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He said black get out not whack... they got that wrong.. if u have ever played basketball u know they say the color of your jersey then your number on a foul call.. n if U r ejected they will say like red !! You are out! Then look at your number n say it or show it with fingers to the score keeper
Sheed has a point. Refs are ridiculous and almost trigger happy to call techs. Tim Duncan getting ejected by Joey Crawford for laughing at a joke a teammate said comes to mind instantly.
Don't think he was laughing at a teammate's joke. I think he was laughing at the repeated bad calls Joey Crawford was making, and after Crawford challenged Tim Duncan to a fight.
Or how about the time Joey Crawford ran over a Miami Heat player who was ready to take a 3-point shot in the closing seconds of a 1 point game Game 7 of the 2005 Eastern Conference Finals between the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons and called the foul against Chauncey Billips (please tell me if I’m wrong cause I remember watching a clip of it but I don’t remember when it happened, if the player Crawford ran over was on the Heat, if the in the closing seconds of a 1 point game, if the player was ready to take a shot, and if the shot was a 3 pointer)
@@dbag3345 I thought the same thing. I didn't watch Sheed's games and barely had internet at the time, so it was easier for that narrative to be shaped. Now I still don't believe that Donaghy was/is the only ref on the take.
At that point they're making Sheed up to be like Alex Jones. If I'm getting that level of bias, I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for. Props for him for staying "classy."
Refs said he was the hardest player to referee because, “he knew the rulebook better than anyone.” Sheed’s career is in need of real revisionist history. He was an absolute legend and an extremely smart player.
You can't throw out the best player on a team deep in the playoffs because he is looking at you. Refs who make themselves bigger than the game don’t deserve a job.
It's just more Lakers favoritism, same as what happened to the Kings in '02. The league even changed the damn playoff format mid-season to the first round being best of 7 when it looked like they were in trouble (even Charles Barkley called it "The Laker Rule").
Many refs were intimidated Sheed because he had a reputation of knowing practically every rule in the rulebook. I can easily imagine a ref getting a hurt ego, especially if theres a player that knows more than you.
That’s just insane that shows real passion right there not to just be a good player but to know all the rules of the game and make sure your team never gets cheated on bad calls
You won't believe this, but Wallace is not the career leader of technical fouls. That belongs to Karl Malone with 332 technical fouls. Malone was a player who got his calls, but always complained frequently on referees.
cpk1994 oh please, the NBA were rigging games left and right throughout the 2000s. You’re a clown if you don’t believe they were. It’s so transparent. Sheed was right, and stern was wrong, and that’s all there is to it.
@cpk1994 Wow i luv it how u reproduce the ideology u get told, so you never start thinkink critical...just keep growin up to live the damn boring live the old boys expect you to.... ...maybe thats why Jesus wanted us to become like childs againn??(:
Basketball is the easiest game in the world for referees to fix. You can add 10, 15, or even 20 points on to one team's score just by calling more fouls.
Have an acquaintance who is an NBA ref.. he told me the problem with Sheed was, when you go back to the tape he was almost always right. Crazy high basketball IQ
He was also a bit ahead of his time as a stretch 4, providing spacing that the Pistons desperately needed when Ben Wallace was on the court. People back then complained about him spending so much time on the 3-point line when he could take it inside and score there, but his ability to stretch the floor was vital to the Pistons offense. Nowadays it's considered almost vital that a 4 can shoot from range (doubly so if your center can't). Back then, not so much.
I knew that Rasheed made saying “ball don’t lie!” famous, but I didn’t realize he was the first one to do it. You learn something new everyday. Gotta love Sheed!
Rasheed was a true talent. He was tall, athletic, and a versatile shooter. He could play in the post and drop it from the perimeter. He was a pure passer and a team oriented player. The guy was always looking to help his teammates play at a higher level, and I loved watching him play. I'm a Lakers fan, but it really pissed me off when Wallace was tossed in game 1 of the 2000 playoffs....
"Whack! Get out!" is right up there with "Number 99 of the defense, he's giving him the business down there" for supremely technical (as it were) referee explanations.
That remains the most ridiculous public act by an official in the history of sports. I saw that when it happened and nearly fell out of my chair. Of all people, a ref challenged the most mild mannered player in the league to a fight.
YOU DARE LAUGH?!?!?!?!? In all seriousness, imagine if I were to tell you the one person ejected for laughing on the bench and later challenged to a fight by a referee for it was Tim Duncan. Literally the last person on earth to be considered a ref-baiter.
I don't wanna argue NOBODY........but Tim Duncan deserves whatever bad he gets. Everybody on the planet that watches the NBA and studies the officials "KNOWS", 2005 was Rasheed's 2nd ring in a row with the Pistons. Buttttttt if you were old enough to see the games "Live and kept up with the media" = They screwed Rasheed over, really bad...and the *darling of the NBA at the time was Timothy* - That's why he got a free ring and *he knew* he didn't deserve it, at all. *If you have 0 clue, upon what I'm talking about....don't say nothing....if you know what I'm talking about....then please feel free to add on* (awaiting the insults and arguments for stating FACTS)
When it comes to NBA player and ref interactions, there are two big factors: 1) Players are so empowered/entitled they complain about everything. Bad calls are frustrating, but concentrate on playing the game and let it go. Complaining isn't going to change the call. 2) Refs can be so insecure and drunk with power. If you treat the players like children, don't be surprised if they respond to you like children. The NBA is right to back the refs, but because the NBA is going to back the refs, some of them think they can instigate or escalate tension with players.
this, so much of this, both parties need to take their responsibility to the game more seriously. Best compliment a ref can receive is "Wait you reffed that game, I didn't even notice you" and a player's should be "Gee you were good", not "Gee you gave the ref what he deserved didn't you? Shame you only got to play 10 minutes and we lost"
When it comes to NBA player/ref interaction the player has absolutely no power. And with few well placed / not called foul (or even travel or any call} in right moment you turn the tide of entire game and potentially series. It was and will forver be fixed.
True, but how many have 317 career techs? His 41 in one season (2000-2001) may never be broken, because these days, one gets suspended after the 16th tech in a season.
Everyone on Donaghy's list has had problems with refs for their entire carrer that's why I will never believe he's the only one to fix games just the only one to get caught
You also didn't mention that in 2005, Rasheed was so hated by the Refs = He had to enter the game in the 2nd Half in Post Season Games. Meaning, the coach at the time thought it would've been in Rasheed's best interest to NOT play the 1st Half or he may have fouled out/or tossed.
As a Pistons fan Rasheed Wallace was one of my favorite players of all time besides Dennis Rodman but from those teams that won the championship Eastern Conference Finals in the NBA Championship Rashid Wallace Ben Wallace I love those guys two Hall of Famers in great defensive players
this is just like society. people want you to be blindly obedient, if you're not, if you stand up for what you believe in, they call you a trouble maker
4:54 same thing happened to me. Away game went for a layup just to get body checked to the floor. I was walking back to play defense because a dead ball happened staring in disbelief when this old ass ref tossed me for "intimidating him" the ref was 6 foot 5 and I was 5 foot 9 at best.
@Jason Carpenter that’s nuts! I’ve had similar things happen too, the refs when I was in like middle school were all old dudes who had nothing else to do.
I like the way you said it immediately embedded it’s way into basketball culture. I thought “ball don’t lie” was in Naismiths original handwritten rules. Considering it works and all.
He was part one of three series that I know for a fact was fixed, 2000 Western conference finals and the 2020 Western Conference Finals. Whenever Kobe and Shaq ran up against better teams the refs bailed them out, it was real shameful to watch. Shaq should have 1 ring because in 2006 they did it again with the Mavs /Heat when the refs made Dwade into MJ junior.
I was so stoked when he came to the Celtics even tho his best days were behind him by then. What a special player. He had a great interview w Bomani Jones on his Right Time podcast, it's from a few years ago but it just aired not too long ago, highly recommend
I think it’s insane that you get fined for criticizing the work of an integral figure of the game. Imagine getting fined for criticizing a chef for overcooking your food.
That aint even close to the same. The fans can criticize the refs as much as they want. They're the ones paying for tickets and merch. They're the ones that are the 'customer'. Wallace is an employee. A waiter that criticizes the chef would get in trouble. The customer doesn't. You just need to realize the players aren't the customers - they're employees.
@@simpleanswer8954 Perhaps... But to me this looks a lot more like middle management screwed something up, and an employee tells the customer that it was middle management's screw-up, and then middle management spends the rest of that employee's career jacking with his schedule, playing chickenshit games with him, writing him up for tiny technicalities, taking any excuse to lean on him... With upper management's tacit approval. Both the league's and the referees' reluctance to directly confront the empirical evidence of undeniable biases which jeopardize the integrity of the game is a terrible look. I really don't care about Rasheed Wallace, and certainly there are ways he undermined his own standing that were just unnecessary, but that doesn't in any way soften the fact that the league and the officials have consistently been out of line, and seem reluctant to do anything meaningful to address those problems.
@@don_5283 That sounds about right to me. I was just saying you have to adapt it to see this as an employee being punished for complaining about another employee to the customers.
This is why I like rugby's approach. Refs are held to a high standard, can have any judgement checked instantly on cameras, wear a mic and bodycam (so the crowd hears them talk with players) and are expected to explain any "controversial" reasoning on the spot if a captain asks. On the other hand, a ref's judgements are final. Players can and do get heavily penalised for disrespecting both officials and players, or a warning if it's not too serious. Just as players get penalised for bad conduct, so do referees - with severe fines if they are thought to be influencing outcomes. As a result, I can't think of any other sport with a similar level of respect that is shown to officials, let alone opposing teams. Nigel Owens was nominated for UK sports personality of the year several times as a referee, might have even won it. One of the most dangerous contact sports you can play, and you can be sent off the pitch for bad behaviour. Such a beautiful contrast
It's a catch 22. The refs play obvious favorites to people like Jordan, as well as having players they don't like. If you call the refs out for playing favorites, then refs put you on the 'do not like' list. I guess you just have to bribe... I MEAN be really nice to the refs. 🙄👌
karedeko I can’t believe how mentally vulnerable some NBA refs are. “I told him 3 times to stop staring at me” I’d much rather have a player staring at me than talking trash or getting all up in my face, that ref needs to get over himself
@@kenb.1096 So you are so weak that someone staring at you will intimidate you into changing how you ref a game? If a player stared at me I would ignore it and keep doing my job because they are not threatening me in any way.
The most infamous one for me was a game where Sheed was walking off the court at halftime and a ref blatantly baited him into saying something and immediately ejected him.
In sports. You should NEVER know the name of a ref. Unless you personally know or heard it, or they have had a long career and just beloved. I have NEVER known a refs name that was for a good reason.
I remember when Sheed was on the C's we had 4 of the top 5 tech recipients for the season; Sheed, Garnett, then Ron Artest (on LAL at the time?), then Perk and Pierce, but then, the C's are somewhat accustomed to ref bias.
The main problem with refs, in almost any sport is the lack of accountability. Refs have nothing to fear when making calls, no matter how ridiculous they are. If they knew they would be fined or suspended for certain calls if they were wrong, they would act completly different.
The YT channel formerly known as SB Nation do not LIE. This beef came from one of them steers that live a lavish life, getting massages, the best grass, the occasional beer. Top quality.
"He went to the bench feeling heated, down from his post up high. Over the boos of the crowd and the whistles, they all heard his famous cry: You can get two shots when a soft knight flops, but a ball will never lie. Poor Sheed can plead, while the refs play deaf, that a ball will never lie~."
He messed up the refs generationally to the point where saying "BALL DON'T LIE" even to the crowd will get you a tech even though its basic basketball philosophy. They literally give a tech to referencing Sheed.
@@BBTHEBEAST Those are exceptions. Those are series so lopsided that refs and the league could not affect the outcome. Series like 2003 LAL vs Spurs. 2004 LAL vs Detroit, 2009 Orlando vs Cleveland, 2011 LAL vs Mavs. All series in which Stern's favorite team lost, by landslides. Now compare that to all the close series that happen to have the bigger market team winning games by 1 or 2 points or possessions. In fact, this very video reminded me that Portland also had a huge disparity in free throws on game 7 of the western conference finals. Not a coincidence that most close games where won by the team that is most popular and generates more revenue. When the underdog won, they had to win by a landslide, to not give Stern, Donagy and the rest of th refs a chance.
This is why Sheed was my favorite and why I wore #30 through High school. My favorite Sheed moment was when he was on the Celtics, playing Orlando in the 2010 playoffs. He got sick of Dwight Howard bowling him over, so when Howard went to back Rasheed down and bump him out of the way, Sheed pulled the old Bullfighter "Olé" and started moving out of the way. So Howard (who was expecting to bump up against Sheeds chest) stumbled and fell out of bounds every time. It was great, but then they started calling fouls on Wallace for moving out of the way 😂
I'm seeing a lot of comments about staring not being that bad. Staring can 100% be menacing. Casually looking at someone is one thing; prolonged staring at someone who you clearly have tension with is a different story.
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A bomb shelter?
footballchamp 3 Rasheed Wallace’s hideout to study the refs
CAN YOU PLEASE DO A BEEF HISTORY OF MARCUS ALLEN VS AL DAVIS!
Can't wait man keep the awesome content coming guys!!!
super excited
Rasheed had a point.. refs are human they have the ability to pick and choose who they pick on
Ball don’t lie!
Wait wait wait, refs are people?
Antagonizing the refs all season hurts too
SkillSwiper he may have been antagonizing them but the refs are suppose to be unbiased.
@@Expletorygoose5 If you don't want bias, then hire robots...otherwise, what do you expect from human beings.
Legend has it at Sheed's funeral NBA refs will be in attendance to tech him up one last time
You watch this too dang
This is comedic gold. Kudos to u sir 👏
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was so funny I forgot to laugh
This man got the Shadow Clone Jutsu showing up in these random videos for real
Rasheed shouting "ball don't lie" is so iconic, just feels wrong when anyone else does it
Yea
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Me and my uncle say ball don't lie when we're watching games and someone misses a free throw lol
Aside when AI does it, literally the actual original player for that phrase being brought in the Nba.
he got a tech for saying "ball dont lie" too
The most memorable quotes surrounding his career
“Whack - get out!
“It’s ugly ass Bill Walton!”
“Ball don’t lie!”
What about “both teams played haaaarrrrrrrrd”
@@denistuohy2535 "...God Bless and goodnight."
Ugly ass Bill Walton
He said black get out not whack... they got that wrong.. if u have ever played basketball u know they say the color of your jersey then your number on a foul call.. n if U r ejected they will say like red !! You are out! Then look at your number n say it or show it with fingers to the score keeper
"It's ugly ass Bill Walton" I found that funny because Bill Walton was actually kinda handsome
Sheed has a point. Refs are ridiculous and almost trigger happy to call techs. Tim Duncan getting ejected by Joey Crawford for laughing at a joke a teammate said comes to mind instantly.
Don't think he was laughing at a teammate's joke. I think he was laughing at the repeated bad calls Joey Crawford was making, and after Crawford challenged Tim Duncan to a fight.
Or Reggie Evans for high-fiving his teammate Blake Griffin.
Timmy rules!
And now, we are in the era of flopping.
Or how about the time Joey Crawford ran over a Miami Heat player who was ready to take a 3-point shot in the closing seconds of a 1 point game Game 7 of the 2005 Eastern Conference Finals between the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons and called the foul against Chauncey Billips (please tell me if I’m wrong cause I remember watching a clip of it but I don’t remember when it happened, if the player Crawford ran over was on the Heat, if the in the closing seconds of a 1 point game, if the player was ready to take a shot, and if the shot was a 3 pointer)
Me in 2000: Wallace is a crybaby!
Me in 2020: Wallace was right the whole time!
You're whack for thinking that in 2000
@@dbag3345 I thought the same thing. I didn't watch Sheed's games and barely had internet at the time, so it was easier for that narrative to be shaped. Now I still don't believe that Donaghy was/is the only ref on the take.
Ball don’t lie
So what does that say about boogie cousins
Always liked him
Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release
At that point they're making Sheed up to be like Alex Jones. If I'm getting that level of bias, I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for. Props for him for staying "classy."
@@wojak-sensei6424 "I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for" what in the hell?
@@brodywubs As in the refs. Forget I said anything.
that.. and you don't want to give a cheater another opportunity to get rich..
Can't be defamation if it's the truth
Refs said he was the hardest player to referee because, “he knew the rulebook better than anyone.”
Sheed’s career is in need of real revisionist history. He was an absolute legend and an extremely smart player.
he was no legend
@@maxx1mus1041 watch the tape. ball dont lie.
@@maxx1mus1041your on the couch beee quiet pimp
The defining Rasheed moment is getting ejected for staring at an official
"Whack! Get out!" 😂😂😂 his reaction was priceless
I would love if the NBA would mike refs and players up again.
It was in the Western Conference finals nonetheless.
@@pitakafoa1214 Steve Smith's reaction was even funnier
BEAST MODE Joey Crawford is a terrible human being that should’ve never been allowed his reign of terror
“Ball don’t lie” is easily one of the greatest lines from basketball 😂
You can't throw out the best player on a team deep in the playoffs because he is looking at you. Refs who make themselves bigger than the game don’t deserve a job.
It's just more Lakers favoritism, same as what happened to the Kings in '02. The league even changed the damn playoff format mid-season to the first round being best of 7 when it looked like they were in trouble (even Charles Barkley called it "The Laker Rule").
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Lol I was like “wait I know that user name..” Im a subscriber of your channel and enjoy the content! Funny to see we have other common interests haha
DreamArena thanks for the sub! I love beef history and I grew up in Michigan. Detroit vs Everybody.
Sheed should have kept it together, his lack of discipline and his outburst hurt his team lmao
Many refs were intimidated Sheed because he had a reputation of knowing practically every rule in the rulebook. I can easily imagine a ref getting a hurt ego, especially if theres a player that knows more than you.
The MLB equivalent would probably be AJ Pierzynski.
That’s just insane that shows real passion right there not to just be a good player but to know all the rules of the game and make sure your team never gets cheated on bad calls
The only beef the NBA refs had with Sheed dealt with when he ruined the point spread on the games they were betting on.
*on the real, that makes me furious!!!*
Facts
Ding ding ding
Dam right
Lmao
"Rasheed implies that the league deliberately swings outcomes so the series runs a full seven games."
Looking back I can't say he was wrong
The Players kept trying to tell us something was off..
Even into this day the need it to go 7 for more money
Every major sports league does this. Can't change my mind.
@JustDev lmao
Explains 2002
If I don’t hear : “Enter Tim Donaghy”, one time in this vid.Someone is getting a Tech
You don’t have the power to give techs
Tora Chan Respect his gangsta
Nah Flagrant 2 with a double Tech. He needs to be in this vid
Lol
He was right about a lot of what he said. The league is about making money so ratings come first
If the league was ever proven rigged they would lose billions of dollars. It’s stupid of them to risk that. It’s stupid to think they would risk that.
41 Technical fouls in the 2000-2001 NBA season, 317 Technical fouls in his NBA career
Most unbreakable record
Legend
Those are Barry Bonds numbers, I believe to be unbreakable
You won't believe this, but Wallace is not the career leader of technical fouls. That belongs to Karl Malone with 332 technical fouls. Malone was a player who got his calls, but always complained frequently on referees.
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582 Say wha???
Sheed was a true beauty. Lost in all his wizardry at the T was how insanely skilled he was.
Seriously though. A bit ahead of his time imo. 💯
This guy was right to call out everything officials did to him. Screw the NBA
cpk1994 oh please, the NBA were rigging games left and right throughout the 2000s. You’re a clown if you don’t believe they were. It’s so transparent. Sheed was right, and stern was wrong, and that’s all there is to it.
@cpk1994 Yup, a straight whiner.
cpk1994 He fought the referees out of principle. You really think Tim Donaghy was an isolated incident of referee corruption? Get real
@cpk1994 Wow i luv it how u reproduce the ideology u get told, so you never start thinkink critical...just keep growin up to live the damn boring live the old boys expect you to....
...maybe thats why Jesus wanted us to become like childs againn??(:
@@mattla6454 cpk1994 eats from the trashcan of ideology
Wallace was the most “Detroit” player in the league-and he brought the Pistons’ Bad Boy image back. Dude was a monster! 💪🏻
Him and Ben Wallace were the Laimbeer/Mahorn of their day. Miss those teams.....
Basketball is the easiest game in the world for referees to fix. You can add 10, 15, or even 20 points on to one team's score just by calling more fouls.
genuinely true though
sheed: yall just love to single me out bc of favoritism
refs: u buggin
refs while facing charges: ok u right
You guys gotta do a beef history between the browns and winning
Ooooof
They kind of did..but it was the browns and LOSING that was the focal point of the video highlighted by the 0-16 parade 🤣
Too soon
Pain
Bruh what the Browns do to you? 😂
We still love sheed in portland, what a legend, he's absolutely right about the NBA, anyone who watches a small market team can see it.
Exactly...As a Hornets and Bulls fan....We all see it...
@@Bigedub101... 🤦 Except Chicago's not a small market lol.
Have an acquaintance who is an NBA ref.. he told me the problem with Sheed was, when you go back to the tape he was almost always right. Crazy high basketball IQ
Especially on those Pistons teams
He was also a bit ahead of his time as a stretch 4, providing spacing that the Pistons desperately needed when Ben Wallace was on the court. People back then complained about him spending so much time on the 3-point line when he could take it inside and score there, but his ability to stretch the floor was vital to the Pistons offense.
Nowadays it's considered almost vital that a 4 can shoot from range (doubly so if your center can't). Back then, not so much.
I believe it but u can't go back on your word cause they then feel inferior
"all of them cats are felonious, man"
And he said this years before Donaghy’s conviction, someone make him a prosecutor!
The David Stern officiating era was...interesting, to say the least
The hacksawed rigged era
Super rigged era. LAL should have won only 2 out of the 5 titles they won on that era.
Just watched the mavs/blazers game and I can confirm the officiating is still "interesting "
Miami in 2006 and in 2012 also Game 7 2010
Rigged
I remember as a kid watching Pistons games and every time the whistle blew you just knew he was about to argue
Answer this: Who doesn't have beef with certain referees
Kawhi?
You
I'm not biased. I hate all NBA referees. Can't name one game where they didn't have two big-time screw-ups/no-calls in the last 8 years of basketball.
Mike Conley
[Insert player who gets infinite free passes here]
I knew that Rasheed made saying “ball don’t lie!” famous, but I didn’t realize he was the first one to do it. You learn something new everyday. Gotta love Sheed!
These videos make my day they make me so hyped when they come out. Thank you
Rasheed was a true talent. He was tall, athletic, and a versatile shooter. He could play in the post and drop it from the perimeter. He was a pure passer and a team oriented player. The guy was always looking to help his teammates play at a higher level, and I loved watching him play. I'm a Lakers fan, but it really pissed me off when Wallace was tossed in game 1 of the 2000 playoffs....
Wallace was a 80's tough defender playing in a much softer defensive league. I miss him.
Sheed is right and always has been. Big business is corrupt, it's just a thing even in sports.
Ever see "Forget Paris" where Billy Crystal loses his mind and ejects everybody? That's Sheed's entire career.
KAJ: "You can't eject me this is my farewell game"
BC: "Let me be the first to say farewell"
@Arizona Fire Ent And Kareem's parents!
"Whack! Get out!" is right up there with "Number 99 of the defense, he's giving him the business down there" for supremely technical (as it were) referee explanations.
Damn so now we ABSOLUTELY need Tim Duncan vs Joey Crawford
That remains the most ridiculous public act by an official in the history of sports. I saw that when it happened and nearly fell out of my chair. Of all people, a ref challenged the most mild mannered player in the league to a fight.
YOU DARE LAUGH?!?!?!?!?
In all seriousness, imagine if I were to tell you the one person ejected for laughing on the bench and later challenged to a fight by a referee for it was Tim Duncan. Literally the last person on earth to be considered a ref-baiter.
Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release
@@palaceofwisdom9448 Tony Parker's reaction was my reaction.
I don't wanna argue NOBODY........but Tim Duncan deserves whatever bad he gets. Everybody on the planet that watches the NBA and studies the officials "KNOWS", 2005 was Rasheed's 2nd ring in a row with the Pistons. Buttttttt if you were old enough to see the games "Live and kept up with the media" = They screwed Rasheed over, really bad...and the *darling of the NBA at the time was Timothy* - That's why he got a free ring and *he knew* he didn't deserve it, at all.
*If you have 0 clue, upon what I'm talking about....don't say nothing....if you know what I'm talking about....then please feel free to add on* (awaiting the insults and arguments for stating FACTS)
He was the missing piece that brought the Pistons the Ring in 04 and I'll never forget it. 1 of the best starting 5 lineups in History
Best Five Alive ❤️❤️❤️
Great video on the origin of the famous basketball phrase "The basketball will not go in the hoop if it knows the ref misused their whistle"
When it comes to NBA player and ref interactions, there are two big factors:
1) Players are so empowered/entitled they complain about everything. Bad calls are frustrating, but concentrate on playing the game and let it go. Complaining isn't going to change the call.
2) Refs can be so insecure and drunk with power. If you treat the players like children, don't be surprised if they respond to you like children. The NBA is right to back the refs, but because the NBA is going to back the refs, some of them think they can instigate or escalate tension with players.
this, so much of this, both parties need to take their responsibility to the game more seriously. Best compliment a ref can receive is "Wait you reffed that game, I didn't even notice you" and a player's should be "Gee you were good", not "Gee you gave the ref what he deserved didn't you? Shame you only got to play 10 minutes and we lost"
When it comes to NBA player/ref interaction the player has absolutely no power. And with few well placed / not called foul (or even travel or any call} in right moment you turn the tide of entire game and potentially series. It was and will forver be fixed.
Man we need more guys like Sheed right now in the league.
Draymond.. but everyone wants to hate em, careful what you ask for
@Ty Lito
Except Dray is exactly the kind of player Sheed was constantly pointing out: Hyper aggressive dude on a marquee team getting away with murder
We need a lot of players from the day in the shitty league now.
SpecialWhenLit but draymond isn’t on sheeds level of talent that’s the difference
Getting away with murder? Calm down if you think draymond is anywhere near the level of Wallace I don’t think you’ve been watching closely either team
Fact: Dusty Rhodes was a booker for the NBA
The Dream is alwath gonna book a dusthy finish dadthy.
Let’s be honest, he’s not alone, everyone has beef with the refs
True, but how many have 317 career techs? His 41 in one season (2000-2001) may never be broken, because these days, one gets suspended after the 16th tech in a season.
@@AEMoreira81 yeah. so stay in yo lane, logan. keep watching that football thing sport.
daigul trust me, players vs refs in football ain’t much better, it’s arguably worse
Everyone on Donaghy's list has had problems with refs for their entire carrer that's why I will never believe he's the only one to fix games just the only one to get caught
@@AEMoreira81 Chuck and Karl Malone 329 and 332 techs
You also didn't mention that in 2005, Rasheed was so hated by the Refs = He had to enter the game in the 2nd Half in Post Season Games. Meaning, the coach at the time thought it would've been in Rasheed's best interest to NOT play the 1st Half or he may have fouled out/or tossed.
That’s crazy.
“BALL DONT LIE”
💯
Hahah I used to love that
Im afraid that's gonna be a tech buddy
4:54 did he say “whack”? lol
Current relationship between refs and players:
Ref: Go to the office
Player: what did I do!
There should be an end season award for most technical fouls named after Rasheed Wallace
like shaqtin a fool?
well thats not an award to be proud of
@@5at5unaid be very proud of it 😤
As a Pistons fan Rasheed Wallace was one of my favorite players of all time besides Dennis Rodman but from those teams that won the championship Eastern Conference Finals in the NBA Championship Rashid Wallace Ben Wallace I love those guys two Hall of Famers in great defensive players
this is just like society. people want you to be blindly obedient, if you're not, if you stand up for what you believe in, they call you a trouble maker
Respect to that man, the NBA sometimes really does have those disgusting biased calls that they trynna make everyone forget
4:54 same thing happened to me. Away game went for a layup just to get body checked to the floor. I was walking back to play defense because a dead ball happened staring in disbelief when this old ass ref tossed me for "intimidating him" the ref was 6 foot 5 and I was 5 foot 9 at best.
@Jason Carpenter that’s nuts! I’ve had similar things happen too, the refs when I was in like middle school were all old dudes who had nothing else to do.
oof
Got called for a foul by barely grazing this dude’s leg with my pinky 🤦🏽♂️
@TM Studios wow lol.
got punched while playing defense and had the foul called on me
I like the way you said it immediately embedded it’s way into basketball culture. I thought “ball don’t lie” was in Naismiths original handwritten rules. Considering it works and all.
He was part one of three series that I know for a fact was fixed, 2000 Western conference finals and the 2020 Western Conference Finals. Whenever Kobe and Shaq ran up against better teams the refs bailed them out, it was real shameful to watch. Shaq should have 1 ring because in 2006 they did it again with the Mavs /Heat when the refs made Dwade into MJ junior.
Facts
Love seeing a basketball video in my feed, bc I know it means I’ll either be hearing Seth or Clara
I was so stoked when he came to the Celtics even tho his best days were behind him by then. What a special player. He had a great interview w Bomani Jones on his Right Time podcast, it's from a few years ago but it just aired not too long ago, highly recommend
I think it’s insane that you get fined for criticizing the work of an integral figure of the game.
Imagine getting fined for criticizing a chef for overcooking your food.
That aint even close to the same. The fans can criticize the refs as much as they want. They're the ones paying for tickets and merch. They're the ones that are the 'customer'. Wallace is an employee. A waiter that criticizes the chef would get in trouble. The customer doesn't. You just need to realize the players aren't the customers - they're employees.
@@simpleanswer8954 Perhaps... But to me this looks a lot more like middle management screwed something up, and an employee tells the customer that it was middle management's screw-up, and then middle management spends the rest of that employee's career jacking with his schedule, playing chickenshit games with him, writing him up for tiny technicalities, taking any excuse to lean on him... With upper management's tacit approval.
Both the league's and the referees' reluctance to directly confront the empirical evidence of undeniable biases which jeopardize the integrity of the game is a terrible look. I really don't care about Rasheed Wallace, and certainly there are ways he undermined his own standing that were just unnecessary, but that doesn't in any way soften the fact that the league and the officials have consistently been out of line, and seem reluctant to do anything meaningful to address those problems.
@@don_5283 That sounds about right to me. I was just saying you have to adapt it to see this as an employee being punished for complaining about another employee to the customers.
This is why I like rugby's approach. Refs are held to a high standard, can have any judgement checked instantly on cameras, wear a mic and bodycam (so the crowd hears them talk with players) and are expected to explain any "controversial" reasoning on the spot if a captain asks. On the other hand, a ref's judgements are final. Players can and do get heavily penalised for disrespecting both officials and players, or a warning if it's not too serious. Just as players get penalised for bad conduct, so do referees - with severe fines if they are thought to be influencing outcomes.
As a result, I can't think of any other sport with a similar level of respect that is shown to officials, let alone opposing teams. Nigel Owens was nominated for UK sports personality of the year several times as a referee, might have even won it. One of the most dangerous contact sports you can play, and you can be sent off the pitch for bad behaviour. Such a beautiful contrast
It's a catch 22. The refs play obvious favorites to people like Jordan, as well as having players they don't like. If you call the refs out for playing favorites, then refs put you on the 'do not like' list.
I guess you just have to bribe... I MEAN be really nice to the refs. 🙄👌
Rasheed has a Secret Base to beef against them
The tone, the music.... well done guys. Works of art.
You could sense the tension between sheed and the refs just from watching on tv
karedeko I can’t believe how mentally vulnerable some NBA refs are. “I told him 3 times to stop staring at me” I’d much rather have a player staring at me than talking trash or getting all up in my face, that ref needs to get over himself
Trent Koberna it’s about establishing some groundrules. If I were a ref I wouldn’t let a player try to intimidate me
@@kenb.1096 So you are so weak that someone staring at you will intimidate you into changing how you ref a game? If a player stared at me I would ignore it and keep doing my job because they are not threatening me in any way.
Kinda sad we didn't get to see "Both teams played hard", Iconic moment from Rasheed.
I Feel Like We All Wait To Long For
Rasheed’s Episode:
Sheed's not wrong, look at Wade's free throw attempts compared to the entire Mavs team in 06 Finals
Rasheed Wallace: breathes
Referee: Technical foul! Unsportsmanlike conduct!
Lol
I suggested this 2 years ago.... glad to see yall actually read comments!
The most infamous one for me was a game where Sheed was walking off the court at halftime and a ref blatantly baited him into saying something and immediately ejected him.
When did that happen?
Them Blazers' font was used as the theme for this...Brilliant!
In sports. You should NEVER know the name of a ref. Unless you personally know or heard it, or they have had a long career and just beloved.
I have NEVER known a refs name that was for a good reason.
Great analysis guys, thanks. Wonderful example of a real life struggle. Sheed always did what he believed was right)
Refs were cheating. Kings and Blazers were cheated out of Finals. Who doesn't have beef with that?
Curly Que they missed because they let lakers play football n gave lakers every call n let them shoot free throws until game was tied
Gotta say, “Whack! Get out!” was not the call I was expecting
Wasn't this the era that the NBA was rife with corrupt refs? Those Lakers chips make so much sense now...
2002 WCF Kings v Lakers and 2006 Finals Heat v Mavs, enough said.
As a Lakers fan, thank you referees you guys are the most honourable people in the world.
The NBA needs to better control the officials. This is still an issue today
hes the perfect power forward for todays nba
He used to get criticized for taking 3's rather than posting up more, maybe he was just ahead of his time.
@@palaceofwisdom9448 agreed💯
Rasheed was absolutely correct in his complaining, the proof, the felon Tim Donahey.
One of my favorite players of all time
I remember when Sheed was on the C's we had 4 of the top 5 tech recipients for the season; Sheed, Garnett, then Ron Artest (on LAL at the time?), then Perk and Pierce, but then, the C's are somewhat accustomed to ref bias.
The main problem with refs, in almost any sport is the lack of accountability. Refs have nothing to fear when making calls, no matter how ridiculous they are. If they knew they would be fined or suspended for certain calls if they were wrong, they would act completly different.
I loved sheed ever since his days in North Carolina he will always be my fave big man
Basketball is my favorite sport. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.
Sigh....
*SOMETHING SOMETHING MOSES MALONE.*
" whack- get out!"
It’s black get out not whack .... that makes zero sense
mansonlamps I know it’s six days after but you’re definitely right lol
The YT channel formerly known as SB Nation do not LIE. This beef came from one of them steers that live a lavish life, getting massages, the best grass, the occasional beer. Top quality.
Off topic but 2k should add bad all time teams like the 7-59 Bobcats
Ight
No.
Who tf is gonna play with them
@@fitsumwoldemeskel4363 me
@@ro2113 yes
I've never watched basketball but you're videos have me hooked!
"He went to the bench feeling heated, down from his post up high.
Over the boos of the crowd and the whistles, they all heard his famous cry:
You can get two shots when a soft knight flops, but a ball will never lie.
Poor Sheed can plead, while the refs play deaf, that a ball will never lie~."
Damian Lillard’s greatest ballad.
Game of zones is lit
This is the beef history I’ve been waiting for
before I even watch "WACK YOUR OUT" WHAT HE DO? WHAT HE DO?
He messed up the refs generationally to the point where saying "BALL DON'T LIE" even to the crowd will get you a tech even though its basic basketball philosophy. They literally give a tech to referencing Sheed.
Sheed is an awesome player and very very outspoken man. He just tell it like it is man.
I thought about this video like 4 days ago. Thank you so much for making it guys. I don't like getting mushy, but frfr it means a lot lol
Rasheed: *passes to a teammate*
Refs: Foul, you threw it at him.
Woow! On that list of players the refs hated, Chauncey Billups made the top 5! That's crazy because Billups seem like a chill dude!
The NBA is rigged, Sheed was right, they put the teams in the finals that will pull the most ratings. Never forget the 2002 Western Conference Finals.
Cause the NBA wanted to see orlando/la instead of Cleveland/LA. Y’all sound dumb
Scoe3x that series is an exception and after the tim donaghy era. NBA officiating in the early 90s and 00s was rigged asf there’s no denying that.
@@BBTHEBEAST Those are exceptions. Those are series so lopsided that refs and the league could not affect the outcome. Series like 2003 LAL vs Spurs. 2004 LAL vs Detroit, 2009 Orlando vs Cleveland, 2011 LAL vs Mavs. All series in which Stern's favorite team lost, by landslides. Now compare that to all the close series that happen to have the bigger market team winning games by 1 or 2 points or possessions. In fact, this very video reminded me that Portland also had a huge disparity in free throws on game 7 of the western conference finals. Not a coincidence that most close games where won by the team that is most popular and generates more revenue. When the underdog won, they had to win by a landslide, to not give Stern, Donagy and the rest of th refs a chance.
dont forget 2006 Heat v Mavs
@@lucashadiningtyas9699 you right
This is why Sheed was my favorite and why I wore #30 through High school. My favorite Sheed moment was when he was on the Celtics, playing Orlando in the 2010 playoffs. He got sick of Dwight Howard bowling him over, so when Howard went to back Rasheed down and bump him out of the way, Sheed pulled the old Bullfighter "Olé" and started moving out of the way. So Howard (who was expecting to bump up against Sheeds chest) stumbled and fell out of bounds every time. It was great, but then they started calling fouls on Wallace for moving out of the way 😂
So Rasheed Wallace is just like my NBA 2K MyCareer character, amazing team player but fouls out about half the time
I'm seeing a lot of comments about staring not being that bad. Staring can 100% be menacing. Casually looking at someone is one thing; prolonged staring at someone who you clearly have tension with is a different story.
Then I guess staredowns should be techs, or better yet staring while defending. Sheed wasnt a violent individual, he wasnt gonna attack him lol
My favorite Rasheed Wallace moment is when he got thrown out for just glaring at a ref 😂