the recent court case involving the e.p.a. makes me wonder when some of these company's will file suit on f.d.a. ( i think its the fda that has regulated these lasers) their selling alot more equipment to civilians here in the us than they sell to the government.
I actually don’t think that we’ll get anything near LE/MIL FP lasers readily available. With that much LASIK surgery pointers that can come off on guns and portable I don’t think it’ll happen
I made the switch to 550 cord attachments on my NV rifle as well for the same reasons. Also, less noise. Recently had a QD attachment fail and that was the final push to use 550 cord. Nice video.
I’ve been going back to clicky caps on all my lights but prefer to put my sling as far forward as I can on the left. But now my lights are all in the way. I can believe I didn’t think about using 550 cord instead of a QD
I run a DBAL A2 and the 18350 (probably 18650 too) Reptilia light body pairs up perfectly to snug the light up under the laser. Have a Hot Button for the light and use the on board laser button. Has been a great setup.
550 cord is a great idea for front attachment! I recently switched to a BFG UWL from a QD and I like it but they are pricey, I'll try that. Moves the triglide or hardware out of the way of the hand
Good vid. Glad you set up your Mawl and switches like we have been running for years. I remember showing you a couple years ago and glad to see you’ve adopted that setup. I have since went to a newer placement for the Cloud light switch which is about as comfortable as our old setup you’re running. Takes a little getting used to but weight wise it’s less. Always have to keep weight in mind.
best light mount so far ive seen is the overbore systems SWVL works with the MAWL and many other lasers keeps my shit tucked tight against the rail but i dont have to take the head off of the light for adjustment
I have had lots of trouble with my unity axon. The light lead keeps shorting out causing flickering. Will be my second time sending it back. Its a shame as I love the layout and controls of the axon.
Unity issues. Had the same issue with a mod button. If you are not using an a DS00 tail cap, it could be the issue. Either way I went back to surefire because it works better imo.
Great explanation video on your different setup. I iust picked up a DBAL A3 and I'd like to know which Axon button you have since they have a DBAL specific button. Thank you.
I'm very torn on running my light under the mawl and using a modbutton lite dual lead for it and the laser, or just running them both a bit further forward and white light on left side, mawl on right, no modbutton. Paralysis of analysis. Pro- Light/Laser can momentary at the same time. Con- Noone I know trusts remotes, and the chances of a white light ND are much higher, coupled with the fact that in the dark, under stress, there are 3 buttons on top of the rail, and although they feel different, through gloves...I dunno. Seems like mistakes could be made since I'm not some tier 1 train 24/7 with the pin-hole covers kinda guy.
@@charalamposandrikopoulos6788 Silent Solutions has a video explaining the differences. Search "MAWL variants" and it should be the first video. Third video down is this channel explaining the programing.
Do you have a little trouble when you switch from rifle to rifle/laser setup to setup? Seems like with the different button options you'd be a little slower with certain applications? Maybe I'm overthinking it?
It takes a little dry practice but it isn't hard to swap over. It would be like saying carrying IWB and using OWB holster will make you forget where the gun is.
Do you use that setup when you shoot??? Because I was wondering how you keep your mall from melting down for one and for 2. How do you keep the lenses clean with the muzzle flash break smoke heat??
I haven't had mine melt even with my heavy shooting days. I shoot suppressed the majority of the time so I dont have that issue. If it is for you just bring it back a couple Pic sections so you don't get as dirty, that goes for any laser though.
Problem with the axon is under recoil you can easily lock on the light/laser switch. I just got one and didn't realize it had that constant on. Will be returning it.
@@KineticConsulting I get it...some people may want to be able to turn their light to constant on with firing their rifle through recoil. I think that is a bad idea.
@@JD-uy5jsdepends on your application man. Sometimes you may want it it man. Think post engagement stuff. You may need to keep eyes and lights on something. But you do you man.
I run an Axon to a Surefire UE tailcap on an Arisaka body. I get a fair amount of flickering in the light or it can just shut off under firing or moving the male end of the Axon. Have you run into this? Duct tape has been helping for now
Is that last setup with the A3 a decent setup for a 1.54” height LPVO with piggie? How would that sight picture fare? Been toying with that setup to avoid the price of a MAWL, but will pony up if that’s the best option. Thanks for another great video!
I have a 1.54 scope and a peq. I’ve also used DBALs on the setup before. It’s on your sight picture until you get to 3-4ish zoom and you don’t really see it anymore. It may reduce the light transmission a little bit if it does it hasn’t bothered me. On 1x it just looks like a red dot at an absolute cowitness and a laser out front. I just keep my other eye open and it’s a non issue for me
Let’s dive into a “hunt” setup. NVG’s to walk out and thermals to scan and put cross hairs on is nice. Nothing like walking through the woods and getting a boar 🐗 come at ya! Instant white light, laser, red dot or whatever your SOP is. That’s as real world as it can get past the shoot house and steel targets. Let us see some content! This might surpass the traveling with firearms video! ❤
Question, figured I'd ask you since you eat and breath nvd's. Are lasers getting to the point of warranted testing through power meters before classes? Reason i ask is the growing prevalence of chinese lasers. Lasers that some ppl have claimed are as high as class 4. Class 4 being so powerful that even looking at the reflection spot can cause instant permanent eye damage, much less a direct beam to the eye. I would imagine for any fvf class, a thorough checking of the training screws would be done for the users with full power devices, but what's to say someone has a counterfeit device where even the low power mode is considerably higher, being that China just doesn't give a shit about fda laser classes. Plenty of ppl are reluctant to buy the 300$ legit Chinese death rays, and go for grey market L3 peq's instead...can we be certain they are in fact L3? Or could they be counterfeits? Only real way to tell is with shining the beam through a power meter. What are your thoughts?
Do you worry about ND of IR laser when you only mean to use white light with the Axon sync? Seems like a bit of a concern given lasers potential effects on eyes
@@KineticConsulting You have managed to slide "Girth" and "Floppy" into two short sentences. That said, probably a stupid question, but sincere...how do you keep the 550 from "moving fore or aft" where you want it, if you don't sammich it between devices? Is there a clip/accessory or something I'm not seeing that holds it?
the recent court case involving the e.p.a. makes me wonder when some of these company's will file suit on f.d.a. ( i think its the fda that has regulated these lasers) their selling alot more equipment to civilians here in the us than they sell to the government.
I actually don’t think that we’ll get anything near LE/MIL FP lasers readily available. With that much LASIK surgery pointers that can come off on guns and portable I don’t think it’ll happen
They know we will buy whatever.
I made the switch to 550 cord attachments on my NV rifle as well for the same reasons. Also, less noise. Recently had a QD attachment fail and that was the final push to use 550 cord. Nice video.
Big fan of the axon. I have mine running to my d2 and light. Hard to ND the laser button too
KC has to be the most relaxing channel on YT
Dude, uve been reading my mind lately, all the vids uve been putting out are the common questions ive had.. thank you sir..
I’ve been going back to clicky caps on all my lights but prefer to put my sling as far forward as I can on the left. But now my lights are all in the way. I can believe I didn’t think about using 550 cord instead of a QD
I run a DBAL A2 and the 18350 (probably 18650 too) Reptilia light body pairs up perfectly to snug the light up under the laser. Have a Hot Button for the light and use the on board laser button. Has been a great setup.
550 cord is a great idea for front attachment! I recently switched to a BFG UWL from a QD and I like it but they are pricey, I'll try that. Moves the triglide or hardware out of the way of the hand
Good vid. Glad you set up your Mawl and switches like we have been running for years. I remember showing you a couple years ago and glad to see you’ve adopted that setup. I have since went to a newer placement for the Cloud light switch which is about as comfortable as our old setup you’re running. Takes a little getting used to but weight wise it’s less. Always have to keep weight in mind.
Brooo that watch tan 😂
Great video.
Unity has some awesome switches to choose from.
best light mount so far ive seen is the overbore systems SWVL works with the MAWL and many other lasers keeps my shit tucked tight against the rail but i dont have to take the head off of the light for adjustment
Insane value, as always. Curious why you have some tape on the end of your lights?
Adds some grip to remove the heads to charge stuff
Exact same setup I run with my MAWL and light on my 11.5”🍪
Good info
I have had lots of trouble with my unity axon. The light lead keeps shorting out causing flickering. Will be my second time sending it back. Its a shame as I love the layout and controls of the axon.
Weird. I haven't seen that personally
Unity issues. Had the same issue with a mod button. If you are not using an a DS00 tail cap, it could be the issue. Either way I went back to surefire because it works better imo.
Great explanation video on your different setup. I iust picked up a DBAL A3 and I'd like to know which Axon button you have since they have a DBAL specific button. Thank you.
I have the dbal specific one, since I'm using a dbal. That's what I would suggest.
What are the pros and cons to using dedicated laser modules and illuminators vs a combo unit?
Quite a few. I'll have to make a video.
Basically figuring out mounting combos to get the ir laser centered into the illum is a pain
I'm very torn on running my light under the mawl and using a modbutton lite dual lead for it and the laser, or just running them both a bit further forward and white light on left side, mawl on right, no modbutton. Paralysis of analysis.
Pro- Light/Laser can momentary at the same time.
Con- Noone I know trusts remotes, and the chances of a white light ND are much higher, coupled with the fact that in the dark, under stress, there are 3 buttons on top of the rail, and although they feel different, through gloves...I dunno. Seems like mistakes could be made since I'm not some tier 1 train 24/7 with the pin-hole covers kinda guy.
If you spend a little time with each you'll figure out what you like. I flip flop all the time to just try more stuff.
I would like to know the difference between the mawl c1+ the DA and the X1 ( I know about the ER the ER stands for extended range)
The da and x1 are pretty much the same.
@@KineticConsulting so what's the difference between them and the c1+
@@charalamposandrikopoulos6788 Programming. DA is just the full power variant
@@charalamposandrikopoulos6788 Silent Solutions has a video explaining the differences. Search "MAWL variants" and it should be the first video. Third video down is this channel explaining the programing.
Do you have a little trouble when you switch from rifle to rifle/laser setup to setup? Seems like with the different button options you'd be a little slower with certain applications? Maybe I'm overthinking it?
It takes a little dry practice but it isn't hard to swap over. It would be like saying carrying IWB and using OWB holster will make you forget where the gun is.
Do you use that setup when you shoot??? Because I was wondering how you keep your mall from melting down for one and for 2. How do you keep the lenses clean with the muzzle flash break smoke heat??
I haven't had mine melt even with my heavy shooting days. I shoot suppressed the majority of the time so I dont have that issue. If it is for you just bring it back a couple Pic sections so you don't get as dirty, that goes for any laser though.
Have you gotten to demo the BE Meyers DAGIR yet?
Problem with the axon is under recoil you can easily lock on the light/laser switch. I just got one and didn't realize it had that constant on. Will be returning it.
Some may want or need that function man.
@@KineticConsulting I get it...some people may want to be able to turn their light to constant on with firing their rifle through recoil. I think that is a bad idea.
@@JD-uy5jsdepends on your application man. Sometimes you may want it it man. Think post engagement stuff. You may need to keep eyes and lights on something. But you do you man.
Dude how do you like the legacy body?!
I run an Axon to a Surefire UE tailcap on an Arisaka body. I get a fair amount of flickering in the light or it can just shut off under firing or moving the male end of the Axon. Have you run into this? Duct tape has been helping for now
I've heard quite a few times that it is an issue with the UE tailcaps causing flickering. The DS tailcaps seem to not have that issue
@Ravioli Formuoli yeah that's what I've read too... just didn't want to pony up for a tailcap that is obviously overpriced and heavier.... thanks
Find the position where things work (rotate the male end), and fix them in place with ranger band that’s my current solution
@WGTS Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing with the duct tape
Is that last setup with the A3 a decent setup for a 1.54” height LPVO with piggie? How would that sight picture fare? Been toying with that setup to avoid the price of a MAWL, but will pony up if that’s the best option. Thanks for another great video!
Wish I bought a MAWL first thing. I suggest it. Can find them used on for sub 3 usually
I have a 1.54 scope and a peq. I’ve also used DBALs on the setup before. It’s on your sight picture until you get to 3-4ish zoom and you don’t really see it anymore. It may reduce the light transmission a little bit if it does it hasn’t bothered me.
On 1x it just looks like a red dot at an absolute cowitness and a laser out front. I just keep my other eye open and it’s a non issue for me
Let’s dive into a “hunt” setup. NVG’s to walk out and thermals to scan and put cross hairs on is nice. Nothing like walking through the woods and getting a boar 🐗 come at ya! Instant white light, laser, red dot or whatever your SOP is. That’s as real world as it can get past the shoot house and steel targets. Let us see some content! This might surpass the traveling with firearms video! ❤
Question, figured I'd ask you since you eat and breath nvd's. Are lasers getting to the point of warranted testing through power meters before classes? Reason i ask is the growing prevalence of chinese lasers. Lasers that some ppl have claimed are as high as class 4. Class 4 being so powerful that even looking at the reflection spot can cause instant permanent eye damage, much less a direct beam to the eye. I would imagine for any fvf class, a thorough checking of the training screws would be done for the users with full power devices, but what's to say someone has a counterfeit device where even the low power mode is considerably higher, being that China just doesn't give a shit about fda laser classes. Plenty of ppl are reluctant to buy the 300$ legit Chinese death rays, and go for grey market L3 peq's instead...can we be certain they are in fact L3? Or could they be counterfeits? Only real way to tell is with shining the beam through a power meter. What are your thoughts?
If it's a fof class, I think it's definitely warranted. When it comes to use of lasers it's not worth it to blind dudes in training.
Would you recommend the a3 vs the d2? Obviously the MAWL or NGAL would be the best but for budget reasons I'm curious. Thank you
D2 if you don't mind the size. The A3 is usefully small it's illuminator just suffers.
Do you worry about ND of IR laser when you only mean to use white light with the Axon sync? Seems like a bit of a concern given lasers potential effects on eyes
Depends on what you're doing. There is definitely a concern if you don't need to be
Is the last gun a 12.5 cobalt?
Came here to ask this.
Yes
Thoughts on intentionally going with citizen power laser for less detection, FP's more detectable from various angles.
If you're worried about detection in IR then get a civ laser is fine.
Do you have any thoughts/opinions on the Hydra mount?
Yup. I don't think it's worth the down falls if it's not in a shorter gun.
I saw that negligent white light discharge!!!
How do you tie the 550 for the front and rear and is there a viable single point doing it?
I use a girth hitch. Single point slings setups on an AR are not viable, even more floppy with a 550
@@KineticConsulting Awesome thats the feedback I was wanting. Thanks!
@@KineticConsulting You have managed to slide "Girth" and "Floppy" into two short sentences. That said, probably a stupid question, but sincere...how do you keep the 550 from "moving fore or aft" where you want it, if you don't sammich it between devices? Is there a clip/accessory or something I'm not seeing that holds it?
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews I do what I can. The Proctor sling has a slider that keeps it and the condition One Group sling has one too