I agree. I thought this film was stupid but some people like it. I noticed Rich Eisen brings it up and forgot he is in the movie. Anyone in the NFL in this film says nice things about it. LOL As for the draft trading this is the NFL and during the draft all these NFL Teams act like Teenager's playing in a local Fantasy Football League making wild trades. NFL Teams covet First Rd Draft Picks. Trading your 6th pick for 3 2's is dumb and trading 3 first rd picks for the 6th pick is dumber. Both the Jags and Seattle GM would be fired. Look at all the heat the Falcon's front office is taking for signing Kirk Cousins to an over priced FA contract and taking Penix at #8 right now. These trades in the film were manipulated so as to create drama and in the end make Costner's character look brilliant. I doubt the XFL would make these kind of trades. I compare the dumb College Basketball film Blue Chips as comparison. I live in Indiana where Blue Chips was filmed. Nick Nolte basically is trying to play Bobby Knight. What's amusing is when Blue Chips came out in 1994 the local media was all about promoting the film. After it came out no one was willing to admit it was stupid.
@tBagley43 Jacksonville had already traded the #6 pick so that point is irrelevant. Seattle didn't call because Jax didn't need a QB so they thought they would just get Callahan at #7 without needing to trade. I hate to defend this movie because it is kind of corny. But there is a reason he traded up to #1, why we was able to get #6 from Jax, and why Seattle took the trade to #6 to get their franchise QB.
Is it a dumb movie? Yes. Do I still really enjoy it and watch it every year on draft day? Also yes. Weird how the movie starts with Seattle having the 1st pick considering they’re 1 of only 3 teams who’ve never picked 1st overall. Although the most hilarious aspect of this move is the implication that Dallas recently won a SB.
It's incredibly amusing as a seahawks fan to see them have the no 1 overall pick in 2014, when in reality 2013 was the year they utterly skullfucked the Broncos in the Superbowl.
Here's three reasons I never bought the $100 in playbook scenario: 1) They act like these college players don't talk to each other. How many years would they try this trick before it's common knowledge? One group text ruins the whole thing. 2) I assume they don't really put the $100 on the last page. If it's an actual playbook, it's a binder with hundreds of plays. Even if a player looks at the binder for two minutes, they're going to look at the first few pages and then flip to the end of the book. The $100 should be tucked in between the halfway point and 3/4. 3) If you're a top 10 prospect, and you're sent 5 to 10 playbooks by different teams you're not going to read 10 playbooks cover to cover. Why? That's what training camp with your teammates/coaches is for. Yes, I've put more thought into this playbook than the writers did in all the trade scenarios at the end of the movie.
You want a general understanding of scheme and how to break down defenses. A playbook is just white noise and learning every play... is kinda dumb for a team you likely won't play for.
You guys don’t watch sports often? You didn’t play sports growing up? In general, it seems like everyone in this thread doesn’t understand sports, business or assessing and choosing the correct candidate for an enterprises needs?
The funniest thing about this movie is how the Seahawks have the first overall pick. This is funny because the Seahawks literally won the Super Bowl the season before the movie came out.
The thing that frustrated me most about this movie is they completely gave up on realism with that last seahawks/browns trade just to get a cheap happy ending, and they assumed the audience was too stupid to realize no team would agree to those terms.
@TNTITAN fair point about Walker, that was ridiculous by the Vikings. but modern era of the draft I can't think of a single example where a team gave up all those 1sts, plus a player, just to move up from 7 to 6. If it had been from 3 to 1 then yes that has happened before, but to jump a single space after pick 5, in exchange for that compensation has literally never once happened.
Even the Jaguars trade before that didn't make a lot of sense. Just this year the Texans got two second rounders for a pick in the 20s and we're supposed a buy that the 6th pick is worth just one more?
@@bigbearkat2010that trade was bad imo too. No team will give up 3 seconds for pick 6 although do suggest looking at the Julio Jones draft trade. Browns traded 6th overall pick for 27th overall pick, 2nd rounder that year 4ths this and next and a future 1st round pick. Same trade except for 27th being a late 1st and an extra 1st vs a 2nd. Keep in mind this was considered a lot at the time
@@MustacheDLuffy it was considered a lot at the time because it was. I personally have a hard believing any GM would willingly give up a top 10 pick without at least a 1st being in the equation.
@@bigbearkat2010I’m not saying the movie was realistic but the whole point was the Jaguars GM was a novice who the Browns believed was out of his depth so they believed they could force him to panic while he was on the clock and make a bad trade. Yeah it was far fetched and it wouldn’t happen in real life but in the movie they did the best they could to up the drama by showing the Jaguars GM panicking that drafting BC would be career destroying because he had missed something that everyone else knew. A movie about the Browns trading up to No.1 to pick the best QB then they draft him wouldn’t have made for much drama.
They also spend the whole movie acting like 2 future firsts to move from 7 to 1 is some unbelievable fleecing and not just par for the course. This movie is kind of terrible but I love it and it’s a draft day tradition for me.
I don't doubt for a second that the movie based Molina on Dan Snyder. This movie came out before Dan Snyder's more horrendous antics really came to light, but from a pure football standpoint, Molina is 100% Dan Snyder. "Make a splash", "Win now", "I'm gonna fire you if you don't do what I say." Is the movie itself greatly exaggerated? Absolutely. Do I still really enjoy it because I'm an NFL junkie? Absolutely.
If they just made this movie about NBA draft day, it would've been a bigger hit, and all trades would seem great because literally any random sh!t happens in the NBA.
Lets not forget that in REAL LIFE, the Browns traded 3 first and 2 seconds for Deshaun Watson from the Texans. Then those same Texans facing the choice between CJ Stroud and Will Anderson made the trades on draft night to get both 2023 offensive and defensive rookies of the year
1. That happened a DECADE after this dumpster fire of a film. 2. The Texans trade was at least logical for one team; you can’t say the same for ANY team in this trainwreck.
The GM and the owner having conflicting views on how to improve the team? This is the most accurate movie to describe the browns front office before 2020
To make it feel realistic, they had to end the movie before the season starts. We all know, if it goes on past that, Cleveland finishes 9-7, get knocked out of the wild card of the playoffs. Then the following season, they'd go 5-11, follow that with a 4-12 season, then Costner is fired.
This movie was so bad it was good😂 The ending took me out, the things the GM did made me feel like the writers had very limited knowledge on how an NFL front office is was ran.
The Seahawks reasoning for the trade was because of salary cap issues. By making the 2nd trade, they got Callahan at a 7 million dollar cheaper contract and the GM saves face. Not saying the trade was smart. Just providing their reason in the movie which isn’t mentioned in the video
Which is even dumber honestly. How badly is this team mismanaged that they can't spare cap space for their generational draft pick that's going to make next to nothing salary wise for the next several seasons?
Nice try, Mr. Straw Man It may be, ‘just a movie’, but said movie is someone’s job to accurately portray and/or create; and that person failed.. In almost any other job, if you fail to competently perform your duties; you’d get fired. Whereas, most movie directors and writers, just get to simply cut their losses, without significant repercussions; more often than not. So, holding crappy or inaccurate movies accountable, is the least we should do.
Lmao so Seattle, a team with the first overall pick, which most likely their pick, which means they're basically dogshit, have no cap space for a first overall pick? The GM should be fired before the movie takes place
The last trade is such a over the top Hollywood story. The Browns are the ones who are screwed. If they pick the new QB, then they are screwed in trying to get rid of him. If they don't pick him, then the Seahawks get him with the next pick. The movie acts like the Draft clock is like a bomb that is going to go off. But if the Browns don't make a pick in their time, then the Seahawks get to pick and the Browns have to pick after them! Somehow, the acting from Costner - as well as the editing, music, and "movie magic" makes it work!
what was even more dumb was all these paid scouts didn't notice that every time Vontae and Bo were on the field together, Bo got happy feet, but he played fine when Vontae was out. The fact that Vontae was the one to point that out is nuts lmao. The most basic commentators would've caught that.
I know it's been 10 years but I ought to apologize to my dad for making him pay for us to this stupid ass film in theaters. I keep forgetting about its existence
@@AndaiMB true, I didn’t mean hate in anyway btw lol I was just stating the fact that I always see movies that I enjoyed on RUclips videos ranting about why they aren’t good
I remember this movie being pitched as the browns actually having a good draft, but it seems like massive incompetence by the GM and they do nothing to show us that any of this actually worked out.
Main character who we are supposed to believe is a genius panics hard, gets made a fool of by his peers/competitors, and makes a mess for his team. His co-workers call him out for his stupidity and he tells them to shut up and trust him to do his job. Main character somehow totally redeems himself because his peer unexpectedly panics even harder to draft a QB they are not crazy about. Draft haul is sketchy as regards turning team into immediate contender, largely dependent on whether the QB they already have can drastically improve performance in coming season. I expect main character got fired at season's end.
Yeah Sonny as a character is really confusing. In real life the GMs that pay 3 first rounders like this are ridiculed hard and at best are labeled as the biggest black marks of their careers if they're not seen as an outright joke but this movie wants us to believe he's playing 4D chess. Then again he wouldn't be a Costner protagonist without other characters talking about how awesome he is like he's in a Steven Seagal movie.
Costner redeemed himself because his counter parts were dumber. In the end the Browns owner is happy. But in reality he went back home and thought is THIS the kind of man I want being GM of my team? Costner traded up to the first pick to draft a Linebacker/pass rusher IMAO. Only reason teams trade up in the NFL is for a QB. Yet Costner character is made out to be brilliant at the end. LOL
You can’t pull a Scott Fitterer followed by a Ryan pace and expect to not get fired. Those 2 drafted Bryce young and Mitchell Trubisky and have both since been fired. He didn’t because as you’ve mentioned his GM peers panic even harder than he panics
@@MustacheDLuffy At least with Fitterer and Pace their trade ups were on the premise they'd be getting the much needed QB of the future so they got a few months or even a couple years before people felt comfortable laughing at them. Costner got a defensive player he didn't even need to trade up for in the first place, without Seattle blinking, he'd probably be evaluated for the psych ward.
@@bigbearkat2010 he gave up significant capital like Fitterer did and then pulls a Ryan pace by not letting anybody know who he was going to draft which Ryan pace did not letting anybody know he wanted Trubisky I don’t know how you double down on stupid moves and even keep your job after the season
Kirk Cousins is practically a Boy Scout, he isn’t one to cause a scene. Also, I don’t think Falcons management directly went to him and said what Sonny had said
@@AndaiMB They've guaranteed him 100 million before he's even had training camp with them, until this latest draft, I assumed Kirk would be the last guy they'd want to deliberately piss off.
I think originally they were gonna make Bo Callahan a clear bust, but no NFL team, in a work of fiction, didn’t want them to draft a clear bust. So they instead made it that “he could have a been a bust” instead of a clear bust.
I imagine the pitch is like whatever sports fantasy Costner wants to play out, it's a go. A perfect game in baseball...For Love of the Game. Play in the US Open? Tin Cup. Be an NFL GM. Draft Day. Sure why not.
The most unrealistic part of the movie is that in the last scene, all the Browns fans are happy with the two picks and they start chanting “Super Bowl, Super Bowl” and it’s supposed to be this emotional moment
It'd be a short movie if it went according to facts. Not even the Raiders would do what the protagonist did in this film. Maybe Al Davis, after all he left Oakland, only to move back.
Love the movie and while I feel in your sarcasm you misrepresent a few things.... for example, winning and losing is always a thing, but more importantly the owner wanted to make a splash. I've no doubt that similar scenarios have played out in the NFL where an owner steps in with a specific demand, I suspect it's actually fairly common. The biggest criticism seems to be the terms of the 2 trades and I agree, the trade with the seahawks especially is insane... the first trade was with a new GM if I recall correctly and it's not that crazy to think a new GM could drop the ball that badly, still in both cases yes, not realistic at all but then again this is a movie and much like a WWE match, we all suspend disbelief for the entertainment value. While I think if you are watching the movie for a documentary on draft day you will be disappointed, if you watch it for it's entertainment value and some interesting interactions between Owner/GM, GM/coach, GM/player and the general excitement that surrounds the draft every year, well you might just find you enjoy it.
3 other movie "draft picks": the 1999 Oliver Stone sports/drama film, "Any Given Sunday" (Al Pacino, Dennis Quaid, James Woods, Cameron Diaz, LL Cool J, Ann-Margaret, Lauren Holly, Charlton Heston, Jamie Foxx, Matthew Modine, John C. McGinley) & "Jerry Maguire" (1996/Cameron Crowe-directed (sports/comedy/drama) film: Tom Cruise, Cuba Gooding Jr., Renée Zellweger, Kelly Preston) & "The Longest Yard (2005: Peter Segal-directed film; remake of the Burt Reynolds 70's classic, with Adam Sandler; Chris Rock, Nick Turturro, rapper Nelly, Terry Crews, Uncle Joey ("Coco") Diaz, David Patrick Kelly ("The Warriors" Rogue gang leader); pro wrestlers: "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, Bill Goldberg, the Great Khali; NFL pro ballers: Michael Irvin, Bob Sapp)...
From a storytelling perspective, they really should've stressed that they needed a punt returner. Or established David Putney in some way. Either make him the best returner in the league or present him as someone Sonny was interested in before.
I love that Costner has to ask his people what the name of the Jax GM is. Also, another GM(Houston I think) calls Costner to get a scouting report on Mack. Its like bro, did you not scout him yourself? Also, Mack complains about possibly falling out of the top 10 or whatever because he needs money to take care of his nephews. Dude thats still millions of dollars.
I love how they try to yadda yadda away the second trade with Seattle. Somehow the details of the first trade weren't public knowledge, so Seahawks fans didn't know that Seattle had all of Cleveland's future picks in the first place.
You have to remember....this movie is for all of the armchair GMs who force trades like this in Madden and this is the vehicle for that fantasy self insert ride. I mean didn't you hear him, he said Bo was a BUST...because of a gut feeling. A BUST....the worst thing you could ever say about a player that hasn't yet been drafted....and he said it out loud.
It’s still hilarious they chose Cleveland as the organization that would be making suave moves on Draft Day. The only way it could be more absurd is if it was the Raiders.
If there’s draft day2 Bryant Drew re-injure 1st game into the season, Ray cannot shake his off the field problem, Mack is a bust and Bo overcome his mental weakness after seeing therapist and become ROY. Sunny fxxk up all the picks their get back from the Seahawks.
I still love this movie because of the actors In this movie. I understand the trade thing was dumb like you ain't getting yo picks back when you trade them but I still loved this movie.
I’ve always found it strange how the film writers chose the Broncos to get the first overall pick in this movie, despite being one of three teams to never have the 1st pick.
Who throws in a punt returner in a trade like this? Well the Chargers did when they got Tim Dwight in package with Falcons when Falcons traded up to get Michael Vick in 2001.
The most ridiculous thing about the Seattle trade is that they needed a QB, had the # 1 pick, had what appeared to be a generational QB ready to draft, and they still traded the pick to Cleveland. That’s a fireable offence. Can you imagine the Colts trading away from drafting Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck? The entire city would be ready to burn down the stadium. As for trading back all of Cleveland’s picks plus the punt returner, for a guy who you could have just taken at # 1, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. The Seattle GM is officially the worst in the league.
They didnt expect that quaterback to fall like that, now they have a actual shot at getting him and the quaterback they needed they had to re do the deal
There are problems with this movie, but none to do with the actual trading. It’s unrealistic, but a lot of trades seem really dumb. The actual problems are with the idea that the Browns have a long time, revered coach even though it’s made a point in the movie that the browns are terrible and have been for quite some time.
Not a big fan of Moneyball either, seeing as it's supposed to be a true story. Mulder, Hudson, and Zito were 3 stud aces in the prime of their careers. They are the main reason the A's were solid throughout that era. They weren't even MENTIONED in the movie, let alone portrayed. They focused on Hattenburg and David Justice. As we now know it was the steroid era but any team with good pitching would be legit too. Moneyball low-key sucked
I love this movie because of how unrealistic it is. I mean it doesn't even try. No team is going to trade a top 10 pick for a punch of 2nd round pick. No one. Even Shahid Kahn would have fired his GM after this. The crap in this movie doesn't even happen in fantasy drafts.
I remember getting to the end of the movie and being like wow I cannot believe with how involved the NFL was no one gave a shit about the movie making a lick of sense 😂
I knew this movie wasn’t realistic when Roger Goodell came out for the draft and he wasn’t booed by the fans
Ayyye props for the Hester mention. One of my faves
The movie slaps, you knew it was gonna e fraudulent when they made Cleveland the protagonist
The owner being a win now idiot was pretty on brand though
As a Cleveland browns fan I can agree
Propaganda at its finest. Cleveland to follow would be a shit show
It’s pretty common Cleveland is in the low end of the draft. Especially when this movie was made
I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT THIS😭😭😭😭
The browns were willing to give up significant capital for the first pick and didn’t interview the #1 QB?? 😭
A very Browns thing to do.
The most realistic thing in the movie.
They had to kake it very realistic. Its a browns thing to do
I mean that does sound like the Browns
See the present team for their quarterback. Three #1 for semi-star.
I can’t believe nobody had a problem w him fucking the financial manager seems like a bad thing
Definitely not the most professional work environment
@@AndaiMB it is Cleveland after all
Did they know though? I had always gotten the impression they were seeing each other in secret.
@@AndaiMBThe movie director not just a browns fanboy with a power fantasy but a sexual fantasy too? Damn lmao
@@MustacheDLuffyGeorge Kokkinnis took inspiration from this movie
The important thing to remember is that thanks to all those trades, Cleveland would go 0-16. They had Superman and Black Panther and could not win.
I still can’t believe they traded 3 seconds for pick 6 then flipped that pick for 3 firsts
I agree. I thought this film was stupid but some people like it. I noticed Rich Eisen brings it up and forgot he is in the movie. Anyone in the NFL in this film says nice things about it. LOL As for the draft trading this is the NFL and during the draft all these NFL Teams act like Teenager's playing in a local Fantasy Football League making wild trades. NFL Teams covet First Rd Draft Picks. Trading your 6th pick for 3 2's is dumb and trading 3 first rd picks for the 6th pick is dumber. Both the Jags and Seattle GM would be fired. Look at all the heat the Falcon's front office is taking for signing Kirk Cousins to an over priced FA contract and taking Penix at #8 right now. These trades in the film were manipulated so as to create drama and in the end make Costner's character look brilliant. I doubt the XFL would make these kind of trades. I compare the dumb College Basketball film Blue Chips as comparison. I live in Indiana where Blue Chips was filmed. Nick Nolte basically is trying to play Bobby Knight. What's amusing is when Blue Chips came out in 1994 the local media was all about promoting the film. After it came out no one was willing to admit it was stupid.
@@TJIRISH44the acting was really was good but that’s it
right? like couldn't seattle just make a better deal with jacksonville directly?
@tBagley43 Jacksonville had already traded the #6 pick so that point is irrelevant. Seattle didn't call because Jax didn't need a QB so they thought they would just get Callahan at #7 without needing to trade. I hate to defend this movie because it is kind of corny. But there is a reason he traded up to #1, why we was able to get #6 from Jax, and why Seattle took the trade to #6 to get their franchise QB.
forgot p diddy was in this movie lmao
I think we’d all like to forget
ain’t no party like a diddy party
I'm here right after his video release 😮
Diddy loves playing with the Browns
I like how he asks, “What do we need?” Like he doesn’t know his own team lol
Seems like the script could’ve been used another draft
*bah dum tiss*
@@zachhoepfer521 I could’ve also said that the real draft day was when they wrote this script in 24 hours
Is it a dumb movie? Yes. Do I still really enjoy it and watch it every year on draft day? Also yes. Weird how the movie starts with Seattle having the 1st pick considering they’re 1 of only 3 teams who’ve never picked 1st overall. Although the most hilarious aspect of this move is the implication that Dallas recently won a SB.
Same. Since it came out, I watch it either the day before or day of the NFL draft.
It's incredibly amusing as a seahawks fan to see them have the no 1 overall pick in 2014, when in reality 2013 was the year they utterly skullfucked the Broncos in the Superbowl.
Cowboys doing anything resemblimg competence is really the most unrealistic part
I like to imagine the ring was one of the 90s Cowboys super bowls. Denis Leary is old enough to have been in his late 30 during the Emmet Smith era 😂
Very unrealistic but fun.
Here's three reasons I never bought the $100 in playbook scenario:
1) They act like these college players don't talk to each other. How many years would they try this trick before it's common knowledge? One group text ruins the whole thing.
2) I assume they don't really put the $100 on the last page. If it's an actual playbook, it's a binder with hundreds of plays. Even if a player looks at the binder for two minutes, they're going to look at the first few pages and then flip to the end of the book. The $100 should be tucked in between the halfway point and 3/4.
3) If you're a top 10 prospect, and you're sent 5 to 10 playbooks by different teams you're not going to read 10 playbooks cover to cover. Why? That's what training camp with your teammates/coaches is for.
Yes, I've put more thought into this playbook than the writers did in all the trade scenarios at the end of the movie.
You should’ve been in the writer’s room
You want a general understanding of scheme and how to break down defenses. A playbook is just white noise and learning every play... is kinda dumb for a team you likely won't play for.
@@jdramirez77 Not to mention the team leaves themselves extremely vulnerable to getting their playbook stolen
Writers didn’t make that up, teams have done similar things in the past.
Search Jamarcus Russell of the Raiders
You guys don’t watch sports often? You didn’t play sports growing up?
In general, it seems like everyone in this thread doesn’t understand sports, business or assessing and choosing the correct candidate for an enterprises needs?
This movie was so fucking absurd
The funniest thing about this movie is how the Seahawks have the first overall pick. This is funny because the Seahawks literally won the Super Bowl the season before the movie came out.
Kirk Cousins just became real-life Brian Drew
Ironically the guy from money ball now runs the Browns in real life
I didn’t know that that’s interesting
@@cowboyschad5x778 Jonah Hill's character does, not Brad Pitt's
The thing that frustrated me most about this movie is they completely gave up on realism with that last seahawks/browns trade just to get a cheap happy ending, and they assumed the audience was too stupid to realize no team would agree to those terms.
I willing to be ok with it, because stupid trades have happened before. Dallas-Viking trade for Walker was unrealistic but actually did occur.
@TNTITAN fair point about Walker, that was ridiculous by the Vikings. but modern era of the draft I can't think of a single example where a team gave up all those 1sts, plus a player, just to move up from 7 to 6. If it had been from 3 to 1 then yes that has happened before, but to jump a single space after pick 5, in exchange for that compensation has literally never once happened.
Crazy things do happen. Like the Saints and Ricky Williams deal
Most unrealistic thing in the movie? Seahawks having the #1 pick.
Seahawks have NEVER had pick #1 in their 50 year existence. Never.
I liked the movie until that final trade. The producers did so much to make this movie appear realistic and then shat the bed at the last second.
Honestly if it weren’t for that final trade there probably wouldn’t be a video about this movie on my channel
Even the Jaguars trade before that didn't make a lot of sense. Just this year the Texans got two second rounders for a pick in the 20s and we're supposed a buy that the 6th pick is worth just one more?
@@bigbearkat2010that trade was bad imo too. No team will give up 3 seconds for pick 6 although do suggest looking at the Julio Jones draft trade.
Browns traded 6th overall pick for 27th overall pick, 2nd rounder that year 4ths this and next and a future 1st round pick. Same trade except for 27th being a late 1st and an extra 1st vs a 2nd. Keep in mind this was considered a lot at the time
@@MustacheDLuffy it was considered a lot at the time because it was. I personally have a hard believing any GM would willingly give up a top 10 pick without at least a 1st being in the equation.
@@bigbearkat2010I’m not saying the movie was realistic but the whole point was the Jaguars GM was a novice who the Browns believed was out of his depth so they believed they could force him to panic while he was on the clock and make a bad trade. Yeah it was far fetched and it wouldn’t happen in real life but in the movie they did the best they could to up the drama by showing the Jaguars GM panicking that drafting BC would be career destroying because he had missed something that everyone else knew. A movie about the Browns trading up to No.1 to pick the best QB then they draft him wouldn’t have made for much drama.
They also spend the whole movie acting like 2 future firsts to move from 7 to 1 is some unbelievable fleecing and not just par for the course.
This movie is kind of terrible but I love it and it’s a draft day tradition for me.
Isn’t that literally what the Panthers and Bears just did last year?
@@anthonystrangio panthers basically paid more than that. A future first+ 2 future seconds +dj Moore.
and the browns FO keeps saying "yOu GaVe Up 3 FiRsTs" no.. you gave up 2, you swapped one, and traded your next 2.
I don't doubt for a second that the movie based Molina on Dan Snyder. This movie came out before Dan Snyder's more horrendous antics really came to light, but from a pure football standpoint, Molina is 100% Dan Snyder. "Make a splash", "Win now", "I'm gonna fire you if you don't do what I say."
Is the movie itself greatly exaggerated? Absolutely. Do I still really enjoy it because I'm an NFL junkie? Absolutely.
If they just made this movie about NBA draft day, it would've been a bigger hit, and all trades would seem great because literally any random sh!t happens in the NBA.
Lets not forget that in REAL LIFE, the Browns traded 3 first and 2 seconds for Deshaun Watson from the Texans. Then those same Texans facing the choice between CJ Stroud and Will Anderson made the trades on draft night to get both
2023 offensive and defensive rookies of the year
1. That happened a DECADE after this dumpster fire of a film.
2. The Texans trade was at least logical for one team; you can’t say the same for ANY team in this trainwreck.
The GM and the owner having conflicting views on how to improve the team? This is the most accurate movie to describe the browns front office before 2020
Jerry maguire is a good fictional sports movie
To make it feel realistic, they had to end the movie before the season starts. We all know, if it goes on past that, Cleveland finishes 9-7, get knocked out of the wild card of the playoffs. Then the following season, they'd go 5-11, follow that with a 4-12 season, then Costner is fired.
Ah… the Romeo Crennel era aka ERROR.
This movie was so bad it was good😂 The ending took me out, the things the GM did made me feel like the writers had very limited knowledge on how an NFL front office is was ran.
The Seahawks reasoning for the trade was because of salary cap issues. By making the 2nd trade, they got Callahan at a 7 million dollar cheaper contract and the GM saves face. Not saying the trade was smart. Just providing their reason in the movie which isn’t mentioned in the video
Which is even dumber honestly. How badly is this team mismanaged that they can't spare cap space for their generational draft pick that's going to make next to nothing salary wise for the next several seasons?
@@bigbearkat2010 yea…at the end of the day, it is just a movie lol.
Nice try, Mr. Straw Man
It may be, ‘just a movie’, but said movie is someone’s job to accurately portray and/or create; and that person failed..
In almost any other job, if you fail to competently perform your duties; you’d get fired.
Whereas, most movie directors and writers, just get to simply cut their losses, without significant repercussions; more often than not.
So, holding crappy or inaccurate movies accountable, is the least we should do.
but couldn't they just make a better trade with jacksonville directly?
Lmao so Seattle, a team with the first overall pick, which most likely their pick, which means they're basically dogshit, have no cap space for a first overall pick? The GM should be fired before the movie takes place
People always say this movie isnt realistic like the actual Browns didn't draft trent richardson two years earlier
I audibly gasped at the diddy cameo, I legitimately forgot about that part 😂
3 rds fir the 6th overall pick that gm would be fired within minutes
Seeing Clark and Johnathan Kent argue like that brings a tear to my eye😢
I always loved how on the morning of the draft, holding pick 7, Cleveland only had TWO players on their draft board.
It's a silly ass movie but every year I watch it before the draft just cause
It’s basically the draft’s own Christmas movie if that makes sense lmao
@@AndaiMB that's it exactly
The last trade is such a over the top Hollywood story. The Browns are the ones who are screwed. If they pick the new QB, then they are screwed in trying to get rid of him. If they don't pick him, then the Seahawks get him with the next pick. The movie acts like the Draft clock is like a bomb that is going to go off. But if the Browns don't make a pick in their time, then the Seahawks get to pick and the Browns have to pick after them! Somehow, the acting from Costner - as well as the editing, music, and "movie magic" makes it work!
I thought the problem was that he had read the playbook, and took the hundred, but lied about taking it.
A line backer at first overall like it’s the 60s
Just wait till you learn about the 2022 NFL draft
Happens a lot still actually ever heard of Edge rushers? lol
@@slimjim4299gonna be one of the worst drafts ever ong
what was even more dumb was all these paid scouts didn't notice that every time Vontae and Bo were on the field together, Bo got happy feet, but he played fine when Vontae was out. The fact that Vontae was the one to point that out is nuts lmao. The most basic commentators would've caught that.
This movie wanted to be Moneyball so bad, but it had none of Moneyball's IQ.
How did the browns owner get from radio City music hall in NYC back to Berea in less than 40 minutes?
I know it's been 10 years but I ought to apologize to my dad for making him pay for us to this stupid ass film in theaters. I keep forgetting about its existence
I feel like there is a video hating on every movie ever made , wether it is actually good or bad
It is the internet after all. We all have an opinion on something
@@AndaiMB true, I didn’t mean hate in anyway btw lol I was just stating the fact that I always see movies that I enjoyed on RUclips videos ranting about why they aren’t good
@@baconcurtain5089 don’t worry I didn’t interpret it as hate lmao
Tbf, Tim Dwight was part of the Vick/Tomlinson trade and he was a punt returner.
The most unrealistic thing about this movie is that the Cleveland Browns make a good decision for their organization.
I remember this movie being pitched as the browns actually having a good draft, but it seems like massive incompetence by the GM and they do nothing to show us that any of this actually worked out.
Main character who we are supposed to believe is a genius panics hard, gets made a fool of by his peers/competitors, and makes a mess for his team.
His co-workers call him out for his stupidity and he tells them to shut up and trust him to do his job.
Main character somehow totally redeems himself because his peer unexpectedly panics even harder to draft a QB they are not crazy about.
Draft haul is sketchy as regards turning team into immediate contender, largely dependent on whether the QB they already have can drastically improve performance in coming season.
I expect main character got fired at season's end.
Yeah Sonny as a character is really confusing. In real life the GMs that pay 3 first rounders like this are ridiculed hard and at best are labeled as the biggest black marks of their careers if they're not seen as an outright joke but this movie wants us to believe he's playing 4D chess. Then again he wouldn't be a Costner protagonist without other characters talking about how awesome he is like he's in a Steven Seagal movie.
Costner redeemed himself because his counter parts were dumber. In the end the Browns owner is happy. But in reality he went back home and thought is THIS the kind of man I want being GM of my team? Costner traded up to the first pick to draft a Linebacker/pass rusher IMAO. Only reason teams trade up in the NFL is for a QB. Yet Costner character is made out to be brilliant at the end. LOL
You can’t pull a Scott Fitterer followed by a Ryan pace and expect to not get fired. Those 2 drafted Bryce young and Mitchell Trubisky and have both since been fired.
He didn’t because as you’ve mentioned his GM peers panic even harder than he panics
@@MustacheDLuffy At least with Fitterer and Pace their trade ups were on the premise they'd be getting the much needed QB of the future so they got a few months or even a couple years before people felt comfortable laughing at them. Costner got a defensive player he didn't even need to trade up for in the first place, without Seattle blinking, he'd probably be evaluated for the psych ward.
@@bigbearkat2010 he gave up significant capital like Fitterer did and then pulls a Ryan pace by not letting anybody know who he was going to draft which Ryan pace did not letting anybody know he wanted Trubisky
I don’t know how you double down on stupid moves and even keep your job after the season
4:14 not true. Kirk Cousins didn't tweet negatively about Atlanta management when they drafted Penix
Kirk Cousins is practically a Boy Scout, he isn’t one to cause a scene. Also, I don’t think Falcons management directly went to him and said what Sonny had said
@@AndaiMB They've guaranteed him 100 million before he's even had training camp with them, until this latest draft, I assumed Kirk would be the last guy they'd want to deliberately piss off.
I think originally they were gonna make Bo Callahan a clear bust, but no NFL team, in a work of fiction, didn’t want them to draft a clear bust. So they instead made it that “he could have a been a bust” instead of a clear bust.
I imagine the pitch is like whatever sports fantasy Costner wants to play out, it's a go. A perfect game in baseball...For Love of the Game. Play in the US Open? Tin Cup. Be an NFL GM. Draft Day. Sure why not.
The most unrealistic part of the movie is that in the last scene, all the Browns fans are happy with the two picks and they start chanting “Super Bowl, Super Bowl” and it’s supposed to be this emotional moment
I started laughing when I heard that
It'd be a short movie if it went according to facts. Not even the Raiders would do what the protagonist did in this film. Maybe Al Davis, after all he left Oakland, only to move back.
Love the movie and while I feel in your sarcasm you misrepresent a few things.... for example, winning and losing is always a thing, but more importantly the owner wanted to make a splash. I've no doubt that similar scenarios have played out in the NFL where an owner steps in with a specific demand, I suspect it's actually fairly common. The biggest criticism seems to be the terms of the 2 trades and I agree, the trade with the seahawks especially is insane... the first trade was with a new GM if I recall correctly and it's not that crazy to think a new GM could drop the ball that badly, still in both cases yes, not realistic at all but then again this is a movie and much like a WWE match, we all suspend disbelief for the entertainment value. While I think if you are watching the movie for a documentary on draft day you will be disappointed, if you watch it for it's entertainment value and some interesting interactions between Owner/GM, GM/coach, GM/player and the general excitement that surrounds the draft every year, well you might just find you enjoy it.
As someone who could never get a trade through in Madden this movie exercised some demons
Spending the 7th overall pick on Arian Foster 8 years after he retired is wild though.
3 other movie "draft picks": the 1999 Oliver Stone sports/drama film, "Any Given Sunday" (Al Pacino, Dennis Quaid, James Woods, Cameron Diaz, LL Cool J, Ann-Margaret, Lauren Holly, Charlton Heston, Jamie Foxx, Matthew Modine, John C. McGinley) & "Jerry Maguire" (1996/Cameron Crowe-directed (sports/comedy/drama) film: Tom Cruise, Cuba Gooding Jr., Renée Zellweger, Kelly Preston) & "The Longest Yard (2005: Peter Segal-directed film; remake of the Burt Reynolds 70's classic, with Adam Sandler; Chris Rock, Nick Turturro, rapper Nelly, Terry Crews, Uncle Joey ("Coco") Diaz, David Patrick Kelly ("The Warriors" Rogue gang leader); pro wrestlers: "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, Bill Goldberg, the Great Khali; NFL pro ballers: Michael Irvin, Bob Sapp)...
Players in the locker room pre draft? Thats way over achieving for off season OTA’s.
3 first round picks to move up 1 spot is insane
From a storytelling perspective, they really should've stressed that they needed a punt returner. Or established David Putney in some way. Either make him the best returner in the league or present him as someone Sonny was interested in before.
It helps to think it take place in an alternate universe where everybody is insane
Fun fact: the seahawks, ravens, and broncos (suprisingly) have never had a first overall pick ever
Love when i discover a new channel... Great work brother. Hilarious, concise and entertaining ✊🏽
Wow I really thought that was Saul in the thumbnail, I didn’t know who Kevin Cosner was but the joke Saul told makes sense to me now
If this movie was set in the NBA I would 1000% buy the draft pick trading shenanigans.
I love that Costner has to ask his people what the name of the Jax GM is. Also, another GM(Houston I think) calls Costner to get a scouting report on Mack. Its like bro, did you not scout him yourself?
Also, Mack complains about possibly falling out of the top 10 or whatever because he needs money to take care of his nephews. Dude thats still millions of dollars.
I love how they try to yadda yadda away the second trade with Seattle. Somehow the details of the first trade weren't public knowledge, so Seahawks fans didn't know that Seattle had all of Cleveland's future picks in the first place.
I will absolutely not stand for draft day hate. good shit tho bro keep grinding
Macintosh + at the end was a nice touch
It's both great yet awful at the same time, if that makes sense.
Adding the punt returner was fucking hilarious and really shows how much whoever wrote this has zero clue how the nfl works.
You have to remember....this movie is for all of the armchair GMs who force trades like this in Madden and this is the vehicle for that fantasy self insert ride.
I mean didn't you hear him, he said Bo was a BUST...because of a gut feeling.
A BUST....the worst thing you could ever say about a player that hasn't yet been drafted....and he said it out loud.
It’s still hilarious they chose Cleveland as the organization that would be making suave moves on Draft Day. The only way it could be more absurd is if it was the Raiders.
If there’s draft day2
Bryant Drew re-injure 1st game into the season, Ray cannot shake his off the field problem, Mack is a bust and Bo overcome his mental weakness after seeing therapist and become ROY.
Sunny fxxk up all the picks their get back from the Seahawks.
As absurd as it is, I kinda like it for some reason
Lol the Daniel Snyder bit was great. And so true.
And yet, when the Ringer crew chose it as a rewatchable, I totally agreed. Even though it's dumb and unrealistic, it's still quite an enjoyable ride.
I still love this movie because of the actors In this movie. I understand the trade thing was dumb like you ain't getting yo picks back when you trade them but I still loved this movie.
I think we all know it’s dumb, but it’s entertaining dammit!
I’ve always found it strange how the film writers chose the Broncos to get the first overall pick in this movie, despite being one of three teams to never have the 1st pick.
your channel is awesome & you are actually pretty chill, subed & hopefully one day I'll say been here since 1K. keep up the good work & HF👍
This was awesome. Keep working. Keep being yourself. You got this shit.
Who throws in a punt returner in a trade like this? Well the Chargers did when they got Tim Dwight in package with Falcons when Falcons traded up to get Michael Vick in 2001.
If the movie were realistic the players would be in Cabo
As an nfl fan I’ve always loved this films but it just fun and the NFL help make it so the broadcast parts are accurate
THANK YOU! THAT WAS KILLING ME FOR YEARS!
I couldn’t even imagine how badly the retarded trade for 3 second round picks, pissed you off..
The most ridiculous thing about the Seattle trade is that they needed a QB, had the # 1 pick, had what appeared to be a generational QB ready to draft, and they still traded the pick to Cleveland. That’s a fireable offence.
Can you imagine the Colts trading away from drafting Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck? The entire city would be ready to burn down the stadium.
As for trading back all of Cleveland’s picks plus the punt returner, for a guy who you could have just taken at # 1, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
The Seattle GM is officially the worst in the league.
They didnt expect that quaterback to fall like that, now they have a actual shot at getting him and the quaterback they needed they had to re do the deal
With the hopeful, happy ending I always imagine the Browns absolutely shitting the bed the next season and the GM getting fired and laugh my ass off
You clearly don’t know the early 2010’s Jags. They’d absolutely make a trade that stupid
Needs a scene where a homeless drifter convinces the Browns on whom to draft
Been a NFL fan for a minute. Yes, I know how implausible the movie is…but, god help me, every time it comes on I drop the remote.
It's a fictional movie. It's a fictional movie. It's a fictional movie. It's a fictional movie.
The owner making a gigantic fuckup against all advice or wisdom is his from office is actually very accurate to the Browns.
As a Seahawks fan, im more angry about them being used in this car crash of a film 😂
Didn’t this come out the year after the hawks won the SB? And they have the first pick…
The Seahawks in the end traded the 1st pick and their Kick returner for the 6th pick lol
But saved money !
There are problems with this movie, but none to do with the actual trading. It’s unrealistic, but a lot of trades seem really dumb.
The actual problems are with the idea that the Browns have a long time, revered coach even though it’s made a point in the movie that the browns are terrible and have been for quite some time.
Always good to be ban*ing the hell out of a woman in your office, good lord is this movie made 10 years ago lol
Not a big fan of Moneyball either, seeing as it's supposed to be a true story. Mulder, Hudson, and Zito were 3 stud aces in the prime of their careers. They are the main reason the A's were solid throughout that era. They weren't even MENTIONED in the movie, let alone portrayed. They focused on Hattenburg and David Justice. As we now know it was the steroid era but any team with good pitching would be legit too. Moneyball low-key sucked
I love this movie because of how unrealistic it is. I mean it doesn't even try. No team is going to trade a top 10 pick for a punch of 2nd round pick. No one. Even Shahid Kahn would have fired his GM after this. The crap in this movie doesn't even happen in fantasy drafts.
I remember getting to the end of the movie and being like wow I cannot believe with how involved the NFL was no one gave a shit about the movie making a lick of sense 😂
Whose alternate identity is this channel? Skyes? Or MysticUmbreon. Bro sounds like both of them
If the movie was real: Bo Callahan is an MVP. Mack is a bust Jennings is at jail by season 2 and drew turns his ACL in preseason
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