The DOWNFALL of The Duggars: the NIGHTMARE Family who Won’t Stop LYING
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The Downfall of The Duggars scandal exposed more about the Duggar family and Josh Duggar then ever thought possible. The lies, manipulation of the masses, secrets, deflection, coverup and more, leading to the downfall of the The Duggars as we know it is alarming. We need to talk about the manipulation and power abuse. Is Josh a victim? Something doesn’t sit right in this web of lies and deflection…
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I’m sure you’re already being spammed on this but the Murdaugh case!
The controversy surrounding the Protest Dhar Mann movement. Dhar Mann is getting called out for allegedly not paying his ex actors enough, putting them under bad working conditions and not showing up for a meeting. It got so bad to the point of them protesting and creating their own RUclips Channel Good Werks Productions
I’d love to see a doc on comedians coming back from being “cancelled” like Louis CK
Whatever you cover next im begging for a "you heard that Raven?" I need more names in the callouts 😂
Pamela Anderson
I literally cannot get over the irony of her being upset for young girls safety about women in womens bathrooms, while her own SON on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS sa’ed her daughters
Well maybe if the girls hadn't slept in such provocative positions...
(😭 I joke but it's actually a really sad and scary experience 0/10 would not recommend ☹️)
You’re so right. The people making the accusations are usually the ones guilty of it :// the US government trained them well
The rate of SA in religious communities would shock you
I think it’s directly related. if their godly son is capable of it, then those depraved weirdos MUST be ten times worse!! plus it’s unfortunately common in high control religions, meaning they probably saw it to some extent as “the norm.” it’s projection.
The fact that Michelle called trans women using public bathrooms predators, while covering her own son's heinous behavior on national television gives me a lot of whiplash.
Her son is a DANGEROUS man, how dare she go after a group of people who are just trying to exist in skin that they're comfortable in. Meanwhile, her son has just continued to get worse since his very first offense. SMH.
Not only is it disturbing and gross, but she also doesn’t seem to think that same sex abuse can happen. Men AND women can be sexual abusers.
Michelle’s baby voice is creepy as hell as well.
@@carriew2706 YES, it's so bad. Also the way she looks at Jim Bob is *intense*.
That’s the good ol’ religious nut projection for you.
As a drummer myself, it warms my heart they view me as an instrument of the devil, when clearly… they can’t see actual evil in front of their own faces.
@@alwaysflushinpublicSo glad you were able to get out. To recognize what was really happening. I wish you the absolute best. I hope you are living your best life and are able to continue moving forward and healing well. Best wishes to you and yours! Thanks for sharing! I can't imagine that being easy.
That’s fundamentalism in a nutshell, I was into that sort of stuff during my high school and college years and I was so concerned over the same things fundies get mad about that I didn’t have a “are we the baddies?” moment until I was already on my way out and during those years I was hanging out with literal fascists on sites like Facebook since my politics already overlapped quite a bit with theirs.
I don’t know if I was straight up evil myself during that time but for sure I was not a good person not least since I was the usual sanctimonious and hypocritical a-hole you see so often in these spaces because that’s what happens when you’re convinced you’re following God’s will and everyone else is wrong. That’s how you get groups like ISIS and the Taliban and we were the Christian version of that.
Yes, one of God's biggest problems with us...drums.
✅️
On the bright side...1 out of 19...isnt bad just thankful no more ..its terrifying..makes me wonder what happened to him.
What did he see what did they do? Simply not horrified or literally ill when the worst law enforcement had EVER seem
Was revealed
The whole Josh situation just proves how broken their whole mentality is.
Because why the hell wouldn't you let your kids play hide and seek together because there's a boy and a girl?
Not letting younger kids sit on their male family members laps?? It's like they KNEW there was real and imminent danger there.
The fact that their children were so sheltered they literally had no one outside the family to speak or interact with... OF COURSE there was bound to be some weird stuff happening.
They made the rules after what Josh did
@salvialmighty3166 I was raised in this, did not personally know the Duggs. The IBLP teaches young children that no male is ever responsible for sexual offenses. They do believe Josh is innocent(bc he is male, bc an immodestly dressed woman lit the fire and he had to act out, bc he confessed and prayed) and the girls were the problem. The BS says any male who sees an adult immodestly dressed F in public has no option but to act out with a wife, a sister... Do not forget!!! When this family or anyone in the cult says ALL victims receive counseling they area actually referring to pastoral counseling. Sure! His sisters received counseling in the form of a preacher or church elder prayed over them. That is what they label as therapy/counseling. A quick prayer and be on your way as a restored healthy individual.
Ok, the whole not allowing kids to play hide and seek I don't really understand, but not sitting in the laps of strange men, or men other than their dad, doesn't strike me as particularly odd; my mom didn't let us do that either.
@@KiraBKADestroyerOfWorldsas someone who has about half as many siblings as the Duggars had: it is almost unimaginably strange that NONE of the boys could carry/hold ANY of the girls. They absolutely knew what their son did and collectively punished the children. Hoisting more responsibility onto the girls and alienating the boys towards their sisters, whether they did something wrong or not
I think one of the most insidious things about the Duggars was how they tried to dress up the parentification and make it sound cute. Like, with absolutely zero context, the description of the kids having little "buddy teams" for their chores sounds /cute/! I remember when I was in fifth grade, about once a month we'd go to a 1st grade classroom to hang out with a "little buddy" and it was fun for everyone! The little kids looked up to us, and it was fun to feel grown.
But when Michelle describes this system, I don't think it registers for most people that this is happening every. Single. Day. It's not a little once in a while activity, it's not kids cleaning up their toys to learn responsibility together, it's something so much more. People don't understand what it would be like to live like that for your entire life.
@clorbdorb1245 While I never saw the show as I was raised in IBLP. I've known IBLP parents to do things to children that no one would believe me if I gave it voice. Josh is the tip of the cult iceberg.
as someone who grew up and lived in arkansas for 25 years, i’m shocked the people were smart enough to not allow jim bob to become a senator
I guess that goes to show that Jim Boob was too awful even for the people of that state
@@monus782More realistically, it was probably due to a lack of funding, particularly compared to the incumbent. This is the same state that voted in Mike Huckabee, a man who likened gay marriage to incest.
Yeahhhhhhhh....yeah.
Same. I've been openly against this family since day one. It made my grandma so mad I called the family shit because of their beliefs. She was accusing me of being anti Christian. When this came out, she apologized to me.
Let me get this straight we as women are to obey everything men tell us to do but they can’t even control their own actions and thoughts?!?! How does that work ?
How dare you question these things n try to make sense out of it, your simple female brain can't comprehend lol. They're ridiculous.
I guess you are too smart to be a religious cult member! Good for you and excellent point!
This stuff isn’t in the Bible. Their rules are twisted into lies
@@rjmunster9600 so....we should read a book that a bunch of horny men wrote around 2165 years ago to learn how they are the ones who are the best and should be obeyed? Sure, makes sense and is very logical. *laughs*
The men are the supreme leaders and they can’t even be held accountable for their own thoughts and behaviors.
The cheek, the nerve, the audicity, the gall, the gumption of that little drummer boy bringing the devil's music at Jesus' birth
Thank you for the much needed laugh 🤣
LOL underrated comment 😂
🥁Pa rumppa pum pum👹😂
Or drums being in Christian music (think classical music especially) for hundreds of years. 😂
Well just call me a big ol sinner because i once packed uo my entire drum set, took it to my grandmas church, and played while all the sunday school kids sang their songs. 😈😈😈
I have epilepsy and I’m not embarrassed of my seizures but you’re telling me it was 15 minutes?! That’s seriously harmful and deadly. I can’t believe that they stood by for so long.
What scares me and worries me to no end is..
There is no way josh didn't do more to his siblings
Or HIS OWN CHILDREN
@@MissyRenfro1 I don't have much hope but dude...I'm praying to all the gods that have ever been that at least they were safe
Maybe Jana. Why hasnt she gotten married?
@@sherryhoward7298r at least left. Shes an adult she can walk away at any point but chooses not to. What kind of hold do they have on her? What is keeping her there knowing what she knows?
I doubt the abuse stopped when the parents found out about it. I know my older brother didn't stop sexually abusing me until he moved out. That's despite my mom catching him doing it years before and "having a talk with him."
He did *NOT* confess! The girls (specifically the youngest) told on him and he admitted, after being asked, what he did. J'Boob and Moooch lied all up and down the line about all of it. It was and is stomach turning.
edit: Fundie Friday's did a whole thing on them
Mooch? Lol. Yup
The Sojo Files has a lot as well. She attended trial and made friends with an old acquaintance of Josh’s (he no longer speak to him) and Jim and Bobye Holt.
@@ErinH-430 Thanks for the recc, hadn't heard of her before!
@@sourgreendolly7685 People have mixed feelings about Jim and Bobye Holt. Clint is not really in that Uber religious part now. Bobye joined when I watched SoJo’s livestream for the Depp v Heard case. When SoJo had a late night session, I made a comment about how I don’t agree with their political or religious views, but some of what Jim did (speaking out publicly against Jim Bob at the same time Derek did) impressed me. It takes guts when everything is so partisan.
@Erin Hudson I agree! The Holt's are the people I'm most conflicted about... they did the morally correct thing, but I can't shake the feeling that they did it for the wrong reasons. I really don't know how feel about them!
Imagine Swoop telling her parents: “So, drums are evil and the instrument of The Devil.” And her dad, who has translated the original scriptures is flipping through his notes and looking confused: “Uh, where?”
Also, I thought the Devil preferred the fiddle?
😂😂😂
A fiddle of golf at that 😝
I was like “what about the little drummer boy”
@@Wastelander23 maybe Christmas music is blasphemous too? 😅
Only when he goes down to Georgia.
YES!!!! SWOOP delivers again.
I’m baffled by the NOTHING they did about Josh Duggar. And I’m absolutely disgusted by Anna Duggar for continuing to “support” him and the most horrific things he has done.
There's standing by your man, and then standing by a pr*dator. She's just as bad as his parents.
SHE ALWAYS DOES!!!!! 👑 🎤
Absolutely and in my opinion it's a disaster to just crap on her children's safety just to fulfill their lifestyle.. I mean, wtf?! Even those children should be on a pedestal because of the scripture but seems as if the "MAN" is the biggest chief here in the family. So no matter what sick individual he may be, those kids are unprotected served on a silver platter!
Sick!! Just SICK!!!!!!!!
Yup
@@Baky_T yup
You often apologize for the "long sidebar" when you take the time to provide your viewers with resources to help them educate themselves or find help to leave their abusive situations. There's no need to apologize, I think it's actually the whole point of this channel, right? You break down these terrible stories that are viewed by the general public as "drama", and allow for us to see them for how dangerous they actually are.
Thank you for providing resources, for bringing us clarity and helping us think critically. Your hard work is so valuable
Perfectly Said! ❤💯🍻
Love the explanation of terms, feels like learning ❤
Being molested by a family member messes you up for life. And it messes with your sexual relationship with your spouse to. I feel for them
Ikr it makes the home which is suppose to be secure into a frightful place.
it really does.
@nicolealasuva9812 I am so sorry if this happened to you. I was raised in this group & the Independ. Baptist church. The sickest thing is that they teach children that no male is ever responsible for any sexual offenses - it's always a woman's fault. The woman who is immodestly dressed causes the man to run home demanding sex, the wife who does not submit then FORCES the man to abuse a substitute. Yes, including very young children. When a F escapes (as I did) you are either cut off and dead to them or they attempt to kidnap you to bring you back under proper authority - typically the abuser. The hell that gay youth go through being raised in this sometimes drives them to end it all. I miss my brother. 😩
@StrawberrySodaPopp Is there a shelter in your area that could house you? Or other relatives you could stay with, maybe even friends? Have you told any authorities about what he's done/doing to you? At the very least, would you like a hotline to vent your pain and maybe receive some advice for your situation?
@StrawberrySodaPoppliving with your abuser is horrible. I’m sorry you are traumatized endlessly, I hope you can get out soon ❤
I'll share a story that's not so awful for a pallet cleanser for you all. So I hate pants, if I have a choice I never wear them, skirts and dresses are king (or queen) because of how easy it is to change in and out of them (and they can't give you a wedge). Well in highschool I would constantly have people asking me if I only wore skirts/dresses for religious reasons and I had to explain "no, I just really hate pants." This was like a once a month thing too. Funny enough no one asked me that after highschool, I don't know why that was the only age group I was in that cared so much. (Well I did have an art class in college where the teacher asked me about it but that was because we were going to learn basic welding and he didn't want any unnecessary injury or fire hazards, so that doesn't count.)
oh thank you for the unrelated story btw !!! and also i 100% agree with you tbh, i do wear pants often but i often find myself in an oversized shirt or house dress when i'm staying at home... what you said makes total sense.
Thank you 🤗
As long as it's your choice. I grew up in this cult and it took me 12 yrs of plotting to escape. After the escape and move to a different state, my dad tried to kidnap me to bring me back under his authority. Now, you will never see me in a dress.
I'm the same way. I can't stand the feeling of specifically jeans so I wear skirts or soft pants/dress pants but not jeans idk. I am religious BUT I don't do that for religious reasons jeans just don't agree with my skin at all.
Just discovered your channel today. I’m obsessed.
I grew up in a very conservative Christian home where one of my brothers (from a family of 8 kids) sexually abused me for years. It was from a young age through high school. When I came out at trans and gay I also told the truth to my family. And big shocker, they chose to support him and disown me, since I’m queer, which in their eyes is far worse than what he did to me. Religious people like my parents are terrifying. That’s not even the half of their horribleness towards me either. It’s made me extremely distrustful of anyone religious. This family reminds me so much of my own and it’s so sad 😞
I'm so sorry. Know you are loved and celebrated just as you are. ❤
i’m a survivor of something very similar to the duggar family - i’m an exjw, which isn’t a quiverfull movement/otherwise encourages many children, but their family dynamics are almost identical. there is emphasis on the husband as the head of the household (‘god is the head of man, and man is the head of the woman’), strict gender roles, heavy restriction on ‘worldly’ media, restriction from ‘worldly’ friends, control over your love life (including chaperoning), etc. my parents (in particular my mother) were extremely abusive and controlling - they went through my trash regularly to make sure i wasn’t hiding stuff from them/eating anything i wasn’t given permission to, they went through any mail i received, i had to get permission to leave the house at all even as an adult, i wasn’t allowed to get a job until they said so, i had no control over my own money, i wasn’t allowed to make friends at school bc they weren’t religious. my mother was extremely controlling over my appearance, telling me i was ugly, telling me i would never get a husband if i did xyz (including being ‘too smart’), and was VERY involved in my personal hygiene bc she insisted i couldn’t do it properly bc i was so incompetent, to the point of SA (your jeanette mccurdy video, and subsequently reading her book, made me realize it was, in fact, SA).
i am thankfully almost six years out now (🎉), thanks to my now fiancee literally buying me a bus ticket so i could run away from home with only a backpack of belongings (i didn’t even have a hairbrush when i left), but even after that many years, i have deep, deep trauma i don’t think i will ever fully heal from. i am still terrified of slamming doors in the house, or the sound of someone coming home. receiving hugs from someone bc i’m crying, a thing used to abuse me, is still skin-crawling for me. i am slowly, slowly rebuilding my life and reclaiming my body, but i do still struggle with it every day. these families and cults scar for LIFE. it’s no joke.
I'm overwhelmed with feelings of sorrow for you, but its mixed with pride because you had the strength to get out! You use that strength and intelligence that you have to heal, because you deserve a normal, productive, happy life. Bless you for being a survivor....now you're going to thrive!
You are an incredibly powerful person to have gotten yourself out of that situation. I’m sending love, and hope that you find your healing ♥️
Your parents were just @ssholes. In all religions there’s people who don’t practice what they preach. I grew up as a jw, and I was never controlled like that. There’s obviously rules and principles to follow as a witness. But some parents are just trash parents. So disappointing your parents weren’t better at raising you, making you believe everyone is like them. As a little girl I did sleepovers, as a teenager I went to parties, bonfires, and had boyfriends. When I was old enough to work, I chose my own jobs and managed my money however I wanted, even while living under their roof. Me and my husband decide what to watch on TV, what music to listen to. We have a daughter now, it’s wild to hear all these horror stories. It really brings awareness’s how we want to raise our daughter. No one can you to do anything you don’t want to do as a jw, I don’t understand how some take it so far. I’m so sorry you were put thru all that trauma by parents abused their power. Whenever I hear of families like yours, I just don’t get it. I don’t get how they can claim to love god but be such awful human beings. I really hope you can continue healing ❤️
I had an upbringing similarly but the day I turned 18 years old, it was pedal to the metal away from there. I am genuinely sorry that you had to go through that. No disrespect but it almost remind’s me of the movie Carrie. Xx
That was even hard to read. My heart goes out to you. You’re safe now. While I have nothing for JWs, it sounds as though your mother might have suffered from paranoia or perhaps even schizophrenia.
My family is conservative and believes and God. But they never sheltered me or prevented me from watching TV, movies or listening to music and playing video games. This is too far!
As an Arkansan I hate the people that represent us. Especially with our new governor 🙄 just know that we’re not all bible thumping bumpkins 😭
i live in oklahoma, i can vouch for you
Many call themselves Christians and have very perverted views of what a real Christian is
So about 80% are? I think think christian nationalism is spreading. I am christian and it worries me. I am not a bible thumper
Texas here, and same
Texan here. I see you and appreciate you!
I'd like to point out that Jill and Jessa, despite having the return show named after them, weren't ever paid. Despite them both being adults Jim Bob claimed them as minors and TLC only did a paying contract with him. In fact none of the kids were ever paid for their 16 years of being on camera. It is ridiculous that the Coogan law, that saws child actors must be paid at least a percentage of their earnings, doesn't apply to children on reality TV.
Unfortunately, the Cogan Law was written at a time where reality tv wasn't even a concept. I know laws are starting to be passed to compensate the children of reality tv, but it varies from state to state. IL has adopted a law that I know for sure.
And Coogan law really is only enforced in Cali.
My parents used to love this show and take their values seriously while raising me and my 4 brothers to be workers. Thank you for making this.
@itszoffee7233 I am so sorry for whatever you and your siblings went through. I never saw the show as I was raised in the IBLP. 1) no need to watch what you are living and 2) no tv. for what its worth the members viewed JB as sus, then he agreed to some mag photo shoot. This put him in the category of unrighteous. When the 1st special was filmed he was def. in league with satan. HOWEVER! he began giving $$$ so Mr Gothard approved while almost everyone else despised him. Maybe jealous? Maybe self-righteousness. I am truly sorry for what you went through. It took 12 yrs to escape this lot making me 1 of only 2 from my youth to get away. We struggle daily. What I go through is nothing compared to no longer having my wonderful kind loving gay brother with us. I am aware there is some Prime doc about the family but I was warned by my fellow BF escapee to not view it due being triggered. I HOPE that your parents did not utilize blanket training on you or ur siblings.
The abuse starts YOUNG in that family. On one episode Michelle happily explained how they “blanket train” the babies. Basically, the sit the baby on a blanket. If the baby rolls or crawls off of the blanket they get spatted with a wooden spoon and then put back into the blanket! She said they would do that for hours a day until the “baby learned the appropriate boundaries”!
Funny extra detail, occasionally in blanket training you are meant to place something the kid wants juuust out of reach of the blanket, then hit them when they reach for it.
@@aquicha8168 I know!!!! That is just so heartbreaking to me! As a Momma I know my heart would NEVER allow me to employ such a practice in my own home. It’s just so sad.
Oh my god, that's what blanket training is?? That's a BABY!! How would they even understand what you're "teaching" them??
That makes me so incredibly angry and sick
@@alim.9801 TY for being astonished and irate. I was raised in this. Blanket training comes from Debbie and Michael Pearl. Look them up and then tell all of us how any marginally sane human would follow their ideas! They are 2 backwoods hillbilly toothless morons with zero education and zero sanity. They are not, however, condoned by Mr Gothard and now Mr Bates who run the IBLP. Their books are passed around and followed, neither leaders of IBLP give their approval but neither condemn it. Mr G had no wife nor kids. Mr Bates has the usual shit ton of kids and uses blanket training. What it is meant to do is "break the child's will". Children (IBLP's ideas) are born evil with sin. So you must break their will to sin. Once you do this then righteousness can enter their souls and they will be obedient. They see no difference between obedience and fear. BTW: Josh and his sis Jana were not blanket trained. The group (can't speak for the Duggs) believe that Josh's problems (criminal behavior) began with his will not being broken as an infant, and Jana is not married yet for the same reason. I think she's about 33 now? We very vew who escaped always appreciate it when someone responds to this info as you did. It's comforting to know that there are sane, kind, loving parents out there.
That is just horrible! I never watched this show because it gave me the creeps. Michelle with her sicky-sweet baby voice made me want to vomit.
As a proud mom of a son who is trans, I just want to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for your content!!
“Trans”? You mean he got brainwashed by the current trend and he is now damaging his body? Stop it before it’s too late.
Thanks for being there to support your son maam, hope youre both doin good 💜
Thank you for being a safe, supportive parent! Makes my heart happy to know your baby is safe and loved! Great job, mama! 🖤🌈
There needs to be more parents like you in the world. All the best to you and your son.
This comment genuinely made my heart smile!! It fills my heart with pure joy to see that you clearly love your child and are devoted to supporting them no matter what!! WE NEED MORE PARENTS LIKE YOU IN THIS WORLD!! 👏❤️
“Blessed is the man who’s quiver is full of them” that is such gross wording lmao
What bothers me the most so far about all of this is the following:
In abusive power dynamics regarding beliefs and gender roles like this, the girls and women are held accountable for the sexual actions of boys and men.
*But those Duggar sisters were ASLEEP and UNCONSCIOUS when they were violated by their own brother.*
Knowing their household, they likely weren't wearing anything immodest, due to modest clothing being the only kind of clothing they have in that house.
This disgusts me because this implies to me that they are inclined to believe that girls and women are actually ALWAYS seen as inherently sexual no matter what they do or wear, and therefore always sinful by nature.
These girls don't have a voice. They don't have rights or autonomy. They don't have any support whatsoever.
From birth and throughout their lives, these girls are seen , raised, and treated as slaves by their own family.
They are pushed aside constantly and neglected. The boys have excuses made FOR them by their own parents, and get away with barely even a slap on the wrist. But the girls? Well apparently in the Duggars' mindset, boys will be boys, and girls should know better than to evoke those feelings in boys through their actions (even if they are SLEEPING apparently - a normal function that EVERY human needs!)
These are YOUNG GIRLS. Not just that, but their own DAUGHTERS. The only thing they know are the gendered responsibilities placed upon them for life at birth... and somehow, it's THEIR fault??
Oh, but it's inappropriate to have trans individuals use their own identifying bathrooms. Because apparently, child predators can only exist in communities they don't agree with. It doesn't count if they do it.
I have never wanted to throttle two parents and a son more in my life than when I heard about this family.
As a drummer doing both sacred and secular music, it felt super validating hearing you, a fellow drummer, debunking the whole "devil's instrument" malarkey. Sincerely, thank you so much. 🙏🏽
I think what bothers me about the situation the most is that there was no protection for the victims. Having dissociative episodes are real and it brought back all that trauma. They needed love and care not to be interviewed or interrogated by the media.
I wore out my other true crime channels and documentary shows and THEN I FOUND YOU!!! Thank you so much. You are simply fantastic!!
Josh didn't come to the parents like they said. They lied about that. You were right that one of their daughters came forward first and they did nothing. In fact they let him do a speech at said daughter's wedding and he called her a tattle tale. Josh only confessed when confronted and I think he was only confronted because the babysitter told her parents what Josh did to her. I highly doubt the abuse stopped then either. Sadly, we might never know because the Duggar parents have fully brainwashed their daughters into blaming themselves and they all refuse to talk about it now.
@@alwaysflushinpublic the TV show definitely didn't cover that. I'm sorry about your brother.
Duggar parents are absolutely detestable hypocrites same as the founder of their Cult.
Before TLC, DimBoob and family lived in a *two* bedroom trailer where the children slept under the trailer. There was a hatch in the kitchen that they used to get to their “bedroom”. No lights except for the flashlight Josh was in charge of. This is where his abuse of his sisters started.
DimBoob, after the documentary, conned TLC into giving them the materials for their mansion. TLC employees and the Duggar children built the house. TLC filled the mansion with new furniture throughout. DimBoob conned everyone he could to make him money, one way or another.
His lazy baby-talking wife was the one who used her own children as nannies and maids. She never lifted a finger, because her job was to pump out more servants, I mean babies. Other than some breastfeeding which I doubt she actually did, since breastfeeding acts like birth control, and you can’t crank out babies if you are are breastfeeding. Besides continuously pumping out babies, her next job was to “blanket training” the babies. This was the first abuse of their children. This is the practice of sitting a baby on a blanket and beating them every time they tried to reach out to a favorite toy that had been laid just past the blanket’s edge. *Babies! How could a mother do that to her baby?*
The other reasons on having your children raise their siblings, is that she was busy writing books on childcare, and making appearances at other cults (churches).
Can’t comment on most of this comment because I don’t know about it but you can totally get pregnant whilst breastfeeding. A friend of mine had a beautiful baby and then got pregnant again very quickly. She’s now got two beautiful kids who are not even a year apart. So I wouldn’t trust the whole breastfeeding thing. If you aren’t up for another baby, use protection.
The house they lived in before the mansion was not a trailer. Maybe they lived in a trailer at some point, but not right before the mansion.
I’ve heard about the blanket thing before. That makes me want to cry. I so wish someone had been able to protect those kids.
Dimboob, the absolute most perfect name for him. Recently watched the Prime video series on them and their lives. The blanket training alone made me gasp. I have 5 boys. Yours, mine and ours. Together are all the same. I have a 1yo old that went throught a traumatic and serious birth injury. Hitting him to keep hin on a blanket was absolutely mind blowing. Although seeing how all the kids are treated and yes sir no sir yes mam no mam makes sense. Those poor kids and the girls 😢 I always wondered growing up and watching it what was going on. I have 5 feral boys. 😅
Quick question - and I’m asking because I want to know more, not because I disbelieve you - do you have a source about the kitchen/flashlight/underneath the home story?
Just a reminder that men can also be the victims of Coercive Control. My brother is 100% controlled by his wife. However, he is completely blind to it. I really hope he wakes up someday. He says he’d be nothing without her. ALSO, the absolute blankness behind Michelle Duggar’s eyes is terrifying. Like she could smile at you while she stabbed you right in the gut.
Her whole life is being second class to get husband and a baby factory. Regardless how indoctrinated you are there must be some bitterness
@@sheisaMachine I agree. It’s a crappy life for anyone.
Thank you for being kind to Anna! Way too many RUclipsrs blame her, one even has made a (really, really baseless) claim that she snuck him a cell phone in prison. She is a victim too. She has little education, no work experience, her parents aren't even close to wealthy and can't help her, she has all those kids to care and provide for, she has limited access to the outside world, and of course the IBLP teaching that she's the one who made Josh do all of those things. If she doesn't divorce Josh, his parents will give her and her kids somewhere to live and provide for them. If she does leave, she's alone with nothing. While her siblings who aren't a part of the cult have said they'd help her, there's no way to know if she's ever even heard their offer, because JB watches her media consumption and communication.
I feel very, very sorry for her. She was arranged into this marriage to a monster and has been made completely dependent on his family. She is NOT to blame for any of this.
(Also anyone saying "she knew what he previously did to his sisters before they got engaged and still married him and had kids with him," her father picked Josh, and according to an interview she did she didn't know anything about sex before 2 WEEKS BEFORE THEIR WEDDING, meaning she had ZERO context of what he did to his sisters and couldn't comprehend exactly what he did until right before she married him. You can't condone what you don't understand, her "forgiveness" is pretty meaningless and had she not done so she would have still been told to marry him anyway.)
Hearing you describe coercive control made me feel so understood cause like….finally someone gets it and understands what I actually went through better than my own extended family. And on top of it they made me feel guilty for my chronic illness. It wasn’t as extreme an environment as the Duggars, but it was the same mindset and theology and it was hard. Even though I escaped and got myself from it, I’m still dealing with the afteraffects and trauma that occurs. And there’s still other stuff I’m working through but I’m just glad I’m actually able to live my own life and not the life everyone wanted me to live.
I can assure you as trans people we are already so incredibly uncomfortable going to the bathroom we aren’t focused on you or your kids at all.
The insistence from some people that abusers were waiting on convenient social safety nets to victimise others is wild. Trans inclusion doesn't promote abuse.
I've often wondered if the cop who spoke to Josh after his 'counselling' didn't show Josh where to find that horrible CSA material. Kind of a "dont touch your sisters, you'll get caught: look at this stuff instead."
Yep. That's what child predators tend to do.
Yep. That's what child predators tend to do.
Fair Point, actually. I have never though about it this way
My mom and I watched Shiny Happy People when it dropped and holy hell. There was so much we didn't know about the Duggars and by extension the IBLP that it was stomach churning to think that years prior my mom actually watched 19 kids and counting
@clayden153 There's likely a ton more that was not shown. While I never saw a Dug show & the doc. I was raised IBLP. Did they explain why Mr Bates demanded JB load up the kids and leave ASAP? Did they mention how JB stormed way from his church after Josh was banned from the church nursery? ATI? ALERT academy? Was blanket training explained? PLZ tell me they brought up Bobye Holt's divorce & 10 yr restraining order against Mr Jim, her husband? Nothing like 2 decades of DV to force a woman to walk away from it all! While I generally attempt to avoid the docs, I'm often given news about recent IBLP issues by friends and family who are still in it.
Admittedly, as a teenager the Duggars were a guilty pleasure of mine. I, along with so many others, was manipulated into believing that this was a bizarre, wholesome, 'Godly', well connected and close knit family. Something that was so foreign to me and the way I grew up that it was captivating and comforting to watch. Now that things have been coming out of the woodworks the last several years, it really breaks my heart, man..
My mom watched it, and I watched it with her, and always commented on how weird it was, and she’s always try to say it wasn’t
My aunt never wanted me to watch it, as an adult, I understand why. I was missing so much.
Concurring with you in so many ways.
@@Clownbunnycosplay Me and my mom when they had a lot less kids and I was like 14 but reverse the perspectives 🥲
This video scared me. My ex husband did literally every one of those 12 things. I never knew there was a name for what happened. Thanks for posting this.
The most significant thing my mother said to me when I was very little was “There will always be someone better than you.” It wasn’t said kindly in a “do it for the enjoyment” kind of way, it was said in a “the world doesn’t revolve around you,” way. Here’s what I know: children need to feel that they ARE the center of their parent’s worlds. It’s not about giving in to all of their children’s fleeting whims, it’s about unconditional love. Even after 52 years, I still believe I am undeserving of love and acceptance unless I’ve “earned” it with some type of “service.”
You said it so perfectly...my best childhood memories are when I was my parents centre of attention and I felt so loved.
Not a major thing but i think there’s something extremely fake about Michelle Duggar’s voice, and the way she always seems like she’s pleading for something. Idk whether it’s the tone or the register of her voice, but it definitely seems like she’s putting it on to make herself seem more innocent than she really is…
I read in another comment section on the Duggars that, apparently, IBLP women are encouraged to speak in that manner as it allegedly makes them more appealing to men.
@@thomasoates3003it’s just all so sick.
@brendahhstiles9992 Agreed. The sooner that cult gets shut down the better.
It’s called the fundy baby voice. .
Both of my parents were raised in a religious cult and we're both subjected to SA as young children. It is truly disgusting how prominently this happens in general, but specifically in religious groups. Not only are they traumatizing children but they are also doing it while pretending to be a someone who has morals and practices Faith. It leaves people in shock, disgust, and then they never want to go to church again because of what they went thru as children. It's disgusting that people like this are still out there and lurking around children.
As someone with epilepsy( and the first one is always the worst cause u have no idea what’s happening ) I couldn’t even imagine having your first one in front of huge cameras and millions of people
So glad you covered this and TLC who should be ashamed and encouraged the families to do what they want. Remember poor Jake from little people who came forward about being molested by a TLC camera man yet no one will address how sick this channel is 😳🤔🙏🏻❤️
I believe TLC is causing harm ALL families under their label and for what? 😢
@@2010MrsKSS For $$$$. That's all TLC cares about. It was nothing but dollars for Duggars.
I never heard that about Jake? Was that made public?😮
@@2010MrsKSS money, greed and sex trafficking in my opinion. Disney owns the channel, so that's been a question for many years why they. Put kids in provocative ways. Dancing with barely any clothes, back talking to their parents and disrespectful towards their elders. Disney has been questioned many times for their underground, inappropriate subjects and churning these kid stars out to be a sexual subjects and lude behavior more than once. They also own most channels we watch and monopolize many , many channels for the sake of money, greed and under age grooming, using families like freak shows (reality TV). It's scary and alarming in my opinion. Very questionable. Look what happened with the Duggars and many other families with children, or perhaps a freak show at many peoples and children's expense. Lude, crude and never doing background checks on employees. It's very disturbing. I could share more, but you get the drift. When 12 year old girls are acting inappropriate for their age and dressing them provocative. That's why we end up seeing them years later in the news for one thing or another, doing interviews on addiction, sexual assault and greed by their own parents sometimes. Alarming as hell 🤔🐒🎪💊🧐🍭🤡👹🧢🚲😯😳⭐🌟🙈🙉🙊👤🙏🏻🧟🕵️👦🏻🍿🎠🎡📢🎬🎤🖍️🎲👙👠💄💎👛🔍💲
@@MegaREAPER56 yes, absolutely. That's why he left and refused to come home and his own parents never ended the show. He suffers from severe anxiety and withdrew from the world. He wrote a book on it. Heartbreaking and chilling that money wins over human beings especially children. Fame, greed and egotistical behavior that comes with the fame. Families get lost in the fame and TLC doesn't care about them, they simply want the circus and fame not to mention money. They've made a mockery out of many families, then telling what to say and how they want a scene to go. It's not reality at all. It's sinister. Very sad and heartbreaking for children, or feeble minded people and mockery. I feel bad for anyone who falls into the trap, simply for fame at any cost 💲🔍💎💄👠🎤🎬📢👦🏻🧟🐒🎲🌟🙏🏻
When I was younger, I was in a similar church (sorry, cult) that wasn’t *quite* as intense as these guys (not as much of an issue around women’s clothing, but a lot of it was the same).
I wanted to say thank you for having that sidebar for anyone who might be watching this and are not sure about what they’re actually experiencing. It’s abuse. But these organizations call abuse a lot of nice sounding words (like “covering”, “protection”, “purity”, “obedience to god” etc., in order to gaslight and confuse people.
The control around people’s thoughts, sexuality, music, etc…I can’t begin to explain what that does to a person.
I just hope anyone who is still involved in stuff like this and finally admitting to themselves that they are having a real problem with their teachings and how they are being treated finally find freedom so they can heal.
I grew up with parentification and now I have depression and anxiety and PTSD and trust issues. I struggle with forming any relationship socially and have some form of social anxiety. I don't really have any friends thanks to this too. I'm still grieving my loss of childhood today in therapy. Let children be children.
I'm so sorry that you were forced to endure such abuse & I'm sorry that you're still suffering to this day. Please know that you're not alone & although I'm a random stranger, I care about you & anyone who's been abused by anyone, in any way. I hope you realize that you ARE worthy of love, honesty & affection. We're all broken to some degree, but that doesn't make you less of person regardless of what your mind may try to tell you!!! Please don't give up on yourself...if you keep moving forward, your wounds WILL begin to heal (as long as you allow the healing to happen). I wish you all of the best that life has to offer & I hope you understand that you ARE worth it!!! ❤❤❤
I eagerly anticipate the day when Swoop calls out my uncommon name in those moments of "Did you hear that, Anastasia? Are you looking at this right now, Anastasia? Girl, Anastasia... don't -- don't do it, Anastasia!"
Edit: After finishing the doc, I am just... speechless. Baffled, bewildered, perplexed, etc. at how *some* people can proclaim to live a godly life but hide all the nasty skeletons in their closet thinking no one is gonna find out about it.
Just as a fact check, Gothard himself was not the one that suggested to send Josh to the IBLP work camp. That was the family friend who told the family that he should not be sent to a regular facility bc he would learn to "sin better." The family friend whose daughter Josh was courting is Jim Holt, former Arkansas governor. Also, the victims have repeatedly stated that they did not want this released, which would have been good to add.
Thank u, Swoop, for another amazing doc. This one was a hard one for me. I was raised in a strict Catholic household, forced to take care of my younger sibling, blamed & shamed, isolated, & recently disowned for establishing boundaries, so I can heal from my toxic upbringing. This doc is a cautionary tale of the worst-case scenario that can be birthed from these extreme, religious, misogynistic families.
If you were disowned by people for boundries, then you didnt need them anyhow. Look at it like vomiting-out poison. I wish you the best; be blessed.
Thank you Swoop, for talking so openly about such heavy topics and not shying away from calling these parents on their bullshit. I remember having friends who watched this show and how uncomfortable it always made me when it was on.
@therealmouseymouse i can't imagine what watching this show must have been for people not affiliated with IBLP. I was raised in IBLP & Ind. Fundie Baptist church. Did not watch the show - no need as I had already escaped. For 12 yrs I plotted to escape. Only1 friend left with me. The remnants of toxic intrusive thoughts still plague me nearly daily. The fear never leaves. I must be vague but 1 of us after the escape suffered a kidnapping attempt by a relative and other male elders in order to bring us back under righteous authority. They believe when man's laws conflict with their idea of God's laws it becomes their duty to violate man's laws. Worse than all of this, I miss my brother. My beautiful wonderful gay brother who fled the family for personal safety is no longer with us.
Ok, let's not act like swoop is doing this out of some high calling. She does what she does for the same reason the Duggards did what they did. For clicks and cash.
Raised in the cult. Dad and 2 other elders beat my brother with pool sticks for being gay. He's dead. I seriously doubt Swoop has murdered anyone. And what else? 12 yrs to escape. Put in hiding as my dad and those 2 others came to kidnap me age 28. Seriously doubt Swoop has kidnapped anyonel
@@alwaysflushinpublicI am so sorry for your loss. May he Rest In Peace. ❤️
That 'Robert' clip will never ever get old.
Male sex offenders sure know how to find each other, don't they? Like, wow. How is it that the father of this family managed to confide in MULTIPLE male sex offenders on his son being a sex offender? Wild
Birds of a feather tend of flock together.....
Right? I think the elephant in the room here is Jim Bob knew exactly who to go to. It's almost like Jim Bob has some secrets himself.
Or they stem from a perpetrator & the abuse continues like a virus.
@@ladyrainstar I'd bet on that.
I was a volunteer for a charity that worked on behalf of the elderly who were being coercive controlled, abused and neglected. It broke me so I had to stop.
I've been SA'd in my life and I've witnessed my sister being coercive controlled in an 11 year relationship without her letting me help.
Parentification also played a part when my dad passed away and my mum went into single woman party mode. I was working and providing for my siblings and another came along 9 months later.
This world is horrible sometimes.
I still have issues with my mental health and physical health. I'm 37 and I feel so much older. My body is failing me and my brain is telling me bad things.
I speak my mind due to Borderline personality disorder, but I'm glad in a way because now I'm no longer a doormat.
I blamed myself for the DA and SA I suffered but years of therapy made me see it wasn't my fault.
It’s amazing that JB & M claim to be so moral but lie straight faced with no problem over and over again. Horrible people.
my mom went to a church like this growing up and the skirts oh my goodness, but at this church men couldn’t grow a beard and woman had to wear their hair in a bun. those people are so mean and hateful. it is still going on to this day. they hate my mom now because she didn’t raise us that way. it really is a disgusting cult. i am so grateful my mom didn’t put me into that as a child.
I was in a relationship that met all the criteria of abuse you stated. I’m free now and I’m getting my joy back. It’s crazy how a cruel person can stifle your happiness.
Can I just say how is it possible that swoop doesn’t have a million subscribers?! She is so underrated. I love you so much swoop. All your docs are beautifully made and so are you. I love you so much ❤️
I was facinated by the Duggars when I was younger because I knew something was "off" - besides what you can see on the surface. I was right, but that doesn't mean I liked being right - the poor kids are the ones that are suffering and I don't find joy in that. It does make me happy to see some of them appear to be breaking away from the brainwashing as they get older.
I had a roommate who loved them and like you I was like there’s just something not right here. I was looking at them on the surface-specifically Michelle-she always looked overwhelmed and those eyes 😳😳😳.
I remember being a kid at my grandma's house and my younger cousin and I were flipping through channels and stumbled upon one of the And Counting shows. I think 17 Kids and Counting? And it was so weird to us, quite honestly. Just the way that they had so many kids, the older daughters being responsible for the younger kids, I think we even saw them making a big deal about some woman wearing shorts or something else that they deemed "indecent".
Ever see Jim Bob and Michelle being interviewed? When Jim Bob talks, Michelle looks up adoringly at him. When Michelle talks, Jim Bob looks down at her with a serious expression.
@@janel.8921 Anna did the same thing to Joshy boy.
Love how thorough and "petty" (I'd call it more "righteous anger") your investigations are. Just subscribed.
I read Jill is the one who told, Josh only admitted after he was told on. There is an episode where he calls Jill a tattletale or something along those lines (before this was public knowledge), so I'd bet it's true. I'm so glad Jill has done her own thing and seems to be getting away from all that she grew up with.
Im having to watch this in chunks because its so triggering. I grew up in a household a lot like this one and hearing it called out for what it was is so validating but seeing this and reliving that past... it's difficult. All the same thank you for calling this out
What saddens and frustrates me the most is that they share the same religious beliefs as me and do such awful things that will always end up reflecting back on me because I'm under the "same umbrella" as them. I do NOT want to be associated with these types of people, and it disturbs me how awful they treated their kids. The strict conservative shit has NEVER gone well, and it will always backfire. I've seen it first-hand with former friends and family.
The worst part is that they got away with this crap for years
Just by Josh's response at the time you can tell that the 'talks' were fully about how his life woudl be ruined and how he had to be saved. Not at all about the damage he cause his child sisters 😐
ever since jaubry's video i was hoping you'll make one swoop
This sure did open my eyes, when I was a young kid watching them I always wanted a big family and loved how the kids got along and took on adult tasks. Being older looking back, I realize how many red flags there was
i appreciate you not mincing words when it comes to parentification. while a few people learn good lessons from it, it is overall a form of abuse. it can teach responsibility, but at the cost of a child’s mental health and childhood.
hearing you say parentification is a form of abuse is very healing to me. i’m currently learning to accept that what happened to me when i was younger was not healthy.
blurring the children’s faces as well is important, while it is already out there, you choosing to not platform that is very kind and human.
long comment over, love you swoop! 💜💜
@yeetmeaburrito8559 Truly sorry for the pain you went through. As someone raised in IBLP I never knew how to feel about these things. My mom had epilepsy and had only1 surviving child - my brother (RIP) b4 adopting me. The cult people said her inability to have a huge family was caused by sin, her epilepsy was caused by sin, and adoption evil as many view it as a means to not deal with the sin. Did I have it the worst in our local IBLP group? No as I was spared raising multiple younger siblings. Again, truly sorry for what you went through.
I’m manifesting that one day you can interview Ray Jay or Jordan Woods about their experiences with the Kardashian’s. I love how informative your docs are and how you express your opinion while doing your best to be neutral. Keep up the amazing work and the Billing department thank you for your hard work as well 🥰🖤
I wish you would add a Part II, bc you have mentioned a lot of things I have seen already, but left out other things, like Anna's brother, who offered her and kids shelter and said to his sister to leave this pig and she refused, and put her kids in harms way. Anna is just as guilty as her husband, she got upset during court that their phone number was shown, but she walked out of the court room when they showed an image from his cp laptop, or how their youngest daughter is literally called Madyson (after the scandal), or how Jill and Derick worked without a real license and exploited children in El salvador, or how s-driven Jim Bob is, humping his wife in front of his daughter and her then suitor Ben on a date, and calling the dress of a toddler too short, or Jana still a virgin and forced at home at 35 or Josh making incest jokes while dating Anna, and so much more.
I also want to point out, that the show was called '17 and pregnant again' after the specials and that JB and Michelle lied , saying Josh came to them. The report said that Jill caught him, fondle her and then punched him and then told mommy and daddy and also Jana caught him fondle toddlers on the washing mashines.
Hell you are just a fountain of information I had no idea about. Did you see this on another channel or can you point me in a direction?
@@ademoss80 you should check out Be Thee Commentor channel. She's got deep dives all over the Duggars, including one just for Anna.
@@DeadLkeMe Thanks!
Jana has had her own place for years
The Duggar family always creeped me out but I never fully watched the show to understand why. I did know what Josh was convicted of and what he did to his sister's though and it made me angry that nothing was done for those girls! I had no idea how much deeper this went! Wow 🤮! Great Doc as always Swoop and by the way I was definitely your level of petty too!
Can't believe they left a child who is prone to seizures home for Jana to be responsible for us crazy. And to call it Josie's "little glitch" as casual as saying, she doesn't like peas or something?!?! Seisures are SERIOUS, not a "glitch"
As always .... *standing ovation* obviously not for the subjects, but for the high quality content, deep dives, insights and reality checks that the world so deeply needs
This video made me realize how abusive my parents were to me. They made me grow up too quickly and now I have no inner child
i’ve been having a really hard time, my whole life but recently it’s been a lot i literally only have my boyfriend in my life and his phone has been taken, right in the middle of a fight, it’s because of me. your videos are helping me so much, thank you swoop. you’re so kind and intelligent, i wish i had someone like you in my life.
I remember as a teen in my family of 13 (11 kids) I was jealous of how organized and “perfect” the family appeared on 19 kids and counting. And then not only did I grow up and realize things aren’t always what they seem in reality TV but all the grossness of Josh came out and I just felt sad for the girls and sorry for the whole family. (Of course there’s some other feelings too with the sweeping under the rug etc)
I read somewhere that it was the problem with most reality shows. However, one reason why they had to stop all this is because, after his conviction, people couldn't keep on watching the show knowing that it was television, all right, but not reality. That's why you have to go to internet caverns to find some scattered episodes here and there. And of course, the wedding episode is the first one they erased a la 1984 ministry of truth. For obvious reasons
As the middle child of 7, I’m realizing how much parentification my siblings and I went through….
yup parentification was the reason my psychologist gave me for why I wanted to get pregnant as a late teen, as all my siblings were growing up and not really needing me anymore, almost like an empty nester by the time I was 17. But also the reason I actually didn't really want to partake in my siblings lives once I became independent (at a little under 18), because they were teens going through teen stuff and they were dishing disrespect to me like they would a parent, normal teens testing boundaries, only I'm not their mum, so I wasn't sticking around for that, I felt slighted because I sacrificed so so much to protect them from our abusive neglectful addict parents, so I couldn't handle them saying the teen things they were saying, like that I didn't care about them and so on as I was barely an adult myself
The amount of work and effort you put into every single doc is phenomenal, Swoop. Thank you endlessly
As many people said in the comments thank you for validating and putting a name to a form of abuse that we have suffered, parentification isnt only horrible while the "parent child" is growing up and being under so much stress and responsibility but it lingers through all your adult life, not wanting kids or a family either because you are tired of it all or it brings negative emotions and anxiety, in my case how it affected my relationships, subconsciously i could never ask my partner for help or even allow them to do something for me when they offer or insist because you have never learned to do so, never sharing feelings or rant about your struggles because you were never given the luxury to do so as child, all of that making my partners feel basically useless and as if they are the only ones in a relationship.. and lets not talk about the people pleasing by any means necessary and lack of self esteem... people and family would often praise me for being a "wise child" very responsible independent child and talk about all of that shit as if it was something amazing when it isnt, it only brings memories of struggle pressure and suffering its not something to be proud of
OMG, Michelle's voice always grated my nerves with her breathiness, but listening it here due to the editing Swoop did (I guess so it doesn't get copyrighed), gah! I was going to Petty University with you, girl.
This movement the Duggars belong to is beyond effed up and seeing how you presented it was awesome.
Same here
Yeah, a lot of creators change the voice some. It's something extra you can do to protect your videos. But is her voice really though? It doesn't seem like anyone else's is in a real significant manner. Lordy it's annoying. RUclips loves the "family friendly" parents exploiting their children, but start going down the true crime highway and they get ridiculous.
Thank you so much for educating on coercive control and parentification
I really needed to hear this! I am a survivor of parental abuse and long ago cut ties with my abuser. Not long ago my sister has also been able to free herself from the situation but I learned that after 10 years of me leaving things only got worse for my siblings and family. This will help us to heal just knowing what to call the abuse we endured
Thank you
I may be a little bit older but I totally remember when they were The Learning Channel. It's hard to believe... but back in the day, they really were quite educational.
I am amazed that you’re able to do all this research and editing to produce such detailed content on a regular basis. You popped up on my channel because of Colleen and I’m thankful I found you! Thank you for highlighting such important issues that many people choose to turn a blind eye over. Ignorance isn’t bliss 😮
I was responsible for my siblings growing up as well, I only had part responsibly over 3 of them. But when my youngest brother was born, I basically became the second mother to him, even to the point he called me mum for yrs, even when he was corrected or told not too.
To say the least, it had its toll on me and my relationship with my siblings, especially since I had no idea what I was doing and ended up passing down my own trauma onto them, and they had a love/hate relationship with me for yrs.
I've since been able to rectify it, and we're all closer than ever, but even to this day, I am my youngest brothers second mother first, sister second because that's how he sees me
Swoop, your docs are my new guilty pleasure. Kudos to you and your staff. So very well done.
I always thought the mom's voice was put on to appear more child-like...
I used to teach two siblings piano and they weren’t allowed to listen to drums or play drums (sometimes I would do free days and we’d explore other instruments). Like….the piano is technically a hybrid of strings and percussion. 🤡
There has been a recent issue with Anna recently. She went to visit him in prison with their kids. She refused to let the guards search the child she brought. Turns out they had a phone (I believe) on them to give to Josh.
It's also likely that he got it from another inmate or a guard (corruption is rampant and guards aren't paid that well). The price of a phone is seriously high in prison so the profit margin is sky high.
But Anna or Jim Bob would definitely have put money in his commissary fund for trading purposes with an inmate if Anna didn't risk bringing it in in a diaper. If they run everyone through a metal detector, that might not have been feasible even though she could count on them not searching the baby.
Smuggling it on an older child would have been very risky because the kid could say something. But Josh had that baby on his lap and so a transfer would be possible. But guards and other inmates really are the usual source. There are a lot of illegal phones floating around that particular prison.
I don't know if Anna would risk banishment from visiting Josh by directly smuggling a phone to him, although she doesn't seem to like him much any more. But she has seven kids to house and feed, so she would do whatever Jim Bob told her to do and he's a sleaze.
Ok girl, I been watching your videos for the past couple of days and might I say...I'm seeing myself join your petty university. Not only do you give the BEST stories that I've seen but you also seem to be there for your supporters. You have a very special way of letting others know that the shit they went through and are going through isn't something that they are going through alone, and I love that. Keep doing the best at what you do girl, you got my support lol
Imagine being the investigator that has to watch all that content. Like that is their every day office job. The nightmares they must have every night.
My parents sent me to a babysitter for YEARS! The family was part of the IBLP. It was crazy. I feel so bad for their actual kids! My parents had no clue, and my baby sitter (she babysat me from pretty much birth) had convinced me that if I told my parents, I’d get more punishment. They were never honest to my parents about their religion, and always said they were just baptist.
@Kristina-st7yf This was an awful situation for you but it is an example of why parents should investigate the religious beliefs of anyone supervising their children. There is no defense for anyone threatening or punishing someone else's child. The IBLP is tricky as it is not a denomination or church. The members are told to join the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church and if that is not available then an IBC etc. They can hide who they really are because they only are assembled with other IBLP's at conferences. I only know this as I was raised IBLP. I can only hope you were not a victim of blanket training. Truly sorry for your pain.
Just a head's up, Josh Duggar was born in 1988, not 1998.
I've been WAITING for the Petty Queen to cover this story! JB pisses me off and I feel so sorry for all the girls in that family. So thankful that Jill and Jinger were able to get the hell out from under their family's hipocracy. Also, I appreciate the fact that you also went through the full roll call! 😂❤
Let's not forget Josh's father-in-law (Anna's dad) just went viral for a sermon that was pretty racist.
"150 years ago, or 200 years ago, when the Blacks were slaves, did they ever go to Washington, D.C. and have a rally 200 years ago to protest against slavery? Did they? No.
What did they do? Well, a lot of good people in the plantations would say, "Hey, it's wintertime! Let us help build a church for you dear folks."
And they loved them and taught ‘em how to read so they could read the Bible. And here's what the Blacks did about 150 years ago: They humbled themselves. They prayed. They saw God's face and they turned from their wicked ways, and God made slavery illegal through several white presidents, right? It worked, didn't it? They didn't protest.
Maybe there's a place for protests. I don't know. But there's sometimes… it’s… That was a wise pastor that warned his flock [that January 6 was a “trap”]."
This is irritating.. I was raised independent Baptist and it was horrible!!! Its a bunch of bs and a huge amount of hypocrites!!!
Agree! I too was raised independent Baptist and it was awful 😢😢😢. I still to this day remain very critical and disgusted by all forms of religion😮😮
I was mesmerized by your presentation. I never comment on videos but, I just couldn’t help myself. I hate when agendas are shoved down my throat. I truly don’t take someone’s politics as a burden, just a chance to learn. You made me remember what real journalism is. I wish you all the best! Please keep producing and I will keep watching.
Lol, yeah she’s mesmerizing alright! :)
Is it just me or do the Duggars all look related to Rimmer?
@@alwaysflushinpublic Arnold Rimmer is a character from the British sci fi sitcom “Red Dwarf.” 🙂
@@BrieofCascadiaTY! I will look it up. I have no clue but am guessing the IBLP - which I grew up in, is quite alien to other cultures? It's completely alien to most Americans outside of the deep South. TY for the joke!
I am so divided on Anna, my emotional brain screams "LEAVE HIM, GRAB THE KIDS AND RUN" but my logic brain kicks in and remembers she's been brainwashed, abused and gaslit for decades into believing that this is all HER fault, she wasn't obedient enough, she wasn't loyal enough, she wasn't good enough, her faith wasn't strong enough and this is HER Punishment. If she was "A Better Wife" Josh would have never have done these things. All being re-enforced by both JB and Michelle as well as HER Parents too, remember she (and the kids) are now living with Josh's parents, you really think they are going to give Anna the chance to wake up and get out of there?. She truly believes that she NEEDS to stay with Josh for his soul and her own as well as the souls of her children.
Again remember she was the SECOND girl that Josh courted, and JB/Michelle were determined to get that boy married ASAP to a girl who wouldn't be prone to bailing the second she heard about what Josh did (like the Holt's did), Anna's parents do Jail Ministry heavy on pray the crimes away and if you devote yourself to god you will be saved and no longer commit crimes so Josh being 'reformed' fit right in with Anna's family.
So damn sad...
Growing up as the eldest of six and being Hispanic and female I helped raise my 3 youngest siblings who are 12, 13 and 14 years younger than me. I went to school, came home to clean, cook, do my homework and help them with their homework, bathe them and then myself and put them to bed every night. I would have never thought there was a word for it or that it was considered abuse. In my family you didn't ask why, you just accepted things and dealt with it. Thank you for helping me understand that I was not responsible for kids that weren't mine.
One other thing -- since clearly I live in Arkansas (and at some point close to the Duggars) if I can pronounce Tontitown (lol), I was overly educated on the family before they even did their first documentary. When there were maybe 13 or less kids, they were made to sing in their matching outfits to ask people to "Please vote for my Daddy!" He also claimed to be a deacon in a church I didn't recognize.
So when the police reports came out in 2015, I was able to find out the so-called "church" was a home church the Duggars had created, and used in both Jim Bob Dugger and another political figure associated with them, Jim Holt. While Jim Bob Duggar was only allegedly a "deacon" in that "church", Jim Holt advertised himself as an "elder". Jim Holt also is an ordained minister, and mentioned his time as a (paid or volunteer, I don't know) chaplain at Piney Ridge, a facility for juvenile sex offenders.
That makes one of your snippets shown of the police report and Jim Bob's statement make a little more sense -- he said he talked with the "elders" of his church, who were more like his friends and political cronies (since one of the elders allegedly worked at Piney Ridge/a facility for juvenile sex offenders in the police report, I don't remember which). It also makes more sense why the state and defense in Josh's trial didn't ask Jim Holt to testify in much detail, and just had his wife testify about the detailed things.
As an ordained minister who has registered his credentials to perform marriages in the state, Jim Holt was a mandated reporter. And he broke the law by not immediately reporting the knowledge children had been sexually abused (even by other minors, but out of the age range for our "Romeo and Juliet" -- would also cover "playing doctor", I suppose -- statue). By the time Oprah made the police report, the statute of limitations had expired on Jim Holt's failure to report, but it would have looked bad for him to admit he had committed a crime on the stand years later.
So while Gothard's teachings had inspired both Jim Bob and Jim Holt, as well as other families in northwest Arkansas, to form a "home church" instead of going to an evangelical one up there (and there are maaaaany to choose from there)... Jim Bob didn't go to Bill Gothard about this. In fact, the revelations from the trial suggest that the alleged "construction/prayer rehabilitation" treatment was at least partially done by Jim Holt, or there was another time that he messed up and was sent off to the Holts another time after that to "pray/reform" and that's how Bobbie Holt had him in her house and heard him admit hat she did to his youngest victim. Either way, if Bobbie told him what Josh said then, his mandated reporter requirements would have come up. (So it's still possible the Hots were his "construction/rehab" supervisors, and Holt feel the need to tell Jim Bob to report to police to resolve his mandated reporter obligations (meaning he hadn't taken a class on the obligations of clergy here at all -- it doesn't meet that).
And of course it's likely Jim Bob minimized the story, just like they did in the Megyn Kelley interview, rather than admit their nearly 15 year old son had touched his then-youngest sister under her underwear -- and that sister was VERY young, indeed. The cop being part of the "good old boy" network up there (apparently he often saw Jim Bob because of the car dealership somehow?) and also a piece of trash didn't help matters any.
Not trying to "correct" you -- your video makes perfect sense and I LOVED it, and in a way he Did go to Gothard, if he went to local people/friends who were also brainwashed by Gothard. I just know there were other people involved, and at least one by name, that weren't Bill Gothard.