Never been a ‘super naked’ rider, always loved sports bikes but now just north of 50 yrs and decided I want something fun but more comfortable and less license burning ! KTM coming in a week 😂
I got one at the end of September did 1.5k miles in 4 weeks so addicted fantastic bike I have the R not the evo main reason I read several reviews abouts issues with the electronics with the evo. Hope you enjoyed
@@salsadurauk Still waiting for mine - no rush though, I should have it next weekend. I am also getting the standard R version as I am happy setting up manual suspension myself, and the KTM suspension is very good, although the EVO is no doubt a more forgiving ride on the road - it still wants basic setting up which some people never bother to do!
I have the 2023 Streetfighter V4 SP2 and it's such a great motorcycle. So easy to ride, makes all the right noises, rides good within the speed limit and if you wanna wring it out it will absolutely knock your socks off. With the carbon wheels and counter rotating crank it falls into the corners like no other. I've see a few reviewers complain about how heavy the clutch is but it's really not that bad if you don't have the grip strength of a small child.
Good on KTM, they made a good one. Love my 2020 SDR, it does everything I need…trips, twisties, speed fix, hooliganism, track day, quick run to the store, head to the gym. It does it all.
Honestly, out of the three bikes... the M1000R is a perfect bike for me. I have replaced the bar and mirrors and also installed a full Akrapovic Ti Gp exhaust system. What else can you ask for... the Bmw will come with 5 year warranty and 3 year roadside care with an option to extend it yearly. The M1000R is good on fuel, and has all the rider aids you want in a modern road bike. The Ducati dream is easily depleated by the constant worry about the number of service station along the way.
I think that any of these bikes, plus the Tuono V4 Factory or S1000R Sport make great road bikes, depending what you're after, the way you ride, which bike fits you best, and the engine config you prefer. I ended up with an S1000R and Tuono. I wouldn't mind the full fat RR + RSV4 motor, but I don't miss them in the kind of riding I do.
I sold my RSV4 this spring to get a Super Duke Evo for that reason. I have track/race bikes including a RSV4 and riding them on the street is just not on.
I sold s-1000R to get 2022 Tuono factory v4 . Only had a chance to ride it once 😬 Anyways can’t wait to take it on track. Tuono seems to lack brutality at very bottom revs , but wheel pops up easily in 3rd gear as s-1000R need a pull on bars
@@deivisdeivifas1092 nice! I ended up putting a 46t rear sprocket on the Aprilia to make it nicer at slow speed for this reason. Love it now. The gabro map is well worth doing once you put a pipe on it too!
Planning a trip the ring next year on an RC8R. Any chance of you guys publishing the route you took and any tips for the ring etc? Slightly concerned about fuel range on the RC8😂
Quite a lot of it is Belgium motorway for the direct route. If you cruise at 85mph at about 5,000 and a bit revs most the way you should get 140 miles before the light comes on. It's only when the mountain roads starts and the revs go towards the red line that only 90 miles to reserve happens.
If you watch their previous years videos it's just too long in the tooth at this point. Absolutely lovely road bike and it's their top rival for the Duke in that regard but it just can't keep up power wise any more. They gave Aprilia credit that the updated frame and suspension made a big difference and it's still killer on track with the best sound but it's 30+ HP down on the Ducati and BMW while not having the torque curve the KTM has which keeps it competitive.
One thing to add is the KTM is available with big discounts - making it £8K or so less than the standard Ducati v4S and £5K less than the BMW - that's without all the extras they charge for, but it's whatever floats your boat !
Yeah, I was thinking of splurging on a Ducati Streetfighter S, but realized I would rather have the torquey SDR engine for tight canyon use. And I could spec the KTM out to Streetfighter SP spec cheaper than the Streetfighter S. I just haven't pulled the trigger on carbon fiber wheels. Because I like the stock orange wheels. For now.
🔴 Guys I need your help! 🔴 I am between the choice of Kawasaki ZH2, BMW M1000R, MV Agusta Brutale 1000 RR and Ducati Streetfighter V4S. I have tried all the models but still have a hard time choosing which one to buy. What would you recommend me and why??
ducati got a 16 liter tank , light comes on when theres only 10 liter gone . i had to walk my panigale the other week thinking i got 50 kms at least . when filling it up it onlu took 14.5 liter .
I have Yamaha YZF running through my veins but I ride a black 18 plate Superduke R. Despite the radiator design flaw its the most fun bike ever. been riding 40+ years. Currently wondering how I can buy a Triumph Rocket 3 R without selling my beloved SDR. Great review gents
Weird. Had the m1000r for an hour, went on our pass, switchbacks 50° from first corner, peach of an engine, just didn't take it cos I don't want to pay insurance for a 200hp bike. Vibey very, mirrors useless, but stears like a dream... one negative point on my k63 (guess here 2)... it doesn't like thunderstorms with that 200 rim, sidewinds awful, never have ridden something sketchy like that... glad there are not that much thunderstorms over here so got to live with it. Each to it's own I guess. Gg, entertaining to watch. 👍
My dream is a mt07 vut for now im sticking with a sv650 which is also a dream bike i hope to one day have the funds to buy each one brand new whatever year it would be i buy them. How ever for now stick with a older sv650. Fix her up if needed and enjoy.
Dream big son you can get something more amazing . Mt07 is a great first o second bike and you will get it 🤜🤜🤜 . My first bike was a mt09 and I learn so much in 3 years loved that bike so much better sound that any other bike I bought in September a superduke r and is not other bike will make me feel the perfect replacement for my loved mt09 . Amazing bike 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@nickrider those Lamboesque colors make that Duc. look like our cats throw-up after it ate the kids weird-ass lollypop. They would have to pay me to ride it.
Don't worry? I believe they only sell it to ya if you've got the matching car. So they know their customers like the color. Normies can still get the lovely red and imaginative individuals paint their ducks blue.
Love my ktm because of what you said. You can do everything easily and it just brings a big smile on my face when I ride it. But I have to say this Ducati Lamborghini is absolutely beautiful.
Not 70k beautiful. It's just an S with less features, a 2k dry clutch, and racer boy graphics. With that money you could almost buy a Streetfighter SP AND a Panigale V4R. It's bait for rich boys with more money than common sense.
@@DonMegaphone buddy I'm not judging the price and if it's worth it. Esthetic is totally subjective and you could argue the same way about a Picasso. Personally I find this bike gorgeous. That's all 😉
He tenido las tres motos y la bmw gana por goleada, no se con que configuración la habéis probado la m1000r pero en mi opinion es superior en motor y en tren delantero a las otras 2.
@@AYYOFLOCKA good point. I did watch the 2022 breakdown and they did include it. I just see it missed in so many naked battles and it really is a superb bike and not just for the cost. They did nail the electronics issues though. Far to primitive.
I love my m1000r. It is a great bike. But what´s really exiting is to exceed 12,000 RPM, it is a beast then 🙂 But everyone has different preferences, so someone else may prefer the other one. Also BMW´s reliability is great, I heard rumors on KTM´s reliability, and not fully sure about Ducati (maybe it is now better than it was). It would be great to have some feedback also on KTM´s and Ducati´s reliability... I used to have BMW S1000R and no issue in 5 years at all .... (went to a circuit several times with it too).
@@niconic3184this is interesting. I rode the 1390 recently on a demo day, and have prior experience with a 2016 Sdr. To me it felt as though the older one was more mental actually. Maybe i am remembering wrong or the 1390 is just that refined or easy to ride.
@14.00 ish you all speak about the "alcoholic" Ducati, The decadence is oozing from it, he's handsome, well dressed, very fast and shouty when encouraged and likes a drink(probably smokes as well).....sounds like me Hic....all kidding aside great viewing as always and thanks. 🏍🚀
WTF, ride the BMW in soft dynamic mode then complain about its handling on a race track, yes it’s still a track. Why? It does have track settings for feel and stability, no point complaining about its feel if you don’t engage the bike to see what it’s got.
ZH2 isn't a proper competitor it's FAR too heavy and is strictly a straight line warrior. Watch their super naked drag video if you want to see it compete in its environment. MT-10 and CB1000R are a joke even having them in the same sentence as the others the Yamaha is about 50HP down on power and the Honda is about 70HP while both having FAR FAR cheaper suspension, brake and frame setups. Tuono V4 is an absolutely lovely bike and if you watched their previous competitions they all love it but the only major update it's had in about 6 years is a frame and suspension update it's 35HP~ down on power and lacks the everywhere torque of the KTM. The MV absolutely competes in raw power but it's always been too raw and can't keep up on track and lacks comfort on the street. The Triumph is a little different it's definitely competitive with the Duke but it's already lost to the KTM in previous years and hasn't had any major updates. So they likely left it out solely for that reason. The Speed RR is my current favorite production bike but Triumph SERIOUSLY needs to work on their IMU and allow separation of TC and anti-wheelie which holds it back by cutting power in aggressive track scenarios.
Watch previous years videos the Tuono is too long in the tooth. It's over 30HP down on the Ducati and BMW while not having the unending torque of the KTM. They still love it as a road bike but it can't keep up anymore.
Most people aren't taking liter bikes to a sumo course or autocross event that's no what they're made for. CycleWorld took the Ducati, BMW and Aprilia to Chuckwalla which is the perfect test track for this class of bikes, long straights and just the right amount of turns. The BMW was around a second faster than the Tuono and the Ducati was nearly 3 seconds faster despite the fact they ran out of time and the Ducati was only able to have a single flying lap.
@@shauns5278 if I’m correct the Tuono actually was the winner of the road test part of that review and regarding lap times, they used an SF SP2 (costs only about 40K) instead of a V4S so that explains the gap in lap time. Aprilia should make the bike a bit more expensive and add forged wheels or carbon ones. Or add a version above the factory. A Tuono M V4 factory SP ☺️
@@myaccount6905 Yeah as I said even these guys love it as a road bike and they put it in first or second as well in previous years but even factoring in the SP2 vs S had it been the S it would still have been quite a bit faster going off the BMW's large gap over the Tuono. This test is about the biggest and baddest and the Tuono just doesn't quite cut it. I do agree Aprilia should have one more premium model above the Factory that brings it more inline with the RSV4, if you browse Aprilia forums you can find people who have done the engine swap to the RSV4 version and it simply just needs an ECU flash to work flawlessly. I love the Tuono and considering it or the Speed RR as my next bike, almost bought a Tuono last year the used and left over prices on them are insane.
@@DonMegaphone - Yes, I know. I was the first to do a full conversion, and now own a 23RR. But since the others were special models used for the test, I feel the RR should have been used with it’s uprated suspension and wheels to give it the edge on-track.
Why did you put up the price of a Lambo StreetFighter when you could of easily used a V4 SFSP? or even a standard V4S, you would still mince the others. And if you need an arm around you, then you're riding bikes of this calibre well outside of you're capabilities.
All the BMWs seem to ride incredibly rough for some reason - very vibey, quickshifter clunks like the clutch is getting damaged. Not what I expected at all from their reputation. All the Japanese and Italian manufacturers seem smoother by comparison.
It's not even close to being in the same ballpark. The MT-10 is only making a little more power than the V2 Ducati and just a smidge more torque, its brakes and suspension are worse than some of the Euro middle weights. The MT-10 has never been a hypernaked and there's a reason many reviewers say just get the MT-09 SP, honestly just for the fuel economy alone if it's your daily. Yamaha is long over due for a full rework and should take a lesson from BMW and bring the engine more inline with the full R1. They have the cheaper R1S engine with steel internals and they should straight up just put that in a new MT-10. Same power as the standard R1 just heavier and cheaper to produce.
@@ST-kq9py ummm it absolutely does make 200hp recheck whatever source you got your information from they must be using whp which the R1, R1S and R1M all make 163-164whp factoring margin of error and dyno conditions.
@@shauns5278sorry yes you are correct, 163 rear wheel HP for the R1S, I will say this though, the R1 models you get overseas are severely neutered as every single R1 and R1M we get here that gets dynoed here in New Zealand has 179 to 182 wheel horsepower bone stock. A massive difference and we never got the poverty pack R1S thankfully.
How much? and I would not buy a bike with white tea trays stuck on the side from the Monday Morning Market. That's a KTM RC8R frame I see before me. Can't KTM dress it properly? Great video though. I love the Nurburgring. What about the bloke in the wheel chair letting the KTM design team go back to the dressing up box and put all the old RC8R bodywork back on and bring it back on sale. I'm very bias though. KTM RC8R is my bike.
There continue to be rumours of an RC8R, but the frames aren't the same. Considering that Mattighofen seem to be ready and willing to produce track-ready bikes for the buying public, I can see that they might produce a track-only RC8R. But track days have never really intersted me, so I'm quite happy to entertain a bike that will only ever work in that environment. And the result continues to be, surprise! Surprise! that a big bore bike designed for the road is still the best big bore bike designed for the road. That might be because the others are based on machines/engines that were designed to cater to those that spend most of their bike time out on circuit. For me, there really never will be any doubt. I've spent too much of my (probably more than your) life trying to get 4 cylinders to work for me. As soon as I got on a big, booming V twin there never was any doubt. I might even be tempted by an RC8R. There are certainly machines available where I am. But I'm just getting too old and crocked to be bent over a race set up. So I'm left with the decision of which 1290? The basic 1290 SD, The SD Evo, or even the SDGT? I still don't know. Maybe I'll just wait for a 1390 version of one of them. Being a 61 y.o. spring chicken who has always enjoyed doing serious mileage, I suspect that I may still go for the GT.
I'm 64 and have no intention of ever giving up or stop riding my RC8R. It just works for me. Like Spitfire pilots used to say about when they flew them. I can ride 500 mile days on it across Europe. I wouldn't have worn a ruck sack all the way to Germany though. Pulls on the shoulders in tight turns.@@davidcolin6519
The lambo streetfighter is based upon the Huracán** STO. At least do some research before you review a bike. There are far more upgrades on the lambo streetfighter compared to the v4s - not just a dry clutch. Do some research before you start talking about bikes..
LOL. "Too ugly", yet you'd go for the Fuggly Duck in sprog puke green. Honestly, I detest orangeas a colour. But you'd go for the Duck? At over 3 times the price? You gotta be pulling my plonker.
@@davidcolin6519out of the three I think the Ducati is the better looking and also I like the V4 engine. I’d also consider the Tuono and the MT10. Tradicional i4 don’t excite me as much, but the BMW sure looks good.
@@Jeff_Klein Which is a purely personbal POV. You have every right to it. Personally, I think that all that aero looks horrible, especially on a supposedly "naked" bike. I just do not like 4 cylinder engines. I've tried pretty much every engine configuration and I just haven't been convinced. And pretty much all 4s vibrate like the Beemer does. I'm not saying that twins don't, but I have never had fingers going numb from vibration on a twin but have always found it a problem on every single four I've ridden for any distance. And I'd love somebody to explain to me how a Tuono is a naked bike, it even has a nose cone fairing these days, seriously?. There really isn't anything "Naked" about it. It is even less of a naked bike than the Duck, which is about as unnaked as it is possible to get without adding a barn door. In that sense, the Beemer is hardly far behind, it is only missing the upper portion for it to be fully faired.
@@davidcolin6519 yeah, I’m talking about my POV for sure. And I get yours as well. About the Tuono, that exactly what I like about it. It has 70% of the fairings of an RSV4 but in a more comfortable riding position.
These tests are all subjective, it depends on what you are looking for and how you ride, how big/small you are etc. take them for what they are, it’s the viewpoint of 3 bike journo’s who do know their stuff and ride everything going, but it’s their view not yours - best thing is to test ride them yourself 👍
Yet the KTM is never, ever last. In fact, it almost always comes in 2nd. It may lose to the BMW on high end power. To the Aprilia on track focus (most commonly). To the Ducati on pure power. But it doesn't lose to any of the above on all of the above. And I'd argue that the Aprilia isn't even a naked, that any naked bike that can't control engine vibes today shouldn't even be in the running, or that a "street" bike that can't do 100 miles on a tankful rally SHOULD be considered problematic. I mean, on one occasion I almost spent more time fuelling my EXUP than riding it on the trip from Barcelona to Cambridge. That sort of gas guzzling wears thin very, very quickly. And I suspect that these journals weren't even approaching the V-Maxes that I hit on that trip. I suppose that what I'm really trying to point out ius that a truly great bike is simply more than a great engine, more than perfect focus, more than the ideal track bike, more than the sum of its parts. And to be more than the sum of the parts, a truly great super naked, it has to be created to be simply a super naked.
The KTM comes on top because it does a little bit of everything the others do partially. It has enough power, it’s nimble, it has technology-cruise control, fuel gage & an amazing suspension just to name a few for a lot less than the others cost.
@@davidcolin6519 Yep its a very good all rounder that's got character and is fun, although I'd disagree with your comment about the Aprilia V4 engine, it's super smooth, I've had 5 RSV4's the engine is an absolute peach !
@@ronaldleguizamon196 And rumours have it that it'll be given a larger bore in the coming year. It's not just "a lot less" it is only €6K off being half the price of the Beemer, and you could have both the Beemer and Katoom and still have money left over for the price of the Duck. Yet, for me, the Katoom is still the bike I would choose, even if I had enough money not to care about €50K.
You guys are hilarious! None of these are naked except the KTM! There are a number of naked out there like the Z9, FTR 1200, MT09, etc that aren't superbikes without the fairing. Know what You're talking about or piss off
They're hypernakeds all the bikes you mentioned are making around 120HP or less as someone who has had an MT-09 up to it's electronic limiter on multiple occasions it's one of the scariest biking experiences out there. If you want a naked bike that can do 160mph+ you need those side and belly aero. They're all still lacking front cowls and full sport side fairings. There's a reason Triumph limits the Speed RS to 155mph despite making nearly 180HP because without proper aero and all those exposed elements that is asking for the wind to catch and cause a death wobble. Also the FTR isn't a naked either if you're going to criticize their choices. Absolutely beautiful bike though.
Never been a ‘super naked’ rider, always loved sports bikes but now just north of 50 yrs and decided I want something fun but more comfortable and less license burning ! KTM coming in a week 😂
Less license burning?. Oh dear 😂
@@mark675 I took a test ride, it's easier to ride slower than my RSV4 1100 ! 🤣😂
@@sk2283Exactly why I bought mine 🍻
I got one at the end of September did 1.5k miles in 4 weeks so addicted fantastic bike I have the R not the evo main reason I read several reviews abouts issues with the electronics with the evo. Hope you enjoyed
@@salsadurauk Still waiting for mine - no rush though, I should have it next weekend. I am also getting the standard R version as I am happy setting up manual suspension myself, and the KTM suspension is very good, although the EVO is no doubt a more forgiving ride on the road - it still wants basic setting up which some people never bother to do!
The Super Duke is clearly on the short list. Love mine, just a great fun bike to ride.
I got to test ride the Ducati v4s this summer and it was so much better than the superbike version in every liveable way. Nakedbikes are mega now.
This review just once again reminded me of why I have the KTM in my garage, nice job lads.
Went the see the KTM and Ducati in person. Choose the Ducati without contest.
I have the 2023 Streetfighter V4 SP2 and it's such a great motorcycle. So easy to ride, makes all the right noises, rides good within the speed limit and if you wanna wring it out it will absolutely knock your socks off. With the carbon wheels and counter rotating crank it falls into the corners like no other. I've see a few reviewers complain about how heavy the clutch is but it's really not that bad if you don't have the grip strength of a small child.
Good on KTM, they made a good one. Love my 2020 SDR, it does everything I need…trips, twisties, speed fix, hooliganism, track day, quick run to the store, head to the gym. It does it all.
Cheers from the Black Rocket 3R rider you met in Brussels last year. Was nice to meet you guy's. Ride Safe! ✌️
Streetfighter in full power mode ✊🔥🔥
Honestly, out of the three bikes... the M1000R is a perfect bike for me. I have replaced the bar and mirrors and also installed a full Akrapovic Ti Gp exhaust system.
What else can you ask for... the Bmw will come with 5 year warranty and 3 year roadside care with an option to extend it yearly. The M1000R is good on fuel, and has all the rider aids you want in a modern road bike.
The Ducati dream is easily depleated by the constant worry about the number of service station along the way.
Can i ask you how much mpg / l/100 km does the BMW take ? and also does it consume any oil ?
Brilliant video, boys, nice riding, great analysis and a joy to have Dale involved. More please.
Good to see Dale on here, I've done a few laps with him, great fun, but even more so, he's a really helpful friendly guy.
I also noticed the vibration on the S1000RR on road/dynamic modes. On race mode the vibration disappeared.
Because it a dud
I love my 2023 Z900
I think that any of these bikes, plus the Tuono V4 Factory or S1000R Sport make great road bikes, depending what you're after, the way you ride, which bike fits you best, and the engine config you prefer. I ended up with an S1000R and Tuono. I wouldn't mind the full fat RR + RSV4 motor, but I don't miss them in the kind of riding I do.
I sold my RSV4 this spring to get a Super Duke Evo for that reason. I have track/race bikes including a RSV4 and riding them on the street is just not on.
I sold s-1000R to get 2022 Tuono factory v4 .
Only had a chance to ride it once 😬
Anyways can’t wait to take it on track.
Tuono seems to lack brutality at very bottom revs , but wheel pops up easily in 3rd gear as s-1000R need a pull on bars
@@deivisdeivifas1092 nice! I ended up putting a 46t rear sprocket on the Aprilia to make it nicer at slow speed for this reason. Love it now. The gabro map is well worth doing once you put a pipe on it too!
At 8:40 green Ford Focus RS MK2 in the distance! Love that car. For the bikes great review.
Why can't people make headlights any longer?
That would be a bit of a stretch.
If I ride my SDR1290R for 20km or 200km ... It never fails to make me smile.
I just love riding it
Coincidentally number 63 is also the number of the 2times world MotoGP champion for Ducati
Love this honest real explanation starting at 24:00 that is common at the green hell.
Great review
Awesome review!
You got a new subscriber, guys.
Love your honesty about the bikes pros and cons.
Planning a trip the ring next year on an RC8R. Any chance of you guys publishing the route you took and any tips for the ring etc? Slightly concerned about fuel range on the RC8😂
Quite a lot of it is Belgium motorway for the direct route. If you cruise at 85mph at about 5,000 and a bit revs most the way you should get 140 miles before the light comes on. It's only when the mountain roads starts and the revs go towards the red line that only 90 miles to reserve happens.
Where's the Tuono?
If you watch their previous years videos it's just too long in the tooth at this point.
Absolutely lovely road bike and it's their top rival for the Duke in that regard but it just can't keep up power wise any more. They gave Aprilia credit that the updated frame and suspension made a big difference and it's still killer on track with the best sound but it's 30+ HP down on the Ducati and BMW while not having the torque curve the KTM has which keeps it competitive.
I love my 1290R. Its a riot. Its fantastic on the road and track. wheelies aplenty. even when you're not asking for one. haha.
One thing to add is the KTM is available with big discounts - making it £8K or so less than the standard Ducati v4S and £5K less than the BMW - that's without all the extras they charge for, but it's whatever floats your boat !
Yeah, I was thinking of splurging on a Ducati Streetfighter S, but realized I would rather have the torquey SDR engine for tight canyon use. And I could spec the KTM out to Streetfighter SP spec cheaper than the Streetfighter S. I just haven't pulled the trigger on carbon fiber wheels. Because I like the stock orange wheels. For now.
Your videos are amazing. you need more subscribers!
why no MV Agusta Brutalle and Aprilia and kawasaki
🔴 Guys I need your help! 🔴
I am between the choice of Kawasaki ZH2, BMW M1000R, MV Agusta Brutale 1000 RR and Ducati Streetfighter V4S.
I have tried all the models but still have a hard time choosing which one to buy.
What would you recommend me and why??
ducati got a 16 liter tank , light comes on when theres only 10 liter gone . i had to walk my panigale the other week thinking i got 50 kms at least . when filling it up it onlu took 14.5 liter .
MR 1000 best bike out there, love it!!
I have Yamaha YZF running through my veins but I ride a black 18 plate Superduke R. Despite the radiator design flaw its the most fun bike ever. been riding 40+ years. Currently wondering how I can buy a Triumph Rocket 3 R without selling my beloved SDR. Great review gents
Weird. Had the m1000r for an hour, went on our pass, switchbacks 50° from first corner, peach of an engine, just didn't take it cos I don't want to pay insurance for a 200hp bike. Vibey very, mirrors useless, but stears like a dream...
one negative point on my k63 (guess here 2)... it doesn't like thunderstorms with that 200 rim, sidewinds awful, never have ridden something sketchy like that... glad there are not that much thunderstorms over here so got to live with it. Each to it's own I guess.
Gg, entertaining to watch. 👍
My dream is a mt07 vut for now im sticking with a sv650 which is also a dream bike i hope to one day have the funds to buy each one brand new whatever year it would be i buy them. How ever for now stick with a older sv650. Fix her up if needed and enjoy.
Dream big son you can get something more amazing . Mt07 is a great first o second bike and you will get it 🤜🤜🤜 . My first bike was a mt09 and I learn so much in 3 years loved that bike so much better sound that any other bike I bought in September a superduke r and is not other bike will make me feel the perfect replacement for my loved mt09 . Amazing bike 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mt 07 wheelie machine ❤
Not sure comparing two $26-28,000 bikes to a $19,000 bike is exactly equitable,
No Triumph speed triple 1200?
So why no Tuono V4 FACTORY?
It’s not as good as
"Welcome to French" isn't a great start, but it got much better!!!
Really don't like the Ducati in that livery, I'd want money off for that awful colour !
@nickrider those Lamboesque colors make that Duc. look like our cats throw-up after it ate the kids weird-ass lollypop. They would have to pay me to ride it.
Don't worry? I believe they only sell it to ya if you've got the matching car. So they know their customers like the color. Normies can still get the lovely red and imaginative individuals paint their ducks blue.
Love my ktm because of what you said. You can do everything easily and it just brings a big smile on my face when I ride it.
But I have to say this Ducati Lamborghini is absolutely beautiful.
Not 70k beautiful. It's just an S with less features, a 2k dry clutch, and racer boy graphics. With that money you could almost buy a Streetfighter SP AND a Panigale V4R. It's bait for rich boys with more money than common sense.
@@DonMegaphone buddy I'm not judging the price and if it's worth it. Esthetic is totally subjective and you could argue the same way about a Picasso.
Personally I find this bike gorgeous. That's all 😉
He tenido las tres motos y la bmw gana por goleada, no se con que configuración la habéis probado la m1000r pero en mi opinion es superior en motor y en tren delantero a las otras 2.
aventador sto, good job mate
I saw your guys in Nurburgring in Sept. Didn’t know you guys are youtubers.
Why doesn't the Speed 1200RS ever make these lists?
Exactly
It hasn't been updated in anything other than paintwork since launch.
@@AYYOFLOCKA good point. I did watch the 2022 breakdown and they did include it. I just see it missed in so many naked battles and it really is a superb bike and not just for the cost. They did nail the electronics issues though. Far to primitive.
It’s rubbish?
@@SludgedB Your mom is rubbish :*
I love my m1000r. It is a great bike. But what´s really exiting is to exceed 12,000 RPM, it is a beast then 🙂
But everyone has different preferences, so someone else may prefer the other one. Also BMW´s reliability is great, I heard rumors on KTM´s reliability, and not fully sure about Ducati (maybe it is now better than it was). It would be great to have some feedback also on KTM´s and Ducati´s reliability... I used to have BMW S1000R and no issue in 5 years at all .... (went to a circuit several times with it too).
Ducati he says it’s perfectly adequate! Should be for £56k was it??
New 1390 Superduke seems to have risen another full click.=, specifically on over-rev now.
Yep, I bought one and it's mental. Also have a gen1 1290, 10 years of development is very obvious!
@@niconic3184this is interesting. I rode the 1390 recently on a demo day, and have prior experience with a 2016 Sdr. To me it felt as though the older one was more mental actually. Maybe i am remembering wrong or the 1390 is just that refined or easy to ride.
Ktm always wins 😂
@14.00 ish you all speak about the "alcoholic" Ducati, The decadence is oozing from it, he's handsome, well dressed, very fast and shouty when encouraged and likes a drink(probably smokes as well).....sounds like me Hic....all kidding aside great viewing as always and thanks. 🏍🚀
Bmw most easy too drive ✊🔥Superduke more holigan and raw🔥
beast 3.0 every day
I love kTm😁.
vingt-trois vingt wtf
3 bikes only?
They explained why right at the beginning of the video 😂
Doesnt the m1000r have the engine from the s1krr?
M1000rr got shift cam the lot s1000r is the 165hp with no shift cam where as the m1000r got the lot 207hp
WTF, ride the BMW in soft dynamic mode then complain about its handling on a race track, yes it’s still a track. Why? It does have track settings for feel and stability, no point complaining about its feel if you don’t engage the bike to see what it’s got.
Gosh the sv650 came out on top once again!
Gen 1 mt10 shouod be in there with out a doubt
A mention for chippy …making bikes look good for years.
where are zh2,mt10,tuono,mv agusta,cb 1000,triumph rs1200... hhmmm ,what else?
ZH2 isn't a proper competitor it's FAR too heavy and is strictly a straight line warrior. Watch their super naked drag video if you want to see it compete in its environment.
MT-10 and CB1000R are a joke even having them in the same sentence as the others the Yamaha is about 50HP down on power and the Honda is about 70HP while both having FAR FAR cheaper suspension, brake and frame setups.
Tuono V4 is an absolutely lovely bike and if you watched their previous competitions they all love it but the only major update it's had in about 6 years is a frame and suspension update it's 35HP~ down on power and lacks the everywhere torque of the KTM.
The MV absolutely competes in raw power but it's always been too raw and can't keep up on track and lacks comfort on the street.
The Triumph is a little different it's definitely competitive with the Duke but it's already lost to the KTM in previous years and hasn't had any major updates.
So they likely left it out solely for that reason.
The Speed RR is my current favorite production bike but Triumph SERIOUSLY needs to work on their IMU and allow separation of TC and anti-wheelie which holds it back by cutting power in aggressive track scenarios.
I'd take the SD with the BMW customer service 😊....Say NO to wings, kids
Yeah and the standard s1000r looks better than the m for this reason...
No Yamaha MT-10 ?
Aventador STO? 🙈 You mean Huracan STO.
‘Fast nakeds of 2023’…Euuuhhh… Tuono??? Hello??? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Watch previous years videos the Tuono is too long in the tooth. It's over 30HP down on the Ducati and BMW while not having the unending torque of the KTM.
They still love it as a road bike but it can't keep up anymore.
@@shauns5278 😂👍the Tuono will kick the *ss of any of those bikes if you add more than 2 corners to the road your riding on…
Most people aren't taking liter bikes to a sumo course or autocross event that's no what they're made for.
CycleWorld took the Ducati, BMW and Aprilia to Chuckwalla which is the perfect test track for this class of bikes, long straights and just the right amount of turns.
The BMW was around a second faster than the Tuono and the Ducati was nearly 3 seconds faster despite the fact they ran out of time and the Ducati was only able to have a single flying lap.
@@shauns5278 if I’m correct the Tuono actually was the winner of the road test part of that review and regarding lap times, they used an SF SP2 (costs only about 40K) instead of a V4S so that explains the gap in lap time. Aprilia should make the bike a bit more expensive and add forged wheels or carbon ones. Or add a version above the factory. A Tuono M V4 factory SP ☺️
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Yeah as I said even these guys love it as a road bike and they put it in first or second as well in previous years but even factoring in the SP2 vs S had it been the S it would still have been quite a bit faster going off the BMW's large gap over the Tuono.
This test is about the biggest and baddest and the Tuono just doesn't quite cut it. I do agree Aprilia should have one more premium model above the Factory that brings it more inline with the RSV4, if you browse Aprilia forums you can find people who have done the engine swap to the RSV4 version and it simply just needs an ECU flash to work flawlessly.
I love the Tuono and considering it or the Speed RR as my next bike, almost bought a Tuono last year the used and left over prices on them are insane.
awesome amazing superb top
1st ducati again?
Again? The KTM was last years winner.
@@johnnymack63 right, I watched sport bikes comparison today :D
3:54 Lamborghini Aventador STO ??? 🙃 IT'S Huracan STO
Damn, you really got to them daww. They were so upset they didn't respond to you
Shame you didn’t use the 2023 KTM RR as a fair comparison with the other manufacturers top spec naked bikes.
No need to. But it is easy to build the RR from the PP catalog. I did. Getting rid of all that weight makes a difference.
@@DonMegaphone - Yes, I know. I was the first to do a full conversion, and now own a 23RR. But since the others were special models used for the test, I feel the RR should have been used with it’s uprated suspension and wheels to give it the edge on-track.
The 'Chermans' (as they refer to themelves in English)
SAD!
Incomplete test… you’re missing too many others
Why did you put up the price of a Lambo StreetFighter when you could of easily used a V4 SFSP? or even a standard V4S, you would still mince the others. And if you need an arm around you, then you're riding bikes of this calibre well outside of you're capabilities.
No Z H2....shame.....shame.... lol
That ducati paint scheme and wheels are hideous the duperduke is the best out of all of them in my opinion
All the BMWs seem to ride incredibly rough for some reason - very vibey, quickshifter clunks like the clutch is getting damaged. Not what I expected at all from their reputation. All the Japanese and Italian manufacturers seem smoother by comparison.
It's not a valid test with MT10SP missing from the list.
It's not even close to being in the same ballpark.
The MT-10 is only making a little more power than the V2 Ducati and just a smidge more torque, its brakes and suspension are worse than some of the Euro middle weights.
The MT-10 has never been a hypernaked and there's a reason many reviewers say just get the MT-09 SP, honestly just for the fuel economy alone if it's your daily.
Yamaha is long over due for a full rework and should take a lesson from BMW and bring the engine more inline with the full R1.
They have the cheaper R1S engine with steel internals and they should straight up just put that in a new MT-10. Same power as the standard R1 just heavier and cheaper to produce.
@@shauns5278just a note, the R1S has 160hp not 200ps like the R1, but I agree the MT-10 needs at least 180hp to be comparable in any relevant way.
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ummm it absolutely does make 200hp recheck whatever source you got your information from they must be using whp which the R1, R1S and R1M all make 163-164whp factoring margin of error and dyno conditions.
@@shauns5278sorry yes you are correct, 163 rear wheel HP for the R1S, I will say this though, the R1 models you get overseas are severely neutered as every single R1 and R1M we get here that gets dynoed here in New Zealand has 179 to 182 wheel horsepower bone stock. A massive difference and we never got the poverty pack R1S thankfully.
How much? and I would not buy a bike with white tea trays stuck on the side from the Monday Morning Market. That's a KTM RC8R frame I see before me. Can't KTM dress it properly? Great video though. I love the Nurburgring. What about the bloke in the wheel chair letting the KTM design team go back to the dressing up box and put all the old RC8R bodywork back on and bring it back on sale. I'm very bias though. KTM RC8R is my bike.
There continue to be rumours of an RC8R, but the frames aren't the same.
Considering that Mattighofen seem to be ready and willing to produce track-ready bikes for the buying public, I can see that they might produce a track-only RC8R.
But track days have never really intersted me, so I'm quite happy to entertain a bike that will only ever work in that environment. And the result continues to be, surprise! Surprise! that a big bore bike designed for the road is still the best big bore bike designed for the road. That might be because the others are based on machines/engines that were designed to cater to those that spend most of their bike time out on circuit.
For me, there really never will be any doubt. I've spent too much of my (probably more than your) life trying to get 4 cylinders to work for me. As soon as I got on a big, booming V twin there never was any doubt. I might even be tempted by an RC8R. There are certainly machines available where I am. But I'm just getting too old and crocked to be bent over a race set up.
So I'm left with the decision of which 1290? The basic 1290 SD, The SD Evo, or even the SDGT? I still don't know. Maybe I'll just wait for a 1390 version of one of them.
Being a 61 y.o. spring chicken who has always enjoyed doing serious mileage, I suspect that I may still go for the GT.
I'm 64 and have no intention of ever giving up or stop riding my RC8R. It just works for me. Like Spitfire pilots used to say about when they flew them. I can ride 500 mile days on it across Europe. I wouldn't have worn a ruck sack all the way to Germany though. Pulls on the shoulders in tight turns.@@davidcolin6519
The lambo streetfighter is based upon the Huracán** STO. At least do some research before you review a bike. There are far more
upgrades on the lambo streetfighter compared to the v4s - not just a dry clutch. Do some research before you start talking about bikes..
No thanks,quite happy with my $15,000 gsxs 1000
It’s better for beginner because less expensive anyway should serve you well
KTM must be very fun, but it’s too ugly and orange. Would go with the Ducati.
LOL. "Too ugly", yet you'd go for the Fuggly Duck in sprog puke green.
Honestly, I detest orangeas a colour. But you'd go for the Duck? At over 3 times the price? You gotta be pulling my plonker.
@@davidcolin6519out of the three I think the Ducati is the better looking and also I like the V4 engine. I’d also consider the Tuono and the MT10. Tradicional i4 don’t excite me as much, but the BMW sure looks good.
@@Jeff_Klein Which is a purely personbal POV. You have every right to it.
Personally, I think that all that aero looks horrible, especially on a supposedly "naked" bike.
I just do not like 4 cylinder engines. I've tried pretty much every engine configuration and I just haven't been convinced. And pretty much all 4s vibrate like the Beemer does. I'm not saying that twins don't, but I have never had fingers going numb from vibration on a twin but have always found it a problem on every single four I've ridden for any distance.
And I'd love somebody to explain to me how a Tuono is a naked bike, it even has a nose cone fairing these days, seriously?. There really isn't anything "Naked" about it. It is even less of a naked bike than the Duck, which is about as unnaked as it is possible to get without adding a barn door. In that sense, the Beemer is hardly far behind, it is only missing the upper portion for it to be fully faired.
@@davidcolin6519 yeah, I’m talking about my POV for sure. And I get yours as well. About the Tuono, that exactly what I like about it. It has 70% of the fairings of an RSV4 but in a more comfortable riding position.
@@Jeff_Klein Which I get... But it's still not a naked bike.
But KTMs are f***ing ORANGE. VILE!
In your eyes, but in a lot more eyes is a beautiful bike.
Superduke for the win🦾👍🏻 beamer next ducati last i mean just look at that hideous paint scheme and fugly wheels🤷🏼♂️
No Street Triple... Disappointing
Only if you like mediocre bikes
The KTM has never been the king. It losses all the tests except yours
These tests are all subjective, it depends on what you are looking for and how you ride, how big/small you are etc. take them for what they are, it’s the viewpoint of 3 bike journo’s who do know their stuff and ride everything going, but it’s their view not yours - best thing is to test ride them yourself 👍
Yet the KTM is never, ever last. In fact, it almost always comes in 2nd. It may lose to the BMW on high end power. To the Aprilia on track focus (most commonly). To the Ducati on pure power.
But it doesn't lose to any of the above on all of the above. And I'd argue that the Aprilia isn't even a naked, that any naked bike that can't control engine vibes today shouldn't even be in the running, or that a "street" bike that can't do 100 miles on a tankful rally SHOULD be considered problematic. I mean, on one occasion I almost spent more time fuelling my EXUP than riding it on the trip from Barcelona to Cambridge. That sort of gas guzzling wears thin very, very quickly. And I suspect that these journals weren't even approaching the V-Maxes that I hit on that trip.
I suppose that what I'm really trying to point out ius that a truly great bike is simply more than a great engine, more than perfect focus, more than the ideal track bike, more than the sum of its parts.
And to be more than the sum of the parts, a truly great super naked, it has to be created to be simply a super naked.
The KTM comes on top because it does a little bit of everything the others do partially. It has enough power, it’s nimble, it has technology-cruise control, fuel gage & an amazing suspension just to name a few for a lot less than the others cost.
@@davidcolin6519 Yep its a very good all rounder that's got character and is fun, although I'd disagree with your comment about the Aprilia V4 engine, it's super smooth, I've had 5 RSV4's the engine is an absolute peach !
@@ronaldleguizamon196 And rumours have it that it'll be given a larger bore in the coming year.
It's not just "a lot less" it is only €6K off being half the price of the Beemer, and you could have both the Beemer and Katoom and still have money left over for the price of the Duck.
Yet, for me, the Katoom is still the bike I would choose, even if I had enough money not to care about €50K.
You guys are hilarious! None of these are naked except the KTM! There are a number of naked out there like the Z9, FTR 1200, MT09, etc that aren't superbikes without the fairing. Know what You're talking about or piss off
They're hypernakeds all the bikes you mentioned are making around 120HP or less as someone who has had an MT-09 up to it's electronic limiter on multiple occasions it's one of the scariest biking experiences out there.
If you want a naked bike that can do 160mph+ you need those side and belly aero. They're all still lacking front cowls and full sport side fairings.
There's a reason Triumph limits the Speed RS to 155mph despite making nearly 180HP because without proper aero and all those exposed elements that is asking for the wind to catch and cause a death wobble.
Also the FTR isn't a naked either if you're going to criticize their choices. Absolutely beautiful bike though.
so the SDR won again right?