What's the difference between an MP 43/1 and an STG 44? With firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson

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  • Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
  • The Nazis pioneered the development of the assault rifle and the intermediate cartridge in the latter half of the Second World War. It led to a host of weapons under different designations with seemingly little (to nothing) to separate individual models. Jonathan Ferguson explains the difference between the MP 43/1 and the STG 44.
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  • @TheOldMan-75
    @TheOldMan-75 Год назад +527

    Hey, Jonathan. I hope this hasn't been done before (If so, I wasn't able to find it) but I'd be very interested in a video about the life cycle of a gun in the royal armouries. This would probably be a more elaborate video but I'd love to see what happens to a gun once it arrives at the museum, what makes you choose a specific gun for an exhibition and how it is maybe prepared beforehand etc.. Basically the whole process and inner-workings of the royal armouries in regards to guns. Anyway, love your content and happy new year :)

    • @robbmanes
      @robbmanes Год назад +41

      Seconded, I'd love the inside look on this, or even knowing what Jonathan's "typical day" looks like.

    • @wunderoff
      @wunderoff Год назад +14

      that would be awesome to see

    • @jamescameron6819
      @jamescameron6819 Год назад +9

      I think this is a fantastic idea

    • @richarddixon7276
      @richarddixon7276 Год назад +10

      That would be excellent and incredibly interesting , but would probably take several days to film & edit . But it would be right up My street .

    • @razor1uk610
      @razor1uk610 Год назад +1

      @The Old Man *_Forgotten Weapons_* channel has 3 to 5 or so videos on YT about the Sturmgewhrs, all together roughly an hour and a halves worth.

  • @Grasyl
    @Grasyl Год назад +146

    5:34 The lineage is even longer, the MKb42(h) was previously known as:
    sMP42 - schwere Maschinenpistole 42 / heavy sub-machinegun 42
    MP42 - Maschinenpistole 42 / just sub machinegun 42 (heavy was removed)
    MP42s - Maschinenpistole 42 schwer / sub machinegun 42 heavy (the heavy was re added but to the end)
    MK42 - Maschinenkarabiner 42 / machinecarbine short MK, until the Germans notices the MK was already in use for "maschinenkanone" (autocannon / lit. machinecannon)
    MKb.42 - Maschinenkarabiner 42 / machinecarbine (this time written MKb. to prevent confusion with MK)
    MKb.42(h) - the (h) was not added untill Walther joint the competition.
    MKb.42 H.S. - Heanel had planed to make another MKb. to prevent confusion the one from Hugo Schmeisser was labes H.S. (Haenel Schmeisser)

  • @Adrian-qk2fn
    @Adrian-qk2fn Год назад +9

    11.25 "This little sticky outy bit..."
    You've just got to love Jonathan's precise technical descriptions.

  • @iDEATH
    @iDEATH Год назад +41

    I'm a life long gun nerd and a social media denier, and I think these videos stand on their own just fine. Love the content you guys put up on this channel, don't you worry about that, just keep it coming!

    • @RonnocYad
      @RonnocYad Год назад +7

      Thanks for sharing on this very social and media focused platform!

    • @fyretnt
      @fyretnt Год назад

      @@RonnocYad i think he mean stuff like TikTok/Snapchat/instagram

  • @dominantasmr578
    @dominantasmr578 Год назад +11

    Honestly I think you're one of the best GunTubers out there. I'm obsessed with watching anything you touch.

    • @MediocreHexPeddler
      @MediocreHexPeddler Год назад +4

      I wouldn't call Jonathan a "guntuber." He works at the Royal Armouries; the RUclips channel is a side gig, and more persons from the Royal Armouries than just Jonathan have appeared on the channel. That said, I agree that he's one of the best in the business, such as it is, second perhaps only to Ian of Forgotten Weapons. Ian has been doing video presentations longer, and works more with auction companies and collections than museums, so he perhaps has fewer direct resources, but certainly more experience doing the actual presentation side of things.

    • @justsomehaatonpassingby4488
      @justsomehaatonpassingby4488 Год назад +2

      Don't forget the Gun Jesus from Forgotten weapons

    • @SvenElven
      @SvenElven 2 месяца назад

      @@justsomehaatonpassingby4488I personally think that Jonathan and Ian are in their own group among «guntubers». I appreciate the serious knowledge they bring without all of the flash, bang and ballistics gel of the other channels.

  • @KnifeChatswithTobias
    @KnifeChatswithTobias Год назад +35

    Interesting thoughts on how the STG 44 started become cruder as the war turned for Germany as well as the the introduction of genuine last ditch weapons. Reminds me of the reverse as you watch the The Sten go from a truly dreadfully finished Mk I and more prevalent Mk II to the Mk V that actually had places to put your hands and the luxury of mounting a useless bayonet!

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL Год назад

      Time is money.

    • @TheWirksworthGunroom
      @TheWirksworthGunroom Год назад

      In my research into the STEN, one of my first discoveries was that Mk.I and Mk.II STENs were being trialled together at the same time, before adoption of either. I have a HUGE amount of more research to do but this was a very surprising early find. This was from he Archive at the Royal Armouries, Leeds, courtesy of Jonathan and colleagues. Must find time to do more!

    • @kamata93
      @kamata93 Год назад

      Thats because it was designed with no thought for the user. They had to add these things.

    • @MrDwarfpitcher
      @MrDwarfpitcher Год назад +2

      there is a cold war simplified version of the Sten.
      It was then that the British realised that the Sten´s basics were the most basic it could go.

    • @kingleech16
      @kingleech16 Год назад +2

      What is this heresy!?! There is no such thing as a useless bayonet!!! Now I have to upload pictures of my incredibly clever and useful Stinger launcher with bayonet, or my bayonet equipped MATV, or the extremely deadly bayonet mount for my laptop!

  • @kepanoid
    @kepanoid Год назад +16

    Jonathan (and the whole team at The Royal Armouries), thank you again for the magnificent information you provide! Just one little suggestion, though. Is there any way you could get more light? I do appreciate the dark theme, but earlier, on footage filmed in the conference room, we were able to actually see the item(s) you presented.

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Год назад

      Good comment! This is something I have been meaning to comment on.

  • @penedrador
    @penedrador Год назад +68

    I am so happy we have you and Ian in this space. Deep, calm and thorough content about the guns, whereas most gun channels turned loud and fast = funny = views
    I like demo ranch and alike, but the deep knowledge you share is just smth else.

    • @superpeabody2658
      @superpeabody2658 Год назад +1

      What about forgotten weapons?

    • @Earthinet
      @Earthinet Год назад +4

      @@superpeabody2658 Ian is the guy in forgotten weapons (also known as Gun Jesus). He mentioned him in the first sentence.

    • @fuckinantipope5511
      @fuckinantipope5511 Год назад +15

      Also no politics from these two, especially american politics.
      For Jonathan it of course makes sense as he's from the UK but countless american gun channels use their platform to promote some sort of politics or make stupid jokes (like the typical one "hurr durr, liberals wanna take our guns).
      As a non-american that can be quite annoying, which made me stop watching countless channels. But Ian keeps it all out of his videos and that makes him even better than he already is

    • @Valsorayu
      @Valsorayu 11 месяцев назад

      @@fuckinantipope5511 Eh americans will be americans. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is purely to taste.

  • @afd19850
    @afd19850 Год назад +3

    Back once again its the Gamespot master! Jonathan with the STG behaviour!

  • @GeneralJackRipper
    @GeneralJackRipper Год назад +27

    I saw a picture of captured weapons in Iraq back in 2004, and aside from the AK variants and ubiquitous SVD, there was one lone STG at the end of the row.

    • @ManDuderGuy
      @ManDuderGuy Год назад +1

      Cant believe there's still enough of the ammo left to actually feed them.

    • @maShine
      @maShine Год назад +3

      There were alot STGs in the syrina conflict

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Год назад

      @@ManDuderGuy There's more than enough, not to mention reloading. If you're against the US you could probably have the Chinese run up a large batch for ya. Not to mention that the Russians were giving the north Vietnamese a metric shit-ton of these and the ammo to keep'em in the fight for some time.

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Год назад +1

      @@ManDuderGuy There's more than enough, not to mention reloading. If you're against the US you could probably have the Chinese run up a large batch for ya. Not to mention that the Russians were giving the north Vietnamese a metric shit-ton of these and the ammo to keep'em in the fight for some time.

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Год назад +1

      @ManDuderGuy Prvi Partisan used to make 7.92 kurtz till fairly recently. As Jonathan said Yugoslavia had ... "acquired" a substantial number of these rifles at the end of WWII. So they would have reason to seek out supplies like ammo and spares, for some years after that.

  • @MrJerrycampbell
    @MrJerrycampbell Год назад +5

    Apparently, PSA announced at the 2023 SHOT show, they were introducting a slightly modernized Stg 44 with fairly simple caliber conversion between 8mm Kurz, 5.56, 300 Blackout and 7.62x39. A version you can shoot a lot and get spare parts for.

    • @Deblanch57
      @Deblanch57 Год назад +1

      You mean you can now kit up a Sturmgehwer, same as you can an AR-15 ??? .....

  • @totensiebush
    @totensiebush Год назад +8

    I remember hearing somewhere (FW?) that the reason for the elimination of the optic rails on the rear sight base is that it simply wasn't repeatable enough to hold zero well enough to be worth using.

  • @kebabsvein1
    @kebabsvein1 Год назад +8

    Do you have examples of the MkB 42 development i.e the Henchel and Walther wariants? Anyway fun video as always! Happy new year to Jonathan and the team!

  • @sunnyfrisch
    @sunnyfrisch Год назад +3

    The mount for the optics was also meant for the ZG 1229 Vampire, or Zielgerät (Zielgeraet; aiming device) 1229 Vampir, which had been in development around that time as well.

  • @petethebastard
    @petethebastard Год назад +8

    LOL! ..."sticky-outy bit" being a technical term, of course!
    Great vid.

  • @Flaming_Donkey
    @Flaming_Donkey Год назад +6

    Hi! Could you guys do a video on the stoner 63?

  • @richarddixon7276
    @richarddixon7276 Год назад +1

    Thanks Jonathan , I always learn something new when I watch a Royal Armouries video .

  • @Convoycrazy
    @Convoycrazy Год назад +1

    Thank you for the wealth of information, very enjoyable video.

  • @ZaGaijinSmash
    @ZaGaijinSmash 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love this content but I’d love it even more with better lighting and seeing the weapons against a light or white table

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear Год назад +1

    Thanks

  • @raymondgill9796
    @raymondgill9796 Год назад +1

    Fascinating and informative.

  • @mayfieldcourt
    @mayfieldcourt Год назад +3

    Thank you for a very informative and expert video. But please can we fix the lighting of these videos? My eyesight is not what it was, it would be super to be able to see the detail. Thank you for your work to bring the collection to a wider audience. Bravo!

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Год назад

      Yes, I have been meaning to comment that this location and specifically the table covering are too dark to see details. Good comment.

    • @kot0472
      @kot0472 Год назад

      What's wrong with the light?

  • @XxxXxx-to8is
    @XxxXxx-to8is Год назад +7

    Jonathan's knowledge is amazing.

  • @KadeKillz
    @KadeKillz Год назад +5

    I demand a collab of Jonathan with Gun Jesus (Ian McCallum [Forgotten Weapons]) Cause this is just so good! I think they'd both be an amazing little series! :D

    • @Roaproductiondk
      @Roaproductiondk Год назад

      I second that!

    • @AKUJIVALDO
      @AKUJIVALDO Год назад

      Demand? Start paying first!

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Год назад +1

      Didn't they do that in the desert a few years ago?

    • @mog398
      @mog398 Год назад +2

      They have done! Go look up their bullpup video!

  • @u4ia_fubar_75
    @u4ia_fubar_75 Год назад +3

    This is why I love your videos, I thought they only made one version of the gun. Every time I watch a video I learn something new. 😀👍

  • @MegadethTillDeth
    @MegadethTillDeth Год назад +1

    Very informative and enjoyable

  • @ihcfn
    @ihcfn Год назад +1

    I really do love this series!

  • @stuartp2006
    @stuartp2006 Год назад +5

    If I was an engineer sitting between all these weapons, I'd probably say that the AK (which is the contentious post-war design) is a conglomeration of the M1 Garand and the STG44. Uniquely from the STG44 being the short rifle cartridge and the over-barrel design of the gas piston. The specifics of what gun gets invented where lag behind the necessities of war, and that goes for the shape of the gun (which a lot comes from cheap stamping requirements). Mass produced enough and it becomes a "hero gun", even after that war is over. But it seems weird that the idea that the AK is just an STG44 knock-off is one that pops up pretty persistently. idk there are limited number of ways to port energy into rotation etc

  • @spektakelkd
    @spektakelkd Год назад +1

    Jonathan Ferguson is an absolute treasure. Love the content !

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 Год назад +1

    A lovely presentation and thanks for it. Liked and shared.

  • @chooseyouhandle
    @chooseyouhandle Год назад +5

    This is a proper assault rifle

  • @cosmo9882
    @cosmo9882 Год назад +1

    Awesome, thank you 👍😎

  • @MakeItWithJim
    @MakeItWithJim Год назад +2

    You should a grey or white table cloth!

  • @modeltraingeek6544
    @modeltraingeek6544 Год назад +1

    What great vid This is so interesting thank you 😊

  • @robertmiller2173
    @robertmiller2173 Год назад

    Fantastic Thanks, so well done; cripes my dad would have liked one of these in Greece, Crete, North Africa, and Italy with the 20th Battalion of the New Zealand Army. The 303 Enfield wasn't that bad!

  • @wills2140
    @wills2140 Год назад

    6:07 "... and we have examples of those too ( the two manufactures of Mkb - 42 )..." and I look forward to the day those rather interesting Mkb-42 (W) and (H) rifles are featured in a video here. Thanks to Jonathan and The Royal Armouries for this video!
    (:

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Год назад

      27:37 thank you so much for mentioning the Vickers Guide book on this rifle ( and other WWII designs ). Larry Vickers has a long association with H K and WWII era German firearms, an expert in the field if there ever was one. Larry has had a rough couple of years, and I am sure he appreciates his work being mentioned here. Thanks again.

  • @hakes2
    @hakes2 Год назад +1

    I would love to see a day at the range with that collection..that would be a fun watch

    • @wills2140
      @wills2140 Год назад

      It would be fun. Also high risk and a bit expensive ( current pricing on ammo being what it is, let alone if a rifle were damaged ). We would not likely see a "range" video from Royal Armouries, it is not really in their normal work ( other than extracting samples of a fired bullet - which they rarely show ). Others have fired several original and put together parts kits here on youtube. I recommend both Larry Vickers and Forgotten Weapons because they have good footage and outstanding information, just search for each model.

    • @hakes2
      @hakes2 Год назад

      @Will S I get that, there are plenty of other videos of people shooting similar guns on the tube

  • @DARIVSARCHITECTVS
    @DARIVSARCHITECTVS Год назад +1

    One of the main reasons Hitler did not want production to start on MP-43 production was not only that it appeared ugly to him, but there was an ammunition shortage which would be made worse with introduction of a new cartridge, 8mm kurz.

  • @grahamrankin4725
    @grahamrankin4725 Год назад +1

    Having a light grey table cloth rather than black would make it easier to see the weapons. Also better lighting for the closeups is needed.

  • @kolega4ever
    @kolega4ever Год назад +7

    Johnathan, have you ever thought of showcasing a cartridge (I mean specific cartridge for example Balle D not overall 7x50mm R) on a What is this weapon or in RA's YT channel? It would be awesome as heck to see that

    • @derekp2674
      @derekp2674 Год назад

      I keep threatening to throw a certain cartridge in as a side match there but have not got round to doing it yet...

  • @Dogbertious
    @Dogbertious Год назад +67

    Bizarre to hear of crates of the MP/STG 43/44 turning up in Syria. I wonder if the people who found/provided them realised what they had on their hands. Fairly certain there would've been a long queue of American collectors who would've paid a pretty penny for a good quality example.

    • @snowflakemelter1172
      @snowflakemelter1172 Год назад +3

      Exporting from a war zone .

    • @kber6288
      @kber6288 Год назад +16

      but the average american collector can not buy them. they are limited to what is already registered, and this Registry was closed in 1986. that's why the prices are so high.
      so only dealers with licence for FA guns could buy them as samples, maybe for a reference collection. and that market is very limited. I'm quite sure there is no resell market to LE for this old guns, they will prefer more modern guns. makes it quite hard to argue why a dealer should stock them

    • @TheSundayShooter
      @TheSundayShooter Год назад +3

      Jonathon mentioned the latest units lacking QC, so maybe those grapes were sour anyway ;~;

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Год назад +14

      They were shipped to Syria by the French in 1948 along with Panzer IV tanks…
      And because the weren’t in the US before 1986, they can’t be registered and are therefore illegal… (though you could import them as parts kits if the gun is cut in half through the receiver).

    • @j.robertsergertson4513
      @j.robertsergertson4513 Год назад +6

      Lol , they're still being used in the Ukraine today

  • @genericpersonx333
    @genericpersonx333 Год назад +2

    I recall the Americans had a similar debate about whether or not the M1 Garand rifle could replace all other arms in the rifle squad and potentially the platoon. Shows a lot about how much doctrine was wedded to the basic capabilities of the repeating rifles. Moment someone has a weapon of similar bulk that can shoot a lot more in a hurry, people start dreaming that one gun can do it all.

    • @romaliop
      @romaliop Год назад

      It's a necessity really. Keep in mind that the previous doctrines have been based on what the platoons previously were armed with, so any major change into the dynamic not only leads to new possibilities, but potentially also new problems if you just continue with the old doctrine.

  • @gooeygulby90
    @gooeygulby90 Год назад +1

    25 minutes of Stg44 ASMR -- yes please

  • @robwilkes3351
    @robwilkes3351 Год назад +2

    I'm not one to tell a firearms expert about his job but... the term assault rifle is not problematic beyond the fact that some people think that semi-automatic rifles are assault rifles. The real problem term (at least here in the U.S.) is "assault weapon".

  •  Год назад +1

    Very interesting

  • @Torque_Mk1
    @Torque_Mk1 Год назад +1

    11:21 "Sticky-outy bit"
    And that's how Jonathan Ferguson became the first honorary 'umie mekboy.

  • @snowflakemelter1172
    @snowflakemelter1172 Год назад +6

    The steel handguard is a fundamental design flaw, I wonder why they stuck with it ?

    • @STdoubleDs
      @STdoubleDs Год назад +9

      Good quality lumber was becoming very hard to come by by the time the STG was adopted. It’s one of the reasons why the K98 went to having laminated stocks mid war.

    • @zoiders
      @zoiders Год назад +4

      You will be wearing gloves regardless in freezing conditions.

    • @snowflakemelter1172
      @snowflakemelter1172 Год назад

      @@zoiders WW2 wasn't fought just in cold climates.

    • @snowflakemelter1172
      @snowflakemelter1172 Год назад

      @@STdoubleDs true, but im thinking of the last ditch VG weapons which all had wood stocks and hand guards so there must have been timber available.

    • @STdoubleDs
      @STdoubleDs Год назад +1

      @@snowflakemelter1172
      It ultimately came down to German logistical doctrine later in the war. If the majority of the parts of the STG were going to be made out of stampings, why complicate the manufacturing with another piece of wood or bakelite when the metal fabricators that are trained in metal work can stamp out a stopgap/replaceable part in one tenth the time. The vg1-5 and vg-5 rifles used short stock configurations where the piece of wood being used didn’t have to be a long piece of knot free hard wood. They were essentially putting crude, minimalist hunting stocks on their last ditch weapon designs.

  • @James-nl6fu
    @James-nl6fu Год назад +1

    This German mp44/stg44 is clearly the inspiration for the AK 47. Though the ak shared some features with the equaly tough and reliable M14 garand

  • @parallel-knight
    @parallel-knight Год назад

    The MKB-42 (H) is an awesome looking weapon. Red orchestra 2 one of my fav guns to use

  • @o.r.grinter7763
    @o.r.grinter7763 Год назад +1

    Jonathan and Mark Felton should collaborate

  • @Azguella
    @Azguella Год назад +2

    One of these guns is the one Jonathan hugs after doing video with GameSpot and seeing all the cursed guns they have concocted

  • @jonathanbohm6489
    @jonathanbohm6489 Год назад +2

    I hope Jonathan reviews the GM-94 pump action Grenade Launcher behind him soon aka the Russian China Lake (but official)

  • @domsphotography
    @domsphotography Год назад +7

    The East German’s equipped African nations/ guerrilla units with them in the 1960’s/70’s

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo2001 Год назад +4

    I have a .22 version based externally on the Stg 44 same size and all, not sure about the weight.... semi auto but great fun and looks pretty cool. A US start-up tried to manufacture semi-auto replicas in 8mm Kurz and 7.62/39 (I think) but it appears that they failed and a lot of people lost deposits. They got close I understand but never got over the hump.

    • @ragingjaguarknight86
      @ragingjaguarknight86 Год назад +1

      I've got myself one too. Mine is a GSG StG-44 in .22LR. I mounted an ACOG clone on it, so I get some looks when I take it to the range. ^_^

    • @MrJerrycampbell
      @MrJerrycampbell Год назад +1

      PSA announced introduction of it this year at SHOT show 2023.

  • @yoochoob1858
    @yoochoob1858 Год назад +18

    When I saw this I thought "GREAT! I'll bet the royal armouries has pristine examples of all the variants, can't wait to see" ... 7 minutes later they're finally on the table and I start playing "spot the differences" and then watch a slow progression through the differences, and a slightly jumbled run through of the history. As for all the differences being in front of the receiver: those two have different versions of buttstock, as you mentioned.

  • @tHeWasTeDYouTh
    @tHeWasTeDYouTh Год назад

    please do a video in which you tear down the Solothurn S3-200 belt fed. Also I hope you can also make a video on the Solothurn S2-200 magazine fed

  • @stevemc6010
    @stevemc6010 Год назад +3

    In Battlefield V you can actually swap between the larger and smaller stocks in the cosmetic customization
    Edit: that grenade launcher segment is great

    • @rosaria8384
      @rosaria8384 Год назад +1

      The smaller stock is a wire stock, definitely rendering the gun inoperable due to the stock having a recoil spring

    • @stevemc6010
      @stevemc6010 Год назад +1

      @@rosaria8384 I'm not talking about the wire stock, that's a different thing. It has the different sized wood stocks as seen in this video.

  • @bbcmotd
    @bbcmotd Год назад

    Please make an episode about PPD-38, 38/40, PPSh-41, PPSh-2, PPS-42, PPS-43 etc.

  • @petershearn2974
    @petershearn2974 Год назад +1

    Hi Jonathan, we going to see an fg42 segment on here soon.??

  • @joshboy1st
    @joshboy1st Год назад

    Great vid Jonathan Ferguson, also the stocks are diffrent mp43 is bigger lol (: keep the vids rolling all the best!

  • @tarjei99
    @tarjei99 Год назад +2

    I think the Rumanians produced 7.92mm kurtz well after the war.

  • @iamAwesomo1994
    @iamAwesomo1994 10 месяцев назад +1

    there needs to be an STG for AR/AK foreign exchange program.

  • @RabeHK
    @RabeHK Год назад +6

    So, does something marked MP43 give the same emotional support as the Stgw 44?
    When you say heavier than a first gen AK fo you mean type 1 stamped ones or the milled variant they switched to due to problems?

    • @alexandruianu8432
      @alexandruianu8432 Год назад +1

      It's heavier even than the type 2 (the first milled pattern). I think it's nearly 5 kg.

  • @MsJoao101
    @MsJoao101 Год назад +2

    aaaa the sticky outy bit... kkkk... the mostest technical term...

  • @vodkareality2796
    @vodkareality2796 Год назад +7

    Quick question. Will this rifle give me emotional support like your STG 44 does? 😂

  • @Cats-TM
    @Cats-TM 10 месяцев назад

    20:00
    To be fair, the US also had the Garand so ya' know, self loading rifles are pretty convenient. They were still using the Springfield so, not completely self-loading.

  • @broadstken
    @broadstken Год назад +2

    The STG evolved into the Cetme, and then into the HK. following the family tree from WW2 to the present would be a good video

    • @903lew
      @903lew Год назад

      Tell me you have never disassembled a Roller-Delayed blowback without telling me you’ve never…
      The MKb/Stg44 has nothing in common with the CETME/G3-family and works on entirely different principles. Different design teams, different outcomes.

    • @broadstken
      @broadstken Год назад +2

      @@903lew The Cetme was literally designed by some of the same engineers from Mauser, and while it's a blowback operated gun and not a long stroke piston operated gun, there are a lot of similarities in its construction, most of all the stamped receiver is a direct result of the STG design. Ludwig Vorgrimler is the one who patented the roller delay system in Germany during WW2

    • @Kav.
      @Kav. Год назад +1

      @@broadstken you're thinking of the STG 45 though, not STG44 that this video is about.
      You are right on technicality. I agree with you, but internally the STG44 and CETME are totally different.

    • @903lew
      @903lew Год назад

      @@broadstken Vorgrimler always worked on blowback, never on pistons. Furthermore, Mauser was not involved in the Stg44/MP43/MKb, that was Haenel.
      But sure, someone working on tracks at MAN was key to gearboxes at Henschel. Because of course they were.

  • @hairydogstail
    @hairydogstail Год назад

    Eugene Stoner and James Sullivan first saw constant recoil in the MP-44..Stoner called it that run out thing..

  • @jankusthegreat9233
    @jankusthegreat9233 10 месяцев назад

    I'm falling in love with your beard

  • @las10plagas
    @las10plagas Год назад +4

    the coolest thing is, after I've watched an episode of your videos or by forgotten weapons, I can play with that weapon in VR, because in H3VR many of these weapons are either in the game or can be modded into :)
    of course not every single one but some of them are ;-)

  • @fatbloke2285
    @fatbloke2285 Год назад +1

    Quite simply, yet another great and informative vid Jonathan. One day you might stop surpassing yourself!!!

  • @janemauer51
    @janemauer51 Год назад +1

    I read somewhere one of the reasons for not replacing “standard weapons “ was ammunition production
    Having to switch to short cartridge production, would compromise the product of the standard cartridge
    Also there was millions of standard cartridges in storage

    • @ManDuderGuy
      @ManDuderGuy Год назад +2

      Yeah it's a logistical feat to add another cartridge, I can sympathize with the old geezers who just wanted to stick with 1 pistol cartridge and 1 rifle cartridge.

    • @AKUJIVALDO
      @AKUJIVALDO Год назад

      Not really, machine guns with full power cartridge were there to stay. Suppression fire at long range was needed in WW2, especially in Eastern Front.
      US experienced that range disadvantage in Iran and Afghanistan where freedom fighters had full power rifles.

    • @williamzk9083
      @williamzk9083 11 месяцев назад

      @@AKUJIVALDOThe German army wanted to replace every rifle and every MG42 and every MP40 in the 12 man squad. The MG42 would be kicked up past platoon level to brigade level.

  • @austinpowersfasjer
    @austinpowersfasjer Год назад

    Beautiful gun, ahead of its time

  • @stephenhester9804
    @stephenhester9804 Год назад +3

    The Buttstock on the 43/1 looks bigger as well.

  • @bartb7790
    @bartb7790 Год назад +1

    Jonathan, I can be mistaken, but isn't the buttstock different?
    It also showed up in the Dutch East Indies and Vietnam.

  • @Grasyl
    @Grasyl Год назад +1

    3:17 I thought the term "Assault Rifle" derives from the Lewis-"Assault Phase Rifle" from 1916 naming the rifle after the "Assault Phase" of trench warfare ..

  • @csipawpaw7921
    @csipawpaw7921 Год назад +1

    I believe the real problem governments had with adopting semi and full automatic weapons was the cost and logistics of manufacture and transport of the new weapon along with a much larger volume of ammunition.

  • @FG42
    @FG42 Год назад +1

    An interesting thing is why the Mp43/1 was special. The highest one I have seen is a registered one in the us at serial number 3xxxk/44. The Mp43/1 except for a few instances always had the heaven barrel.
    However Haenel did not use different serial number ranges. The MP43/1, Mp43, Mp44 & StG44 are all in consecutive numbers. There are no set blocks unless of course the dies wore out and the designation was no longer made, in which case it disappears from the produced nomenclature. There is more to the Mp43/1 barrel than is understood at this time.

    • @FG42
      @FG42 Год назад

      A hypothetical example of consecutive numbers would be:
      Mp43/1 1001g/44
      Mp43. 1002g/44
      Mp44. 1003g/44
      StG44. 1004g/44
      The MKb 42(H) had its own serial number range.

  • @albertborgman859
    @albertborgman859 Год назад

    It's a Machine Pistol 43 with an improved cartridge used fur flank security for the MG-42. Even if the user is not the squad leader equivalent. Borgmann- for Borgman Royal Archives.

  • @hughbeein1265
    @hughbeein1265 4 месяца назад

    Question;
    The reduced power cartridge was also available in the form of the M1 carbine, which came first?

  • @gotindrachenhart
    @gotindrachenhart Год назад +1

    As I understood it, Sturmgewehr basically translated to something akin to "storm rifle", as in "to storm an objective" or "storm the beach", i.e. to assault something. So it was the weapon used in assaults etc.. And this is the dawn of the term assault rifle, right?

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Год назад

      I'm impressed with your German and how you can connect the words storm rifle to assault rifle. Bravo!

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn Год назад

    It's a handsome piece

  • @dylanoleary7997
    @dylanoleary7997 Год назад

    If this isn't the best lunch time treat!

  • @mrhamburger6936
    @mrhamburger6936 Год назад +4

    A friend of a friend Uncle brought home at STG 44 from the Second World War he disabled it by removing the recoil spring in a firing pin and the spare firing pin was missing from the butt stock he was looking for a replacement recoil spring and a firing pin he read it to the problem when it came to the firing pin he found out that there's several different designs of firing pins that were used on these guns so he was never able to get the gun working again that was some time ago I lost track of this guy but I thought I'd bring up there's more differences in these guns then what you were showing

    • @BT-ex7ko
      @BT-ex7ko Год назад +4

      I was a little bit curious and I did some really surface level research. Obviously this is something someone like Johnathon or other firearm expert to chime in on, but from what I could find there were two for the mp43, mp44 and stg44 weapons, and one for the MKb42. They are a bit different, but not by much, except the MKb42 pin. The Early pins were triangular with lighted fluted sides; The Later model firing pin was triangle but flat on all sides. The MKb42 pin is square with deeply fluted sides.
      What's interesting to me is that some of the websites with these claim that they are cross compatible, including the MKb42 firing pin-which is the only pin I could find with a major design variation-working with the MP 43, MP 44, and Stg 44.Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I'm just a youtube commenter. To my admittedly limited knowledge, the rifles were manufactured by various different contractors and subcontractors and people do claim that some minor changes were made in different production lines.
      Edit: Some further research led me to learn that there is a circular firing pin as well, believed to be post war, although I've only found one mention one one picture of it thus far.
      I do not own one of these rifles and so I've never taken one down-so I have zero clue how the firing pin is fitted and why there are so many pins that claim to be compatible.
      Another Edit: Watched some breakdown videos. The firing pin slot in the actual bolt is circular/tubular, so I now believe all of these would fit and work fine as long as their machined within tolerances. The earlier fluted square and triangular shapes were made simply to reduce weight.
      So that finally explains the firing pin issue, which leads me to believe the failures of your uncles friend may have been from something else failing or getting pins that were manufactured outside dimensional tolerances.

    • @mrhamburger6936
      @mrhamburger6936 Год назад +2

      @@BT-ex7ko I think the bolts might have been different to the combinate these different types of firing pins and I think they must have had problems with the firing pins because the gun came with a spare firing pin in the rear butt stock my friend's friend that owns the gun said that the firing pin was missing out of the buttstock to spare one

    • @BT-ex7ko
      @BT-ex7ko Год назад +4

      @@mrhamburger6936 There may have been! In the videos I saw, the triangular pins are captive in the tubular bolt area for the pin, however, these I think were all collectable pieces or museum pieces so they I'm not sure if they were functional.
      You might be right on the firing pins being pretty awful, since there were several designs and original spares are still buyable even today which to me says that they made *a lot of them*. I also saw that some original deployment kits came with extra pins in a carry bag.
      Honestly from the research I did today, the STG 44 program was wild and had a lot of varied pieces, equipment, and field made parts or accessories, so I think some of this is just near impossible collaborate but yet all plausible.

  • @xxxy9928
    @xxxy9928 10 месяцев назад

    a bit of Light would be great 7:20

  • @natanreb
    @natanreb Год назад +1

    Not all of the MP43/1 rifles have the ZF41 rail on the back sight tower. Mp43/1 still had a some of the left over MKB42H parts, Stock, barrel. muzzle nut and sight tower.

  • @DjDire
    @DjDire 9 месяцев назад

    Did you toought that this will be a video to watch when drunk and dont ilunderstand shit but still enjoy?? :D Happy New Year folk and Jonathan too! :)

  • @peterconnan5631
    @peterconnan5631 Год назад

    Your videos are always interesting, but I often find myself staring at the two target rifles in the row behind you and wandering what they are...

  • @jonathanbohm6489
    @jonathanbohm6489 Год назад +3

    I’d love to see if SOE or the OSS made attempts to attach a suppressor on an STG44

  • @apathtrampledbydeer8446
    @apathtrampledbydeer8446 Год назад

    The man should introduce himself as: Hi my name is Jonathan Gigachad Legend King of Yorkshire Ferguson.
    A really beautiful gun, despite it's spicy origin story.

  • @MrWheelman82
    @MrWheelman82 Год назад +3

    I remember reading that the MP43/44/STG44 was cheaper to produce than an M1 Garand, is that broadly correct? And, if so, is that all due to the ease of manufacturing stamped steel gives? It almost seems incredible that it'd save that much.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Год назад +2

      Stamping is an extremely cheap way to produce things for the era, but the complex stampings (remember the Soviets took years of working with Germans to develop their stamping abilities for the AK) of items like this had massive upfront costs compared to more traditional manufacturing methods.
      So what is cheaper would likely depend heavily on how many units are produced with more units favouring the stamped weapon.

    • @BrorealeK
      @BrorealeK Год назад

      @@88porpoise Very good point.

    • @williamzk9083
      @williamzk9083 11 месяцев назад

      The Hanel StG 44 took 75 man hours, materials included, to make. That wasn’t enough so the Mauser StG 45 was only supposed to take 45 man hours. The only raw material Germany was self sufficient in was magnesium. This can only really be pressed into shape (TIG welding excepted). The expertise Germany developed in magnesium presses worked its way into aluminium and steal. This is an area German industry was way ahead in. They had complex castings, forging a and pressings especially for aircaft parts.

  • @ZealotPewPewPew
    @ZealotPewPewPew Год назад

    MKB48 is my favorite idol group.

  • @strangesignal9757
    @strangesignal9757 5 месяцев назад

    Is there any info about the STG 45? It's very difficult to find about.

  • @mwidenst
    @mwidenst Год назад

    Still one of the best looking assault rifles

  • @deadstop4434
    @deadstop4434 Год назад

    You should do one on the mp 3008 if you have one in the collection

  • @kraig800i
    @kraig800i 8 месяцев назад

    Does the Royal Armories Have any of the East German wieger stg.940 series ? ? ? I've only just found out about it them and there's very few videos online.

  • @jackmatthews939
    @jackmatthews939 Год назад +1

    Does Royal Armouries have an MKB 42H in its possession?

  • @PURPLECATDUDE7734
    @PURPLECATDUDE7734 Год назад +1

    They’re useful for fire support and also emotional support

  • @megu2328
    @megu2328 Год назад

    Can you do a video on the MkB?

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt Год назад +4

    I would disagree with the idea a standard assault rifle can replace the SMG. It can replace the SMG in general infantry service, but unless you go to a very cut down version (like the AKSU74), not as good a fit for the AFV crew defensive gun. (I'll disregard utterly the very niche roles, like VIP protection or special operations types with specialty requirements- the number of those users, compared to the overall army, is a rounding error.)
    If you argue that the SMG can be fully replaced in conventional military service by cut down variants like the AKSU74, then you have to accept assaukt rifle variants like the RPK and the USMC's IAR as legitimate "assault rifles", and they have absolutely established the *squad* / *section* level LMG can be replaced by an assault rifle variant (provided the base rifle platform isn't crap, like the L85/L86)... or at worst, a dedicated LMG (FN Minimi, HK MG4, Ultimax, Negev, etc.), in the intermediate cartridge (again, provided the LMG isn't crap ([cough, cough] CETME Ameli)), even if some use cases might call for pushing the "full power" GPMGs down to the squad/section level.

    • @derekp2674
      @derekp2674 Год назад

      Once you go to needing a more compact weapon for vehicle crews, then you might choose an SMG (L2A3) or a PDW or a Carbine (L22A2).

    • @ichimonjiguy
      @ichimonjiguy Год назад +1

      If the AFV crews in the vehicle, they can fight with the weapons mounted on the vehicle. They don't need sub-compact weapon to defend themselves. If the AFV crews fighting outside the vehicle, the space constrain is gone. Therefore, the standard infantry weapon (whatever it may be) will suit them just fine.

    • @Kav.
      @Kav. Год назад +1

      @@ichimonjiguy it's more about being able to store and then get out of the vehicle with the weapon. Watch Oxides video on Russian tanker kit, it demonstrates the point quite well.