Paul, I actually have two questions for you, but I would first like to thank you for your excellent reviews. They are extremely informative, well made, professional, & seem to cover everything that a layman such as myself could hope for. Because of your reviews (that I watched completely by the way ) I was able to learn a ton of knowledge about zero turns, and I was also able to make up my mind as to exactly how I would like to spend my money when I go to my local dealer, so, well done & Thanks again ! ! ! ...NOW...onto my questions if you could please take some time to elaborate : 1) Is it safe to assume that the only real major differences between the Ariens Edge 42 and the Ariens Ikon XD 42 is that the Ikon comes with a larger, more powerful engine ( Kohler 7000 vs Kohler 6000 on the Edge ) ? The Ikon also looks to have a better seat which includes armrests ? Are these the only major differences that would justify spending a little more for the Ikon ? 2) I am also considering the Gravely ZTX-42 ( model 915255 ) and it appears to me, that it is almost identical to the IKON XD-42 as far as features) ...I've read some reviews on Gravely's website and there are a few claiming they have had traction problems even on the slightest of slopes. Can you attest to that and if possible gie me a quick comparison of the Ikon XD 42 vs the Gravely ZTX 42 ? It also appears that the Gravely frame might be a bit longer and the front wheels may stick out further. I look forward to your expertise and guidance in your reply.
1. No, the EDGE and IKON are completely different. The EDGE is a lightweight machine designed for the first time homeowner who has a fairly level, nice lawn to mow. The IKON has a heavier frame, better engines, different deck, seat, heavier-duty deck lift and so on. 2. As far as I know the ZT X-42 and the IKON XD 42 are the same mower. The ZT XL-42 adds stronger transmissions and the Kohler 7000 with smart-choke. ALL residential zero-turns will have problems with slopes over 15 degrees. They especially will have issues if you go down a hill, stop, and then try to turn on the slope. They don't like to turn while backing up a slope. They also can have issues when going down a slope and then trying to turn around on the slope. When you watched the mowing video of the IKON you could see it would hang on the slopes (almost 25 degrees) but I never tried to turn up the slope because I knew it was futile to even try. I always turned down the slope and then made my turn on ground that wasn't sloped as much. It takes a lot of weight to hold a ZTR on slopes and residential mowers just are not heavy enough.
Paul, first, thanks for the thorough review. After watching this I decided I was going to purchase this Ariens model, but since we're late in the season and dealers appear to have few, if any, left in stock, so I decided instead to purchase its twin - the Gravely ZTX-52, which was in stock at one of my local dealers. About the only difference I can tell between the two is one is red and the other orange - unless you know of other differences. The prices were virtually the same. I've had a Gravely HVZ-2350 since 2005 and felt it was time to give it a new home. However, I went with the Kohler 24 hp engine. The basis for that decision over the Kawasaki is due to the fact that whatever problems I ever experienced with the HVZ-2350, it was NEVER with the engine. Not one time did I ever have a problem with that Kohler engine in 15 years (which was a 23 hp). So, I stuck with my experience. The unit I purchased can be seen here: www.gravely.com/en-us/power-equipment/zero-turn/zt-x Thanks again. Your video convinced me to stick with Ariens/Gravely.
Great review Paul. All of your reveiws are awesome. appreciate the straightforwardness. I do have a question for you. I saw your reveiw on this and another ariens actually mowing. Whats your opinion on Kubota Zero turns? Im new to finding your channel, i havent noticed you mention them yet.
Just bought an Ariens 52" XD Kawasaki today. Love it so far. Saved a boat load of money as I was considering the Toro 54" (which I'm sure is a nice mower) but since it has similar hydraulics, motor is equal at best, deck is similar, basically identical tires - for ~$1200 more...it seemed like a no brainer. Hoping the Ariens gives me many good years of service. Have about 1.25 acres that's fairly open. Thank you for the detailed reviews!
Thanks for this excellent video, Paul! I was looking at a Cub Cadet, Toro and the Ariens IKON XD 52. After watching your video and looking more closely at the different models in person, I purchased the IKON XD today. I had the salesman at Lowes attach the seat cable and move the seat to the proper location before they pushed it out to my trailer. Again, thank you for the awesome review as it was your attention to detail that guided me through the process.
Great review! I just purchased one today and should be delivered on Thursday. Can't wait to get it. Keep up the great reviews. Thanks Rod US Army retired! 🇺🇸
Great review and very informative . I recently purchased the Ariens IKON XD 52 inch cut with the Kawasaki engine. I have mowed my 1.5 acre property twice and I must say I’m sold on the Ariens brand.
Ok man. It's nice to buy yourself something. I bought a Hustler fast track 54 inch yesterday. It's a commercial mower. I'm getting old and I don't care about mechanicing like I used to. I'm really liking it. They said it can go 10 mph , but I'm not going to do it. Informative video thanks. Good luck with your new mower.
I have to thank you for this review, after much review of all the choices and listening to guys like you online I finally made the purchase this spring. I have no regrets so far and after letting my neighbor try mine out he too is purchasing one as soon as it is stocked. It was really your review that sold me on the Ikon XD in the end when you demonstrated its ability on hills as my yard is nothing but hill. Very stable and safe on everything I have to cut, great review and great machine.
Great review. Was going to comment on the 42 inch having three blades too, but I see that someone already pointed that out. I went with the Ariens because it has a much better mower deck than most other residential mowers and the cut quality is fantastic.
@@got2getit204 The XD 42 is a more solid machine spend the exrta 150 bucks! well worth it:) I own the 42 Xd with the Kawi model #915268 have a great day
Awesome video Paul, been looking forward to this for a while. Love the comments on the transmissions, so many people say serviceable only and it’s nice to hear a reasonable opinion.
Excellent video. Nicely explained 👌 👍 👏 I own two machines, 52" and 60" very happy with both. Thanks a lot for your information about the Ariens. Blessings 🙌
Just picked one up, two actually my first one was DOA when I got it home, put gas in turned the key nothing also noticed the hour clock was actively running even with no key in it, went right back to Lowes and they replaced it with out giving me any trouble, done my first mowing on about 2 acres pretty pleased with it, its replacing my husqvarna 24 48 standard mower.
@@PaulSikkema Yes seats on both were in the proper position. They also put in a gallon of the small engine gas they sell into the second so it could be started before I left with it.
Thank you, Paul, for another outstanding review. I have the Ariens IKON XD 42. You say in this review that the Ariens IKON XD 42" mowers has 2 blades, mine has 3 blades on the deck..
You do the best walk around reviews, really comprehensive. On the 11 vs. 12 gage steel, .0149" is just under 15 thousanths of an inch or just under 1/64". Really no big difference...
Thank you Paul for your time and effort in educating us about this zero turn. You are widely admired for your knowledge and objectivity. Just ordered and IkonXD60. Got nervous over a couple of negative reviews on the transmission.I own a little Gentlemens farm 2-3 acres with pasture and lawn not too hilly, your thoughts?
Watching this after I just bought an IKON 42. Like everything about it especially the price..Lowes had it marked down from 2,499 to 1,499. Couldn't pass that up!
Good review, looks like a quality Mower, Gravely and Ariens are manufactured in Wisconsin. This Zero Turn purchased at a local dealer would be the way to go Vs, Big Box stores. Gauge of steel decking is the key.
Thanks, and so are most Scag, BobCat, Exmark, Toro, and John Deere zero-turns. There is a rumor that Ferris, Snapper and Simplicity are also coming back.
Good advice on the seat. Just bought mine today and when I got it home I realized the seat was resting on the motor 🤦🏻 there’s a worn spot on the plastic case and a small hole in the back of the seat now.
Thanks for the very thorough videos - i really havent seen any bad reviews on any of the main stream mowers but for me and the same money im going with the timecutter ----- may have been that extra .014 deck ! LOL Thanks again
Great review and very spot on. I reviewed ZTs for months before deciding to go with the XD52 back in May. I felt it has the best combination of quality for the value price range. I experienced the same lack of quality control of Lowe’s assembly with the seat issue as well as having to go through the entire machine and tighten every bolt and nut I could find. They also missed a cotter pin on a transmission arm and one of the linkage rods came off, thereby losing all power on one side. I was fortunate enough to figure it out on my own without a service trip and repaired myself. I’ve been extremely pleased with this machine so far at 42 hrs. It’s a beast and I mow over 8 acres with it!
I purchased a XD42 and love it. My yard isn't large enough for a 52. Anyhow it only came with 1 key and as you know sooner or later it's going to get misplaced. I have teenagers and am not leaving the key in it. I believe if the key is left on the hour meter will just keep running. I purchased a 2 set on ebay cheap with free shipping
Great info. trying to decide which mower is the best all around between the Ikon xd 52" with a Kawasaki or the timecutter 50" with the Kawasaki at the same price point.
My friend Fred Cole's got more just like what you got right there and boy it drives like a tank because I enjoy the way it turns where I can turn back and get the other side that more is awesome and I'm going to tell him how Justice steering arms so I love it too this is super day telling you the more is number one
I watch your reviews specifically to compare, so I would suggest don't hold back and name names. Like when you said on "other models" this or that, etc. Nice job - I look forward to the cut. I'm curious to see if that left edge sticking out farther actually does make a big difference.
Trust me it does make a huge difference. I used to run 60 inch decks - even on residential lawns - because you could trim so much easier with them than 48 inch decks. The same principle applies here - the farther the deck sticks out the easier it is to trim around small items like telephone poles.
thanks Paul for this great review. Is there anyway of changing out the hydro fluid in these 2 drive transmissions at all ? I know its maintenance free however i would like to be able to change out the fluids long term. thank you again.
Here is the Hydro-gear service manual: www.hydro-gear.com/5c3b2262b3_sites/hydro-gear.com/files/BLN-52622_ZT2100_ZT2200.pdf The procedure is on page 10. You have to remove the transmission from the mower to change the oil. (There is no oil drain. You'll have to tip the transmission over and let the oil drain out of the fill hole.) Be sure the transmission case is very clean. ANY dust or dirt that gets inside will greatly reduce the life of the tranny. After your reinstall the transmission you will have to raise the rear of the mower off the ground and then purge the transmissions.
Do not buy this unit from a Big Box Store. Purchase from your local Arien's dealer instead. They have much better finance options and service what they sell. Ariens warranties are not transferable, they are only warrantied to the original purchaser. Please refer to the warranty statement for more detail. Nice video Paul, thank you for your continued thorough reviews.
Hi Paul, I just purchased one of these mowers yesterday at Lowes after looking at the comparable Gravely. I think it was the 52" ZTX. THE Gravely person said the two mowers were the same but he said Lowes doesn't service anything so you should buy the Gravely from us. It was $200.00 more. I thought if they are the same mower, why spend the extra money, so I bought the 52" Ariens XD with the 691cc Kawasaki motor. I like the color better too. I'm looking at your video here and see that you mention the Drive in the Gravely is better than the Ariens. I don't plan on pulling much but I do have a few areas of slope (18%) on part of the 3 acres I mow. I wonder now if I should return the Ariens and buy the Gravely. Also, on Reddit, someone said he would get the Kohler motor because parts are much easier to find than on the Kawasaki. What do you think?
The ZTX and the IKON XD are the same. The Gravely ZTXL has the upgraded transmissions and will cost you an additional $600+. Your local Ariens dealer will do warranty work on the Lowes machine - but I suggest talking to the Lowes store manager to find out which dealer they work with the most.
Hey Paul....I've decided on the Ariens Apex 52 with the Kawasaki engine and 3100 serviceable hydros. I have done a ton of research. Two things I like are the prosumer hydros and the deck access cover. So easy to blow the grass out. Also like the way the chute can lock in place.Ill let you know how I make out. Take care and thanks.
This question has to do with the mulching kit for both the edge 42 and XD 42. When you reviewed the Edge you mentioned that there was a problem with the mulching kit in that it did leave a line but that it has been fixed last summer (2020). In some of the comments here you have not mentioned this. So, my question is: has Ariens fixed the problem with the mulcher kit for both the edge and XD 42 or is there still a problem?
There never was a problem with the XD 42 mulch kit. The deck on the XD is completely different than the deck on the edge. Ariens went back and redesigned the mulch kit for the Edge 42 so that it now works on all grass types. When you buy one this spring it will be the revised version.
I like this ariens mower, but my biggest concern is the 2200 drives that i read were “no maintenance”. I would prefer something i could do regular oil changes on. I heard you say they gravely zero turn is the same mower with bigger 2800 drives. Which model are you referring to. Also, is that correct that these are no maintenance and how does that compare to the 2800 drives? Thanks so much for your time and help!!
The Gravely ZT XL has the 2800 drives. Just so you know - we are not having the issues with the 2200 drives in the last 5 years like we did 10-15 years ago. In the past they were using them in larger/heavier ZTRs and I don't think the quality control was as good as it is today. In this size mower they will last.
Not sure if this thread is the place to ask this question but you seem fairly knowledgeable on zero turns in general. Do you have any insight/opinion on the Ferris 400S Zero Turn with the 48" Deck? Or the Gravely ZT HD 48"? 48" seems to be a good size for my residential 1-3 acres. Any other suggestions would be welcomed. The Ariens IKON XD doesn't make a 48" deck.
I like the Gravely ZT HD a lot. It's a very rugged homeowner mower, it cuts very well, and will last you many years. I have two concerns with the Ferris. 1. It has a lot of extra parts for the suspension to wear out. 2. Ferris is owned by Briggs & Stratton. B&S put Ferris up for sale this spring. Now, B&S has declared bankruptcy and it's unclear if Ferris will even survive.
@@PaulSikkema Wow, Great information! I guess that brings me back to the Ariens IKON SD or an Ariens IKON APEX both appear to be good machines. I also considered the Simplicity Contender XT but if I'm not mistaken they are also owned by B&S? I was going to look into the Toro TimeCutter 50" Model 7550 but I believe they have a stamped deck, which may be ok, not sure? There is just way too much out there and with this kind of money, one wants to be reasonably sure there making the right choice!! Thanks Paul, keep me going in the right direction.
The Toro 75750 has a nice fabricated deck and also mows very well. Here are a couple of videos on it. ruclips.net/video/MTI20_TrdWA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Cu4-Nbk04Xs/видео.html ruclips.net/video/MRzF5JqGvgQ/видео.html
The amount of time it would take is one factor. It's also the build quality of the mower itself. The quality of the engine, transmissions, durability of the deck/frame and how the deck cuts. For example, a 42 inch $2500 zero-turn is built as cheaply as possible. It may last 200 hours before it's worn out. A 42 inch $3200 ZTR will have a better engine, stronger frame, better cutting deck and last twice as long. A $5000-7000 mower of the same size will last 2000 hours or more. Since most people don't keep track of hours but would like their mower to last them 10 years or more. I rate the different quality mowers for the size of the lawn. So - A $2500 can typically mow 1/2 acre every week for 10 years. But if you mow 2 acres a week that mower will probably only last you 2-3 years. If you have 2 acres to mow I would recommend a better quality mower (or a mower with a bigger deck) If you are mowing 20-30 1/2 acre lawns a week I would recommend the $7000 mower.
Thx for the review. I've been looking at the Ikon XD42". Unfortunately, I can't find one locally. Nobody has them in stock. I did find one Ikon XD52" in stock at a local lowes. I may have to settle for the slightly larger 52" deck. I was hoping to stay as compact as possible.
You will like the XD 52 a lot. All the extra width hangs off the left side of the mower which makes it great for trimming. It trims a LOT closer than a 42 inch.
@@PaulSikkema Thats good to know. I guess I was just looking at the 42" because it seems more compact. I haven't seen them up close yet tho. Nobody seems to have them in stock. The Gravely mowers seem to be more popular in my area - which from my understanding are the exact same unit with a different color. Anyway, I'm leaning to the Ikon.. looks like I'll have to settle for the 52" lol
Great reviews Paul. I know you like the Timecutter and you had Deere tractors. What would you pick for a 3/4 acres lot with a 15 degree - 20 yard slope in front: The 42 inch Ikon XD, the 42 inch Timecutter with the v-twin and fab deck (to make it similar to the XD) or a JD tractor like an S240 with the K46 transmission? Use is just cutting grass, getting over that slope well, and I'd like to pull a leaf sweeper to making blowing easier. Not a powered leaf system, just the simple sweeper. One caveat. I like to mulch my lawn when possible and don't intend to ever bag. I know all the mowers have available mulch kits. I've read that the Ikon has issues with cut quality with the mulch kit installed. I've not read any such reviews on the Toro, and I know the JD has the mulch on demand kit.
The timecutter has the lever so you can reduce your ground speed when pulling attachments. The helps to keep the transmissions from overheating. Both the Toro and Ikon XD have bolt in mulch kits. The Toro is better. The Ikon XD works well if you mow when you are cutting off the right amount to mulch correctly (one third the grass height) If you mow weekly or let the grass grow too long it will leave strips. (Most mulching decks can't handle taller grass well) The S240 would be fine with the sweeper if you are just cleaning up leaves. If you are picking up new-mowed grass you should only fill the sweeper one-third full on the slope. (Keep you total "trailer" weight to 250 lbs or less)
The IKON XD in this video has an optional 2 bin powered bagger available. The 2023 IKON that replaces this one will have a 2-bin conventional bagger option for leaves and a powered option for grass.
Well hello my dear friend Paul, 2 questions for you.. what psi do you recommend for the rear and front? yes i do have the owners manual but there is a substantial difference in the front tires, you have been cutting grass for a long time so just wanted your thoughts on the psi, as noted I own the XD 42. its a great machine I love it! 2nd question can I tie a bungee cord around the plastic discharge shoot so its wide open? of course safety glasses i wear no matter what. thanks for always getting back to us in a timely matter, your friends The Pryors. and of course we subscribed to your channel, keep the reviews coming.
I run 12-14 lbs in the rear. I know the fronts are small so even if you only run 10 lbs in them it will be bumpy. In other words, I would run the fronts so they are a little "squishy" yet the squishiness doesn't affect the evenness of the cutting height. If you are mowing across a slope don't run with less than 12 PSI. The weight of the mower can cause the tire to roll and pop off the rim. I never show it because it's not safe but - if the grass is not spreading evenly or I have mow in an area that interferes with the discharge flap I clip a bungee cord to the bottom of the plastic chute, pull it up, and then attach the other end somewhere to the mower. On a Toro/Exmark the lift lever is on that side so it's easy to clip to. I noticed my father clipped it to the deck lift pedal arm.
These are very difficult to get where I’m at. I have been waiting three weeks for the XD42 w/ the Kawi. They finally got one in w/ the Koehler but I’m holding out lol. Great video as usual, can’t wait to see this in action. Question, why the smaller scalping wheel by the discharge?
Yes, Covid-19 has disrupted everyone's supply chain - including Ariens. (I waited over 6 weeks for this mower) I think they wanted the wheel out as far as they could get it but they also had that bagger bracket in the same spot. So-use a smaller wheel and everything fits :)
I had to buy XD42 with the Kawi. from Lowes.com. They are not at my local store. It took 3 weeks for mine to get to the store also. I had them deliver in the crate because I didn't trust them touching it. On a good note I used my Lowes card for the purchase and received a 5% discount. I love this thing and glad I waited for the 2020 upgrades.
Running the engine at 1/2-3/4 throttle doesn't hurt the motor but it does affect your cut qualify. When running the blade tip speed (engine throttle) below full speed the deck is not cutting at optium. If you have a nice, thick lawn you will notice that the deck leaves "stragglers" in other words it doesn't always cut all the grass. So, if you want to run the engine slower you should slow down the ground speed accordingly. This is one of the main reasons why walk-behind mowers no longer have a throttle. People would run the engines slower because of the noise but then they would complain the mower was not cutting well.
Paul, The specs I found on the IKON XD 52" said it is 63.4" Wide. Does that include the Plastic Shute? My shed's doorway is 60" Wide. It was my understanding the deck should be about 4" wider than the Blade Cut.
Seems both this machine and timecutter have pros and cons. If you can't reccomend which is the best all around. Do you know which is having less downtime issues. Not considering assembly problems from Lowe's. I read a lot of reviews on this model where the customers were having problems braking belts.
I talked to the Ariens engineers Wednesday and they have addressed the belt issue. My understanding is last year the belt manufacture changed the way the belt was built and didn't tell anyone. Ariens has switched to a different vendor for this year and the problem is fixed. Ariens sold all of last years stock so you won't have this issue with a mower built this year. My job is to help you decide which one is best for you - not tell you which one I like best. That said, I like the ride of the Toro a little better than the Ariens. The larger front casters smooth out the lawn more. But I like the traction of the Ariens. The larger rear tires give you more traction on turns and it will hangs on sloped better. You did watch the video of the XD mowing? They both cut you normal lawn extremely well. At 5-6 mph they both cut as well as the commercial decks. If you have areas that you only cut once a month the Ariens will clear cut that tall grass/weeds better on the first pass. I really like the Smart Speed on the Toro. It's great for inexperienced operators and allows you to tow larger loads. I like the bull-nose front edge on the Toro deck. I makes the deck really strong if you bang into obstacles a lot. I like the way the deck sticks out the left side of the Ariens. If you have a lot of trimming that really makes a difference in making the job easier and faster. I like the 4 hanger lift system on the Ariens. The deck doesn't bounce side-to-side as much on rough ground and the lift is strong enough you can stand on the deck to get on and off. And of course if you get the MyRide option the Toro is the smoothest riding zero-turn on the market.
I saw your video on the edge which is what got me looking at Ariens Zero-turns. I ended up getting a Gravely ZTXL almost the same as the Ikon using the exact same frame...it’s more heavy duty then the Edge. What made you switch?
Horace, I am doing reviews of both mower lines to help you decide which one is best for you. I have both mowers for long-term testing. The EDGE is a great entry-level mower - the IKON XD is a solid step up if you want to spend a little more money. Yes, the only real difference is the Gravely ZTXL has the ZT2800 drives.
The IKON X is the old, discontinued model. The IKON XL has a bunch of small improvements to make it ride better and last better. For example, the XD has larger tires, better front forks, stronger frame and changes to the deck. The XD is about 75 lbs heavier so you know they put more steel into it. If a dealer still has an IKON X it should be heavily discounted compared to the XD.
I've watched you walk around and review on the Toro Timecutter 42, Ariens Edge (Zoom) 42 and the IKON X-42. Thanks so much for the thorough, unbiased reviews but I'm going to buy one of these three. If you could only have one, which one would it be?
Either the Toro or the Ariens IKON X. My father likes the IKON X the best for the deck that sticks out the left for trimming and the larger rear tires so he can mow his front ditch. He can't mow that ditch with the Toro or the EDGE.
I can have the Toro without the MyRide Seat for $1,400 bucks and the Ariens world be $1,900. I've watched both your reviews and they have been immensely helpful. Thank you so much for your time and attention to these reviews.
EZT 2200 trannys are not serviceable - BUT - the Gravely ZT X now features ZT 2200 transmissions where you can easily change the oil. The ZT X is the same mower as the 2023 Ariens IKON with a few more features
The fuel tank is transparent. Just tip the seat over and you can see how much fuel is in the tank. You'll quickly get used to that. With the Kawasaki engine we can easily mow 5 acres plus on one tank.
All residential and many commercial Zero-turns now use sealed spindles. Why? because 90% of the residential customers don't own a grease gun and 95% of them don't grease the spindles correctly. Sealed deck spindle bearings will last most homeowners 10 years or longer if you don't use a pressure washer directly on the seal and don't hit too many large rocks and cement curbs. Trying to cut long grass (knee high) and having that grass wrap around the spindle can also damage both sealed and greased units
@@PaulSikkema I like the idea of reasonable spindles, you know everybody is not lazy and the more you use it the quicker the steel bearings run dry, it's just cheaper for the companies and it makes more money for the company by you having to replace the spindles, that's why they put sealed bearings in, there's money in replacements, what a shame! PUT SPINDLES IN THAT CAN BE GREASE !
Can we agree to disagree on this point? In the suburbs - where most of the residential ZTRs are sold - people don't do their own mechanical maintenance, don't know how, don't have the tools and don't want to learn. It's getting to the point where many just go to a big box store and buy it, fill it with gas and drive it until it quits - they don't change the oil, filters or the blades. Once it quits they just go by another one.
The IKON XD 42 uses the ZT2200 trannys. This is the industry standard for 42 inch machines. If you have a lot of long, steep slopes to mow or you regularly pull 500 lbs or more you can get this mower with the heavy-duty ZT2800 trannys. It's the Gravely ZT XL and available at your local Gravely dealer.
Of course, I can't recommend using any zero-turn on that steep of slope especially if there is a drop-off or pond at the bottom. That said, Watch this video starting around 8:45. The roadside of that ditch is easily 30 degrees. ruclips.net/video/G0EqRCce7xE/видео.html
No, use a fuel stabilizer like SeaFoam and you won't have any issues. (99% of fuel issues are with smaller gas engine. We really don't have issues with the larger v-twins. Just use 87 octane fuel that has 10% or less ethanol.
My gate to the back yard is 44 inches wide, do you think this will fit through my gate with the 42 inch deck if i raise the plastic grass shoot on the deck?
Hi Paul appreciate great information and review. I was considering mz rambler 42 with Kohler 7000 series 725. I need your suggestion if you would prefer ikon xd 42 over rambler. I see that Ikon has better tires , seat , hour meter, engine is Kawasaki while MZ rambler has sturdy deck 7 gauge , bigger fuel tank and on the side.
The fuel tank on the Ariens is filled from the fender - it's under the seat to give you a lower center of gravity for traction when turning and mowing on slopes. The larger tires give you more traction for turning - it really makes a difference on poor turf. The deck on the Ariens is also reinforced and is one of the best on the market for airflow so it cuts perfectly and gets rid of the grass quickly. My 96-year-old father has been using this one for a year now to mow his 3-acre farm lawn and hasn't been able to put a dent in this one. His lawn is very rough and has many fruit trees and buildings to mow around.
Hey Paul, Appreciate the videos, I am going to get a zero turn. My current front runners are the ariens ikon xd 42 toro timecutter 42 with fabricated deck and I am looking a a hustler raptor x. I am curious as to your thoughts and if you have any experience with hustler. I haven't seen anything on your channel.
The Raptor X is new and I haven't had a chance to mow with one yet. Did you know Hustler is now owned by Stanley, Black & Decker? The only negative I see at this time is the rear tires on the Raptor X are very aggressive. If this is your first ZTR or you have poor/sandy turf they may leave marks when you turn. If you have a very good, thick lawn this won't be a problem. The Toro/Exmark 42 inch fabricated deck is my "Standard." It cuts very, very well and I compare all the other mowers to it. I like the IKON XD 42 a lot. It has the 4-point deck lift so the deck gives you a lot less bounce than other three point decks. The IKON XD also has the largest diameter rear tires. This gives you the best traction over the Toro and Hustler for turning and mowing on slopes. The tires are turf tires so they don't tear up your lawn.
@@PaulSikkema Thanks paul, Last question, what are your thoughts on the John Deere Z3 series? Know its a stamped deck. Can't find many thorough reviews.
The Z300 series decks cut well. If you have a fairly flat, smooth 1/2 acre lawn I can recommend it. It compares to the Ariens EDGE for mowing but I like the available Kohler and Kawasaki engines on the Arien better. It's definitely a step below the IKON XD in this video.
NO residential ztr will handle turning downhill on a slope very well. The cheaper/lighter the ztr - the worse it is. ALL of your turning is on the rear wheels so if they can't get traction - it won't turn. NEVER try to turn going downhill with a pond or drop off at the bottom. Ztr's with 18 inch rear tires are even worse. But the IKON XD is better than most. The larger rear tires give it more traction. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/G0EqRCce7xE/видео.html. I'm mowing some pretty steep ditches with it. Commercial ZTR's are better but the best are the steering wheel models. Cub Cadet is the only manufacturer currently making the steering wheel units and the good ones start over $6000.
The Toro's full suspension operator platform makes it unique for residential mowers. If you main goal is to get the smoothest ride - nothing else compares. That said, This Ariens IKON XD cuts a little better and with the larger rear tires it has better traction. It doesn't scuff your turf as much as mowers with the smaller rear tires. The deck is supported on all four corners so it won't bounce like the 3-point decks on the Toro and Cub Cadet mowers. I also like that the deck is offset to the left so you can trim around stuff easily.
Hi Paul. You were talking about how great the Ariens Dealers are and that they will service a Ariens product even if you didn't buy it from them. As you know I bought the Edge online and am having problems with the mulching cut. I have tried everything to try and get it to cut correctly without leaving a mohawk cut. I decided to take it to an Ariens exclusive Dealer. I called them and they won't touch my machine (warranty) unless I pay them $90.00 because I didn't buy it from them. I am thoroughly disgusted with Ariens.
I'd like to clarify. Did they want $90 to repair a warranty item or did they want a $90 deposit and would return the money if the problem was actually a warranty issue? Why the question? I know a lot of lawn & garden dealers, small appliance dealers and other businesses who require a deposit on warranty work just in case it wasn't warranty related and you decided to take it someplace else or abandoned the product if it wasn't.
@@PaulSikkema Last week I was told it would cost me $89.00 just for them to look at it because I didn't buy it from them. I called today and was told a different something different. They said it would cost me $75.00 to look at it and if Ariens agreed the warranty claim (I was told the part has to be defective) Ariens would pay the $75.00 fee and there was a 4 week wait to have them look at it.. On another note I have modified the mulch kit and am waiting for the grass to grow so I can cut it and see the results. Because I modified the part I won't be able to take it in for mohawk cut caused by the kit.
The one your reviewing appears to be more red in color. I purchased this very unit, and mine seems to be more orange color and all the ones on the dealers lot were orange. I think they changed up the color just a shade
Sorry I never got notification that you replied to my comment. Although I saw this video after I purchased mine, you’ve only reinforced the fact that I bought a good one and I’m very happy with this mower. Very well done video
4/18/21, @Paul Sikkema, I figure minus the house/driveway I have ~9K sq ft 2do. The Ariens is virtually identical to Gravely (same co); I'm narrowing down my choice b/w those 2 & Troy-Bilt ~3K. 42" would be fine; I still need the small (walk) mower & string trimmer 4 tight spots the big mach won't go. : )
I see you have a fairly small yard so a 42 inch is a good choice - but - The 52 inch Ariens/Gravely's deck sticks out quite a bit on the left side so it trims much better than most other mowers. If you don't have any width concerns you may get by without a trim mower. I'm really impressed with the Toro 60 Volt MAX yard tools. Their walk-behind mower, trimmer and leaf blower are great.
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Paul, I actually have two questions for you, but I would first like to thank you for your excellent reviews. They are extremely informative, well made, professional, & seem to cover everything that a layman such as myself could hope for. Because of your reviews (that I watched completely by the way ) I was able to learn a ton of knowledge about zero turns, and I was also able to make up my mind as to exactly how I would like to spend my money when I go to my local dealer, so, well done & Thanks again ! ! ! ...NOW...onto my questions if you could please take some time to elaborate :
1) Is it safe to assume that the only real major differences between the Ariens Edge 42 and the Ariens Ikon XD 42 is that the Ikon comes with a larger, more powerful engine ( Kohler 7000 vs Kohler 6000 on the Edge ) ? The Ikon also looks to have a better seat which includes armrests ? Are these the only major differences that would justify spending a little more for the Ikon ?
2) I am also considering the Gravely ZTX-42 ( model 915255 ) and it appears to me, that it is almost identical to the IKON XD-42 as far as features) ...I've read some reviews on Gravely's website and there are a few claiming they have had traction problems even on the slightest of slopes. Can you attest to that and if possible gie me a quick comparison of the Ikon XD 42 vs the Gravely ZTX 42 ? It also appears that the Gravely frame might be a bit longer and the front wheels may stick out further.
I look forward to your expertise and guidance in your reply.
1. No, the EDGE and IKON are completely different. The EDGE is a lightweight machine designed for the first time homeowner who has a fairly level, nice lawn to mow. The IKON has a heavier frame, better engines, different deck, seat, heavier-duty deck lift and so on.
2. As far as I know the ZT X-42 and the IKON XD 42 are the same mower. The ZT XL-42 adds stronger transmissions and the Kohler 7000 with smart-choke.
ALL residential zero-turns will have problems with slopes over 15 degrees. They especially will have issues if you go down a hill, stop, and then try to turn on the slope. They don't like to turn while backing up a slope. They also can have issues when going down a slope and then trying to turn around on the slope. When you watched the mowing video of the IKON you could see it would hang on the slopes (almost 25 degrees) but I never tried to turn up the slope because I knew it was futile to even try. I always turned down the slope and then made my turn on ground that wasn't sloped as much.
It takes a lot of weight to hold a ZTR on slopes and residential mowers just are not heavy enough.
Paul, first, thanks for the thorough review. After watching this I decided I was going to purchase this Ariens model, but since we're late in the season and dealers appear to have few, if any, left in stock, so I decided instead to purchase its twin - the Gravely ZTX-52, which was in stock at one of my local dealers. About the only difference I can tell between the two is one is red and the other orange - unless you know of other differences. The prices were virtually the same.
I've had a Gravely HVZ-2350 since 2005 and felt it was time to give it a new home. However, I went with the Kohler 24 hp engine. The basis for that decision over the Kawasaki is due to the fact that whatever problems I ever experienced with the HVZ-2350, it was NEVER with the engine. Not one time did I ever have a problem with that Kohler engine in 15 years (which was a 23 hp). So, I stuck with my experience. The unit I purchased can be seen here: www.gravely.com/en-us/power-equipment/zero-turn/zt-x
Thanks again. Your video convinced me to stick with Ariens/Gravely.
Great Choice! Yes, they are the same. The ZTXL has the larger transmissions otherwise it is also the same.
Great review Paul. All of your reveiws are awesome. appreciate the straightforwardness. I do have a question for you. I saw your reveiw on this and another ariens actually mowing. Whats your opinion on Kubota Zero turns? Im new to finding your channel, i havent noticed you mention them yet.
Best and most comprehensive review on RUclips I've found, nicely done.
Anyone got a link or part number for some replacement mulching blades for the 52?
Exactly
Just bought an Ariens 52" XD Kawasaki today. Love it so far. Saved a boat load of money as I was considering the Toro 54" (which I'm sure is a nice mower) but since it has similar hydraulics, motor is equal at best, deck is similar, basically identical tires - for ~$1200 more...it seemed like a no brainer. Hoping the Ariens gives me many good years of service. Have about 1.25 acres that's fairly open. Thank you for the detailed reviews!
Thanks for this excellent video, Paul! I was looking at a Cub Cadet, Toro and the Ariens IKON XD 52. After watching your video and looking more closely at the different models in person, I purchased the IKON XD today. I had the salesman at Lowes attach the seat cable and move the seat to the proper location before they pushed it out to my trailer. Again, thank you for the awesome review as it was your attention to detail that guided me through the process.
Great review! I just purchased one today and should be delivered on Thursday. Can't wait to get it. Keep up the great reviews. Thanks
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Great review and very informative . I recently purchased the Ariens IKON XD 52 inch cut with the Kawasaki engine. I have mowed my 1.5 acre property twice and I must say I’m sold on the Ariens brand.
Glad I found your channel. Best mower reviews PERIOD!
Ok man. It's nice to buy yourself something.
I bought a Hustler fast track 54 inch yesterday. It's a commercial mower. I'm getting old and I don't care about mechanicing like I used to.
I'm really liking it. They said it can go 10 mph , but I'm not going to do it.
Informative video thanks.
Good luck with your new mower.
I got the Icon XD 60, my very first zero turn. this thing is a beast. love it!
Plan plan on picking one of these up next week. Everything you described was what I thought I would find. Thanks for reinforcing my decisions.
I have to thank you for this review, after much review of all the choices and listening to guys like you online I finally made the purchase this spring. I have no regrets so far and after letting my neighbor try mine out he too is purchasing one as soon as it is stocked. It was really your review that sold me on the Ikon XD in the end when you demonstrated its ability on hills as my yard is nothing but hill. Very stable and safe on everything I have to cut, great review and great machine.
Great review. Was going to comment on the 42 inch having three blades too, but I see that someone already pointed that out. I went with the Ariens because it has a much better mower deck than most other residential mowers and the cut quality is fantastic.
I wanted the Edge 42, but after watching your very informative video I think I'll get the Ikon XD instead.
Better choice you wont be disappointed!
@@got2getit204 The XD 42 is a more solid machine spend the exrta 150 bucks! well worth it:) I own the 42 Xd with the Kawi model #915268 have a great day
Awesome video Paul, been looking forward to this for a while. Love the comments on the transmissions, so many people say serviceable only and it’s nice to hear a reasonable opinion.
Buying this model from Lowes, based partly on your review and other research. Thanks for the excellent review!
Just picked up my xd today and I love it.
Excellent job Paul. Great detail. I’ve decided to get this over the Cub Cadet / Toro offerings for my 1.5 acres.
Just bought one myself yesterday. How do you like yours?
Excellent video. Nicely explained 👌 👍 👏
I own two machines, 52" and 60" very happy with both. Thanks a lot for your information about the Ariens. Blessings 🙌
I have the same mower...it's a great machine and very comfortable.
Excellent video with accurate information but, you are misinformed on one thing, ICON XD 42" has 3 blades.
I always get in trouble by assuming I know something - Yes, it does have three 15 inch blades. Thanks for the clarification
Just picked one up, two actually my first one was DOA when I got it home, put gas in turned the key nothing also noticed the hour clock was actively running even with no key in it, went right back to Lowes and they replaced it with out giving me any trouble, done my first mowing on about 2 acres pretty pleased with it, its replacing my husqvarna 24 48 standard mower.
Just curious - did Lowes move the seat to the proper position?
@@PaulSikkema Yes seats on both were in the proper position. They also put in a gallon of the small engine gas they sell into the second so it could be started before I left with it.
Thank you, Paul, for another outstanding review.
I have the Ariens IKON XD 42. You say in this review that the Ariens IKON XD 42" mowers has 2 blades, mine has 3 blades on the deck..
Yes, I made a mistake. The 42-inch deck does have three blades
Thanks for such detail. We just bought ours and you answered many questions.
Great video! Thanks for sharing, just bought one based on this review.
Excellent video. Very thorough review!! Keep up the great work! :)
You do the best walk around reviews, really comprehensive. On the 11 vs. 12 gage steel, .0149" is just under 15 thousanths of an inch or just under 1/64". Really no big difference...
Measurement wise yep small but that little difference is huge in strength.
Great review very informative and you answered my question about it having the ability to operate with a bagger configuration attached.
Im picking up one of these on Friday with the Kohler engine. Really looking forward to it!
I couldn't find the wires you mention. I have the Kawasaki engine - if you have the Kohler it may use fewer wires.
I’ll pick Kawasaki 100% of the time
Best review ive seen. Thanks! Probably be returning my cub cadet zt1, since I haven't picked it up yet...
Great reviews! I decided to purchase this mower due to your in depth videos!
Thank you Paul for your time and effort in educating us about this zero turn. You are widely admired for your knowledge and objectivity. Just ordered and IkonXD60. Got nervous over a couple of negative reviews on the transmission.I own a little Gentlemens farm 2-3 acres with pasture and lawn not too hilly, your thoughts?
Watching this after I just bought an IKON 42. Like everything about it especially the price..Lowes had it marked down from 2,499 to 1,499. Couldn't pass that up!
Good review, looks like a quality Mower, Gravely and Ariens are manufactured in Wisconsin. This Zero Turn purchased at a local dealer would be the way to go Vs, Big Box stores. Gauge of steel decking is the key.
Thanks, and so are most Scag, BobCat, Exmark, Toro, and John Deere zero-turns. There is a rumor that Ferris, Snapper and Simplicity are also coming back.
Good advice on the seat. Just bought mine today and when I got it home I realized the seat was resting on the motor 🤦🏻 there’s a worn spot on the plastic case and a small hole in the back of the seat now.
Great video, I’ve been looking for a zero turn and this helped.
Thanks for the very thorough videos - i really havent seen any bad reviews on any of the main stream mowers but for me and the same money im going with the timecutter ----- may have been that extra .014 deck ! LOL Thanks again
Great review and very spot on. I reviewed ZTs for months before deciding to go with the XD52 back in May. I felt it has the best combination of quality for the value price range. I experienced the same lack of quality control of Lowe’s assembly with the seat issue as well as having to go through the entire machine and tighten every bolt and nut I could find. They also missed a cotter pin on a transmission arm and one of the linkage rods came off, thereby losing all power on one side. I was fortunate enough to figure it out on my own without a service trip and repaired myself. I’ve been extremely pleased with this machine so far at 42 hrs. It’s a beast and I mow over 8 acres with it!
I purchased a XD42 and love it. My yard isn't large enough for a 52. Anyhow it only came with 1 key and as you know sooner or later it's going to get misplaced. I have teenagers and am not leaving the key in it. I believe if the key is left on the hour meter will just keep running. I purchased a 2 set on ebay cheap with free shipping
Just got mine to cant beat it!
Im Glad you told us about the seat adjustment when buying it from Lowes , I just received mine this October 31st and it was not adjusted ! Thank you
Great info. trying to decide which mower is the best all around between the Ikon xd 52" with a Kawasaki or the timecutter 50" with the Kawasaki at the same price point.
My friend Fred Cole's got more just like what you got right there and boy it drives like a tank because I enjoy the way it turns where I can turn back and get the other side that more is awesome and I'm going to tell him how Justice steering arms so I love it too this is super day telling you the more is number one
Your a very nice person thank you
I watch your reviews specifically to compare, so I would suggest don't hold back and name names. Like when you said on "other models" this or that, etc. Nice job - I look forward to the cut. I'm curious to see if that left edge sticking out farther actually does make a big difference.
Trust me it does make a huge difference. I used to run 60 inch decks - even on residential lawns - because you could trim so much easier with them than 48 inch decks. The same principle applies here - the farther the deck sticks out the easier it is to trim around small items like telephone poles.
Best review online!!!
I have the 52 inch. Best mower for the money
Outstanding Review, thank you so much!
thanks Paul for this great review. Is there anyway of changing out the hydro fluid in these 2 drive transmissions at all ? I know its maintenance free however i would like to be able to change out the fluids long term. thank you again.
Here is the Hydro-gear service manual: www.hydro-gear.com/5c3b2262b3_sites/hydro-gear.com/files/BLN-52622_ZT2100_ZT2200.pdf
The procedure is on page 10.
You have to remove the transmission from the mower to change the oil. (There is no oil drain. You'll have to tip the transmission over and let the oil drain out of the fill hole.)
Be sure the transmission case is very clean. ANY dust or dirt that gets inside will greatly reduce the life of the tranny.
After your reinstall the transmission you will have to raise the rear of the mower off the ground and then purge the transmissions.
My john deere after 22 years is shot. Bought this as my first zero turn. Seems nice and the zero turn is fu
Do not buy this unit from a Big Box Store. Purchase from your local Arien's dealer instead. They have much better finance options and service what they sell. Ariens warranties are not transferable, they are only warrantied to the original purchaser. Please refer to the warranty statement for more detail. Nice video Paul, thank you for your continued thorough reviews.
Just to be clear - almost ALL residential warranties are not transferable.
Hi Paul, I just purchased one of these mowers yesterday at Lowes after looking at the comparable Gravely. I think it was the 52" ZTX. THE Gravely person said the two mowers were the same but he said Lowes doesn't service anything so you should buy the Gravely from us. It was $200.00 more. I thought if they are the same mower, why spend the extra money, so I bought the 52" Ariens XD with the 691cc Kawasaki motor. I like the color better too. I'm looking at your video here and see that you mention the Drive in the Gravely is better than the Ariens. I don't plan on pulling much but I do have a few areas of slope (18%) on part of the 3 acres I mow. I wonder now if I should return the Ariens and buy the Gravely. Also, on Reddit, someone said he would get the Kohler motor because parts are much easier to find than on the Kawasaki. What do you think?
The ZTX and the IKON XD are the same. The Gravely ZTXL has the upgraded transmissions and will cost you an additional $600+.
Your local Ariens dealer will do warranty work on the Lowes machine - but I suggest talking to the Lowes store manager to find out which dealer they work with the most.
Hey Paul....I've decided on the Ariens Apex 52 with the Kawasaki engine and 3100 serviceable hydros. I have done a ton of research. Two things I like are the prosumer hydros and the deck access cover. So easy to blow the grass out. Also like the way the chute can lock in place.Ill let you know how I make out. Take care and thanks.
Good Choice, I really like the APEX and if I had the yards for it that's the one I'd buy too!
Great video. Just what I needed.
This question has to do with the mulching kit for both the edge 42 and XD 42. When you reviewed the Edge you mentioned that there was a problem with the mulching kit in that it did leave a line but that it has been fixed last summer (2020). In some of the comments here you have not mentioned this. So, my question is: has Ariens fixed the problem with the mulcher kit for both the edge and XD 42 or is there still a problem?
There never was a problem with the XD 42 mulch kit. The deck on the XD is completely different than the deck on the edge.
Ariens went back and redesigned the mulch kit for the Edge 42 so that it now works on all grass types. When you buy one this spring it will be the revised version.
Thanks I just got one from Lowes’s and got home and found 2 different keys, both will start the unit , just wondering?
I like this ariens mower, but my biggest concern is the 2200 drives that i read were “no maintenance”. I would prefer something i could do regular oil changes on. I heard you say they gravely zero turn is the same mower with bigger 2800 drives. Which model are you referring to. Also, is that correct that these are no maintenance and how does that compare to the 2800 drives?
Thanks so much for your time and help!!
The Gravely ZT XL has the 2800 drives. Just so you know - we are not having the issues with the 2200 drives in the last 5 years like we did 10-15 years ago. In the past they were using them in larger/heavier ZTRs and I don't think the quality control was as good as it is today. In this size mower they will last.
Not sure if this thread is the place to ask this question but you seem fairly knowledgeable on zero turns in general. Do you have any insight/opinion on the Ferris 400S Zero Turn with the 48" Deck? Or the Gravely ZT HD 48"? 48" seems to be a good size for my residential 1-3 acres. Any other suggestions would be welcomed. The Ariens IKON XD doesn't make a 48" deck.
I like the Gravely ZT HD a lot. It's a very rugged homeowner mower, it cuts very well, and will last you many years.
I have two concerns with the Ferris. 1. It has a lot of extra parts for the suspension to wear out. 2. Ferris is owned by Briggs & Stratton. B&S put Ferris up for sale this spring. Now, B&S has declared bankruptcy and it's unclear if Ferris will even survive.
@@PaulSikkema Wow, Great information! I guess that brings me back to the Ariens IKON SD or an Ariens IKON APEX both appear to be good machines. I also considered the Simplicity Contender XT but if I'm not mistaken they are also owned by B&S? I was going to look into the Toro TimeCutter 50" Model 7550 but I believe they have a stamped deck, which may be ok, not sure? There is just way too much out there and with this kind of money, one wants to be reasonably sure there making the right choice!! Thanks Paul, keep me going in the right direction.
The Toro 75750 has a nice fabricated deck and also mows very well. Here are a couple of videos on it.
ruclips.net/video/MTI20_TrdWA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Cu4-Nbk04Xs/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/MRzF5JqGvgQ/видео.html
Am I missing something about why certain mowers are rated for certain size lawns? Is the big issue not just the amount of time it would take to do it?
The amount of time it would take is one factor. It's also the build quality of the mower itself. The quality of the engine, transmissions, durability of the deck/frame and how the deck cuts.
For example, a 42 inch $2500 zero-turn is built as cheaply as possible. It may last 200 hours before it's worn out. A 42 inch $3200 ZTR will have a better engine, stronger frame, better cutting deck and last twice as long. A $5000-7000 mower of the same size will last 2000 hours or more.
Since most people don't keep track of hours but would like their mower to last them 10 years or more. I rate the different quality mowers for the size of the lawn.
So - A $2500 can typically mow 1/2 acre every week for 10 years. But if you mow 2 acres a week that mower will probably only last you 2-3 years. If you have 2 acres to mow I would recommend a better quality mower (or a mower with a bigger deck)
If you are mowing 20-30 1/2 acre lawns a week I would recommend the $7000 mower.
@@PaulSikkema I figured the hours had something to do with it. I didn't realize there was that much difference in the $2500-$3500 mowers though.
Thx for the review. I've been looking at the Ikon XD42". Unfortunately, I can't find one locally. Nobody has them in stock. I did find one Ikon XD52" in stock at a local lowes. I may have to settle for the slightly larger 52" deck. I was hoping to stay as compact as possible.
You will like the XD 52 a lot. All the extra width hangs off the left side of the mower which makes it great for trimming. It trims a LOT closer than a 42 inch.
@@PaulSikkema Thats good to know. I guess I was just looking at the 42" because it seems more compact. I haven't seen them up close yet tho. Nobody seems to have them in stock. The Gravely mowers seem to be more popular in my area - which from my understanding are the exact same unit with a different color. Anyway, I'm leaning to the Ikon.. looks like I'll have to settle for the 52" lol
The ZT X is basically the same mower. The ZT XL has heavier transmissions, a nicer seat and headlights.
Great reviews Paul. I know you like the Timecutter and you had Deere tractors. What would you pick for a 3/4 acres lot with a 15 degree - 20 yard slope in front: The 42 inch Ikon XD, the 42 inch Timecutter with the v-twin and fab deck (to make it similar to the XD) or a JD tractor like an S240 with the K46 transmission? Use is just cutting grass, getting over that slope well, and I'd like to pull a leaf sweeper to making blowing easier. Not a powered leaf system, just the simple sweeper.
One caveat. I like to mulch my lawn when possible and don't intend to ever bag. I know all the mowers have available mulch kits. I've read that the Ikon has issues with cut quality with the mulch kit installed. I've not read any such reviews on the Toro, and I know the JD has the mulch on demand kit.
The timecutter has the lever so you can reduce your ground speed when pulling attachments. The helps to keep the transmissions from overheating.
Both the Toro and Ikon XD have bolt in mulch kits. The Toro is better. The Ikon XD works well if you mow when you are cutting off the right amount to mulch correctly (one third the grass height) If you mow weekly or let the grass grow too long it will leave strips. (Most mulching decks can't handle taller grass well)
The S240 would be fine with the sweeper if you are just cleaning up leaves. If you are picking up new-mowed grass you should only fill the sweeper one-third full on the slope. (Keep you total "trailer" weight to 250 lbs or less)
Can you attach a side mount bagger?
The IKON XD in this video has an optional 2 bin powered bagger available. The 2023 IKON that replaces this one will have a 2-bin conventional bagger option for leaves and a powered option for grass.
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Well hello my dear friend Paul, 2 questions for you.. what psi do you recommend for the rear and front? yes i do have the owners manual but there is a substantial difference in the front tires, you have been cutting grass for a long time so just wanted your thoughts on the psi, as noted I own the XD 42. its a great machine I love it! 2nd question can I tie a bungee cord around the plastic discharge shoot so its wide open? of course safety glasses i wear no matter what. thanks for always getting back to us in a timely matter, your friends The Pryors. and of course we subscribed to your channel, keep the reviews coming.
I run 12-14 lbs in the rear. I know the fronts are small so even if you only run 10 lbs in them it will be bumpy. In other words, I would run the fronts so they are a little "squishy" yet the squishiness doesn't affect the evenness of the cutting height. If you are mowing across a slope don't run with less than 12 PSI. The weight of the mower can cause the tire to roll and pop off the rim.
I never show it because it's not safe but - if the grass is not spreading evenly or I have mow in an area that interferes with the discharge flap I clip a bungee cord to the bottom of the plastic chute, pull it up, and then attach the other end somewhere to the mower. On a Toro/Exmark the lift lever is on that side so it's easy to clip to. I noticed my father clipped it to the deck lift pedal arm.
Does the Ikon XD 52" zero turn have a fuel gage? If so, where is it located.
The IKON XD has a transparent fuel tank. Lift the seat and you can quickly see how much fuel is in the tank.
When the mover is on, I am trying to turn PTO Blades on, and it's Clicking but won't work. What does it mean?
Great video an review. Appreciate it!!!!
Should I buy the Ariens Ikon XD 42 new, or a used Gravely ZTXL42 with 60 hours for the same price?
These are very difficult to get where I’m at. I have been waiting three weeks for the XD42 w/ the Kawi. They finally got one in w/ the Koehler but I’m holding out lol. Great video as usual, can’t wait to see this in action. Question, why the smaller scalping wheel by the discharge?
Yes, Covid-19 has disrupted everyone's supply chain - including Ariens. (I waited over 6 weeks for this mower)
I think they wanted the wheel out as far as they could get it but they also had that bagger bracket in the same spot. So-use a smaller wheel and everything fits :)
I had to buy XD42 with the Kawi. from Lowes.com. They are not at my local store. It took 3 weeks for mine to get to the store also. I had them deliver in the crate because I didn't trust them touching it. On a good note I used my Lowes card for the purchase and received a 5% discount. I love this thing and glad I waited for the 2020 upgrades.
On my ikon xd behind and below the battery are two wire ends not connected to anything. What are they for.
Thank you
I bought this last summer do you have to run the mower full speed or can I run at a slower speed. I usually run at 3/4 speed does it hurt the motor?
Running the engine at 1/2-3/4 throttle doesn't hurt the motor but it does affect your cut qualify.
When running the blade tip speed (engine throttle) below full speed the deck is not cutting at optium. If you have a nice, thick lawn you will notice that the deck leaves "stragglers" in other words it doesn't always cut all the grass.
So, if you want to run the engine slower you should slow down the ground speed accordingly.
This is one of the main reasons why walk-behind mowers no longer have a throttle. People would run the engines slower because of the noise but then they would complain the mower was not cutting well.
Paul, The specs I found on the IKON XD 52" said it is 63.4" Wide. Does that include the Plastic Shute? My shed's doorway is 60" Wide. It was my understanding the deck should be about 4" wider than the Blade Cut.
Yes, the 63 inches is with the discharge chute down.
Great review, thanks!
Seems both this machine and timecutter have pros and cons. If you can't reccomend which is the best all around. Do you know which is having less downtime issues. Not considering assembly problems from Lowe's. I read a lot of reviews on this model where the customers were having problems braking belts.
I talked to the Ariens engineers Wednesday and they have addressed the belt issue. My understanding is last year the belt manufacture changed the way the belt was built and didn't tell anyone. Ariens has switched to a different vendor for this year and the problem is fixed. Ariens sold all of last years stock so you won't have this issue with a mower built this year.
My job is to help you decide which one is best for you - not tell you which one I like best. That said,
I like the ride of the Toro a little better than the Ariens. The larger front casters smooth out the lawn more. But I like the traction of the Ariens. The larger rear tires give you more traction on turns and it will hangs on sloped better. You did watch the video of the XD mowing?
They both cut you normal lawn extremely well. At 5-6 mph they both cut as well as the commercial decks. If you have areas that you only cut once a month the Ariens will clear cut that tall grass/weeds better on the first pass.
I really like the Smart Speed on the Toro. It's great for inexperienced operators and allows you to tow larger loads.
I like the bull-nose front edge on the Toro deck. I makes the deck really strong if you bang into obstacles a lot.
I like the way the deck sticks out the left side of the Ariens. If you have a lot of trimming that really makes a difference in making the job easier and faster.
I like the 4 hanger lift system on the Ariens. The deck doesn't bounce side-to-side as much on rough ground and the lift is strong enough you can stand on the deck to get on and off.
And of course if you get the MyRide option the Toro is the smoothest riding zero-turn on the market.
how does this machine do going through standing water or wet grass?
Wet grass just fine - standing water just like everyone else. It's a great way to clean the deck but hard on belts...
Good job..Thank You!
I saw your video on the edge which is what got me looking at Ariens Zero-turns. I ended up getting a Gravely ZTXL almost the same as the Ikon using the exact same frame...it’s more heavy duty then the Edge. What made you switch?
Horace, I am doing reviews of both mower lines to help you decide which one is best for you. I have both mowers for long-term testing. The EDGE is a great entry-level mower - the IKON XD is a solid step up if you want to spend a little more money.
Yes, the only real difference is the Gravely ZTXL has the ZT2800 drives.
I wonder if there's a way you can attach a robot on that mower to keep a person from tipping over onto a person
There is one now available: www.totallandscapecare.com/equipment/article/15287807/electric-sheep-robotics-brings-automation-to-lawns
what is the difference between the Ikon-x and Ikon-xd? Which one should I get? I'm interested in the 42" deck. Thank you. Great video.
The IKON X is the old, discontinued model. The IKON XL has a bunch of small improvements to make it ride better and last better. For example, the XD has larger tires, better front forks, stronger frame and changes to the deck. The XD is about 75 lbs heavier so you know they put more steel into it.
If a dealer still has an IKON X it should be heavily discounted compared to the XD.
I've watched you walk around and review on the Toro Timecutter 42, Ariens Edge (Zoom) 42 and the IKON X-42. Thanks so much for the thorough, unbiased reviews but I'm going to buy one of these three. If you could only have one, which one would it be?
Either the Toro or the Ariens IKON X. My father likes the IKON X the best for the deck that sticks out the left for trimming and the larger rear tires so he can mow his front ditch. He can't mow that ditch with the Toro or the EDGE.
I can have the Toro without the MyRide Seat for $1,400 bucks and the Ariens world be $1,900. I've watched both your reviews and they have been immensely helpful. Thank you so much for your time and attention to these reviews.
What tire pressure you recommend i go slow and feel like the machine will tip over
12-14 rear 20 in the front
Are the EZT 2200 are they serviceable? Can you change the hydro oil for this ikon xd 52 model...🧐
EZT 2200 trannys are not serviceable - BUT - the Gravely ZT X now features ZT 2200 transmissions where you can easily change the oil. The ZT X is the same mower as the 2023 Ariens IKON with a few more features
I just purchased the ikon xd 52, the only thing I noticed is that it doesn’t have a fuel gauge, is that something that can be added on to the machine?
The fuel tank is transparent. Just tip the seat over and you can see how much fuel is in the tank. You'll quickly get used to that. With the Kawasaki engine we can easily mow 5 acres plus on one tank.
Can you grease the spindles and how long does the spindles last, that's the main question most lawn mowers now are replaced after so many hours!
All residential and many commercial Zero-turns now use sealed spindles. Why? because 90% of the residential customers don't own a grease gun and 95% of them don't grease the spindles correctly.
Sealed deck spindle bearings will last most homeowners 10 years or longer if you don't use a pressure washer directly on the seal and don't hit too many large rocks and cement curbs.
Trying to cut long grass (knee high) and having that grass wrap around the spindle can also damage both sealed and greased units
@@PaulSikkema I like the idea of reasonable spindles, you know everybody is not lazy and the more you use it the quicker the steel bearings run dry, it's just cheaper for the companies and it makes more money for the company by you having to replace the spindles, that's why they put sealed bearings in, there's money in replacements, what a shame! PUT SPINDLES IN THAT CAN BE GREASE !
Can we agree to disagree on this point? In the suburbs - where most of the residential ZTRs are sold - people don't do their own mechanical maintenance, don't know how, don't have the tools and don't want to learn. It's getting to the point where many just go to a big box store and buy it, fill it with gas and drive it until it quits - they don't change the oil, filters or the blades. Once it quits they just go by another one.
Great job
Nice job on the review.
Looking to purchase a ikon XD 42 model # 915265 with a Koehler 7000 series v twin 22 hp. Does this model have a good transmission ?
The IKON XD 42 uses the ZT2200 trannys. This is the industry standard for 42 inch machines.
If you have a lot of long, steep slopes to mow or you regularly pull 500 lbs or more you can get this mower with the heavy-duty ZT2800 trannys. It's the Gravely ZT XL and available at your local Gravely dealer.
Question: I have a large drain trench in the front of my yard with a 30 degree slope. How would this machine handle it?
Of course, I can't recommend using any zero-turn on that steep of slope especially if there is a drop-off or pond at the bottom. That said, Watch this video starting around 8:45. The roadside of that ditch is easily 30 degrees. ruclips.net/video/G0EqRCce7xE/видео.html
is there a fuel shutoff to run gas out of it for winter?
No, use a fuel stabilizer like SeaFoam and you won't have any issues. (99% of fuel issues are with smaller gas engine. We really don't have issues with the larger v-twins. Just use 87 octane fuel that has 10% or less ethanol.
My gate to the back yard is 44 inches wide, do you think this will fit through my gate with the 42 inch deck if i raise the plastic grass shoot on the deck?
I don't think it will. You will need a 46-48 inch opening.
So the front caster wheels are just grease? It looked like they took air
The front axles need to be greased occasionally. The front tires take air just like your car's tires.
Hi Paul appreciate great information and review. I was considering mz rambler 42 with Kohler 7000 series 725. I need your suggestion if you would prefer ikon xd 42 over rambler. I see that Ikon has better tires , seat , hour meter, engine is Kawasaki while MZ rambler has sturdy deck 7 gauge , bigger fuel tank and on the side.
The fuel tank on the Ariens is filled from the fender - it's under the seat to give you a lower center of gravity for traction when turning and mowing on slopes. The larger tires give you more traction for turning - it really makes a difference on poor turf.
The deck on the Ariens is also reinforced and is one of the best on the market for airflow so it cuts perfectly and gets rid of the grass quickly. My 96-year-old father has been using this one for a year now to mow his 3-acre farm lawn and hasn't been able to put a dent in this one. His lawn is very rough and has many fruit trees and buildings to mow around.
@@PaulSikkema Thank you for this information. I will go ahead with ikon.
Hey Paul, Appreciate the videos, I am going to get a zero turn. My current front runners are the
ariens ikon xd 42
toro timecutter 42 with fabricated deck
and I am looking a a hustler raptor x.
I am curious as to your thoughts and if you have any experience with hustler. I haven't seen anything on your channel.
The Raptor X is new and I haven't had a chance to mow with one yet. Did you know Hustler is now owned by Stanley, Black & Decker? The only negative I see at this time is the rear tires on the Raptor X are very aggressive. If this is your first ZTR or you have poor/sandy turf they may leave marks when you turn. If you have a very good, thick lawn this won't be a problem.
The Toro/Exmark 42 inch fabricated deck is my "Standard." It cuts very, very well and I compare all the other mowers to it.
I like the IKON XD 42 a lot. It has the 4-point deck lift so the deck gives you a lot less bounce than other three point decks. The IKON XD also has the largest diameter rear tires. This gives you the best traction over the Toro and Hustler for turning and mowing on slopes. The tires are turf tires so they don't tear up your lawn.
@@PaulSikkema Thanks paul, Last question, what are your thoughts on the John Deere Z3 series? Know its a stamped deck. Can't find many thorough reviews.
The Z300 series decks cut well. If you have a fairly flat, smooth 1/2 acre lawn I can recommend it. It compares to the Ariens EDGE for mowing but I like the available Kohler and Kawasaki engines on the Arien better.
It's definitely a step below the IKON XD in this video.
Did your mower come with 2 keys when I bought mine from Lowe's I only had one in the packet with all the instructions And manual.
Mine came from a dealer and it only had one key. You can get an extra at any Ariens dealer if you need one.
How does this mower do on a hill? Looking for a new one and the brand I have now you're along for the ride when going downhill, can't steer.
NO residential ztr will handle turning downhill on a slope very well. The cheaper/lighter the ztr - the worse it is. ALL of your turning is on the rear wheels so if they can't get traction - it won't turn. NEVER try to turn going downhill with a pond or drop off at the bottom. Ztr's with 18 inch rear tires are even worse.
But the IKON XD is better than most. The larger rear tires give it more traction. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/G0EqRCce7xE/видео.html. I'm mowing some pretty steep ditches with it.
Commercial ZTR's are better but the best are the steering wheel models. Cub Cadet is the only manufacturer currently making the steering wheel units and the good ones start over $6000.
How smooth does it ride compared to a Toro MyRide system?
The Toro's full suspension operator platform makes it unique for residential mowers. If you main goal is to get the smoothest ride - nothing else compares.
That said, This Ariens IKON XD cuts a little better and with the larger rear tires it has better traction. It doesn't scuff your turf as much as mowers with the smaller rear tires. The deck is supported on all four corners so it won't bounce like the 3-point decks on the Toro and Cub Cadet mowers.
I also like that the deck is offset to the left so you can trim around stuff easily.
Hi Paul. You were talking about how great the Ariens Dealers are and that they will service a Ariens product even if you didn't buy it from them. As you know I bought the Edge online and am having problems with the mulching cut. I have tried everything to try and get it to cut correctly without leaving a mohawk cut. I decided to take it to an Ariens exclusive Dealer. I called them and they won't touch my machine (warranty) unless I pay them $90.00 because I didn't buy it from them. I am thoroughly disgusted with Ariens.
I'd like to clarify. Did they want $90 to repair a warranty item or did they want a $90 deposit and would return the money if the problem was actually a warranty issue? Why the question? I know a lot of lawn & garden dealers, small appliance dealers and other businesses who require a deposit on warranty work just in case it wasn't warranty related and you decided to take it someplace else or abandoned the product if it wasn't.
@@PaulSikkema Last week I was told it would cost me $89.00 just for them to look at it because I didn't buy it from them. I called today and was told a different something different. They said it would cost me $75.00 to look at it and if Ariens agreed the warranty claim (I was told the part has to be defective) Ariens would pay the $75.00 fee and there was a 4 week wait to have them look at it..
On another note I have modified the mulch kit and am waiting for the grass to grow so I can cut it and see the results. Because I modified the part I won't be able to take it in for mohawk cut caused by the kit.
Can you please tell me what the total width is with the grass deflector folded up. I want this mower but I need to fit inside a 62.5 inch gate.
55 inches with the deflector up
The one your reviewing appears to be more red in color. I purchased this very unit, and mine seems to be more orange color and all the ones on the dealers lot were orange. I think they changed up the color just a shade
It's my camera - this mower is bright orange also.
Sorry I never got notification that you replied to my comment. Although I saw this video after I purchased mine, you’ve only reinforced the fact that I bought a good one and I’m very happy with this mower. Very well done video
4/18/21, @Paul Sikkema, I figure minus the house/driveway I have ~9K sq ft 2do. The Ariens is virtually identical to Gravely (same co); I'm narrowing down my choice b/w those 2 & Troy-Bilt ~3K. 42" would be fine; I still need the small (walk) mower & string trimmer 4 tight spots the big mach won't go. : )
I see you have a fairly small yard so a 42 inch is a good choice - but - The 52 inch Ariens/Gravely's deck sticks out quite a bit on the left side so it trims much better than most other mowers. If you don't have any width concerns you may get by without a trim mower.
I'm really impressed with the Toro 60 Volt MAX yard tools. Their walk-behind mower, trimmer and leaf blower are great.