2022 KTM 890 Adventure R vs Ducati DesertX - Cycle News
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- We’ve said it a million times before here at Cycle News-the mid-size ADV sector is the game to be in if you’re a manufacturer worth its salt.
KTM’s known this for a few years with the 790/890 Adventure series, as has Triumph with their Tiger 800 and BMW with the 750/850 GS line. Yamaha’s recently joined with the Tenere 700 and Aprilia have done likewise with the fantastic Tuareg 660.
But there was one Euro manufacturer missing-Ducati. The Italians have made more noise than any of the aforementioned companies of late, releasing a deluge of new or revised models since 2019. That was the year we saw our first glimpses of the bike Ducatisti have longed for, a machine we finally got this year in the brilliant DesertX.
Far from being a trumped-up scrambler as the prototype was that we saw in 2019 at EICMA, the DesertX was a ground up job designed for serious sports adventure riding. And Ducati had one bike in mind they wanted to topple upon release, their Austrian neighbors to the north, KTM and the 890 Adventure R.
We’ve tested the 890 R against pretty much every other mid-size ADV machine over the last few years and guess what? It’s won every time, so will it win again against the Ducati?
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Nice review !
Being an owner myself of the Ducati DesertX (got it early september), being a former enduro rider, and using this bike as hard as my ability will get me on and off road, I'll add that, to me :
It's a real 50/50 bike !
I've tried all the other bikes in the range (except for the tiger and africa which have never been an option to me) and this one is the only one being a real blast both on and offroad.
-On road, the V2 engine SPEAKS. This caracter it has is what lacks all the competitor with their similar L2 engines. The chassis works great, the brakes are roadbike level. You can ride it as a supermoto, foot down and slide it from braking point to power sliding exiting a corner (DTC off of course) or ride it like a naked/sport bike, with proper lines and assistances on. It's a wheelie machine, should I add. You can feel the road DNA of Ducati.
-Off road, the more you ride it, the more you get confident, the more you go for it. It's impressive how light yet planted the bike feels. At some point you feel like you could go anywhere the enduro 450's would go. I'm not a huge fan of electronic assistance, yet I suprised myself using it a lot ! And ... it is actually very easy to swith modes once you've taken like 30 minutes to really understand the sequencing display. You can switch while riding in 2 seconds. One big advantage : When you select a riding mode and kill the engine (or stall), the moment you switch the bike on again, it's still in the same mode ! I do not know about the KTM on that. Who has never swallowed their own balls as their bike would not brake due to ABS being on again ?!
On the DDX You can modify every modes to your taste which seems like a detail, but in real life it isn't! The DTC (Ducati thorttle control or ESP) is like no others to me. I like it on the 890R but to me ducati really nailed it with this throttle control. Enduro mode with only 75hp is extraordinary in muddy wet conditions. The rally mode is... well : 110hp offroad... It's nowhere to be necessary or faster, but damn is it joyfull.
Suspension wise, I'm a light and small guy (174cm and less than 80kg all geared up). Had to realease slightly the preload on the front, rear was fine from factory. Reduced a bit the compression setting on both fork (left leg) and shock, too. Now it's just fine. Where the 890r has excellent suspensions, I'd say this one has very good ones. Position and ergonomics is perfect, I felt at home right away which was not the case on any o the other bikes I tried.
It is aboslutely true : the DesertX is forgiving offroad for the exact reason they mentionned.
The traction is impressive. Even on the more roadish oriented tires it's got from factory, man does it fell like the rear wheel will NOT slip unless you want it to! The first time I took it offroad with DTC oof, I really thought the TDC was actually still slighly there, but it wasn't! Don't get me wrong, it does amazing power slide if you want it to.
- Technically : air filter is well located when it comes to getting clean air versus dusty air, but it's true that it's a pain to access. Takes about 45min when you are used to doing it. Other issue is the torque spec of the rear wheel. Other than that, it's just like the other bikes. My dealer lets me work on the bike and won't void the warranty for it. It's wel built and pretty easy to work on, actually.
I'll add here that the shifter is great on mid and high rpm's but sometimes won't work well on low rpm. Hey, it's a v2 engine... That's normal. It's also normal that it won't be as smooth as an L2 on low rpm, yet I found myslef tractoring that thing on very steep hills whith no issue. This bike won't stall.
In other words, tehcnically there is nothing to be affraid of.
- Price wise : It is up to everyone to decide whether this bike is worth spending the amount versus another cheaper bike. Tuareg is a great choice for the buck if you plan on riding mostly offroad or if road performance isn't important to you. Reliability may be a bit of a problem with the aprilia though, time will tell. That said, ktm 890's have plenty of issues as well. T7 is a rock.
So I'll conclude the same way I started. You pay more for this bike, but you get a REAL 50/50 bike that'll put a smile on your face no matter where you take it.
THe 890R will be a blast offroad, and with time and training, I'm sure it's much quicker than the ducati. On road, well it's just a big enduro with all the downsides you may imagine.
Hoping this will help people make a decision.
Please bear with me : this message is only a perspective : My perspective.
Completely agree.
Great points. Congrats on the new ride
Thanks for your Desert X experience. The KTM options for the bundled software gets the price closer between these two bikes.
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I've ordered a desert x RR22, I got a big 600cc enduro for tech riding and knarly trails, to me the desert x is a fire road blaster and something that you can tour on and have a play in the twisty tarmac roads, when the shock of the cost wears off I'll be taking it on some tech trails and some bog bashing and single trail in the mountains
Geez, let Rennie speak! Quit constantly talking over the dude when he's trying to make a point.
I noticed that as well
We've already given him a warning 😂
Was annoying to watch.
Insane..dude is really adamant about not letting the other guy speak.
so frustrating! 😂
Boys. Turn your input gains DOWN. You're running those pres too hot, especially given how close you are to the mics.
Yep, sorry about that one.
This review along with the Tenere/Africa Twin episode were outstanding. Appreciate the discussion and insights. I think your observations on the KTM and Ducati were spot on. Though a long-time KTM fanboy I went with the DesertX because: 1) I was ready to try something new and 2) thought it would be a better all-rounder given my skills and use. First time Ducati owner so crossing my fingers in terms of reliability.
Thank you for the kind words and congrats on the new ride!
It seems the Ducati is the new KTM 950 Adventure!
the motor on the ducati has been around forever and is reliable
@@sierrarider I haven't seen many Ducatis with proper high mileage. Owners often get rid of them at relatively low miles or don't seem to ride them that much.
Nice to see someone actually comparing the two. So much of the media has shied away from comparing new adv bikes to the 890. It's interesting to see them side by side. The 890 actually looks slim next to the Desert X. Not sure your weights are correct though. A fully fuelled 890 is around 213kg. The Dessert X is 223kg.
with the sc project decat pipe and silencer they are the same weight but it'll cost you $1300 - unless you get the extra tank on ducati which will add weight but get you another 100miles
@@sierrarider you can remove plenty of kgs/lbs from 890 too :) I have personally removed ~12kg (26lbs) from 790advR. Nor sure how easy it is on Ducati, but I expect it's more difficult as it's in general more difficult bike to work on.
No mention about the different service philosophies of KTM vs Ducati. Sure KTM is "Ready to Race", but it's "Fix it Yourself, Because You Have to" vs Ducati's "Take it to the Dealer" for everything from cleaning your chain to changing the air filter. Ducati publishes NO DIY service information, such as tightening specifications. At least KTM's Owners Manual provides some useful information. BTW, I own both the DesertX and multiple KTMs, including a 1090R Adventure. My comments are based on firsthand experience, not hearsay.
F'n seriously with the KTM dealers, especially in South Florida. 3 of 4 KTM dealers have left my bike in worst condition than I brought in for warranty work, would rather wrench on it myself to KNOW it's safe to shred!
100%. They tell you to take it to an authorized Ducati service center to adjust the chain! HELL NO.
@@4tech69 or just be a man
@@RollinwithRoland In my opinion, this has nothing to do with KTM dealers and more to do with dealers and repair shops in general. They will never give a shit about your bike like you will. It's also hard to find truly talented and capable mechanics, so you are better off to develop your own wrenching skills for all your vehicles. I have 2 Trucks, a car, and 2 motorcycles in my household and no one works on any of them but me.
I too, believe that most of the time, they come back in worse shape after a hack mechanic touches it. I won;t even use free maintenance benefits
@@eriknash8783 gonna make for a sad state of the world when no one takes any pride in their work anymore...
I have about 800 miles on my Desert X. I’ve done a mix of road and level 1-2 dirt. Very happy thus far with the off road capabilities. I can not believe it’s on road handling!!!
This is coming form someone who’s owned/own 996, S4RS, Supersports, Monster R, Pikes Peak etc… It corners far better on the road than it should with knobbies and a 21” front wheel. Not sure how Ducati did it; however, that’s why I’m brand loyal.
I’m sure the KTM is as capable or maybe a little better off road, no way it can keep up on the road.
Nice ride.
Apart from critique of the menu nav clearly based on or reading the manual that was the only thing missing from the review of the Desert X for me!
According to other reviews it’s a way sportier more enjoyable Nile on road than the KTM yet with a lower power off road to do that well too!
I had a 790 Duke and have several friends that have the 890 adventure and they have a lot of reliability issues. I have had several KTM dirtbikes back in the day and they were dead reliable, but the 790 was a nightmare.
The dirtbikes are built differently, the 790/890 is manufactured in china by CFMoto
@@francescoporcari8597 not yet, but its gonna happen..
@@pgkr67 they have announced that the 790 ADV 2023 is going to be built in China
@@francescoporcari8597 Yes as i said..Its gonna happen..
KTM 890R is a weapon on and off road. I drove both bikes many times and KTM is superior in almost every way! Sorry but there is only one winner here KTM 890R
KTM has poor quality assembly, and overall looks cheaper.
@@francescoporcari8597 agreed. Ducati shits on KTM from looks and frankly on road. Not to mention the longer swing arm does wonders for stability.
Thank you👍
KTM is in fact a LOT cheaper-so looks match reality? Seems fair.
I own both bikes and the Ducati is way better than the KTM on the street. You can almost hang with sport bikes on the Duc… the KTM doesn’t come close on the street.
Missed one key difference- air filter accessibility. If you ride in dusty conditions, the Ducati is pretty much ruled out.
It's a 20 min job. Plus, Australia has the finest red dirt and there's a video of a guy riding from one side of Australia to the other through deserts 15,000km and the filter was not an issue. Unifilter oiled foam filter in on the first service and swap it at service intervals is all that's needed. It's placement is intentional so that it doesn't foul so regularly. Would a hinged tank be easier? Yep. But it's such a non-event this filter thing that it's only brought up by people who have never ridden the DesertX let alone owned one.
@@thomasjones113
Spot on Thomas. 👍
Can’t be worse than my ktm 1190 adventure. A dedicated owner shouldn’t let filter access stop them from buying the bike.
It's not as easy no doubt but implemented better than KTM. I just had a buddy who blew his 890 engine because of the well known bad seal in the air box.....that being said it may take you longer to change but it won't likely fail
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
2023 ktm adv 890r is the best bike on market for this purpose.
concerned about Chinese mfg
@@jackolbean4765 how did his comment intimate anything about being concerned with Chinese manufacturing??
I went with the Ducati. It has over 5k miles (in scorching Texas heat) in the 4.5 months of ownership. Fitted with the Termi full race exhaust (de-cat) w/EVO tune, bash plate, crash bars, and GPS mount. The DesertX has performed flawlessly.
Love mine!
Both are capable. The offroad bonafides of KTM keep me coming back. If you want a hardcore offroad bike, you just cant go wrong with the KTM. Everything else is hit or miss.
One main thing to consider about the Ducati is the air filter location, in order to put a foam filter and a clean it regulary. It seems to be a one hour job, because it's under the fuel tank. Than's a big down to one that's thinking in riding off road. Maybe Ducati's next generations will fix that thing as KTM have done in the past (950-990 have the same issue)
Well said
The air filter location is not ideal, but 1 hr to lift the tank? I'd say it's a 20 mins job. BTW, MAD TV made an episode where they crossed Australia cost to coast offroad with a stock Desert X and a foam prefilter - they did not clean the filter in 15,000Km of bull dust, and the bike was still running perfectly fine. Oh...they didn't even change the oil!
By far the best bike review , honest fair to the brands!!!! Useful information. Helpful for anyone that want to learn and form their own preferences . KTM 890 R owner. I made my purchase after all your other reviews.
Thanks so much, glad it was helpful!
Good review and fair. But you needed to talk about air filters. Basic maintenance. Fuel economy. Those factors even in isolation are real breakers for the Duc - with whom even the owners manual directions are ‘see dealer’
Not sure why you’d pick on the Desert X electronics and dash. I find it super easy to use and quickly change rider modes on the fly as I hit different conditions. If you can’t get used to that get a bicycle.
What is the point of an 'adventure' bike where you have to lift the tank to get at the air filter? Give us a break Ducati.
they know that 90% of their clients will have an adventure on their way to the church, or on their way to coffee shop :D
@@MajinMunga , great way of putting it :)
All the reviews be like it's a great bike! I will never understand why no one mentions about the practicality issues of Ducati. It might be a great ride but it's not a great bike...
- Anyone seen what it takes to clean the air filter on Desert X? To clean the air filter you have to remove the fairings, gas tank etc. if you are not handy or don't have space to do it, t will cost you few hundreds $ at the dealership. Simply forget about cleaning it on long journeys.
- If you add the reserve tank you cannot add the factory bracket system for your top case and panniers. It's oxymoronic to give more range and take away the luggage options. It's like where you go you won't need extra clothing...
- If you add crash bars to DesertX, its price matches with 1290 ADV R in Canada, gets very close in US.
- Ducati doesn't come with knobs to adjust the forks, you need an additional tool to do it.
- Ducati has a metal tank, even the bike in the video is already dinged up.
- Vertical screen takes the space away from additional navigation devices.
I love my Ducatis and the 950 engine. We pay the extra $ to Ducatis because they look nice, have a pedigree and perform on the track as they promise etc. Impractical pretty bike is not gonna cut it in the bush. It's a fun bike, looks great for sure but Desert X has long way to catch up with the segment.
It's just not a comparison...
It's just like most road bikes the fuel tank has to be removed to swap a air filter , there's a new vid of a guy changing it out in 20 mins on the ducati
Well said! I completely agree with your excellent summation. I personally bought the Husky Norden 901 Expedition which in my opinion is the "unicorn" adv in this weight class.
Good content. Audio quality and balance required a lot of work though. Nearly ruined the video.
Sorry for that
@@cyclenews No worries guys. Have you figured out what the quality issues were for future videos?
One deciding factor these reviews hardly ever cover is the maintenance schedule, i.e. how often do you need a valve check, AND, is it possible to do it yourself. Having owned a few Ducs,. that is my Number One question...
Maintenance schedule is the same on both bikes. 15,000Km oil changes and 30,000Km valve checks. If you are familiar with the process it is not that hard, just time consuming
Dude, I like the show but let your partner finish a sentence please. You cut him off every time he is trying to make his point.
Yeah, its infuriating hey, and are they speaking through an oily air filter? .. Jesus
I really don't understand everyone saying "these aren't middleweight adventure bikes" because they're almost 1000cc. THEY ARE MIDDLEWEIGHT. You have heavyweight bikes like the big 1250GS's, V4 and big v2 multis, 1290 KTM, 1200 Tiger, etc. Then you have MIDDLEWEIGHT like the 890/901, T7, Desert X, Tiger 900, 850 GS, etc. Then you have lightweight ADV like KTM 690/Husky 701/GASGAS 700, 390 adventure, and you could categorize DR650 here too. Anything lighter than that is a dual sport, not an adventure bike. Anything heavier than the heavyweights is a jeep.
These are middleweight ADVs. They're in the middle of their respective manufacturer ranges. They weigh more than the lightweight but less than the heavy hitters. Middleweight.
Top notch review, personally I am going for the DeGucci.
Thanks Olivier
it would have make all more sense if we were comparing both 2023 models as KTM went to several updates
The '23 KTM wasn't released in time for this test. Likely to do another with the new bike in the coming future.
Jess, your mic is over saturated, cleaner sound is easier on the ears (as a sound tech I'm picky :) ) Love my KTM 790 R for the reasons you give. I'm 5'10" and enjoy the more compact size and it's performance capability is beyond what I can tap most of the time. Also have it lightened to 450 wet which I really appreciate. But, I also love the DesertX for the reasons you give too! The price would keep me away from a new one but a 2-3 yr. old clean used one down the road is a real possibility. Plus, a couple more model years will build a consensus on common issues that may arise. Good job guys, always put a lot of stock in your opinions.
Thanks so much! Both solid choices👍
@@cyclenews Forgot to ask how you liked the Karoo 4's. My AX41's are shot and was thinking of the Metzlers (at least the front anyway).
@@drrider1658 We love them. Check out our review here: www.cyclenews.com/2022/09/article/metzeler-karoo-4-adv-tires/
I had a deposit on a DX and got stuffed around by the dealer, the 2nd time by this dealer! That aside on reflection from what I believe is that if owners do maintenance theirselves there is a possibility of voiding warranty.
This to me is a deal breaker and doesn’t seem to be practical in Australia. I rode the DX around for about 30 minutes and didn’t like the clunky quick shift particularly 1st to 2nd. At one stage I thought I had broken the gear box as it was that violent. It no doubt is a nice bike but didn’t impress me in the power delivery as it seemed quite dead down low. I had just got off a Turareg 10 minutes prior and that is very punchy for a small capacity engine but didn’t have the premium feel of the DX.
In my disappointment with the dodgy dealer I purchase a 1000k KTM 790 R 21 model. So far I am really enjoying the ride and playing with all the adjustments and settings. I consider myself a reasonably capable rider, my other current bike is a 21 Ninja 1000sx and I have been riding for 48 years.
The 790 owes me about 21k with the few additions I have made. If I would have taken delivery of the DX it would have cost me about 31k+ to get to the same spec. With reflection I don’t think there’s 10k difference.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
Cheers
im so torn between the DesertX and the Nord901
too many great bikes to choose from.
Good problems to have!
Is the KTM reliable. I've seen a few reviews with cold starting issues with 890's.....my 1190 fails every time below 10⁰C
That's a not a reliability issue. Some of the older models you have to crank over a few extra times in cold weather. It's the fueling. Not reliability. Does it kinda suck? sure.
These bikes are like a surgeon's scalpel: most buyers will use them like a butter knife.
Any comments about ease of servicing and servicing costs and OEM aftermarket parts costs?
Microphone levels completely all over the place, fellahs!
I own both of them and I prefer the desert X.
Nice!
why?
@@jackolbean4765 because the DesertX is much more stable off-road (confidence inspiring) and runs circles around the KTM on the street. One of the other main reasons is because of all the issues I’ve had with KTM… and their customer service sucks ass.
You never owned a KTM - fake news! 😂
Nothing about maintenance? The maintenance of the Ducati looks to be a nightmare so far.
Why? What part of maintenance looks like a nightmare? Valve checks every 30,00Km and 15,000Km oil changes on both bikes. The Ducati actually looks a lot easier to work on, once the tank is removed you have full access to the engine, not so sure about the KTM
Why isn’t anyone mentioning the dealership with the Ducati you got to go to the dealership for everything including air filters adjustment of the chain. The list goes on. They don’t offer you. Any literature or manuals on doing your basic maintenance.
Hanging out in a Ducati dealership is far from the worst way to spend time.
890R is a brilliant performer, I loved the performance of mine, however there is just no getting around mine was a piece of shit... like most other new KTMs I have bought. I am on a Tenere 700 now. Lacking the outright performance by comparison, but I can ride it (since it isn't in the shop waiting for unavailable parts), I can trust it (since stupid things don't happen like a fuel petcock falling apart and spewing gas on the dealership floor during new delivery), the engine sounds great (because I can hear the note rather the clatter from a failing cam chain tensioner), the engine runs on both cylinders even on cold starts without unburnt fuel coming out the exhaust, and I can adjust the controls the way I like them (without interference issues between the the parts I want to adjust).
I have a ducati desert x with a rear auxiliary tank. But i ride it in the outback of Australia so i think it's worth the money. Not many Petrol stations out here.
And how about cleaning the air filter?
Yeah it's not a job you can do on a track very easily. Upgraded to an Australian specific unifilter for that darn bulldust.
Very cool! What's the range like with the aux tank?
The way i ride, I get about another 170kms (100ish miles) extra.
Great video but Ducati electronics are awesome and easy to navigate (though to be fair I ride a Panigale not an adventure bike) once you’ve read the instructions once!
If you can’t be assed to RTFM (Read the F manual) your not in a position to criticise!
The learning curve for the Desert X is 10 mins if you can open the handbook (or download it).
In terms of analysing the bike dynamics I thought it was an excellent review.
Spot on, people need to know their shit before talking about these things. These guys are Moto journalists and left out a bunch of key features. The interrupter dude is a KTM fan boy anyway and was looking for any reason to waive that flag.....I love my KTM's but as a journalist you can't be biased. The Duc is incredible, I got to test ride one. KTM IMHO is the most exciting brand of machines to ride but that Ducati is right there and MUCH better for travel vs the 890R. I got off of the Duc and back onto to my 2021 R1250GS and it felt like a I was riding a mule. I am rarely impressed by bikes these days but that Desert X was a game changer. I have been trying to decide on an adventure bike to sell my BMW for and I was almost 100% that I was going to get the 1290ADV-R. All of the large capacity ADV bikes are just not fun to ride off road. The Ducati is the closet to the big boys in terms of stability and distance comfort. The bonus is that is is lighter, more nimble and simple but just as good for travel.
What holds me back from buying the Ducati is the air filter. Buying the Husqvarna expedition or bmw 900 gs
well shucks, bought the DDX, don't regret it
@@smithy1867😂
Loool nice first reply
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
Thank you very much! I like both of them bikes, but if I could afford the expense I would go for the KTM. Anyway, now I know something more than before about them.
Glad to help!
I was really looking forward to watching this, but I'm struggling to get past the poor audio. Otherwise, nice video work!
Thanks Brian
but the looks on the ducati !!!!! beautiful
Agreed!
Please do a full comparison between all the current adv bikes (Dx, 890 Adv R, Tuareg 660, T7, gs850, etc).
Great review gents. Thank you as I was on the fence with both as the dealerships in Melbourne won’t let you take them off road so this will help me convince my wife, AKA CFO, why I need to spend more and get the Ducati. 👍😎🇦🇺
Good choice!
My completely stock 2022 KTM 890 Adv R with a full tank of gas came in at 463 lbs. Might want to check your scale if you really think it weighs 490 lbs.
Thanks
The Duc doesn't come with the crash bars, bash plate, or exhaust for $14-15k. With all the toys you had it's closer to $18-20k.
It's seems a little Ducati red apples to KTM oranges IMHO.
I own both the DX and the 890 Rally. True, the Ducati is expensive and I ordered mine with the exhaust, EVO map and bought all of the protection stuff. Head to Head the KTM has a better suspension not even close but I added the Tractive suspension (Formerly WP) to the DX which makes the bikes like for like. This makes my DX closer to a $30K bike vs the rally at $21,499....but add a MAP and exhaust and you will be pushing $27K on the 890. Ducati is simply a more expensive brand since they are hand made and use the best parts. I love KTM but Ducati is another level. That being said, with the Tractive suspension the Ducati is better in every way and I suspect the new Rally DX is the same. The DX is much better on road and less twitchy off road. The KTM is phenomenal no doubt but you have to compare like for like. The DX in stock form is more comparable to the KTM 890 Adventure non R....or at least in between the Non R and the R. The 890 Rally is as good as it gets for adventure riding but my DX is even better in its current form. You have to decide which is right for you but if somebody asked me to only have one it would be the DX as it stands.
I love riding my 790, but the reliability sucks.
My 2019 790 is at 16,000 miles and I’ve had no problems with it at all. In fact I’ve not had any reliability problems with any of my KTMs and I’ve owned many. However, I will say KTMs customer service sucks.
Ducati are always Beautiful bikes .. what about the most important aspect .. longevity and reliability ?
That will take a bit to find out since the bike is in it's first model year.
@@cyclenews Could you also please present cost of ownership - service intervals and costs. This is a big deciding factor in the real world. Too many bike comparisons fail to mention this because you journalists are on an all-expenses paid 'which one is best' trip. When it's your own money, different story.
@@barryolaith This information is easy to find. TLDR Ducati is going to cost you far more in service than the KTM over the life of the Bike. Also I don't think service intervals and costs is the big deciding factor on what bike makes you do a double take every time you walk away from it. That's the real deciding factor.
@@barryolaith if money is an issue then you should just get the Aprilla 660 - if you have a dealer close enough - Ducatis are awesome but not meant for the lighter wallets
The choice is clear, keeping my 2x 1190 Adventure! If you go off road, just add knobbies, and Crush bars like I did on one of mine. I am also 6-1, 260.
Enjoyed my 1190 adv. it did everything I was brave enough to do on any surface. The reality is Chris Birch is riding the 1290s like it’s a trials bike; the idea of bike capability isn’t real. It’s all rider. Enjoy friend! The MotoZ tractionator tyres were recommend to me by an instructor.
You simply can’t take a bike that you have to take the fuel tank off to service the air cleaner seriously
So also the KTM 1x90 you can't take seriously?🤣🤣🤣😯
I never understood comments regarding how to handle electronic and buttons when riding a new bike versus others you know for a while ... (probably even without any dealer explanations and/or RTFM)
Sorry but Ducati was making Rallye bikes much before KTM...Cagiva elefant ..350 to 900 fuel inj...late 80's
Can you do a comparison between KTM Duke 890R and Ducati Monster SP?
We'll add it to the list.
Don’t get me wrong. Both of those motorcycles are absolutely gorgeous and you cannot go wrong with purchasing either one of them but you also need a second mortgage to be able to afford it.
Good review. Interesting that you call the 890 reliable... my belief is its anything but.....
Norden 901 expedition is the correct answer.
why? inferior suspension...rebranded KTM anyway.
Ducati has never been there before? They who built the Elefant!
Cagiva built the Elefant, Ducati built the engine for the Elefant ;)
I have owned both KTM and Ducati for decades I would never consider Ducati as equal or better than KTM
Thank you
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
Excellent reviews. You guys are good
Thanks so much!
I noticed you never mentioned the tires. Are you planning to do a review on the Karoo 4 anytime soon?
You can see that test here- www.cyclenews.com/2022/09/article/metzeler-karoo-4-adv-tires/
Would love this review style of 1290S with full tech pack vs MultiV4S covering touring and offroad adv riding.
Adding that to the list!
Any idea where in Colorado the Ducati footage was shot?
What about the air box to hard to work on.
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
What about road manners? These bikes are for roads as well.
As brands go, Ducati is generally more reliable than KTM. I like both bikes and the KTM 690/790/890 have made their mark. But, KTM is good however, Ducati as I said is generally more reliable. Also, unless you ride a Japanese bike as far as availability of dealer maintenance and repairs are concerned, it's easier to find a Ducati dealer than it is a KTM dealer. Get the bike you want but you also have to consider the support model as well.
This is mostly a myth. Ive owned 5 KTMs with no issues whatsoever.
Really? you're dreaming. There are 128 Ducati dealers in the US and 352 KTM dealers
@@Coloradoadvguy if what you say is true cool. I don't have a problem being wrong. But just because you say it doesn't make it so.
The numbers are easily confirmed @@terrarecon
Lol you are VERY wrong when it comes to dealers 😂 I own a desertx , I know there are wayyyy more ktm dealers
Ducati looks better; but just looks!
Guys do the reviews out on the road. All wanna be RUclipsr reviewers doing the same. Sitting in a room, reading the specs and showing the videos / pictures of rides. No fun. Review while riding . Get some nice shots . Test these over different terrains , talk about suspension .
The elephant in the room… the air filter.
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
Try changing an air filter yourself. I’ve watched a video on this and it’s not something you can do in a half an hour like the KTM. Seriously this is a game changer. Search it and watch it you’ll soon know what I am saying.
it is a PITA but worth it promise you - if you only ride in Australia it might be an issue if your not too mechanically inclined - but for me and most adventure riders you only change it maybe twice a year - serious off-road is for the KTM 500/Husk 501 not an adventure bike - most will take forest service roads at best to be real and my KTM 500 sucks on the road
So how does the whole, Ducati violating the Right to repair act, factor into the comparison. How does the average or any person really expect to get to a dealer for every possible reason. Even something as simple as cleaning the air filter is only for dealer maintenance. Wtf!
Just because the manual says refer to Ducati dealer for chain lube doesn’t mean your legally required to!
You aren’t breaking the warranty (at least in Europe where we have consumer law) doing it (properly) yourself or getting something done like cleaning an air filter!
Good video. But my Triumph Tiger 900 better on road than KTM and better offroad than Ducati :)
Nice!
bad audio quality
Thank you
There is no way their weight is similar. I would expect at least a 15-20lbs difference between the two.
the decât kit and pipe make ducati 10 pounds lighter with almost 50 ccs more motor as well
Nice comparison and great work. I love it when folks ask can you do a comparison of so and so? Really like these machines are cheap to buy.
Thanks for the view!
Alright who put the dent in the tank of the DX?
Is KTM capable of making a bike that isn’t fugly.
They look better in person. Maybe they do this to differentiate the brand. You just can't confuse a mantis looking bike with a Honda
If you want a bike that chooses form over function, pick Ducati. I'd rather have a tool that gets the job done, rather than looking beautiful sitting in my toolbox
@@eriknash8783 it’s possible to have your cake and eat it too. Tenere…Africa Twin…BMW to name a few. I hear what you are saying though. I get it.
@@ryanmalcolm8311 This is true. That’s why I have FE501S and I’ll be buying the 2023 890 Adv R as soon as my dealer calls me to says it’s in.
In all honesty, I hated the look of the 890 Adv R until I spent a weekend with a bunch of guys who were all riding them and it grew on me after seeing its capability. I went back and forth over buying one until I saw the release of the 2023. In my opinion, that little change made all the difference for me.
I actually had a Multistrada 950S and enjoyed riding it but the there were too many things that bothered me about the Ducati culture of withholding repair manual and making things like air filter changes too damn complicated. My air filter needed to be replaced every month with the type of riding I do and I got sick of pulling the tank and wearing out plastics in the process
23 model Is better Looking than the Ducati, it's so sweet the new one
Spark arrestor available on that Termignoni? In California unfortunately, still required in a lot of places..
Off topic but not....CFMOTO 800MT build is ok but the KTM 790 motor they use in it, is the worst motor/electronics I have ever ridden, and unfortunately I bought one! It's been back at the dealers more than in my garage or out on the road. CFMOTO refuse to admit that the bike has big issues. KTM have been having QC and fueling issues lately as well. So maybe Ducati should be given a go, if you are in the market but these days just about every manufacturer is having troubles. Maybe it is the fact that they are being pushed by the emissions rules, and the duty of care to baby all riders with their (bike must be stopped to change certain modes etc). Deciding on a bike is now very stressful, and the freedom and joy of riding has left the building, in my opinion. I was looking at the KTM 890 Adventure R until I saw some of the issues, loose steering head bearings, leaking front brake master cylinder cap and the pay to play cost. I know because I also have a 2023 890 Duke GP.
Ducati x is almost the same price as 1250gs, tiger 1200 and Africa twin 1100. It's not worth it
Dude, Back up off the mic.
On a modded Suzuki Dr650, which I feel I would need to keep if pulled the trigger on either of these. Wouldn't want the downtime waiting for parts or service especially with a 6 month riding season where I am. It's currently minus 27°C outside.
I had a well set up DR for several years. Loved it, one of my all time favorites bikes but wanted a 790 R for more street performance while still going off road where I rode the DR. Figured I'd keep the DR for all of it's strengths and benefits but the poor thing sat neglected for almost 2 years since the KTM was so darned exciting to ride. I'd take the DR out once and a while, enjoyed it but when I rode the KTM again, well, the performance is just so intoxicating.
Cool video but bad audio!
Thank you
I'd take either one.
But alas...
I'm 3 months away from paying off my '18 KLR-650 (sexy black on black).....with new tires...and a LeoVince pipe.
Lotto money?
Africa Twin with the manual tranny, tubed tire rims, and smaller tank (cheapest/lightest one)
*as much as i like the Duck, you can't even adjust your own chain 🤬
and the KTM is......
KLR is always a good choice👍
The Ducati manual doesn’t even tell you how to adjust the chain - saids take it to a dealer , same as the oil change .
it doesn't mean it can't be done - must know basic knowledge - BMW has a cd now - no manual
The world is watching. Time to use metric. These bikes were designed using the metric system.
desertx cant compite 890r. wet sump, wheelbase like school bus. ktm dirt bike, you can ride onroad, ducati road bike you can ride offroad.
Good way of putting it
@@cyclenews good way of putting it? That long wheel base serves a specific purpose off road. Maybe take them on real single track and re run the test
long wheel base ? that's a little nitpicky - it halls the mail off-road bud - you obviously own a KTM
Ducati maintenance is a no go for me
It has long service intervals, and is relatively easy to maintain..
If a company could make a bike that kept its ABS off once you change it to off despite turning the bike off and on when on the trail would be great. I will sign a waiver or whatever it takes….these companies make sweet middle weight bikes that can you leave you hanging in technical terrain due to what I think is liability thinking companies. I am looking at a used 790 right now…and I already cringe to think of what if I stall and how I will have to reset the ride mode each time so I can safely navigate a technical trail.
Having owned a 790 and an 890, its worth it to get a used 890 simply for the different engine characteristics. I still own both for friends visiting that want to ride and for a spare. I did the clutch arm upgrade, adjusted the controls, put a tune... These helped but the 890 out of the box is very noticeably less prone to stalling, smoother rpm progression and overall less quirky. The flywheel is too light on the 790 for offroad, or technical areas like filtering through traffic at low speed the thing revs up and back down too fast. The 890 is just better, I and multiple friends rode the 790 and 890 back to back, unanimously the 890 is preferred. hope this is helpful
@@danbrown8295 He is talking about a traction control/ software issue, not engine characteristics. I can personally vouche for the traction control automatically turning back on being a problem. My 890 now has a nice big scratch on it's swingarm due to me forgetting to turn off traction control after restarting my bike while doing hells revenge trail in moab. It's dumb.
No mention of picking bike up off the floor with fuel load in the tank. KTM is easy.
Thank you
@@cyclenews bruh, or whoever is tasked with responded to comments on your YT channel. 'Thanks and thank you,' is not answering questions nor realistically interacting with your followers. It would be nice to see you actually interact with viewers that post questions and or comments. Other than that cyclenews' responses come off as SPAM BOTISH.
It's funny to me how everyone raves about the Desert X but its specs on paper are almost identical to the Honda Africa Twin manual base model. I think people forget that the AT base is a serious offroad weapon. I guess because you mostly see AT's with DCT and electronic suspension that weigh 540lbs.
I love the Desert X but I also want to do my own maintenance.
Yeah. Not getting rid of my Africa Twin for either of these two.
Yea, I was thinking the AT would be more of a head to head with the Duc.
Try it, and you will know more..
The great problem with the AT for Off-road use is the footpegs position, way too advanced. It's very offputting when you ride standing upright.
AT is a dog. over-weight, top-heavy, underpowered, terrible suspension, terrible seat, terrible headlight, tube tires so practically no tire options for a large adv (although heard they went tubeless?),... I had one and promptly sold it.
What a mission to change an air filter.
The concerns with the air filter change accessibility and laboursome task can be overcome by instaling a new carbon fibre tank from Aurora rally equipment. You can then change the air filter in seconds.
You have a mixer board right in front of you and you overdrive your mic? :facepalm:
Stopped watching because of the constant interjections. Poor show.
Thanks
What about he MV Agusta Lucky Explorer??!! ;)
Great show ,from SA
Cheers Clifford
At the end of the day, 5000km far away from home the best bike is the one who still works. That is why i have bullet proof king of reliability - T7. 😜
Oh that knee buster crash bar mount on the Ducati needs to be fixed.
Great review folks.
Here's hoping, KTM finally launches the 790/890 ADV in India as MY2023 models.
28122022
Thanks for the support!
You should 100% jump everything if you ride an 890. It loves it
Maintenance aspect should have been covered.
Thank you. We'll have more in depth details with this bike as we spend more time with it.
…dear lord that audio….. back away from the mic a bit dude. thanks
Noted!
@@cyclenews Audio is fine. the guy above has a bad speaker or something.
@@rouldasse It's absolutely not fine. It sounds muddy and noisy. Like coming out of an old speaker or something.