5 Things I Wish I Knew Before I Started Motorcycle Camping
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Motorcycle camping is a truly unique animal. It's a weird hybrid of car camping and backpacking where you can't take a lot of gear, but what motorcycle camping gear you do take doesn't have to be the most lightweight or expensive because you're carrying it on your motorcycle and not your back. I learned a lot of my motocamping skills the hard way, so I'm hopeful that these motorcycle camping tips for beginners will make your journey into the world of moto camping just a bit smoother and easier than mine was.
The first thing I wish I knew while learning how to motorcycle camp is that volume is important when it comes to moto camping gear, but weight is less important.
Another beginner motorcycle camping tip I wish I'd been aware of is just the sheer number of different ways to go camping on a motorcycle. You've got everything from fully loaded, trailer-pulling Honda Goldwings to super minimalist survivalist types moto camping off a dirt bike with a tarp and a short stick.
When considering your motorcycle camping gear, it's important to remember that you have a lot less space for "just in case" items than you do in a traditional car camping setup, so a good piece of beginner motorcycle camping advice is to keep track of what you actually use on a trip and stop bringing along the pieces of camping gear that you never touch.
Another big revelation: there's a big difference between a trip where you just head out to go motorcycle camping and another where you're just camping from the motorcycle in order to ride as fast and far as possible.
Finally, it's important to remember that your motorcycle is not only a way to get to camp, but it's a way to transport you to town and back after you have your entire camping setup ready to go. Because of this, you don't need to carry everything you need to camp, because you can often get food and other items from a nearby town.
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That Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride is definitely one that I wish I'd known before! On my first attempt at the Washington BDR a number of years ago, I realized very shortly into it that I had brought WAY too much stuff. I've since come up with a few different load-outs depending on what I'm going to be doing, how long I'm going to be out, and how far away from civilization I'm going to be.
I like a cross between riding to camp and camping to ride. I want to spend most of my day on the road, but get to camp early enough so I can setup in daylight and have a some time to relax and unwind from the ride. My problem with some of the camping to ride folks is that in the morning when I'm packed and ready to go they're still in their sleeping bag. I'd rather get on the road earlier so I get to my next site in daylight than get started later and setup in the dark.
#4: Ride-to-Camp vs. Camp-to-Ride = pure gold!
I've been riding motorcycles for decades, and have done some epic, coast-to-coast rides across the USA and Canada, and have always used camping as a "cheap motel". This allowed for ultra-light, compact luggage (roll-top duffel + tank bag) carrying 2 changes of clothes + backpacking tent + sleeping bag. I didn't carry a camp chair or cookware (food = granola bar in the morning + FF-restaurant during a fuel stop in the afternoon). Until now, all of my motorcycle camping has been done on street bikes (mostly sport bikes - e.g. my Honda VTR-1000 SuperHawk, and my BMW R1100RS have seen both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans). All of my off-road riding has been done as local day trips (in addition to my street-bikes, I've owned lightweight dual-sports for decades).
Now I'm getting near retirement age so I'm planning to sell my street bikes and buy a mid-size adventure bike (Yamaha T7 or Aprilia T660). My retirement bucket list includes doing all the BDRs in the USA. With that in mind, this video made me rethink my camping setup (particularly since I plan to take some adventures spanning months; FF-restaurants can get pretty unhealthy over extended trips, so at minimum I'll add a lightweight cook-set (e.g. Trangia 27), and camp chair.
Lots of great points. I would add, if rolling into a dispersed or non-reserved camp site I try to bring everything I need in and not leave site. If I'm camping at a campground I'll setup and head into town for supplies. Some dispersed sites are great but I really don't want all my good gear to disappear. Leaving me to sleep with pork rinds and a 12 pack.
I was a backpacker long before I started riding and camping. So having all the lightweight gear already was a plus. I have a sport touring bike so I try and disperse when I can get to it, but mostly developed campgrounds since I'm almost always on-road. I camped 10 days straight for 4000 miles last sepetmer and loved every day. I carry a lot of gear to be comfortable because I love the camping part of it too. I bring the chair and table too. I keep my Mosko bags always packed and ready, where all I pack is food for the trip. The two things I don't always use, but always take, hammock and firebox. Packing and unpacking was kind of a pain, so I over time, I duplicated some gear just so I didn't have to move it back and forth between car camping and backpacking storage. I once camped with a couple on Goldwings towing a tent trailer. They were out for 30 days straight! I love that there's so many styles and ways to ride and camp. I wish I had a bike that was a bit more capable for getting more off-grid, but for now I adventure on the one I have. Enjoy the ride!
I have only motorcycle camped a small handful of times but I have gone kayak camping many times. They are similar in the way volume matters more than weight. I love that I can just use the same gear on both the motorcycle and the kayak.
Biggest thing I learned on the last two trips, like when backpacking, try not to bring unitaskers.
Sure, you need a certain level of tools but in 6700 miles of touring with only 1800 of interstate and much of it out of cell range...I used my multitool that includes a bit driver, all three kinds of tape and my plug kit/compressor (for someone else).
I do hammock camp and if no trees are available, that hammock can be ground tent with two tie-offs. Your bike is one and screwdriver is the other. Same with your hangers/suspension. The suspension only needs to be long enough to circle a tree as the straps you tied your gear bag to the bike are you extensions when needed. A small all purpose tarp is a godsend for everything...including as a ground cloth under that hammock.
Dawn dish soap in a 4oz squeeze bottle cleans your visor, dishes and you.
First aid kit is bandaids, dermabond, butterflies, alcohol wipes, antibiotic cream and two mega guaze pads (actually better is traditional maxipads with no additives/scents/etc if you can find them). You already have everything in your kit to make larger bandages, splints, etc and a simple field first aid training will teach you that.
I camp off my sportbike.braughts n beans few step 2s n puff near fire. Doing TOD in may from ny...1st long solo trip.also I take a full med kit w neck brace..other than that I do what I need as I go..I make no plans or stops..less stressful..Great vids.
I'll be up in/around TOD first weekend in May. Safe travels down from NY. I'm over in the Huntsville, AL area. Riding a Triple Black GSA & staying at Dragon Racers Camp. Cheers.
Field mouse dumpling soup! Good stuff!
You have just proven that being prepared is a individual thing AND no matter what kind of camping you are doing you learn as you go. I too have a car camping box.But I also have go to ultralight backpacking gear and my motorcycle kit evolves every time. I carried a full size guitar on my BMW in 1980, with camping gear for over 1000 miles. At that time it was necessary gear. I still smile thinking about it, and I am sure many thought I was nuts. I could critique anyone who carries a giant serrated knife and a crosscut saw, but its all about your comfort level and there is no right or wrong.Its your way and everyone else's way.
Backpacker here, and I couldn't agree more! I see so many ADV rider videos with packing lists that make me cringe. In my (notso) perfect world, I would just strap my backpack on the bike (VStrom 650) and add my toolkit. Love your videos!
I came to motorcycle camping from backpacking, so I was used to going light. However, I found that I had to be careful about volume. It seems like everything fits well at the beginning of a trip, but once I start taking things out and putting them back, I can't find the right combo to minimize the volume. Also, don't put a gas container in the same pannier as food! Even though there's no sign of leaking, the odor permeates the food. But also food can't be near sleeping bag or tent because bears like the smell of food. I usually buy food daily, but I carry a freeze-dried meal or a can of stew in case I'm not near a store toward the end of the day or I'm just too tired to stop. I camp to ride, so I"m often going long days and then looking for a place to camp. I like forest service sites that are remote and often free, so they can be quite a ways from the last store.
The easy way to handle the "repacking paradox" is start 75% available volume. Obviously having a specific location for each bit and always putting it back the way it came out is the goal but sometimesyou just can't be bothered. Ben's process of smaller bags in bigger bags you likely know from backpacking and it works just as well on a motorcycle.
I think people who come from a backpacking background will find it easier to transition to motocamping than people who car camp.
They already have the minimalist mentality and will be pleasantly surprised with how much more they can bring versus car campers who may find it hard to pare down their items list.
I had always been primarily a backpacker and even when going to a camp spot by car would just throw my backpack in the car and only use the gear I had in there. This made it very easy to upscale into motocamping. ✌️
I ride 2 up, usually we have to hotel, too much stuff. I miss camping.
I think I could listen to somebody ramble about the nuances of car camping versus backpacking versus moto camping for quite a long time. I endorse that video!
Carry the biggest tent you can manage and a chair. That's my advice. Always have some food in case of a break down so if your stuck in one place for a day you will have something to eat.
I can’t praise your video’s enough. I have never owned a motorbike but am currently planning on buying one; your advice has been invaluable.
I've found that the more technical the terrain you're going to be riding, the more important lighter weight becomes. Old age and injuries will eventually factor in too. Make sure you can lift your fully loaded bike by yourself.
From what I thought would be a basic Moto camping video, there was a LOT of great information in it.
I personally have waaaayyy to many parts, tools, rope, ‘just in case stuff’ on my bikes. I just sold one of my bikes, and when prepping it for the sale I was finding all kinds of stuff zip tied on, taped on, stuffed in a small crevice, etc etc
It made my head spin. So like you said, if you don’t need it, get it off your bike.
The definition of camping varies too. Especially with regard to cooking. I've been doing it since 1975, using a stereo stove, small tent, boy scout gear, tools, and not much else. No communication device then, either. Still do it minimalist, but with a better cook kit, coleman 533, better tent, better bag. But you are right about space, not weight, is key. And about camping to ride vs riding to camp.
The 6th thing I wish I knew before I started Motorcycle Camping, there is a lot of content on RUclips to help you out, including your's and other backpacker channels
The "set up camp, and then go into town" idea is great, if you have someone you're with who can stay and keep an eye on your camp and gear.
I learned the hard way that you can't trust people. I went camping at a campground up in the mountains with some friends. We took his truck and my extra tent, that could sleep 6, because we had some other friends who might join us.
Long story short, I left the rather large tent in the bed of his truck (50 feet from where we pitched the smaller tent) and my big tent was gone by morning. That was a pretty expensive lesson.
So the idea of setting up camp and heading into town with nobody to watch my gear is a no-go for me.
Love Motocamping . Prepping for the trip is half the fun I am guilty of bringing too much stuff. One thing I can’t do without is a 10” cast iron frying pan seems excessive but we cook almost every meal with it . Sacrifice other stuff just so we can have it!
Big pro tip for me was bring a camping hammock instead of a tent, especially up here in the PNW where trees are abundant.
LOL.... "Freshly killed field mouse". Hope they can catch more than one.
I've been trying to go camping on a Goldwing for a couple of years. But the bikes and set ups keep morphing. First it was just going to be me solo on a Goldwing, everything in a backpack. Then I got a trailer. Then I got a different Goldwing. Then I got a different trailer. Then I got a dog. Then I got a sidecar for the dog,,,,lol. Then I got a different Goldwing. I've spent all my time working on bikes and have not motorcycle camped once,,,lol.
Now I'm on my 4th Goldwing and I think I've finally landed on the final set up. Just waiting on parts to finish setting up THIS Goldwing/sidecar/trailer rig. Hopefully me and my dog will get to hit the road this fall.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Motorcycle camping can quickly become backpacking when you spend $1100 on gear and only $6 on gas.
Another pro tip. Motorcycle boots make rotten hiking boots.
Great video by the way, thanks for the info.
Good points were made. I’m sure these are things most of us learned after our first trip! For me I quickly realized how I didn’t need to worry about how much food I bought. My first big camping adventure I spent 3 1/2 hours on highways getting to the trail. I stopped in the nearby town before hitting gravel to have lunch at a nice mom and pop cafe and had a good conversation with a local about riding. Anywho, just stopping and having lunch alone allowed me not to worry about the little amount of food I brought so I had a nice dinner and breakfast at camp. Did a little more trail riding in the morning, and got back to town and stopped at the gas station to fill up, dispose of trash, and get another quick meal before heading home! So yeah for now on I’ll definitely be considering proximity to towns I’ll be in case I need absolutely anything on my upcoming adventures. Makes packing a little more stress free!
I am a total ultralight camping proponent after walking across Europe for 90 days with a 25 litre pack which included my camping gear (I went for a tarp and bivy bag). Now I have a bike I'm blown away that I can take maybe two tee shirts instead of one! Anyway, my favourite items for reducing weight and bulk are Toaks titanium cooking cups, pans, pots, cutlery, etc. My mantra is why take more sh*t that you really don't need?
Foodwise, I always buy on the day, on the way, but I do carry emergency carbohydrate in case I get stuck. I pack a small bag of instant cous cous because its light, long life, and requires a minimum of energy to prepare (just add boiled water). Hey...its better than dying :)
Volume is more important than weight.. best advice
I, too, did the "bring everything but the kitchen sink" car camping thing for many years. Still do.
I did, however, get tired of sorting through all my gear for things to take motocamping every time I chose to take the bike. So now I keep two separate piles of gear. I even have fishing gear specifically for camping from the bike. Fishing gear goes with me ALWAYS, LOL
It may sound a bit extreme, but it sure does make packing less stressful! LOL
I’m really glad the RUclips algorithm matched me with the dork in the road! I really appreciate your honest candid advice, love your videos!
"Freshly Killed Field Mouse" 😂 ...you earned a subscriber with that one!!!
Great advice, great vid
Such a great help!!! Thank you!
Great tips keep them coming.
Good & fun video! Thanks
Great video! Thanks for the super useful info
I love this channel. You are awesome.
Love all of your videos! This is one of your best. Thanks DORK.
Tnx for a great video. Keep em coming 😊
I like the vibes of this video, keep it up dork!
About to start thanks 4 the tips
I think the most important things are a chair and a good sleeping pad😅 that’s one problem with camping in general is getting out there not having a comfortable place to sit. A good chair is a must.
I think it also depends on the weather. If it’s a warm summer night, you might be able to get by with just a tarp I’ve always wanted to try winter camping off of an ATV, and get kind of far out but an ATV still carries quite a bit.
cool video as always, more tips or situation
Good video, thanks.
I love the idea of a full video on the topic! Keep up the great videos!
One of the most important things I learned. Bringing a couple collapsible three gallon water jugs. It's a luxury item, but makes moto camping so much nicer than backpacking. I fill up close to my camp site, and I have water for everything. My french press coffee. Washing hands, face, making a stew, washing dishes, etc. Its just really nice having all that water at your campsite.
excellent advice Ben I agree with you all the way on this one.
I really like your moto camping videos can't wait to see more this year
Yes, more like this, and more MC camping! I am about to embark upon my first MC ride to camp ride next week. On my 1978 Honda XL175! Really excited and your videos are helping me get there. Especially the statement you made in a previous video: Just tear the Bandaid off and go!
Wife and I are heading out towards Yosemite, Moto camping this weekend on the 1250GS. Will document via GoPro. :-) We have a lot of gear that you recommended. Never fear we are not new to this, we have been Moto camping for years but even being “seasoned” Moto campers I’ve learned a lot from you vids. We will make sure we have a sharp stick.
yes, yes, and yes, I love these videos.
Awesome video, Ben. Thank you for all of the tips! Great info. My family gives me a hard about how hi things are piled on the bike.
Great video
Thanks really appreciate all the tips on camping I'm thinking about a trip this weekend
Well done Sir. Variety is the spice of life.
Awesome content. As a new moto camper this info is super helpful. Sunscribed!! Thank you.
Love this...the philosophy of motorcycle camping :)
Haha that beer is so good!!
Nice Tips!
Good information.
Alright, I just found this channel today but I DEFINITELY want to go motorcycle camping with you. Love the channel; keep up the great work and thanks for being excellent to us!
Field mouse Vern.. A FiElD MoUSE!
Solid info. You’re %100 right there’s so many ways to do it and both the minimalist side plus the everything including the kitchen sink side can be very vocal on which was is best lol .. do what you enjoy and makes you happy! Great video!
I did some bikepacking last year, learned a lot about what you actually need and smart ways to pack it all in very limited space. I can’t wait to transfer some of that knowledge into moto camping this year! Great tips and great vid, thanks!
Nice vid. Very good info. No advice fits everybodys situation so some things folks just have to figure out on their own. Very inspiring. Makes me want to pack up my 690 and head out but I don't even have a tent yet.
Loving this mate. Getting my bike and kit together to do adventure riding in Victoria Australia. Cant go past this advice!
Excellent distillation of the subject. I have camped with a friend and although we were on the same bikes, we had different ideas about quite a few things, I'll bet that if I went with another friend/s we would all have different sharp sticks. After my tools and strict necessities, I will always pack my Esspreso maker and you'll have to drag me kicking and screaming to Starbucks before I'll give that up. Thanks man.
Definitely in the group that had to learn what NOT to take. Started out hauling too much “just in case” stuff. After several trips with friends, we also realized we could share items as well. Good topic and great advice as always!
You bet there is many different ways buddy..! 😃
For instance, I moto camp with a CBR1000RR. NO JOKE.
I fell in love with moto camping even before I tried it just by watching RUclips videos.
But I was unwilling to loose touch with the nimble handling that my CBR has to offer.
So, last winter, I came up with a plan. I was looking at the top box mount on my father’s NC750X made by SW-Motech and thought to myself; wouldn’t it be nice if I could fit an SW-Motech Street Rack adapter to the CBR too. Then I could fit a Givi top box to it like him.
I made a card board mock up of what my adapter would look like and got to work on fabricating an aluminum bracket that clips into the same mounts as the back seat. Nothing touches the paint work. I can remove the bracket and put the rear seat back on in 20 seconds.
Of course, the CBR becomes a solo rider in Moto camp mode, but there’s nothing with finding my spiritual self in some twisty canyon by myself right??? 😉
The whole works, including the 47 litres top box weighs in at 27 lbs.
Not too bad. Barely affects handling. And I can bring everything I need, including a chair, tent, sleeping bag, mat, drone, small stove, etc. Inside the top box.
I do have a Kriega backpack for mostly a water bladder and rain gear but that’s it.
It has been an absolute blast. Obviously, as you would imagine, I don’t off road. Camped 5 times last summer. My longest stay was 3 nights and four days. Awesome.
I have a CRF300L Rally with a 28 litre top box that I have been on one off road moto camp trip with.
Thanks for the inspiration.
Ride on y’all.!!
I've been adventure motorcycling since the aughts, and this video still gave me a lot to think about, particularly the camp-to-ride vs ride-to-camp. This video was informative, concise, and insightful. Five stars, A++++ video maker!
Ride to camp vs camp to ride! All great tips but this one hit home the most! I took WAY too much on my first attempt at the COBDR. A portion of the BDR anyways. I love the videos Ben. Keep up the great work. Oh and sleep matters! I would say splurge more on sleep comfort items on a “camp to ride” style ride.
Good knowledge....sharing is caring. ;)
Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed this video and watched the whole thing. Great advice and I would definitely watch more on this specific topic. The one thing I wish I knew about motorcycle camping was to have the right sized tent to bring my gear into at night. Also the number of bum breaks needed when riding 2 up on a loaded adventure bike. Furthermore, I like to spend money on decent gear such a comfortable sleep system.
Great nudge to think about what type of camping I'm going to do. I'm building a small mono wheel trailer for gear and this helps a lot! Thanks
Definitely would like more camping tips and tricks and just camping vids in general.
Really well done brother 👊 enjoying the content
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the real world tips ! You inspire me to get out there always !
Thanks for watching!
I'm looking at purchasing a KLR 650 S and came across your videos in my research. Love the channel. I do a lot of multi day backpacking trips. That is one reason I've been looking at the KLR. I'm a short guy, and the original was just too tall for me. Love the fit of the S model. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thanks.
Great summary, Ben! We’ve started splitting up tools or gear (eg. one or two stoves and fuel canisters among 3-5 riders) to distribute weight, volume, and to allow some extra space for gear expansion syndrome-it never repacks as well as it did in the garage! Just be sure if someone needs to bail you grab any items needed by the remaining group!
Good stuff Dork, definitely some things I had not considered. Something that took me off guard when I was camping in Co and NM last year was that even though I consider myself a pretty self-sufficient gal, I was really spooked more than once while camping alone in the boonies. Not being able to see what was outside of my tent in the dark REALLY started freaking me out. I actually cut my trip short because of it :( Happy trails, Motorclaw
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Love you videos! It was great meeting at REI the other day. Just finished my last week of work and now am officially retired and just picked up my bike from the shop with new tires and fresh service. Thanks for mentioning the ability to adventure out and camp even on a less than ideal specialized adventure bike. I have had this old Honda for a while and I love the memories I have made with it so far, and have had it to the top of Snow Peak and out the forest roads at Camp Sherman and the Ochocos. Oops, sorry for the long gushy comment… Just so excited!!! Lol 😝!!!
congrats on retirement!
Before I got fancy with my NEMO Fillo Luxury Pillow, a good trick I learned from backpacking for a pillow solution was to just bring a pillowcase, then use a fleece folded inside of the pillowcase. Comfortable and a space savor.
Great vid Ben, as usual. All good points but I think the real message that you and Amanda put out is just start doing it and learn as you go. Every trip, I learn something new which evolves as my "style" evolves. I'm going to try a few trips this year riding my KTM 500 rather than my AT. I think I can get my kit light enough to not give up to much comfort, but have the flexibility a lighter bike provides in terms of getting further off road. We'll see. Keep up the great work!
Very true! You aren't going to know everything when you go out the first time, but going out the first time is the only way to start learning!
Lots of great info. I’m going to be going to Alaska from FL this summer. Mixture of camping and hotels. Until we get way up there I’m not to worried about food and things. Like you said there is always a store. Even the BDR routes are going to take your through towns.
All great tips and suggestions. Also, I think one take away is the broad spectrum that is moto camping. From one Mountain House and a sharp stick, way off the beaten path to on and off main roads where you can easily source that night's meal. Moto camping can fit everybody's "style". I like that sharp stick idea, though. I have never tried to spear a deer from my bike 🤣
Please film it if you give it a try.
Thanks for this video. Good info. I have quite a bit of kit from my backpacking days….my current logistical bottleneck for motorcycle camping is my cpap. I’m trying to find a setup(power supply) that will power my cpap for a couple of nights and can be recharged while riding. I’m hoping to do the TAT either late this summer or next at the latest…and I want to minimize the hotel stays.
Ride to Camp vs Camp to Ride is a great way to frame up the type of trip you're planning. Also, while i agree $50 on a titanium fork is unnecessary, every pound you save by either buying higher end back level stuff adds up and collectively can really make a difference, and the quality stuff can work great for bicycle packing and back packing if you're into that like I am.
As a life-long backpacker and dabbler in the arts and insanity of ultralight backpacking, I'd add that there are many products and lessons to be learned for ADV riders/campers from bikepacking. Basically, backpacking on a bicycle, where weight matters---but as you pointed out, volume matters, too. Making things fit and attach are important in bikepacking and apply to ADV. Good stuff from tools to tents in the bikepacking gear world.
So I really like the part where you bring what you need. I have a bin of lightweight gear. I'll adjust even my kitchen gear for my menu plan or my Firestarter axe and saw if I'm going with someone that's bringing one already. I like to challenge my self on bringing the perfect amount of stuff.
Nailed it!
Great Video and awesome advice! Where I live summer temperatures are really high and hence what I learned: A camel pack or some type of hydration system with an insulated tube, so you do not have to drink piss warm water are a godsend to stay hydrated, so your conectration does not falter. Stay hydrated and "This should be most triumphant." - Party on dude.
Bang on the money Dork! I wish I knew what brand of key pieces of gear and when to buy really good stuff so you stay warm, dry and comfy. I still struggle with what I really need,how much to take and how to best organize it. I seem to rework my load out every friggin time. Constantly trying to pack things the most compactly.
Regarding meals, On our IDBDR we planned for simple breakfast(or stop early to eat), one restaraunt meal or camp dinner each day, so picking stuff up before camp works well.
I'm working on the pain. But I'm riding an camping 🏕 this season. Thanks for sharing 👍.
Great video! I guess I have always been a “camp to ride” guy. I’m a backpacker too so I have all the UL gear. I typically eat at restaurants and/or stop at a grocery store and pickup something really simple that can be prepared in a JetBoil. I don’t do off road or dispersed camping. I mostly stay at state parks, national forest, and municipal camping areas. My luxury items are a collapsible wine flask and a folding backpacking chair. So basically my motorcycle camping setup and my backpacking setup are pretty much identical except I don’t carry dehydrated backpacking meals when motorcycle camping. Different strokes though, if someone wants to strap a mountain of gear to their bike that’s cool, just not my thing…
Was that the Madras Safeway store? Good videos.
Eric, Black Swan Odsseys
I can’t believe the gold winger folks give you so much heat😂
If you really want to narrow down your gear list, get into bikepacking. More than backpacking every ounce adds up quickly when you have to pedal a loaded bike for several hours a day. It makes the "luxury" items way more appreciated when I pack for a moto trip.