O my gosh! Sometimes scientists are ignoramuses. Everybody who had a pet knows that animals have emotions. Thank you for such an interesting lecture. So sad that it doesn't have more views.
I figured that out when I pushed my cat away from the inlet to the cooling fan on my laptop. She literally stomped out of the room and slammed her cat door shut (I mean she usually slips out silently). I was just beginning to figure out that what I thought is what actually happened when I heard her calling out to me from the fucking roof! okay so maybe that's not proof but she definitely got my attention. what really drove it home for me is when I'd come home to find her waiting to greet me at the door and casually walked past her without acknowledging her.... Yeah, don't do that - it hurts their feelings. and your ankle lol
"Our cognitive apparatus tends to follow our feelings" - J.P. Not until we understand the relationship between our inner voice and our emotional state do we have even a remote chance of creating a simulation of a human being that behaves and speaks like a human without any help, which is often what "AI" specifically refers. And not until we understand the relationship between REM activity and the learning of complex language do we have a chance of understanding how our inner voice interacts with our emotions.
And, the "lower" emotional centers process faster by 2 milliseconds, than the "higher"neocortex, stimuli. The reductionism used to study such things would seem, intuitively (and pragmatically) to be re-integrated prior to drawing any useful conclusions.
Neuropsychology has nothing to do with affective feelings that’s why. That field has always been entrenched in the neuro side of psychology only and explaining the mechanisms without talking about what it FEELS like when those mechanisms are activating.
@@xTwistedFleshX I mean, Neuropsychology today for sure takes affect into account. But yes, I get how Grey would talk about anxiety from a behavioral perspective and not from a phenomenological one.
If it is wrong to deny that babies feel pain then it is also right to deny that, that babies have psychological responce to pain. And no one can tell me if they remember feeling pain when they were babies.
Recollection requires a more advanced brain and language. Most people do not have memories for events before age of 4. But, and this is a biggy, sensations/feelings before that time exist "in the body", and are experienced without context in early trauma. For example, "Cry it out" infants, a la Dr. Spock's well-meaning yet clearly misguided advice, created a likely not insignificant number of adults who are perpetually inundated with sensations which are literally "too painful to feel", says the adult mind. It was, at that time, and Somatic Psychologies know this to be true.
O my gosh! Sometimes scientists are ignoramuses. Everybody who had a pet knows that animals have emotions. Thank you for such an interesting lecture. So sad that it doesn't have more views.
This is how science progresses. Clever eh?
I figured that out when I pushed my cat away from the inlet to the cooling fan on my laptop. She literally stomped out of the room and slammed her cat door shut (I mean she usually slips out silently). I was just beginning to figure out that what I thought is what actually happened when I heard her calling out to me from the fucking roof!
okay so maybe that's not proof but she definitely got my attention. what really drove it home for me is when I'd come home to find her waiting to greet me at the door and casually walked past her without acknowledging her.... Yeah, don't do that - it hurts their feelings. and your ankle lol
Thank you greatly for the upload!
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"Our cognitive apparatus tends to follow our feelings" - J.P. Not until we understand the relationship between our inner voice and our emotional state do we have even a remote chance of creating a simulation of a human being that behaves and speaks like a human without any help, which is often what "AI" specifically refers. And not until we understand the relationship between REM activity and the learning of complex language do we have a chance of understanding how our inner voice interacts with our emotions.
And, the "lower" emotional centers process faster by 2 milliseconds, than the "higher"neocortex, stimuli. The reductionism used to study such things would seem, intuitively (and pragmatically) to be re-integrated prior to drawing any useful conclusions.
This is a great lecture filled with important information. I only wish Dr. Panksepp had hired a graphic designer to help with the slides. :)
It surprised me when Panksepp said Gray would say feelings are irrelevant, he wrote the book "The neuropsychology of anxiety".
Neuropsychology has nothing to do with affective feelings that’s why. That field has always been entrenched in the neuro side of psychology only and explaining the mechanisms without talking about what it FEELS like when those mechanisms are activating.
@@xTwistedFleshX I mean, Neuropsychology today for sure takes affect into account. But yes, I get how Grey would talk about anxiety from a behavioral perspective and not from a phenomenological one.
It may be useful to know that no persuasive chemical link between any gene and any phenotypic trait or
behavior has ever been established.
If it is wrong to deny that babies feel pain then it is also right to deny that, that babies have psychological responce to pain. And no one can tell me if they remember feeling pain when they were babies.
Recollection requires a more advanced brain and language. Most people do not have memories for events before age of 4. But, and this is a biggy, sensations/feelings before that time exist "in the body", and are experienced without context in early trauma. For example, "Cry it out" infants, a la Dr. Spock's well-meaning yet clearly misguided advice, created a likely not insignificant number of adults who are perpetually inundated with sensations which are literally "too painful to feel", says the adult mind. It was, at that time, and Somatic Psychologies know this to be true.
He sounds bitter.