Thank you so much for the beautiful video! One of the reasons actually, I removed it plus collecting water and coffee residuals underneath it, is health reasons, don’t convince me that all of this repeated hot water, contacting a plastic whatever the plastic grader is, will not harm you or might cause cancer on the long term. do one or two dummy shots before you start in the morning everything should be perfectly hot. Thank you.
I think there is a very significant and important reason to remove it as well! Water and coffee can get trapped under the plastic disc!! That’s a major design flaw on Breville’s part. I just got my machine and was wondering what the point of the plastic was. I found this video immediately and decided to take it out. Found grossness already under it! Glad for your video 😃
Thanks for this video! I removed the plastic disk from my portafilter and I think it's improved things for a number of reasons, not necessarily related to the quality of the espresso. I usually warm my machine up properly, so the benefit you suspect the disk provides was redundant on me anyway. It has had an unexpected improvement in a couple of other areas that used to frustrate me about this machine. 1. Always wondered why the weight of the grind would be be inconsistent, even though the grind setting is the same. It turns out the variable weight was not because of the grind volume, but because trapped water under the plastic disk was affecting the weight of the portafilter. Problem solved there! 2. After washing and drying my portafilter, when carrying it back to the machine it would almost always keep dripping water (typically on the floor) which it does no longer. Another problem solved! There is also the additional benefit of knowing my portafilter can be properly cleaned. When I removed the disk, there was a year worth of coffee scum build-up which must have been tainting the output somewhat.
Don't forget to clean the group head screen. Also, I have never had the plastic piece out of the Breville portafilter but I make sure to rinse my portafilter good with hot water and sometimes remove the spout to make sure to clean the threads. That said, I am going to buy a 54mm bottomless portafilter so I can make sure my shots aren't channeling. Thus the plastic bottom in the Breville portafilter will be one less variable to concern me.
Yes I think you're right. I'm going to relive it next time. I noticed a weight discrepancy I think. Maybe it was trapped water. I usually purge in between shots tho. Right now I'm wondering why I'm getting a 3 to 1. Like 16g coffee dose in and 50g dose out
@@JD-fx1np I gave up on the automatic water flow meter. It's very unreliable on my machine. Get yourself some of the Amazon cheapy scales and then you can control the water output precisely by stopping the flow when it's at the correct weight.
Thank You Hoon! I have learned so much watching many of your videos. I have now learned and perfected how to dial in and really take it up a notch and enjoy my espresso . You are a spokesman for the BBE. Glad to hear that you and your family have recovered. I am always learning by watching your videos.
Check this out about the Rancilio Silvia "Do you really have to wait 45 minutes in the morning before you draw the first shot or is there a work-around? BEST ANSWER: Actually yes more wait time is welcome. The wait time is mainly due to the thermal mass of brass this machine has. The boiler and group head is made of brass, and they get up to temp in around 30 minutes, the extra 15 is to get the brass portafilter and basket up to temp as well. Why? to simply make use of the brass! Ask yourself why did they use brass, and why higher end machines use brass and top end use copper? why not Aluminum or stainless? Simply because brass retains heat more than other types of metal, and the best is copper (which most HX machines do use). which means when you pull a shot the temp of water running from boiler to grouphead to portafilter should remain consistent till it reaches the grounds and out of the portafilter. Temp stability is vital to ensure proper extraction, cause you might have water in the boiler at right temp but until it reaches the grounds, if not brass/copper temp might drop dramatically. Wait time is to make sure all the parts are at the same temperature and so water will hit grounds and come out at the correct temp which will make your espresso taste far better. " BTW, the portafilter has no plastic insert.
interesting, wanted to remove from my sister’s Express INFO Breville 58mm portofilter Bodum double wall Pre-heat cup Set temp 204°F (because of medium roast) Shot temp 163°F
Thanks! I didn't know it was possible to remove the disc. After trying my new Barista Express I could hear water under the plastic disc and it wouldn't go away. It kept water under the disc and kept it there until the next brew.
Awesome video my friend!! I did not know the plastic thing in the portafilter was removable. I will try it to see if it makes any difference. Have an awesome weekend!!😀😀😀
From a manufacturing stand point, adding the black plastic disc in the Porta filter increases the cost, and assembly complexity so there must be a very good reason to have it there, and for so long. I would not remove it though. Breville would be first to remove the disc and save millions of dollars.
Yeah I just think 90% of the users don't even think of heating up the machine proberly. Without that plastic piece there would be a massive amount of complaints about cold espresso out of that machine. For us "enthusiast" users we can take it out and enjoy a full metal portafilter.
You are 100% correct Bic. Like Hoon said in the vido, if you don't warm up your machine having that disc there helps the cup temperature. In these domestic level machines, probably 90% of people do not have time for a 30min. warm up. It's there for a very good reason for the vast majority of consumers.
knipsi22 this is exactly was going to be my reply. Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets).
Hi Hoon, i took out the plastic piece in my portafilter a few days after I bought my Breville Barista express. I flush my portafilter after i heated up my machine and it still retain the heat. I think the plastic piece is just to assist with the flow during extraction. Just my thinking.
Yeah I was thinking that too. If you take out the basket and watch water go through the plastic hole you'll see it make a nice vortex. It's got walls around the hole that allow this. I think it's mostly to make the shot pull go on either side of the portafilter. That way it doesn't depend on your pull quality and you can expect to get the same amount on either side of the filter and split a double shot evenly between two shot glasses.
I commented the below comment on a comment but thought it’d be helpful to write it separately: Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets). So for me, I removed it.
I don't know why it would be there for splashing? Bottomless portafilters don't use a plastic filter. I think it slows the flow of the pull for those who don't dose and tamp correctly. It's more a crutch than anything. How many coffee shops you see use a spout portafilter?
Another great video, thanks! And thanks for asking my crazy questions about opening the Good Bro’s bags and the valve! I’m impressed that you took the time to respond!
Finally got my Breville Touch calibrated after half a bag of beans haha. One of the problems I had was me tamping way too hard. Getting espresso to taste not bitter or sour was quite a challenge. I would never buy another Keurig pod again.
Hi Hoon, what was the name of the coffee machine that you mentioned you would probably buy at this time if you were in the market for a new machine? Thanks
Like your videos. Thank you. However, I don’t understand why you are always using the double cup option. I thought that the double button is for two cups.
Hi, Heat and plastic don't go together. It will leech in your shot and have bad health effects. Just do a little research on it, and you will see. So no plastic for me.
Don't take this as negative, but I feel like changing the tamp pressure negates any change the plastic may have made. When testing things it's best to only change one thing at a time so you know what is causing the difference
Someone asked what you could do to “slow down the shot”. You answered correctly; two things. Change the grind and/or the amount of coffee in the portafilter. But another option is to change the Program setting to suite your tastes.
@@HoonsCoffee no, I'm using the same one you are holding on the video but my machine is the Breville Bambino Plus. I bought it for esthetics (it's prettier than what the machine comes with but they told me it was compatible, same 54mm) I used it with the 2 cup pressurized basket 54mm. When I make my coffee with the other portafilter (the one the machine comes with) everything is ok.
Oh I don't think so. I bought non precision IMS 54mm and the rim is to wide. They would fit if you'd cut away part of the rim though. I just don't no how to do that correctly
I really don't understand why IMS or VST don't make precision baskets for the 54mm market. Between Breville/Sage and Solis (Barista Perfetta Plus) there must a market there to make it worthwhile.
@@sjorlando7282 Thats what they say but when I use my Breville Barista Express (BE) and the 54mm I easily get a perfect pure honey pour. Not so with the 58mm in my Brevlile double boiler. I pack it tight, get the perfect pressure but half of the pour is black then comes the honey. The cheaper BE with the 54m gives me pure honey all the time. The 58mm seems to be a lot more stubborn and fussy and does not give the honey pour so easily.
I hate to say this, I think you are spreading irresponsible advice on removing the plastic temperature insulator as an option. The insulator was clearly explained in the user manual. If you haven't read it, I advice that you re-read it over and over again. Judging by the way you explain things, I know you are just a novice "barista" wanna be. As far as measuring the brewed coffee temperature, you could only measure it deep inside the portafilter or below the group head with a thermocouple not in different cups after a few seconds. Temperature of 140-150 degrees F is quite the norm and more comfortable to drink for most coffee drinkers. Also the espresso pressure should be as close as possible to 9 bars plus or minus 1-2 bars. Sorry to say it like it is.
Thank you so much for the beautiful video! One of the reasons actually, I removed it plus collecting water and coffee residuals underneath it, is health reasons, don’t convince me that all of this repeated hot water, contacting a plastic whatever the plastic grader is, will not harm you or might cause cancer on the long term. do one or two dummy shots before you start in the morning everything should be perfectly hot. Thank you.
I think there is a very significant and important reason to remove it as well! Water and coffee can get trapped under the plastic disc!! That’s a major design flaw on Breville’s part. I just got my machine and was wondering what the point of the plastic was. I found this video immediately and decided to take it out. Found grossness already under it! Glad for your video 😃
Same here. Just got mine today and wondered what the purpose was. I took mine out also.
@@ryansmurda1552 congrats on the new machine!! It’s been such a fun, coffee filled, year for me since I got mine! Enjoy!
Thanks for this video! I removed the plastic disk from my portafilter and I think it's improved things for a number of reasons, not necessarily related to the quality of the espresso. I usually warm my machine up properly, so the benefit you suspect the disk provides was redundant on me anyway. It has had an unexpected improvement in a couple of other areas that used to frustrate me about this machine.
1. Always wondered why the weight of the grind would be be inconsistent, even though the grind setting is the same. It turns out the variable weight was not because of the grind volume, but because trapped water under the plastic disk was affecting the weight of the portafilter. Problem solved there!
2. After washing and drying my portafilter, when carrying it back to the machine it would almost always keep dripping water (typically on the floor) which it does no longer. Another problem solved!
There is also the additional benefit of knowing my portafilter can be properly cleaned. When I removed the disk, there was a year worth of coffee scum build-up which must have been tainting the output somewhat.
Great tips!
Don't forget to clean the group head screen. Also, I have never had the plastic piece out of the Breville portafilter but I make sure to rinse my portafilter good with hot water and sometimes remove the spout to make sure to clean the threads. That said, I am going to buy a 54mm bottomless portafilter so I can make sure my shots aren't channeling. Thus the plastic bottom in the Breville portafilter will be one less variable to concern me.
@@ggivensjr I just ordered a bottomless, 54mm
Yes I think you're right. I'm going to relive it next time. I noticed a weight discrepancy I think. Maybe it was trapped water. I usually purge in between shots tho. Right now I'm wondering why I'm getting a 3 to 1.
Like 16g coffee dose in and 50g dose out
@@JD-fx1np I gave up on the automatic water flow meter. It's very unreliable on my machine. Get yourself some of the Amazon cheapy scales and then you can control the water output precisely by stopping the flow when it's at the correct weight.
Thank You Hoon! I have learned so much watching many of your videos. I have now learned and perfected how to dial in and really take it up a notch and enjoy my espresso . You are a spokesman for the BBE. Glad to hear that you and your family have recovered. I am always learning by watching your videos.
Glad to help
Yeah it’s out! Look forward to the difference it’ll make for tomorrow’s coffee! Thx for your help!
Great video about that plastic thing...I always wondered about it!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi! Great videos thanks for sharing.
At what setting do you set de grinder?
Check this out about the Rancilio Silvia "Do you really have to wait 45 minutes in the morning before you draw the first shot or is there a work-around?
BEST ANSWER: Actually yes more wait time is welcome. The wait time is mainly due to the thermal mass of brass this machine has. The boiler and group head is made of brass, and they get up to temp in around 30 minutes, the extra 15 is to get the brass portafilter and basket up to temp as well.
Why? to simply make use of the brass! Ask yourself why did they use brass, and why higher end machines use brass and top end use copper? why not Aluminum or stainless? Simply because brass retains heat more than other types of metal, and the best is copper (which most HX machines do use). which means when you pull a shot the temp of water running from boiler to grouphead to portafilter should remain consistent till it reaches the grounds and out of the portafilter. Temp stability is vital to ensure proper extraction, cause you might have water in the boiler at right temp but until it reaches the grounds, if not brass/copper temp might drop dramatically.
Wait time is to make sure all the parts are at the same temperature and so water will hit grounds and come out at the correct temp which will make your espresso taste far better.
"
BTW, the portafilter has no plastic insert.
Great information George.
Thank you, happy Friday!
Same to you!
Hello Mr.Hoon sir I want to ask you after this experiment are you gonna continue using the plastic thing or not.
I'm going to try leave it out for a while.
Hi Hoon great vid, I'm going to try taking the plastic out of mine. I time my shots but am always unsure when to start timing with pre infusion.
interesting, wanted to remove from my sister’s Express
INFO
Breville 58mm portofilter
Bodum double wall
Pre-heat cup
Set temp 204°F (because of medium roast)
Shot temp 163°F
I am having trouble fitting the portafilter into the gasket - it won't turn after slotting in? Could you perhaps explain what has happened?
Overfilled basket?
You are awesome man, I like everything you present
I thought it was for the pressurized filters so it wouldn’t splatter when it comes out but you may be right
Thanks! I didn't know it was possible to remove the disc. After trying my new Barista Express I could hear water under the plastic disc and it wouldn't go away. It kept water under the disc and kept it there until the next brew.
Awesome video my friend!! I did not know the plastic thing in the portafilter was removable. I will try it to see if it makes any difference. Have an awesome weekend!!😀😀😀
Glad I could help!
Can you share the link for the scale?
From a manufacturing stand point, adding the black plastic disc in the Porta filter increases the cost, and assembly complexity so there must be a very good reason to have it there, and for so long. I would not remove it though. Breville would be first to remove the disc and save millions of dollars.
Great point!
Yeah I just think 90% of the users don't even think of heating up the machine proberly. Without that plastic piece there would be a massive amount of complaints about cold espresso out of that machine. For us "enthusiast" users we can take it out and enjoy a full metal portafilter.
You are 100% correct Bic. Like Hoon said in the vido, if you don't warm up your machine having that disc there helps the cup temperature. In these domestic level machines, probably 90% of people do not have time for a 30min. warm up. It's there for a very good reason for the vast majority of consumers.
knipsi22 this is exactly was going to be my reply.
Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets).
Hi Hoon, i took out the plastic piece in my portafilter a few days after I bought my Breville Barista express. I flush my portafilter after i heated up my machine and it still retain the heat. I think the plastic piece is just to assist with the flow during extraction. Just my thinking.
Yeah I was thinking that too. If you take out the basket and watch water go through the plastic hole you'll see it make a nice vortex. It's got walls around the hole that allow this. I think it's mostly to make the shot pull go on either side of the portafilter. That way it doesn't depend on your pull quality and you can expect to get the same amount on either side of the filter and split a double shot evenly between two shot glasses.
How many gram basket is the basket for the breville?
I commented the below comment on a comment but thought it’d be helpful to write it separately:
Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets).
So for me, I removed it.
Great tips!
I don't know why it would be there for splashing? Bottomless portafilters don't use a plastic filter. I think it slows the flow of the pull for those who don't dose and tamp correctly. It's more a crutch than anything. How many coffee shops you see use a spout portafilter?
How do you remove the basket without using any tools? I’m having trouble removing it
I know what you mean. Message from Instagram. I can make a short video for you.
Is there upgrade from this original porta filter cups to better ones, my single cup pressurizes keep choking and everything is cleaned…
Alan H
Another great video, thanks! And thanks for asking my crazy questions about opening the Good Bro’s bags and the valve! I’m impressed that you took the time to respond!
Glad to help!
Filtr Basket is stuck and does not come out.. Can you please suggest how to take it out
Use the corner of another basket to lever it out
Finally got my Breville Touch calibrated after half a bag of beans haha. One of the problems I had was me tamping way too hard. Getting espresso to taste not bitter or sour was quite a challenge. I would never buy another Keurig pod again.
Great tip!
Did you push and hold the double shot button for manual mode?
It was auto but I stopped at 35g
Oh ok thank you
Hi Hoon, what was the name of the coffee machine that you mentioned you would probably buy at this time if you were in the market for a new machine? Thanks
You mean Rocket espresso machine?
what do you call about that black plastic thing in that porta filter? Is there any store that sells a spare in case that plastic one is lost?
I took mine off from the portafilter.
is it okay to removed it? i notice that the flow of the espresso is not good and it wont stop unless you manually press the machine.
Like your videos. Thank you.
However, I don’t understand why you are always using the double cup option. I thought that the double button is for two cups.
Double means double shot espresso. because, most people use double instead of single shot.
Is it ok if the plastic puece moves a little?
That's not a problem.
If you change the dosing, you have to change the grinder setting to keep dial in.
He do u know how to make the machine brew slower, this is the only issue I have
Finer grind or harder tamp. Try that
I like this video!
Hi, Heat and plastic don't go together. It will leech in your shot and have bad health effects. Just do a little research on it, and you will see. So no plastic for me.
Ohh good point hoon.. thanks
Why is my portafilter so hard to lock in. Feels like it’s always a struggle
Don't take this as negative, but I feel like changing the tamp pressure negates any change the plastic may have made. When testing things it's best to only change one thing at a time so you know what is causing the difference
he changes it everytime in every video lmao. i noticed this shit too
Someone asked what you could do to “slow down the shot”. You answered correctly; two things. Change the grind and/or the amount of coffee in the portafilter. But another option is to change the Program setting to suite your tastes.
I have that same 54mm portafilter and my coffee is splattering all over. What can be causing that? I'm using 2 cup pressurized filter*
Are you using the bottomless portafilter?
@@HoonsCoffee no, I'm using the same one you are holding on the video but my machine is the Breville Bambino Plus. I bought it for esthetics (it's prettier than what the machine comes with but they told me it was compatible, same 54mm) I used it with the 2 cup pressurized basket 54mm. When I make my coffee with the other portafilter (the one the machine comes with) everything is ok.
Oh dear, I’m babysitting the grand dogs.
Not getting pressure on their Breville express.
I hope I didn’t break it.
Do IMS precision 54mm basket fit in bottomless portafilter 54mm?
I can't find the 54mm on the IMS website. If you have the link can you email it to me?
Oh I don't think so. I bought non precision IMS 54mm and the rim is to wide. They would fit if you'd cut away part of the rim though. I just don't no how to do that correctly
I really don't understand why IMS or VST don't make precision baskets for the 54mm market. Between Breville/Sage and Solis (Barista Perfetta Plus) there must a market there to make it worthwhile.
@@HoonsCoffee www.imsfiltri.com/filters/competition/ I'm not quite sure what they mean by "Tamper", but they have 53 and 54 tamper sizes listed.
hello, I found IMS competition filter and shower, do you want to know where? follow me, and write me in pvt. An Italian company produces it.
Imagine doing all this, and then 50 years later, thinking wow, we accomplished, a lot.
I did not even knew I could take that black plastic out.....
Is there 54mm porterfilter for the breville dual boiler? I dont like the 58mm it comes with...
58 is better.
@@sjorlando7282 Thats what they say but when I use my Breville Barista Express (BE) and the 54mm I easily get a perfect pure honey pour. Not so with the 58mm in my Brevlile double boiler. I pack it tight, get the perfect pressure but half of the pour is black then comes the honey. The cheaper BE with the 54m gives me pure honey all the time. The 58mm seems to be a lot more stubborn and fussy and does not give the honey pour so easily.
I think my grinder is off I got a new burr
I’ve been using 20grams pre shot
Just get a bottomless portafilter.
I hate to say this, I think you are spreading irresponsible advice on removing the plastic temperature insulator as an option. The insulator was clearly explained in the user manual. If you haven't read it, I advice that you re-read it over and over again. Judging by the way you explain things, I know you are just a novice "barista" wanna be. As far as measuring the brewed coffee temperature, you could only measure it deep inside the portafilter or below the group head with a thermocouple not in different cups after a few seconds. Temperature of 140-150 degrees F is quite the norm and more comfortable to drink for most coffee drinkers. Also the espresso pressure should be as close as possible to 9 bars plus or minus 1-2 bars. Sorry to say it like it is.
Thank you for the information Ricardo.