion of it
lol we know about those beefs you literally ain’t going to hear something new 😂
I can't for the detailed version of MJ vs Isaiah. We know the beef exists and a lot of why...but Secret Base's detailed stories are best!
@@mrfreez33 yes, nobody does it better than SB.
Isiah the only one to have a winning record vs MJ.
Great video as always, but Isiah didn't originally say the Bird comment. Dennis Rodman said it, then Isiah repeated it. b/c he was the star, he got the brunt of the drama
Isiah could have just said “no comment” to that stupid thing Rodman said and saved himself that headache.
@@broaddusmarines He said that in the 30 for 30 episode he wished he didn't repeat what Rodman said.
In any other case they're not wrong but bird just happened to be the goat of white players... until luka
@Anthony Broaddus stupid? Bird, great as he was, was a notorious case of Great White Deification
@@broaddusmarines him not backing up his teammate, when dennis was an emotional person who needed guidance and family most at that time, would destroy team chemistry and made rodman think he didnt have anyone siding him. In both their retrospect rodman admitted it was bad on his part.
This is my favorite narrator. She has the perfect amount of professionalism and snark. With a side of snide. And extra dash of snark. It's perfect tone, delivery and pace. Oh, did I mention snark?
Hate the staff cuts, and that some of it affected Secret Base. Hope the content keeps coming in spite of the losses, and that those who were laid off can bounce back quickly.
wait, what happened?
^
Vox media laid off 7% of staff that includes some SB Nation staff
Really?,
Sorry, run that by us again?
Adrian Dantley is from where I grew up. He works as a crossing guard and youth ref super nice dude
Congrats on 100 episodes of BEEF episodes!!
Boy this channel is slowly becoming a Pistons channel. Which I love.
Adrian dantley once reffed my youth basketball game. Super nice and good guy.
Good episode! ~from a 45 year old guy who was born, raised & still lives in Detroit.
As a fan of the Bad Boys, getting Adrian Dantley and getting rid of garbage like Tripucka and Benson was the beginning of good times. Signing Sidney Green and drafting Rodman and Salley transformed the Pistons from losers to winners. Hell, Mahorn lost weight. It was on. Adrian Dantley was a valuable member of the Detroit Pistons and I truly believed the Pistons would have won the championship in 1989 with him on the team but championships require chemistry and had AD stayed on the team in 1990 they may not repeated. Add in the Rodman factor and smart fans understood why A.D. had to go.
No. He didn't fit. He was a defensive liability and couldn't run the floor. We don't beat the Lakers with Worthy or Boston with Bird or even the Bulls without Rodman playing major closing minutes.
He was a bad fit on the court which likely accelerated the off court issues
Tripuka was a good scorer right?
That's exactly the same reason why jordan and others didn't want zeke on the dream team, but when it comes to the dream team and zeke, piston fans ain't trying to hear it
@@mostmost1 very good. Weak on D. Aguirre was too. But by the time they got him, Detroit had a strong defense around him.
Awesome series. I'm waiting for the day when we get a Karim Benzema-Didier Deschamps beef history.
Never heard of them
Can’t believe Dantley had all that beef over 3 FGA a game. That’s insane.
Btw can you please make a Collapse video about the Bad Boy Pistons and also the 1996 Seattle SuperSonics (take the latter all the way until they moved to OKC)?
Kinda tragic, because the 94 & 95 Sonics were better than the Houston Rockets (Kenny Smith admits this), they just didn't meet in the playoffs. After 1996, management, in an move so stupid and disrespectful, refused to pay Shawn Kemp, their perennial All-Star what he was worth, while overpaying scrubs and stiffs. And the Sonics never really recovered as an organization (trading for an alcoholic Vin Baker didn't help... which Boston found out as well couple of years later), and basketball left Seattle. Yeah, there's a good Collapse video there.
@@ergoat Sonics choked hard in 94 and 95, loosing in the first round to an 8th seed Denver and getting walloped by Nick the Quick and an inferior Lakers team isn't a good look for a title contender.
Not paying Kemp is pretty stupid though I wonder how much that had to do with his coke addiction.
@@CrazyxEnigma idk about 95, but 94 yeah, is a choke job, but it's also one of those rare instances where the 8th seed is about the worse possible matchup for the #1. See also 07 Mavs.
@@ergoat After looking it up 95 was also a first round exit. Granted Sonics didn't have best record or anything this year, still only won 1 game against the Lakers though and their best players were Cedric Ceballos and Nick Van Exel who Payton couldn't keep in check and gave them a whooping.
@@CrazyxEnigma Wild. I'll have to look into that. Certainly a vast difference from the 93 Sonics that took Barkley & the Suns to 7 games and the 96 Sonics.
Without question Mark Aguirre to Detroit is one of the most overlooked impactful trade ever in NBA history because he was the perfect fit for that Bad Boy Pistons team and a guy like him completes the puzzle eventuall resulted in 2 championships unlike Adrian Dantley who would always slows down the offense.
No wonder why Dantley was always labeled a loser throughout his career because his playstyle is so polarizing which is why he deserves to leave the game without holding the Larry O'Brien trophy and even wear a championship ring.
Carmelo Anthony is just the 2000's version of Adrian.
What about 1988? He would’ve been the MVP if it weren’t for the “phantom foul” on Bill Laimbeer in Game 6 of that finals.
@@pedroaugustocosta2533 interesting take. I don't hate it.
not only that, mark knew when it was time to let rodman shine, and that the team needed that especially on defense. whereas ad didnt
Is that why they won playoff games without him and only lost by a handful of points? The idiocy in this statement is astounding.
Clara really excels in the narration on these.
I've waited for this beef for so long. Growing up in Toledo Ohio during the 80s n 90s, we got Pistons on Fox Sports Detroit (and Cavs for Fox Sports Ohio) and I grew up with the beef marinating, simmering, hell even sloooooooow smoked ...and now boys, now we...savor
Pistons won 2 titles trading Dantley. Not only Mark Aguirre but gave Rodman more playing time as well as team chemistry.
Pistons have been a constant in the history of Beef History and you love to see it
Dantley wore out his welcome EVERYWHERE HE WENT. Not just Detroit. Dude was the picture in the dictionary of the word 'malcontent'. Incredibly unique talent...a 6'5" guy who dominated in the post and lived on the FT line, but just a selfish, me guy.
Exactly. Dantley was all about his numbers first.
Aguirre was willing to split minutes with Rodman (a defensive force) and he could get his points within the rhythm of the offense. They didn't have to run an isolation heavy offense with him as the mainfocus.
@@BassGuitar4life I've always suspected that Zeke's real intervention in the Dantley -Aguirre trade was to have a real heart to heart talk with his old friend from Chicago explaining to him the lay of the land in Detroit and what he needed to do and accept to fit into the system. Aguirre's reputation before coming to Detroit wasn't much better than Dantley's as far as being a locker room problem. But somewhere along that long flight to Detroit Mark found some enlightenment about being a team player.
@@BassGuitar4lifeI think Aguirre gave his starting spot to Rodman.
Congrats on 100 episodes of beef history 🎉🎉 I remember discovering you guys sitting on my break in a target parking lot a couple years ago and it became a routine to have some beef with my lunch. Best sports segment on RUclips
You ate lunch in a Target parking lot?
@@zeetty ya I worked there for a bit lol, it was next to a bunch of places to eat so I would order pickup on grubhub then sit in or on my car if it was nice out and watch some beef history
Excellent video, and congrats on the 100 episodes! A few random points of interest:
-There have been a few comments about "wow, Isiah beefed with everyone." And it's pretty undeniable at this point that he made enemies, largely through his own doing. But less known is that he was elected president of the NBA Players Association in 1988. Not excusing anything he's done, just saying he very clearly had the respect of a large amount of the NBA, and it's more complicated than just "he was the league pariah."
-Most people who aren't outright anti-Bad Boys mention the Phantom Foul to end Game 6 of the '88 finals, but what's less noted is the Lakers fans storming the court in Game 7 during the Pistons' last possession, when it was a 3-point game.
-Like this video mentioned, the Pistons' '89 season was off to a solid start with Dantley, but they weren't running away with it or anything. Also, I feel like their overall record kind of hides just what an excellent run that team had from the season halfway point (right around where they gained Aguirre) up to winning the title. After starting 26-13, their combined regular-season and playoff record from the 40-game mark on was 52-8. They only lost at home once in that span, to the Bulls in Game 1 of the ECF (their only other playoff loss was in Chicago in Game 3).
Always love the Secret Base breakdown of every beef. Even if they're ones we know about, the detail and compilation of sources makes it so much more interesting to watch
Secretbase never disappoints. Word!
I watched the "bad boys" documentary and remembering Adrian saying he didn't like Isiah. Before he got to Detroit, he was "the guy" in Utah averaging like 30 points a game to being the "5th wheel" with the pistons. I know when he got traded to Dallas in the middle of the 88-89 season that eventually got the pistons their first chip that he could've squashed the beef and got his opportunity to get his only ring and didn't happen
One of the best 30 for 30s they made. Impressive since they are all really good.
What a pleasure to hear such a talented and professional voice over artist, along with excellent audio engineering.
After Detroit beat the Celtics in 88 they interviewed IT and he said that he's happy for Adrian dantley and nobody deserves to play in the finals more than him. It seems at this point they were still cool with each other.
Need that isiah vs. Jordan beef
That would need to be a three-parter.
We would be here for a week... 😂😂😂 It would be a Pistons vs Bulls beef..
Pistons vs Bulls in 80s/90s
@@JanetMarieRose73 the pistons on the Bulls
MIKE MCCARTHY VS AARON RODGERS BEEF
BEEN ASKING FOR YEARS
Finally a basketball youtuber without an annoying voice, who moves at a chill pace. Love it
As a kid growing up in Detroit, I was a huge fan of AD & Zeke was my fav NBA player ..I was sad to see AD go & couldnt understand why we let him go, but after the New Bad Boys started winning big, I understood
Great work. Just funny how Dantley always insists Isiah as the one who wanted him gone, but completely ignoring the fact that the HEAD COACH wanted him gone and was quoted saying so. Silly really
Well that and Jack McCluskey himself said trading Dantley was his idea, not Isiah's. Regardless, if other players on the team were sad that he got traded, they got over it pretty fast.
@@75aces97
There is a book called The Franchise that was written about the 88-89 Pistons by a guy who had inside access.
Dumars was particularly close to Dantley as was Salley. They were both initially upset about the trade. Additionally, Isiah wasn't thrilled because he knew Aguirre could be moody. He, Laimbeer, and Vinnie Johnson sat Aguirre down when he came to town and made it crystal clear that no diva attitude would be accepted.
And yes...both McCloskey and Daly wanted Dantley gone mainly because of his attitude and the fact that his offense style just clashed with the rest of the roster.
Or not blaming himself for his actions. He has not once taken accountability for his role in anything. It's about winning. Zeke could have average 30 if he wanted, but he valued winning.
Daly may have wanted him gone but it isnt out of the realm kf possibility that he said that to protect zeke....tho i believe all 3 wanted him gone
@@andrejamison2723 thats what a lot of people dont realize when they do these player comparisons. Like Stockton vs Isiah or CP3 vs Isiah. Isiah was smart enough to realize that in order for his team to win he would have to sacrifice his stats for that to happen. His greatest ability is his leadership qualities and it was always about winning with Isiah. Meanwhile you have guys like Westbrook and Harden who rack up the great numbers but can never win anything even tho they had teams good enough to win. Same with CP3 and Stockton.
Congrats on 100 episodes! One of the best channels on RUclips right here.
These are the beefs I want. The ones I had no idea about but wish I did.
Finally Y’all listened to me… I been wanted to hear about this…
My girl,
you're a fantastic storyteller!
This beef sounds eerily similar to what is currently going on in Atlanta, between John Collins versus Trae Young & the coaching staff.
- Atlanta Hawks fan
Never seen that WILD Daly quote before gd
Excellent video as always.
The moment I hear Clara Morris' voice I know its gonna be a good episode. Shes such a good story teller
Weirdly specific pandering, for a comment.
The opposite is true. Her episode on Kevin Garnett is the most dogshit, inflammatory, unwatchable video on this channel.
In an interview on players tribune with q rich and d miles he says how you don’t get many players who are willing to sacrifice individual greatness (stats) for team success when talking about mark aguirre and vinnne johnson, the whole segment felt like he was taking shots at Dantley. He even praised Jordan for adjusting to the triangle and “learning how to win as a team”
Who would have ever imagined Isaiah being involved in beef.
Who would imagine Dantley in a beef and getting traded? Shocking.
@@CatsClaw44 Two All Beef Patties, with SPECIAL SAUCE!
I see what you did there….
Beef History: Isiah Thomas VS EVERYONE!!!!
You need to have a big enourmous and attrocious ego to:
1- prefer average a few more points and touches than a better position to win a championship
2- have a beef with another player decades after you retirement
Definitely one of the best voice-over talents on RUclips. Another great story of beef.
How is that Beef History has gone on for so long and your just NOW doing one on Isiah Thomas!?
On paper, Aguirre and Dantley were pretty similar. But then you add that one was ready to fall in line and the other not as much, the trade makes sense.
Love all these beef NBA videos but especially the older beefs. 80’s 90’s and early 2000s
AD didn't get too bad of a deal. Multimillionaire and a Hall of Famer. Not too shabby.
As a born and raised Chicagoan, I hated Detroit, hated their team, hated their city, even those cousins from Detroit 😂 But I gotta give this one to Thomas, I don't think he made the demand to get the trade. Gotta remember, this was around the time Oakley got traded for Cartwright, and Jordan was seething mad at Krause for this. If Jordan couldn't have stopped a trade, don't think Thomas could have begged for it to happen.
A note on the Oakley trade. Jordan at that point didn't have the influence he would later gain after winning a few chips. Remember when they were planning to trade Pippen in the mid 90s and Jordan stopped that from happening?
If Zeke didn’t force the trade he was certainly ok with it.
@@CharleyIV He was smart to be okay with it
@@CCEkeke FACTS. I was a Seattle SuperSonics fan. They were trading Pippen FOR SHAWN KEMP. That deal was done and everyone knew it
Congrats on the beef history milestone. Love the videos, keep em coming
I honestly don’t think there’s a single channel in the same subsection of RUclips as Secret Base that puts out anything even half as good as this, and this is literally just your average SB video
I feel badly for both. Isiah was vilified. Dantley retired without a ring. Isiah is the reason I found basketball after being a baseball and football fan as a younger child. Yet, I cosigned how John Salley felt the night they completed the sweep of LA. I’m conflicted for sure.
Secret Base LOVES the Pistons, and i’m here for it.
That 30 for 30 was excellent. I remember hearing Mark Aguirre describe himself as better than AD, and laughing. There is only one person who believes that - Mark Aguirre.
AD was the better player, but Aguirre was the better fit for the Pistons.
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 But that's also not what Aguirre was saying. I agree he is a better fit for the Pistons than AD was, but he was saying he was just a better player than AD which is factually false.
Please do more, love y’all’s show it’s fun to watch.
The Jordan vs Isiah beef history will be EPIC!!!
Karma came back to haunt isaiah on the form of a Dream Team snub…
AD was truly a monster player.
Adrian Dantley was traded after an INTERVIEW revealed Dantley's priorities were incompatible with team goals. Dantley notoriously said: "I know what gets you paid in this league, and it AIN'T REBOUNDING!!", among other things. Dantley was on the trade bubble, and the interviewer drew Dantley out, regarding his teammates, priorities, long term views. It turned out he wasn't on the same page with the rest of the guys.
This same drawing out technique was used in Sekou Doumbouya's LAST Interview as a Piston. Sekou repeatedly said "Whatever happens, happens." As we know, the Pistons want LIFERS, not guys with one foot out the door. Sekou
Dantley was the predecessor of Allen Iverson with Detroit and that definitely wasn't going to work. Only 2 teams have a "team first" attitude is the Spurs and Pistons. Two World class organizations in the NBA that practiced that form of professional basketball.
@@doriandenard5846 This is why, Low-Key, last season's Pistons-Spurs "BIG COVID" GAME was a SHOWCASE!!
The NBA put CASEY BBALL vs POPOVICH BBALL, and both Coaches HAD TO... HAD TO use MAKESHIFT ROSTERS.
The players HAD to rely on their knowledge of THEIR SYSTEM instead of their teammate.
IT WAS A BATTLE OF COACHING SYSTEMS; WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO "PLUG AND PLAY" THEIR WAY TO VICTORY!!
@@doriandenard5846 So that game was a true Classic Coaches Battle.
Last season was the FIRST season with FIFTEEN PLAYERS aval.
Top Coaches, Top Systems(?), Class.
@@bballgriot4060 😂😂😂 . Point made
Good video. I remember this somewhat but you certainly reminded me of some things I had forgotten.
Clara and SB are incredible storytellers!
Thank you Clara. May there be 100 more!
I was looking forward to this one. And it did not disappoint one bit. 👏 let it be known that Isiah is ans still is the Goat in Detroit.
FRESH BEEF!!! I needed this at work today! Thanks 🙂
Less discussed than most aspects of this feud, but it always fascinates me how some of these famous people, not just in sports, but music and entertainment too, can hold onto a grudge 30 years after you've stopped associating with that other person. I know I've worked with people where I didn't like them, or didn't like what they stand for, but 10 years later, they're not part of my life anymore, and I just have nothing to say about them.
Not my place to tell AD how to live, but jeez, haven't you had a pretty good life no matter what Isiah might have said?
Leaf is to Leaves as Beef is to Beeves. Congrats on 100. I'll watch 100 more. Clara rocks.
I had the privilege of watching AD when he was with the Jazz and real talk AD could flat out ball! Everyone knows Stockton and Malone were the 2 hall of famers that was the cornerstones of the Jazz success during there time in the League and if it wasn't for Dantley the first (UTAH )Jazz SUPERSTAR and the fans didn't come out to see AD, Darell "Dr. Dunkenstein" Griffith, Ricky Green as the core of that 84 team that first made the playoffs that year, if you recall the Jazz played quite a few home games in Las Vegas those early days in Utah then Jazz would have been In Las Vegas by the 1985-86 season due to Larry H Millers wanting to move the Jazz or sale the Jazz to Vegas or buyers from Vegas. Think about this the Jazz at one time had Dantley, Malone, Stockton, Drafted Dominique Wilkins who wanted no part of playing in Utah and had the #1 pick in 1979 but traded the rights to the Lakers who picked some guy nicknamed "Magic" from Michigan State.
Dantley was criminally Underrated,most efficient small forward of 80's in the NBA along with Nique,English and King,but A.D won 2 scoring titles.
Isiah Thomas was basically the CP3 of 80’s. Leader, floor general, high IQ, loud mouth. If your not on his team you hate him, if your on his team you despise him, especially if you were ex-team mates! I respect them both tbh, we need and love rivalries, it makes it more memorable and competitive.
A few Major Differences, IT won against a prime MJ, Prime Bird and Prime Magic. IT is beloved in Detroit. CP3 ain't loved anywhere.
@@ragsriches8213 IT didn’t beat prime Jordan
@@t0xichunter919 88 and 89 and 90 Jordan are some of his best versions before the 3 peat
@@t0xichunter919 he was the whole reason mj couldn’t get out of the east lmao
Not Cp3. IT was way better
New upload of Beef History on my birthday. Excellent!
100? Hell yeah!! Here’s to 100 more🎉and a 100 more great episodes after that
YES! OF COURSE we could hear the enthusiasm in your voice for the 100th episode... it's OBVIOUS you had on a party hat and, if I interpreted your tone correctly, you had a cake AND some ice cream... I think WE ALL could tell you had a little party for the occasion... you don't need to tell us, trust me, WE KNOW... lol! Love this channel and love these vids! Keep up the awesome work!!!
If they did not trade for Aguirre, they probably not have won the championships imo.
It's hard to say. They were obviously right there in '88, with Isiah's ankle, the Laimbeer phantom foul, and the Lakers fans storming the court in their last possession of Game 7 (this last one is never brought up for some reason), working against them.
They were doing well with Dantley in '89, but they certainly hit another gear after the Aguirre trade. I feel like their relatively pedestrian (for a championship squad) first half kind of obscures how crazy dominant the Bad Boys were that season. From the 40-game mark through the end of the playoffs, they went 52-7. The only home loss in that stretch was in the playoffs against, you know, prime Michael Jordan (who also handed them their only other playoff loss). They definitely clicked with Aguirre on the team.
They had to make that trade for the sake of team chemistry. Dantley was becoming a pain in the ass. Aguirre made it work, and then the Pistons were ready for the title.
@@Jeff_Pryce Agree The pistons wasn’t going to win the Title with Dantley his style of play wasn’t it Isaiah Thomas new this every thing clicked when they made the trade for mark back to back Titles
Thank you Nancy Cartwright for narrating.
I absolutely LOVE Isaiah Thomas he had drama with EVERYBODY😄
He even backstabbed his own former BFF Magic, spreading rumors that Magic was bisexual after his HIV reveal.
It's not hard to beef with a guy who doesn't know how to close this mouth
Isaiah was so hated he couldn't play on the Dream Team since all the other NBA superstars said they'd refuse to play for USA if he was on the team.
@@Tyrunner0097 No he didn't
@@cariboubearmalachy1174No they didn’t. Only Jordan.
Congratulations on one hundred! This is one of the best channels on RUclips.
We need an XL Beef on
Bears v Packers
Yankees v Red Sox
Cubs v Cardinals
Celtics v Lakers
49ers v Seahawks
Steelers v Browns/Ravens
Lions vs Packers
You had to live in that time to truly understand the dynamics.i truly enjoyed the video tho and look forward to more content like this 👍
I feel no sympathy for Dantley. He talked his way, acted his way out of championships. I'm a huge Zeke fan and always will be.
Except Isiah Thomas is a sex pest
Zeke 2
Jordan 6
I hope you feel the same way ABOUT ZEKE and DREAM TEAM 1992..... cause KARMA struck hard on ZEKE
@@keithcrockett7838 Yeah, that's true. Zeke talked and acted his way out of the Dream Team.
Zeke is one of my all time favorite players, and I’m a born and raised laker fan
Love these videos. The moderators personality and voice sets it off perfectly! 🤣
When you have beef with more than one person you are the problem. But here, we have 2 beefers, that beef with anyone...
Wanted to add everyone that narrates at secret base but I really love the narration by this young lady. She's good & I like the dry humor she adds in the narration.