DIY Electromagnetic welding table upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Hi folks welcome to Man Cave Makings with me Gus,
In this video I’ll take you through how I turned a door mag lock into this welding table insert pad so I can get a magnetised third had holdy down thingy in my welding bench, all at the flick of a switch!
The idea for this came from a live stream I did on Instagram where I did a hour build challenge live. It was an awesome experience but there were a few instances of small metal parts needing shaped and moulded with the grinder and one or two of them might have been punted over the workshop a great pace as I could hold them at the same time as using the grinder.
As I would have expected a few comments of “Gus your gonna loose a finger”, and “you should put that in a vice”, we’re all very valid but in most cases I can’t use a vice so this set my mind into overdrive.
A few days later I was sat in my office at work and as with most modern workplaces there is a security door entry system where you tap your pass on a pad on the wall to release the door. Our doors have these bloody big magnetic pads bolted to the top of the door and I had the eureka moment............I wonder how much holding force one of those things has?????
As it turns out, quite a lot! I jumped onto Google and did some research and found a brand new 24v electromagnetic door lock on eBay for £15 and what was more surprising is that it said it has 750Kg of holding force. At that point I thought even if this doesn’t work for such a small outlay this is definitely worth trying.
All I needed to do was make the aperture in one of the slats of the welding bench to receive the thinner gauge plate. The reason for doing this is the magnet would not be strong enough to energise through 12mm steel and then have any magnetism left to hold a part or anything else. I went with a 3mm plate section to maintain some level of rigidity and wear capability but being thin enough for the magnet to do its thing.
As you will see in the video I’m delighted with how this new pad will improve safety in my shop and protect my digests form the angry end of the grinder but also it has kicked off a load more possibilities in my head which is what I love!
I hope you have maybe taken some good information from the video and as always I love to hear from you so please do leave me a comment and if you liked the video consider giving a thumbs up or subscribing which would be awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch my content and as always I hope to catch you again.
Door mag lock - I’ve not put a link to this as eBay links tend to be short lived and you will have to research what you can get online but if you search under Door Mag Lock, or Door entry magnetic locks, or mag lock for door access systems you will find them easily. They are very common and as you will see very cheap to buy! Good luck guys
Power supply - I used a 240v to 24v 1A power supply which I got from Amazon and a simple double pole in line switch with some 2 core 0.75mm cable to tie it all together.
Materials
3mm plate steel
20x20x3mm angle
6mm screwed rod with nuts
Welding machine
R Tech TIG160PDC
R Tech FT-47K-CL Foot pedal
CK tig torch - CK9FX (4M no sheath)
Furick FUPA12 Ceramic cup with 2% Thoriated Tungstens (2.4mm)
Music is from epidemic sound
You can find me also @mancavemakings on Instagram 
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This is what a video should look like, energy and exitement, making the viewers feel they are part of the project,i enjoyed watching your idea becoming real and working as planed ,outstanding Mate!
Legion longe ........this has to be one of my favourite pieces of feedback to date, made my week, thank you so much! I started to share what I do in the shop with the intent of sharing knowledge and the journey so to hear that you got that from the video and took the time to send me a message means so very much to me. Thank you 🙏🏻
Great idea! Thanks partner.
Great idea Gus, that works brilliantly.
Thanks Matt such a game changer and the idea all came from that hour build challenge you witnessed........and probably laughed at as parts were flying across the shop! 👍🏻👍🏻
Great idea Gus. great work!!!
Thank you Dewayne really appreciate it pal 👍🏻
Very cool! Thank you.
Cheers Nick thanks for watching 🤜🏻🤛🏻
A magnetized, holdy down, third handy thing, INDEED SIR!!! Awesome! 🔥👍🏼🔥
You have set my mind on fire with this idea. The Mag Brake I posted yesterday on Instagram is shaking!!! 🤣
As always, love the video style and efficiency of how you tell the tale. Good seeing you Gus! Keep them coming.
You my friend are wayyyyy to kind I just love our passion for what we do and this thing has just blown my mind with how many spin off ideas this can be used for!!! Love that mag brake go give it a hug and tell it that everything’s gonna be okay 😂😂 thank you Philip you da man
Clever and ingenious, 🧲🆒
Thank you Emmett, makes cleaning parts way more safe 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Brother this is an awesome idea and has opened up the mind to more. Thank you sir.
You can definitely come back WillyRad 😎😎 super exciting that it’s sparked an idea in you Thank you 🙏🏻
What is this wizardry ?🧙♂️😲
Loved it, keep up the great content Gus 👍😁
Hahahah love that Dom, thank you brother 👊🏻👊🏻🙏🏻
So clever! Great example of convergence. Hard to believe 24V at 1amp holds 1600 lbs! Now I have to make one. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Mahalo brother, I’m not sure of the exact holding force as I’ve fitted a 3mm top plate so it definitely losses some magnetism through the plate but it holds up really well so you should try and find the maximum one you can get and give it a go. They are so cheap to buy what’s not to love!! Thanks man 👍🏻👍🏻
Love it!
Thank so much! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🙏🏻
Mate... That is genius. I'm upgrading my welding table asap.
Thank you so much Diogo, honestly the handiest little upgrade I’ve made in ages, use it all the time 👍🏻
Gonna go make one of these for my workbench.!!
Nice one Rex, such a handy little thing for small parts 💪🏻💪🏻
Good idea 👍🏽
Thanks, and much appreciated 🙏🏻👍🏻
Brilliant
Much appreciated Roma, thanks 🙏🏻
Dude this is so much better than my solution. Looks like I need to order some parts. I won’t be adding it to my weld table like you did, maybe a dedicated stand, but my new one will turn on and off. Great job and thanks for the inspiration to make my setup better. I’ll send you a link to mine which is pretty pathetic in comparison. It worked but being able to turn off the magnet. So much better. I was always thinking of a on/off magswitch type solution but this seems even better.
Amazing Chad and thanks for the DM with the link on Instagram! I would cut into tour table either it’s way nicer than mine but what a game changer it is for safety in the shop, I didn’t think about a separate stand but that would make perfect sense like you grinding stand! Thanks for give it a watch buddy and glad it’s sparked an idea or two. Thanks 🙏🏻
Great, brilliant!!!! 💡💡idea
Thanks Texn8 use it all the time, such a handy little upgrade 👍🏻👍🏻
Funktastic! really clever solution Gus, and very well executed. so that's a vice stand and a table mag mount i need to make :)
😂😂😂 these little projects keep stacking up, you might actually have to make one.......I know you will and they will be spectacular 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Buena idea gracias 👍
Gracias Hugo 🙌🏻🙌🏻
subbed just skimmed through the vid and i know what i needed to do! thanks for the sharing this idea!
Appreciate the support Billy 💪🏻🤜🏻🤛🏻
G'day from Australia, Gus. I came across your channel while looking for some design ideas for my own 'electromagnetic holdy downy thing' to hold small parts that need to be cleaned, after they've come off my plasma cutting table. Having to clamp and reclamp them during the cleaning process is a PITA, especially when I have lots of pieces to clean. I have bought 4 of those door maglock units rated at 180kg each, and a power supply, so thanks for the design ideas for my build. Love the excitement and energy you create in our videos, too. I've subbed so I can check out more of your man cave makings.
Fit like as we say up in the north east of Scotland my man! Thanks for the kind words and the awesome message and good luck with the build. The same reason I built mine was for small thin metal parts and finding them so hard to hold this is an absolute brilliant thing to have in the table. I’m having a wee break from making as I’m travelling just now but hope to do more in the future, also do a fair bit on Instagram. Take care my friend and thanks again for watching and sending a message, very much appreciated 🤜🏻🤛🏻👍🏻🙌🏻
Love the idea and your presentation style 😎
Thanks man really appreciate that and it’s a learning curve on the video editing for sure!! Thanks 🙏🏻
@@ManCaveMakings I know the feeling I only started doing voice overs on my very last video and that was bad enough :)
🤣🤣😎we all start somewhere and it takes time but at least your doing......making.......sharing which is so important. Thanks man 👍🏻
Magnifico! When I saw those mag door locks a couple years ago, I knew they'd be good for something, and you've just shown me what that is: A magnetized, holdy down, third hand thingy! Hmm, 280kg/600lb here in the States is $30.08 now, but still worth it.
Thanks LJ, you will not regret it, I use mine nearly every time I fabricate something and would not be without it on my bench! Good luck my friend 🤙🏻
AWESOME!!! Damn it Gus now I have to figure out how and where to fit this into my 1/2" x 36" x 48" solid top welding table...
Hahahah that’s amazing John 😂 not sure I would do that but a few folks here and on Instagram are going to build separate pedestal stands like a grinding station type thing which would be great! Thanks for the support as always dude 👍🏻
Nice job. I'm doing a couple of electro magnets in my welding table and drill press. I'm using micro wave transforms to get my job done. I like your idea also. I may try one of them in a future project.
Thanks Kelly really appreciate the comments and good luck with your project 🤜🏻🤛🏻👍🏻
Exactly what I was looking to find! Great content and you've got a new subscriber :)
Cheers mate!
- Jesse
Awesome Jesse thanks for sending me such lovely words and it’s really appreciated thanks you 🙏🏻
Great solution for removing dross from plasma cut parts as well 👍
Most definitely Jaren, it’s been super handy for that of late and just a great little addition to the workflow! Thanks 🙏🏻
Love this. Fair play to ya. Never seen your channel before, I’ve just subscribed. All the best, Dan.
Cheers Dan much appreciated my friend 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Awesome idea put into practise..... safety is not an ugly word Blackadder 😉😉😉
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 okay Boldrick thanks buddy really appreciate the support 👍🏻👍🏻
You deserve my sub to your channel thanks to this video 🖖
Thanks Ted, very much appreciated my man and glad to have you along 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻👍🏻
Adds a ground tab to the underside of it for small parts! 🧐
A magnetized third hand sure would come in handy when I use my powertig. Often difficult trying to get a clamp on something with an odd or round shape.
Love how it’s got ya thinking........ that might keep you awake tonight 🤣🤣 sorry about that! Thanks for watching and taking an interest in my content Mark 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Very sharp Gus, I’ve been thinking about hacking one of these mag holders to make the coil do more of a point hold and see if I can somehow remove nails with a magnet.
Bryce my man, thanks for giving my channel a tour buddy, very much appreciated. That sounds like an interesting challenge as the magnet to nail ratio is so massively different to that of a mag lock where both surface areas are similar so the magnetic force generated can be quite small. Got my cogs turning now 😂😂🤜🏻🤛🏻
Great job Gus! I was trying to make an axe holding jig with a maglock and Unistrut but it never came together, I should give it another go one day
Absolutely Sparky, the mag lock I got said 750Kg holding force but that’s direct to a plate so when I added the 3mm top plate it’s definitely a lot less but as you can see plants strong enough for smaller parts. I’m sure a little more digging and you’ll find the right thing. Cheers buddy as always 👍🏻
@@ManCaveMakings I already have a maglock, I'm always starting projects then I put them to one side when they don't work out properly. Sometimes I return and finish them 🥃 👍 😊
Nice one no excuses really then 🤣🤣👍🏻
Drill press
👍🏻👍🏻thanks
I am a newbie to tig welding and Just found your channel. I have already learnt a lot of good tips and I really like the way you get down to the job and exclude a lot of crap other youtube channels think they need to add. I also appreciate your write ups that goes with the two videos I have seen so far. Please make more! Finally, where do you buy your cleaning discs in the uk? Keep up the good work.
Welcome Mark and thanks so much for watching and giving me some great feedback it’s truly appreciated.
Good luck with the learning process and I’m more active on Instagram (same name) at the moment but do plan on making more RUclips content.
You can pick up the non woven discs at Screwfix or Toolstation and they are about £7-8 each but well worth it, I do like the Norton ones but they are a little more pricey but my middle ground and best products come from Kingspor so do a little shopping around and see what fits the budget. 👍🏻👍🏻 thanks man and good luck
Love this idea Gus! What did you use for the power supply for the mag switch?
Thanks Glenn, used a 240v to 24v 1amp plug in transformer. The mag lock has both 12v and 24v power inputs so really easy to get a power supply to it. Also only needs a small amperage capacity which is ideal. Thanks buddy 👍🏻👍🏻
Just an awesome idea. I wonder if there’s an electromagnet where you can dial in the holding power, so you’re only using what you need. My brain is just thing of how welding magnets sometimes deflect the arc when you TIG weld,,,just musing I feel like making one just to experiment
That’s an interesting idea and I don’t know if that’s possible as I would guess it would have to do with how the electromagnet is wound? Maybe multi windings like a motor winding for different speeds? Yeh the magnetism will do funny things to your arc and I wasn’t planning on welding on it as I’m fearful of heat transfer screwing up the windings but I love how your thinking and definitely go for it as they are so cheap to get a hold of. Thanks Aaron really appreciate you stopping buy and also leaving a comment dude 👍🏻👍🏻
Please, could you gently write the link of elettromagnet where can I buy it? Sorry for my English. Thank you
Greetings from Oz, can you supply the brand / model of the magnet. Similar ones here in Oz appear to be in excess of $300 au, which kind of puts a great idea out of reach due to the price. Cheers,
Hi Binary code, check out the description as there is a note on what I searched for on EBay. The magnet is unbranded and the link no longer works but there are more examples, not sure about the Australia version or price point but hopefully the information will be useful to search out a similar one form your side of the world. Cheers
@@ManCaveMakings thanks for that, truely a great idea. Unfortunately the prices here are outrageously expensive. $300 au being the cheap end, some as much as $2500au. I have found one in the uk that is the equivalent of $110 au plus postage (usually more than the purchase price, I buy motorcycle parts from the uk occasionally). I just have to convince them to post it to overseas which they are reluctant to do. Once again, thanks, Steve
Cheers Steve, that’s a shame they are so expensive over in Oz! That’s mental prices! Have you tried banggood in China? Also as these are just ordinary door mag locks is there a local company who does door entry systems you could ask? Good luck with the quest to find one at a decent price man 🤙🏻🤜🏻🤛🏻
This is BADASS!! I just made one of these tables for grinding but with some electromagnets I purchased off amazon, similar price but not as much holding force, but they still work. I wish you would have had this up here a week earlier! Two questions, what amp rating do you use on your DC transformer and is the magnet 12V or 24V?
Ignore those questions...I just read your description and it tells me the answers...surprising you only need the 1A.
Hi Chris, I’m surprised no one else has done something similar but you clearly think like me! Happy days buddy my one has 750Kg but it losses quite a lot through the 3mm top plate I put on but I works great for my application. I was surprised also at such a low amperage and it runs off almost a phone charger type transformer 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks for taking the time out to view and also comment glad you got the answer from the comments 👍🏻
@@ManCaveMakings Right?! I am fairly new to metal working but have a plasma table and do a lot of grinding of mild steel plate cutouts. The magnets in my table are only 80kg holding power, are directly on the table with no plate, and work ~ok~ to hold but I never thought of using a door magnet which are much stronger. I am going to build another table and use door magnets and test multiple plate thicknesses to see what works best. Great video and idea!
Awesome Chris, definitely try and get the most hold for your money bud as it will pay dividends also depending on size you could have multiple ones for larger pieces? This is all I hope for out of my videos is that’s someone moulds an idea I’ve shown Into their own. Totally awesome dude 😎👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Brilliant ! Does it magnetize the entire table or just the strap its mounted under?
Thanks Zack, I don’t think it’s strong enough to magnetise anything really, I guess it all depends on how long it’s on for. I’ve noticed a little magnetisation of the work piece on the thinner gauge materials but not the bench itself. Hope that helps and thanks so much for watching and commenting very much appreciated 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@ManCaveMakings Hey thanks for getting back. But i'm a bit confused, in the video you describe it having significant hold. So if I was to lay a joint over the magnet to tack, would it be suitable ? thanks again
Thanks Zack, very much depends on what you’re welding I think, for example I use TIG for everything and if I were to try and tack two bits of thin gauge material with the magnet on it would be very difficult as the arc would be affected by the magnetic force, maybe it would work for box section but I’ve not tried that yet. Basically I predominantly use this for work preparation ahead of welding and have not tried any direct weld holding on it and if you have experience of using magnetic 90deg holds and tacking and welding I think the same principle would happen with this. Hope that helps my man 🤜🏻🤛🏻
@@ManCaveMakings so mig welding 1" 16 gauge, thanks again
Do you run that mag on AC or DC? What does the manufacturer recommend to run it on AC/DC..?
Hi Stephen, the mag is either 12v or 24v DC depending on you’re wiring needs and I run it off a small plug top transformer taking it from 240vac to 24v DC. Hope that helps 👍🏻
I'm ordering one with 180kg, guys do you think it is enough to cut with a ginder?
Hi Mr Pucho, thanks so much for dropping me a message and giving my idea a go in your workshop sounds great. I think 180Kg will be underpowered as my 750Kg holds well but does move every now and then so having something which is a quarter the power I don’t think will work very effectively. Let me know how you get on if you do order it though as it would be interesting to compare notes. Thanks 🙏🏻
You might want to get a demagnetiser as all your parts will be slightly and annoyingly magnetised. Nice job enjoy your videos
Thanks Ballport, I think if I were to leave the pad on for long periods I think I would agree but for the short time it’s on nothing has magnetised as yet........might give it some rest to see how long it does take though as that would be useful to know. Cheers 👍🏻
Ciao ,sto cercando sul internet questa placa magnetica ma non trovo con una potenza superiore a 280kg e mi sembrano anche piccole come dimissioni, vorrei avere il link di dove hai comprato Lei,grazie
Ciao, ho comprato il mio su ebay ma purtroppo il link non funziona più. Se cerchi sotto serratura magnetica 24v dovresti riuscire a trovarne un po 'in questo modo su ebay. Buona fortuna e grazie per aver guardato e commentato il mio contenuto, grazie
8:29 почему магнитится? Ведь полюса замкнуты стальной пластиной!
Sorry Alex I can’t seem to translate your message. Thanks
Пластина тонкая, не замыкает весь магнитный поток+мощный эл.магнит+24вольт вместо12! Вот и весь секрет.