Moonkin The War Within Class Rework

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
  • Moonkin The War Within Class Rework

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  • @user-bb2vk4wn2o
    @user-bb2vk4wn2o 4 месяца назад +20

    starsurge has a cooldown for all non-balance specs

    • @Trevan2412
      @Trevan2412 4 месяца назад +2

      I don't mean to be abrasive to PvP players, but from my experience they tend to be extremely hyperfocused on their specific situation. The new Nature's Grace looks like an amazing quality of life feature for PvE which is the majority of the playerbase, likewise I'm not too surprised that a one trick PvP player doesn't know about even the other specs of the class he's playing.
      You ask me tho, BfA balance druid was peak design. Dunno why they changed it.
      EDIT: For some fucking reason RUclips sometimes won't allow me to comment so I'm editing this instead
      ​@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows.
      But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP.
      The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

    • @StrobeFireStudios
      @StrobeFireStudios 4 месяца назад

      @@Trevan2412 Definitely BfA balance felt really good.

    • @Trevan2412
      @Trevan2412 3 месяца назад

      ​@@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows.
      But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP.
      The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

    • @Trevan2412
      @Trevan2412 3 месяца назад

      ​@@bobby69-420 There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows.
      But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP.
      The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

    • @Trevan2412
      @Trevan2412 3 месяца назад

      @@bobby69-420 ​ There's no irony there, "being able to fight other players" doesn't correlate with "not being a one-trick". I also doubt you've ever done high mythic dungeon keys if you think it's that easy, in fact looking at how both systems work the difficulty is adaptative, therefore equivalent: PvP matchmaking places you against players of your skill level, and mythic dungeons allow you to climb as high as your skill level allows.
      But let's go back and look at what you said. Your first sentence is an attempt to minimize my opinion by insulting my skill level (And don't you also kill players "on repeat to get higher number gear, rinse and repeat"?). Then you say that I "don't care about deep class mechanics which actually matter in PvP" which is something I've never said, rather that just because something is not useful in PvP doesn't mean it should be removed because it can be very nice for PvE players to have. Likewise, some talents have a very limitted PvE use but you don't see me asking for them to be removed because I know they are useful in PvP.
      The rest of your message is you trying to discredit my opinion further by ranting about how PvP players are just sooo much better than PvE players. You really sound like a person who's "ego was shattered", FYI

  • @breadmanfun
    @breadmanfun 4 месяца назад +4

    I wish Blizz would make Full Moon the boomy iconic ability. I swear every boomy loves a nice Full Moon crit. Blizz needs to make it viable. Give it a faster cast time and maybe a single target option that gives it beefy dmg. #MakeFullMoonGreat

  • @tbrogoit02
    @tbrogoit02 4 месяца назад +2

    As a long-time druid player that Fluid Form looks amazing... the flow you can get with that.

  • @intothewind9320
    @intothewind9320 4 месяца назад +3

    i just hate it when devs start cooking

  • @Kanoog
    @Kanoog 4 месяца назад +3

    Moonkin already broke the DF record for being top tier without being nerfed for so long, I honestly can't think of another one that has been so viable.

    • @jimmy8693
      @jimmy8693 4 месяца назад

      I bet you don’t play it

  • @MrJeremydb91
    @MrJeremydb91 4 месяца назад +6

    At least the monk changes are amazing

    • @eliotness107
      @eliotness107 4 месяца назад +2

      I was just thinking about that! looks like i will continue to main monk into next expansion :)

    • @okiv99
      @okiv99 4 месяца назад

      What changes specifically?

    • @alvinkada317
      @alvinkada317 4 месяца назад

      I used to main monk in MoP and WoD. But ever since they took away Tigereye brew and the stun from fist of fury I hated WW ever since. I miss the big burst lockdown play style WW used to have. );

    • @13samfootball
      @13samfootball 4 месяца назад

      ​@@okiv99mobility

  • @WarMonkeyPlays
    @WarMonkeyPlays 4 месяца назад

    The damage buff to wrath is a slap in the face when you consider one of the hero trees prevents you from entering solar eclipse or something like that.

  • @colonelsanders3911
    @colonelsanders3911 4 месяца назад +12

    The druid class designers are just lost

  • @opo3628
    @opo3628 4 месяца назад +1

    Not surprising. Boomkin has been in the PvP meta for a while now, and Blizz has probably decided that it's "over-performing". 🤷‍♂

  • @fok8810
    @fok8810 4 месяца назад +1

    Moonkin was my favorite

  • @stoneblood9864
    @stoneblood9864 4 месяца назад +14

    Cyclone needs to have a cooldown #cantchangemymind

    • @bimjybam
      @bimjybam 4 месяца назад +1

      Feral would be dead then xD

    • @EMdragonKnight
      @EMdragonKnight 4 месяца назад

      Given that we won't have defensives or stuns then we need to keep cyclone.

    • @Chedaarek
      @Chedaarek 4 месяца назад +5

      If cyclone needs it, then Fear or Polymorph should have it too

    • @stoneblood9864
      @stoneblood9864 4 месяца назад

      @@Chedaarekfear and poly break on damage. cyclone doesnt.

    • @p3ngi3
      @p3ngi3 4 месяца назад

      Your bad at PvP

  • @generalgrievous3731
    @generalgrievous3731 4 месяца назад

    Look on the bright side tho. At least Soothe isn't gatekeeping the entire middle section so you dont have to waste a point on it

  • @Phantaram
    @Phantaram 4 месяца назад +1

    Is fury of elune something that can be dispelled or does it dispel magic? The wording is not clear.

  • @kalasmournrex1470
    @kalasmournrex1470 4 месяца назад

    Starsurge has a cooldown for every spec that isn’t balance

  • @jenat82
    @jenat82 4 месяца назад

    Druid tree is probably the worst for this. It's on live gatekeeping a load of useful stuff behind chicken form.

  • @krisumusic
    @krisumusic 4 месяца назад

    As a feral I had to waste a lot of talents to get clone and extra range as well. So now it's time for boomkins to feel that xD

    • @tankstompdruid9939
      @tankstompdruid9939 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah its not the druid tree its the balance side of the tree

  • @filipfenix
    @filipfenix 4 месяца назад

    Watch this travesty stay unchanged, and then just add x% buff to everything to keep the PVE moonkins shut. Sad.

  • @kalasmournrex1470
    @kalasmournrex1470 4 месяца назад

    I really assumed they meant Fury of Elune is a purge now. Hm. It could be all the fury of elune procs from the hero tree necessitate its being dispellable?

  • @eric4143
    @eric4143 4 месяца назад +1

    Balance is already awesome given that garbage pulsar is finally being removed

    • @Paul-px1ww
      @Paul-px1ww 3 месяца назад

      but pulsar is so fun

  • @nikolajhaastrup9787
    @nikolajhaastrup9787 4 месяца назад

    @supatease, very sad. This is how feral is before rework

  • @goku8586
    @goku8586 4 месяца назад +1

    dang supa freaking out

  • @gandzsaman
    @gandzsaman 4 месяца назад

    SS has a cd on non boomie specs
    cd redu doesn't really matter for boomie. We just like the +5% dmg on it

  • @EMdragonKnight
    @EMdragonKnight 4 месяца назад

    Sounds like to me blizzard wants to make us not rely on our spenders. Which as someone who is the kill target in pvp I'm not loving. Our defensive involves us not doing anything so being able to go on the offense after the danger passed was good. Now it sounds like we got to hope our dot build is viable and be a subpar lock.

  • @Ferahgo11
    @Ferahgo11 4 месяца назад

    I know it's a meme to wonder if these devs even play any of these classes or specs at a high level, but consistently seeing changes in these directions makes a long-time druid player exceedingly frustrated and genuinely wonder if the dev really knows the class well enough to consider making these changes in the first place.

    • @martin9202
      @martin9202 4 месяца назад

      I can answer this for you (not working directly for Blizzard), but the answer is NO... I work on a game for around 45h/week... after work I spend time with my dogs, family, wife... I go outside, excercise and in the evenings usually study or research new technologies... On the weekeds I play some time, but usually other games since the one I see every single day for over 5 years now... So answer on your question is NO

  • @Kronosbattlemaps
    @Kronosbattlemaps 4 месяца назад

    Still to early, Boomy will still pop off. Blizzard love boomkins. they'll be fine.

  • @R0NO1
    @R0NO1 4 месяца назад

    Already hated the class tree for druid in df alpha till now. Sad they can’t get druid right!

  • @kazimirjinkins1516
    @kazimirjinkins1516 4 месяца назад

    hero talents make me nervous, it reminds me of convent abilities except hero talents are more accessible.

    • @Bladius_
      @Bladius_ 4 месяца назад +1

      Covenant abilities were good though, which is why a lot of them carried over to talent trees, the issue was the goofy restrictions on swapping them.

  • @Extremepally
    @Extremepally 4 месяца назад

    Starsurge has a CD and costs mana as other druid specs psure.

  • @Aftalife82
    @Aftalife82 4 месяца назад

    starsurge cd is for non balance spec.

  • @SQLdb
    @SQLdb 4 месяца назад

    ARMS talent tree is a major rip as well.

  • @slzzz237
    @slzzz237 4 месяца назад

    FIRST LOOK AT ALPHA 1!!!
    MY CLASS IS DEAD!!!!
    If only there was enough time to do something about it...

    • @thevezir
      @thevezir 4 месяца назад +1

      just like on DF where druid class talents were never reworked or changed throughout entire DF...up until... now and they basically made them worse somehow, i didnt even thought it was possible to make something that was garbage, even worse

    • @elefusion5142
      @elefusion5142 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah the doomer mindset is quite high. I definitely get giving early feedback and letting them know what's wrong though. I'm just glad feral seems to be so much better now

    • @Ferahgo11
      @Ferahgo11 4 месяца назад +1

      It's mostly the concern that after how many years, trees are updated by people who seemingly have never played the spec/class before in all content. Very frustrating for long time players to see such glaringly and obviously bad ideas consistently be put forth.

  • @boostly654
    @boostly654 4 месяца назад

    WHY?!? would they take the time to do this and still ignore FDK?

  • @kalasmournrex1470
    @kalasmournrex1470 4 месяца назад

    Meh, on feral we had to take a bunch of worthless balance talents to get range increase, way more than 2 points. You can still afford to get the defensive talents. Also protector of the pack was great for Guardian and Feral both. They should have removed garbage nature’s vigil instead :(

  • @chase5400
    @chase5400 4 месяца назад

    Star surge has a cool down for all non balance specs lol supa

  • @la7era1u54
    @la7era1u54 4 месяца назад

    The spec needs more than a rework. It needs a redesign. It is literally the least fun spec in the game and has been for the longest time. This is not sarcasm, I mean every word

  • @alexsanchez1620
    @alexsanchez1620 4 месяца назад

    i think resto druids cant get moonkin form or well any druid now besides balance

  • @Roachehh
    @Roachehh 4 месяца назад

    Why the fuck do blizzard just fuck up certain classes for no reason

  • @cycedclone6935
    @cycedclone6935 4 месяца назад

    No bind for moonkin form is gonna make for some muscle memory changes to shift out of roots if you just have to cast moonkin abilities to shift so you would have to shift to cat or bear then press wrath to shift out of roots? Is that correct?

    • @DiasTAPvP
      @DiasTAPvP 4 месяца назад +1

      im pretty sure there will still be a bind for your forms, fluid form just makes it so you dont have to waste globals on shapeshifting if you dont need to

  • @Eliteninja007
    @Eliteninja007 4 месяца назад

    After the propaganda against ret paladins, well deserved karma :D

  • @chase5400
    @chase5400 4 месяца назад

    Auto frenzy regen reminds me of legion Paladin auto bubble no skill required xd

  • @akirameru675
    @akirameru675 4 месяца назад

    RIP

  • @natashabenjamin4222
    @natashabenjamin4222 4 месяца назад

    Oh. 😢

  • @hardy2921
    @hardy2921 4 месяца назад +4

    Clone is what needed nerfs

    • @ludovicgomessilva404
      @ludovicgomessilva404 4 месяца назад +4

      Fine, nerf Cyclones but how about nerfing micro CCs ? I don't think cyclone is that big of a deal in terms of balance.

    • @Its_Magz
      @Its_Magz 4 месяца назад +2

      Nah clone is fine on feral and resto

    • @FCBcubano
      @FCBcubano 4 месяца назад

      Why? Then by that logic nerf hex, poly, nerf fear nerf sleep walk.all the other cc with no cds

    • @hardy2921
      @hardy2921 4 месяца назад

      @@FCBcubano are you dumb? All those break on damage

    • @p3ngi3
      @p3ngi3 4 месяца назад

      No it doesn’t. Your just bad has the same dr as anything

  • @glennvanrymenant3118
    @glennvanrymenant3118 4 месяца назад

    Lets see

  • @FCBcubano
    @FCBcubano 4 месяца назад

    He can't say reroĺl. Mate plays every class

    • @Supatease
      @Supatease  4 месяца назад +5

      Good point

    • @Kanoog
      @Kanoog 4 месяца назад

      Think he meant, remain.

  • @mageman483
    @mageman483 4 месяца назад

    The changes for boomy for pvp are really bad. And the general tree is annoying for defensives for pve and pvp. Whoever "redesigned" the tree needs to be fired.

  • @magdabrownis265
    @magdabrownis265 4 месяца назад

    Nerf clone

  • @MagiRaz
    @MagiRaz 4 месяца назад

    remove pvp from game, kthxbai

  • @user-bb2vk4wn2o
    @user-bb2vk4wn2o 4 месяца назад

    After clicking through on wowhead, the Druid tree is not that bad. You can easily get all of the required talents in the feral side and everything you need on the balance side. This video is an overreaction.

  • @p3ngi3
    @p3ngi3 4 месяца назад

    People that play Druid are s tier. If people can’t see it, they are d tier players. 🤷🏻‍♂️ we lose a gcd just shapeshifting and they cry about clone. Just sayin

  • @martin9202
    @martin9202 4 месяца назад

    First of all, if you freaking out over first alpha build… you need to see a doctor… for your own good… secondly, I hope all casters get back to the time when they actually cast spells… not like you’re chasing ele shamy who for like 10min didn’t cast a single spell… all instant… that has to change…

    • @xfozzypx115
      @xfozzypx115 4 месяца назад

      How do you think alpha builds get changed and balanced?… by people playing and either complaining or loving it and reporting on it. Kind of the point of these pre builds lol.

    • @Ferahgo11
      @Ferahgo11 4 месяца назад +1

      @Ferahgo11
      0 seconds ago
      It's mostly the concern that after how many years, trees are updated by people who seemingly have never played the spec/class before in all content. Very frustrating for long time players to see such glaringly and obviously bad ideas consistently be put forth.

    • @martin9202
      @martin9202 4 месяца назад

      @@oabh1808 Not sure about that... DF has been pretty fun for me... First expansion since Panda I keep playing all seasons... CD bloat, Mobility creep, micro cc, stacking passives bloat... yes it's been worse and worse... However, tuning, balance, talents and the core gameplay has been pretty good... I pretty enjoy playing the game again... I'm excited for TWW!

    • @martin9202
      @martin9202 4 месяца назад

      @@xfozzypx115 definetly not by crying after first alpha build that they need to reroll immediatly... I always value constructive feedback... but feedback like "ahh my class is not OP anymore I need to reroll)... that doesn't help... Also I think the trees are going in right dicrection... direction of choice... do i want more offense or defense... I like that

    • @martin9202
      @martin9202 4 месяца назад

      @@Ferahgo11 I agree and disagree... First of all, it's a job... you cannot expect people who are spending over 40h/week working on a game to play the game like uneployed people/youtubers... also they're not payed for playing the game... That's game designer job to come up with interesting and elegant mechanics which will work for the game and players... it's imposible to satisfy every player... then there is a budget... game designer has to fit their ideas into the budget... that's why more often than not we get something with good potential, but it's not really finished as it supposed to be... I'm not saying they're doing an incredible job, I'm just saying it's easy to criticize everything.... 🤷