@@crawdadlando4053No it wouldn't. If the mag gets fatter, the thickness of the magwell walls gets smaller, and the gun remains the same width. It's not rocket science.
It's a tough choice. I like the extra capacity of the Girsan and it appears to be cheaper. But the cost difference shrinks with the extra mag with the Walther. In all honesty, I'd have to see how they felt in my hand before choosing.
The Browning BDA was actually manufactured by Beretta and I have one in blue and a companion Beretta I belive it is a Model 81 in 32ACP I installed a spare BDA barrel in 380 in the Bretta and I can switch magazines back and forth between the 2 guns. I may have to get one of these Girsans as they have corrected the only complaint I have with the BDA, the slide mounted safety. I much prefer the frame mounted safety like on my Beretta.
Yeap , the main issue with the Walther is the safety catch on the slide , donot like that design , seen a friend & others activate the safety by mistake when racking the slide of Beretta 92F .Look mag cap is not that much of a issue for me , I would like to know how the recoil is between them , as one the Girsan is blowback & the Walther appears to be a locked/tilting barrel . I like the control layout more on the Girsan , would like Girsan to make a steel or alloy copy of Beretta M70 .22lr but double action , that would be a awesome pocket gun .
I purchased the Girsan MC14 G85 for $292 (before shipping, taxes, and FFL) yesterday (29 March 2024) after three days of price research (gun.deals). Regarding mags, this is from the EAA website: "The Girsan MC14G84 shares magazine compatibility with the traditional MC14 pistol, the newly announced Girsan MC14BDA, as well as similar 84 series (Beretta) magazines." I bought two 13 round Mec-Gar mags from GunMag Warehouse for $21.99 each before tax and shipping. No design theft by EAA/Girsan as was suggested in one of the comments. EAA obtains permission to produce versions under license from manufacturers and/or as patents expire (think Glock clones and SAR, IWI, Tanfoglio CZ clones) EAA and its suppliers/partners are free to use the original designs.
Thanks for the review! I went with the 2024 Tisas Fatih (a Beretta 84 clone) with factory walnut grips and two 13 rd. magazines for $299 on Black Friday. Have yet to shoot it.
For the size of the pistol and the target audience, it’s a win. It’s a single stack pistol for mag reduced states that having a slightly smaller pistol is needed. It’s like this, if I’m going to Idaho, I carry whatever large pistol I want. If I print, no one cares. WA, that’s a state you do not wanna print. How big is too much to print? The walther pd380 is almost the same size as the steyr m9a2. Width is no comparison at all. I can carry this easily with no print and a normal t shirt. The steyr on the other hand sticks out. For the walthers price, features, and size, it’s a home run. Need 12 rounds of 9mm maybe the FN reflex would be worth look good into for you. $99 more than the pd380. Me however, the thin of the walther and 3.7” barrel is its selling point. That and DA/SA with an easy to access safety. The main thing that sets the walther apart is the mag release. I love European paddle releases. Harder to accidentally hit the mag. I had a shield that I shaved the mag release down by millimeters cause it kept dropping mags in public. Same with extended Glock mag releases. If I have a used glock with an extended mag release, that goes sooner than the trashy sights. Walther pds sights are steel and adjustable. That’s a bonus for a $399 pistol.
i wish one of the major gun companys would make a pocket 380 like the lcp max 10 an 12 round mag capacity i was hoping sw would this year guess ill keep waiting lol
Neither. For some reason, neither of them could put a hammer drop safety on a DA/SA hammer fired handgun. 🤪 Even though it's been done for 85 years (and Walther was the first to do it!) It's like losing the recipe for ice cubes! These handguns are accidents waiting to happen and they won't have to wait long. NEITHER of them needs a safety at all....just a hammer drop feature. But if they insist on a safety on a DA/SA hammer fired semi-auto...make it a hammer drop type. Good grief! I would imagine the Girsan mags will work the Browning BDA and also the Beretta Model 85.
Hard choice as I like them both, but I'll agree with you and vote here for the Girsan MC14 BDA. I'll also agree that the Walther needs to have a higher capacity Magazine.
Hey there Fire Arm Guy, I have been trying to find a Girsan MC14 BDA and it is nowhere to be found, but in researching th UPC code it comes up to the same thing as the Girsan MC14G84, what do you think am I correct?
Front the Girsan site. The MC14G84 has an open-top slide design that echoes classic Beretta handguns. The rear sight is drift-adjustable, the front post is forged integral to the slide and the same three-dot system is employed. Both the MC14BDA and MC14G84 are available in either an all black (MSRP $360) or two-toned Cerakote finish (MSRP $381). For more information, visit eaacorp.com.
Given that I have both I feel I can provide my opinion. I was really disappointed with the Girsan and found it to be a not quite good copy of the 80x which shoots softer.
I got the Girsan MC14 BDA after seeing your first video on this, and I couldn't be happier. Great accuracy and reliability. I have not tried the Walther, mainly because I don't like it's looks, and there's no point in me trying something I wouldn't enjoy carrying. Walter PPK? Sure, but the PD380 is definitely not worthy of Mr. Bond, in terms of aesthetics.
I have the Walther and it is a quality gun and I will keep it. It's odd to not have a slide lock/ release and it should be higher capacity. If you are familiar with other guns operating systems it is probably not for you. Now I want the Girsan!
Thanks for the great, and not too lengthy, review. When all is said and done, the BDA is a lot prettier for 50 bucks less. Life is too short to shoot ugly pistols.😊
Not really the point here. But it's certainly true these days that you can get a modern compact 9 mm basically the same size as these, and probably at more or less the same price. And the ammo is way cheaper! Unless reduced recoil is a significant priority, seems like heavy, all-metal 380 pistols Like The BDA Are A Hard Sell if you're shopping strictly based on specs. 🧐
I am a Walther fan for sure, but that offering needs to be updated to today's demands as others have noted. Should be at least 12 rds. w/ 15 rd. available. Not sure what they were thinking with no slide stop. I really like the paddle mag release. I wish that was available on all Walther pew pews... HK offers button ad paddle... options are nice.
PK380 mags fit the PD380. Same mag, different follower. I have both in my pd380. Im not sure if it takes standard Glock sights or the smaller 42 sights. That’s the next pistol to get tritiums.
Walther PD380 as it has a decock lever. That said, the Girsan MC 14T is better than either for cripples as it has a tip up barrel for loading which also allows you to safety decock it with a round in the chamber despite not having a decock lever. If I could own any .380 for defensive use (I much prefer 9mm) it would be a Beretta 84FS Cheetah which has a 13 round mag and a frame mounted decock/safety lever. I also like that you can carry it hammer down with the safety engaged which also locks the slide. I also like how it looks and feels.
I've owned two Walthers. Both were horrible and unreliable. The first shots of the .22lr version had me trying to find parts that flew off. The 9mm was a constant stovepipe factory, no matter the brand or bullet weight. I got rid of both. I have five Girsans and all work reliably and were inexpensive to acquire.
Bought the tip up girsan 380. Awesome!
Dan, another great video buddy!👍
I appreciate that Scott
Going with the girsan due to capacity. If the ruger security 380 was in there? I like the looks of the girsan, reminds me of a high power.
I like the paddle mag release. Just wish it had more capacity. I currently have a ruger lite rack 380 (security).
It’s made for deeper concealment. Double stack would defeat the purpose.
@@crawdadlando4053No it wouldn't. If the mag gets fatter, the thickness of the magwell walls gets smaller, and the gun remains the same width. It's not rocket science.
As an owner of the original BDA AND a lover of Walther....I still go with the Girsan. (having shot neither of the guns you present here)
Thanks for the feedback and I wish I had a BDA to compare
I have a Walther, but the PK380 version and just bought the Girsan. So far I'm very impressed with the Girsan MC14 BDA.
It's a tough choice. I like the extra capacity of the Girsan and it appears to be cheaper. But the cost difference shrinks with the extra mag with the Walther. In all honesty, I'd have to see how they felt in my hand before choosing.
The Girsan is easier to shoot in my opinion
Girsan is definitely better in this format!
My thoughts exactly. Joe
Great review, Dan. Great option for those who want a softer shooting ccw gun. Cheers!
Much appreciated. Andy
How about a Walther CCP update review?
The Browning BDA was actually manufactured by Beretta and I have one in blue and a companion Beretta I belive it is a Model 81 in 32ACP I installed a spare BDA barrel in 380 in the Bretta and I can switch magazines back and forth between the 2 guns. I may have to get one of these Girsans as they have corrected the only complaint I have with the BDA, the slide mounted safety. I much prefer the frame mounted safety like on my Beretta.
I like that Girsan MC14 BDA
That Girsan is a good looking shooter.
I agree with that point
@@TheFirearmGuyis the girsan reliable
Exactly what I was thinking. A much prettier gun for 50 bucks less, which apparently shoots just as well. I'm sold! 😊
I like em both
Thanks for checking it out bro
Yeap , the main issue with the Walther is the safety catch on the slide , donot like that design , seen a friend & others activate the safety by mistake when racking the slide of Beretta 92F .Look mag cap is not that much of a issue for me , I would like to know how the recoil is between them , as one the Girsan is blowback & the Walther appears to be a locked/tilting barrel .
I like the control layout more on the Girsan , would like Girsan to make a steel or alloy copy of Beretta M70 .22lr but double action , that would be a awesome pocket gun .
I purchased the Girsan MC14 G85 for $292 (before shipping, taxes, and FFL) yesterday (29 March 2024) after three days of price research (gun.deals). Regarding mags, this is from the EAA website: "The Girsan MC14G84 shares magazine compatibility with the traditional MC14 pistol, the newly announced Girsan MC14BDA, as well as similar 84 series (Beretta) magazines." I bought two 13 round Mec-Gar mags from GunMag Warehouse for $21.99 each before tax and shipping. No design theft by EAA/Girsan as was suggested in one of the comments. EAA obtains permission to produce versions under license from manufacturers and/or as patents expire (think Glock clones and SAR, IWI, Tanfoglio CZ clones) EAA and its suppliers/partners are free to use the original designs.
I learned a lot from your comment David. Thanks
The Browning looks nice. 👍
Thanks, Paul
Thanks
Thanks for the review! I went with the 2024 Tisas Fatih (a Beretta 84 clone) with factory walnut grips and two 13 rd. magazines for $299 on Black Friday. Have yet to shoot it.
Great price man
Why do companies still Insist in Giving only one magazine with purchase?
Give the second one , charge a few dollars more. Not rocket science.
I know .. these companies saving pennies ruining their reputations
Nor do you mean here with that point
Bc they can charge $40 instead of a few dollars more.
@@timrobinson6573 You´ll buy it anyways... it will cost more surely
Girsan, for me
Great review yesterday brother
Wish Walther was a double stack.
Makes you wonder how Walther thinks they compete against double stacks
I hear you Chris and many people here agree
Exactly , they missed badly on that one !
For the size of the pistol and the target audience, it’s a win. It’s a single stack pistol for mag reduced states that having a slightly smaller pistol is needed. It’s like this, if I’m going to Idaho, I carry whatever large pistol I want. If I print, no one cares. WA, that’s a state you do not wanna print. How big is too much to print? The walther pd380 is almost the same size as the steyr m9a2. Width is no comparison at all. I can carry this easily with no print and a normal t shirt. The steyr on the other hand sticks out. For the walthers price, features, and size, it’s a home run. Need 12 rounds of 9mm maybe the FN reflex would be worth look good into for you. $99 more than the pd380. Me however, the thin of the walther and 3.7” barrel is its selling point. That and DA/SA with an easy to access safety. The main thing that sets the walther apart is the mag release. I love European paddle releases. Harder to accidentally hit the mag. I had a shield that I shaved the mag release down by millimeters cause it kept dropping mags in public. Same with extended Glock mag releases. If I have a used glock with an extended mag release, that goes sooner than the trashy sights. Walther pds sights are steel and adjustable. That’s a bonus for a $399 pistol.
@@crawdadlando4053 best example I have ever heard
I like the Girsan bda Dan , all your shot ping the steel.
Thanks Jet. I felt more confident with the girsan
Thanks, Dan. For the most part of Girsan, they seem to do a lot of copying of firearms.
I appreciate it. Bob, Yes, Girsan is doing a great job
Does the Girsan have a bit more felt recoil? It appears as though it does.
I like the walther
Dan, is the Girsan a blowback action like the BDA? Walther is tilting bbl. I assume ?
A single stack .380 with no slide release in 2024?
Walther is out of touch with the market.
Makes it not relevant. 😁
Thanks for the feedback
So you define what the market is? The PK380 is very popular and the PD380 is just a slightly upgraded PK380.
I would use the BDA I like Hammer fired metal gun
Exactly right James
i wish one of the major gun companys would make a pocket 380 like the lcp max 10 an 12 round mag capacity i was hoping sw would this year guess ill keep waiting lol
Neither. For some reason, neither of them could put a hammer drop safety on a DA/SA hammer fired handgun. 🤪
Even though it's been done for 85 years (and Walther was the first to do it!) It's like losing the recipe for ice cubes!
These handguns are accidents waiting to happen and they won't have to wait long.
NEITHER of them needs a safety at all....just a hammer drop feature. But if they insist on a safety on a DA/SA hammer fired semi-auto...make it a hammer drop type. Good grief!
I would imagine the Girsan mags will work the Browning BDA and also the Beretta Model 85.
Just bought a girsan , well made gun!
Hard choice as I like them both, but I'll agree with you and vote here for the Girsan MC14 BDA.
I'll also agree that the Walther needs to have a higher capacity Magazine.
Well said jwc
No slide stop on the Walther would be a deal breaker for me.
Makes me wonder why they even bothered.
Thanks for checking it out Max
I would go with Walther. Slimmer gun and easier to conceal. Interchangeable sights and an ambidextrous mag release and safety.
Much appreciated, Tammy
Hey there Fire Arm Guy, I have been trying to find a Girsan MC14 BDA and it is nowhere to be found, but in researching th UPC code it comes up to the same thing as the Girsan MC14G84, what do you think am I correct?
Front the Girsan site.
The MC14G84 has an open-top slide design that echoes classic Beretta handguns. The rear sight is drift-adjustable, the front post is forged integral to the slide and the same three-dot system is employed.
Both the MC14BDA and MC14G84 are available in either an all black (MSRP $360) or two-toned Cerakote finish (MSRP $381). For more information, visit eaacorp.com.
If I'm picking one, it's the Beretta 80X Cheetah
I haven't heard much positive about that gun, it's apparently very unpleasant to shoot
Yo Randy. Like the Girsan better. But both will do the trick
How is it to get extra magazines. I have the walther and 2 mags is alot better than one. I am sure everything is all on backorder, I know walther is
Are you enjoying the Walther PD380?
Girsan , metal and affordable , metal bits polymer always !! ✨️👌💯
Given that I have both I feel I can provide my opinion. I was really disappointed with the Girsan and found it to be a not quite good copy of the 80x which shoots softer.
I got the Girsan MC14 BDA after seeing your first video on this, and I couldn't be happier. Great accuracy and reliability. I have not tried the Walther, mainly because I don't like it's looks, and there's no point in me trying something I wouldn't enjoy carrying. Walter PPK? Sure, but the PD380 is definitely not worthy of Mr. Bond, in terms of aesthetics.
Hey Mark, I'm glad you picked up the Girsan it's a sweet shooting handgun no doubt
Why don’t makers of DA/SA hammer fired handguns include a decocker? Is it that much more to design & mfg?
I love walther but they missed the mark on this. Cant believe a firearm that size has a single stack magazine.
I would prefer double stack as well
The Beretta 80 X magazines will fit the 14T
That's good to know. Thanks for the info
I just bought the walther as a back up gun and basketball shorts carry.
I went with the Girsan MC 14 T. I have a bad shoulder, so knowing I don’t have to rack it is an important feature.
Glad it's working for you
Girsan BDA
The Browning BDA were basically Beretta 84 mags
I need to find out if those will work in the Girsan
The Browning BDA is just a Beretta 84 with a different slide design. I think they were even made by beretta for browning.
the sig p365-380 is nearly 6 oz. less than the pd380. Cannot find what the girsan weighs. I doubt it's 15 oz like the sig. Girsan's website sucks.
Not a fan of the Girsan, I bought the Walther PD 380, I like the grip and the sights and Walther has proven over the
years
with there reliability.
One mag only seems odd.
Most likely because of cost saving
BDA is 4oz heavier empty. Not much , but for a carry 380 , every oz counts. These are already a lot heavier than most 380s on the market.
Nice firearms.
Thanks, Dragon
I have the Walther and it is a quality gun and I will keep it. It's odd to not have a slide lock/ release and it should be higher capacity. If you are familiar with other guns operating systems it is probably not for you. Now I want the Girsan!
Thanks Frank
Double action.... Walther 🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾😎
Thanks for the great, and not too lengthy, review. When all is said and done, the BDA is a lot prettier for 50 bucks less. Life is too short to shoot ugly pistols.😊
👍Thx for the review. (Turkey, not for me) Appreciate ya though! 🇺🇸
Thanks, major
Still not crazy about .380 as a defensive rd.
Not really the point here. But it's certainly true these days that you can get a modern compact 9 mm basically the same size as these, and probably at more or less the same price. And the ammo is way cheaper! Unless reduced recoil is a significant priority, seems like heavy, all-metal 380 pistols Like The BDA Are A Hard Sell if you're shopping strictly based on specs. 🧐
I am a Walther fan for sure, but that offering needs to be updated to today's demands as others have noted. Should be at least 12 rds. w/ 15 rd. available. Not sure what they were thinking with no slide stop. I really like the paddle mag release. I wish that was available on all Walther pew pews... HK offers button ad paddle... options are nice.
No argument with your comment bro. I agree
Girsan
Thanks, Chris
PK380 mags fit the PD380. Same mag, different follower. I have both in my pd380. Im not sure if it takes standard Glock sights or the smaller 42 sights. That’s the next pistol to get tritiums.
Girsan ❤ looks better
Thanks for the feedback
No decocker for the G. So, no thanks.
Own several Walthers - don’t like look of this one…
The PD380 just seems to be missing a little bit of the Walther flare
This is a tough decision...Longer grips have become a thing...
I would take the Walther.
Thanks for letting me know Cam
Walther.
Thanks Wayne
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😊😊👍👍
Walther!
Thanks bud
👍👍Thanks Dan, Walther just because it’s Walther.
Thanks for checking it out Lance. Most people are going with the girsan
You got any 3D printed guns? 😏
Shhhhhhh
@@TheFirearmGuy 😂💀
😂😂😂😊
They're 2 great guns but the girsan is better for the money and performance wise ...fact..
Walther
Walther PD380 as it has a decock lever. That said, the Girsan MC 14T is better than either for cripples as it has a tip up barrel for loading which also allows you to safety decock it with a round in the chamber despite not having a decock lever. If I could own any .380 for defensive use (I much prefer 9mm) it would be a Beretta 84FS Cheetah which has a 13 round mag and a frame mounted decock/safety lever. I also like that you can carry it hammer down with the safety engaged which also locks the slide. I also like how it looks and feels.
Walther because girsan is just the hitpoint of design theft
Thanks for letting me know bro
The Walther mags look like the CCP mags, I like Walther so I would probably go with Walther
They're the PK380 mags
Thanks for letting me know bro
LOL..Cheaper gun..more shots on target .. I take that as a sign the Girsan is a better gun than theWalther..
I've owned two Walthers. Both were horrible and unreliable. The first shots of the .22lr version had me trying to find parts that flew off. The 9mm was a constant stovepipe factory, no matter the brand or bullet weight. I got rid of both. I have five Girsans and all work reliably and were inexpensive to acquire.
I wouldn't give up on Walther entirely. They really do make a nice PDP but it is a bummer
Single stack for the Walther is a fail. If it was staggered and no manual safety I'd buy one tomorrow. Should've been 15 or 16 round mag.
Many people here agree with you
Hell,no
Walther!
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