Words cannot do this justice, but enthusiasm, now THAT can get you somewhere! Thanks for this, and all you add in to the discussion with your enthusiasm.
We need a full video on @29:43. I've been trying to figure this out for years!!!! Your the first person I've seen mention it. Please help us know,practice and understand that!!! 🙏 Thank you!!
The most amazing thing for me is that these musicians invented this way of playing. No University or College very few recordings of this style to work off of, and no youtube LOL. Their talent, genius, and dedication to their craft, are so over the top is amazing. They were part of the Greatest Generation for more than just WW11. Sonny Stitt Cannonball and Phil Woods were my alto Gods. Sonny Stitt is also in my tenor Gods group of ten. Thanks, Jamie and PS I love your playing too!
I gotta go with Stitt on this one but I really do appreciate the Rollins analysis. Nice vid man!! I can't wait to read through other people's perspective on this in the comments.
Thanks for commenting dude. Yeh, I mean, really I’m only creating controversy, they’re both MEGA. Love Stitt so much. In fact his daughter just got I touch with me which is really cool.
That was absolutely fabulous, even though I didn't understand anything. You softened us us with some simple Christmas tunes last month and now laid this on us. It was like shifting from a casual stroll to traveling at warp speed. It's amazing how great a sax can sound when it's played by somebody who really knows what they're doing. Thank you for the eye opener. It was amazing, as are you.
I don't know about you all, but I'm not even qualified to listen to that let alone try playing it. Like trying to feed caviar to someone raised on KD. I did enjoy watching it though, especially Jamie's excitement over it. Maybe once I get a handle on Just The Way You Are, I'll pick up the tenor and give a line or two a go. Thanks Jamie! Your enthusiasm is like a breath of fresh air.
Jamie! What an amazing video this week!! We’re used to great content on your channel and livestreams, but with this you’ve exceeded yourself man! Standing ovation !! Thanks for your enthusiasm and for teaching us every week!!! I guess many subscribers will agree with me that it’ll be a blast to have a monthly “guided listening” and solo analysis like this one. 🙏🏻 😉 Keep it up Jamie!!
You know, I really like the breakdowns with all the notes slowed down, because it brings out the soul of the tune! (also slightly easier to keep up with LOL) I really like Sonny Stitt's sound. And you sound just great Jamie, love the fact you have a laugh with this because it is fun after all! Fancy being there live!
One of the things to remember, Stitt was 33 at the time of this recording while Rollins was only 27 giving the young Turk even more incentive to bring his "A" game. What enthusiasm presenting this classic breakdown of the tenor battle on the tune "Eternal Triangle". You helped me see how both had their own ways of interpreting the changes and made clear the use of their "go to" licks and tricks. As one who had classic training, seeing this helped me recognize how even classical composers shared/borrowed some of the ideas these two giants set down for all to hear, appreciate and even analyze. Tractor noises, who cares when you end up with what you posted.
Your best video yet as far as im concerned, super work by you.....loved your genuine enthusiasm, I often wonder how much actual study of the chord changes these genuises actually did,was it hours of analysis to see what would fit,or just a quick look through the progression and the rest left to their genius and experience.....once again, great work Jamie 👏👏
Thanks for posting this, and for the transcription! That took some work. I gotta say, it's pretty even. Yes, Rollins has that off beat quarter thing, but Stitt's articulation is cleaner. Rollins uses chunks of melodic information, Stitt just rolls. Stitt shoulda quit after five-I think your take on this is pretty accurate. By the time they get to the trades, Stitt's played pretty much what he could come up with-BUT-had he played a shorter solo I think he'd have matched Rollins, creatively speaking. They're both so good it's frightening, and the rhythm section is totally supportive-no howitzers or mortar fire from the tubs, just let the gents do their thing. N.B.-IMHO, Hank Mobley is really creative with rhythm changes, too. Tenor Conclave. And, of course, all this stuff is from "the House that Bird Built." Thanks, man. Great vid, great analysis. Excellent transcription!!!
So much great analysis here (on top of the treasure trove transcription), but the sheer joy is the best. And by that, I mean that 11:24 is my new favorite moment on RUclips.
Breathtaking! Many thanks Jamie (aka Rollins fanboy) for your amazing analysis, excellent learning points. Also fantastic example of how transposing can help learn and develop. Another super lesson...thanks again.
Oh man! That is crazy Jamie. The licks and scales, wow. And you play it With ease. 😲🤯 blew me away. Definitely on my list to try. Thanks for the battle of the saxophonist! 🏆 🤓🎷
I did some studying with Stitt.He was my primary influence.Love this tune.It kinda bogged down a couple minutes, however some very classic, textbook playing.Later, in Denver, I was solo Tenor in Sam Bivens orchestra.He played trumpet aside Stitt on a recorded version of Eternal Triangle, circa early 80s- prior to stilts passing.Rollins of curse is an influence! Great Video.
Thanks so much Jamie - three coffees on the way! Your best ever. A fantastic combination of great analysis and enthusiasm. I've long been a Rollins fan and have seen him several times, but gradually got to appreciate Stitt more and more, and I can't think of a sax player could could play tenor and alto to such a level. I always thought that Stitt rolled Rollins on the first choruses, but you are right, in the trades, SR reaches the stars. A lot of shedding to do!
Thanks Mr. Jamie Anderson! Its very interesting and informative. I watched this video 7 times. I was print notes. I need to watch this video 350-400 times and try to play more then thousand times. But it is interesting! So cool!
@@GetYourSaxTogether Mister Anderson, I was wrong. I need 3000 times only try, to play this excellent music correctly. That is long way, but is my choice. Thanks for your great instructions. Sorry for my broken English, i know I'm writing like a idiot.
I'm convinced this wasn't even a battle.... It was a conversation between 3 black men who loved themselves, eachother, their people and their people's music.
@@GetYourSaxTogether Bebop is a black creation. We ARE playing black music when we play this stuff. These guys were at the Vanguard of bebop... They were proud of eachother at a time when white people hated any and all things involving black people. Ken Burns Jazz documentary really does a good job of pointing this out...
@@percyvolnar8010 I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying. 👍🏻 I hear you loud and clear, and the social injustice of that era (and not just that era of course, look around today) is sickening and disgraceful. My only contribution to the conversation was that these musicians’ mutual respect for one another needn’t exclude a healthy banter. The story even goes that Dizzy was stirring this up before the session to get both Sonnys “fired up” and spark an extra level of performance. Of course, this should not be confused with any sense of disrespect or enmity on their part. Both musicians had enormous respect for each other.
This is great, and thanks for the pdf. I’m stealing a few lines from this for my guitar. For all Stitt’s brilliance, to me the way Rollins plays makes Stitt sound like he’s just running up and down scales. For me, Rollins has all the invention and dynamics while Stitt has precision and speed. Cannonball is the only bebop tenor I’ve heard that could outshine Stitt technically, but still wasn’t nearly as inventive as Rollins. Ironically, on guitar I find Rollins lines more difficult to play - I think it’s the wider intervals and funkier rhythms he employs - makes picking accurately at pace really hard.
Thank you so much! One of my favorite albums, for those who don't know the album: check the other tracks as well. Especially 'Sunny side of the street': ruclips.net/video/LSHevGXSKuk/видео.html
Hah! That was spectacular, and I don't even know what I'm listening to. I do have a tenor sax that I've just started playing, but I now expect the tenor sax police to come knocking at my door.
Jamie, I don't think anyone enjoyed this as much as you did! ;-) It's a brilliantly useful breakdown, thank you, but for me the most enjoyable aspect was seeing how much fun you were having!
This is a classic Jamie. i learned this-when i was 16 but could not write it down at that time. i wrote it out when i was 35. I´m 76 now and i still share the same enthusiasm when I revisit this recording as you! Music is great! Oh yes, i almost forgot this: When I was 35 and writing it down i was living in New York. I went up to Art Shell´s Music on 48th or 49th street. And Sonny Rollins was there trying tenors. I told him I had just been writing his solo down. He was very nice and told that the session was not really taking off until Diz produced a bottle of whiskey and then the fire works started. Just a little taste.
48th Street. Wish I'd been smart enough to hang out there in my youth. Still got to meet many of my heroes at Roberto's, and even took lessons from Bob Berg. Nonetheless, this transcription is a huge amount of work. Thanks to Jamie.
Both players were really good here. always strange that critics made Stitt out to be a Charlie Parker clone. There are many examples of distinctive Stitt phrasing in your example. "The lick" you mentioned is Parker-like but stitt makes it his own. Also track shows stitts Lester young influence as well.
But Sonny Stitt could do that on alto too.! I am a Stitt fan, but your enthusiasm is so infectious, I will let that go! Awesome Jamie. Nice work. Tractor pull and all.
Stitt did it on Baritone too! He is in my top 5 favorite saxophonists. An absolute slick machine! Even though he “stays safe” most of the time, he is always absolutely “all over” any tune he handles. Faultless.
excellent jamie !!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🎷🎷🎷fantastic job !!!! is it possible that you can make an analysis of the music of the great saxophonist "Tubby Hayes" ???
Yeah I'll second that. A Tubby/Ronnie face off. Also there's relatively few Hayes transcriptions around and even fewer (if any) of Ronnies) Cheek to Cheek, Guys and Dolls, are terrific.
I was under the impression that Sonny Stitt was the best saxophonist ever, but after hearing you play, I'm starting to have doubts. That was awesome what you just presented, and on my birthday also. Thanks for posting.
@@GetYourSaxTogether Still not working unfortunately. I've bought you a coffee before okay, but now it doesn't like my Irish postcode - which is def correct. Anyway, I love the videos- thank you!
I just wanted to ask: Has anybody recognized the A section of this tune “Eternal Triangle” (which I was not familiar with before watching this video)? It is PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL to “The String”, which I have on the Sonny Stitt album from the Verve “Jazz Masters” series. Stitt plays this version on alto. Personally, I don’t really think you can actually say someone IS “the best”, because it’s a matter of personal taste. Technical excellence is not the whole picture, there is always that “je ne sais quoi” factor, when you just love someone’s playing, without recourse to technical analysis. For example, on “Kind Of Blue”, since I first heard it, until now, I enjoy Cannonball’s solos more than Coltrane’s. In this “battle” (for want if a better word, e.g “exchange”), I enjoy Stitt more than Rollins, irrespective of the verdict of the technical expert. Nuff said. Nuff respect. Both are legendary Jazz giants in their own lifetimes and for ever. 🎷🙏🏾
I always thought that Stitt ate Rollins alive on this track. Maybe because he plays more choruses than Rollins. Thanks, you've given me a lot to consider! I did notice that Sonny S. does repeat a few ideas here and there. One thing you didn't mention, however, is Stitt's unbelievable articulation. On the eight-note runs, it sounds like he's tonguing on one, then on the and-of one, then slurring to two, tonguing on the and-of two, slurring into three. etc. Talk about a quick and nimble tongue! 23:40 Cry Me a River licks. BTW Jamie, I love your tone! Gritty, meaty and florid! Sounds like a steak dinner!
Please consider that in the 8x8 battle Stitt plays all the bridges. And each time you say Stitt is short of ideas it s in the bridge. As you know in the bridge it REALLY more difficult to have fresh inspiration. Rollins is more surprising Stitt is more fluid.
Just the best Jamie, smiling all the way through. can't see where I buy you a coffee....you deserve it. Thanks.. Just found the Coffee..you will be in the loo all day...
Yeah, to me there isn't anyone who merges the blues and bebop language better than Stitt. But the inventive rhythmic things Rollins plays is so cool. It's just such a great track on an amazing record!
Great question! I guess sonny rollins. Weird thing is we thought it would be a unique name these days but when he went to school there was another sonny IN HIS CLASS! 🤦🏻♂️ So now he’s always Sonny A. 🤣
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Agreed! Despite Stitt playing very heroically, Rollins is far more inventive and that big tone is so tough he makes Stitt sound like he's playing alto. Stitt is super smooth, but he's not anywhere near as aggressive. Rollins is slaying so hard, he's unstoppable
Grant it also that Sonny Rollins was a "uni-saxophone" specialist via the Tenor saxophone, hence his "big" sound, apparently; Sonny Stitt, a doubler by way of alto - at first his preferred weapon - and tenor saxophone (used by Stitt initially to escape the "cloned" reference of him to Charlie Parker) (Whenever the great Sonny Stitt picked up the TENOR saxophone, he was initially teased by fellow musicians of playing a "big" alto saxophone, or a "little" tenor saxophone - sound wise) Ouch! *. *. *. *. * * Stellar performances by both guys each of whom had his own style, licks and sound: Rollins, big sound fresh and creative ideas; Stitt, standard (tenor sax) sound, speed with accuracy. 💯+% to Jamie for everything: his valuable time, transcription, instruction and explanation. Take care, my friend.
The REAL winners are...... Charlie Phersip and Oscar Pettiford, dudes!!!! :-P In this album the kicked off all of most famous rhythm sections of the time!!! They were the REAL heroes of this wonderful album, that is one of the most swinger album of fifty....
Rollins is just toying with Stitt and making him sweat, but you got to admire Stitt's total command of the bebop language. It likes he a walking dictionary of bebop.
You must have listened to a different album. It's clearly Stitt who convincingly dominates the whole session and is giving young Rollins harmony lessons.
Sorry but stitt's it...command of bebop language, diminished scales, altissimo, chord substitutions, technique on his secondary instrument no less...plus he wrote the head!
Great analysis of great musicians. I prefer Stitt's clearer sound and cleaner articulation. And, while I appreciate that Rollins "plays" with the time more, I feel that Stitt swings harder. Just listen to how much more the rhythm section swings and locks in behind Stitt's soloing. Also, I believe that Stitt's lick at 15:43 is the hippest one of ALL the solos.
Wow. Did these guys just walk in and improvise all that from what was in their heads? Also, when you transcribe music like this do you have to indicate sharps and flats or do you write the chord(s) over the measure? Also did these guys write anything down or was it kept in their head?
Ok Peter - whenever you write music you always have to indicate any flats or sharps irrespective of writing the chords above the music. In terms of what they were thinking, who knows, but watch this video. ruclips.net/video/dFD4AU_aBO8/видео.html
To me i love Sonny Stitt but he always takes too many choruses, he goes past the high point of the solo and then starts repeating licks. This solo is another example of that
Get your very own bebop education with this free PDF transcription for the Eternal Triangle➡️www.getyoursaxtogether.com/eternal
Thanks 😊🎷🩵
I am a guitarist and this is the most comprehensive analysis of rhythm changes soloing I have ever seen. Top Draw :)
Awesome. Thanks!
There's a lifetime of learning in that track, thanks for walking us through it!
You’re right and you’re welcome ☺️
Words cannot do this justice, but enthusiasm, now THAT can get you somewhere! Thanks for this, and all you add in to the discussion with your enthusiasm.
It really is my pleasure! Thanks for watching. 🙏🏻
We need a full video on @29:43. I've been trying to figure this out for years!!!! Your the first person I've seen mention it. Please help us know,practice and understand that!!! 🙏 Thank you!!
Yeh it’s literally just round the cycle of 4ths/5ths playing dominant chords. 👍🏻
The most amazing thing for me is that these musicians invented this way of playing. No University or College very few recordings of this style to work off of, and no youtube LOL. Their talent, genius, and dedication to their craft, are so over the top is amazing. They were part of the Greatest Generation for more than just WW11. Sonny Stitt Cannonball and Phil Woods were my alto Gods. Sonny Stitt is also in my tenor Gods group of ten. Thanks, Jamie and PS I love your playing too!
What a wonderful comment, thanks! 👍🏻
What a work to transcribe these amazing playing. Thanks. I'll try to play it at half the speed.
Good plan! 👍🏻
I gotta go with Stitt on this one but I really do appreciate the Rollins analysis. Nice vid man!! I can't wait to read through other people's perspective on this in the comments.
Thanks for commenting dude. Yeh, I mean, really I’m only creating controversy, they’re both MEGA. Love Stitt so much. In fact his daughter just got I touch with me which is really cool.
Thanks so much for this! Enjoyed the analysis!
Sure thing 😎
Wow!!! This was something else, thank you so much for taken all that time to give us this amazing breakdown 🙏🏽🔥
Anytime! ☺️
That was absolutely fabulous, even though I didn't understand anything. You softened us us with some simple Christmas tunes last month and now laid this on us. It was like shifting from a casual stroll to traveling at warp speed. It's amazing how great a sax can sound when it's played by somebody who really knows what they're doing. Thank you for the eye opener. It was amazing, as are you.
Fabulous comment Earl, many thanks! Warp speed. Love it! 🔥
I don't know about you all, but I'm not even qualified to listen to that let alone try playing it. Like trying to feed caviar to someone raised on KD. I did enjoy watching it though, especially Jamie's excitement over it. Maybe once I get a handle on Just The Way You Are, I'll pick up the tenor and give a line or two a go. Thanks Jamie! Your enthusiasm is like a breath of fresh air.
Great comment thanks Gary. You certainly don’t need to be qualified to listen to ANY music though! 🤣
Wonderful. I could watch this 100 times. I have always liked Stitt better but totally respect Rollins. Together, just wow!
Wow is the word!
Jamie! What an amazing video this week!! We’re used to great content on your channel and livestreams, but with this you’ve exceeded yourself man! Standing ovation !! Thanks for your enthusiasm and for teaching us every week!!!
I guess many subscribers will agree with me that it’ll be a blast to have a monthly “guided listening” and solo analysis like this one. 🙏🏻 😉
Keep it up Jamie!!
Thanks so much. Maybe I will do that! ☺️
You know, I really like the breakdowns with all the notes slowed down, because it brings out the soul of the tune! (also slightly easier to keep up with LOL) I really like Sonny Stitt's sound. And you sound just great Jamie, love the fact you have a laugh with this because it is fun after all! Fancy being there live!
Great comment. Thanks!
One of the things to remember, Stitt was 33 at the time of this recording while Rollins was only 27 giving the young Turk even more incentive to bring his "A" game. What enthusiasm presenting this classic breakdown of the tenor battle on the tune "Eternal Triangle". You helped me see how both had their own ways of interpreting the changes and made clear the use of their "go to" licks and tricks. As one who had classic training, seeing this helped me recognize how even classical composers shared/borrowed some of the ideas these two giants set down for all to hear, appreciate and even analyze. Tractor noises, who cares when you end up with what you posted.
Wonderful comment, thanks Bob! 🙏🏻
Wow! I'm utterly terrified of beebop but this was such an enjoyable video. Thank you.
Yup, it’s pretty complex, can’t be denied!
Dude these videos are great ! Love the deep dive you're doing in teaching people how to really listen to jazz and learn from it!
Glad you like them!
I’ve been waiting for someone to make this video
Et voila!!!
you're enjoying this so much mate its brilliant to watch
Thanks 🙏🏻
Your best video yet as far as im concerned, super work by you.....loved your genuine enthusiasm, I often wonder how much actual study of the chord changes these genuises actually did,was it hours of analysis to see what would fit,or just a quick look through the progression and the rest left to their genius and experience.....once again, great work Jamie 👏👏
Thanks! Re your question, these guys knew exactly what they were doing and studied and practiced playing on all sorts of changes exhaustively.
This is my favorite video of yours. I love all the Sonny’s in jazz!
Thanks!
Thanks for posting this, and for the transcription! That took some work. I gotta say, it's pretty even. Yes, Rollins has that off beat quarter thing, but Stitt's articulation is cleaner. Rollins uses chunks of melodic information, Stitt just rolls. Stitt shoulda quit after five-I think your take on this is pretty accurate. By the time they get to the trades, Stitt's played pretty much what he could come up with-BUT-had he played a shorter solo I think he'd have matched Rollins, creatively speaking. They're both so good it's frightening, and the rhythm section is totally supportive-no howitzers or mortar fire from the tubs, just let the gents do their thing. N.B.-IMHO, Hank Mobley is really creative with rhythm changes, too. Tenor Conclave. And, of course, all this stuff is from "the House that Bird Built." Thanks, man. Great vid, great analysis. Excellent transcription!!!
Thanks so much for the kind comments and the great analysis 🙏
So much great analysis here (on top of the treasure trove transcription), but the sheer joy is the best. And by that, I mean that 11:24 is my new favorite moment on RUclips.
🤣 thanks 🙏🏻
Breathtaking! Many thanks Jamie (aka Rollins fanboy) for your amazing analysis, excellent learning points. Also fantastic example of how transposing can help learn and develop. Another super lesson...thanks again.
My pleasure Neil. ☺️
Oh man!
That is crazy Jamie.
The licks and scales, wow. And you play it
With ease.
😲🤯 blew me away.
Definitely on my list to try. Thanks for the battle of the saxophonist! 🏆
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Any time man. See you soon!
Superior level!!...thanks for your great work and your knowledge!!
You’re so welcome 😉
Best introductory breakdown of a solo (well… 2+) I’ve seen. Plus great fun!
Thanks Michael! 🙏🏻
Excellent teaching excellent playing excellent awareness thank you so much the bar is high ...🎷🚜
Thanks for watching and commenting! 😎
fun to watch, great analysis man! Two giants playing with eachother. we all win!
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Great fun and wonderful commentary.
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Wow! Sunday morning mind blower. Sonny Rollins told me to “Keep on blowin’ man”. I blow and I blow (interpret that as you will!).
Sweet Larry!
Absolutely brilliant. Well done and thanks. Now back to the shed to practice! 😎
Good luck! 🙏🏻
I did some studying with Stitt.He was my primary influence.Love this tune.It kinda bogged down a couple minutes, however some very classic, textbook playing.Later, in Denver, I was solo Tenor in Sam Bivens orchestra.He played trumpet aside Stitt on a recorded version of Eternal Triangle, circa early 80s- prior to stilts passing.Rollins of curse is an influence! Great Video.
Thank you! 🎼🎷
Absolutely amazing video, Jamie! And you are so contagious I just have to put my first RUclips comment ever!
That’s awesome!!
Thanks so much Jamie - three coffees on the way! Your best ever. A fantastic combination of great analysis and enthusiasm. I've long been a Rollins fan and have seen him several times, but gradually got to appreciate Stitt more and more, and I can't think of a sax player could could play tenor and alto to such a level. I always thought that Stitt rolled Rollins on the first choruses, but you are right, in the trades, SR reaches the stars. A lot of shedding to do!
Thanks so much Kevin 🙏🏻
Thanks Mr. Jamie Anderson! Its very interesting and informative. I watched this video 7 times. I was print notes. I need to watch this video 350-400 times and try to play more then thousand times. But it is interesting! So cool!
Blimey!!
@@GetYourSaxTogether Mister Anderson, I was wrong. I need 3000 times only try, to play this excellent music correctly. That is long way, but is my choice. Thanks for your great instructions. Sorry for my broken English, i know I'm writing like a idiot.
@@pavelpatsenkov you’re fine! Thanks for watching. 🙏🏻
I'm convinced this wasn't even a battle.... It was a conversation between 3 black men who loved themselves, eachother, their people and their people's music.
I’m sure everything you’ve said is true. Maybe the two aren’t mutually exclusive though?
@@GetYourSaxTogether Bebop is a black creation. We ARE playing black music when we play this stuff. These guys were at the Vanguard of bebop... They were proud of eachother at a time when white people hated any and all things involving black people. Ken Burns Jazz documentary really does a good job of pointing this out...
@@percyvolnar8010 I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying. 👍🏻 I hear you loud and clear, and the social injustice of that era (and not just that era of course, look around today) is sickening and disgraceful. My only contribution to the conversation was that these musicians’ mutual respect for one another needn’t exclude a healthy banter. The story even goes that Dizzy was stirring this up before the session to get both Sonnys “fired up” and spark an extra level of performance. Of course, this should not be confused with any sense of disrespect or enmity on their part. Both musicians had enormous respect for each other.
This is great, and thanks for the pdf. I’m stealing a few lines from this for my guitar. For all Stitt’s brilliance, to me the way Rollins plays makes Stitt sound like he’s just running up and down scales. For me, Rollins has all the invention and dynamics while Stitt has precision and speed. Cannonball is the only bebop tenor I’ve heard that could outshine Stitt technically, but still wasn’t nearly as inventive as Rollins. Ironically, on guitar I find Rollins lines more difficult to play - I think it’s the wider intervals and funkier rhythms he employs - makes picking accurately at pace really hard.
Interesting! Great comment, thanks. 🙏🏻
Ditto about the Rollins lines on the gutiar
I've got the picture of the two of them kissing saved somewhere on my hard drive, it's oddly touching lol.
I know right!! 😘
Only discovered this insane two-years old video now, but, Man, this is a PhD dessertation in Bebob, right there; thanks a lot for this
You're welcome
Thank you so much! One of my favorite albums, for those who don't know the album: check the other tracks as well. Especially 'Sunny side of the street': ruclips.net/video/LSHevGXSKuk/видео.html
Omg I love ALL the tracks on the album, ESPECIALLY Sunny Side!
Hah! That was spectacular, and I don't even know what I'm listening to. I do have a tenor sax that I've just started playing, but I now expect the tenor sax police to come knocking at my door.
👮♀️ 🎷🤣
Oh man... this was fantastic!! Uh... homework for a ... well, years!
I know, right? 😊
Amazing video! Many thx!
Anytime! 😎
Yes thats definitely worth a coffee or 3! Fabulous Jamie, presumably brings back memories of Tenor Each Way and Going Dutch?
Ha! That’s a trip down memory lane!
Jamie, I don't think anyone enjoyed this as much as you did! ;-) It's a brilliantly useful breakdown, thank you, but for me the most enjoyable aspect was seeing how much fun you were having!
Thanks so much. 🙏🏻
This is a classic Jamie. i learned this-when i was 16 but could not write it down at that time. i wrote it out when i was 35. I´m 76 now and i still share the same enthusiasm when I revisit this recording as you! Music is great! Oh yes, i almost forgot this: When I was 35 and writing it down i was living in New York.
I went up to Art Shell´s Music on 48th or 49th street. And Sonny Rollins was there trying tenors. I told him
I had just been writing his solo down. He was very nice and told that the session was not really taking off
until Diz produced a bottle of whiskey and then the fire works started. Just a little taste.
48th Street. Wish I'd been smart enough to hang out there in my youth. Still got to meet many of my heroes at Roberto's, and even took lessons from Bob Berg. Nonetheless, this transcription is a huge amount of work. Thanks to Jamie.
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Awesome story- thanks so much for that personal insight! 👍🏻
Wow fantastic. This is when the internet shows its worth. How else would any of us have got to know that. Wonderful.
Fantastic! All your vids are education gold but your solo analytic vids are diamond......
Thanks man. I appreciate you watching. 🙏🏻
Both players were really good here.
always strange that critics made Stitt out to be a Charlie Parker clone. There are many examples of distinctive Stitt phrasing in your example. "The lick" you mentioned is Parker-like but stitt makes it his own. Also track shows stitts Lester young influence as well.
Great comment Bruce. Thanks! 🙏🏻
I got my hands on a copy of "Sonny Side Up" in '82. It never occurred to me that either man won any battle. they certainly inspired each other though.
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But Sonny Stitt could do that on alto too.! I am a Stitt fan, but your enthusiasm is so infectious, I will let that go! Awesome Jamie. Nice work. Tractor pull and all.
Yeh it’s quite unusual having someone so good on both!
Stitt did it on Baritone too! He is in my top 5 favorite saxophonists. An absolute slick machine! Even though he “stays safe” most of the time, he is always absolutely “all over” any tune he handles. Faultless.
excellent jamie !!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🎷🎷🎷fantastic job !!!! is it possible that you can make an analysis of the music of the great saxophonist "Tubby Hayes" ???
Everything is possible my friend! 😎
Yeah I'll second that. A Tubby/Ronnie face off. Also there's relatively few Hayes transcriptions around and even fewer (if any) of Ronnies) Cheek to Cheek, Guys and Dolls, are terrific.
Craziest Jazz video ever 🚨
Love your sound ! 🎷
Cheers
Ta! 🙏🏻
Fantastic! Smokin' hot! This is Ph.D. level bebop education!
You said it Rob! 👍🏻
it just doesnt get better than that ,ultimate sax playing , i named my dog sonny .
Ha!
Who WINS? Who WINS? WHO WINS??!!! I’m on the edge of my SEAT!!!! Because music is about WINNING! Aggression+dominance=WINNING!
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? 🤣
SONNY STITT…..🔥🔥🔥🔥🎷🎷………what a beast omg 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Too true. 🔥
I love listening to these great tenor guys from the bebop era.
Me too! 😊
I was under the impression that Sonny Stitt was the best saxophonist ever, but after hearing you play, I'm starting to have doubts. That was awesome what you just presented, and on my birthday also. Thanks for posting.
Happy birthday paddy and thanks for watching!
FREAKING ABSOLUTELY SICK!! WICKED COOL 😎 🥴
THANKS!! 🙏🏻
Great video Jamie. Thank you! How do we get you a coffee? Link please ....
Link in the video description. Thanks so much. www.buymeacoffee.com/GetYourSaxTogether
@@GetYourSaxTogether Still not working unfortunately. I've bought you a coffee before okay, but now it doesn't like my Irish postcode - which is def correct. Anyway, I love the videos- thank you!
Excellent !
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Brilliant video!
Thanks 🙏🏻
I just wanted to ask: Has anybody recognized the A section of this tune “Eternal Triangle” (which I was not familiar with before watching this video)? It is PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL to “The String”, which I have on the Sonny Stitt album from the Verve “Jazz Masters” series. Stitt plays this version on alto. Personally, I don’t really think you can actually say someone IS “the best”, because it’s a matter of personal taste. Technical excellence is not the whole picture, there is always that “je ne sais quoi” factor, when you just love someone’s playing, without recourse to technical analysis. For example, on “Kind Of Blue”, since I first heard it, until now, I enjoy Cannonball’s solos more than Coltrane’s. In this “battle” (for want if a better word, e.g “exchange”), I enjoy Stitt more than Rollins, irrespective of the verdict of the technical expert. Nuff said. Nuff respect. Both are legendary Jazz giants in their own lifetimes and for ever. 🎷🙏🏾
Of course you’re quite right , but it’s more fun to say someone won! 🤣
You’re dead right about the Stitt tune as well. Brilliant! Who knew?
Keep calm guy, you are talking about the top level in history of Jazz.
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I always thought that Stitt ate Rollins alive on this track. Maybe because he plays more choruses than Rollins. Thanks, you've given me a lot to consider! I did notice that Sonny S. does repeat a few ideas here and there.
One thing you didn't mention, however, is Stitt's unbelievable articulation. On the eight-note runs, it sounds like he's tonguing on one, then on the and-of one, then slurring to two, tonguing on the and-of two, slurring into three. etc. Talk about a quick and nimble tongue!
23:40 Cry Me a River licks.
BTW Jamie, I love your tone! Gritty, meaty and florid! Sounds like a steak dinner!
Thanks so much! Lots to talk about, not enough time
@@GetYourSaxTogether Yup!
2 of improvisational music's great Saxmen.
Yes, indeed. Each a genius in his own way. Thanks for tuning in.
I'm selling my saxes after that. Hahahha.. genius stuff.
It’s insane isn’t it! 🔥
Exactly what goes through my mind when I listen to geniuses!
Mindblowing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeh. I know right? 👍
Please consider that in the 8x8 battle Stitt plays all the bridges.
And each time you say Stitt is short of ideas it s in the bridge.
As you know in the bridge it REALLY more difficult to have fresh inspiration.
Rollins is more surprising Stitt is more fluid.
Very intelligent comment. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Oh my god, this is so difficult!
I know right?
@@GetYourSaxTogether Yeah.
Just the best Jamie, smiling all the way through. can't see where I buy you a coffee....you deserve it. Thanks.. Just found the Coffee..you will be in the loo all day...
Thanks so much Barrie. Much appreciated. 🙏🏻
Great!
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Johnny Griffin told a friend of mine that when Sonny Stitt was on nobody could touch him.
There you go!
Incredible! It must have taken hours to transcribe too. What would be a good starting point for someone learning to transcribe an alto solo?
Just start simple. Maybe art pepper or something?
Get some Charlie Parker records and learn to sing his solos along with record before attempting to play them.
This was very cool! As a self described Sonny Stitt super fan I'm only somewhat offended.
Yeah, let’s call it a draw!
Yeah, to me there isn't anyone who merges the blues and bebop language better than Stitt. But the inventive rhythmic things Rollins plays is so cool. It's just such a great track on an amazing record!
Great video. Just pure talent from both Rollins and Stitt. But the question remains, which Sonny is your son named after? Haha
Great question! I guess sonny rollins. Weird thing is we thought it would be a unique name these days but when he went to school there was another sonny IN HIS CLASS! 🤦🏻♂️ So now he’s always Sonny A. 🤣
Stitt always wins everything!
Ok - Stitt fan in the house!
Please transcribe Sunny Side Of The Street and do a video!
Good shout that!
Rollings!!
In a word. Love that!
Stitt all the way ..as a piano player/saxophonist its obvious i can hear.. he spells the changes and rhythm better ..❤18:52... LoL!
Fair enough!
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Awesome. Look forward to it!
Agreed!
Despite Stitt playing very heroically, Rollins is far more inventive and that big tone is so tough he makes Stitt sound like he's playing alto.
Stitt is super smooth, but he's not anywhere near as aggressive.
Rollins is slaying so hard, he's unstoppable
🤣 Yup!
Grant it also that Sonny Rollins was a "uni-saxophone" specialist via the Tenor saxophone, hence his "big" sound, apparently; Sonny Stitt, a doubler by way of alto - at first his preferred weapon - and tenor saxophone (used by Stitt initially to escape the "cloned" reference of him to Charlie Parker)
(Whenever the great Sonny Stitt picked up the TENOR saxophone, he was initially teased by fellow musicians of playing a "big" alto saxophone, or a "little" tenor saxophone - sound wise)
Ouch!
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Stellar performances by both guys each of whom had his own style, licks and sound: Rollins, big sound fresh and creative ideas; Stitt, standard (tenor sax) sound, speed with accuracy.
💯+% to Jamie for everything: his valuable time, transcription, instruction and explanation.
Take care, my friend.
The REAL winners are......
Charlie Phersip and Oscar Pettiford, dudes!!!! :-P
In this album the kicked off all of most famous rhythm sections of the time!!! They were the REAL heroes of this wonderful album, that is one of the most swinger album of fifty....
I know right? They get totally ignored in any discussion of Sonny Side Up!!! 🤦🏻♂️
A friend of mine was a professional drummer and when he listened to this track he'd be yelling at Persip! Man!
Rollins is just toying with Stitt and making him sweat, but you got to admire Stitt's total command of the bebop language. It likes he a walking dictionary of bebop.
Totally agree. 👍🏻
You must have listened to a different album. It's clearly Stitt who convincingly dominates the whole session and is giving young Rollins harmony lessons.
Sonny Stitt hands down! He owned this recording.
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Sorry but stitt's it...command of bebop language, diminished scales, altissimo, chord substitutions, technique on his secondary instrument no less...plus he wrote the head!
As a Stitt fan, I’m with you, in Stitt’s corner. After all the technical analysis, he just makes me feel happier! 🎷😎
PS, see my comment about this head. Did you recognize it too?
Don't forget when they trade stitt had just burned through 8 choruses whereas rollins had a nice rest!
@@larry4589 👍🏾 Very good point. Who wouldn’t start to run out of ideas after 8 choruses.
See? It’s fun to polarise and divide! I’m only creating controversy for the sake of it really, I think both Sonny’s are MEGA.
I didnt need to watch this video to know the answer to this its obviously Sonny Stitt🤣
🤣 fair enough!
Great analysis of great musicians. I prefer Stitt's clearer sound and cleaner articulation. And, while I appreciate that Rollins "plays" with the time more, I feel that Stitt swings harder. Just listen to how much more the rhythm section swings and locks in behind Stitt's soloing. Also, I believe that Stitt's lick at 15:43 is the hippest one of ALL the solos.
Cool!
I get what the jazz guys are saying when they say V II I but do I just never play it because I’m a simple rocker?
Keep rockin' (I think you meant ii V I )
Wow. Did these guys just walk in and improvise all that from what was in their heads?
Also, when you transcribe music like this do you have to indicate sharps and flats or do you write the chord(s) over the measure?
Also did these guys write anything down or was it kept in their head?
Ok Peter - whenever you write music you always have to indicate any flats or sharps irrespective of writing the chords above the music.
In terms of what they were thinking, who knows, but watch this video. ruclips.net/video/dFD4AU_aBO8/видео.html
Sonny Stitt gets my vote, he really played those changes, whereas Rollins played Sonny Rollins.
Fair enough. 👍🏻
@@GetYourSaxTogether I try to be.
they're both incredible but to me, rollins takes it hands down
Agreed.
He's the all-time best but Warne Marsh is right there with him.
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Sometimes, the sound of Stitt is very close to Rollins one, although the rythm conception is very different between these two musicians.
True!
Stitt is cleaner.
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I could not hear any tractors.
Phew. It was blaring outside! 🤣
Yeah it was fine really. The new shed really does the job!
To me i love Sonny Stitt but he always takes too many choruses, he goes past the high point of the solo and then starts repeating licks. This solo is another example of that
Maybe. If I played like that though I’d never shut up! 🤣