If your responsable you can ride pretty much what ever. Most of the newer super sports as you mentioned are softer versions of what came before. The differnce with cc's besides power is generally weight and having a light forgiving throttle is helpfull for beginners along with not having a super short stem lock allows you to turn easier at low speeds. Good video
The Bobber is 1200CC, 77hp and 78ft/lbs of torque. That's a lot different than a sport bike, for sure. I have it's brother the Bonneville, which is tuned slightly different, at 79hp and 76 ft/lbs, and the power is all down low. Those aren't engines you really want to rev, or even need to rev. No need to drop a gear to pass anyone. Totally different riding experience than a 600 Super Sport.
Nice! Very informative. But im planning to buy a 600cc class bike. I really want a rsv4 or the 790 duke but the thing is alot of comment about the rs660 is the issue like oil leak,etc. but i really like the rs660. Whats your advice about that? I own a rc390 and a z1000 b4 back in my country and now im in UK and 1000cc is not a choice for the roads here.
@@ronMayfield-zy4hr thanks for the comment - not sure how far you got in the video but I talk about the importance of having the right training and practice. My take is get what works for you and what’s comfortable. At the end as well I talk more about getting bike that that’s very reasonable for anyone starting out.
The RS660 has peaked my interest as my first bike, I js have some questions if that's okay. How much do you pay for insurance, and how much is the maintenance? Also, have you faced any reliability issues? If you don't think it's doable to start on one, pls lmk.
@@justblas I pay a lower insurance since I have a multiple bike policy. It could cost you between $75 - $250. No issues so far. About 2000 miles. I think it’s doable. You can actually tune these down because in Europe they will tune them down to comply with the A2 license. That’s an option as well if you are concerned about the power. Then you can just revert back.
@ low range $150-$200 - Bell Qualifier, Scorpion R420 $250 - $500 I would look at Arai, Scorpion R1, KYT, AGV K1/K3 Anything higher I would look at Shoei, Arai and AGV. Even HJC
Is the ninja 650 really a slouch it’s acceleration times look good I was thinking of buying it. do you have any other suggestions for around the same price?
@@BenAshet from someone that had one you are better off with a 500 if you want a true sport bike. The 650 leans more into the sport touring category. It has handle bars as well making more of a naked bike with fairings…. Question is are you looking for something under or over that 600 CC mark?
@ it doesn’t really matter the cc I was wanting something around as fast as the ninja 650 so I was looking at the Yamaha r7 also since that is around the same price. I picked the ninja 650 because it was more comfortable but thats also fast but I don’t want a bike that’s going to be a slouch like you said.
Having a liter bike for the majority of your first few months of riding and claiming success just because you're still here and haven't crashed is not a good metric of success. Sure you can go to work and back and ride around town, but you should learn and become very proficient with emergency braking, counter steering, braking mid corner, trail braking, and throttle control. Learning those on a liter bike is way harder and you're just going to fall behind on skill level by getting a liter bike early on. All bikes can perform well on the street and track, a beginner does not have nearly enough skill to outride any motorcycle. Buy a used motorcycle about 50hp or less and not too heavy. The only difference is top speed and acceleration, most bikes have very similar mid corner speed, depends on the riders skill level. Pro riders pass liter bikes on ninja 400s in the corners. Get a small, light, affordable bike and work on the fundamentals. Way safer and more fun that way
@@OmGiTsMeTaStY agreed I wouldn’t suggest a litre bike for everyone but they are also all different. My main point is to get something you are comfortable with. If you have something you can’t grow into I think you will lift have a new bike in a month. Using different courses as well to help develop additional skills.
@isaiahdcherry grow into is largely a myth. When people have grown out of a bike they are just saying they are used to the power and no longer surprised by it. 99% of the time they still can't do slow speed maneuvers, can't brake properly, can't corner well, and just lack overall riding skill. Just because you're bored of twisting the throttle does not mean you have out grown the bike. Its just the start. And so what if you don't like your bike after a few months? It's easy enough to post it up and sell it. Bikes are easy to buy and sell so no need to rush it
@ I don’t disagree with that either, everyone had a different learning curve. Some practice , some don’t. To me at the end of the day it depends on the rider. Another thing is a lot of these new bikes have so much technology padded into them that it can change the experience. There are a ton of variables. People just have to find what works for them. At the end of the video I also describe some bikes that can fill those roles and I truly think you can keep even passed the beginner stage.
@@1ns0MNla I changed the rearsets which causes you to unplug a module for the rear brake. It throws a code and says brake is stuck. I’ve been too lazy to buy the part I need to fix it so I just ride in race mode.
@@isaiahdcherry interesting. I've seen other videos of people riding their 660's in track mode on the streets, which caused me some confusion as to why that would be necessary
@ honestly the difference in the two isn’t much. Time attack gives you full options as well. The woodcraft rear set which I have needs a brake switch- I had to look it up to remember 😂😂
You can wreck yourself on any cc bike. What even is a beginner bike? You are buying a bike and are 100% expecting to grow out of it? If thats the case, just get a litre bike now and keep it, when youve grown into it. For Everybody else, who doesnt care about identifying themselves with whatever demographic: Get a bike that fits your body size, regardless of experience. Edit for toxicity: Is this your first bike and are you now claiming to be an expert giving advice to youngones? Are you currently riding your beginner bike?
@@mind_games_eng I’m pretty sure this is along the lines of what I said - Get a bike that works for you .. use riding courses to gain experience. In terms of my experience , in the few months that I’ve been riding I’ve put down over 5,000 miles, and I take my bike everywhere. I try to get on the bike everyday, not just a weekend warrior. That being said I no where claim to be an expert. Only provide experience from the journey.
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If your responsable you can ride pretty much what ever. Most of the newer super sports as you mentioned are softer versions of what came before. The differnce with cc's besides power is generally weight and having a light forgiving throttle is helpfull for beginners along with not having a super short stem lock allows you to turn easier at low speeds. Good video
@@icyGrip666 thanks man! Spot on!
what camera mount do you use on the top of your windscreen? does it work well ?
My understanding is that you go to the market and buy the heaviest and most powerful bike, drop it, then get scared and never ride again 😂
@@adr2567 specifically a hayabusa, that’s why they all have rebuilt titles lol
@@isaiahdcherry Yup, though it's a pty they can't buy them turbocharged straight from the showroom 🤣
The Bobber is 1200CC, 77hp and 78ft/lbs of torque. That's a lot different than a sport bike, for sure. I have it's brother the Bonneville, which is tuned slightly different, at 79hp and 76 ft/lbs, and the power is all down low. Those aren't engines you really want to rev, or even need to rev. No need to drop a gear to pass anyone. Totally different riding experience than a 600 Super Sport.
@@operator0 completely agreed, definitely the point I was trying to make is all bikes are different. Get what works.
Nice! Very informative. But im planning to buy a 600cc class bike. I really want a rsv4 or the 790 duke but the thing is alot of comment about the rs660 is the issue like oil leak,etc. but i really like the rs660. Whats your advice about that? I own a rc390 and a z1000 b4 back in my country and now im in UK and 1000cc is not a choice for the roads here.
@@Dreadmunkbooyah so far I have had no issues. I would get the the 1st year Rs660. Other than that they are pretty reliable.
@ thank you very much!! Really love the rs660. The design and specially the sound
Zx4rr is the way if you can get a good deal
I definitely wouldn’t mind owning one lol
Iv been riding for 40 years and your crazy if think it dont matter experience is everything .
@@ronMayfield-zy4hr thanks for the comment - not sure how far you got in the video but I talk about the importance of having the right training and practice. My take is get what works for you and what’s comfortable.
At the end as well I talk more about getting bike that that’s very reasonable for anyone starting out.
The RS660 has peaked my interest as my first bike, I js have some questions if that's okay. How much do you pay for insurance, and how much is the maintenance? Also, have you faced any reliability issues? If you don't think it's doable to start on one, pls lmk.
@@justblas I pay a lower insurance since I have a multiple bike policy. It could cost you between $75 - $250. No issues so far. About 2000 miles. I think it’s doable. You can actually tune these down because in Europe they will tune them down to comply with the A2 license. That’s an option as well if you are concerned about the power. Then you can just revert back.
@isaiahdcherry Great to hear! Any helmet you would recommend to go with it? I saw your short abt the agv and how shit they are for the streets.
@ what price range you thinking ?
@@isaiahdcherry as long as it keeps me safe idc 😂 ideally not something over 1k tho
@ low range
$150-$200 - Bell Qualifier, Scorpion R420
$250 - $500
I would look at Arai, Scorpion R1, KYT, AGV K1/K3
Anything higher I would look at Shoei, Arai and AGV. Even HJC
Is the ninja 650 really a slouch it’s acceleration times look good I was thinking of buying it. do you have any other suggestions for around the same price?
@@BenAshet from someone that had one you are better off with a 500 if you want a true sport bike. The 650 leans more into the sport touring category. It has handle bars as well making more of a naked bike with fairings….
Question is are you looking for something under or over that 600 CC mark?
@ it doesn’t really matter the cc I was wanting something around as fast as the ninja 650 so I was looking at the Yamaha r7 also since that is around the same price. I picked the ninja 650 because it was more comfortable but thats also fast but I don’t want a bike that’s going to be a slouch like you said.
@ between those two I would no hesitation choose the R7 - I would look at 4xr, R7, Rs660 and gxs 8r.
@ appreciate that thank you
Having a liter bike for the majority of your first few months of riding and claiming success just because you're still here and haven't crashed is not a good metric of success. Sure you can go to work and back and ride around town, but you should learn and become very proficient with emergency braking, counter steering, braking mid corner, trail braking, and throttle control. Learning those on a liter bike is way harder and you're just going to fall behind on skill level by getting a liter bike early on. All bikes can perform well on the street and track, a beginner does not have nearly enough skill to outride any motorcycle. Buy a used motorcycle about 50hp or less and not too heavy. The only difference is top speed and acceleration, most bikes have very similar mid corner speed, depends on the riders skill level. Pro riders pass liter bikes on ninja 400s in the corners. Get a small, light, affordable bike and work on the fundamentals. Way safer and more fun that way
@@OmGiTsMeTaStY agreed I wouldn’t suggest a litre bike for everyone but they are also all different. My main point is to get something you are comfortable with. If you have something you can’t grow into I think you will lift have a new bike in a month. Using different courses as well to help develop additional skills.
@isaiahdcherry grow into is largely a myth. When people have grown out of a bike they are just saying they are used to the power and no longer surprised by it. 99% of the time they still can't do slow speed maneuvers, can't brake properly, can't corner well, and just lack overall riding skill. Just because you're bored of twisting the throttle does not mean you have out grown the bike. Its just the start. And so what if you don't like your bike after a few months? It's easy enough to post it up and sell it. Bikes are easy to buy and sell so no need to rush it
@ I don’t disagree with that either, everyone had a different learning curve. Some practice , some don’t. To me at the end of the day it depends on the rider.
Another thing is a lot of these new bikes have so much technology padded into them that it can change the experience.
There are a ton of variables. People just have to find what works for them. At the end of the video I also describe some bikes that can fill those roles and I truly think you can keep even passed the beginner stage.
why do you ride the bike in track mode when individual is also adjustable?
@@1ns0MNla I changed the rearsets which causes you to unplug a module for the rear brake. It throws a code and says brake is stuck. I’ve been too lazy to buy the part I need to fix it so I just ride in race mode.
@@isaiahdcherry interesting. I've seen other videos of people riding their 660's in track mode on the streets, which caused me some confusion as to why that would be necessary
@ honestly the difference in the two isn’t much. Time attack gives you full options as well. The woodcraft rear set which I have needs a brake switch- I had to look it up to remember 😂😂
Bro you got any exhaust on the rs?
My bad I saw the video lol
@@Bluecollarguy87 all good boss!
You can wreck yourself on any cc bike.
What even is a beginner bike?
You are buying a bike and are 100% expecting to grow out of it?
If thats the case, just get a litre bike now and keep it, when youve grown into it.
For Everybody else, who doesnt care about identifying themselves with whatever demographic: Get a bike that fits your body size, regardless of experience.
Edit for toxicity: Is this your first bike and are you now claiming to be an expert giving advice to youngones? Are you currently riding your beginner bike?
@@mind_games_eng I’m pretty sure this is along the lines of what I said - Get a bike that works for you .. use riding courses to gain experience.
In terms of my experience , in the few months that I’ve been riding I’ve put down over 5,000 miles, and I take my bike everywhere. I try to get on the bike everyday, not just a weekend warrior. That being said I no where claim to be an expert. Only provide experience from the journey.
@@isaiahdcherry haha i wrote that, hadnt even reached half of it, u good
@@mind_games_eng all good! I appreciate you for watching 🫡