Sitting in one, now. Like he said, if you DON'T care about the Murphy Bed, don't let that hold you-back. The bed works great, and is very comfortable. The CPAP bay on either side of the bed is IDEAL, for a phone, a tablet (since there are power sockets inside, or for holding meds that someone might need ready-at-hand, a favorite book, your cell phone, your glasses, or anything else you need nearby, but don't want cluttering-up the bed. There are also USB plug-ins, for powering-up a cell phone, above the little "nightstand" surfaces beside either side of the bed. I've already loaded a LOT of things, and I haven't even begun to take-up all of the storage space, which is obviously ALWAYS an issue, in a camper. MORE hanging racks in the restroom, which looks bigger, due-to the way in which the shower stall is done with curved, clear doors, so that, seeing-INTO it, with its skylight helps to visually open-up the perceived space. Shower stall is NOT cramped-feeling. Nice dimmer on four of the overhead lights, while others without dimming give plenty of light in for kitchen work, or in the bathroom, where people need to shave or do makeup. Frankly, the skylights make lighting unneeded, during daylight hours. The dimmer DOES make things seem more calming and cozy, at night. Speaking of power, you can jack-in SOLAR PANELS, which are NOT included, but having the rig set-up to USE those is a good idea. There's also ample linen/towel storage next to the shower. There is LITERALLY more room than in the linen closets of the last two 3 bedroom/2 bath homes I've been-in. Amazing. Refrigerator/Freezer is bigger than in most modest-sized campers, and well thought-out. The gas stove has an OVEN. Table top and counter top material has a nice subtle texture that keeps things from sliding-about, but is easily wiped-clean, and just looks nice, without trying to be "mansion-fancy," and the double sink has a nice, high faucet, so you can do pots and pans, and there's a removable drying-rack that can be placed over one sink, to let things drip-dry, and that's very-handy. Floor is easily swept-clean. The stairs leading up to the door are SOLID-feeling, stable, and don't rise too-quickly, as you climb, the way some campers do. The rig doesn't feel "wobbly," as you move-about. This just seems to offer so-much, within a 22'-8" package. Even without slide-outs, you don't feel cramped, or crammed-in-there, and I'm over 205 pounds, so I'd notice it, if I felt "hemmed-in." VERY-well thought-out.
I think it’s been about two years since I even saw one of those hit my lot. Production challenges have gotten so wacky they simply haven’t built many of them. I always really liked that model myself. As far as a stick and tin trailer goes with a Murphy bed they’re one of the best I’ve seen I think
I think I finally got my list narrowed down to the 2023/24 171RBXL (top choice), a preowned Sunset Trail 262BH or Keystone Bullet 252BH. Having a slide would be nice but I don't 'need' a slide as I'll be solo. I should be able to get all my goodies, treasures and supplies for a weeks worth of boondocking in the 171. Great video :)
Are the backrest cushions on the couch and dinette as cushy and comfy as they look? How do you think they rate compared to the 2023/24 models? The overstuffed pillow design adds personality to the interior. I like the colors and fridge of the 23/24's, but really like the seating aesthetics of the 22's.
Can you provide a part number for the skylight that fits this shower? I have this unit and want to add a skylight in the shower for headspace but can’t find what one will fit it the right way. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Josh, great job with this video. Very watchable. I learned more about this camper from you then what the Service guy showed me on our final walk-around when we purchased this 171RBXl three weeks ago here in western Michigan. KUDOS to you. I'm lovin' this trailer. . Upgraded from a Coachmen 16FB, we needed more floor space for the dog but did NOT want a slide-out. This Wildwood is a great camper. Has counter space, tons of storage space, huge and comfortable dinette. The 12v fridge is bonkers big, we brought TOO much cold food our maiden campout, just because we could. Lol. Crazy big camp side window, love this. And the Murphy RV Queen bed is just fine for my six foot frame. Mattress is a bit stiff for the wife, but I like the firmness of it. The bed goes up easy and voila! Floor space during the day! Yay! I fit in the shower just fine. The toilet is awfully noisy, squeaky when sat on, may have to upgrade that. And i also love the outside rear compartment (the space behind the toilet), ALL my outside decorations and camp goods fit in there. Minus the long camp rugs that I put in the nose of the camper. The awning is a bit small as well but honestly, we don't sit much under that anyway. Keeps our outside table dry, place to keep our camp chairs out of the rain. I'd recommend this camper to anyone. My wife is camping in it right now as I type this, Girl's Campout so I'm not there. Boo hoo. Lol.
Any way to get automatic jacks instead of hand crank? Also, any alternative spot for a TV mount? Those were the only 2 drawbacks. Otherwise, I like everything about this trailer.
To the point: No and No. We have some other models that might offer those features however. Feel free to bounce some requests off our team at 800-256-5196 if more than passingly curious
No sweat Dan! Wildwood uses hardwood cabinet door frames. Their cabinet styles (the "box" of the cabinet) is a lumbercore material with stapled fasteners. Given the choice I know most clients prefer the peace of mind of pocket screwed cabinets (which is largely why I point it out when available). However, if you review used RVs (even those that have been used quite heavily) you will *rarely* find a cabinet failure. Is the potential for failure lower with pocket screwed cabinetry? Sure. Is it significantly / functionally different? Not that I've ever seen. But peace of mind is certainly worth something. Items like this are why we carry so many brands. If pocket screwed cabinetry is on your "must have" list, then I would suggest something in the way of a Jay Flight or perhaps Catalina travel trailer. Both of which we feature. You can see them here: bit.ly/38dqhTd
@@danspencer1451 Gotcha! Understand cabinet doors themselves are never pocket screwed in any RV in this class. Methods like mortise and tenon joints, adhesives to reinforce, staples, or small mitered supports will be used on cabinet door frames in essentially any brand of RV. Hopefully that helps clarify.
I just learned something, Thanks. I was looking at a trailer last week and saw staples holding the cabinet door frame corners together and just assumed it was an inferior method!
Glad it was helpful! I try to provide a pretty in-depth look but naturally can't cover EVERY nut, bolt, and widget in each video. I appreciate the suggestion though!
They both say "Wildwood," but the Xlite and FSX are actually two different groups under a shared banner with different facilities and management teams. They work together and make their products obviously look similar with similar equipment as much as possible however. They have a healthy relationship. Each product is purpose built and equipped for a slightly different target buyer. The 179 has a rare corner murphy / jiffy bed and is about the smallest you can get a camper with double/double bunks. The 171 here is sort of what happens if you seek a tandem axle 179. You're getting a little bigger and more expensive, but picking up a walk around bed, easier towing tandems, and things like bigger fridge for your trouble's and cost. I think they're an equivalent exchange of "value" in terms of features per dollar. One simply has more features for more dollars. I go back and forth between them personally. I dont know which I like better myself
I like it. Sensible, nothing too weird or different. There was a similar model you did recently that had a sliding door for the bathroom. I think that would be perfect on this model as well. I don't remember you mentioning the furnace though? Does it also work through the ducts on the ceiling? We do like to camp late in the year and a good furnace & heat management is essential for us. A quick check, but I couldn't find a dealer here in Ontario that sells these, and I think you are just a bit too far away to make that work. Crossing the border is also a bit of an issue. Thanks
We work with clients in Ontario all the time. Give our team a fair shake at working with you and you might be surprised. We can answer all your questions & provide clarity regarding things like rv delivery and/or cross-boarder handling. All we ask is an opportunity in return for our efforts here. You can contact our team any time at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/
Depends on how they're done. Passport Murphy Beds are just as easy to walk around as their non-murphy models. Here's Passport's version of this layout: bit.ly/35OAwgg
Maybe in the South. There's a limit to the amount of insulation that you can expect. You can get on Amazon and find shore water hoses that are heated enough to keep water coming-in down to well-below zero, which might help. They vary in price, depending-upon length, and how far-down they'll go. Might look at CANADIAN-made trailers, if you're concerned about cold.
Shouldn't be an issue. Those things typically compress down so much it's not a problem on pretty much any murphy bed I've ever personally used And if nothing else you can always just roll a side of them away if needed to make everything fit nicely.
Josh I noticed in a couple of your videos with the Murphy bed up the back of your head would be touching the bottom of the bed. Maybe it's just the camera view from straight on
Depends on the exact type of murphy bed in question. These 1pc strut assisted beds give plenty of headroom. The "Jiffy Sofa Sleeper" style in the FSX Wildwoods doesn't have a gap between the sofa and bed-wall, but the bed wall is also straight vertical so it's fine.
I have 2017 version and it’s horrible. Components are cheap,1/2 have failed,too many to list. Thing I hate most is you can’t reach the back of the bed to make it. Other than the bed, the design is good,just needs better quality components and workmanship.This 2020 model did have some improvements.
The angle of that Murphy bed concerns me. Not that it looks like it would fall on you, but that sitting in the sofa you wouldn't be able to lean back. It looks like you would hit your head before you would sit back all the way.
And that's the difference between seeing it in person and just on screen. There's plenty of room and the locks prevent it from falling on you. Good theoretical concerns, but in practical application they prove to be non-issues!
Converter will keep batteries charged while plugged into shore power with 12v fridge. With Shore power you never have to worry about running out of anything basically.
My favorite floorplan!
Thanks Josh
you bet
Sitting in one, now. Like he said, if you DON'T care about the Murphy Bed, don't let that hold you-back. The bed works great, and is very comfortable.
The CPAP bay on either side of the bed is IDEAL, for a phone, a tablet (since there are power sockets inside, or for holding meds that someone might need ready-at-hand, a favorite book, your cell phone, your glasses, or anything else you need nearby, but don't want cluttering-up the bed. There are also USB plug-ins, for powering-up a cell phone, above the little "nightstand" surfaces beside either side of the bed. I've already loaded a LOT of things, and I haven't even begun to take-up all of the storage space, which is obviously ALWAYS an issue, in a camper.
MORE hanging racks in the restroom, which looks bigger, due-to the way in which the shower stall is done with curved, clear doors, so that, seeing-INTO it, with its skylight helps to visually open-up the perceived space. Shower stall is NOT cramped-feeling. Nice dimmer on four of the overhead lights, while others without dimming give plenty of light in for kitchen work, or in the bathroom, where people need to shave or do makeup. Frankly, the skylights make lighting unneeded, during daylight hours. The dimmer DOES make things seem more calming and cozy, at night. Speaking of power, you can jack-in SOLAR PANELS, which are NOT included, but having the rig set-up to USE those is a good idea.
There's also ample linen/towel storage next to the shower. There is LITERALLY more room than in the linen closets of the last two 3 bedroom/2 bath homes I've been-in. Amazing.
Refrigerator/Freezer is bigger than in most modest-sized campers, and well thought-out. The gas stove has an OVEN. Table top and counter top material has a nice subtle texture that keeps things from sliding-about, but is easily wiped-clean, and just looks nice, without trying to be "mansion-fancy," and the double sink has a nice, high faucet, so you can do pots and pans, and there's a removable drying-rack that can be placed over one sink, to let things drip-dry, and that's very-handy.
Floor is easily swept-clean. The stairs leading up to the door are SOLID-feeling, stable, and don't rise too-quickly, as you climb, the way some campers do.
The rig doesn't feel "wobbly," as you move-about. This just seems to offer so-much, within a 22'-8" package. Even without slide-outs, you don't feel cramped, or crammed-in-there, and I'm over 205 pounds, so I'd notice it, if I felt "hemmed-in." VERY-well thought-out.
Holy cow.. I feel like I should be paying you for this 😆
AMAZING info here. I have my own ideas but hearing it from an actual owner is always the best
How long have you had it and where’ve you taken her??
I wish we waited a few years. We have the 2017 Salem cruise lite 171RBXL. Love the bigger windows on the driver side and the ac system.
I think it’s been about two years since I even saw one of those hit my lot. Production challenges have gotten so wacky they simply haven’t built many of them. I always really liked that model myself. As far as a stick and tin trailer goes with a Murphy bed they’re one of the best I’ve seen I think
I think I finally got my list narrowed down to the 2023/24 171RBXL (top choice), a preowned Sunset Trail 262BH or Keystone Bullet 252BH.
Having a slide would be nice but I don't 'need' a slide as I'll be solo. I should be able to get all my goodies, treasures and supplies for a weeks worth of boondocking in the 171. Great video :)
I really like how they did that model. I've always been shocked I haven't seen more of them out there
Are the backrest cushions on the couch and dinette as cushy and comfy as they look? How do you think they rate compared to the 2023/24 models?
The overstuffed pillow design adds personality to the interior. I like the colors and fridge of the 23/24's, but really like the seating aesthetics of the 22's.
Not trying to be dodgey - comfort is so subjective
looks very much like a Forest River Wolf Pup 16FQ as well...
Kind of like a bigger version
Can you provide a part number for the skylight that fits this shower? I have this unit and want to add a skylight in the shower for headspace but can’t find what one will fit it the right way. Any help would be greatly appreciated
I cannot but our parts team members may be able to assist
Josh, great job with this video. Very watchable. I learned more about this camper from you then what the Service guy showed me on our final walk-around when we purchased this 171RBXl three weeks ago here in western Michigan. KUDOS to you. I'm lovin' this trailer. . Upgraded from a Coachmen 16FB, we needed more floor space for the dog but did NOT want a slide-out. This Wildwood is a great camper. Has counter space, tons of storage space, huge and comfortable dinette. The 12v fridge is bonkers big, we brought TOO much cold food our maiden campout, just because we could. Lol. Crazy big camp side window, love this. And the Murphy RV Queen bed is just fine for my six foot frame. Mattress is a bit stiff for the wife, but I like the firmness of it. The bed goes up easy and voila! Floor space during the day! Yay! I fit in the shower just fine. The toilet is awfully noisy, squeaky when sat on, may have to upgrade that. And i also love the outside rear compartment (the space behind the toilet), ALL my outside decorations and camp goods fit in there. Minus the long camp rugs that I put in the nose of the camper. The awning is a bit small as well but honestly, we don't sit much under that anyway. Keeps our outside table dry, place to keep our camp chairs out of the rain. I'd recommend this camper to anyone. My wife is camping in it right now as I type this, Girl's Campout so I'm not there. Boo hoo. Lol.
Any way to get automatic jacks instead of hand crank? Also, any alternative spot for a TV mount? Those were the only 2 drawbacks. Otherwise, I like everything about this trailer.
To the point: No and No. We have some other models that might offer those features however. Feel free to bounce some requests off our team at 800-256-5196 if more than passingly curious
Josh, Are the Cabinets Pocket Screwed of Stapled? You usually mention that! Thanks
No sweat Dan! Wildwood uses hardwood cabinet door frames. Their cabinet styles (the "box" of the cabinet) is a lumbercore material with stapled fasteners.
Given the choice I know most clients prefer the peace of mind of pocket screwed cabinets (which is largely why I point it out when available). However, if you review used RVs (even those that have been used quite heavily) you will *rarely* find a cabinet failure.
Is the potential for failure lower with pocket screwed cabinetry? Sure.
Is it significantly / functionally different? Not that I've ever seen.
But peace of mind is certainly worth something. Items like this are why we carry so many brands. If pocket screwed cabinetry is on your "must have" list, then I would suggest something in the way of a Jay Flight or perhaps Catalina travel trailer. Both of which we feature. You can see them here: bit.ly/38dqhTd
Sorry, I should have said are the Cabinets Doors Pocket Screwed of Stapled?
@@danspencer1451 Gotcha! Understand cabinet doors themselves are never pocket screwed in any RV in this class. Methods like mortise and tenon joints, adhesives to reinforce, staples, or small mitered supports will be used on cabinet door frames in essentially any brand of RV.
Hopefully that helps clarify.
I just learned something, Thanks. I was looking at a trailer last week and saw staples holding the cabinet door frame corners together and just assumed it was an inferior method!
One of the best reviews I've seen on an RV. Although, some words about the black/gray drain system would be nice. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! I try to provide a pretty in-depth look but naturally can't cover EVERY nut, bolt, and widget in each video. I appreciate the suggestion though!
How would you compare this one to the 179RB when it comes to "Bang for Your Buck"?
They both say "Wildwood," but the Xlite and FSX are actually two different groups under a shared banner with different facilities and management teams. They work together and make their products obviously look similar with similar equipment as much as possible however. They have a healthy relationship.
Each product is purpose built and equipped for a slightly different target buyer. The 179 has a rare corner murphy / jiffy bed and is about the smallest you can get a camper with double/double bunks.
The 171 here is sort of what happens if you seek a tandem axle 179. You're getting a little bigger and more expensive, but picking up a walk around bed, easier towing tandems, and things like bigger fridge for your trouble's and cost.
I think they're an equivalent exchange of "value" in terms of features per dollar. One simply has more features for more dollars.
I go back and forth between them personally. I dont know which I like better myself
I like it. Sensible, nothing too weird or different.
There was a similar model you did recently that had a sliding door for the bathroom. I think that would be perfect on this model as well.
I don't remember you mentioning the furnace though? Does it also work through the ducts on the ceiling? We do like to camp late in the year and a good furnace & heat management is essential for us.
A quick check, but I couldn't find a dealer here in Ontario that sells these, and I think you are just a bit too far away to make that work. Crossing the border is also a bit of an issue.
Thanks
We work with clients in Ontario all the time. Give our team a fair shake at working with you and you might be surprised. We can answer all your questions & provide clarity regarding things like rv delivery and/or cross-boarder handling. All we ask is an opportunity in return for our efforts here. You can contact our team any time at www.haylettautoandrv.com/contact/
Is this EverChill 10.7 cu ft 12V Fridge something we will be seeing more of in the industry?
Absolutely. Furrion has also busted into the 12v fridge market in a HUGE way
I like the size of this trailer and many of the features , however , many Murphy beds don't appear to be very walk around friendly .
Depends on how they're done. Passport Murphy Beds are just as easy to walk around as their non-murphy models. Here's Passport's version of this layout: bit.ly/35OAwgg
Pa dump! This one is great. Love all the hanging closet space.
I guarantee you guy's will sell alot of this floorplan. She is a gem 👍
They *really* nailed this one, didn't they?
Absolutely
Is this rated for full time RVing 0-100 F for winter camping?
No RVs in this class are 0-100 tested and proven. The Jay Flight with thermal package would be the closest.
Maybe in the South. There's a limit to the amount of insulation that you can expect. You can get on Amazon and find shore water hoses that are heated
enough to keep water coming-in down to well-below zero, which might help.
They vary in price, depending-upon length, and how far-down they'll go. Might look at CANADIAN-made trailers, if you're concerned about cold.
Josh, Could a 2" Foam Topper be Added and still be able to Convert to the Sofa?
Shouldn't be an issue. Those things typically compress down so much it's not a problem on pretty much any murphy bed I've ever personally used
And if nothing else you can always just roll a side of them away if needed to make everything fit nicely.
Nice rv... you’ve shown so many great options...I have a Honda Ridgeline with max towing of
5k... what would be some recommendations
Too opened ended to answer here real quick. Contact our team, let them know what interests you, and they can provide some specific options
Would the 2019 VW Atlas be able to tow this? It’s rated at 5K towing.
Josh, can you option in an enclosed under belly with tank heaters?
N/A on Xlite
Full Wildwoods have enclosed and heated bellies standard. It's part of the variance between them
@@JoshtheRVNerd I was afraid of that well Ty for answering.
What is the actual length? There are different lengths shown in the video vs the website
I probably had a bonehead moment. It is 22'5" tip to tail.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks
How can I get this bad puppy to central Florida though would need 15000BTU A/C
Just call 800-256-5196 & we'll get your personal build spec'd & quoted with or without RV delivery right to your front door!
Very nice.
Josh I noticed in a couple of your videos with the Murphy bed up the back of your head would be touching the bottom of the bed. Maybe it's just the camera view from straight on
Depends on the exact type of murphy bed in question. These 1pc strut assisted beds give plenty of headroom. The "Jiffy Sofa Sleeper" style in the FSX Wildwoods doesn't have a gap between the sofa and bed-wall, but the bed wall is also straight vertical so it's fine.
Really like this floorplan. Stupid question, has there ever been a trailer with a factory installed pet area/cage?
Yes, rarely. Fairly easy aftermarket conversion. I would like to see more of it
I have 2017 version and it’s horrible. Components are cheap,1/2 have failed,too many to list. Thing I hate most is you can’t reach the back of the bed to make it. Other than the bed, the design is good,just needs better quality components and workmanship.This 2020 model did have some improvements.
Would imagine the first height listed at top is hitch weight
lol -- yes. Thank you. How did I manage THAT one?!
The angle of that Murphy bed concerns me. Not that it looks like it would fall on you, but that sitting in the sofa you wouldn't be able to lean back. It looks like you would hit your head before you would sit back all the way.
And that's the difference between seeing it in person and just on screen. There's plenty of room and the locks prevent it from falling on you. Good theoretical concerns, but in practical application they prove to be non-issues!
Being a 12v fridge, if you’re plugged into
shore power, will the batteries stay charged? On board charger to keep batteries full?
Converter will keep batteries charged while plugged into shore power with 12v fridge. With Shore power you never have to worry about running out of anything basically.