@@neroangelo4439 i think its worth it. i just ordered mine off of Amazon a few days ago. $2600 new. should be here in a week. I know Nikon was definitely the slowest transitioning into the mirrorless cameras but man they really do deliver. Just gotta fix the AF a bit. Still, love my Z6 and i cant wait to try out my new 70-200 f2.8
@@otakutaka817 agreed, love my Z6 (vast improvements with the firmware upgrades) and will get the Z7II as a second/first body - my Z6 is mainly used for filming - and will fork out for the 70-200 S 2.8, amazing lens!!!
Different strokes for different folks, as a long time Nikon shooter I can tell you my Canon 70-200RF gets more use than any of my previous Nikon 70-200 as that compactness and weight saving makes you use the lense way more which is what photography is all about! Quality is really top notch! If you used it for some time you would never go back seriously 👌🏻 I get your point about the converter though and it’s totally valid!
@@KevinJRegan I do like the size of the Canon, when I first seen it I thought about converting back but I have had a Canon 5d mark 3 fail on me in rain that was nothing serious so it makes me worry about this lens in terms of toughness with the extending barrel but man that size is so nice I cant deny. IMO they should have made the 2.8 a pro lens that can take teleconverters and without the extending barrel, focusing on pure quality and made an even smaller F4 version that extended out like that. In fact I also wish Nikon had a 70-200 f4 that extended but there is none even in the roadmap. I actually don't need 2.8 and would forego some toughness if I were paying 1000-1500 instead of 4k where I live.
I see very mixed feelings about the review in the comment section. Anyway, I would have thrown in Tamron 70-180 and Sigma (if there is an option...I can't remember)
Already heard that the Nikon was sharper than the Panasonic, but to be honest, I'm super happy with the Panasonic's 70-200mm and it keeps surprising me.
I honestly don’t know why cats-eye-bokeh is now the objective part of judging bokeh quality. Optical vignetting is an inevitability with certain optical designs and it’s even present on the most high end of cine lenses. It’s also too subjective. I’d say, a lot of people don’t mid it or can even find it pretty. I find hard bokeh balls and onion-rings much more distracting that cat-eye-bokeh. I also don’t know how these lenses render now. We’ve only looked at the technical site of things. And yes there were some portraits in the video but they were in the section about the bokeh. A few real world photos would have been nice to make educated decision as to which lens would suit me best.
Glad that the Nikon came out so well against the others. I have the lens and the quality is fantastic. I find mine very fast to focus, did you have the correct focus settings set in the Z7?
@@PrinzMegahertz let’s be honest this was a trash bokeh test, not comprehensive at all. The Nikon has really great bokeh from what I’ve seen in other examples
@@lilnape2604 Agree. TBH I cannot see any differences between the four lenses. They could have done it better by simply shooting out-of-focus photo in the evening.
@@PrinzMegahertz The canon bokeh ball was as bad. But this was a useless test. This is not how a bokeh test is done. This is a biased review. Very clear. It is the subjective where the bias shows.
For the categories I value the Panasonic and Nikon separate from the other two. The Sony bokeh wasn’t even round at f4 weird. Did you guys lose the canon lens hood?
I agree with what was said about the sony lens, I notice the softness due to the field curvature even on my A7lll, my copy has better centers thankfully but almost no one seems to mentions that the Sony's focusing ring is not focus by wire but mechanically connected to the front focus motor.
check out dustin abott's RF 70-200 review. It basically hammered the rf 70-200 wide open resolution performance at its price point. My only bum with it is they chose not to add IS. If not there would be no hesitation for any one to buy an E mount telephoto zoom anymore.
Really loving the RF 70-200 2.8 on the R5, didn’t like using old EF versions,much bigger and heavier, and so I decided to use a 135 f2 instead :) paired with the R5’s eye AF it rarely misses a shot
Stills Shooter I am ..Wild Life in Africa ..The Z Mount delivers IMAGE quality which the Z mount delivers lens after lens ..Thee retractable Canon will be a proper Dust Sucker in the Kalahari Sand/Dust. No Tele convertor ability with the Canon ..So I can get 600mm f5.6 on DX and Canon only can make 300mm f5.6 ..no good for wild life ..Nikon hads delivered for me 100% for 45 yrs
Sounds so jealous ! As a a Canon shooter I don’t care what other sbrand offers.Lens are all about compromise and I like Canon choise, because it opens new usages.Nikon goes for max image quality in a classic design that’s fine too.Do not judge build Quality , all my Canon lens are indestructible, extensible or not.
I think we'll have to wait a couple years to see if the retractable design causes reliability problems. However, I can see dust being a problem earlier than that. Depends entirely on the sealing.
If you're applying crop factor to focal length you should be applying it to aperture too. A 70-200 with a 2x tele and a crop will be equiv to 600mm f/8 on full frame. Which though is still better than the Canon 600 f11 lens. Although tele and crop will make any lens soft
@@giklab I have shot the Rf 70-200 in some pretty brutal conditions and it has gotten sand and water on it with no issues yet. Admittedly I have only had it since May but I have put over 50,000 clicks on it
You miss to include the Tamron 70-180. Anyway, well-done comparison. I really like how small the RF considering its a 70-200 2.8. If you're going to make a 24-70 comparison next time pls add the Sigma. 🙏👍
As a Sony shooter I'm so mad and can only say that your test is... Probably completely accurate, and I don't really care about the Sony G master because it costs more than my car, and I can't afford one.
I like the cats eye edge bokeh, it adds more a 3D look. Also it is just dependant on the size of the lens, the shorter the barrel and bigger the front element the less edge cats eye you get. My 400mm has a 122mm front element and has barely any cats eye
As a Canon shooter I don't really know how to feel about the new RF version. On the one hand I like how small and light it is, but on the other hand that's basically the only improvement and I am now used to the weight of the old EF version and the image quality is the same or worse. I think I will also skip that one and keep my good old EF 70-200 F2.8 IS ii for few more years.
I find it interesting that every other review puts the Nikon Z 70-200mm as the best 70-200mm ever, but yet DPReview decides that it is tied for 3rd? The test results on just about every other sites shows Nikon is sharper, has less chromatic aberrations and almost no distortion, yet Canon wins.
Agree on Nikon, ordering one this week for my Z6 II. I thought it was odd until Canon released this "lipstick expanding style" every reviewer INSISTED on internal zoom. Yet, after Canon released, no RUclipsr talks about it.
@@Honkus I think the worst one is Tony Northrup. He made a big deal about banding and yet all mirrorless have them. He also made a big deal about rolling shutter on Nikon Z cameras, yet every camera has the same problem. When he tries to explain what rolling shuttle was, he had an image that states shot with Nikon Z7 on it. Why doesn't he use Sony image? He made it sound like only Nikon cameras have this problem. The other one is Tony claims Nikon charges a lot of money for their new cameras then after a few months they go on discount so they can get as much money from early adopters. Guess what, Sony A7R4 and A9ii were on sale for over $1500cdn just a few months ago. And I constantly see them on sale. This guy is a youtuber and not really a photographer. I stopped watching his bias opinions.
@@mlai2546 oh, I stopped watching Tony last year. He is pretty terrible for all the reasons you pointed out. Also his abuse of the f1.2 while filming was just stupidly distracting on top of his biased and flawed logic for a “tech writer”. :)
@@mlai2546 What's "every other review"? Virtually all reputable outlets agree that they're all pretty much even in image quality, while the Nikon and Panasonic lack in af speed due to the comparatively worse bodies. Most also comment Canon for the fact that they're the only ones delivering an innovative package with their much smaller size and lighter weight. By most accounts, this adds up to the Canon being the best choice and the others being about even.
Agree thats why i dont care my sigma art lenses are so heavy but for me 3 of the lenses when good enough for my work (portraits and weddings) herre alittle more softmesw in the corners are fine .
@@Herkulez1981 exactly, i can fit my r6 with rf 70200 in a very small 5L peak design bag, i cant even fit the ef 70200 lens alone without a body in the same bag
Which quality test, many things other than sharpness impact the image quality! If you do Astro you care about Coma most. Smooth in to out of focus transitions make a much better image in many cases, etc.
I am happy to be pairing my S1h with that beautiful Panasonic 70-200 lens in the future. And no one died from a bit of weight training... Right? Jordan?
Awesome video guys!!! I shoot Nikon and have a Z6. I’m not sure about the other cameras but in the Nikon menu you can adjust the AF speed (a3). I just checked it out and setting it to 1 is really fast and 5 is a lot slower. I believe the default is 3. Again, awesome video.
This has to rank as one of my all time favs you guys have produced. Tons of great content and great jokes! It’s hard to be funny but you guys sprinkled just the right amount of humor into the review. Knights who say ‘ni’ love it and we agree!
@@huxcry78 Hey Paul. No I didn't see RC's review, but read he was impressed.Of course its not a new concept, many zoom lens designs have discarded the single shell outer construction to save weight and space so the only novel element of the RF 70-200 is this features inclusion in a 'professional' destined lens. Usually manufacturers also reduce the price significantly, but I notice this hasn't happened (yet!). Time will tell whether this design will hold-up through many years of service; I've had my current 70-200 f/2.8 for 10+ years and its clean as a whistle, but its foolish to expect this new lens will survive all the bumps and bruises of professionals use without suffering consequences of its design. Professionals get to use their kit in dusty dirty places and having a set of bellows attached mid-ships to a rather expensive lens does not fill me with confidence. Yes it has filters, yes it has weather sealing, and yes it has moving parts against those same filters and seals that through use, neglect or age will fail; then the science (laws of physics) will take over. The DPREVIEW guys made a 'pigs ear' of this review, clearly showing bias (dunno why!). They could have lined it up at 70mm and 200mm to compare sizes, they could have found and attached the lens hood and made a bit of a fuss about the sliding door that it features to access a polarising filter. The AF speed test was total nonsense for the most part, as AF performance usually is controlled to a larger extent by the camera firmware which they didn't even mention. Bokeh is always going to be subjective without any variation of background; its not all about points of light. Then the focus test was probably the most unscientific I've ever experienced. I'm with ChrisN wife that target he used should be in the skip probably along with the review itself. I'm disappointed with DPREVIEW, they used to be quite a creditable bunch, but recently they appear to be heading the same way as the fro/knobrots of the youtube world. Shame.
@@prl105 Agree with you on these tests. They could be much more detailed, tested in various situations. I guess this video would have last an hour if they did it with deeper testing which may not fit to their time limits. Only time will tell for the engineering choice of this lens. I have not noticed issues on the net yet as this lens is a year old now. The only real downside for me is the incompatibility with extenders. I think it's a great move to have made this lens so professionals can still use the EF version if they go in dangerous environment, but for a non negligible amount of users the RF will get the job done, being robust and reliable enough for most situations. I still believe that other manufacturers should propose this alternative too. Thank you for taking the time to answer.
@@huxcry78 I took delivery of my Z 70-200mm f/2..8 VR S lens and Z 1x4TC last week. If/when it ever stops raining I'll get out to test it. Just the few shots I've taken indoors are showing quite an improvement over my F-mount 70-200 (G) lens, which perhaps wasn't the best copy. I have to say though the short-comings of the G lens are all addressed and then some by the S-line lens. Probably I'll leave the TC attached as there is little difference in quality unless I absolutely need the f/2.8 DOF/Bokeh.
One thing I noticed about the AF speed test: The Nikon lens, while slower than the Canon, has a smooth transition that would work well for video. The Canon is pretty snappy and jerky looking. Better for stills, but not as nice for video.
That is because he moved the Canon Up and down for this Test. The Lens is excellent for Videowork and the dual Pixel AF is working perfect (you can adjust the AF Speed and Transition speed in the camera)
@@derekv6479 then crop to 200mm on a 60mp Sony A7R4 and find out how it holds up. But lets get real, 180mm is very very close towards 200mm. It’s a lens that competes with the 70-200 line, else it would be the winner of the 70-180 lineup ;-)
@@AngelusHD It's not an apples to apples comparison. Being able not to account for 20 mm is a huge deal as far as optimizing optics throughout the rest of the range. Why do you think they did it? It's a one-off lens. People who buy these types of lenses for the compression effect won't even look at that unless they are on a budget.
@@derekv6479 I already stated it’s a one-off lens in my first comment, so why making an effort to repeat me. I know it’s not an 70-200, alot of people are on a budget, by not looking at the 70-180 if you are in the market for a 70-200 is just nonsense. But please don’t try to explain why they did not include such a lens, i’m fully aware why they didn’t :) As the topic starter stated, it would be nice to get a follow-up comparison. Which means it’s it’s another comparison in a different video and like yourself stated, it’s not an lens that should be in the original video, we all know why.
Thanks a lot! This comparison has been in the top of my most wanted reviews for quite a while! I would really appreciate the same kind of comparison of the mirrorless 24-70's for the same brands.
The unit conversions are very helpful for those unfamiliar with the superior metric system. I cannot say for sure but I guess it fills their need for lack of logic. Very nice of you guys!
Tanks for this comparative product list so helpful to understand the different spect in live. Im a new possessor of Lumix SIIx and looking for 70-200 Lens
Very nice review, you forgot to mention something about the Canon, if you are buying this lens with the expectative to be able to change the perspective /framing quickly that is not the lens for you. Besides that it's a monster. For me due to this critical flaw it's on par with the Nikon. If I was shooting Canon. 9I may next year) I will select the old L *just because of that* and how good the L glass is.
nice review. as someone in the nikon ecosystem i will say I am jealous of the panasonic’s ability to not focus breathe at all. however, i’m not jealous at all of the physical design of the canon lens. I’ll take the nikons fixed size, and the weather sealing that comes with it over the canon, ‘or are you just happy to see me’ pop out design. I’m also happy nikons lens is attached to the z-mount. lastly, i’m sure the nikons inability to focus as fast as the sony and canon will be made up for when nikon finally releases a pro z-mount camera. for how much sony charges for their lens, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What‘s about image stabilization? Isn‘t that also a feature of the lens at longer focal lengths? At least the Canon is outstanding in this regard with and without IBIS.
@@dafyddthomas7299 You are right. But the Canon is so small that I can put an additional RF 11/800 into my bag (which gives me a 4 times extender that collects as much light as the 2.8/200 does).
As many have whined the Tamron would have been good to include, but also the Fiji 50-140. Fuji fans like to whine that they can do everything full frame can. Would have been nice to see that comparison.
Had the XF 50-140 and now I use the Sony 70-200 GM - I much prefer the GM. The mechanical focus, the silent IS, and smother out of focus areas subjectively look better for me.
I have a sony a7 III and a panasonic S1R, I hesitate to buy a Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II lens or a panasonic S 70-200 F 2.8, it is to take sports photos in night with correct lighting. Thank you
Canon with its extending mechanism is less secure. I hope nobody would drop it when extended, also moisture can get into inside of mechanism and corode.
Its a myth... Please see on lensrentals which lenses have the Most problems with dust inside.. I know people who use extendable 24-70 in heavy conditions (climber and scientists which Work inside volcanoes) which have no Problems at all.
While the Panasonic has the largest filter thread it’s the only one of these lenses that takes the same size filters as it’s manufacturers equivalent 24-70 f2.8.
glad i got the RF 70-200 in the post today then :D its dark and wet over here in the uk though so just playing with it in the garden. you should have done the shortest focus length if that would have made any difference
How much does the Canon's extending affect its weather sealing? My old Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 (in wanky 'Space Grey') has been covered in sea water, spray, rain, sand and snow. I'm not sure I like the idea of an expanding lens in any of those conditions.
It probably doesn't at all. I've shot with extending barrels in literal monsoon thunderstorms before (Tamron 24-70 G2 mostly) and nothing happened to the lens. I highly doubt Canon compromised the integrity of a lens they know tons of wedding and sports photographers will use for their professional work. A bad rep for their glass with that crowd would be really, really bad news for the company.
The sony uses a pair of focussing groups with separate motors (one linear, one ring-ultrasonic IIRC) which I suspect may reduce the total "focussing throw weight"
Love this Review! Nice to see you guys changing it up!! So important information for the Flagship 70-200mm from the major Camera companies. It helps me and your viewer make better choices in buying into their next system! These lenses are BIG investments for anyone! Thx for the review :) Yes... I agree with some of the others, if you can, add Sigma glass into the next comparison
Would have been fun to throw the 70-180 Tamron in there just for devil's advocacy and the image quality that actually does hold its own in this class. Never mind the size and weight differences.
@@airjaff Pro portrait shooter here, cats eye is a BIG issue for my customers, once someone points it out to them. Before, not so much :) I only use Leica glass so bokeh quality is a non issue for me. I would go with the Panasonic for reasons not covered in this video, primarily its nearly complete lack of chroma issues and its genuinely very fine starburst patterns. My second place would be none of the others, cats eye bokeh, bleh.
Seems like the Canon RF 100-500 might actually be the lens to have for telephoto zoom in the Canon system? Skip the 70-100 all together. It is slower. But ...
Sony also needs update their 28-135mm f4 cine lens. I love everything about it except the bokeh on that lens is horrible, the zoom has delay, and they need to make it a t2.8, making it lighter would be great too but not a deal breaker.
The RF 70-200 does NOT accept teleconverters. The lens you are thinking is the RF 100-500 which accepts teleconverters and indeed locks out the wide end.
That auto focus test was odd. I’m not sure why you’d handy cap the functions of the body for this. I know, you’re testing the lens but no lens will focus without a body so the two are intrinsically linked
Also, not once did you mention how the lenses rendered colour etc. kinda odd to be testing lenses and not considering this. I realise I’m being very critical but I’m in the market for a 70-200 atm so more info would I have been useful
Lens Rentals (ISTR) pulled it down and said it's a marvel in engineering. It has weather sealing gaskets throughout and will have no weather sealing issues. People keep making that "assumption" with no clue as to how that lens is internally sealed.
@@mpgnz73 You can say 'agreed' all you like, but you're wrong. The lens has been pulled down and examined by a third party who said it is a marvel in engineering and is very well sealed throughout.
Nikon 70-200m 2.8 😍
I would have gotten it if it wasn't 3 grand here.
@@neroangelo4439 i think its worth it. i just ordered mine off of Amazon a few days ago. $2600 new. should be here in a week. I know Nikon was definitely the slowest transitioning into the mirrorless cameras but man they really do deliver. Just gotta fix the AF a bit. Still, love my Z6 and i cant wait to try out my new 70-200 f2.8
@@otakutaka817 agreed, love my Z6 (vast improvements with the firmware upgrades) and will get the Z7II as a second/first body - my Z6 is mainly used for filming - and will fork out for the 70-200 S 2.8, amazing lens!!!
Nikon is the clear winner here! I prefer to have a 2x converter, and corner to corner sharpness than compactness..
Canon is a dust pump. Imagine paying all that cash only to find out you can't put a TC on it.
@@silvere36 that is a Statement which is not covered by reality. Please see on lensrentals !!!!
Different strokes for different folks, as a long time Nikon shooter I can tell you my Canon 70-200RF gets more use than any of my previous Nikon 70-200 as that compactness and weight saving makes you use the lense way more which is what photography is all about! Quality is really top notch! If you used it for some time you would never go back seriously 👌🏻 I get your point about the converter though and it’s totally valid!
@@KevinJRegan I do like the size of the Canon, when I first seen it I thought about converting back but I have had a Canon 5d mark 3 fail on me in rain that was nothing serious so it makes me worry about this lens in terms of toughness with the extending barrel but man that size is so nice I cant deny. IMO they should have made the 2.8 a pro lens that can take teleconverters and without the extending barrel, focusing on pure quality and made an even smaller F4 version that extended out like that. In fact I also wish Nikon had a 70-200 f4 that extended but there is none even in the roadmap. I actually don't need 2.8 and would forego some toughness if I were paying 1000-1500 instead of 4k where I live.
Yeah not bad lens for a brand that will die soon 😅
The slow focusing of the panasonic is due to the lack of PDAF of the camera body. It would be interesting to run the test again with the new S5 II.
Nikon 70-200 z6ii you won’t be disappointed!
@michael must be doing something wrong every image i shoot is sharp.
Tried it and sadly was disappointed. The lens seems solid, but the af can't keep up compared to my D850 and the R6 I also tested.
Props to Panasonic, they really did a fantastic job.
I see very mixed feelings about the review in the comment section. Anyway, I would have thrown in Tamron 70-180 and Sigma (if there is an option...I can't remember)
Already heard that the Nikon was sharper than the Panasonic, but to be honest, I'm super happy with the Panasonic's 70-200mm and it keeps surprising me.
I love the IQ from my Panasonic 24-70 f/2.8 S Pro. Panasonic impressed me with IQ and Ergos with the downside being AF-C compared to the others.
I honestly don’t know why cats-eye-bokeh is now the objective part of judging bokeh quality. Optical vignetting is an inevitability with certain optical designs and it’s even present on the most high end of cine lenses. It’s also too subjective. I’d say, a lot of people don’t mid it or can even find it pretty. I find hard bokeh balls and onion-rings much more distracting that cat-eye-bokeh. I also don’t know how these lenses render now. We’ve only looked at the technical site of things. And yes there were some portraits in the video but they were in the section about the bokeh. A few real world photos would have been nice to make educated decision as to which lens would suit me best.
Glad that the Nikon came out so well against the others. I have the lens and the quality is fantastic. I find mine very fast to focus, did you have the correct focus settings set in the Z7?
Did we watch the same video? Having the worst Bokeh really does not speak for the lens
@@PrinzMegahertz let’s be honest this was a trash bokeh test, not comprehensive at all. The Nikon has really great bokeh from what I’ve seen in other examples
@@lilnape2604 Agree. TBH I cannot see any differences between the four lenses. They could have done it better by simply shooting out-of-focus photo in the evening.
@@PrinzMegahertz The canon bokeh ball was as bad. But this was a useless test. This is not how a bokeh test is done. This is a biased review. Very clear. It is the subjective where the bias shows.
@@PrinzMegahertz bokeh is more than just the size and shape of one's balls
For the categories I value the Panasonic and Nikon separate from the other two. The Sony bokeh wasn’t even round at f4 weird. Did you guys lose the canon lens hood?
I wonder about that too. Cabin not so small with hood. I'm bothered that it can't take a TC.
I agree with what was said about the sony lens, I notice the softness due to the field curvature even on my A7lll, my copy has better centers thankfully but almost no one seems to mentions that the Sony's focusing ring is not focus by wire but mechanically connected to the front focus motor.
They call it "sample variation." That is a nice way of saying this is an overpriced turd muffin.
Bokeh test not good. What about how it renders out of focus areas, the contrast in direct sunlight and sunstars.
Sunstars OOF? Tele?
From a m43 shooter, I am really impressed with the compact size of Canon. They really nailed this one.
Great comparison! Is the Panny 70-200 parfocal? Don't think you mentioned
While technically not a 70-200 lens, the Tamron 70-180 would've been a very interesting challenger to have in this test.
It'd have murdered the other four when price is factored in, so that's why they left it out 🤣
check out dustin abott's RF 70-200 review. It basically hammered the rf 70-200 wide open resolution performance at its price point. My only bum with it is they chose not to add IS. If not there would be no hesitation for any one to buy an E mount telephoto zoom anymore.
Not really
No IS is a bummer. Why not include that, even if it adds a little bit of bulk and cost? Would have been the better decision I'd say.
Really loving the RF 70-200 2.8 on the R5, didn’t like using old EF versions,much bigger and heavier, and so I decided to use a 135 f2 instead :) paired with the R5’s eye AF it rarely misses a shot
Stills Shooter I am ..Wild Life in Africa ..The Z Mount delivers IMAGE quality which the Z mount delivers lens after lens ..Thee retractable Canon will be a proper Dust Sucker in the Kalahari Sand/Dust. No Tele convertor ability with the Canon ..So I can get 600mm f5.6 on DX and Canon only can make 300mm f5.6 ..no good for wild life ..Nikon hads delivered for me 100% for 45 yrs
Sounds so jealous ! As a a Canon shooter I don’t care what other sbrand offers.Lens are all about compromise and I like Canon choise, because it opens new usages.Nikon goes for max image quality in a classic design that’s fine too.Do not judge build Quality , all my Canon lens are indestructible, extensible or not.
I think we'll have to wait a couple years to see if the retractable design causes reliability problems. However, I can see dust being a problem earlier than that. Depends entirely on the sealing.
So you don't use a 24-70 lens?
If you're applying crop factor to focal length you should be applying it to aperture too. A 70-200 with a 2x tele and a crop will be equiv to 600mm f/8 on full frame. Which though is still better than the Canon 600 f11 lens.
Although tele and crop will make any lens soft
@@giklab I have shot the Rf 70-200 in some pretty brutal conditions and it has gotten sand and water on it with no issues yet. Admittedly I have only had it since May but I have put over 50,000 clicks on it
I like the design of the Canon. What I have missed was the Tamron 70-180mm, just to have a comparsion.
You miss to include the Tamron 70-180. Anyway, well-done comparison.
I really like how small the RF considering its a 70-200 2.8.
If you're going to make a 24-70 comparison next time pls add the Sigma. 🙏👍
They won't do it cos there's the rf 28-70 f2.0 that would beat all the other standard zoom lenses.
As a Sony shooter I'm so mad and can only say that your test is... Probably completely accurate, and I don't really care about the Sony G master because it costs more than my car, and I can't afford one.
Tamron 70-180 :)
It’s just 70-180 not 70-200 🙆🏼♂️
Wowee, I was impressed the Panasonic did as well as it did, you guys released this just in time, I’m ordering the 24-70 2.8 and the 70-200 for my S1H
I like the cats eye edge bokeh, it adds more a 3D look. Also it is just dependant on the size of the lens, the shorter the barrel and bigger the front element the less edge cats eye you get. My 400mm has a 122mm front element and has barely any cats eye
As a Canon shooter I don't really know how to feel about the new RF version. On the one hand I like how small and light it is, but on the other hand that's basically the only improvement and I am now used to the weight of the old EF version and the image quality is the same or worse. I think I will also skip that one and keep my good old EF 70-200 F2.8 IS ii for few more years.
Its not the only improvement. its much sharper than the EF version. check tony northrubs channel where he compares the lenses.
@@MikedieONE wouldn't put much weight on TN content and another disadvantage with RF compared to EF is that no TC's can be used with this lens
Agreed! When I move on to Canon mirrorless, I will keep my EF trinity and just add on the 28-70mm f2...I ache for that lens😩
after looking at the video, my winner was Nikon
I find it interesting that every other review puts the Nikon Z 70-200mm as the best 70-200mm ever, but yet DPReview decides that it is tied for 3rd? The test results on just about every other sites shows Nikon is sharper, has less chromatic aberrations and almost no distortion, yet Canon wins.
Agree on Nikon, ordering one this week for my Z6 II. I thought it was odd until Canon released this "lipstick expanding style" every reviewer INSISTED on internal zoom. Yet, after Canon released, no RUclipsr talks about it.
@@Honkus I think the worst one is Tony Northrup. He made a big deal about banding and yet all mirrorless have them. He also made a big deal about rolling shutter on Nikon Z cameras, yet every camera has the same problem. When he tries to explain what rolling shuttle was, he had an image that states shot with Nikon Z7 on it. Why doesn't he use Sony image? He made it sound like only Nikon cameras have this problem. The other one is Tony claims Nikon charges a lot of money for their new cameras then after a few months they go on discount so they can get as much money from early adopters. Guess what, Sony A7R4 and A9ii were on sale for over $1500cdn just a few months ago. And I constantly see them on sale. This guy is a youtuber and not really a photographer. I stopped watching his bias opinions.
@@mlai2546 oh, I stopped watching Tony last year. He is pretty terrible for all the reasons you pointed out. Also his abuse of the f1.2 while filming was just stupidly distracting on top of his biased and flawed logic for a “tech writer”. :)
@@mlai2546 What's "every other review"? Virtually all reputable outlets agree that they're all pretty much even in image quality, while the Nikon and Panasonic lack in af speed due to the comparatively worse bodies. Most also comment Canon for the fact that they're the only ones delivering an innovative package with their much smaller size and lighter weight. By most accounts, this adds up to the Canon being the best choice and the others being about even.
It's all about the quality, the best lens is the one that won the quality test!
If u dont take the lens out often it is pointless no matter how good the quality of the lens is
Agree thats why i dont care my sigma art lenses are so heavy but for me 3 of the lenses when good enough for my work (portraits and weddings) herre alittle more softmesw in the corners are fine .
@@Herkulez1981 exactly, i can fit my r6 with rf 70200 in a very small 5L peak design bag, i cant even fit the ef 70200 lens alone without a body in the same bag
Which quality test, many things other than sharpness impact the image quality! If you do Astro you care about Coma most. Smooth in to out of focus transitions make a much better image in many cases, etc.
I am happy to be pairing my S1h with that beautiful Panasonic 70-200 lens in the future. And no one died from a bit of weight training... Right? Jordan?
I agree. All these videos about how 1/2 a pound is destroying their creative projects...Lift some weights, people!
Wrong! Every gram counts if you carry 5 or more lens in you bag! 😆
Awesome video guys!!! I shoot Nikon and have a Z6. I’m not sure about the other cameras but in the Nikon menu you can adjust the AF speed (a3). I just checked it out and setting it to 1 is really fast and 5 is a lot slower. I believe the default is 3. Again, awesome video.
Never regret to have switched to a nikon z system..I'm very happy with my Z7ii/Z6ii the magical 50 1.2S and 70-200 2.8S line
This has to rank as one of my all time favs you guys have produced. Tons of great content and great jokes! It’s hard to be funny but you guys sprinkled just the right amount of humor into the review.
Knights who say ‘ni’ love it and we agree!
Great, im still trying to find the best budget lens for my samsung nx500
canon is the winner because my bag is small, the best camera/lens is the one (always) in your hand (in everywhere)
Weed thing was absolutely smashing guys.... I love you 🤣🤣
The RF 70-200 is looking so good, like the first of a new generation of telephoto lenses compared to its old'n heavy competitors.
You'll find the dust will weigh it down, once it gets inside.
@@prl105 Did you see the RF 70-200 teardown made by lensrentals ? What do you think about it ?
@@huxcry78 Hey Paul. No I didn't see RC's review, but read he was impressed.Of course its not a new concept, many zoom lens designs have discarded the single shell outer construction to save weight and space so the only novel element of the RF 70-200 is this features inclusion in a 'professional' destined lens. Usually manufacturers also reduce the price significantly, but I notice this hasn't happened (yet!). Time will tell whether this design will hold-up through many years of service; I've had my current 70-200 f/2.8 for 10+ years and its clean as a whistle, but its foolish to expect this new lens will survive all the bumps and bruises of professionals use without suffering consequences of its design. Professionals get to use their kit in dusty dirty places and having a set of bellows attached mid-ships to a rather expensive lens does not fill me with confidence. Yes it has filters, yes it has weather sealing, and yes it has moving parts against those same filters and seals that through use, neglect or age will fail; then the science (laws of physics) will take over.
The DPREVIEW guys made a 'pigs ear' of this review, clearly showing bias (dunno why!). They could have lined it up at 70mm and 200mm to compare sizes, they could have found and attached the lens hood and made a bit of a fuss about the sliding door that it features to access a polarising filter. The AF speed test was total nonsense for the most part, as AF performance usually is controlled to a larger extent by the camera firmware which they didn't even mention. Bokeh is always going to be subjective without any variation of background; its not all about points of light. Then the focus test was probably the most unscientific I've ever experienced. I'm with ChrisN wife that target he used should be in the skip probably along with the review itself.
I'm disappointed with DPREVIEW, they used to be quite a creditable bunch, but recently they appear to be heading the same way as the fro/knobrots of the youtube world. Shame.
@@prl105 Agree with you on these tests. They could be much more detailed, tested in various situations.
I guess this video would have last an hour if they did it with deeper testing which may not fit to their time limits.
Only time will tell for the engineering choice of this lens. I have not noticed issues on the net yet as this lens is a year old now. The only real downside for me is the incompatibility with extenders. I think it's a great move to have made this lens so professionals can still use the EF version if they go in dangerous environment, but for a non negligible amount of users the RF will get the job done, being robust and reliable enough for most situations. I still believe that other manufacturers should propose this alternative too.
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
@@huxcry78 I took delivery of my Z 70-200mm f/2..8 VR S lens and Z 1x4TC last week. If/when it ever stops raining I'll get out to test it. Just the few shots I've taken indoors are showing quite an improvement over my F-mount 70-200 (G) lens, which perhaps wasn't the best copy. I have to say though the short-comings of the G lens are all addressed and then some by the S-line lens. Probably I'll leave the TC attached as there is little difference in quality unless I absolutely need the f/2.8 DOF/Bokeh.
One thing I noticed about the AF speed test: The Nikon lens, while slower than the Canon, has a smooth transition that would work well for video. The Canon is pretty snappy and jerky looking. Better for stills, but not as nice for video.
That is because he moved the Canon Up and down for this Test. The Lens is excellent for Videowork and the dual Pixel AF is working perfect (you can adjust the AF Speed and Transition speed in the camera)
Would've liked to see the Tamron 70-180...I know its not 200 but I bet the sharpness would smoke the gm on the riv.
We need a follow-up video with the Tamron 70-180.
But it's a 70-200 comparison. : |
@@derekv6479 then crop to 200mm on a 60mp Sony A7R4 and find out how it holds up. But lets get real, 180mm is very very close towards 200mm. It’s a lens that competes with the 70-200 line, else it would be the winner of the 70-180 lineup ;-)
@@AngelusHD It's not an apples to apples comparison. Being able not to account for 20 mm is a huge deal as far as optimizing optics throughout the rest of the range. Why do you think they did it? It's a one-off lens. People who buy these types of lenses for the compression effect won't even look at that unless they are on a budget.
@@derekv6479 I already stated it’s a one-off lens in my first comment, so why making an effort to repeat me. I know it’s not an 70-200, alot of people are on a budget, by not looking at the 70-180 if you are in the market for a 70-200 is just nonsense.
But please don’t try to explain why they did not include such a lens, i’m fully aware why they didn’t :)
As the topic starter stated, it would be nice to get a follow-up comparison. Which means it’s it’s another comparison in a different video and like yourself stated, it’s not an lens that should be in the original video, we all know why.
Think you'll discover the Tammy fails between 181-200mm.
Thanks a lot! This comparison has been in the top of my most wanted reviews for quite a while! I would really appreciate the same kind of comparison of the mirrorless 24-70's for the same brands.
I like my Sony 70-200 GM (have it now for 2 years). Maybe I have a better copy? Nevertheless Sony should improve their quality control.
As always the best review. This is what I really needed to know about the 70-200 lenses. Thank you guys
You should've tested the bokeh more. More than just judging the shapes of bokeh balls...
I guess I am buying the 70-200 for my S1 for Christmas this year. Amazing lens for amazing system
Nice to see the Canon rf winning here! Pity it won't take the teleconverter. Is that Canon's way of getting us to buy an additional longer zoom?
I know it’s not an actual 70-200, but after another wedding my appreciation for the Fuji 50-140 keeps on growing.
Can you do the same with 24-70 2.8? If you haven't yet
The Sigma 70-200 f2.8 sports can be pretty competitive too. A tad too heavy but its performance is rock solid.
Not sure how sharpness didn’t hold more sway in final rankings…. Kind of an important aspect of a lens.
Would love to see you do a third party lens shoot out with the 70-200
Sorry but this video looks like an ads show to different brands.They two gentlemen tried the best to hold that balance point.😁
The unit conversions are very helpful for those unfamiliar with the superior metric system. I cannot say for sure but I guess it fills their need for lack of logic. Very nice of you guys!
Tanks for this comparative product list so helpful to understand the different spect in live. Im a new possessor of Lumix SIIx and looking for 70-200 Lens
Very nice review, you forgot to mention something about the Canon, if you are buying this lens with the expectative to be able to change the perspective /framing quickly that is not the lens for you. Besides that it's a monster. For me due to this critical flaw it's on par with the Nikon. If I was shooting Canon. 9I may next year) I will select the old L *just because of that* and how good the L glass is.
Why this Canon tele-lens cant quickly change framing?
How dare you call me old for having experience with good comedy. I’m extraordinarily offended.
"Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?"
Next please best 24-70 2.8 :)
nice review. as someone in the nikon ecosystem i will say I am jealous of the panasonic’s ability to not focus breathe at all. however, i’m not jealous at all of the physical design of the canon lens. I’ll take the nikons fixed size, and the weather sealing that comes with it over the canon, ‘or are you just happy to see me’ pop out design. I’m also happy nikons lens is attached to the z-mount. lastly, i’m sure the nikons inability to focus as fast as the sony and canon will be made up for when nikon finally releases a pro z-mount camera. for how much sony charges for their lens, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Damn your neighbor pulled some nugs!
What‘s about image stabilization? Isn‘t that also a feature of the lens at longer focal lengths?
At least the Canon is outstanding in this regard with and without IBIS.
not so outstanding in not being compatible with any of the RF Tc's.
@@dafyddthomas7299 You are right. But the Canon is so small that I can put an additional RF 11/800 into my bag (which gives me a 4 times extender that collects as much light as the 2.8/200 does).
IBIS in the Nikon with the lens VR is honestly insane
I am confused, it is for Lens or Lens + SLR comparison?
As many have whined the Tamron would have been good to include, but also the Fiji 50-140. Fuji fans like to whine that they can do everything full frame can. Would have been nice to see that comparison.
Had the XF 50-140 and now I use the Sony 70-200 GM - I much prefer the GM. The mechanical focus, the silent IS, and smother out of focus areas subjectively look better for me.
I have a sony a7 III and a panasonic S1R, I hesitate to buy a Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II lens or a panasonic S 70-200 F 2.8, it is to take sports photos in night with correct lighting. Thank you
Canon with its extending mechanism is less secure. I hope nobody would drop it when extended, also moisture can get into inside of mechanism and corode.
I was also thinking the same thing. Plus, they're a lot more susceptible to getting dust in between the elements.
There are plenty of extending zoom lenses out there who work just fine...
Its a myth... Please see on lensrentals which lenses have the Most problems with dust inside.. I know people who use extendable 24-70 in heavy conditions (climber and scientists which Work inside volcanoes) which have no Problems at all.
African or European Swallow? I need specific specifications if I'm to make an informed decision.
Can you please do a comparison review of 24-70 2.8 ?
While the Panasonic has the largest filter thread it’s the only one of these lenses that takes the same size filters as it’s manufacturers equivalent 24-70 f2.8.
glad i got the RF 70-200 in the post today then :D its dark and wet over here in the uk though so just playing with it in the garden. you should have done the shortest focus length if that would have made any difference
How much does the Canon's extending affect its weather sealing? My old Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 (in wanky 'Space Grey') has been covered in sea water, spray, rain, sand and snow. I'm not sure I like the idea of an expanding lens in any of those conditions.
It probably doesn't at all. I've shot with extending barrels in literal monsoon thunderstorms before (Tamron 24-70 G2 mostly) and nothing happened to the lens. I highly doubt Canon compromised the integrity of a lens they know tons of wedding and sports photographers will use for their professional work. A bad rep for their glass with that crowd would be really, really bad news for the company.
The lcd on the nikon lens looks so cool, also handy during low light
Also an OLED not a LCD :-)
@@JonInLondon even better
I'm surprised that Sony GM, being an older lens, is still faster than Canon and Nikon.
Its barely if any faster that the canon, he just pans the sony faster and autofocus has something to do with the body as well
The sony uses a pair of focussing groups with separate motors (one linear, one ring-ultrasonic IIRC) which I suspect may reduce the total "focussing throw weight"
What about parfocal for Panasonic? U didnt tell about it
Don’t the new rf tele converter not work with the canon? Is that for real?
The RF teleconverters both extend into the mount of the lens, and the 70-200 lens has glass there so they interfere and won't mount. It's a travesty.
The cardboard sharpness test is really useful due to the texture of the paper. Very good indicator of performance
You should make a video of the after market ones too, my Tamron 70-180 is shockingly good
Would be nice to see comparisons with 24-70 f2.8 or some prime lenses
Loving the new sticker in the intro! 👌🏼👌🏼
Love this Review! Nice to see you guys changing it up!! So important information for the Flagship 70-200mm from the major Camera companies. It helps me and your viewer make better choices in buying into their next system! These lenses are BIG investments for anyone! Thx for the review :) Yes... I agree with some of the others, if you can, add Sigma glass into the next comparison
LOLed so hard @ 1:50 with the neighbors 5 weed plants yielding 1360g XD
Would have been fun to throw the 70-180 Tamron in there just for devil's advocacy and the image quality that actually does hold its own in this class. Never mind the size and weight differences.
The bokeh test doesn’t make any sense.
Not a very good bokeh test! This cats eye stuff, I think it's only an issue for youtubers!
Please enlighten us with your wisdom, how they can do a proper bokeh test then ?
@@JetBen555 just have some foliage in the background with speckled sunlight.
@@airjaff Pro portrait shooter here, cats eye is a BIG issue for my customers, once someone points it out to them. Before, not so much :) I only use Leica glass so bokeh quality is a non issue for me. I would go with the Panasonic for reasons not covered in this video, primarily its nearly complete lack of chroma issues and its genuinely very fine starburst patterns. My second place would be none of the others, cats eye bokeh, bleh.
@@annenominous7220 your are saying your client zoom in and said yo that ball look like a american football, so shit i wont hire you next time??
Neaykon is 1360g I wonder how heavy is Nikon lens?
Would have loved to see the Tamron 70-180 in this roundup, even if it came last, just to pose the question of what do you get for an awful lot less.
… let‘s do this test with the Sony 70-200 GM II, my friends from DPR … 😄 …
Amazing that the AF speed of a very old Sony gmaster lens is still superior than the newer competition offerings
Seems like the Canon RF 100-500 might actually be the lens to have for telephoto zoom in the Canon system? Skip the 70-100 all together. It is slower. But ...
Sony also needs update their 28-135mm f4 cine lens. I love everything about it except the bokeh on that lens is horrible, the zoom has delay, and they need to make it a t2.8, making it lighter would be great too but not a deal breaker.
I’ve held off buying the GM precisely because of those reasons. I know Sony can make a wild mark ii. Please make a similar video for each 24-70
Forgot the corner sharpness Let’s all go to Chris’s Neighbours house for a party
I’ve sometimes heard the Canon doesn’t accept a teleconverter, and sometimes heard it works but locks out the wide end. Could anyone clarify that?
The RF 70-200 does NOT accept teleconverters. The lens you are thinking is the RF 100-500 which accepts teleconverters and indeed locks out the wide end.
@@erikszigeti thanks, that’s a boo on both counts.
Thanks for the nice comparison, stay safe in Alberta.
Liked the review. Would like to see 100-500 review.
I just like seeing how small the Canon RF lens is.
Thanks for a great info and review of these great systems....it does highlight the good, bad and ugly which is refreshing to see and hear.
Great comparison! Please do a similar comparison for 24 70 and 14 24 zooms. Would ve very helpful.
That auto focus test was odd. I’m not sure why you’d handy cap the functions of the body for this. I know, you’re testing the lens but no lens will focus without a body so the two are intrinsically linked
Also, not once did you mention how the lenses rendered colour etc. kinda odd to be testing lenses and not considering this. I realise I’m being very critical but I’m in the market for a 70-200 atm so more info would I have been useful
@@NickGranville Auto White Balance quality of the body is probably a major culprit there.
I got the reference. and I am VINTAGE like a fine wine. Awesome classic BTW
Fuji 50-140mm? Would love to see it next to them
Hello sir Can i know what body do you used for sony lens...?do you think its good and sharf for a7riii 42mp?
I don't want to be that guy who always complains but I do wish you included the Tamron 70-180.
Canon will have some weather sealing issues. And if a 70-200mm lens doesn't take TC then it is a too limited lens and it's a really bad idea .
Lens Rentals (ISTR) pulled it down and said it's a marvel in engineering. It has weather sealing gaskets throughout and will have no weather sealing issues. People keep making that "assumption" with no clue as to how that lens is internally sealed.
Agreed. The likely weather sealing issues and lack of TC capability are a major set back for professional use.
@@mpgnz73 You can say 'agreed' all you like, but you're wrong. The lens has been pulled down and examined by a third party who said it is a marvel in engineering and is very well sealed throughout.
@@cooloox Many professionals use TC with the 70-200mm f2.8 lenses. And I guarantee you that this lens has weather sealing issue.