In IT the word "stress" is usually related to not knowing how to resolve an issue. The more knowledge you have the less stressful it becomes. I remember going from computer to computer doing tasks back when I first started. Now I look back and get upset because a simple script could have saved me so much time and "stress".
@@liljzz8621 A bash script. Example...let's say your boss asks you to add Outlook to 80 computers. You can either go computer to computer and download the software or write a PSEXEC script and automate the task. Automation is the key.
I've worked as a DevOps Engineer, Cloud Engineer, Cybersecurity Engineer, to now in Security auditing. Auditing is very low stress. Just policies, security control assessments, but it's very controlled. It's boring, but easy to me and you can still get the high pay as a DevOps engineer without the tech stuff lol.
@@myway8950 Not really. I can see being in technical roles for most of my career makes auditing extremely easy for me because I was on the other side once upon a time implementing the security controls. I don't really miss "fast paced" because I was stressed lol. Always on call and working long hours. I like being in the position of telling someone something is not implemented and kindly asking them to fix it lol. I prefer boring, high paying, and working remote. This allows me to work on other things outside of my main job.
I just got my first helpdesk job recently but am still training haven't started on tickets yet. It's remote so I feel the perk of being at home is awesome, once I start doing tickets will it feel awful? I can't imagine it's more stressful than when I used to work in the medical field which feels like you're always rushing through tons of patients and stressful situations everyday while understaffed.
I just started in help desk too and it’s stressful, we support so many things and get lots of backlash from other tiers and depts that haven’t gotten back to users.
Very true, started my first help desk in June for a third party IT and the amount of hassle to take calls and check creds and follow up task within a few hours is what drove me find another job quickly. The new job I started in October is way better in terms of manager and coworker being helpful and giving you time to do said tasks.
0:09 HEY! That's me😁 Never had a question directly answered by a video. Thanks a lot, Josh👍 Edit: I totally get what you're saying about having control in your job and not having to rely on others. As a college student right now, I always hate having to do group work for that very reason!
Great video, Josh! As someone who works in cybersecurity as a SIEM Engineer/Admin for an MSSP, this resonates with me so much. I've been in this role for a year but it feels like double that amount of time already. The stress has been immense and the tickets are endless. Within just my first 4 months I watched 11 engineers quit out of a ~35 person team. I quickly went from being the new guy to now being one of the more "senior" engineers. We manage the security for hundreds of medium and large companies so I will often have 30 tickets/projects in my queue every week which makes it a challenge to manage communications, prioritize projects, and complete tickets before more get assigned since much of the work requires communication from others to complete. The pay has been nice considering I had no cybersecurity experience prior and had never touched a SIEM. Started out at 70k and got a 30k raise after 6 months and expecting another raise soon. The experience has been extremely valuable but this is not something I can sustain long term. I'm still new in this career so I'm not sure yet what I would want to or could pivot into next. Getting into coding sounds nice but is also intimidating.
70k to 100k with no experience?! Damn I’m jealous good stuff man I’m at 50k in a support position my 2nd one really first one was 30k, looking to upgrade soon
Sounds awesome man, like the kind of thing I’d like. Im taking the google cybersecurity certificate course and the security+ after. Any other suggestions? I have no background in IT, I’m a union Ironworker, 12 years in the industry but due to lack of work and a belief that the industry is only going to get worse i made this decision, which has been in my mind for sometime.
Jobs with the least stress is anything remote that doesn't deal with customer service. Help desk sucks because you have to be at your desk the whole shift if calls come in. My current cyber job is great because we have a great team and have one person each week take care of issues/tickets so that's the most stressful for that week but the rest of the time you just work on projects and just get your work done and no one cares how long you work
What type of Cyber Security are you involved in? I am at the beginning of my IT journey, and eventually I would like to work in a remote position that does not have a lot of stress involved, and allows me to be productive.
Been a software engineer for over a decade. It pays well but is often high stress. Work life balance suffers as well. But it all really depends on the company, team, and project.
I find it also greatly varies on the place also. I work in healthcare IT and the work-life balance is great, although I don't get paid as well as if I were working the same position at a FAANG company - I also deal with much, much less stress and more authority. Scarce resources and shitty computers aside, I've worked for 4 hospital systems now and all of them have a big focus on enjoying your job (Although the execs are clueless).
I work in healthcare IT. Very true this is one of the stress free jobs in IT. I recently moved from hospital to another as systems admin/desktop engineer.
To me it depends on the environment that you're working at. Small vs large companies, the size of the IT department, resources to go to, and so on. Small companies working in IT you're probably going to wear a lot of hats dealing with various kinds of issues that could lead to a lot of stress.
Tier II/Tier3 is most likely the best work life balance...pay is between 50 and 110k and you can be off by 4pm and headed home...very little after hours work...sometimes you have snippy users who need your help...but that generally never turns into a major concern as long as you are professional with them..
Also, it's easier to get a job in IT with an associate's degree than to get a job as a developer or cyber security analyst. I am in school for Computer Science, but I might change my major to IT, get the associate's, then go back and work on Computer Science. My brother got his associate's in IT last year and he got hit up by a recruiter around two weeks after graduating. Now he gets calls non stop. It's different with cyber and programming. They generally want you to have a bachelor's degree along with projects to prove you know what you are doing. Considering that I don't live with my parents and I split an apartment with my brother, I need to take the route thats going to make me money faster first.
I honestly don’t think thats necessarily true. I think having project’s or certs is mainly what they look at and the thing is theres more and more IT jobs then they can fill all you need to do is spam applications and one of them will hit because the IT field will be forever growing. Getting a As and BS in computer programing is pretty challenging way more than IT i would say
It is worth noting that the Software market is crashing right now. That isn't to say that there are no jobs, but it is much much harder to get a job at the entry level. IT doesn't seem to have as many entry level roadblocks right now.
I don't feel like cyber security fits so well into one box... you could be doing vulnerability management, pen testing, incident response, identity access management, firewall administration, security awareness training, or any combination of those and more. The level of stress is as much about the way the organization operates as it is your role within the organization too it seems.
Yeah, I feel you are 100% correct about this. I just tried to share my personal experiences but for sure it depends on what/where and stuff. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts ^^
@@JoshMadakor Thanks for the reply, Josh! I do agree with your analysis of these roles in a more general sense. With the people I know in cyber security roles though and even in the roles I've been in myself, there seems to be quite the range in level and type of stress associated.
I have to disagree with alot of what's said. I've done alof of cybersecurity and some cloud and its been pretty low stress. Help desk got the most calls and least respect from people. I'm currently a pentester and its low stress and fully remote.
@@CyberNinja6969, clearly there are exceptions. I was also in a pretty low stress cyber security job for several years. Sometimes I wish I wouldn't have left for more money. I still think Josh's comparison holds true within the companies I have worked at.
@@CyberNinja6969 I Came across a video this morning about Cyber Security and Vulnerability testing. He mentioned that you don’t necessarily need certifications but going through a training program would help you land a job. What are your thoughts?
From the research that I've done, being a QA engineer, either manual or automation, but especially manual, is low stress. Its actually been voted the number two least stressful Tech job in the country, via Forbes. I'm considering pursuing it
Yes, that is true. I've been doing software testing for the past 5 years now, at both enterprise and startup companies. Prior to that, started in IT as tech support and did some DevOps work for a cybersecurity startup. I'd say it depends on the company. Yes, as a QA engineer the stress is lower and work-life balance better than most cybersec and IT jobs. BUT there's also crap that comes with QA work too (ie: needing to test multiple features/user stories within a short timeframe, difficult managers, toxic work environment, etc). I agree with Josh - jobs that involve coding do tend to be more relaxed (except for DevOps lol). Best wishes on your QA journey!
@@intentionalgreatness An opportunity presented itself at my company when i was in tech support. The dev manager knew i wanted to be a developer (at that time) and there was a QA opening. He thought i was great for the role, so I switched to QA. Prior to that, I had no idea about QA. For me, i learned everything on the job. If that's something you're interested in doing, watch a few youtube videos or the udemy course is fine. Learn the fundamentals to get your foot in the door as a manual tester and go from there.
@@elise4517 Hello Elise, I just saw your message, so pardon the delayed response. Thank you so much for your insight! Difficult managers and or toxic work environments (if you are remote) is not that common, correct? Do you have certain questions that you ask during the interview process that can help you weed out a toxic work environment, even if it's remote? Thank you.
Yeah it depends on a lot of things. On my case, I am moving from coding to pentesting (I always had a passion on hacking field, since I was a teenager). My job as a software engineer was a hell. Work on a trash code, with horribles deadlines, being underpaid and cannot have any energy in the end of the day. I had the worse experience on my life, breaking a production app with a bug that could not be reproduceble. I mean, work on frontline as a software engineering is for me way more stressing than analyzing issues. I hope I find myself on this new field.
great decision. I dont do pentest but if you were a swe, pentesting will be much more fulfilling than making rich guys richer with their specific commercial apps
@bhupendra1581 Hi! I am very happy with it! I was anxious at the beginning but the programming experience made the rump up easier. The best change I see is that I don't think about the job at my day offs (weekend, vacation). Also, I spend less energy at work, allowing me to study and do my hobbies after work
I totally agree that defensive cybersecurity is very stressful. Getting people to cooperate can be very hard, especially when they lack incentive, which is often the case because cybersecurity folks are often hired by people who don’t understand cybersecurity, and they are not given the proper level of authority to bring an organization into compliance. There is also a common perception that security is easy, when in fact it can be difficult due to the extreme volume of low- to medium-effort activities (death by a thousand cuts) and the ambiguity of requirements within security standards and auditing frameworks (SOC 2 being especially horrendous in that regard).
If you are going to work help desk don’t work tier 1 as that is the most stressful in my opinion just based on my experience. Tier 2 or 3 tends to be less stressful because you are usually not getting back to back calls. And don’t get me started on not being on the phone when you’re supposed to in the case of a restroom break.
Those are Sub-Tier levels with in Help Desk. You are still on the Help Desk as a Level 1 role. Tier 2 is Desktop Support and Tier 3 is the Network and Sysadmins.. You can technically skill help Desk all together and jump to Tier 2.
I found doing IT for the Army not/hardly stressful (surprising I know). Most of the stress comes from doing actual Army stuff that doesn't necessarily include your job.
Ah yeah, that's pretty much what I've been reading. I considered joining for a long time, but I was too much of a B to go through with it, so props to you :)
Thats kinda the secret almost any gov job pays will and doesn’t require nearly as much work as say work in the public/private industry government just loves to waste money 😂
Worked as an on prem sys admin early in my career for awhile and man it was a pain, Patch tuesdays, Nagios beeping all through the damn night, backup/restore, exchange/sql taking a dump just to make your day that much harder, random issues with ADFS..and then the users.. Athough I do miss the hands on tech tinkering and the the old team, I don't think I would go back to that, but then, with copilot integration all that is probably going to be a thing of the past, who knows. I would say, something like GRC is a lot process driven and less stressful but monotonous at times.
To be honest, I don't think there isn't any roles in IT that doesn't have stress. Even when you start getting into Tier 3 as a Network Engineer or Systems Administrators, the stress level increases once some thing breaks as you are constantly putting out fires being on-call 24/7. I work in Tier 2 role above Help Desk as there is some level of stress meeting a quota of closed tickets a day or once some thing breaks that's urgent, you can't go home until is fixed. I also facilitate Tier 3 with server and network issues in the server room with hands and eyes even after hours when infrastructure issues occurs.
Hello and thanks for that comment. Just one question what do you think about the same topic in networking but applied to call center?. Cisco TAC for example...
I'm 17 looking to get into coding but i'm looking for a field where I can have a life outside my job ive seen a lot of videos and it seems even when they are not on the job they are still working to understand I dont mind the stress while im working but i would like to have a work life balance where I can be a family man and have time for my family
Ultimately, depends on company’s culture and industry. The jobs that prioritize anything close to 24/7 365 support are usually more demanding of your personal time. The Jobs that are literally fixing problems all the time can be stressful. The jobs where your wearing multiple hats tend to be both stressful and demanding. I could go on.
I've worked IT Support and Help desk like roles in the beginning and Frontend Development has been the least stressful...not having to run people down for access or info or waiting on others to do your task makes it a lot less stressful
@@ArchaicCreationsbp Honestly if you were going that route I would take coursera's Frontend and backend certificates and do javascript masteries free bootcamps on RUclips and post about them on Social Media or look up coding phase on RUclips and take his email developer bootcamp course...Email development is like a starter job to help get into web dev
I worked for almost four years as help desk and the stress is seasonal. Also a lot depends on what size of the organization you work. It can be pretty stressful
Based on what I have worked, I feel that Cyber GRC may be the least “stressful”. However, it gets to be soul-sucking, in my opinion. As you said, you also have to rely on others doing their job, which can also be hit and miss. Obviously, a LAN Admin or Vulnerability Management position may be more “stressful” but I ultimately had a better sense of pride and job satisfaction in those roles, where I troubleshot actual problems and made things happen. Some people might crave a boring, “stable” job. Good for them. Some like new challenges. Just because a job is easy, doesn’t mean you’ll be happier.
Super helpful Video, I have 6 years in Front-end dev, and I was wondering If there were other Tech areas I could be a in a better position, now I can see I am already in one of the best ones lol
I'm currently helpdesk and the stressful part is when there's nothing to do lmao. I work at a bank and they gave me the corner of the office with no cubicle so everyone can see that I'm doing absolutely nothing at times and I have to make up some psudo-important stuff to pull up on my screen.
Haha, I feel you on that. Honestly if I were you, I would just start coding a lot of study something where it looks like I'm doing work. lmao. Get a lot of skill/certs :O). In fact, that's what I did in my previous job
I’m in exact scenario as you. On a side note, I’m not sure I want to deal with service tickets for the remainder of my career. I was initially looking into cloud computing but now I’m not so sure.
🙄🤦♂️ now I see this video after taking the google cyber security course because you had another video about cyber security 😂 I was just about to buy your cyber security course. So your It course the better course? 🤔
Software Dev is very stressful especially if the company is not organised; knowledge base is not really what you depend on but you’ll have to think outside the box. I would say Business Analysis, Scrum Master and IT Project Support roles are the least stressful.
Yup, being a software developer is like being a research scientist but without the respect and glamor (and usually without the pay): You're daily having to teach yourself something new just to get the job done, and there's a lot of trial and error and shots in the dark. Sometimes you discover late that you've been blindly barking up a wrong tree, and you have to start over from scratch on a project.
I'm an IT PM. I think there are different kinds of stress. I have to deal with people-related and team performance-related stress. Your PMs are supposed to protect you from the noise and internal-external disturbance so that you can focus on the work that matters. To be honest, I feel PM work is very stressful and have caused me to age very quickly. I want to see if I can get into BA work or pivot into a technical role that's project-oriented (non-IT Support) so I don't get bored.
Currently work as a NOC Engineer, but the actual work is basically help desk. It’s stressful in the fall because the company is busy during that time (printing). But it’s alright during the spring.
Work as am IT Analyst for the government. Fortunately, I have a boss who has been pretty lenient, flexible, and I rarely even see or talk to her (100% telecommute). Worked previously as a NOC technician, helpdesk tech, tech and support agent for the past ten years. It's very monotonous at times. I'm handling that challenge by doing things like earning certs outside of work and am looking at getting a degree of some sort. The money is decent because the city pays based upon experience. The work is underwhelming easy and familiar (this is nice but breeds complacency and stunts growth). Lastly, I've got lots of autonomy. The shift kinda sucks (weekends) but I'm not complaining. I see myself staying here for a while but need to update my skillet.
cyber here, get what you're saying 100% to do with the place been through 4 different places til i found one that appreciated and dedicated enough budget to cybersecurity to make our lifes and jobs easier
A Cloud Architect or Security Architect can be lower stress. You’re not on call or responding to incidents. You’re designing and securing infrastructure from an architecture/guidance standpoint. It can be busy at times, but more freedom
I would say working help desk at a MSP can be high stress depending on the size of the MSP. And work life balance can suffer. For instance, if you work for a smaller MSP you are on call a lot. My last job I was on call for all of our clients 1 week a month. The MSP I am at now is a lot larger so were only on call 1 week a year.
Sorry for asking questions on a video released 7 months ago, and really if anyone sees this question, feel free to answer. Soft skills aside, which position would you recommend for the least amount of human contact? Obviously not help desk, but out of software engineering, cloud support, cybersecurity, sys admin, network admin, etc which is the lease collaborative? I don't lack soft skills, but I definitely struggle to work closely with others. Computers don't stress me out nearly as much as people do 😅 I prefer to sort of just be given a queue or something to monitor and be left alone until we have a meeting or something. Anyone have suggestions?
@@epicotakugamer4930 So far it seems like soc analyst is a good option. There’s meetings and paperwork but it seems like the major of the core work is monitoring. Pretty solo.
This is a great question. I'm a systems administrator for an MSP and I have very little interaction with clients. I also only have my weekly 1 on 1 with my boss, but other than that, I don't have any reoccurring meetings.
Hey Josh, great video. Just want to let you know that the term “go postal” is taboo in the mail delivery world. It’s a reference to a disgruntled USPS employee shooting up a post office…
Someone needs to take a chill pill and give people the benefit of the doubt. This world has become so hypersensitive taking all the fun out of just speaking. Thank you Josh for doing a great job.
Management only care about metrics if your resolving tech issues in real-time on the phone you must meet the metrics, if not your fired, very stressful. You can not meet metrics eventhough you solve the issue and left a positive experience with the user. I would imagine working on support tickets is alot less tressful. I don't know the metrics for IT support ticket work.
A+ by itself doesn't do much for you - it's honestly too basic unless you're going to be literally repairing computers (a dwindling industry). You need to stack it with Network+, Security+ (trifecta) or others for it to really have an impact on your prospects for 2024-type jobs. if you're just planning to get that 1 cert and no others, I wouldn't do it. Source: trust me bro. (Kidding) Having an IT background and currently just A+ cert has not done anything for me yet. I'm about to take Network+, then Sec+.
I m working as it support executive in a startup company only solving hardware related issues by this i can't take rest even on sunday's some or the other calls will be there, so i decided to shift the job but i don't know what to do is there any software jobs where i can do only software part by considering my previous job (IT support executive) experience i m ready to learn coding also i just need a path ?
There are definitely jobs you can do purely remote, but it's hard to say. If I were you, I would drive deep into cloud and start doing a bunch of projects, getting used to cloud technology and architecture, then start implementing coding as much as you can to do stuff. GPT can for sure help with this
I guess there are use cases for both. I had to do manual code review in an AWS interview lol. ideally both should be happening, most software companies will do a manual code review process before putting code into production, then ideally there will be some kind of DAST/SAST platform doing tests as well. I haven't really worked in a proper, hardcore SWE team, but only a small one where we did manual code reviews hehe
Would you know of any companies that are known good to work for? Or companies known to hire chat agents, not having to talk all day long on the phone? Like Fortune 500 ones. Talking all day is exhausting.
Software Engineering is no where near "Less Stress", of course it depends on the company, but in most companies the deadlines are crazy, the management and investors are crazy, and they want you to justify your high pay.
I started out thinking my cybersecurity is not all that stressful at all, and then you started listing why it's stressful and I'm thinking. "oh yeah, I guess there is that. Oh.. yeah that too..." lol I guess it is a mindset, The biggest aspect is you can get in real trouble when someone else doesn't perform a task correctly. Also compliance work when your assessor sometimes does not understand how a system works and adds requirements that are not plausible or sensical for that type of system. You get stuck in a loop.
Hey man really liked this video thank you! - I wanted to ask as someone who has no background in IT or tech, where do you think is a good place to start? My values moving forward are: low stress, can work remote and pays relatively well, doesnt require huge amounts of money to star and lastly where i can maintain sustainable employment i.e stability. I'd really appreciate your insight! YH
As a person thinking of transitioning I've been waiting for some experienced person to answer this question. 0:56 So GRC is more stressfull?? wow that's surprising. Was looking at auditor, QA, vulnerability specialist, Information Compliance Security and a few others. Want something i can go at my own pace, with a fairly consistent educational process and application. I wish your answer was more in depth, but thanks a lot. I'll give your coding vid a look.
@JoshMadakor Sorry so late to your video but Why did you list CyberSecurity on the low stress side of the screen when you actually said the opposite about it?😮 Also forgive if I come across a tad bit slow but did you mean Sys Admid as in System Administration?
I would love some advice. I have experience with computers but my certifications, knowledge and experience are about 20 years old. My A+ is GFL so I still have that but would need to get other education/certifications. I haven't worked in about 8 years due to having to take care of family but I am now able to go back to work. I am wanting to know which path I should focus on that would allow me to get a good paying job as quickly as possible. Should I go for network/security or for coding?
Now I’m thinking of stopping my cyber journey and focus back on coding or development lol.. I really don’t want to be dealing with people. Meetings is ok, but being always the go to person is not cool. Now if it pays 150k annually then maybe but only a few years to pay bills couldn’t have a high stress job forever
@@JoshMadakor hahaha.. I thought that would be fun it’s technically your own business a brand. All jokes aside, I’m sure that if I worked hard towards my goals, then my true calling will come. Jobs with higher salaries from my experience have more responsibilities since more seniority. I watched the video where you mentioned jumping from one job to another, but you built experience in new technologies and applied those new skills to the next roles. All in all, Josh your videos keep me motivated and to keep going!! 🙏 🫡
yeah I'm an InfoSec analyst, get scheduled with a good 12 hours of audits/RAs every day and its miserable. red teaming doesn't look bad though but yeah thats what everyone wants to be .
Say I'm a bit of the opposite. I do best in roles where I can lead, delegate, coordinate, and support teams in success. I would be far less happy in a pure text solo role. I could do it, but would be less motivated and happy, so that would make me stressed.
Thank so much! Idk if I'm qualified to make that kinda video lol. I can think about it though, I think people would really like to watch it. I will put it in my TODOs
Do entry level cloud jobs exists? Id imagine cloud could be one of the few careers where personal projects are highly valuable if you don’t have experience. Also , Happy Thanksgivings to the InfoSec 🐐
What do you think about pentesting/ethical hacking? I always assumed it would be lower stress than other cybersecurity jobs but I don't know very much about it.
Hey Annie, My thoughts on pen testing...Roll in, break some stuff, write a report, and let the nerd client worry about fixing it and then dip. lmao. I haven't officially don pen testing before, but it seems like a pretty sweet deal and low stress
I've been kinda looking into it myself. So far the majority of people tend to say that it's all fun and games till you have to do the report writing part! lol And it can be in various forms such as an actual "physical" penetration gaining access to buildings or restricted areas that require special access etc. Even saw a video some months ago that involved actual "lockpicking" a door. Network penetration of course is what's most commonly thought of which is exactly what it sounds like without going into too much detail. There are many who also differentiate between "Pentesting" and "Ethical Hacking". I recommend checking out: "The Cyber Mentor", "Hackersploit", and "John Hammond" to name a few of the most popular experts on the subject.
Shoot. I did not know that cyber is high stress.... I just spent like 7-8 months doing cyber in a bootcamp. I wish I knew that prior to my starting in this field...
It really depends honestly, but I imagine offsec would be really comfy. Just go in, find stuff that's broken, break stuff, write a report, and dip, I haven't done it though, but that's my image of it lol.
Pentesting or offensive cyber is well paid and often hybrid or fully remote. Pentesting and or cloud are usually both well paid and often remote. Pentesting isn't really a job you deal with customers much except presenting your findings and explaining it to non technical people.
I think solutions architect is probably lower stress than Devops. Solutions Architect would likely be architecting solutions/designs where as devops, by nature, deals directly with operations. Anything with operations has the possibility of stressful/time constrained situations.
Wow love this vid, I got an admissions overview at 10am today ironically for a IT program literally. Excited yet curious to what’s to come, anybody into software engineering? Great content Josh
I’m almost done with school in December. I honestly am not sure what I may go after first. I should have a couple of certs as well once done. But coming from a background in nursing and in my 40’s now. I could handle the stress but don’t necessarily prefer a high stress job. But it seems like just starting off I may have to take the high stress jobs until I can gain work experience. Or is there another route?
Look up Field Service Technician or Field Service Engineer 👌. Usually requires some type of driving around and fixing stuff: www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22field+service+engineer%22
If you know some web dev... the app sec field of cyber is pretty good... you're not fixing the code... you're pointing out flaws in the code for the developers to fix
Hey Josh, would you say your current role is more front end? Or more focused on something like powershell scripting and automation? Also what would you say your role title is technically called? I couldn't really find "cloud automation engineer" on indeed but found more like "cyber security engineer" or "cloud engineer" postings.
Hey Cody, Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/S7hfgPG2AXk/видео.html I would say my role is a mixture of back end and front end. Lost of moving data around (ETL), then more recently I also got assigned some front-end responsibilities as well. But the FE is REALLY weird for my current job. I'm managing some web app called DocAssemble which uses python and YAML to control the front end. Very weird. All back end stuff is in Python too, with some occasional PowerShell
Do you have any thoughts about the CASP+? Is it worth doing it? I am kinda in a doubtful situation because I am not sure if I should go towards a cyber security or Devops route. This decision would really depend on the certs I pursue. I feel like cyber security is a bit easier path compared to devops as there is a lot of automation to do. Competition is also quite high in Devops compared to cyber security. Lowest stress comes with a lot of coding practices I guess?
are you working remotely in japan working for company in another country? I kinda wanted to do that, just wondering how you manage to let your company do that if u do
Nice video,I work as a system engineer and sometimes I m thinking to buy 10 goats and move to a log cabin. Seriously now, Im about to change my career and not sure if cybersecurity will save me over
Since you have experience I want to ask you. I have an IT Bachelors Degree, 2 years of IT Helpdesk/Specialist II experience, Security+, CISA (passed exam don't have experience requirement), and am studying for the CRISC currently. Roughly how much can I expect to make with No GRC experience before getting the CRISC as of right now and after I get it? From different sources it seems consistent I'd be able to get 6 figures or close to it with these things on my side currently, am I correct? Your insight would be appreciated.
@@nahidsarker69 It requires 5 years experience (3 years of which can be waived if you meet certain requirements) to have the full cert/CISA designation. But you don’t need that 5 years experience to be able to take the exam, though it would’ve probably taken me less time studying if I already had that experience, also once you pass it (which is the hardest part) you can put it on your resume that you passed. I did also pass the CRISC after it and that has a 3 year experience requirement w/ no waiver for the full CRISC designation, but not to sit for the exam. That’s also something on my resume now. Hope that clears things up
@@ichigo8000 i understand bro,thank u so much for replying and giving me this information that i have never known before today and one more thing to know plz..can anyone do the same with cissp too??
@@nahidsarker69 I believe so, I think for the CISSP, if you pass it w/o having the experience requirement, they'll give you the Junior Associate CISSP or something like that from ISC2. I think Josh might have a video on it too lol.
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How does data analyst/data scientist compare?
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In IT the word "stress" is usually related to not knowing how to resolve an issue. The more knowledge you have the less stressful it becomes. I remember going from computer to computer doing tasks back when I first started. Now I look back and get upset because a simple script could have saved me so much time and "stress".
lol! that makes alot of sense
script?? wym by script. (i dont know anything abt cyber)
@@liljzz8621 A bash script. Example...let's say your boss asks you to add Outlook to 80 computers. You can either go computer to computer and download the software or write a PSEXEC script and automate the task. Automation is the key.
@@liljzz8621 scripts are lines of code that automate a task, people usually write scripts on repetitive tasks
There's beauty in the process 🤝
I've worked as a DevOps Engineer, Cloud Engineer, Cybersecurity Engineer, to now in Security auditing. Auditing is very low stress. Just policies, security control assessments, but it's very controlled. It's boring, but easy to me and you can still get the high pay as a DevOps engineer without the tech stuff lol.
How can I get started?
Thanks for sharing this James, I've heard from a couple people that auditing is low stress. I can start recommending this to people haha
Do you miss the tech stuff? because it is so fast paced compared to Auditing
@@JoshMadakor yep, very very low stress. I don't mind boring work that pays me six figures lol.
@@myway8950 Not really. I can see being in technical roles for most of my career makes auditing extremely easy for me because I was on the other side once upon a time implementing the security controls. I don't really miss "fast paced" because I was stressed lol. Always on call and working long hours. I like being in the position of telling someone something is not implemented and kindly asking them to fix it lol. I prefer boring, high paying, and working remote. This allows me to work on other things outside of my main job.
As someone who is embarking on their IT journey, I really appreciate your perspective.
What are you pursuing ?
helldesk can be stressful depending on the company, manager and coworkers. It's not that bad but avoid toxic environments.
Big true on this one, it really depends :), ty for the comment!
I just got my first helpdesk job recently but am still training haven't started on tickets yet. It's remote so I feel the perk of being at home is awesome, once I start doing tickets will it feel awful? I can't imagine it's more stressful than when I used to work in the medical field which feels like you're always rushing through tons of patients and stressful situations everyday while understaffed.
@Cody Marshall it depends on the company. You have to experience the job to see how it is.
I just started in help desk too and it’s stressful, we support so many things and get lots of backlash from other tiers and depts that haven’t gotten back to users.
Very true, started my first help desk in June for a third party IT and the amount of hassle to take calls and check creds and follow up task within a few hours is what drove me find another job quickly. The new job I started in October is way better in terms of manager and coworker being helpful and giving you time to do said tasks.
0:09 HEY! That's me😁
Never had a question directly answered by a video. Thanks a lot, Josh👍
Edit: I totally get what you're saying about having control in your job and not having to rely on others. As a college student right now, I always hate having to do group work for that very reason!
Such a great question
Great video, Josh!
As someone who works in cybersecurity as a SIEM Engineer/Admin for an MSSP, this resonates with me so much. I've been in this role for a year but it feels like double that amount of time already. The stress has been immense and the tickets are endless. Within just my first 4 months I watched 11 engineers quit out of a ~35 person team. I quickly went from being the new guy to now being one of the more "senior" engineers. We manage the security for hundreds of medium and large companies so I will often have 30 tickets/projects in my queue every week which makes it a challenge to manage communications, prioritize projects, and complete tickets before more get assigned since much of the work requires communication from others to complete.
The pay has been nice considering I had no cybersecurity experience prior and had never touched a SIEM. Started out at 70k and got a 30k raise after 6 months and expecting another raise soon. The experience has been extremely valuable but this is not something I can sustain long term. I'm still new in this career so I'm not sure yet what I would want to or could pivot into next. Getting into coding sounds nice but is also intimidating.
I want to switch from Env. Eng into the cyber security engineering industry and STEM genre in general. Any advice pls??
70k to 100k with no experience?! Damn I’m jealous good stuff man I’m at 50k in a support position my 2nd one really first one was 30k, looking to upgrade soon
Was it hard to get the job initially with no experience? Any tips or advice on how a noob to the industry can get in?
Sounds awesome man, like the kind of thing I’d like. Im taking the google cybersecurity certificate course and the security+ after. Any other suggestions? I have no background in IT, I’m a union Ironworker, 12 years in the industry but due to lack of work and a belief that the industry is only going to get worse i made this decision, which has been in my mind for sometime.
Nice! What was you path in getting into CS with no experience? Degrees? Any certs?
Jobs with the least stress is anything remote that doesn't deal with customer service. Help desk sucks because you have to be at your desk the whole shift if calls come in. My current cyber job is great because we have a great team and have one person each week take care of issues/tickets so that's the most stressful for that week but the rest of the time you just work on projects and just get your work done and no one cares how long you work
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. honestly project work is the best, especially if you are quick and efficient ^^
What type of Cyber Security are you involved in? I am at the beginning of my IT journey, and eventually I would like to work in a remote position that does not have a lot of stress involved, and allows me to be productive.
I have been wanting to get into SOC but reading your post makes me rethink that lol
Whats your position in your current cyber job ?
What is your position? What type of industry?
Been a software engineer for over a decade. It pays well but is often high stress. Work life balance suffers as well. But it all really depends on the company, team, and project.
Do you think AI will replace your job?
Been a software engineer for over a decade? Damn you should have building your own startup by now
@@Aleyda-Alhope yes, but I think no 😂.
@@Aleyda-Alno
I find it also greatly varies on the place also. I work in healthcare IT and the work-life balance is great, although I don't get paid as well as if I were working the same position at a FAANG company - I also deal with much, much less stress and more authority. Scarce resources and shitty computers aside, I've worked for 4 hospital systems now and all of them have a big focus on enjoying your job (Although the execs are clueless).
"Although the excecs are clueless lmfao"
thanks for sharing :)
What is your role if you don’t mind me asking? I an in healthcare and want to get into tech
Healthcare IT is generally not good w/l balance. Everything is urgent. STAT or affecting patient care.
If you're in a dept that's mon fri 9 to 5 sure.
I heard this exact thing from someone in real life abt the healthcare sector
I work in healthcare IT. Very true this is one of the stress free jobs in IT. I recently moved from hospital to another as systems admin/desktop engineer.
To me it depends on the environment that you're working at. Small vs large companies, the size of the IT department, resources to go to, and so on. Small companies working in IT you're probably going to wear a lot of hats dealing with various kinds of issues that could lead to a lot of stress.
Tier II/Tier3 is most likely the best work life balance...pay is between 50 and 110k and you can be off by 4pm and headed home...very little after hours work...sometimes you have snippy users who need your help...but that generally never turns into a major concern as long as you are professional with them..
Yeah I can def see this. A bit high-ish up, but still an individual contributor :)
I’m subbing on the sole factor that you recapped everything at the end of the video lol
Also, it's easier to get a job in IT with an associate's degree than to get a job as a developer or cyber security analyst. I am in school for Computer Science, but I might change my major to IT, get the associate's, then go back and work on Computer Science. My brother got his associate's in IT last year and he got hit up by a recruiter around two weeks after graduating. Now he gets calls non stop. It's different with cyber and programming. They generally want you to have a bachelor's degree along with projects to prove you know what you are doing. Considering that I don't live with my parents and I split an apartment with my brother, I need to take the route thats going to make me money faster first.
I honestly don’t think thats necessarily true. I think having project’s or certs is mainly what they look at and the thing is theres more and more IT jobs then they can fill all you need to do is spam applications and one of them will hit because the IT field will be forever growing. Getting a As and BS in computer programing is pretty challenging way more than IT i would say
what positions are the recruiters trying to pitch to your bother?
Are u working on cyber or software sector? Which field do you work on
It is worth noting that the Software market is crashing right now. That isn't to say that there are no jobs, but it is much much harder to get a job at the entry level. IT doesn't seem to have as many entry level roadblocks right now.
I don't feel like cyber security fits so well into one box... you could be doing vulnerability management, pen testing, incident response, identity access management, firewall administration, security awareness training, or any combination of those and more. The level of stress is as much about the way the organization operates as it is your role within the organization too it seems.
Yeah, I feel you are 100% correct about this. I just tried to share my personal experiences but for sure it depends on what/where and stuff. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts ^^
@@JoshMadakor Thanks for the reply, Josh! I do agree with your analysis of these roles in a more general sense. With the people I know in cyber security roles though and even in the roles I've been in myself, there seems to be quite the range in level and type of stress associated.
I have to disagree with alot of what's said. I've done alof of cybersecurity and some cloud and its been pretty low stress. Help desk got the most calls and least respect from people. I'm currently a pentester and its low stress and fully remote.
@@CyberNinja6969, clearly there are exceptions. I was also in a pretty low stress cyber security job for several years. Sometimes I wish I wouldn't have left for more money. I still think Josh's comparison holds true within the companies I have worked at.
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Came across a video this morning about Cyber Security and Vulnerability testing. He mentioned that you don’t necessarily need certifications but going through a training program would help you land a job. What are your thoughts?
From the research that I've done, being a QA engineer, either manual or automation, but especially manual, is low stress. Its actually been voted the number two least stressful Tech job in the country, via Forbes. I'm considering pursuing it
Thanks for this! Sounds promising tbh
Yes, that is true. I've been doing software testing for the past 5 years now, at both enterprise and startup companies. Prior to that, started in IT as tech support and did some DevOps work for a cybersecurity startup.
I'd say it depends on the company. Yes, as a QA engineer the stress is lower and work-life balance better than most cybersec and IT jobs. BUT there's also crap that comes with QA work too (ie: needing to test multiple features/user stories within a short timeframe, difficult managers, toxic work environment, etc). I agree with Josh - jobs that involve coding do tend to be more relaxed (except for DevOps lol). Best wishes on your QA journey!
@@elise4517 how did you get started in software testing? I've been doing a udemy course but not sure what else to do.
@@intentionalgreatness An opportunity presented itself at my company when i was in tech support.
The dev manager knew i wanted to be a developer (at that time) and there was a QA opening. He thought i was great for the role, so I switched to QA.
Prior to that, I had no idea about QA. For me, i learned everything on the job.
If that's something you're interested in doing, watch a few youtube videos or the udemy course is fine. Learn the fundamentals to get your foot in the door as a manual tester and go from there.
@@elise4517 Hello Elise, I just saw your message, so pardon the delayed response. Thank you so much for your insight! Difficult managers and or toxic work environments (if you are remote) is not that common, correct? Do you have certain questions that you ask during the interview process that can help you weed out a toxic work environment, even if it's remote? Thank you.
There’s no such thing as zero stress anything!
Thank you all that’s my time!
Goodnight and have a safe journey home.
Lmao
Yeah it depends on a lot of things. On my case, I am moving from coding to pentesting (I always had a passion on hacking field, since I was a teenager). My job as a software engineer was a hell. Work on a trash code, with horribles deadlines, being underpaid and cannot have any energy in the end of the day. I had the worse experience on my life, breaking a production app with a bug that could not be reproduceble. I mean, work on frontline as a software engineering is for me way more stressing than analyzing issues.
I hope I find myself on this new field.
great decision. I dont do pentest but if you were a swe, pentesting will be much more fulfilling than making rich guys richer with their specific commercial apps
hey.. just wanted to know how you doing with your pentesting job... like are satisfied with this now..?
@bhupendra1581 Hi! I am very happy with it! I was anxious at the beginning but the programming experience made the rump up easier. The best change I see is that I don't think about the job at my day offs (weekend, vacation). Also, I spend less energy at work, allowing me to study and do my hobbies after work
I totally agree that defensive cybersecurity is very stressful. Getting people to cooperate can be very hard, especially when they lack incentive, which is often the case because cybersecurity folks are often hired by people who don’t understand cybersecurity, and they are not given the proper level of authority to bring an organization into compliance. There is also a common perception that security is easy, when in fact it can be difficult due to the extreme volume of low- to medium-effort activities (death by a thousand cuts) and the ambiguity of requirements within security standards and auditing frameworks (SOC 2 being especially horrendous in that regard).
If you are going to work help desk don’t work tier 1 as that is the most stressful in my opinion just based on my experience. Tier 2 or 3 tends to be less stressful because you are usually not getting back to back calls. And don’t get me started on not being on the phone when you’re supposed to in the case of a restroom break.
Those are Sub-Tier levels with in Help Desk. You are still on the Help Desk as a Level 1 role. Tier 2 is Desktop Support and Tier 3 is the Network and Sysadmins.. You can technically skill help Desk all together and jump to Tier 2.
Thanks for sharing your experience ^^
I found doing IT for the Army not/hardly stressful (surprising I know). Most of the stress comes from doing actual Army stuff that doesn't necessarily include your job.
Ah yeah, that's pretty much what I've been reading. I considered joining for a long time, but I was too much of a B to go through with it, so props to you :)
@@JoshMadakor How does data science compare? Also, AI/Machine Learning roles?
Thats kinda the secret almost any gov job pays will and doesn’t require nearly as much work as say work in the public/private industry government just loves to waste money 😂
Worked as an on prem sys admin early in my career for awhile and man it was a pain, Patch tuesdays, Nagios beeping all through the damn night, backup/restore, exchange/sql taking a dump just to make your day that much harder, random issues with ADFS..and then the users.. Athough I do miss the hands on tech tinkering and the the old team, I don't think I would go back to that, but then, with copilot integration all that is probably going to be a thing of the past, who knows. I would say, something like GRC is a lot process driven and less stressful but monotonous at times.
To be honest, I don't think there isn't any roles in IT that doesn't have stress. Even when you start getting into Tier 3 as a Network Engineer or Systems Administrators, the stress level increases once some thing breaks as you are constantly putting out fires being on-call 24/7. I work in Tier 2 role above Help Desk as there is some level of stress meeting a quota of closed tickets a day or once some thing breaks that's urgent, you can't go home until is fixed. I also facilitate Tier 3 with server and network issues in the server room with hands and eyes even after hours when infrastructure issues occurs.
Hello and thanks for that comment. Just one question what do you think about the same topic in networking but applied to call center?. Cisco TAC for example...
I'm 17 looking to get into coding but i'm looking for a field where I can have a life outside my job ive seen a lot of videos and it seems even when they are not on the job they are still working to understand I dont mind the stress while im working but i would like to have a work life balance where I can be a family man and have time for my family
@@pixelll1783same
Ultimately, depends on company’s culture and industry. The jobs that prioritize anything close to 24/7 365 support are usually more demanding of your personal time. The Jobs that are literally fixing problems all the time can be stressful. The jobs where your wearing multiple hats tend to be both stressful and demanding. I could go on.
I've worked IT Support and Help desk like roles in the beginning and Frontend Development has been the least stressful...not having to run people down for access or info or waiting on others to do your task makes it a lot less stressful
Facts! I worked HelpDesk for years. I recently transitioned to IAM Engineer role and my stress levels are a whole lot lower.
If you don't mind me asking, how did you transition from it support to frontend development?
@@ArchaicCreationsbp just by learning the languages that were needed, building projects, and practicing interviews. It took about a year
@@ArchaicCreationsbp Honestly if you were going that route I would take coursera's Frontend and backend certificates and do javascript masteries free bootcamps on RUclips and post about them on Social Media or look up coding phase on RUclips and take his email developer bootcamp course...Email development is like a starter job to help get into web dev
@@laramecodes3520how do you get into IAM with no experience?
Great info, this helped me make a choice between Cloud eng and Soft dev.
@@cherrypai44 Software dev, was for the better work life balance.
I worked for almost four years as help desk and the stress is seasonal. Also a lot depends on what size of the organization you work. It can be pretty stressful
Any tips what to look for?
Based on what I have worked, I feel that Cyber GRC may be the least “stressful”. However, it gets to be soul-sucking, in my opinion. As you said, you also have to rely on others doing their job, which can also be hit and miss. Obviously, a LAN Admin or Vulnerability Management position may be more “stressful” but I ultimately had a better sense of pride and job satisfaction in those roles, where I troubleshot actual problems and made things happen. Some people might crave a boring, “stable” job. Good for them. Some like new challenges. Just because a job is easy, doesn’t mean you’ll be happier.
How do you get into a cyber GRC role with no experience?
@@MT89259 you can start at a helpdesk somewhere, and they likely have a "compliance" type of group within. Ask around.
@@evans_northwest ty
People tend to like boring jobs because they have other things going on in their life outside their jobs.
Thanks this is helpful, security is interesting but I really don't know I'd handle the stress well the more I look into it.
Cloud Support Engineering sounds more fun because everything is challenging, and you don't just do monotonous repeat tasks like on a helpdesk.
I do automation for patching and vulnerability remediation. I agree with you, mostly low stress and self paced.
Do you have to do a lot of programming in your job role and if so which language do you need to know? Thank you in advance
@@bicdeez007 I do some, python and powershell.
are you a sys admin?
Super helpful Video, I have 6 years in Front-end dev, and I was wondering If there were other Tech areas I could be a in a better position, now I can see I am already in one of the best ones lol
I'm currently helpdesk and the stressful part is when there's nothing to do lmao. I work at a bank and they gave me the corner of the office with no cubicle so everyone can see that I'm doing absolutely nothing at times and I have to make up some psudo-important stuff to pull up on my screen.
Haha, I feel you on that. Honestly if I were you, I would just start coding a lot of study something where it looks like I'm doing work. lmao. Get a lot of skill/certs :O). In fact, that's what I did in my previous job
I’m in exact scenario as you. On a side note, I’m not sure I want to deal with service tickets for the remainder of my career. I was initially looking into cloud computing but now I’m not so sure.
😂
Can u plz say what skill or how many years of experience someone needs to land a job like this?
🙄🤦♂️ now I see this video after taking the google cyber security course because you had another video about cyber security 😂 I was just about to buy your cyber security course. So your It course the better course? 🤔
Software Dev is very stressful especially if the company is not organised; knowledge base is not really what you depend on but you’ll have to think outside the box. I would say Business Analysis, Scrum Master and IT Project Support roles are the least stressful.
Yup, being a software developer is like being a research scientist but without the respect and glamor (and usually without the pay): You're daily having to teach yourself something new just to get the job done, and there's a lot of trial and error and shots in the dark. Sometimes you discover late that you've been blindly barking up a wrong tree, and you have to start over from scratch on a project.
I'm an IT PM. I think there are different kinds of stress. I have to deal with people-related and team performance-related stress. Your PMs are supposed to protect you from the noise and internal-external disturbance so that you can focus on the work that matters. To be honest, I feel PM work is very stressful and have caused me to age very quickly. I want to see if I can get into BA work or pivot into a technical role that's project-oriented (non-IT Support) so I don't get bored.
Currently work as a NOC Engineer, but the actual work is basically help desk.
It’s stressful in the fall because the company is busy during that time (printing). But it’s alright during the spring.
I don't know much about cyber but what is NOC and what do they do bro???
Absolute banger video!
Whoever you see falling asleep at their desk is the low stress job
Lmao, haven't thought about it this way.
Work as am IT Analyst for the government. Fortunately, I have a boss who has been pretty lenient, flexible, and I rarely even see or talk to her (100% telecommute).
Worked previously as a NOC technician, helpdesk tech, tech and support agent for the past ten years.
It's very monotonous at times. I'm handling that challenge by doing things like earning certs outside of work and am looking at getting a degree of some sort.
The money is decent because the city pays based upon experience. The work is underwhelming easy and familiar (this is nice but breeds complacency and stunts growth).
Lastly, I've got lots of autonomy. The shift kinda sucks (weekends) but I'm not complaining.
I see myself staying here for a while but need to update my skillet.
cyber here, get what you're saying 100% to do with the place been through 4 different places til i found one that appreciated and dedicated enough budget to cybersecurity to make our lifes and jobs easier
This was awesome... Thanks!
I switched from cs to sysadmin. Can confirm, much lower stress.
you switched from cyber? or computer science?
@@geddon436yes, CyberSec.
System administrator ?
@@Aleyda-Al from cybersec to systems administrator
@@Frissdas1207 how did it go ? Did you liked it more?
So stressful if you dont have the money. Once you are financially stable then you can choose and decide not to work to avoid stress.
Yes exactly, this is why I recommend people save up a large chunk of coins
HAHAHAHAHA
A Cloud Architect or Security Architect can be lower stress. You’re not on call or responding to incidents. You’re designing and securing infrastructure from an architecture/guidance standpoint. It can be busy at times, but more freedom
I do IAM consulting for the federal govt…very low stress and I love it.
I would say working help desk at a MSP can be high stress depending on the size of the MSP. And work life balance can suffer. For instance, if you work for a smaller MSP you are on call a lot. My last job I was on call for all of our clients 1 week a month. The MSP I am at now is a lot larger so were only on call 1 week a year.
Sorry for asking questions on a video released 7 months ago, and really if anyone sees this question, feel free to answer. Soft skills aside, which position would you recommend for the least amount of human contact? Obviously not help desk, but out of software engineering, cloud support, cybersecurity, sys admin, network admin, etc which is the lease collaborative? I don't lack soft skills, but I definitely struggle to work closely with others. Computers don't stress me out nearly as much as people do 😅 I prefer to sort of just be given a queue or something to monitor and be left alone until we have a meeting or something. Anyone have suggestions?
I second this. I wish i could find a job with the least human interactions.
@@epicotakugamer4930 So far it seems like soc analyst is a good option. There’s meetings and paperwork but it seems like the major of the core work is monitoring. Pretty solo.
This is a great question. I'm a systems administrator for an MSP and I have very little interaction with clients. I also only have my weekly 1 on 1 with my boss, but other than that, I don't have any reoccurring meetings.
Knowledge based work that’s highly skilled
Highest salary
Best work life balance
Lowest stress
Hey Josh, great video. Just want to let you know that the term “go postal” is taboo in the mail delivery world. It’s a reference to a disgruntled USPS employee shooting up a post office…
Sorry about that :(
I still like and use the term
Someone needs to take a chill pill and give people the benefit of the doubt. This world has become so hypersensitive taking all the fun out of just speaking. Thank you Josh for doing a great job.
Management only care about metrics if your resolving tech issues in real-time on the phone you must meet the metrics, if not your fired, very stressful. You can not meet metrics eventhough you solve the issue and left a positive experience with the user. I would imagine working on support tickets is alot less tressful. I don't know the metrics for IT support ticket work.
As a software engineering student, do you recommend that I pick up the Comptia A+ certificate? If so, which one should I prioritize first?
A+ by itself doesn't do much for you - it's honestly too basic unless you're going to be literally repairing computers (a dwindling industry). You need to stack it with Network+, Security+ (trifecta) or others for it to really have an impact on your prospects for 2024-type jobs. if you're just planning to get that 1 cert and no others, I wouldn't do it. Source: trust me bro. (Kidding) Having an IT background and currently just A+ cert has not done anything for me yet. I'm about to take Network+, then Sec+.
I m working as it support executive in a startup company only solving hardware related issues by this i can't take rest even on sunday's some or the other calls will be there, so i decided to shift the job but i don't know what to do is there any software jobs where i can do only software part by considering my previous job (IT support executive) experience i m ready to learn coding also i just need a path ?
There are definitely jobs you can do purely remote, but it's hard to say. If I were you, I would drive deep into cloud and start doing a bunch of projects, getting used to cloud technology and architecture, then start implementing coding as much as you can to do stuff. GPT can for sure help with this
Hey! Cybersecurity Consulting isn’t too bad!
Damn really? I've only done infrastructure consulting and it sucked haha. Good to know ^^
What’s your take on software testing, whether it’s manual or automated?
I guess there are use cases for both. I had to do manual code review in an AWS interview lol. ideally both should be happening, most software companies will do a manual code review process before putting code into production, then ideally there will be some kind of DAST/SAST platform doing tests as well. I haven't really worked in a proper, hardcore SWE team, but only a small one where we did manual code reviews hehe
Much needed thanks
Would you know of any companies that are known good to work for? Or companies known to hire chat agents, not having to talk all day long on the phone? Like Fortune 500 ones. Talking all day is exhausting.
Where would QA or QE fall into that list? I'm assuming Best pay, probably bottom. Lowest Stress probably between coding and it.
Good question! I haven't done QA before and I haven't been around them enough so I don't have a good sense.
Software Engineering is no where near "Less Stress", of course it depends on the company, but in most companies the deadlines are crazy, the management and investors are crazy, and they want you to justify your high pay.
I started out thinking my cybersecurity is not all that stressful at all, and then you started listing why it's stressful and I'm thinking. "oh yeah, I guess there is that. Oh.. yeah that too..." lol I guess it is a mindset, The biggest aspect is you can get in real trouble when someone else doesn't perform a task correctly.
Also compliance work when your assessor sometimes does not understand how a system works and adds requirements that are not plausible or sensical for that type of system. You get stuck in a loop.
Hey man really liked this video thank you! - I wanted to ask as someone who has no background in IT or tech, where do you think is a good place to start? My values moving forward are: low stress, can work remote and pays relatively well, doesnt require huge amounts of money to star and lastly where i can maintain sustainable employment i.e stability. I'd really appreciate your insight! YH
As a person thinking of transitioning I've been waiting for some experienced person to answer this question. 0:56 So GRC is more stressfull?? wow that's surprising. Was looking at auditor, QA, vulnerability specialist, Information Compliance Security and a few others. Want something i can go at my own pace, with a fairly consistent educational process and application. I wish your answer was more in depth, but thanks a lot. I'll give your coding vid a look.
Great video and very helpful!
Thank you!!
@JoshMadakor Sorry so late to your video but Why did you list CyberSecurity on the low stress side of the screen when you actually said the opposite about it?😮 Also forgive if I come across a tad bit slow but did you mean Sys Admid as in System Administration?
isnt there a difference between working as a cloud support engineer and just regular cloud engineering?
I would love some advice. I have experience with computers but my certifications, knowledge and experience are about 20 years old. My A+ is GFL so I still have that but would need to get other education/certifications. I haven't worked in about 8 years due to having to take care of family but I am now able to go back to work. I am wanting to know which path I should focus on that would allow me to get a good paying job as quickly as possible. Should I go for network/security or for coding?
Now I’m thinking of stopping my cyber journey and focus back on coding or development lol.. I really don’t want to be dealing with people. Meetings is ok, but being always the go to person is not cool. Now if it pays 150k annually then maybe but only a few years to pay bills couldn’t have a high stress job forever
Haha it's not that bad. It can be annoying, but there are worse things (like being a RUclipsr 💀)
@@JoshMadakor hahaha.. I thought that would be fun it’s technically your own business a brand. All jokes aside, I’m sure that if I worked hard towards my goals, then my true calling will come. Jobs with higher salaries from my experience have more responsibilities since more seniority. I watched the video where you mentioned jumping from one job to another, but you built experience in new technologies and applied those new skills to the next roles.
All in all, Josh your videos keep me motivated and to keep going!! 🙏 🫡
yeah I'm an InfoSec analyst, get scheduled with a good 12 hours of audits/RAs every day and its miserable. red teaming doesn't look bad though but yeah thats what everyone wants to be
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Exactly my experience and exactly my thoughts on offsec. Roll in, break some stuff, write a report, and let the nerd client worry about fixing it lmao
Cried a little when you said consulting firm. You understand our pain Josh, thank you lol
Say I'm a bit of the opposite. I do best in roles where I can lead, delegate, coordinate, and support teams in success. I would be far less happy in a pure text solo role. I could do it, but would be less motivated and happy, so that would make me stressed.
Depends more on the business you work for more than the type of IT position you have.
Thanks for the info. You should make a video on the general roadmaps for the highest paying jobs in IT
Thank so much! Idk if I'm qualified to make that kinda video lol. I can think about it though, I think people would really like to watch it. I will put it in my TODOs
Do entry level cloud jobs exists? Id imagine cloud could be one of the few careers where personal projects are highly valuable if you don’t have experience. Also , Happy Thanksgivings to the InfoSec 🐐
What do you think about pentesting/ethical hacking? I always assumed it would be lower stress than other cybersecurity jobs but I don't know very much about it.
Hey Annie,
My thoughts on pen testing...Roll in, break some stuff, write a report, and let the nerd client worry about fixing it and then dip. lmao. I haven't officially don pen testing before, but it seems like a pretty sweet deal and low stress
I've been kinda looking into it myself. So far the majority of people tend to say that it's all fun and games till you have to do the report writing part! lol And it can be in various forms such as an actual "physical" penetration gaining access to buildings or restricted areas that require special access etc. Even saw a video some months ago that involved actual "lockpicking" a door. Network penetration of course is what's most commonly thought of which is exactly what it sounds like without going into too much detail.
There are many who also differentiate between "Pentesting" and "Ethical Hacking". I recommend checking out: "The Cyber Mentor", "Hackersploit", and "John Hammond" to name a few of the most popular experts on the subject.
@@JoshMadakordigital forensics for government or police? Chfi
Shoot. I did not know that cyber is high stress.... I just spent like 7-8 months doing cyber in a bootcamp. I wish I knew that prior to my starting in this field...
What about offensive cyber security how's that work and pay? Would you have to manage users still?
It really depends honestly, but I imagine offsec would be really comfy. Just go in, find stuff that's broken, break stuff, write a report, and dip, I haven't done it though, but that's my image of it lol.
Pentesting or offensive cyber is well paid and often hybrid or fully remote. Pentesting and or cloud are usually both well paid and often remote. Pentesting isn't really a job you deal with customers much except presenting your findings and explaining it to non technical people.
@@CyberNinja6969how about vulnerability management? Is it stress ful what do they do?
This is a great video concept. I love IT but as I've picked up new hobbies a stress level/work life balance is very important.
Great video. Where do you think solution architect Or cloud Or Devops fits in?
I think solutions architect is probably lower stress than Devops. Solutions Architect would likely be architecting solutions/designs where as devops, by nature, deals directly with operations. Anything with operations has the possibility of stressful/time constrained situations.
Wow love this vid, I got an admissions overview at 10am today ironically for a IT program literally. Excited yet curious to what’s to come, anybody into software engineering? Great content Josh
this was great! thank you for being concise. took only about 5 minutes of my time vs videos i have ready in other tabs 10-15 minutes
DevOps here we come !
I'd like to do it a bit some day.... maybe haha
@@JoshMadakor yea I think it's a good cross between development, operations and security in case of devsecops
I’m almost done with school in December. I honestly am not sure what I may go after first. I should have a couple of certs as well once done. But coming from a background in nursing and in my 40’s now. I could handle the stress but don’t necessarily prefer a high stress job. But it seems like just starting off I may have to take the high stress jobs until I can gain work experience. Or is there another route?
What about PCI Compliance for low stress high earning or Robotic Process Automation
I hated PCI so that made it high stress for me, but if you are fine with it, it's probably low-ish stress haha. IDK about robots though honestly :(
I'm considering a job in IT but I don't like sedentary jobs. Any advice?
Look up Field Service Technician or Field Service Engineer 👌. Usually requires some type of driving around and fixing stuff: www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22field+service+engineer%22
Hop and Skip your way to each computer
If you know some web dev... the app sec field of cyber is pretty good... you're not fixing the code... you're pointing out flaws in the code for the developers to fix
What about cloud engineering OR Devops? Are they less stressed and high pay as compared to programming?
Hey Josh
Hey lol, what is up?
Thanks for the clarification. I'm curious to know which category cloud solutions architect associate falls under? Would it be coding/dev?
Probably Engineering would be my guess, where you are designing a high-level solution. That's what comes to mind when I see "architect"
What do you think about Data Engineer or AI or ML Engineer? how is the stress levels here
4:10 "you have to make them practice good hygiene"? 🤔Care to elaborate?
Does anyone know about how is relates to penetration testing roles?
Hey Josh, would you say your current role is more front end? Or more focused on something like powershell scripting and automation? Also what would you say your role title is technically called? I couldn't really find "cloud automation engineer" on indeed but found more like "cyber security engineer" or "cloud engineer" postings.
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I would say my role is a mixture of back end and front end. Lost of moving data around (ETL), then more recently I also got assigned some front-end responsibilities as well. But the FE is REALLY weird for my current job. I'm managing some web app called DocAssemble which uses python and YAML to control the front end. Very weird. All back end stuff is in Python too, with some occasional PowerShell
@Josh Madakor - Tech, Education, Career Sorry I asked this twice haha. You answered me in discord about this recently.
Do you have any thoughts about the CASP+? Is it worth doing it? I am kinda in a doubtful situation because I am not sure if I should go towards a cyber security or Devops route. This decision would really depend on the certs I pursue. I feel like cyber security is a bit easier path compared to devops as there is a lot of automation to do. Competition is also quite high in Devops compared to cyber security. Lowest stress comes with a lot of coding practices I guess?
Find your dream job. Look across those jobs on indeed or monster etc. That will guide you to what certs or skills companies want.
Software engineering-Coding is good if the company is not a Start-up!!!
What do you think about Data Analytics?
System admin is more stressful than a system analyst in my opinion
someone almost got me to switch to Cyber today. I think i will stick to dev
Do you need robotics experience to be in Automation ? Can you learn on the job ??
are you working remotely in japan working for company in another country? I kinda wanted to do that, just wondering how you manage to let your company do that if u do
Nice video,I work as a system engineer and sometimes I m thinking to buy 10 goats and move to a log cabin. Seriously now, Im about to change my career and not sure if cybersecurity will save me over
What are great help desk business I can work for?
Since you have experience I want to ask you. I have an IT Bachelors Degree, 2 years of IT Helpdesk/Specialist II experience, Security+, CISA (passed exam don't have experience requirement), and am studying for the CRISC currently. Roughly how much can I expect to make with No GRC experience before getting the CRISC as of right now and after I get it? From different sources it seems consistent I'd be able to get 6 figures or close to it with these things on my side currently, am I correct? Your insight would be appreciated.
How did u pass CISA when it required at least 5 yrs experience??
@@nahidsarker69 It requires 5 years experience (3 years of which can be waived if you meet certain requirements) to have the full cert/CISA designation. But you don’t need that 5 years experience to be able to take the exam, though it would’ve probably taken me less time studying if I already had that experience, also once you pass it (which is the hardest part) you can put it on your resume that you passed. I did also pass the CRISC after it and that has a 3 year experience requirement w/ no waiver for the full CRISC designation, but not to sit for the exam. That’s also something on my resume now. Hope that clears things up
@@ichigo8000 i understand bro,thank u so much for replying and giving me this information that i have never known before today and one more thing to know plz..can anyone do the same with cissp too??
@@nahidsarker69 I believe so, I think for the CISSP, if you pass it w/o having the experience requirement, they'll give you the Junior Associate CISSP or something like that from ISC2. I think Josh might have a video on it too lol.
@@ichigo8000 tnx for the info brother..
What about cybersecurity law and policy development? Would that be a high stress low life balance as well