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My Volkswagen Vento (polo sedan) 1.5 TDI has a dry 7 speed DSG (DQ200) and starts off in second... Always wondered if it would cause extra wear on the second clutch, especially in inching scenarios.... I watched your DCT video where you mention that it isn't advisable to inch forward in traffic, but it's unavoidable in India to be honest..... If i put it in Tiptronic till the time I'm inching in traffic it'll start in first, but it's too much of a task...... besides that would cause the shift lever to wear faster 🤣
"Don't start with 2nd gear cuz it will wear out faster." What about 3rd or 4th gear in tractor? Oh I just realized... tractors in USA use automatic gearbox?
Nah, I always start in reverse. Start the car, get moving backwards, change to first, slam it hard. Wheels are rolling. Rubber is smoking. This is the way it should be.
I mean you can start on the 2nd gear but if your engine is weak then you'll fill the load it's taking and if your torque and Engine are Powerful then you won't even feel anything. Im 17 and I drive a Renault Duster and I sometimes pick up on the 2nd gear for fun
@@TheAngusGao As the speed of vehicle inc. you'll need to shift rapidly from first to second, to avoid this hassle and also to avoid slipping of wheel as the wheel rpm at first gear is low and it won't match the acceleration due to gravity on the slope.
You are one of the rare invaluable RUclipsrs who teaches people so much. Thank you for persevering through all these years, been occasionally watching your videos depending on my needs and you've always explained everything meticulously and flawlessly. Kudos for everything you've done!
I used to drive truck for a working band. We had the biggest truck you can drive without a CDL (that is if it wasnt overloaded. It was) 1st gear was fucked, So I had to start in 2nd as a matter of course. One time we had a bad alternator, and a nearly dead battery, and had to stop at a stop sign at the top of a hill. We were almost to the garage. I would have blown through it, but there was a cop at the intersection. After the cop goes on, I took a deep breath; if I stalled it, I'd have to roll it down a steep hill backwards at 4am and God willing parallel park it on a city street. With no power brakes or steering. In one of my proudest driving moments ever, I got that mother fucker over that hill.
Started in 3rd gear, uphill one day. Was in a quarry and thought the wheel was stuck on a stone which made it difficult to move so I really gave it some beans, turned out to be in 3rd. Clutch released a lot of smell but didn't appear to die, differential happened to strip several teeth within the next few weeks
I was always irritated by that line. Like, if it hasn't been you day or week, then it obviously won't be your month, or year. But, I suppose day doesn't rhythm with gear, so...
I always felt that starting in second gear was slipping the clutch way too much unnecessarily and therefore not forth the hassle, it takes longer too to start. Thank you for educating the masses! Improve your footwork, it's free, unlike clutches!
Don't forget people, clutch burning is proportional to torque transmitted X slip rpm X time. So Grandad reversing out at 3500 rpm and 2 mph for 30 second actually uses more clutch than initiating a burnout or a moderate launch. So drive his car hard, it's better than he treats it.
Great summary. I usually start in 2nd gear if already on an incline downwards. This does not cause undue wear if done gently. I have never had to replace a clutch prematurely in the last 30 years of driving.
Or one of the few car guys that I can actually watch the entire video. I love how informative you are how direct you are and how absolutely lacking ego you are it's very refreshing to see a guy who really knows what hes talking about. Peoperiod keep up the good work brother it's too bad you don't live in Ohio you seem like a good dude
Because the company selling you the parts has absolutely no interest in you buying them. Yes, maybe it is easy to start in second, but it defenitely is not good for your car.
Actually, it depends on the gear ratios. Some vehicles, usually pickup trucks, are geared such that taking off in 2nd is normal for unloaded operation, where 1st is more of a "granny" gear, meant for starting with a load, or providing a crawling idle. This all depends on the transmission and final drive ratios, however.
In Peru a vast majority of cars on the road are stick. More and more are automatic. Sad day when they finally finally kill the manual. Also sucks the new Supra is auto only. Even though the z4 brother has auto or manual option 😒
A lot of big engine trucks like GMs 496/8.1L can have wild final drive gears like 4.56 along with a wild first gear making it only useful for towing...a building...in sand...up a mountain, plus with the loads of torque 2d would actually be the appropriate gear ratio. Keep in mind that 2d with a 4.56 is not far off 1st with a 2.73 final drive and many cars and trucks are over geared whether for towing or for drag racing launch either way it makes first useless for normal driving.
I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name That's complete nonsense. My father was a diesel truck operator, and I learned how to drive in a torquey, aggressively geared truck. First is always best for starting. If it's a powerful first, just be more gentle. If the gears are closer together, then skip gear. There is no good reason to slip a clutch more than you have to.
If it's so strong, start out without pressing the gas. How could a gear be too wild? I wish my manual had lower first gear. Mileage wouldn't benefit, but starts would be easier to do and create less clutch wear.
It's probably worth replacing your clutch every 10 years instead of every 15 to accelerate a few seconds faster. I'm sure starting in second empty is less wear than starting in first while towing 10 tons.
its call a crawler gear it only goes about 5mph @5,000rpm 2nd gear is still shorter then most 1st gear in a normal car, gas sippers that have a 2.73 final drive will go like 60mph in 1st but a highly aggressive geared truck or performance car can be in 3rd by then so starting in 2d is still a shorter gear then a gas sipper starting in 1st therefor its no harder on your clutch but starting in 1st is hard on your engine because your revving the shit out of it without a load. I know you dont get it because you drive a basic car but if you drive a tow truck or drag car first is pointless on the street ,also shifting twice wears the clutch more then starting in 2nd if my 2nd shorter then your 1st
I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name, if you understood mechanical theory, you'd know going from 1st to 3rd, or going from 1st to 2nd and skipping 3rd is less clutch wear than dragging your start in 2nd. Jason explains this perfectly well, but you people are too stubborn and argue against facts, entirely without support.
What the heck makes any difference? Pay attention to his knowledge not only how he looks, that is not a beauty contest... Learn something rather than just watching..
One of the other biggest uses for 2nd gear is when push starting a car, if you do it in 1st the car will jolt super hard, and it's harder to get started than simply starting it in 2nd.
Back when I was a kid, first learning to drive, I used to practice starting in top gear without using any throttle. It takes a while, but can be done. It's a good way to learn clutch control.
I love your videos! But I do not agree with you for the first time. There is one important factor you overlook for the 2nd gear manual start in snow scenario. Because the driving wheels’ low inertia the clutch does not have to absorb all the engine speed difference and the same energy since the wheels are spinning immediately. For the same reason, in the example you provided, the clutch can be fully engaged at 5 mph in 2nd gear (like it would be in 1st gear on dry pavement) whiles the wheels are spinning. Then you can have a longer smooth acceleration without needing a quick upshift resulting in a possible loss of traction and slipping sideways so it is even safer to start in second gear sometimes.
World Traveler东北 I do have the same problem with the chevy Onix. Is has the same engine but less power (98 hp) and the first gear is awful. I just can't move the car from full stop to slow moving in first gear. I have to gear up quickly to second or the engine may stop. PS: Chevy Onix is much cheaper version of the Sonic and is sold in South America and built in Brazil
First allows for easiest starts. There is no good reason to start out in second and slip a clutch more than necessary. If people find their first too low and short, then get a different car or stop being lazy.
Come on guys.. What revs level are you shifting your gears at? 1.5K RPM?? I shift my 98 LX Civic from 1st to 2nd at 2,500-3,000 RPM normally, and by that time my car is at 15 Km/h (almost 10 MPH), even shifting at 2,000 my car is going more that 5 MPH.. To start driving in 2nd is totally uncomfortable (at least in my car, which has 105HP and 107 lb/ft of torque).. Maybe a truck, with a V8 has a weight/power relation to make "useless" the 1st gear when unloaded, but a car, I don't think so.. That's one reason why some people has to change clutch every past year..
I used to drive a 90 Bronco with a T18 (from an 86) that had a granny gear. They did at least try to make up for that in 2nd being lower than most typical 2nd gears. Was a fun drive, and the sound that transmission made was always interesting.
as any truck driver knows, trucks have so many gears that there's no point in starting in the shortest or using them all unless you have a very big load. In a truck I use daily if you have no load you can start in the 4th gear of 12 if you are on a flat and the 1st is really to be used if you start uphill with a big load.
when I was taught driving, seems that it's a must for us to use second gear, especially if you use Diesel engines and you only use the 1st gear when going uphill
Curve ball, I have a '94 F-250 with a 460ci and a 5-speed manual transmission. 1st gear is compound low, so 2nd really is 1st. Although with the torque of the 460 I can start in 1,2,3,4 and it just chugs along.
Most younger people dont know about the older vehicles... They dont know that older trucks 1st was only really for towing or with a load in the bed or up a hill.... Modern manuals are geared differently and older trucks everyone started in 2nd unless loaded ! Some trucks couldnt go 5 mph in 1st you would just take off and it would rev right up !!
That 460 is a great workhorse engine, that's why its no longer used LOL. I used to throw my 88 F250 into 4WD low range with the hubs unlocked, and put the transmission in 1st put it in a field corrugation jump out and start throwing hay bales on the trailer, get to the end of the field jump back in turn the truck down the next row and repeat, worked really well.
when starting on snow, i can use 1st gear no problem. when starting on ice, and by ice, i mean ice that has been polished by idiots spinning their way through an intersection, second gear is the best way to go. especially in my rwd truck with an empty box. it takes very little wheel spin to cause the ass end of your vehicle to slide over towards the lane beside you. and once your tires start spinning, they create heat on the surface of the ice, making a thin layer of water, and reducing traction even more. also when driving on ice, shift much earlier than normal. it reduces torque to the wheels which in turn keeps you in better control on the roads.
I do agree but I am also pondering.... We know that every time we up shift gears while driving the clutch is naturally wearing out each time. I propose that perhaps the combined wear of a normal launch in first gear and then the shift into second gear (two acts of clutch engagement and one disengagement as well as wear on the pedal, shifter, etc.) could be equal to or greater than a careful start in second gear (one clutch engagement). Just a thought.
Driving manuals I never started in 2nd gear. I'm gentle with throttle. And I used my automatic the same way. Recently, last winter, I switched it to snow mode for the first time which imediately swiched the transmission to 2nd gear and it became just so much nicer to drive my car on snow/ice. Amazing difference.
broncokonco If you're hitting the boost threshold while you're stuck in snow you're definitely doing something wrong. Lag or no the turbo shouldn't come into it at all.
Yeah It's not necessarily turbo lag I suppose. But until the boost steps in, there's almost no power, so starting from a stop isn't responsive at first. It's not as if I can skip period before boost threshold though.
Also, you realize that period before boost threshold starts at zero RPM and lasts until boost kicks in (around 1500 rpm in my car), so saying that boost threshold doesn't come into play when starting from a stop is completely wrong. I also wasn't referring to being stuck in snow, but starting from a stop in snow without spinning the tires (as a result of being within the boost threshold)
broncokonco Boost threshold is a minimum rpm for boost, not a maximum. So you won't have any boost until you get above the threshold, and if you're starting from a stop on a slippery surface but you're revving up to the boost threshold you're definitely spinning your tires. There's an EE video on threshold vs lag. If it was a maximum RPM for boost it would be called a boost ceiling instead of a threshold.
I think we're maybe just getting our wording crossed. I don't think it makes sense to say you're "within" a threshold, you're either above it or below it. If the threshold is 1500 RPM in your car (which seems really low...) then you won't have any boost until you get above that, so it's the threshold, not the lag that's affecting you. I think we're sorta agreeing on that, if you're at 1500 RPM while trying to start from a stop on a slippery surface you're doing something wrong.
It depends on what you call "heavy equipment". On a powerful semi truck, even when heavily loaded, you have to use 5-6th gear to accelerate from a complete stop. First gear will just redline almost instantly. Lower gears in semis are meant for big load hill crawling and maneuvering around.
Breixo - On a semi-truck, heavily loaded " you have to use 5-6th gear to accelerate from a complete stop." NEVER - because that will drop a driveline or wreck the clutch. Sometimes I have forgotten, once stopped, to move the selector switch from high range to low range, and thinking the transmission was in first gear, tried to take off. The rig just jumped badly indicating to me that I needed to take it out of gear, select low range, put it back in gear, and then proceed.
Of course it's okay to start in 2nd Gear! That's how Todd Togers got a 5.51 in his world record drag race. He just had to pop the clutch, or something like that? I don't have any proof though, since I wasn't there.
It all depends on the torque curve of the engine. Cars with a high torque engine should always be moved off in 2nd. Of course, such engines haven't been built for over 80 years. I start off in 2nd gear with the engine idling at less than 500 rpm. Bags of torque at low engine speed, drop the clutch very quickly, never slip the clutch, and move off. What is my car?
My brother's 7.3 IDI turbo with a zf5 5 speed manual had enough torque to take off in 4th with no extra throttle. You could drop the clutch in second on pavement and it would chirp the tires even without touching the accelerator.
Anthony Wubben unless that thing was BUILT. And I mean BUILT then you are telling tall tales. My mustang makes more torque than a stock turbo 7.3 and there is no such thing as dumping the clutch from idle. In ANY gear.
Was driving an Iveco Daily transporter with 6 gears on the weekend for 1245km. 800 of it without cargo. The 1st is that short, you have to shift up in less than a transporter length with moderate acceleration and starting in 2nd was as smooth as with any car. I recon 1st is calibrated for a full load on a incline and you can get away with 2nd on the flat without load.
Great video and good explanations. There is one more reason why you might want to start in second gear. Clutch emergency situations. If your clutch finally decided to give away and you don't have much room to drive to make it home or to the mechanics. You may start in 2nd gear and engage 3rd and 4th gear by ear.
I’m going to assume this video is directed at people who drive cars and suvs. Lots of pickups have a granny gear. You only use granny gear (1st) gear when you have a heavy load like a trailer. You start in second normally. 1st gear won’t get you past like 2 mph. It’s just like tractor trailers. When something is designed to have huge variations in load you need different ways to shift.
@@danijel124 Trucks are often an exception. First is often an ultra low low gear. Ironically, its so you don't burn up your clutch trying to move heavy loads or crawling at low speed. On my 92 F150 with the Borg-Warner T18 4 speed, 1st is not even synchronized, is a straight cut gear so its noisy, and going from idle to 3500 rpm gets you to about 8 mph.....maybe, and the rear diff isn't even geared all that low. Its only purpose is to give you tons of torque. Old trucks were basically street legal tractors. Some trucks also labeled it as L to prevent confusion that it wasn't a normal 1st gear.
Start in 1st, unless you're in a 3/4-1 ton truck that has a granny low first gear then start in 2nd unless you're hauling a load. The heavier rated trucks have a 2nd gear that is equivalent to most vehicles 1st gear.
Solid explanation. I can see why your subs are climbing steadily. Proper engineering based advice from a real engineer. Sorely lacking from the big auto channels.
I always start in second in both my 6-speed 24v Cummins and my 5-speed 12v (unless I'm pulling something). Both will only go up to around 9 MPH in first.
You are a truly brilliant explainer! Clear concise and just the right level of terminology. Folks who know how their cars work are going to have fewer problems by driving them sympathetically...
So, what's the difference between slipping the clutch longer by starting in second gear, and slipping your clutch longer by letting it out slower in first gear? The whole point is that it is easier to keep the wheels from spinning when you start in second because you don't have to be so precise with either the clutch or the accelerator as you would in first. If you try to keep your rpms too low, you risk stalling the engine, and if you let the clutch out too quickly, you spin the wheels when you are in first gear. No matter how you look at it, starting on snow or ice requires a little more wear on the clutch. The other option is to stay home all winter.
I had a heavy duty 5 speed on my 1995 f250, I swear you couldnt let off the clutch pedal before you were hitting redline. Starting in 2nd gear was just basically like starting in 1st in any other vehicle I've been in.
Your reason to avoid starting in second gear is because it requires you to slip the clutch for a greater length of time, but your suggested alternative for moving off in low-traction scenarios is to slip the clutch for longer than usual in first gear? What's the difference?
It’s not good to always do because you’ll wear it out more often. It’s not always snowing so the few times you start in 2nd it doesn’t take that much life, still more life taken out of it then If you had just started in 1st but you’re less likely to get bogged.
My first car was a used 1968 Pontiac Firebird with a 350 cu engine and a four-speed transmission. During winter months, I put 4 studded Michelin tires on it, and added 2 25-lb bags of marble chips to the trunk. This worked very well, and when it was very slippery, starting from 2nd gear resulted in a lot less tire spinning and a smoother "launch". The factory shift linkage used to bind, and one time it bound so tightly that I couldn't shift and couldn't work it loose. And since it was stuck in 3rd gear, I started in 3rd and drove home in 3rd (9 mpg cruising in 3rd). And had it replaced with a Hurst shifter and linkage that worked perfectly and never gave me a ounce of trouble.
My dad once told me with the old pickups with the granny low 4 on the floor you always start in second and treat it like a three speed, unless you had a load on, than you start in first. Now days we got 5 spds and he told me that you should start in first to keep wear off your clutch. Good video, you proved what i always thought was true is true :)
You neglected to cover the last bit about very short 1st gear scenarios. I drive a mustang with 3.55:1 gears and my 1st gear red lines almost instantly when I start in first gear whereas 2nd feel smooth and natural.
if 1st is tall enough that it could redline 25mph, and it probably is, you should be fine to start in first. "very short first" is more of a truck "granny gear" situation, which a mustang doesn't have.
2016 GTI here, first gear hits 40's and second goes to 70's. Only start in first. I never started in second even in my old car which had a really short first. If you're driving a manual you should focus on gas pedal modulation rather than gearing shortcuts.
I have never worn out a clutch disc, but have had a clutch cover finger fail, and a throwout bearing fail so I replaced the clutch while in there. Knowing this, I usually start out in second gear in my S52 M-Roadster (casual driving). Engine has plenty of torque to do so, sometimes I skip from 2nd to 3rd to 5th (1:1).
My 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E six-cylinder 4-speed auto was designed to start in 2nd gear under normal driving. Only if you floored the accelerator and hit the kick-down switch, it would use 1st, or if you locked the gear selector in 1st. This was described in the user's manual as a design aspect to improve passenger comfort and reduce the chances of wheel spin. The car had enough power to match other traffic while accelerating in 2nd gear on the flat. It would sometimes select 1st on a hill-start.
Just started in 2nd gear from a dead stop (manual transmission) because someone had right of way and i forgot to put it in first gear... Glad i released the clutch pedal slowly enough. It was an accident so I'll be more carefull next time. Rookie mistake i guess.
My 1964 Has a special driving mode for snowy, icy, low traction conditions. In that driving mode, it starts in 2nd and shifts in to the highest gear ratio the engine can run with at the speed you are going no matter how far you have the accelerator depressed, similar to what you were describing with some cars. That thing was so ahead of it's time, it even has technology in it with just the base model that many cars now days don't even have.
Engineering Explained Hey Hey, that is not long anymore :D looking forward to it! Im still wondering why you chose the supercharger. In an interview with Alex (on the toilet) you prefered the turbo for its efficiency. Thanks for commenting man 👍
Depends on the supercharger, a supercharger which only makes torque in high revs could also be fun in an s2000, i mean driving it with such rpm is kind of the point of the car in the end
Well, it's tough on the synchros, but not the worst thing in the world. It's better for it to double-clutch if you're going to first. Anything above about 5 mph, probably better to just put it in second.
Everything you said but the snow aspect is true. You must not drive in snow very often. 100% starting in a higher gear when you have very little traction is what you do.
In regular car transmissions yes its bad it wears out the synchronizers in the transmission very quickly best to just shift to neutral and use the brakes, brakes are quite a bit cheaper than having the transmission replaced or rebuilt due to improper shifting techniques. Now in big trucks yes its fine they're built to do so, far less stress on the drive train by shifting without the clutch, takes practice but it works very well.
Hi Jason, first of all - thanks for all of your hard work. I rea0lly like the channel you have here. There is a bit of a second thought on starting from a 2nd gear, though. The nerdy self of me, just can't be silent :) When you are on a slippery surface (heavy rain, mud, "snowy mud", ice). It is very tricky not to lose all of the grip that car have when applying the clutch. Things really depend on a whole lot of a different stuff: - power of the engine, torque - how good are you at feel the moment of that clutch's "catch" point (driving skills). It is really hard for human foot to control that point on the "edges" of the clutch pedal "movement room" - how fast your clutch "catches it". This is really depends on the model and the car. the "spinning moment" for 1st gear can be really small and it can be really hard to stop in between of it in order to control the power. - how really new your car's clutch is. Especially when you driving in the mountains ;) It can be "not new" after couple of rides, if you know what I mean. I am talking here about that "catch" point being changed. The main point is always stay safe. And to stay safe you should keep control of your car and prevent wheels to spin. When it is slippery, 2nd gear provides that additional "room" for clutch pedal to control the "catch" point. And additional room offers you additional safety, i.e. no wheel spin. Yep, clutch is wounded in the process. But being safe is a value to consider.
Cars of the 50's were often started in 2nd and for towing or fully laden in Emergency 1st. I use that principle on the Defender when empty-no problems so far with 170,000 miles on the original clutch.
niel546 yeah. Sometimes (like in a big truck) first gear starts are impractical, because they are geared very very low to start big loads. But generally it's best to start in 1st
Only if you're towing heavy or driving something small like a TDI VW. My truck's 1st gear is useless for everything except getting massively heavy loads moving. I can easily take off at idle in 2nd on flat ground. I don't even use 1st for uphill starts. 2nd on uphills is like 1st on flat ground for most other vehicles.
Sometimes it can be helpful to have some wheel spin. In snow, wheel spin causes the tyre to dig through the snow to the tarmac road underneath, giving you more traction.
That all depends on where you live. But in most places, it works. Team O'Niel Rally School teaches this, and they are based in New Hampshire, which gets plenty of snow.
Can confirm. Also, if you're in a driveway or short stretch of parking lot that hasn't been cleared of snow, what can be helpful is to just floor it all the way through (automatics are especially well-suited for this). And if you're accidentally on a stretch of unmaintained road and feel your wheels slowing down from mud, rally balls out until you get to maintained roads again. You've nothing to lose and everything to gain
My car is a manual. I didn’t get good tires this snow season, and there have been a few times that the car would inch out of the driveway in 2nd when 1st would spin the tires even with no throttle at all.
Lmao. I suck at driving manual, no sugar coating. Or more accurately I'm inexperienced I've had autos my whole life and have had a manual for about 3 weeks. Only stalled that Bish once 😎
For a manual: Not once did you mention lugging the engine once the clutch is engaged in 2nd gear at a stop. Clutch wear is the least of your problems: Try bottom end. And as for manual takeoff in snow/ice: Anyone that has had to drive in the snow will have taken off in 2nd or 3rd depending on how much torque their engine has. You can only modulate that gas pedal so much. The stress point will be at the weakest point: The tire-snow interface. Clutch and bottom end will be fine. Same reason you don't use solid gear coupled 4WD on the freeway/asphalt, but on the dirt where there's slip at the tires.
To manuals: I understand the need for a longer slip if you start in 2nd. However, you do save one instance of shifting and slipping (as long as you weren't gonna stay at 1st gear speeds all along), so how do we factor in that the cumulative time of slipping is similar as we continue to accelerate and shift from from idle to 1st then 1st to 2nd?
Exactly, I have to hold the clutch at the bite point so long on my Toyota Yaris in first and it actually slides right into gear quickly in second. My experience with my own car tells me I'm hurting my clutch more, and jerking the car, and occasionally even stalling in first, but second it absolutely loves. Idk, I don't see how it's worse.
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Engineering Explained ... I'm glad you were being safe during the clutch explanation. (Safety belt.. lol )
What is the realistic expectation of a manual transmission clutch? Assuming the driver isn't a novice or doing track days on the weekends of course!
My Volkswagen Vento (polo sedan) 1.5 TDI has a dry 7 speed DSG (DQ200) and starts off in second... Always wondered if it would cause extra wear on the second clutch, especially in inching scenarios.... I watched your DCT video where you mention that it isn't advisable to inch forward in traffic, but it's unavoidable in India to be honest..... If i put it in Tiptronic till the time I'm inching in traffic it'll start in first, but it's too much of a task...... besides that would cause the shift lever to wear faster 🤣
Engineering Explained I once started in third gear... Worked but that clutch didn't like it and it smelt like burned shit 😂
"Don't start with 2nd gear cuz it will wear out faster." What about 3rd or 4th gear in tractor?
Oh I just realized... tractors in USA use automatic gearbox?
Nah, I always start in reverse.
Start the car, get moving backwards, change to first, slam it hard. Wheels are rolling. Rubber is smoking. This is the way it should be.
Gotta make sure that clutch is warm in the morning!
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Agreed!
hahah on your 55hp fiat?
Quick answer:
Unless you're going downhill, No.
Praveen Rajendran thank you, idk why he can’t give a simple answer and then explain
I mean you can start on the 2nd gear but if your engine is weak then you'll fill the load it's taking and if your torque and Engine are Powerful then you won't even feel anything. Im 17 and I drive a Renault Duster and I sometimes pick up on the 2nd gear for fun
Thanks
why even when going downhill, would u want to start in 2nd gear.
@@TheAngusGao As the speed of vehicle inc. you'll need to shift rapidly from first to second, to avoid this hassle and also to avoid slipping of wheel as the wheel rpm at first gear is low and it won't match the acceleration due to gravity on the slope.
“I don’t want to wear out first gear”?
You don’t want to wear out your car either. Walk instead of driving your car. Wouldn’t want to wear it out.
I was like.... Wha? That doesn't even make sense.
@@robertt9342 people actually say that though lol
But walk bare footed, you don't want to wear out these shoes do you?
@Andrey Angere don't move, don't want to wear out your body
Oh but you don’t want to wear out your body so you better use your magic carpet
2nd gear? Those are rookie numbers, i always start in 5th, or 6th.
There is no reason to ever shift. You can drive in 3rd gear, always.
Taxtro even 1st! The rev limiter helps with speed limits, mash the throttle and it limits speed! Perfect for highway cruising at redline!
Who even uses the clutch? I just force my stick into the correct gear, if it refuses, I yell at it!
10 days to let off the clutch
If you don´t have battery, and if you push...Is ok, to start in 2nd gear.
My engine asked the transmission to mary him. The are now engaged.,..
Your engine probably won't be too happy with the transfer in power.
Do you mean to marry him?
I guess the clutch really brought them closer together!
@@SR1Records except the clutch separates them
@@ivarbaratheon264 Good point, lol.
This guy's knowledge of how stuff works is unmatched. He doesn't even need to pause and consider his words.
@Benjamin Puljak from where, a GoPro?
I mean, what he's talking about here is pretty much basics... Not that complicated to talk about it easily if it's your field.
He is a great professor
Theres this thing called editing where you can cut off the stutter
You are one of the rare invaluable RUclipsrs who teaches people so much. Thank you for persevering through all these years, been occasionally watching your videos depending on my needs and you've always explained everything meticulously and flawlessly. Kudos for everything you've done!
Really appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching!
I used to drive truck for a working band. We had the biggest truck you can drive without a CDL (that is if it wasnt overloaded. It was)
1st gear was fucked, So I had to start in 2nd as a matter of course. One time we had a bad alternator, and a nearly dead battery, and had to stop at a stop sign at the top of a hill. We were almost to the garage. I would have blown through it, but there was a cop at the intersection. After the cop goes on, I took a deep breath; if I stalled it, I'd have to roll it down a steep hill backwards at 4am and God willing parallel park it on a city street. With no power brakes or steering. In one of my proudest driving moments ever, I got that mother fucker over that hill.
😂😂😂
God damn i started sweating just reading this
I drive a CDL semi truck. And unless i have a loaded trailer i almost always start in 2nd or 3rd.
@@cchino_Sax how many gears you got? If its a 6 speed then god damn, if its a 12, 18, 36 transmission well obvz.
@@D3nn1s 18 speed
thanks for wearing a seatbeld while explaining torque coverters. i feel much safer now
Haha
The best comment ever 😂😂😂😂
Why take it off if he’s just parked Hunan put it back on in a minute probably if he did
Dude keeps flywheels in his back pocket
Don't you keep one in your back pocket?
If you don't then you're weird
Why wouldn’t he? You’re the freak here.
As long as he's not taking them out of the cars he's shooting the vids in! lol! XD
02:03 Casually pulls out a Flywheel.
NielsNy I always carry a spare flywheel in my car. 😂
I always carry a spare car in my car
*casually pulls out a car*
but thank god the car was stopped
😂
He was just playing a little Frisbee, no big deal.
I love the smell of my burned clutch in the morning
That smell turn on my emotional receptors
Nothing like getting a car to run by making the poor thing scream
I use more clutch than brakes
So am I a good driver if I do this and never smell the clutch burning? 😂
I started my dads car in the 5th gear,
And I’m homeless now. Does anybody wants a roommate?
🙋🙋.. if you wanna move to india
I would be happy if you let me in your country!
Naqib Husseinyar lmfao
Wait how did you become homeless
Coco Productions, he kicked me outa his house!!!
Apparently Matt LeBlanc from friends was always stuck in second gear. Now he's stuck in Top Gear, who knew?
😂
Started in 3rd gear, uphill one day. Was in a quarry and thought the wheel was stuck on a stone which made it difficult to move so I really gave it some beans, turned out to be in 3rd. Clutch released a lot of smell but didn't appear to die, differential happened to strip several teeth within the next few weeks
THIRD
GEAR
kaptinkeiff only use 6th gear, one gear is enough...
I used to drive a truck with a 10 speed transmission, and usually stared in 3rd, sometimes 4th.
because the lower gears on a truck like that are for when you're hauling something heavy, possibly even on an incline and/or offroads.
Cadwaladr i drive a 24 speed tractor and pull away in 12th or 13th when not under load!
Cadwaladr I still do, when bobtailing I start with 5th or 6th.
I'm always stuck in second gear. It hasn't been my day, my week, my month or even my year.
I see. not many got the _•_•_•_•_•_•_•_ reference.
I'll be there for youuuuu
I was always irritated by that line. Like, if it hasn't been you day or week, then it obviously won't be your month, or year. But, I suppose day doesn't rhythm with gear, so...
You should always be at 5000rpm and control the speed with the clutch pedal. That's what grandma does.
and only use 3rd gear
I always felt that starting in second gear was slipping the clutch way too much unnecessarily and therefore not forth the hassle, it takes longer too to start. Thank you for educating the masses! Improve your footwork, it's free, unlike clutches!
second gear
Don't forget people, clutch burning is proportional to torque transmitted X slip rpm X time.
So Grandad reversing out at 3500 rpm and 2 mph for 30 second actually uses more clutch than initiating a burnout or a moderate launch. So drive his car hard, it's better than he treats it.
lol i have a neighbour who is basically that.. his poor ford focus..
True for the clutch, not necessarily the rest of the car though...
I SECOND that
Reversing uses clutch ?
Angelos Yes
Great summary. I usually start in 2nd gear if already on an incline downwards. This does not cause undue wear if done gently. I have never had to replace a clutch prematurely in the last 30 years of driving.
Really appreciate the sensual slow-motion Subaru shots sprinkled inbetween.
I love that you call out people who lack the proper manual transmission driving skills. Truth!!
Or one of the few car guys that I can actually watch the entire video. I love how informative you are how direct you are and how absolutely lacking ego you are it's very refreshing to see a guy who really knows what hes talking about. Peoperiod keep up the good work brother it's too bad you don't live in Ohio you seem like a good dude
I just removed all the gears from my car so I wouldn't have to worry about any of this, and it still starts up just fine in the driveway.
DIY Koenigsegg Regera
Haha yeah man
The owner's manual in my car recommends to start in 2nd gear if there is snow or rain.
Yeah because it usually works better thats why in the UK highway code it is also recommended to start in 2nd gear in ice or snow.
Because the company selling you the parts has absolutely no interest in you buying them. Yes, maybe it is easy to start in second, but it defenitely is not good for your car.
If you know how to be gentle with the gas there is no need for that..
Actually, it depends on the gear ratios. Some vehicles, usually pickup trucks, are geared such that taking off in 2nd is normal for unloaded operation, where 1st is more of a "granny" gear, meant for starting with a load, or providing a crawling idle. This all depends on the transmission and final drive ratios, however.
Well quite a simple fix,start in 1st until 5mph and then change to 2nd,very simple
one day people will have no idea what that magical gear stick is. kinda sad.
that day is coming sooner than you think
stop the overhyping manual is nothing special in Europe.
Maybe in North America
In Peru a vast majority of cars on the road are stick. More and more are automatic. Sad day when they finally finally kill the manual. Also sucks the new Supra is auto only. Even though the z4 brother has auto or manual option 😒
automatic is always faster than manual
A lot of big engine trucks like GMs 496/8.1L can have wild final drive gears like 4.56 along with a wild first gear making it only useful for towing...a building...in sand...up a mountain, plus with the loads of torque 2d would actually be the appropriate gear ratio. Keep in mind that 2d with a 4.56 is not far off 1st with a 2.73 final drive and many cars and trucks are over geared whether for towing or for drag racing launch either way it makes first useless for normal driving.
I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name That's complete nonsense. My father was a diesel truck operator, and I learned how to drive in a torquey, aggressively geared truck. First is always best for starting. If it's a powerful first, just be more gentle. If the gears are closer together, then skip gear. There is no good reason to slip a clutch more than you have to.
If it's so strong, start out without pressing the gas. How could a gear be too wild? I wish my manual had lower first gear. Mileage wouldn't benefit, but starts would be easier to do and create less clutch wear.
It's probably worth replacing your clutch every 10 years instead of every 15 to accelerate a few seconds faster. I'm sure starting in second empty is less wear than starting in first while towing 10 tons.
its call a crawler gear it only goes about 5mph @5,000rpm 2nd gear is still shorter then most 1st gear in a normal car, gas sippers that have a 2.73 final drive will go like 60mph in 1st but a highly aggressive geared truck or performance car can be in 3rd by then so starting in 2d is still a shorter gear then a gas sipper starting in 1st therefor its no harder on your clutch but starting in 1st is hard on your engine because your revving the shit out of it without a load. I know you dont get it because you drive a basic car but if you drive a tow truck or drag car first is pointless on the street ,also shifting twice wears the clutch more then starting in 2nd if my 2nd shorter then your 1st
I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name, if you understood mechanical theory, you'd know going from 1st to 3rd, or going from 1st to 2nd and skipping 3rd is less clutch wear than dragging your start in 2nd. Jason explains this perfectly well, but you people are too stubborn and argue against facts, entirely without support.
Serious question, no offense intended:
How old are you? I can't tell if you're 25 or 45 or somewhere in between.
I think he's about 36
With all that knowledge, he's got to be 84. :)
My guess is 29
45... are you high????
What the heck makes any difference?
Pay attention to his knowledge not only how he looks, that is not a beauty contest...
Learn something rather than just watching..
As a new standard driver. All the meme comments make my life so hard 😂
One of the other biggest uses for 2nd gear is when push starting a car, if you do it in 1st the car will jolt super hard, and it's harder to get started than simply starting it in 2nd.
Back when I was a kid, first learning to drive, I used to practice starting in top gear without using any throttle. It takes a while, but can be done. It's a good way to learn clutch control.
I love your videos! But I do not agree with you for the first time. There is one important factor you overlook for the 2nd gear manual start in snow scenario. Because the driving wheels’ low inertia the clutch does not have to absorb all the engine speed difference and the same energy since the wheels are spinning immediately. For the same reason, in the example you provided, the clutch can be fully engaged at 5 mph in 2nd gear (like it would be in 1st gear on dry pavement) whiles the wheels are spinning. Then you can have a longer smooth acceleration without needing a quick upshift resulting in a possible loss of traction and slipping sideways so it is even safer to start in second gear sometimes.
My coworker has a Chevy Sonic. And says the first gear is way too low so he starts in second. I should send him a link to this video.
World Traveler东北 I do have the same problem with the chevy Onix. Is has the same engine but less power (98 hp) and the first gear is awful. I just can't move the car from full stop to slow moving in first gear. I have to gear up quickly to second or the engine may stop.
PS: Chevy Onix is much cheaper version of the Sonic and is sold in South America and built in Brazil
First allows for easiest starts. There is no good reason to start out in second and slip a clutch more than necessary. If people find their first too low and short, then get a different car or stop being lazy.
ChokeKOO! OH, but I like slipping my clutch and doing 0-60s without shifting! In fact, I start out in 3rd!
I'm not being lazy, you jerks, my shift level just won't go into first anymore!
Come on guys.. What revs level are you shifting your gears at? 1.5K RPM?? I shift my 98 LX Civic from 1st to 2nd at 2,500-3,000 RPM normally, and by that time my car is at 15 Km/h (almost 10 MPH), even shifting at 2,000 my car is going more that 5 MPH.. To start driving in 2nd is totally uncomfortable (at least in my car, which has 105HP and 107 lb/ft of torque).. Maybe a truck, with a V8 has a weight/power relation to make "useless" the 1st gear when unloaded, but a car, I don't think so.. That's one reason why some people has to change clutch every past year..
Old pickups and trucks had "granny" or "compound" first gears. Empty you started in 2nd and 1st was not synchronized.
Yeah true. But that's not what he is talking about.
I used to drive a 90 Bronco with a T18 (from an 86) that had a granny gear. They did at least try to make up for that in 2nd being lower than most typical 2nd gears. Was a fun drive, and the sound that transmission made was always interesting.
as any truck driver knows, trucks have so many gears that there's no point in starting in the shortest or using them all unless you have a very big load. In a truck I use daily if you have no load you can start in the 4th gear of 12 if you are on a flat and the 1st is really to be used if you start uphill with a big load.
when I was taught driving, seems that it's a must for us to use second gear, especially if you use Diesel engines and you only use the 1st gear when going uphill
Curve ball, I have a '94 F-250 with a 460ci and a 5-speed manual transmission. 1st gear is compound low, so 2nd really is 1st. Although with the torque of the 460 I can start in 1,2,3,4 and it just chugs along.
Most younger people dont know about the older vehicles...
They dont know that older trucks 1st was only really for towing or with a load in the bed or up a hill....
Modern manuals are geared differently and older trucks everyone started in 2nd unless loaded ! Some trucks couldnt go 5 mph in 1st you would just take off and it would rev right up !!
This is how low that 1st gear is. In 4 Low, 3,000rpm = 3mph. It was meant like you said to pull, and it pulls hard lol.
That 460 is a great workhorse engine, that's why its no longer used LOL. I used to throw my 88 F250 into 4WD low range with the hubs unlocked, and put the transmission in 1st put it in a field corrugation jump out and start throwing hay bales on the trailer, get to the end of the field jump back in turn the truck down the next row and repeat, worked really well.
@@wildbill23c Thats awesome, like a working man's version of ghost riding
I have a 99 f250 7.3 with a zf6, I start in 3rd regularly, only use 2nd if I'm pulling my gooseneck and 1st if I want to feel like a semi
when starting on snow, i can use 1st gear no problem. when starting on ice, and by ice, i mean ice that has been polished by idiots spinning their way through an intersection, second gear is the best way to go. especially in my rwd truck with an empty box. it takes very little wheel spin to cause the ass end of your vehicle to slide over towards the lane beside you. and once your tires start spinning, they create heat on the surface of the ice, making a thin layer of water, and reducing traction even more.
also when driving on ice, shift much earlier than normal. it reduces torque to the wheels which in turn keeps you in better control on the roads.
Very well explained!
When I used to go to the track I’d start my burnout in second gear to heat the tires. Car was heavily modded.
I'll summarize the video for those unable to watch: "git gud"
Good explanation Jason. Thanks for explaining the different speeds of engagement. Good topic too. Heidi
No problem
Why is everyone Jason? Jasons everywhere on youtube
Great channel you got there Heidi!
I almost always start in “2nd” in my 86 Chevy pickup. It has a L for low where first is in most cars. But I only use it for towing
I do agree but I am also pondering.... We know that every time we up shift gears while driving the clutch is naturally wearing out each time. I propose that perhaps the combined wear of a normal launch in first gear and then the shift into second gear (two acts of clutch engagement and one disengagement as well as wear on the pedal, shifter, etc.) could be equal to or greater than a careful start in second gear (one clutch engagement). Just a thought.
Driving manuals I never started in 2nd gear. I'm gentle with throttle. And I used my automatic the same way. Recently, last winter, I switched it to snow mode for the first time which imediately swiched the transmission to 2nd gear and it became just so much nicer to drive my car on snow/ice. Amazing difference.
Having a car with lots of turbo lag and living at a high elevation makes it really easy to start in snow without spinning the wheels.
broncokonco If you're hitting the boost threshold while you're stuck in snow you're definitely doing something wrong. Lag or no the turbo shouldn't come into it at all.
Yeah It's not necessarily turbo lag I suppose. But until the boost steps in, there's almost no power, so starting from a stop isn't responsive at first. It's not as if I can skip period before boost threshold though.
Also, you realize that period before boost threshold starts at zero RPM and lasts until boost kicks in (around 1500 rpm in my car), so saying that boost threshold doesn't come into play when starting from a stop is completely wrong. I also wasn't referring to being stuck in snow, but starting from a stop in snow without spinning the tires (as a result of being within the boost threshold)
broncokonco Boost threshold is a minimum rpm for boost, not a maximum. So you won't have any boost until you get above the threshold, and if you're starting from a stop on a slippery surface but you're revving up to the boost threshold you're definitely spinning your tires. There's an EE video on threshold vs lag. If it was a maximum RPM for boost it would be called a boost ceiling instead of a threshold.
I think we're maybe just getting our wording crossed. I don't think it makes sense to say you're "within" a threshold, you're either above it or below it. If the threshold is 1500 RPM in your car (which seems really low...) then you won't have any boost until you get above that, so it's the threshold, not the lag that's affecting you. I think we're sorta agreeing on that, if you're at 1500 RPM while trying to start from a stop on a slippery surface you're doing something wrong.
Well said. In heavy equipment, starting out in the improper gear can precipitate drive train damage.
Chad Jessup because their torque is bigger than normal cars.
Yes, definitely.
It depends on what you call "heavy equipment". On a powerful semi truck, even when heavily loaded, you have to use 5-6th gear to accelerate from a complete stop. First gear will just redline almost instantly. Lower gears in semis are meant for big load hill crawling and maneuvering around.
Breixo - On a semi-truck, heavily loaded " you have to use 5-6th gear to accelerate from a complete stop." NEVER - because that will drop a driveline or wreck the clutch. Sometimes I have forgotten, once stopped, to move the selector switch from high range to low range, and thinking the transmission was in first gear, tried to take off. The rig just jumped badly indicating to me that I needed to take it out of gear, select low range, put it back in gear, and then proceed.
The kind of video I like the most in this channel
Of course it's okay to start in 2nd Gear! That's how Todd Togers got a 5.51 in his world record drag race. He just had to pop the clutch, or something like that? I don't have any proof though, since I wasn't there.
It all depends on the torque curve of the engine. Cars with a high torque engine should always be moved off in 2nd. Of course, such engines haven't been built for over 80 years. I start off in 2nd gear with the engine idling at less than 500 rpm. Bags of torque at low engine speed, drop the clutch very quickly, never slip the clutch, and move off. What is my car?
In manual trans passenger vehicles I always start in first, in big trucks I start in 2nd.
big trucks have the lowest gear(s) for when they're hauling something really heavy, are on an incline or offroads, or a combination of all three.
My brother's 7.3 IDI turbo with a zf5 5 speed manual had enough torque to take off in 4th with no extra throttle. You could drop the clutch in second on pavement and it would chirp the tires even without touching the accelerator.
Anthony Wubben unless that thing was BUILT. And I mean BUILT then you are telling tall tales. My mustang makes more torque than a stock turbo 7.3 and there is no such thing as dumping the clutch from idle. In ANY gear.
Zachary Smith I'm dead serious I couldn't believe it either. The 4.10 rear probably helped
My friend has an old International Harvester and he always launches it in 3rd street gear when he isn't pulling any load and it is no problem.
Was driving an Iveco Daily transporter with 6 gears on the weekend for 1245km. 800 of it without cargo. The 1st is that short, you have to shift up in less than a transporter length with moderate acceleration and starting in 2nd was as smooth as with any car. I recon 1st is calibrated for a full load on a incline and you can get away with 2nd on the flat without load.
The same in Iveco buses. In hill accelerating on 1 (when the bus is full of people), otherwise on 2.
Sounds like 1st is a crawler gear like in lorries and buses.
Starting in 2nd gear in a land rover defender is basically essential to get anywhere.
Great video and good explanations. There is one more reason why you might want to start in second gear. Clutch emergency situations. If your clutch finally decided to give away and you don't have much room to drive to make it home or to the mechanics. You may start in 2nd gear and engage 3rd and 4th gear by ear.
I’m going to assume this video is directed at people who drive cars and suvs. Lots of pickups have a granny gear. You only use granny gear (1st) gear when you have a heavy load like a trailer. You start in second normally. 1st gear won’t get you past like 2 mph. It’s just like tractor trailers. When something is designed to have huge variations in load you need different ways to shift.
Depends on gear ratio and transmission ratio. I always started in 2nd in my diesel truck. 1st was to low except for towing or off-road.
I’m re learning manual in a 7.3 f350, would you say it’s better to start in second? or learn the regular way?
Dacia Duster in 4x4 recommends to start in 2nd if you don't tow, you are light and you are not in hill.
Yep, we know it as Renault Duster in Russia and many people starts on 2nd. The 1st has a very low ratio suitable for heavy conditions.
I always start my diesel out in 2nd unless I’m on a steep hill going up it
Youl wear out the clutch faster
@@danijel124 Trucks are often an exception. First is often an ultra low low gear. Ironically, its so you don't burn up your clutch trying to move heavy loads or crawling at low speed. On my 92 F150 with the Borg-Warner T18 4 speed, 1st is not even synchronized, is a straight cut gear so its noisy, and going from idle to 3500 rpm gets you to about 8 mph.....maybe, and the rear diff isn't even geared all that low. Its only purpose is to give you tons of torque. Old trucks were basically street legal tractors. Some trucks also labeled it as L to prevent confusion that it wasn't a normal 1st gear.
@@danijel124 Diesel's can be very different. Often first is only needed when you're towing a heavy trailer, or need to crawl along at low speeds.
Remember the old trucks with the old granny gear I never used 1st. Unless I was pulling trees out of the ground but started vin 2nd. Or 3rd.
Start in 1st, unless you're in a 3/4-1 ton truck that has a granny low first gear then start in 2nd unless you're hauling a load. The heavier rated trucks have a 2nd gear that is equivalent to most vehicles 1st gear.
Solid explanation. I can see why your subs are climbing steadily. Proper engineering based advice from a real engineer. Sorely lacking from the big auto channels.
I always start in second in both my 6-speed 24v Cummins and my 5-speed 12v (unless I'm pulling something). Both will only go up to around 9 MPH in first.
I start in reverse just to hear that straight cut wine
I dont got a whine
You are a truly brilliant explainer! Clear concise and just the right level of terminology. Folks who know how their cars work are going to have fewer problems by driving them sympathetically...
Thanks!!
but only in theory
So, what's the difference between slipping the clutch longer by starting in second gear, and slipping your clutch longer by letting it out slower in first gear? The whole point is that it is easier to keep the wheels from spinning when you start in second because you don't have to be so precise with either the clutch or the accelerator as you would in first. If you try to keep your rpms too low, you risk stalling the engine, and if you let the clutch out too quickly, you spin the wheels when you are in first gear. No matter how you look at it, starting on snow or ice requires a little more wear on the clutch. The other option is to stay home all winter.
I had a heavy duty 5 speed on my 1995 f250, I swear you couldnt let off the clutch pedal before you were hitting redline. Starting in 2nd gear was just basically like starting in 1st in any other vehicle I've been in.
Exactly how it is in my 1989 f250
Your reason to avoid starting in second gear is because it requires you to slip the clutch for a greater length of time, but your suggested alternative for moving off in low-traction scenarios is to slip the clutch for longer than usual in first gear? What's the difference?
It’s not good to always do because you’ll wear it out more often. It’s not always snowing so the few times you start in 2nd it doesn’t take that much life, still more life taken out of it then If you had just started in 1st but you’re less likely to get bogged.
Basically he's saying try to avoid slipping the clutch as much as possible but sometimes you have to
SAVE THE MANUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheque Roller EV
or just move to somewhere whats not murica
I'm German and don't know anyone who drives automatic transmission.
all the good cars were already made in the 80s and 90s. New cars suck so it doesn't matter.
My first car was a used 1968 Pontiac Firebird with a 350 cu engine and a four-speed transmission. During winter months, I put 4 studded Michelin tires on it, and added 2 25-lb bags of marble chips to the trunk.
This worked very well, and when it was very slippery, starting from 2nd gear resulted in a lot less tire spinning and a smoother "launch".
The factory shift linkage used to bind, and one time it bound so tightly that I couldn't shift and couldn't work it loose. And since it was stuck in 3rd gear, I started in 3rd and drove home in 3rd (9 mpg cruising in 3rd). And had it replaced with a Hurst shifter and linkage that worked perfectly and never gave me a ounce of trouble.
My dad once told me with the old pickups with the granny low 4 on the floor you always start in second and treat it like a three speed, unless you had a load on, than you start in first. Now days we got 5 spds and he told me that you should start in first to keep wear off your clutch. Good video, you proved what i always thought was true is true :)
According to Todd Rogers, It is.
I came here specifically to see if this comment existed. Thank you, sir.
Not enough people get this 😂😂
You neglected to cover the last bit about very short 1st gear scenarios. I drive a mustang with 3.55:1 gears and my 1st gear red lines almost instantly when I start in first gear whereas 2nd feel smooth and natural.
if 1st is tall enough that it could redline 25mph, and it probably is, you should be fine to start in first. "very short first" is more of a truck "granny gear" situation, which a mustang doesn't have.
Ryan exactly. A semi truck's first gear will get you to maybe 2 or 4 mph.
Same issue with my Mustang as well. Use first most of the time but it is in and out.
I'll have to retrain my brain but I'll start pulling out in 1st gear from now on lol
2016 GTI here, first gear hits 40's and second goes to 70's. Only start in first. I never started in second even in my old car which had a really short first. If you're driving a manual you should focus on gas pedal modulation rather than gearing shortcuts.
I have never worn out a clutch disc, but have had a clutch cover finger fail, and a throwout bearing fail so I replaced the clutch while in there. Knowing this, I usually start out in second gear in my S52 M-Roadster (casual driving). Engine has plenty of torque to do so, sometimes I skip from 2nd to 3rd to 5th (1:1).
4:20 that was a really cool shot, almost looked smooth enough to be a dolly shot, great job.
Just gimbal, no dolly
My 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E six-cylinder 4-speed auto was designed to start in 2nd gear under normal driving.
Only if you floored the accelerator and hit the kick-down switch, it would use 1st, or if you locked the gear selector in 1st.
This was described in the user's manual as a design aspect to improve passenger comfort and reduce the chances of wheel spin.
The car had enough power to match other traffic while accelerating in 2nd gear on the flat. It would sometimes select 1st on a hill-start.
Just started in 2nd gear from a dead stop (manual transmission) because someone had right of way and i forgot to put it in first gear...
Glad i released the clutch pedal slowly enough.
It was an accident so I'll be more carefull next time.
Rookie mistake i guess.
I once started a Nissan Versa in 3rd because it was a 6 speed and I didn't know how the pattern worked lol
The guy looked at me like I was a maniac.
Generally I start the engine while my car is engaged in second gear.
I will still take off in 2nd in my Honda Civic.
1st gear is way too short...
What year is it?
My 1964 Has a special driving mode for snowy, icy, low traction conditions. In that driving mode, it starts in 2nd and shifts in to the highest gear ratio the engine can run with at the speed you are going no matter how far you have the accelerator depressed, similar to what you were describing with some cars. That thing was so ahead of it's time, it even has technology in it with just the base model that many cars now days don't even have.
I got the same Crosstrek and I can't get over how gorgeous it looks.
Its great to jumpstart in 2nd gear tho :D
Aurimas Knieža yeh because car will have speed when u engage clutch
You mean a push start?
Yes, a bumpstart should probably be done in 2nd. That's not the issue he's addressing.
smminco
But something that would have been cool to add to this video.
FIRST! ..... gear
When are you going to install your turbo on the S2000?
Keep up the good work 👍
Supercharger is going on in early May! Just a couple weeks away. :) Hey hey!
Engineering Explained Hey Hey, that is not long anymore :D looking forward to it!
Im still wondering why you chose the supercharger.
In an interview with Alex (on the toilet) you prefered the turbo for its efficiency.
Thanks for commenting man 👍
But its about the power delivery and the driving experience connected with it..
The s2k have low torque and power in lower rpm so the supercharger is usefull in that scenario!
Depends on the supercharger, a supercharger which only makes torque in high revs could also be fun in an s2000, i mean driving it with such rpm is kind of the point of the car in the end
My friend says it's bad to down shift back to gear 1 while the car is still moving. Is it true?
If you don't rev match, it wears the clutch.
Well, it's tough on the synchros, but not the worst thing in the world. It's better for it to double-clutch if you're going to first. Anything above about 5 mph, probably better to just put it in second.
Everything you said but the snow aspect is true. You must not drive in snow very often. 100% starting in a higher gear when you have very little traction is what you do.
In regular car transmissions yes its bad it wears out the synchronizers in the transmission very quickly best to just shift to neutral and use the brakes, brakes are quite a bit cheaper than having the transmission replaced or rebuilt due to improper shifting techniques. Now in big trucks yes its fine they're built to do so, far less stress on the drive train by shifting without the clutch, takes practice but it works very well.
Hi Jason, first of all - thanks for all of your hard work. I rea0lly like the channel you have here.
There is a bit of a second thought on starting from a 2nd gear, though. The nerdy self of me, just can't be silent :)
When you are on a slippery surface (heavy rain, mud, "snowy mud", ice). It is very tricky not to lose all of the grip that car have when applying the clutch. Things really depend on a whole lot of a different stuff:
- power of the engine, torque
- how good are you at feel the moment of that clutch's "catch" point (driving skills). It is really hard for human foot to control that point on the "edges" of the clutch pedal "movement room"
- how fast your clutch "catches it". This is really depends on the model and the car. the "spinning moment" for 1st gear can be really small and it can be really hard to stop in between of it in order to control the power.
- how really new your car's clutch is. Especially when you driving in the mountains ;) It can be "not new" after couple of rides, if you know what I mean. I am talking here about that "catch" point being changed.
The main point is always stay safe. And to stay safe you should keep control of your car and prevent wheels to spin.
When it is slippery, 2nd gear provides that additional "room" for clutch pedal to control the "catch" point. And additional room offers you additional safety, i.e. no wheel spin.
Yep, clutch is wounded in the process. But being safe is a value to consider.
Cars of the 50's were often started in 2nd and for towing or fully laden in Emergency 1st. I use that principle on the Defender when empty-no problems so far with 170,000 miles on the original clutch.
Is it same on manual diesel vehicles?
niel546 yeah. Sometimes (like in a big truck) first gear starts are impractical, because they are geared very very low to start big loads. But generally it's best to start in 1st
Only if you're towing heavy or driving something small like a TDI VW. My truck's 1st gear is useless for everything except getting massively heavy loads moving. I can easily take off at idle in 2nd on flat ground. I don't even use 1st for uphill starts. 2nd on uphills is like 1st on flat ground for most other vehicles.
All the ones I've driven you start in 2nd, 1st is way too low geared to be used for regular driving without a load.
Are u guys only talking about trucks? Because normal diesel cars you also start in first gear 90% of the time.
Sometimes it can be helpful to have some wheel spin. In snow, wheel spin causes the tyre to dig through the snow to the tarmac road underneath, giving you more traction.
Not in most cases. Most of the time it just digs you into the snow because there is never just an inch of snow on the road.
That all depends on where you live. But in most places, it works. Team O'Niel Rally School teaches this, and they are based in New Hampshire, which gets plenty of snow.
In a cold climate, spinning your wheels on the snow will only turn it to ice, wich is even worse...
Can confirm.
Also, if you're in a driveway or short stretch of parking lot that hasn't been cleared of snow, what can be helpful is to just floor it all the way through (automatics are especially well-suited for this). And if you're accidentally on a stretch of unmaintained road and feel your wheels slowing down from mud, rally balls out until you get to maintained roads again. You've nothing to lose and everything to gain
4:47 #ThugLife 😂
My car is a manual. I didn’t get good tires this snow season, and there have been a few times that the car would inch out of the driveway in 2nd when 1st would spin the tires even with no throttle at all.
My mother always started in second gear at a stop sign because she never came to a complete stop in the country early in the morning.
"your lack of driving skill"
That hurt me a little. But I'll take that as constructive critism. Driving in snow with rwd is hard okay 😢
Lmao. I suck at driving manual, no sugar coating. Or more accurately I'm inexperienced I've had autos my whole life and have had a manual for about 3 weeks. Only stalled that Bish once 😎
Anna G not bad man. I’ll buy my first manual car very soon
@@dennissolodovnik2168 how's the manuel doing?
Moparty 440 great. I’ve only driven manual a few times before I bought the car. But it’s going well. If you know the basics you should be fine!
Like always a good explanation
I don’t know about you but my car does not make enough power for me to comfortably start rolling in second
lmao my car can literally start in 4th gear.. it's a Hyundai Accent 94'
For a manual: Not once did you mention lugging the engine once the clutch is engaged in 2nd gear at a stop. Clutch wear is the least of your problems: Try bottom end. And as for manual takeoff in snow/ice: Anyone that has had to drive in the snow will have taken off in 2nd or 3rd depending on how much torque their engine has. You can only modulate that gas pedal so much. The stress point will be at the weakest point: The tire-snow interface. Clutch and bottom end will be fine. Same reason you don't use solid gear coupled 4WD on the freeway/asphalt, but on the dirt where there's slip at the tires.
To manuals: I understand the need for a longer slip if you start in 2nd. However, you do save one instance of shifting and slipping (as long as you weren't gonna stay at 1st gear speeds all along), so how do we factor in that the cumulative time of slipping is similar as we continue to accelerate and shift from from idle to 1st then 1st to 2nd?
Exactly, I have to hold the clutch at the bite point so long on my Toyota Yaris in first and it actually slides right into gear quickly in second. My experience with my own car tells me I'm hurting my clutch more, and jerking the car, and occasionally even stalling in first, but second it absolutely loves. Idk, I don't see how it's worse.
I start in 6th gear going up a steep hill in a wankel engine.
R.i.p
Do you know how to stall?
Do you even stall bro?
Hey its rude to talk about your wankel engine.
When you dad buyed a diesel Mazda and you wanted a RX-8
Munozl360 You are bluffing.