The Duggars #1
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2020
- TW: sexual abuse, child abuse, ED discussion, miscarriages, transphobia, and mini golf humping.
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If a kid is raised by another kid then both kids are being neglected
yes! If you haven't got enough time to be a parent to each of your kids then you have too many
The sad reality is older siblings are always expected to be free nannies. When I was in elementary school, I had a friend who was always responsible for her younger sister. She had to take her everywhere, even on play dates.
@@criticalthinkingconcubus as a mom with 2 boys, I do not make my oldest go anywhere with his brother if he doesn't want to
exactly. i have a friend who mothers her siblings while her mom lives her best life. i hate it for her.
Exactly. Maybe don't have so many damn kids that you can't take care of them all. Kids are not nannies. They should be kids for as long as they can. She's literally making these kids grow up so fast that they don't even realize whats happening.
Buddy system = You had too many kids to give individual attention to so make them raise each other instead
Literally my fuckin childhood. If you don’t wanna take care of a kid then don’t have one. Your eldest children are still children.
@@oppaloopa3698 dont have one let alone 19
Parentification (I don’t know how to spell it) ... too many of us experience this
THIIIIIS!!
Child neglect and emotional abuse with more steps
"I think all girls suffer from body image issues. Life's too short to never have a chocolate chip cookie." I'm pretty sure that's the only thing Michelle Duggar ever said and ever will say that I agree with. lol
i don’t agree with anything she says really but i am proud of her since she has come out with the fact that she had a severe ed & suffered heavily from bulimia in her younger years. so i’m happy for her for overcoming that, everything else is...🤢
I disagree. I think saying all girls suffer from body issues just normalizes hating your body. If you have body issues, that is ok, but it shouldn't just be an expectation.
@@rachelk4805 it probably could’ve been worded better. i think what michelle was (hopefully) saying was that too many little girls suffer from body image issues and there’s no reason to feel guilty over eating enjoyable food. but yeah, you’re right. we shouldn’t tell young girls that they’re basically weird if they don’t hate themselves.
@@rachelk4805 I definitely see your point. I feel like we live in a society where almost all girls have dealt with body image issues, but we should strive for a society where that doesn’t happen.
Same lol
"If it doesn't leave a mark, its not abuse" is a statement that abusers make.
These people go to seminars that train parents how to abuse their kids without leaving marks. It’s disgusting.
"if its not a closed fist its not abuse" ... things ive heard ...
survivorship bias is also huge when people make those statements. "i got hit and i'm fine" so therefore it's ok to abuse others because you're "fine"???
dancing is sinful and they don’t even allow front hugs until marriage but somehow were able to gloss over and forgive josh for molesting the girls. make it make sense.
Its always hypocrisy with those kinds of people.
The girls are supposed to apologize for leading them astray.
Just like Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@jturtle5318 that’s awful
IM SAYING THO!!!!
Yikes, they don't hug their kids? That means most of their physical interactions with their kids is when they're being punished. Imagine the only physical contact you've had with your mother is when she's beating you with a rod.
At one point in my childhood, that’s basically every interaction I had with my mom. She is schizophrenic and crazy religious.
holy shit i didn’t even think about this... you’re so right
@@ss75691 I’m so sorry this happened to you. You deserved so much better. Love and understanding. I hope you were able to disengage, stay safe and find means to process. I hope watching this isn’t triggering too much.
I’m not defending them, but there’s a clip of Michelle hugging Josiah when he was a child at one of her pregnancy announcements...?
I think it's okay if it's the kids choice, like for instance if they aren't fond of physical contact. But yeah, if they're getting smacked that's not great....
They let their son SEXUALLY ASSAULT Their daughter and then tried to claim trans people are predators. These guys are the worst kind of people. Also the quickness with which the dad called up the technicalities of his sons assault and how he is a pedophile because of his age makes my skin crawl. Who knows that info just off the top of their head?
"i can excuse my son sexually abusing his sisters and getting arrested for having csem on his computer but I draw the line at trans people existing"
Most literally, the call is coming from INSIDE THE DAMN HOUSE!?
@@mayjailerxx it almost ALWAYS is when it comes to conservatives
the thing is pedophilia can be shown in children bc its not just a thing that happens after 18. i really wish he couldve been given help instead of letting him just DO these things bc "oh well hes a kid so its not a problem"
@@avery4818 what kind of weird apologia is this? You can't be a pedo under 18, that's not how it works. He was a creep his whole life and that probably had to do with being raised by deranged freaks with a breeding and child neglect fetish.
‘Her funeral was broadcast on TLC’ that tells you everything you need to know about this family
She died?
Oh, the grandma😅my bad
they dress modest to “protect themselves from men” yet their own brother sexually assaulted them. it just proves it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing, some people are just perverts.
Yes it does.
@@beaglesss7075 how would u explain what the brother did to his young sisters? (some of his sisters were as young as 5year old)
He wasn’t born a “pervert” though. It proves that neglect and abuse and raising children on repressive cults breeds further traumas and abuse. Whether he was abused as a kid too or just raised in a sex negative household.... dysfunction breeds dysfunction sadly
@@tabitha4048 This just looks like a normal family honestly. When the mother was yelling at her child, I didn’t see anything wrong with it. Obviously she wants to look better on camera and not let people see her telling her child how to act. Big families usually have cousins who do this, as hard as it is to believe. But the kids don’t report it. It’s because the kids go unchecked. That’s not my point though, I was just saying that women should dress modest if they want to protect themselves from men.
@@beaglesss7075 Are you seriously trying to defend pedocriminality?
“We don’t shake body parts, just touch them without consent”
@Sarah Jo 20:37
@Sarah Jo 21:16
@Sarah Jo sorry i don't read youtube text when i'm watching tiktok videos. 🤷🏻♀️
its just not my thing. 😕
oVeR tHe ClOTheS🙄 hE hAd JuST tUrnED 15... Fuckin weirdos
💀💀💀
“We’re expecting number 18!”
The 9 month old in her arms: 👁👄👁
She was so fertile while so many women struggle to conceive
@@sararao8429 And? Nobody fucking cares. People can do with their bodies whatever they want.
@Paper eater Okay default pfp.
I think people can decide for themselves and don't need patronizing internet strangers trying to control them. Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy.
Just to make it clear, I agree with your general sentiment, but please take a fucking look at the person I responded to. Just because someone is fertile doesn't mean they owe anything to infertile people or should feel guilty about it. That's fucking disgusting.
@Paper eater Hell no.
The vibes I got from that person is shaming fertile people since there's infertile people who'd love to have their fertility. To an extent, it made me think of other folks who perceive fertility as a "blessing" and how everyone fertile should pop out kids instead of enjoying their childfree life, getting sterilized etc. It's shaming as in "Look how you aren't using your fertility when there's so many people struggling with that!". Obviously might be a reach, just trying to describe the vibes I got there.
I'm kinda chronically online debating forced birthers and people who perceive motherhood as the be-all end-all for every single person who can get pregnant. Sick of it.
@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 yes they can, doesn’t mean it isn’t incredibly dangerous and objectively neglectful to have so many children who are barely a year apart in age from each other. Not to mention that it can really fuck up a persons body having children back to back like that. There’s a reason doctors usually recommend 18 months before conceiving again
Pretending "modesty" will stop sexual assault has the exact same effect as telling someone on a tightrope to not look down.
Or it's like saying that if you don't always wear a helmet, then you're asking to get a concussion.
If they are concerned about modesty then why not just wear a hijab and those long black gowns that are fashionable in muslim countries?
It's interesting bc young girls in NY wear XL t-shirts over their bar hopping outfits on the subway to stop harassment and SA so you could argue it works to an extent.
@@jasonlee8156It doesn’t work either way. Though I’m sure in their minds, they view themselves as less extreme.
“The buddy system” is called parentification and it’s a form of abuse.
I didn’t know that!
I thought it was a good thing because it teaches kids how to take care of themselves and others.
Everyday’s a school day
I don’t think it’s that bad to be honest. We’re just use to nuclear family dynamics so it seems odd.
@@CamillaRules892 Its one thing if a kid is changing a diaper here and there or feeding a baby every now and then. Its a completely different thing when older kids are having to watch after multiple younger kids, having to make sure they're fed, having to make sure they've got clothes, etc. and doing all of this stuff to the point that they aren't able to be kids themselves. Tons of people who had to take care of their younger siblings have said that they do not want kids of their own because of how much they had to do it as a kid.
EDIT: And what makes it even worse, is that these kids are homeschooled. So, they are like never able to get away from the house and just have fun. Always having to take care of the younger siblings, always having to help around the house, and then the schooling on top of everything else. The only time they can get out of the house is probably when they go to Church. It means those kids are extremely isolated. They never really come into contact with people outside of their family, church, etc. Which is like the whole fucking point of these cults. They want to keep the young people and kids away from people who aren't like them, away from the "sinners" and people who could "tempt" them.
And that's why it pisses me off so much when people are like "Oh just let those religious groups do whatever they want." because it makes it extremely easy for these religious groups whether they're fundies, JWs, Amish, etc. to hide all of the emotional, physical, sexual abuse that's happening behind closed doors.
@@CamillaRules892 That’s a lot of pressure to put on a child. They’re not the ones that got pregnant, so their siblings shouldn’t be their responsibility outside of occasional baby sitting. I’d also worry about older kids hitting their younger siblings.
@@lilialotus8115 @Michelle Davies you two have good points, the kids are being adults when they should be children
Michelle being married to Jim Bob in 1984 makes a lot of sense. I imagine since she married him he hasn't let her progress in society in any capacity since. Even her hair is stuck in 1984.
I was thinking the same thing. Lol.
they haven't progressed since 1860, apparently
her hair is like that because the head of their church believes that women with curly longhair are attractive
Yes. Those 360 bangs 🤣
Damn yeah... Definitely weird when you think of it that way...
The worst was when Michelle said that NO MATTER WHAT, give in to sex. No matter how tired, sick, pregnant...
Yeah, she's so brainwashed that she thinks that's what she's supposed to do. I wonder if she even realizes that she has a choice anymore.
Jim Bob needs to get another hobbie.
The fact that TLC continued to give this family a platform after finding out that the parents covered up their children’s molestation is beyond fu$&ed up.
Money
I would like to imagine the kids might have been safer (at least a little of the time) with the film crews there. But I don't know if that is true :(
On Honey Boo Boo apparently the dad was very abusive toward the kids but if you watch the show he's like the happy wholesome dad who just supports his kids. TLC definitely covered it up, they have a history of doing this
Them poor sisters covered up, never dance, never did anything sexual and still got touched by their brother. I feel so sorry for them. Their minds are so stuck on making the girls be pure and don’t even care about teaching them boys!
It's really just sad and fucked up not doing anything and feel so bad for the girls not doing any of those things.
That's pretty much Christian "purity" culture in a nutshell.
@@sholem_bond they aren't standard denominational christians so no 🙄 they are in a purity-cult called the quiverfull movement and theres many videos about this. They are NOT allowed to say the name of this movement publically so they use "christian" as a catch all phrase to be publically accepted so they can push their beliefs. Its not the same and its gross and down right insulting to compare
What? You mean they didn't DRESS PROVOCATIVELY or HANG OUT WITH THE WRONG CROWDS or DRINK TO EXCESS or BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF TOWN when they were molested and raped? But.. surely there is SOME way we can blame the victim here or else my whole world view will shrivel up and fall out of my ass.
That's what happens when you're raised to think about everything you do in the context of sex and that you won't get to do it until the day you're married and then a woman will have to give it to you whenever you want even if she does not consent.
They’re so grossly possessive of their children’s bodies.
Yes! Even after they’re married smh
I'll take it a step further and say I got the vibe during the bees talk with the son, that the father was molested by his doctor who 'taught him and his wife everythong' and wrote a book. He passed this book to his son.. As if his son is a virgin, the dad should have been aware he is not seeing he's constantly watching porn and flicking with the family. The dad knows, sees he's completed the cycle of abuse by passing on his own issues and giving this illusion of power to his son. Ew.
The fact that I know them personally disgusts me
Everything they do is just not normal.
@@maya.2867 How do you know them personally?
The “prayer closet” really scares me. My mind immediately went to it being for disciplinary purposes, as in, “You’re gonna go in there and pray about what you did.”
It has a "Mommy Dearest" vibe, right?
My mind went to the movie Carrie
@@tammalone1830 And the book it was based on (which was even scarier than the movie version)
I have a feeling that “prayer closet” is more like where someone gets sent to pray when they’re bad
Yeeeaahh, gives me real Stephen King's Carrie vibes
@@AlannaMacree The kids are 100% locked in there when they do something "sinful"
No one is talking about the atheist guy. He was super respectful and let him talk and respected his view even though Duggar didn’t. Props to that dude.
I feel like atheists are usually the ones who tend to be open minded and respectful more so than super religious people tbh but I might just be biased cause I’m an atheist haha
Lol, I feel like he was taking the tactic of "just nod and smile". He knows that there's no getting through to them, so easier just to let them say their piece and then back away slowly :D
@@Icefang2014 I think it depends. I come from the UK and my parents are atheists and my grandparents are atheists and my great-grandparents stopped attending church as children. I'm an atheist. I was patient and respectful when I moved to the US and dealt with Christians at first. After a couple of years, I decided fuck it. I don't care anymore. I just want them to shut the fuck up. They don't respect me or my family or our traditions or our views. They can sit on red hot pokers.
@@motherintoronto yeah I completely get that. I’m from the US and grew up religious but eventually realized I didn’t believe anything and identified as an atheist. But religious people here are very rude a lot of times or just don’t respect people who don’t follow their religion. Like people bring up their religion too much to me and I try to be respectful and say I’m an atheist and they almost get like offended when they hear I’m not religious. But it can be hard to stay respectful when they’re not respectful back
@@Icefang2014 Atheists unironically virtue-signal more so than the super-religious people like you are doing right now
Michelle: "We are pregnant!"
The little kids: 😐😕😟🙃😐😑🙁😶
@Hannah Mounter Shut the fuck up.
@Hannah Mounter ok “Hannah”
@Hannah Mounter Ummm??
😩🤣😂🤣
@Hannah Mounter hannah do you need help 😟
Being born into this family would literally be my worst nightmare
When the news broke for Josh's arrest my heart dropped. I am warning people, do NOT read up on what was found on his computer, I stumbled on it in an article without any kind of warning and it made me extremely fearful for his children, especially his daughters. I am completely disgusted his wife is sticking by him but not surprised. Women are taught in that culture that divorce is worse than any kind of abuse you could endure and it's awful that someone would really think God wants women and children to suffer to that extent. Josh is a trash human being and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
(Anna's thinking makes zero sense, shouldn't some logic wake her up, she flew on planes, traveled some, goes to the store, like some part of her brain works with real world where's the break down ? )
She needs to get those kids far away from him. I'd be really surprised if he hadn't already done something awful to them.
The content they found was horrendous. Definitely do not read unless you're prepared to hear some depraved ish
Just want to second this. Saw someone mention a detail in a comment here which identified which CP he had. Unfortunately I already recognised the name from listening to a podcast a few years back about catching pedophiles which, while the reporting was extremely good, also described some details of that material which I genuinely think should not have been published. Even though there was a warning of sorts I was not prepared and regret having heard it. I know morbid curiosity can be really, really hard to resist and you feel like "I won't be satisfied till I hear the details" but..... you will just regret it with this one. You'll read it. And then you'll wish you hadn't read it. And that'll be it. Nothing interesting or exciting, just a regret.
I've heard it is the worst of the worse Daisy's destruction and I'm honestly afraid to google it.
Love the irony of Michelle thinking all sex offenders wanna go into female facilities but her oldest SON is the one she should be worried about 😳
Carpet sweeping deniars.
She is, that is why they lock all the girls into a single bedroom at night,.
That's probably a contributing factor to why she's so worried about men honestly
@@tiffiwall honestly you’re probably so right and that’s really tragic
What?! All sex offenders should be shot instantly. Their son should also be on that list. I really don’t understand what’s your point
"mom cannot be everywhere at all times"
maybe... if you can't raise all of your kids.... don't have so many???
@Meghan I understand that, a parent shouldn't be expected to do everything for a child. but when your children start raising each other, it becomes a bit too extreme and more neglectful
@Meghan Except they are raising them. Their mother breastfeeds the child and then once they’re a toddler the older siblings have to take care of them until the kids are of age (they call it the buddy system). Having to babysit once in a while is one thing, but having to clothe, feed, discipline, your siblings for your entire childhood is neglect.
@Meghan she has 19 children... that’s less then a hour a day she could possibly be individually spending with the children. That’s not healthy.
@Meghan its even stated in the video, the “buddies” will help brush their teeth, do their hair, get them ready, even teach them!? That’s all things the PARENT is supposed to be doing. Mathematically there’s not enough time in a day for one women to parent all these children, it’s simply just not possible.
@Meghan yeah not really sure why you’re defending them. Older siblings helping younger siblings is normal and good for both parties. This is pretty clearly not what they’re doing
Josh saying “I kinda know how everything works...” in hindsight should’ve been a red flag for the viewers
what's even worse: jb *knew* that j*sh knows. but they still had to play the little scene out, for the cameras.
At least Jen didn’t use the “I’ll have a working model” comment
That interview where the sister protects Josh against the molestation allegations is unfathomably horrible. Imagine your brother--who you love and trust to protect you, who you are expected to defer to--molests you and your family bends themselves over backwards to justify his actions. And then when people find out, you and your sisters are forced to abandon all dignity and answer invasive questions about being molested on national television protecting him. I hate hate hate this family.
I can't stand when other women speak in that soft, almost drugged out cadence like they don't want to upset the men-folk by raising their voices or something!!!! its so creepy!!!! honey no!!!!!
what about women who struggle with social anxiety? It's not that I want to conform to gender stereotypes you know
@@neonflower66 I get that! I also have anxiety but I think it matters if that anxiety is just general or if it's caused by men or male behavior ya know
i thought the same thing it’s such a clear indication that they are being brainwashed and it’s disturbing
I've noticed that in Evangelical sects and it usually (ironically) screams "my husband won't let me have a personality."
fr me too her voice both disturbs and enrages me
josh talking about “taking the lives of innocent babies” when he literally took the childhood away from girls who *were* born...
And they also support the death penalty like?? Make it make sense 😭😂
@@blankabontovics7063 maybe they believe babies are innocent and certain types of criminals are not, who knows
@@victarodactyl Who knows? Definitely not you.
Raised fundie. OK, so the thinking goes that the unborn haven't sinned and therefore being born is compulsory. Yep, I said that right. Some fundies believe that miscarriage/stillbirth is punishment for the parents. (Unclear on whether the Duggars do, though some statements point to yes). Anywho. People who have been convicted of a capital crime are just getting what they deserve with the death penalty. It's as simple as that. On sa toward young women, he knows he shouldn't have but confess and say you're sorry and it all goes away. Forgiven. Done and dusted.
@@nikolatovar9884 how could you possibly know that i definitely dont know?
Them kids are tired of siblings. You can see it in their eyes.
As a Finn, the whole idea of revealing clothing being so seductive that it makes men rape women is fucking ridiculous, since I have grown up in a country where even nudity is relatively normal in certain situations. Like in saunas for instance. Every Finn owns a sauna, every family uses it together, and everyone invites all their friends to spend vacation days on a sauna together, all fully naked, and all genders mixed. Same with swimming in lakes, especially on winter. People often just do it naked. Despite all this, nobody ever rapes anybody. Nobody even thinks it's anything even remotely sexual. It's just simply natural. Sexualising everything is such a weirdly foreign concept. I'm pretty sure it's like at least 90% a cultural problem. I actually hadn't even thought about it before I got a foreign friend who suddenly got kinda awkward about the concept of a sauna. Like wtf, do y'all bath fully clothed or smth??? If a guy thinks nudity or the way you dress is automatically inherently sexual, the problem is with the guy (and probably how he was taught), not actually the way you dress.
You're right. Nudity is natural. I don't pretend to know how religious Finns are, but over here Christianity (and arguably all sects of it) have intertwined nudity with sexuality to the point where it is a twisted mess of lies and shame. That is why, in my humble opinion, that they feel this way, albeit more so than non-fundamental Christians. FYI I'm pagan (Wiccan) so nudity is somewhat a part of paganism. (Not required but it's also not discouraged and some rituals and ceremonies are "traditionally" performed nude - if you can say that Wicca has any tradition. The celebration of sex (particularly around Beltane in Spring, which represents "rebirth"), and nudity (non-sexual) is probably one of the reasons they think we're devil worshippers. Because of course we worship something we don't believe actually exists AND have the audacity to view a naked girl as just a person, not a sexual object. Hail Satan. Miroslav Satan, that is.
It is certainly a cultural issue. Again, their niche subculture takes it much farther than protestant Christians would, but it's still the same underlying message: Your body is shameful and sexuality is sinful. That is until you get married. Then you should fuck like rabbits and pop babies out like a pez dispenser.
Apparently, an erection is all in our perverted minds. It can't possibly be normal to get one randomly and I'm sure that they deter girls from humping their pillows by saying, "It's the devil in your loins..." The only devil down there is in the form of menstrual cycles - that is - they become demons and we have to run and hide for 5 days. lol.
To avoid these sinful thoughts, clearly clothing is the answer. From head to toe... but not like that wicked Islam, of course. No, TOTALLY different.
(Note: Sarcasm)
Wish we had some of that philosophy over here in the US of fuckin A.
Our system penalizes teenage girls for wearing tank tops to class, but protects male predators all the way up to the goddamn White House.
I am an American who lived in Germany for awhile and enjoyed the nude spas there. I think Americans could stand to be a bit less up tight about nudity.
Please take me into your country! I cannot stand it here in the U.S.A. as a brown woman 😭😭
I absolutely hate the fact that the parents act like EVERY pregnancy is this big surprise. The REAL surprise announcement would be that she WASN'T pregnant and this madness is coming to an end.
😂
At least they're not immortal
It’s gross they taught their daughters to be nothing but baby factories and the one daughter who wanted to go to school (Jana) was sent to a re-program camp.
No they aren’t immortal but their cult and legacy is.
@@corypowercat7277 I hope not presuming no legacy will last forever as our planet succumbs to the sun eventually
It's like Jim Job couldn't recruit strangers into his cult so he birthed one instead...
that’s what i’m saying...like a loophole where it’s easy to brainwash and influence starting at birth
They are actually a part of the quiver full cult
My Dad was part of the quiverfull cult and a couple other very similar to it, and he ruined my and my family’s life.....
@@noahbartlett1296 I'm so sorry you had to endure not just one cult, but multiple. I hope you're able to get yourself away from all of those situations and able to get some help 💜
@@nocturnerose7696 Yeah, I managed to finally get out this year! Actually looking forward to a life with my own choices and decisions!!
I love how all the scenes used in the buddy system sequence are older sisters taking care of younger brothers. Did the older brothers ever become anyone's "buddy"? Or did Josh's behavior make them think that that was a bad idea?
She called bulemia nervosa a bad habit.
when the scottish guy said he doesn’t believe in any kind of god the kids really looked at him like they didn’t know that was even an option 😭
My dad was very similar to Jim Bob, but I only had *ten* siblings, so there was no TV show to help us. He got cps called on him twice, first by my mom's therapist, then by the therapist my parents made me go to after I s o m e h o w. ended up with an eating disorder and depression. Turns out, I'm not even a girl.
I wonder how they’ll feel about any of the pagan religions?
Because they’re raised in a bubble of believers lol
@@samuraix558 HOW!!!!
@@tatiannawhite8096
... How am I not a girl?
Why jeans tho, like long track pants didn’t exist
Right, just being quirky for attention
Track pants aren’t modest enough
@@rexruther4864 how?
Latex is the devils cloth
@@dinah1193 i'm guessing it's more revealing to curves and hugs the body etc.
I think Michelle will have a nervous break down when she starts the menopause. Her whole purpose seems to be having kids. She’ll probably encourage her girls to have lots.
Think it's already happening... she's not had a baby for a while. Which is a relief because she's not exactly taken care of the ones she's already got.
@@Lulusnotreadyforthis I'm surprised her body hasn't completely broken down. Often, feral cats and dogs and animals at puppy mills if they were bred uncontrollably die early because their uterus quite literally wears out and they hemorrhage to death.
@@zammmerjammer her 20th baby died (stillborn) because her uterus was so damaged by 19 births it couldn’t handle it. She replaced the baby by adopting a kid from another fundie family and now she fills that void with her grandkids
She’s just replaced having kids with having grandkids. She’s already got 23 grandkids across their 8 married kids. She’s likely to get up to over 100 grandkids if all her kids have the 5-7 kids common in these families. No shortage of validation
Against abortion in all forms (mom is sacrificial), but for the death penalty. Once again these fundies prove it’s the right to choose who lives and who dies that they really care about.
There's a BIG difference between the two. One is an innocent soul being killed who is given no chance at life and the other is a someone who killed an innocent soul and ended their life. BIG DIFFERENCE
Flip your logic and the same is true. Those for abortion are also against the death penalty. Choosing who gets to live and die.
@@itiswhatitis7266 That theory can be applied to all life. The meat in my breakfast sandwich was an innocent soul. I don’t see fundies protecting them. The carrots in my salad are innocent. Where’s the outrage over carrot murder? The eggs in my refrigerator are a result of hens forced into boxes to just lay eggs. Any fertilized eggs are harvested in the hopes for female chicks. Most male chicks are sent to the wood chipper. They’re not needed, but I don’t see right to lifers giving a damn about them. Are they not innocent souls? At least I’m not a hypocrite. Animals have souls too. I know this and still eat them. Do I feel bad about it? Sometimes. While I don’t eat babies, I also don’t see the point of forcing birth upon someone who does not want to go through it. However, I don’t consider a fetus as actual life until it can survive outside the womb. Just as I do not consider turtles actual life until they can survive outside their eggs.
They are not pro life. They just want to control women. Thats it.
the duggars: “we don’t want to draw attention to our bodies”
also the duggars: *wears jeans in a marathon*
Lol 😆
Or also wears skin tight long skirts
Hahaha. My Christian mother was a bit conservative with clothing and never liked us girls revealing clothing BUT she always told us that it is important not to dress out of style so as not to draw too much attention to ourselves. We had to find a way to both honor god AND mesh with the world around us.
...and we wonder how I am in my early 30s, out of the faith, and just beginning to figure out my own identity. 😅
@@treefrog1018 My mom is baptist but I never tested her with trying to get risque clothing because I prefer comfort and casual clothing anyway. The one thing she would not budge on was bras. She absolutely refused to buy me any bra that was patterned, red, or black. I could only get tan, white, or gray. No lace either but that I find reasonable I guess lol It was just weird to me because she let me dye my hair any color, listen to any music, gauge my ears, and she didn't "let me" but she knew I smoked cigarettes and weed and never called me out. I guess I was a good enough kid, never got in any trouble and graduated high school early and went to college. Just such a weird thing 😂 I didn't even have sex until I was 21 so it's not like I was going to show off my bras anyway. 😅
@@rapa2894 The bra thing is kinda funny! My mom was never picky on that, we just had a time finding comfy bras in my size, even lace ones were more old lady than cute.
growing up as a homeschooler who went to church occasionally, my mom was very unpopular among the local homeschool groups for not allowing duggars in the house. I remember her saying "any family with that many kids has got to have some kind of abuse." low and behold mom was very right.
@@fastkarr8256 no not really, they were attached to a local christian homeschool group where students were taught accredited fine arts and sciences, we left after one of my teachers was ostracized due to her divorce.
Well, as much as it may at times frustrate us, our parents are right. I was also a home school kid. It's hard to fit the mold.
100%! As a survivor of my very Catholic, homeschooled family of seven, abuse, neglect and trauma go hand in hand. The Duggar’s were pretty much idolized. We had friends with seven, eight, ten kids. I was either too young or avoiding the church when this was going down but I’ll bet there were defenders on Catholic mommy blogs and facebook
I used to live in Fayetteville as well,
and I know that the people there avoid the Duggar’s. Their church is especially infamous for child abuse.
Im always suspicious of large families. I do think there's lovely ones, but one of the best ways to tell is seeing how the oldest member (or oldest girl in all honesty) feels about the family. Theyre usually the ones who take the brunt of it.
I am hoping that Josh gets the maximum sentence for his crimes against children. And I am noticing how so many women in these right-wing Christian groups speak like whispering babies. What is that?
As an afab person who was raised in a very similar religious cult, it’s ingrained into you from a very young age that you need to be quite. You don’t get to speak up, you don’t get to be loud or rambunctious, you MUST be seen and not heard. You MUST be submissive to either your parents or you husband. It’s the only way to survive.
It’s so creepy
Only mayonnaise American women. I can't see these Stepford lessons taking hold with Caribbean or Italian or Scottish women.
"Keep sweet", as the FLDS cult would say.
I've heard that women who speak that way or sound like they have a 9 year olds voice had been sexually abused when they were young and their voices just stopped maturing after the abuse took place
A+ usage of Blanche's, "Gawd, I wish I was dead," clip. 😂
"We're expecting number 18!"
You can see the looks on some of the kid's faces. They look upset and trying to hide it, or look completely dejected. Their parents make them mothers and fathers to their younger siblings, and they all just want a break. But no, mom and dad just /have/ to push another baby out of the coochie cannon for some reason.
jasjksnsbh coochie cannon 💀💀
COOCHIE CANNON
COOCHIE CANNON
The reason is that they want to create a "god army" to fight the heathens. That's the entire purpose. They want to outbreed the non believers.
COOCHIE🥵🥵CANON😏😏😩😩
Bruh, if birth control causes abortion how did the mom literally have 2 kids while on the pill??
Bc Jesus go brrr
Lmaooooooo
@@chipotlelover69 LMFAO
I mean Josh was the surviving kid, so I would only hope that Jesus was in control there. (/s)
Wait she did?! That's TERRIFYING
“I’ve done a limited amount of research on abortion causing drugs-“ *furiously hits fast forward button to avoid losing brain cells*
"Are you surprised?"
No, mom, it's like the furthest thing from a surprise that you're pregnant again.
With as many kids as they have, chances are AT LEAST one of them is trans, gay, or non-binary. And I feel so bad for these kids even more.
There is definitely going to be at least 2 of each.... There is no chance for these kids to not be after living like this for so long... Sex addicts as well because they were never taught about sex properly. I mean counseling would help but doesn't fix everything.
I want them to be able to come out
reading this comment made me think of those documentaries about religious families abusing children who come out and you KNOW that is happening. i’m not saying it’s physical but it is definitely emotional and psychological, which is just as bad. people who want to use the excuse of religious freedom kindly step over this and the fact that all of the children are humans.
Shoot, I forgot if it was jessica or Jill. But one of those two are lesbian and we're forced into a hetero marriage
I think it was rumored that one of the older girls (Jinger, i think) is gay and won’t marry.
It actually breaks my heart when Duggar "fans" are wringing their hands wondering why the oldest girl (Jana?) is not yet married or interested in courting. UM she is prolly still traumatized from her creepy ass brother and he should be locked up btw !
@noona agreed. I grew up watching the show and i was always pretty weirded out by their whole process, especially how they handled marriage and child care
She wanted to go to college but Jim Bob made her go to a re-program camp. So she got brain washed. She’s also being kept at the house as a maid.
@@corypowercat7277 that's awful...
@@corypowercat7277 that's so fucked up shes getting brain washed and manipulated as well can't not be wired and get into some some amazing hobbies.
It's my belief she is either asexual or gay
I feel so sorry for those girls having to go do damage control for Josh Duggar. They aren't allowed to process their own hurt and trauma and have to publicly downplay it, perhaps internalizing their own excuses as they make them. Also I have never seen anyone wear yellow eyeshadow well but you look amazing!
That prayer closet hits different now that Shiny Happy People showed that the prayer closet at their properties were solitary confinement punishment rooms
As if people are being sexually stimulated by men’s legs running at a marathon…
Wait what?
@@Deg40000 they’re talking about how they wore jeans at a marathon to not show their legs or been seen as sexual
@@Deg40000 will you watch the damn video before reading the comments? Lmao
It’s the ankles. Ankles are making people go wild 😂😂😂
@@sydneym-y Oh Yes. Get me an eye full of those hairy, vieny, dry, unlotioned man ankles. 😝
They need to stop worrying about transgender women and worry more about their own sons. What the hell? The dad was excusing his sons behavior... "he's just curious" tf?
I know right not letting them be themselves is fucked up .
But Josh really knows how to use his amazing fingers in those ladies.
It blew my mind. “We don’t want transgenders to use bathrooms bc we want to protect children” but what abt their daughters? The way they excused his behaviour made me sick. Those poor girls. ://
Love that the hypocrisy and irony is lost on them lmfao, I'd call her back so fast "so abusing children and little girls is ok for your cisgender straight son, but you wanna worry about trans kids?? gtfo!"
@@shaylaryce8990 because it’s a pattern someone molested the son...probably the father !!!!!!
I’m assuming that the teenagers use the prayer closet for very unholy activities on occasion
It concerned me when Michelle said sometimes two would go inside to “pray together”. It wouldn’t disturb me except for what we know about Josh.
The fact she said "not for other things" and "sometimes two" makes me think something already did and self consciously she was nervous about that and hinted at it. Without even realizing it
@@krystathirteenth4904 freudian slip lmao
I would hate to take a black light to that closet...
Scandalous!
3:35 As someone who is far too familiar with EDs & body dysmorphia, I recognised Michelle straight up staring at her slimmer friend’s body here in silent comparison… idk it’s really poignant & sad (my sympathy is limited, however). Can’t imagine the toll going through that many pregnancies + labor would take on the body (don’t want to imagine tbh, oof 😣)
i like how all the girls are so beautiful and all the dudes look like potatoes
Daddy’s hairline and being raised to be shitty people has that effect
yes but jedadiah is so fine like he is the only one thats attractive
Haha, that’s so true! Lol
@Hannah Mounter tf, are you a homophobe?
@Hannah Mounter no
I would definitely hotbox the prayer room
Where my invite😂😂
@@10Maymay same here let’s do it 😂😂
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Absolutely!!!
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"Life's too short not to have a chocolate chip cookie"
The only thing I agree with Michelle on
"if you die, what do i do from there" is an extremely normal conversation to have with your husband actually
Yes, for adults. They get married so young that that sort of thing doesn't occur to them, because they only just finished high school 😬
Yeah I think the problem is if you never actually learned the life skills to live without your spouse which can happen if you marry so young
Truth.
Michelle loves babies, loves the attention, loves to hold them. Then when she loses interest in the newest child she hands them off to the older daughters so she can get excited about the next new baby. Then the older daughters raise the babies.
do we think it's the trauma of her first miscarriage that has fueled all this baby mania..?
Literally. And then u have to force your children to do things that they shouldn’t. They should be enjoying their childhood. I know it’s okay for them to have responsibilities, but if u can’t give ur attention to all of your children, don’t have that many.
@@subwaysurfers1508 probably, given that there’s also this TikTokker who lost her baby and now has a son who isn’t vaccinated, doesn’t wear sunscreen, is exclusively breastfed by his vegan mother and is allowed to put anything in his mouth from sand to dirty shopping cart handles.
She also practiced free birth, where a woman gives birth at home in the presence of her partner and/or family; obviously this is extremely dangerous, as there’s no midwife or anyone with medical training to help should something go wrong, and several women and babies have died during free birth because something did.
Anyway, untreated trauma from miscarriage or infant death can make you go kinda nuts.
This was my mom who had five kids. She would have had more but she lost her uterus. Good thing she did Bc we grew up in a very dysfunctional home.
I think that’s the sad truth
I feel Jana doesn't want to settle because she's been taking care of young kids almost her whole life. She's probably sick of it.
Shes recently been the only woman Duggar to start her own business, I hope she can keep that up because she seems like she enjoys it, and it's amazing to see an independent Duggar. I really hope for the best for her
Her Name is Jana
You can even see it in her face, when you watch the series.
I’m so happy she’s away from them
I sense a subtle passive rebellion in her...like "if all I can do to resist is just not get married then that's what I'm gonna do"
Knowing what we know now, watching JB talk to Josh about sex just makes me want to crawl out of my skin.
i know!!! it’s awful because both of them *know* and yet, they’re still acting in this little scene for the cameras. its disgusting
That Brazzers logo and the to catch a predator clip has me in tears every single time I watch this video 😆😂 cousin Amy seems a little bit flirty in the family and Josh does not seem to have a problem with her being a cousin, obviously, after what he did to his little sisters. But he is obviously trying to flirt back and that whole scene makes me uncomfortable everytime I see it lol
Serial breeding and child neglect should be prosecuted, not celebrated.
Isn't it funny how they want the state to get involved when it comes to abortion but not rampant, irresponsible reproduction.
“Serial breeding” is such a great way to put it.
As long as people keep getting compensated for giving birth to litters of children, rampant breeding is encouraged.
@@reynardfox962 truly I think tax cuts for having kids are wonderful, but that needs to stop after like the sixth or seventh kid…
Exactly
I shouldn’t laugh, but the appalled faces of the young kids when the Scottish man said he didn’t have a faith background nearly killed me. It’s a shame that they’re indoctrinated from such a young age to be so intolerant of other’s beliefs
i laughed too..😅😅😅 Completely stunned 😅😅😅😅
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How do you equate that from their shocked faces? Kids are intolerant and indoctrinated because they are shocked? They’re KIDS. Most likely first time being exposed to this, there is always a starting point.
@@BobBob-pr4eh They are intolerant and indoctrinated because of what their parents have taught them. My statement is not based solely on that clip. A lot of the Duggar kids are now full adults and have gone on to show blatant discrimination against other religions, have made homophobic statements, and have brushed sexual assault of children under the rug. A few of these examples are included in the video if you watch it all the way through.
You totally should laugh! I did! Only thing I could think of, what must be going through their minds: "computer says no"
What makes me sad is it sounded like Michelle had a very normal life until she met Jim Bob and he brainwashed her into his cult. Now after all those babies her body is gonna give out on her any day now
They also had the girls say they didn’t understand what was happening to them. Good God in heaven knows when I was molested at 4, I knew it was wrong!
I’m so sorry that happened to you ❤
Michelle reserves the honor of being every child’s first buddy.
Parent. It’s called being a parent. These people are dweebs.
That bothered me, because it read as excluding the father from actually being a parent.
My dad kept me going as he played the parts of both parents, and we both have beef with the expectation that men only play a distant role in child-raising.
@Faith Eberflus she actually only nursed them for about six months so she could get her full fertility back. All about pumping as many kids out as possible
Dweebs 😭
Totally an abuse to their older children, who didn't ask to be born or anyone of their children to be born, they know more about raising children than their mother does, their older children have lost their youth
Buddy system AKA “kids raising kids because their parents are selfish assholes.”
It’s weird that all the boys girlfriends look just like the sisters
Did you expect them to not also be racist or something? of course they only date white girls
I agree, I literally thought Josh's wife was his sister in a few clips I was very confused.
zoot boot they could date white girls that don’t look like their sisters...
It worked out well for the Lannisters.....kind of
@@griffenerica the problem with that is that there are too many sisters! The options are slim as is cause who the hell would want to deal with even a fraction of that degrading bullshit
I kinda think Michelle is using the pill causing her miscarriage as a crutch. Often times in a miscarriage a woman will blame herself for it (though it’s not her fault) and I think Michelle is blaming the pill so she doesn’t have to face those feelings.
I’ve always been kinda surprised they are “allowed” to wear so much makeup.
I can’t stand listening to men talk about how women’s bodies work, and what they should and shouldn’t do with their OWN bodies.
Same its messed up
My wife has rightfully told me to put a sock in it many time. 😦😭🤣🤣
It should be against the law unless they're a medical doctor. I'm serious. I want them jailed. Big mouthed lunatics.
@@dynodish I think they can share their opinions on the subject and if they stated their opinions respectfully and with knowledge to back it up. There has to be a middle road here. Also with that extreme it would have to go both ways women would have to stop talking about men's bodies. Also I know we as a part of the female gender when it comes to pregnancies carry most of the the load but it does take two to tango to they should have at least a tad bit of room to share. But yeah the Duggars are crazy don't bully me..
@@hlabhlabhlab Not "most of the load," literally the whole entire load.
JB talking to Josh as if he’s never had any sexual contact knowing what he did is honestly disturbing.
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Eeewww🤢
I could not watch it. It creeped me out.
Oh yuck, I had never considered that! Disturbing to say the least!
Well most parents never talk to their kids about it or anything related to it, a lot of adult men still to this day do not seem to beware of the fact that just because they are ready to have sex doesn't mean the woman is as the woman usually needs more time etc.
@@eliciaeldridge3452 Actually no, most parents talk about it. And there is no such thing as women needing more time than men. People can have completely different sexual drives, and it has no relation to what genital you have.
That interview the parents had about josh just screams "boys will be boys"
Way too may "Christian" families think "boys will be boys".
I dont get why she calls her kids, her kids. She didn't raise them. She pawns every kid off to the other one to raise. Its so fucked. If you cannot raise all of your kids by yourself, do not have them. It is not the child's responsibility to raise your kids.
Michelle is like the average person who plays the sims.
Makes a baby, gets bored of it and makes another one, and another one
Oh so true!!
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I could never do too many kids on sims 3 without getting so annoyed sometimes, I'd just turn on the cheat where their needs are met and locked 💀😂
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I felt so uncomfortable as that CHILD talked about gun laws
One of the many things I find sad and distressing about how it must be for the younger Duggar kids growing up, is that they live in this giant compound that basically doubles as both their private living space and their reality TV set. No private spaces, no private attention from parents. Life must feel like work for them from the very early years on.
Why do they have a book that teaches what to do if you get sexually assaulted by a family member INSTEAD of a book that teaches to not sexually assault anybody.
And no doubt there's harmful information in the "what to do if" book
That part!
@Meghan ur 100% right
I also don't like the implication that sexual assault by a family member is something they think will happen to the extent of having a "what to do" instead of a generic "when people touch you in ways you don't like." Like they've ASSUMED incest!
Because predators won't fuckin' listen unfortunately
POV: you are here rewatching this after Josh being arrested by the FBI.
😂😂😂 yup
Guilty🙈 just like Josh
@@nicolewilson6548 OOF
Yep!! 😂
Me!
Regarding Josh - it got so much worst. Not
only are women not safe around him, children also aren’t save around him either.
The chemistry Josh has with his cousin. 💀
i just KNOW that prayer closet was used for more than prayer
That's what I thought too. So scary
Amen
Brie Rainone how do you know that? Do you live with them? Maybe it was used for more than prayer 🙏 like studying or homework
Kelly McFalls ya because if my entire life is centered around the Lord and worshiping him I’d build a mansion and only dedicate 1 windowless coat closet with a folding chair for 22 people to use.............My guess is that’s a time out closet where they would place kids who disobeyed. That’s a solitary confinement space. Watch Michelle’s body language and facial expressions when talking about it.
Yes like...I'm really getting some Carrie vibes...like...go into the closet and prayyyy...ugh
“Michelle reserves the privilege of being each of the children’s first buddy” Omg they’re HER kids that’s such a bizarre way to phrase it.
And she for real said she's their buddy until they're weaned.. like a fucking puppy. She's nuts
@@JoAnnaTaco that’s what I thought! All I heard was “Michelle raises her kids till they stop breastfeeding then it’s up to one of her young daughters to take over from there.”
It honestly sounds like a downline in a factory. She bonds with the "first buddy" and then passes it off.
I think it's fine if you're explaining to your 4 year old why the baby is mommy's buddy, not them. But then it gets **off** when you're presenting it to a more mature audience.
@@junkmalme yeah! That completely makes sense. The phrasing when it’s presented to mainly adults watching the show is really weird.
My grandmother was Southern Baptist and even though she wasn't part of the IBLP she had a lot of similar beliefs as them. While trying to heal I was so angry at her because I felt so dehumanized by her beliefs, but it took me a while to understand how much of it came from her religious beliefs and not just because she was a narcissist. The worst thing is that these beliefs are often attractive to those who have a high need to have power and control over other people. It's disgusting.
These people are obsessed with sex. It is bordering on perverted.
The fact that they met Dolly Parton, a known liberal person, just cracks me up. Like Dolly is a queen living her best life, not being problematic, and then the Duggar family is like...not that.
Dolly probably saw their show and laughed at them
if i’m not wrong, i remember hearing about how dolly grew up in this kind of enviroment with a huge family. obviously different circumstances but they also had a buddy system and dolly’s “buddy” died :( just interesting to think about
Dolly is nothing if not kind to *all*. We as a culture don't deserve her.
@@AD-ov5rt we really don’t
You know they can still have different views and still meet them , ffs just because someone has different views than others we can still meet them , talk to them ...
“When Josh was a teenager, he made some very bad mistakes”
um excuse me since when is sexual assault a mistake? Forgetting your phone somewhere is a mistake. You had no intention of leaving your phone, right? Josh fully intended on doing what he did, he didn’t do it by accident. Disgusting excuses.
I think having a child that would do that, it’s extremely heartbreaking. After the initial shock, the parents need a way of explaining it to the world without making it sound as horrible as it is. After all, the parents will love the child no matter what. They will never trust him the same though.
Megan Kelley asked the real questions, too. "How could you unfairly in their view compare transgender people to child molesters- suggest they are child molesters- knowing what you know about Josh?"
Oops, just kept watching. The mom continues to hate transgener people and the dad misquotes Kelley and clarifies that Josh isn't a "pedophile" because he was 14.... Still did it though, and it's still child molestation
@@enthusiast2943 They’re just a stupid troll 🙄
Yeah, they just said that is because of their crazy a** parents
The duggar parents are genuinely evil. I hope all their children end up a somewhat happy and independent life at some point, away from all this,
Can you imagine if a Jewish person, a Buddhist person, a pagan person etc. went up to someone and started trying to convince them that they were going to die if you didn't believe in their faith
Michelle Duggar: i got pregnant on the pill
Josh Duggar: the pill causes abortion
?????
Michelle miscarried the baby, so they believe "the pill" aborts babies.
Those people believe that preventing a fertilized egg from implementing is abortion. The life from conception bs.
@@giabarrone7422 but she also got pregnant with her first child while on the pill.
@@tily5939 Correct. That is what I am talking about.
They have absolutely no idea how the pill works. But to be fair, a lot of people don't either.
That Scottish man was in pure pain talking to Jim bob. You can see it in his eyes
Yes it is literally painful to talk to someone that ignorant
@Firstname Lastbame ummm what? 💀💀
Probably went and took a longggggg drag off a cigarette after that encounter 🚬 I know I would 😂😂
I understand his discomfort and deer-in-the-headlights feeling when talking to folks like the Duggars, I really do, but it frustrates me when atheists are so reluctant to talk about theism when someone else brings it up. The hesitancy comes across as embarrassment at being an atheist, which only encourages them to ask other rude questions. 😒
When someone asks you if you believe in a god, be as proud as they are!! Laugh like a hyena and ask them derisively "Do ~you~?! Rolling your eyes like your tryna get the winning split is pretty much guaranteed to earn you a horrified gasp.
And no, I no longer feel bad about excoriating someone's beliefs in front of their children. They were comfortable enough to think their kids should hear the conversation. The kids deserve to hear other points of view, and maybe all of them will learn not to annoy random strangers with asinine questions.
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Not only the conversation but the camera on him too must have been so cringey 😬
When Michelle refers to her babies as “it”
Carrie’s mom had a prayer closet for her too 🫠
Terrifying.
As soon as I saw the prayer closet, I immediately thought of Carrie!
Yeah Hollywood has it out for Christians. You never see them make jews or Muslims out to be creepy or evil in their movies. Something to think about.
these girls are forced to be breeders and housewife’s for their entire lives.
Terrible :(
I guess they enjoy being entered.
@@bernardbenson4555 bro what?
@@bernardbenson4555 What the hell
He really had the audacity to cheat on her after she stayed with him after he sang like that in her face on their wedding day
I had to skip ahead on that part lmaooo
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Lol you’re so funny 💀
The part where she announces their 18th child, you can see how uncomfortable and unhappy everyone except Michelle and Jim Bob are
I’ve never been able to finish this video, but today I was able to watch about 5 minutes in. Maybe one day I’ll be able to finish the entire thing. This family and their fundamental beliefs were a huge part of my upbringing, and my mom really bought into the quiverful movement’s beliefs and ideals. I’ve suffered a lot of trauma, confusion, and hurt from realizing how much cult ideology we were brought up with, and even seeing the video pop up on my recommendations has triggered me. That being said, I am so glad people are diving in and discussing these harmful tactics and beliefs. I truly believe that raising awareness and uncovering the secrets these kinds of people and communities hide is crucial in helping those who have suffered from them and stopping more people from being hurt.