I'm still wrapping my head around whether zooming to 400% (fairy dust results) and comparing 24 MP against 50 MP is even fair. I'd be more convinced to see a 100% zoom of equal size .jpg files from each camera.
@@vegaryfoss179 You see this for example at 6:13. That is a noticable difference side by side. Like Tony also states, most people wouldn't have anything to complain about the Fuji output and certainly not when you don't have the identical Sony result next to it. But it is not that you can't make great pictures with the Fuji setup, it is trying to compare different lenses. Also, of course you get only f/4 full frame background blur, but that is just part of the crop sensor setup (a big plus for landscape photography where you want a large depth of field without tiny aperture)
I mean, that's the point... Should he have left the Fuji out because it's not 45MP? I'm sure youd be singing a different song if it ranked higher in the comparison. I personally would much rather see the honest results and be aware of the caveats than have to continue to imagine how Fuji compares to "pro" camera systems because it wasn't part of the shootout purely on the basis that it's not full frame. Tony called all of those things out in this comparison. He also praised the Fuji for what it brings to the table and qualified all of his statements. Not to mention this is all relative anyway. You're watching this on RUclips...
Well then pretend it isn't in the test. It's an APS-C camera and honestly doesn't belong with the others just for that fact alone, irrespective of megapixels.
I'm very glad the X-T4 and 50-140/2.8 were included, because I've shot with that exact setup, and I loved it. The fact that the others are better means that any of the four would make me happy. As a Canon shooter now, I'm considering picking up the RF 70-200 because my time with Fujifilm assured me that the 'equivalent f/4' looked great to me.
Focus breathing (not focal length breathing) is not considered in your testing. All Nikon Z lenses are made considering minimum focus breathing for Hybrid videographers. This makes some of Nikkor glass heavier than their counterparts.
Which is a good reason not to buy into the Z system - adding a video feature by making glass heavier is a terrible trade off, especially considering that no client will care about focus breathing, ever.
One more thing the Nikon, Fuji and Sony lens can do the Canon can't is take Teleconverters, sure its a minor thing for some buyers but sometimes its nice to get a little extra reach without having to bring along another lens.
Try out cropping instead of tele-conversation. + Sharper + Faster due to the f stop you have to multiply the tele-conversation with + Cheaper 😜 Crop = free Tele-conversation = to expensive
@@constantinaichele5357 That might apply more for higher res bodies but 24mp FF bodies like the A7III where you have less megapixels to crop with I feel that the TC still has merit but to each their own.
You can control the aperture with the Nikon lens as well. Also the display is clearly a PLUS, how can it not be ?? Even if you can't see it, the rest of us can and find good use of it. We can even use it to actually see the optimal Dof (hyperfocal distance) in that display. I find it very strange that you are not able to actually point out the advantages of each lens, but still feel you have the right to point out a "winner". It's just sad :(
@@youknowwho9247 I think it's all BS anyway. Turning a ring on the lens or spinning a dial which is always at your fingertips is neither here nor there. It's not the film days now, so who cares about a physical aperture ring? The Fuji top dials are the slowest controls to access and totally useless if you shoot in scenarios where you're constantly changing aperture/shutter speed/ISO quickly while grabbing a moving subject.
@@youknowwho9247 Z7 II is the best landscape mirror less camera than R5 and A1, it might not have R5 like AF but A1 is totally different class. How can you compare.
@@souvik8335 How is the Z7 II a better landscape camera than the R5? They offer the same resolution and produce essentially identical images. Camera bodies don't matter for landscapes. Even an old D800E or a7R II would work just as well.
0:52 the Z9 does not have an OLPF and we do not know if it has worse image quality than the Z7II, the Z9 sensor has a piece of glass in front of it with a protective and antiglare coating, this is to increase durability and possibly image quality, but it is not an OLPF.
I’m not a professional photographer by any means, but as a wildlife biologist I really want Canon to make RF 70-200s with internal zoom. Taking telescoping zoom lenses in the field is not ideal for me (I study crocodiles so lots of water, mud, dirt, and dust)
@Photo Bunny I have the Canon 100-400 as well & it’s a fantastic lens with great IQ, this is just my personal preference. If I had the option of internal zoom vs telescoping zoom I’d take internal every time
Then just get the Sony setup, it has exactly what you’re asking for and the Sony A1 is a better photo camera than the R5. Since you’re a wildlife biologist, I think you will benefit from the higher raw shooting speeds and faster sensor readout of the A1. Also there’s no overheating in video which also helps, overall the Sony setup seems better to me
Tony… how about a follow up video on the Z9. You need to create an ‘I was wrong’ video focusing on the 120 fps claim when you insisted that this would be without AF. I think it’ll be taken positively by your viewers. Take care
Maybe it will be a 'Breaking News' dramatic removing of specs and hard background track video :o) "Nikon have added autofocus to the 120fps shooting mode" :o)
@Photo Bunny I don't disagree that some people will find it usable, but saying it's "more than enough" is subjective and I think it's a pretty big asterix to put on a pre-release marketing claim, so I still don't think Tony owes anyone a retraction
Uhhh.. you mean like when they do a full review, as opposed to the “I don’t have this and it’s being released tomorrow here’s my best guess” video? Goodness, you can’t actually be that aggrieved by what one guy speculated about a camera in a video one time. Can you?
@@Mr09260 Unless shooting with the $8,000+ highest end lenses, teleconverters don't get better image quality than cropping and enlarging in post, and you lose light using a TC.
@@longliveclassicmusic That is only the case with high resolution sensors. When shooting with something like the R6, R3, Z9, A9, etc. a 1.4x teleconverter on a good quality 70-200 always gives better results compared to cropping.
@@TechnoBabble I strongly disagree with this. I've done endless testing in this particular matter and no Nikon F-mount lens is worth putting a TC on over cropping in post.
I wish the testing was more thorough. Other sites say the Sony 70-200 is a weak performer with backlight. One picture at one focal length doesn’t tell us anything.
@@njrtech z9 and a1 resolution is so close any sharpness differences would be lens dependent. So whatever Sony or Nikon lens is sharper will have sharper files with those cameras.
@@tqlla the sony is 1:4 ratio but even my old 70-200VR1 Nikon lens on my D800 is 1:6 ratio. The newer VR2 and newer lens is 1:8 ratio. My D800 and lens cost a little over $1100 on the used market with
Man, I see so many salty people in the comments you guys amused me. The real message here is simple, there is no true winner. It's only what you prefer to invest your money in.If you bought one of the 3 latest full frame 70-200 2.8, you can be rest assured you are not getting anything less than the greatest as of this date. In fact, most modern lenses released in the last 10-20 years are not that far behind for anyone to produce high quality products for their business. So there is really no need to argue whether yours' the best or not. I'm no longer into 70-200 zooms since I found out that I rather use a prime for evertthing a 70-200 2.8 could do, and accomplish it with a 100-400. It's great to see Sony adding nicely to drive up the competition. Everything we have today, the Z9,R3,R5/R6, RF mount, Z mount can all be indirectly thanks to sony.
Exactly @jamesjin ! Companies do what they do inorder to stay in business and pay their employees. That doesn't mean we have to always want the latest and greatest. I'd go on a limb and say that maybe 80% of all users of these gear (me included) aren't using them to their full potential. Ergo, gear doesn't matter. I understand this video had a purpose, but its just another set of parameters to educate oneself on and not get salty here. Oh well. There will always be some of those online.
There's a huge benefit to the compact size of the lens! At Dodgers Stadium (baseball for the non-baseball people), they have a max 6" lens limit. Normally, that would limit you to 85 mm and smaller. But the RF 70-200 is only 5.75 inches because it retracts. So you can get a 200mm game into Dodgers Stadium without a press credential! And by the time you get by security, it doesn't matter that you can extend it to 200 mm and take some amazing shots! Try to get any of the other 70-200 lenses into Dodgers Stadium and they'll make you trek all the way back to your car to leave the gear.
By the way, you can adapt all these lenses to the Nikon, but you can't adapt any of the others to each other. So you can buy an autofocus sony E to Nikon Z adapter and use that G master on a Z9.
just one question: have you shot the nikon at 200mm or 70mm for the macro shots? afaik its better at 70mm because the minimun focus distance is under 0.5m at 70mm compared to about 1m at 200mm.
I've used the Nikon 200-500 for closeup shots. Great for chasing butterflies and dragonflies. You don't have to get real close. I just got the 70-200 Z lens and have not used it much. From the few pictures I have taken, I love the lens.
It is a completely useless test. He is testing a zoom lens without taking snapshots at multiple focal lengths. He has not mentioned the focal length in several of his slides.
One thing you didn't touch on was video - Nikon have been clear that they have built their lenses for the Z to be true hybrids and are bigger to ensure they are premium for video as well as stills (0 chromatic aberration etc). I have 0 idea how well the other lenses do for this but that's my understanding on why Nikon haven't gone smaller/lighter. To be honest all 3 of the full frame lenses look like they will do a great job if you are in that system which is a win for consumers everywhere
Sony E-Mount was designed for the cinema line-up as well so most of their lenses are silent and fast. Especially now. Like you, I don't know where they all stand at, but the focus breathing area would be important for those who are doing video. The Sony and Nikon did well in that regard.
Not really sure the point of this video. If I own one system, I am staying with it, not changing brands because some youtuber says another brand is a little better.
Obviously, all the full frame zooms here are fantastic. I'm really glad to see Sony's latest efforts, though. Their 35mm f/1.4 GM is the first Sony prime I've used (and now own) that is really up there with what I like best about recent primes from, say, Zeiss and Leica. It has contrast, character, and mostly depth. I've looked at a lot of other's posted photos from this Sony 70 - 200, and I see some of the same. The Sony looks like a brakethrough design to me, and probably all that you could ever want or need for either the A1 or the A7-R IV. Thanks for this review.
@@Schaneification He had a whole video talking about how much he liked Fujifilm's ergonomics and style. I had an X-T1 before and I loved the feel of the camera and the colors it produced.
That lens is old compared to the other 3, it make a lot of sense to me. (im an XT4 owner btw). Also remember that the other kits are worth up to 2-3 times as much as the Fuji.
I love my Fuji zoom and wouldn’t know the difference if I hadn’t watched this video. And to pay double pretty much on top of an expensive body like the Sony-It gets overwhelming. I am happy with the Fuji but still appreciate all your reviews.
Sensor size does not effect aperture!! - ask an expert... I would much prefer the internal focusing at the expense of a longer lens. The Canon is not push-pull but is external focusing. Focus breathing is more of a problem for video shooters.
what?😂 no it affects the framing, you need wider mm to get the same framing which affects compression :) he never says its push-pull focusing, go somewhere else with your baseless nitpicking.
The GFX isn't really a flag ship camera. It's solid for single shot stills, and that's it. Flagship cameras are usually the accumulation of the best of the best that that company has to offer.
Panasonic has a 70-200mm f2.8 L-mount lens as well as a 70-200 f4 L-mount lens, both of which work with all of Panasonic's "S" cameras (S1, S1R, S1H, S5), but Panasonic is rarely included in your comparisons. I have to wonder why.
@@sexysilversurfer So? Northrup's whole deal is keeping people informed. It looks more like marketing when the "best sellers" are the always the focus. Innovation never comes from the top dogs. Baaa
@@TheKentaurion what makes you think I’d be disappointed? I know there are trade offs with m4/3, but the combo I recommended has some of the traits Tony praised in the other systems. Don’t know the results until you run the experiment 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t have the money or connections to gather all the equipment Tony has there so I was hoping he’d throw curious m4/3 users a bone.
@@proksalevente I agree that larger sensored systems have become very competitive with a lot of the features that initially differentiated m4/3, but I am still curious. Remember, this video is more about how the workhorse 70-200mm lens works with the system rather than a sensor debate. Tony compared size/length (Panasonic is fairly small and internally focuses), sharpness (the Panasonic is quite sharp in my photos, but I want Tony's input), contrast (I'd like to see this compared in the same studio setup), bokeh (not great separation due to sensor size, but is quality good?), focus breathing and magnification (I'd like to see this evaluated) and starburst/highlight capability (guess I could go shoot in the sun...haha). Again, if I had the money, equipment or RUclips channel to perform the comparison, I would love to, but that's why I asked Tony if he could do it.
Fuji should be comapred with APS-C sensor cameras of this brands. :) A6600, M6, Z50 :) And better comparison for those FF were GFX 50 SII with GF lenses.
Possibly, but the comparison was supposed to be more focused on the lenses. The GFX system doesn't really have a 70-200mm f2.8. The 100-200mm f5.6 is more like a 79-158mm f4.4
GFX has pretty much the same sensor size as FF (the horizontal crop factor between those is only 1.2). So yes, GFX should be compared to FF (and not to "real" digital medium format, which has much larger sensors). On the other hand, GFX has no lenses which come close to typical FF lenses' application areas. For example, there is nothing like a GF 85-240mm F3.4, which would have been required to reach (or compete with) FF 70-200 F2.8 (in equivalence terms, applying the 1.2 crop factor for equivalence).
I knew the new Sony was good and previously thought it probably matched the RF and Z mount versions but in this comparison its the clear winner for me. Makes me want one ever more now for my A7RIV.
Nothing here of any use other than from a curiosity perspective. No one would base any choice among these system based on any slight difference between these lenses. .
According to B&H they will start shipping on 12 December. I ordered mine within minutes of the Z9 being released and hope you are right but having read so much garbage about the Z9 I will trust the B&H date.
The Nikon does have a multifunction programmable ring just like the Canon, except it has the oled panel that can show aperture. Not sure how you missed that?
I dislike these comparison videos because I have spent a lot of money on my Nikon gear, so I'm not really interested in what Sony or Canon are up to. Sony and Canon are excellent camera and lens manufacturers but in reality how much gear can a guy have? These comparisons are meaningless because they don't reflect real world use. I've learned never to trust Utube reviews anyway.
@@lh3540 added point: you should research more than basing your decision from one channel. There are plenty of reviewers out there. Most of them have biases or affiliated with certain brands. So, collect all the pros and cons from their reviews.
It would appear this video is old. Not sure why he didn't compare the medium format Fuji with the full frame offerings from Nikon, Canon and Sony. Would have been interesting to see a medium format camera would compare.
Lens design has basically come to the point that the year the lens first came out determines how good it is. Younger by one year could be visibly better in some way. People used to say that cameras are for now and lenses are for the long term. Not any longer.
Yes to some extent that does seem to be true but why? Is it that competition drives R&D improvement or is it access to better tech - improvement in coatings etc? Sony Mk2 is certainly a good improvement over original and probably best here. Yet surely physics is physics and there is a limit to how much of an improvement can be made?
So, let me get this straight. Portraits produced by the Fuji are perfectly fine unless you are pixel peeping and the lens can be picked up used in excellent condition for a third of the cost of the Sony, half the cost of the Nikon and 40% cheaper than the Canon, but.... What, again, was the point of ranking these lenses?
Good test but I have doubts in the contrast part, the real focus length is obvious different, and it will induce different strong light interference, make the test result totally different, u can see the canon is short focus length, more ambient strong light will come in, maybe u can try to equal the focus length and test again in contrast part.
Don't doubt it's ability to maintain contrast... It's easily the most impressive 70-200 I've shot with. It's sharpness and contrast are impeccable. The mk Ii represents a new level of IQ from a zoom
I think in the sony backlight test, it looks like more of the light is blocked by the head, while more of it is peaking out on the others. Was the position a little different from camera to camera, because it looks that way in the images.
@@TonyAndChelsea but the lenses are different lengths. Ensuring the tripod is the same distance from the subject doesn't guarantee that the shots are identical, does it?
If you used Lightroom for all 3 cameras to develop the raw photos, for sure the Fuji lens pictures will be the worse. If you had used Capture One, your final results might have been different? Just wondering.
I prefer internal zoom capabilities like on the Nikon. Fits much better for a professional lens being more robust against dust, moisture and sand flying around in the air.
@@truthseeker6804 Tony and Chelsea are reviewers. Jared Polin, Matt Granger, DPReview and others also not affiliated with Nikon have done extensive testing with the camera.
@@truthseeker6804 Hardly. It is real. It exists. It is available for pre-order. Its existence affects the buying decisions of many people. You may not be interested in seeing reviews but lots of folks are including me. It would be great to see how this z lens preforms on the flagship just as Sony's was tested on their flagship. Apples to apples. I would enjoy seeing Tony and Chelsea test the camera.
@@lsaideOK how is hr going to review of something that he doesn't have?. When it's actually attainable and he gets it and makes a review i would watch it. I agree I would like to see it compared to others when it can be gotten.
I'm glad that you did a comparison of this type of lens. It's a critical one for any camera system. But this comparison is far too short to adequately cover all the things these lenses are capable of and used for. Please make a part 2. 🙂
Don't doubt the results at all. Bear in mind most of the examples are viewed at magnifications that no-one will ever look at images at. It's obsessing over unnecessary detail in my opinnion. The real questions is 'how good, is good enough?'.....if you're not printing billboards, most of this is irrelevant. I'm betting most people watching this channel are enthusiasts who haven't realised that 95% of what makes great images has nothing to do with corner image sharpness. If you have an unlimited bank account - there are fantastic products out there. Go for it.
The Canon EF 70-200 f2.8 iii might be better if you prefer internal zooming lenses and don't mind a bit heavier lens. You could also potentially use the variable ND EF/RF adaptor if you do a lot of video.
The Fujifilm XF50-140mmF2.8 is sharper (higher resolution) than the X-T4 image sensor. (The lens is also on the compatible list for the new 40 MP sensor). From my own experience, I get digitisation before lens blur. It's a brilliant lens. Yet you make it look like a wretched el cheapo crap blurry lens. WHAT'S YOU'RE GAME.? Except for Chelsea's X100 camera reviews, of the comparison videos I've seen of yours, you always appear to coordinate comparison reviews to put Fujifilm in a miserable light. Are you a misguided fan boy or are you being paid off (presumably by Sony)? Hell, your MAIN points on the Fujifilm X-H1 for your X-H2 prediction video, were embarrassingly erroneous. All you had to do was do a quick Google check. What's your game? I wouldn't care, I would just not watch your channel (which I mostly don't now I'm wiser), but a lot of people will get influenced by you.
Great vid as always! I know there's only 10 of us but would be nice if you had compared the Panasonic 70-200. Been lots of great upgrades recently including an extra stop of image stabilisation in the 70-200 lenses. 🙂
Just shot with the Panasonic 70-200 f2.8 last weekend. Handily outweighs these other lenses, and seemed super heavy at first, but I got used to it, even with the collar removed and going handheld. Stabilization is surprisingly good, which makes the MF focus clutch all the more useful. Now I just need to save so I can buy one for myself!
I feel like the contrast test is super super sensitive to the exact position of that backlight. Ie my hypothesis is that if the light is even a single pixel closer to the eye, due to the cameras being in slightly different positions, then the contrast loss will be drastically different. Of course I haven’t set it all up to test but that’s how my experience with loss of contrast that results from harsh backlighting.
I recently went through KEH via your suggestion, Tony (and Chelsea). Got my first FF camera for cheap---the Sony a7r. Throwback with the click-clack shutter and a plain ole kit lens. (I personally love the click-clack sound.) Great low-light photos vs my a6000. And y'all saved me $60 or so with your promo code when I got that and an awesome Sigma APSC lens for the a6000. Next will be saving up for a GM to throw on the a7r. And these reviews of the newer gear do indeed get me salivating. Still, one thing I've learned from you is that being partial only matters so much. All these cameras and great lenses are just that---GREAT! Even the older ones. Thanks again for your guidance and awesome vids once again sir!
Oh, the A7R was my very first full-frame camera, and I also was coming from an A6000 (and a NEX 5N before that). What a great step-up, huh? As long as you don't need good AF tho, ha ha. A really cool thing about starting with an A7R is that the price stays the same. You can buy one used for around $1000, and then sell it for the same price later down the line. That's what I did with mine. Then I got an A7RII, and the an A7RIII, but buying newer bodies isn't worth it economically, so it has to be worth it in other ways (for me, it was better AF and IQ, and then better battery, better menu and slightly better IQ). Anyway. Congrats on getting your first FF camera! And I hope that you're finding plenty of fun lenses to use it with. The A7R is particularly pleasant to use with vintage lenses.
My dude just weighed the Canon RF 70-200 WITH the body... It’s actually 1070 grams on its own, which makes it the lightest of the full-frame ones. Still a great video though
@@aceflibble yeah, but as cameras evolve, who is to say that future Canons will be heavier than future Sonys? Or Nikons? Tony said in a previous video that the Nikon Z9 is very close to the R5. An R5 without a vertical grip and lens will be lighter than the Z9 and lens. So I also don't quite understand the thinking here, fully.
Pentax is out of the market today. Their K-1 had an incapable autofocus. Their lenses are an outdated (yet overpriced) lens museum, with the somewhat OK-ish ones being just old Tamrons, re-badged as Pentax lenses. Because Tamron doesn't make future new DSLR lenses any more, there's nothing more for Pentax to re-badge in the future. An investment into Pentax would be an investment into a dead-end, into the past. Let's consider them dead.
Tony isn't just "saying" that. He proves it with results. It's not really Sony's nor Tony's fault, if a Sony lens trumps the competition by that much? 😉
yeah. He truely is - not an official one, ......but Sony most of the time wins in his reviews. Don't get me wrong, Sony produces great stuff and pushed DSLMs to where we are today. On the other hand, he use almost every chance to bash Nikon, to predict the death of Nikon and so on. Luckily, he couldn't do it in this review, because the Nikon lens is really that good (but too heavy), but I'm afraid he will try it again.....
@@mhsch5420 He publishes unbiased, accurate reviews. The reason the Nikon fanboys don't like him is the fact that all recent Nikon cameras have been way worse than the competition.
I was wondering how the Fuji will do with the 40mp XH2? Is it the lens or the body that made the difference? Thinking to get the 50-140 but really don’t want to carry that around and might get the 70-300 instead. I do like the F2.8 because I imagine myself taking photos of kids indoors as well as outdoors. And I like the shallow depth of field for these events.
The Fuji result doesn't surprise me if I'm being honest. I bought two copies of the 50-140mm and both were returned. I was very underwhelmed by both and was particularly disappointed with the sharpness with very notable softness at f2.8.
I really like this type of comparison. It's practical and makes a buying decision so much easier. Not every reviewer is able to get a hold of all these tools to make a video like this so i really appreciate you you made one.
I've used both. I prefer the A1/200-600 combo for birding. If your more onto general nature photography shooting closeups where MFD becomes important then you may prefer the R5/100-500. Rent them before buying
@@nrocha2466 I agree. To me, 500mm is just too short for birding plus is hard to beat that smooth and more importantly super short throw of the FE 200-600mm with it being an internal zoom. But, time has moved on, Nikon is bringing out some very interesting lenses. This Z 800mm f/6.3 PF is just something else. A handholdable prime without having to break the bank for Big White money? Only if the Z9's AF and tracking was better, I would migrate from Canon to Nikon in a heartbeat. Hopefully, the Z9 may improve with firmware updates. So, right now I am just sitting on the fence while I don't have an upgrade path within Canon.
I shot the Sony 70-200mm f2.8 GM (prior version) for a long time and it was sharper than the Nikon Z lens of the same specs. Just my individual results however. Also, I think a "winner" depends on how much of a priority you put on the different categories. For me personally, I appreciate and want sharpness more than the other considerations, thus I would rate the Canon #1. I can tell you that the Canon 100-500mm f2.8 RF IS USM is the sharpest lens in its class that Ive used. The wider lens mounts of Canon and Nikon I think will ultimately pan out to be a big advantage in the future development of lenses and IBIS technology. Thanks for the video!
I don't doubt there was significant copy variation with the old 70-200 2.8GM. I too had a very sharp copy of that lens, and have seen a friend's copy that was average at best. Lens lottery is a real thing
@@nrocha2466 Agree! I have in the last few months gone back to Sony full time and back to my trusty 70-200mm f/2.8 ver 1 GM lens. It is amazingly sharp and Im very happy with it. Every system has their +'s and -'s, you just have to figure out what is the most important to your shooting experience! :-)
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Sony output. Tony mentions more detail but to me it just looks over sharpened and more 'digital' that the other brands.
I tried canons rf 70-20 this weekend . Great image quality and fast af but you have to turn the zoom ring 200 turns and its not that smooth . Prefer my ef mark 2 any
BTW. It is immediately noticeable that Nikon renders the better, more complete images. It has nothing to do with the lens. But the Sony / Canon look is more artificial.
Anyone ever tried the Olympus 80-300 f2.8 (its 40-150 in m43)? You get an extra 100mm on the long end and a consistent f2.8 aperture (not as much depth of field as full frame but same light gathering). The lens doesn’t telescope either. I’ve used a lot of m43 lenses but never tried this one.
It's not the same light gathering. Crop factor 2 means that a 150f2.8 is equivalent to a 300f5.6 on a FF camera. Equivalent means same FOV, DOF and light gathering. The obvious cause for the difference in light gathering is the size of the front element. A bigger aperture collects more photons. Hence equivalent lenses have to have an identical front element diameter. Which is also why equivalent lenses on crop bodies are about as heavy as the FF equivalents.
@@daran0815 the light gathering of a f2.8 lens across different systems is the same. I have tested this. F 2.8 is an F 2.8. The only difference is depth of field but these sort of lenses do not have any issues with achieving shallow depth of field, even in M43.
@@billyblue689 This is plain wrong. The lens is a full frame 80-300 f/5.6 equivalent. He even mentions his other video explaining this exact issue. Go watch that before you keep arguing.
@@youknowwho9247 there seems to be some debate about this but from my trial and error experiments light gathering is the same across systems. Only depth of field changes.
@@billyblue689 There is no debate. This is a fact that everyone can test. Go shoot one frame on MFT at 25mm, f/2, 1/60 and ISO 400, then one on full frame at 50mm, f/4, 1/60, ISO 1600. They will have the same angle of view, depth of field and noise. qed
Actually, the Sony Alpha 1 is on back order and not available for most of the U.S. market. So, for most of us consumers, we can’t get one if there are none in stock. Thus, it doesn’t yet exist for me. The Canon R5 is also not in stock. I can only request a stock alert on the R5. The Fujifilm X-T4 is also not in stock. However, for a consumer, like myself, the Nikon Z7 II is in stock and available to ship from B& H Photo. For me, the only camera that actually exists is the Nikon Z7 II. Again, Nikon no longer has any competition. It’s the only brand I can buy and have it shipped out the same week. 😎
I cant believe its 2022 and you are still saying that the f stop equivalence has something to with “light gathering”. How many times have people pointed out to you that a 2.8 APSC lens is the same as 2.8 FF in terms of light BUT yes to get the same DOF you’d need to factor in the crop factor since you are 1) either standing further away at the same focal length OR you are using a smaller focal lens (e.g. 50mm instead of 75mm) and standing in the same spot. C’mon man.
Nikon wins for the best value based on the price and performance comparison to me. Also internal zoom is much more professional for lenses in this price category. And you hate Nikon because it's Nikon and not Sony or Canon?
R3 actually exists. Just not in every hand =) We all know Mr. Cable shot pre-production model at Olympics and told evetything about it, but Fro just showed us pictures from the production model.
I'm still wrapping my head around whether zooming to 400% (fairy dust results) and comparing 24 MP against 50 MP is even fair. I'd be more convinced to see a 100% zoom of equal size .jpg files from each camera.
THIS!!!!
@@vegaryfoss179 You see this for example at 6:13. That is a noticable difference side by side. Like Tony also states, most people wouldn't have anything to complain about the Fuji output and certainly not when you don't have the identical Sony result next to it. But it is not that you can't make great pictures with the Fuji setup, it is trying to compare different lenses. Also, of course you get only f/4 full frame background blur, but that is just part of the crop sensor setup (a big plus for landscape photography where you want a large depth of field without tiny aperture)
I mean, that's the point... Should he have left the Fuji out because it's not 45MP? I'm sure youd be singing a different song if it ranked higher in the comparison. I personally would much rather see the honest results and be aware of the caveats than have to continue to imagine how Fuji compares to "pro" camera systems because it wasn't part of the shootout purely on the basis that it's not full frame.
Tony called all of those things out in this comparison. He also praised the Fuji for what it brings to the table and qualified all of his statements.
Not to mention this is all relative anyway. You're watching this on RUclips...
Well then pretend it isn't in the test. It's an APS-C camera and honestly doesn't belong with the others just for that fact alone, irrespective of megapixels.
I'm very glad the X-T4 and 50-140/2.8 were included, because I've shot with that exact setup, and I loved it. The fact that the others are better means that any of the four would make me happy. As a Canon shooter now, I'm considering picking up the RF 70-200 because my time with Fujifilm assured me that the 'equivalent f/4' looked great to me.
Focus breathing (not focal length breathing) is not considered in your testing. All Nikon Z lenses are made considering minimum focus breathing for Hybrid videographers. This makes some of Nikkor glass heavier than their counterparts.
Apparently the new Sony has also minimum focus breathing and is still lighter.
Which is a good reason not to buy into the Z system - adding a video feature by making glass heavier is a terrible trade off, especially considering that no client will care about focus breathing, ever.
The Nikon Z9 does not have an OLPF.
One more thing the Nikon, Fuji and Sony lens can do the Canon can't is take Teleconverters, sure its a minor thing for some buyers but sometimes its nice to get a little extra reach without having to bring along another lens.
Try out cropping instead of tele-conversation.
+ Sharper
+ Faster due to the f stop you have to multiply the tele-conversation with
+ Cheaper 😜 Crop = free
Tele-conversation = to expensive
@@constantinaichele5357 That might apply more for higher res bodies but 24mp FF bodies like the A7III where you have less megapixels to crop with I feel that the TC still has merit but to each their own.
@@constantinaichele5357 do you realize you can also crop after Tele-conversion? That gives you more reach.
It's not minor. With a 1.4x TC, these lenses retain really good image quality and make a really useful 280/f4. With 2x may be not so good.
@@constantinaichele5357 not advisable with the r6. Just not enough detail available for cropping.
You can control the aperture with the Nikon lens as well. Also the display is clearly a PLUS, how can it not be ?? Even if you can't see it, the rest of us can and find good use of it. We can even use it to actually see the optimal Dof (hyperfocal distance) in that display.
I find it very strange that you are not able to actually point out the advantages of each lens, but still feel you have the right to point out a "winner". It's just sad :(
that's Tony - he just doesn't want to see it
How is a digital display better than an actual physical aperture ring with a scale?
@@youknowwho9247 I think it's all BS anyway. Turning a ring on the lens or spinning a dial which is always at your fingertips is neither here nor there. It's not the film days now, so who cares about a physical aperture ring? The Fuji top dials are the slowest controls to access and totally useless if you shoot in scenarios where you're constantly changing aperture/shutter speed/ISO quickly while grabbing a moving subject.
Nikon did awesome considering the Nikon setup you have there is like $4k cheaper.
Also $400 less price than Sony and Canon.
Most of the price difference comes from the body though, and the Z7 II isn't nearly as good a camera as the R5, let alone the a1.
@@youknowwho9247 Z7 II is the best landscape mirror less camera than R5 and A1, it might not have R5 like AF but A1 is totally different class. How can you compare.
@@souvik8335 How is the Z7 II a better landscape camera than the R5? They offer the same resolution and produce essentially identical images. Camera bodies don't matter for landscapes. Even an old D800E or a7R II would work just as well.
@@youknowwho9247 Better DR and awesome pinpoint AF. I’m not arguing one is better, but there are benefits that help in the field.
0:52 the Z9 does not have an OLPF and we do not know if it has worse image quality than the Z7II, the Z9 sensor has a piece of glass in front of it with a protective and antiglare coating, this is to increase durability and possibly image quality, but it is not an OLPF.
Ok we’ll test it soon.
I’m not a professional photographer by any means, but as a wildlife biologist I really want Canon to make RF 70-200s with internal zoom. Taking telescoping zoom lenses in the field is not ideal for me (I study crocodiles so lots of water, mud, dirt, and dust)
it's a weather resistant lense
@Photo Bunny I have the Canon 100-400 as well & it’s a fantastic lens with great IQ, this is just my personal preference. If I had the option of internal zoom vs telescoping zoom I’d take internal every time
Then just get the Sony setup, it has exactly what you’re asking for and the Sony A1 is a better photo camera than the R5. Since you’re a wildlife biologist, I think you will benefit from the higher raw shooting speeds and faster sensor readout of the A1. Also there’s no overheating in video which also helps, overall the Sony setup seems better to me
@@lnz971 A lens with external zooming is never as weather resistant as a lens with internal zooming.
Tony… how about a follow up video on the Z9. You need to create an ‘I was wrong’ video focusing on the 120 fps claim when you insisted that this would be without AF. I think it’ll be taken positively by your viewers. Take care
Maybe it will be a 'Breaking News' dramatic removing of specs and hard background track video :o) "Nikon have added autofocus to the 120fps shooting mode" :o)
Isn't the Z9 120fps with like 8MP jpegs? I don't think that's worth a retraction.
@Photo Bunny I don't disagree that some people will find it usable, but saying it's "more than enough" is subjective and I think it's a pretty big asterix to put on a pre-release marketing claim, so I still don't think Tony owes anyone a retraction
Uhhh.. you mean like when they do a full review, as opposed to the “I don’t have this and it’s being released tomorrow here’s my best guess” video? Goodness, you can’t actually be that aggrieved by what one guy speculated about a camera in a video one time. Can you?
Imagine being petty enough to demand an apology for an incorrect *guess* someone made. 😀
The Z9 does not have an OLPF
He doesn't care, he just wants to say it
He is mad as Nikon didn’t send him z9 😂
He couldn't care less about facts
The Nikkor Z 70-200 might be big but the image quality makes it worth it.
Also $400 less price than Sony and Canon.
@@souvik8335 And the Canon wannabe cant even take a Tele convertor
@@Mr09260 Unless shooting with the $8,000+ highest end lenses, teleconverters don't get better image quality than cropping and enlarging in post, and you lose light using a TC.
@@longliveclassicmusic That is only the case with high resolution sensors. When shooting with something like the R6, R3, Z9, A9, etc. a 1.4x teleconverter on a good quality 70-200 always gives better results compared to cropping.
@@TechnoBabble I strongly disagree with this. I've done endless testing in this particular matter and no Nikon F-mount lens is worth putting a TC on over cropping in post.
I love my canon gear but wow...good job Sony. That 70-200 is crazy good, and the contrast/flare test really blew me away.
Ideal if you want to take a lot of pictures like that.
I wish the testing was more thorough. Other sites say the Sony 70-200 is a weak performer with backlight. One picture at one focal length doesn’t tell us anything.
@@livejames9374 is that the new or the old Sony though?
@@KidLexDC : He did say Mark II; 1gen was crappy.
Canon is still better in the longer (above 200mm) focal ranges than Sony
The Z9 also does not have an OLPF according to Nikon.
Oh you and your facts!
Yep, it's a filter with a dust resistant antistatic coating, not an olpf
The Nikon Z9 does not have an OLPF
Pretty sure the Z9 doesn't have an OLPF..
The Z9 does not have a OLPF. One of many things incorrectly assumed in your Z9 video.
What's that?
What he meant by the R3 doesn't exist yet?
@@njrtech z9 and a1 resolution is so close any sharpness differences would be lens dependent. So whatever Sony or Nikon lens is sharper will have sharper files with those cameras.
So basically the lenses of the big FF ecosystems are close enought together that they don't really affect which system you choose.
The Focus breathing can be a make or break, depending on how you use your lens.
@@tqlla the sony is 1:4 ratio but even my old 70-200VR1 Nikon lens on my D800 is 1:6 ratio. The newer VR2 and newer lens is 1:8 ratio. My D800 and lens cost a little over $1100 on the used market with
Image quality between them is very close, size and weight are not. I'd take the Canon over the others any day.
Man, I see so many salty people in the comments you guys amused me. The real message here is simple, there is no true winner. It's only what you prefer to invest your money in.If you bought one of the 3 latest full frame 70-200 2.8, you can be rest assured you are not getting anything less than the greatest as of this date. In fact, most modern lenses released in the last 10-20 years are not that far behind for anyone to produce high quality products for their business. So there is really no need to argue whether yours' the best or not. I'm no longer into 70-200 zooms since I found out that I rather use a prime for evertthing a 70-200 2.8 could do, and accomplish it with a 100-400. It's great to see Sony adding nicely to drive up the competition. Everything we have today, the Z9,R3,R5/R6, RF mount, Z mount can all be indirectly thanks to sony.
The winner is definitely Sony
Exactly @jamesjin ! Companies do what they do inorder to stay in business and pay their employees. That doesn't mean we have to always want the latest and greatest. I'd go on a limb and say that maybe 80% of all users of these gear (me included) aren't using them to their full potential. Ergo, gear doesn't matter. I understand this video had a purpose, but its just another set of parameters to educate oneself on and not get salty here. Oh well. There will always be some of those online.
@@JoaquimGonsalves Gear matters
There's a huge benefit to the compact size of the lens! At Dodgers Stadium (baseball for the non-baseball people), they have a max 6" lens limit. Normally, that would limit you to 85 mm and smaller. But the RF 70-200 is only 5.75 inches because it retracts. So you can get a 200mm game into Dodgers Stadium without a press credential! And by the time you get by security, it doesn't matter that you can extend it to 200 mm and take some amazing shots! Try to get any of the other 70-200 lenses into Dodgers Stadium and they'll make you trek all the way back to your car to leave the gear.
It would be interesting to see how the Olympus 40-150mm f2.8 compares, especially to the Fuji.
That's an 80-300mm f/5.6 equivalent. It's way below the league of lenses he tested here.
@@youknowwho9247 Agreed but it would still be interesting to see how it compares
@@youknowwho9247 then the Fuji is also not directly in the same league…
By the way, you can adapt all these lenses to the Nikon, but you can't adapt any of the others to each other. So you can buy an autofocus sony E to Nikon Z adapter and use that G master on a Z9.
I have that adapter and it is terrible
@@TonyAndChelsea haha, as in the AF is terrible?
Did Nikon let you get hands on with Z9 yet after that abysmal misleading pre release video you posted?
just one question: have you shot the nikon at 200mm or 70mm for the macro shots? afaik its better at 70mm because the minimun focus distance is under 0.5m at 70mm compared to about 1m at 200mm.
I've used the Nikon 200-500 for closeup shots. Great for chasing butterflies and dragonflies. You don't have to get real close.
I just got the 70-200 Z lens and have not used it much. From the few pictures I have taken, I love the lens.
It is a completely useless test. He is testing a zoom lens without taking snapshots at multiple focal lengths. He has not mentioned the focal length in several of his slides.
@@arpitkumargahlot its the northrups, what do you expect.
Haven't watched the video, but I'm confident that Sony will win. Sony always wins here
@@Chopper153 Who cares?
Push - pull zoom means different, it was for lens where you actually had to push and pull the rings to zoom, not rotating.
Sony A1 is a better over all camera than the Canon R5. The price is obvious in a different league.
Best overall means everything, including the price!
One thing you didn't touch on was video - Nikon have been clear that they have built their lenses for the Z to be true hybrids and are bigger to ensure they are premium for video as well as stills (0 chromatic aberration etc). I have 0 idea how well the other lenses do for this but that's my understanding on why Nikon haven't gone smaller/lighter. To be honest all 3 of the full frame lenses look like they will do a great job if you are in that system which is a win for consumers everywhere
that is marketing BS to explain why theirs are bigger. They seem to have worse AF performance
Sony E-Mount was designed for the cinema line-up as well so most of their lenses are silent and fast. Especially now. Like you, I don't know where they all stand at, but the focus breathing area would be important for those who are doing video. The Sony and Nikon did well in that regard.
Not really sure the point of this video. If I own one system, I am staying with it, not changing brands because some youtuber says another brand is a little better.
What if I don't own any mirrorless system yet?
Obviously, all the full frame zooms here are fantastic. I'm really glad to see Sony's latest efforts, though. Their 35mm f/1.4 GM is the first Sony prime I've used (and now own) that is really up there with what I like best about recent primes from, say, Zeiss and Leica. It has contrast, character, and mostly depth. I've looked at a lot of other's posted photos from this Sony 70 - 200, and I see some of the same. The Sony looks like a brakethrough design to me, and probably all that you could ever want or need for either the A1 or the A7-R IV. Thanks for this review.
The focus breathing on the 35 though... We need the breathing comp on all the Sony bodies now.
I love my 35mm GM, too! So glad I got one!
Bro what fuji lens you shooting with? That comparison looked out of focus. My 50-140 for Fuji is hella sharp! I think you all hate on Fuji.
Yeah, I think his copy might be a bit decentered or something. Still, the rest of the lenses blow the Fuji out of the water lol.
He hates on Fuji all the time ---
@@Schaneification He had a whole video talking about how much he liked Fujifilm's ergonomics and style. I had an X-T1 before and I loved the feel of the camera and the colors it produced.
Have you compared it to these other cameras & lenses? This is what it looks like.
That lens is old compared to the other 3, it make a lot of sense to me. (im an XT4 owner btw). Also remember that the other kits are worth up to 2-3 times as much as the Fuji.
All the ads in these videos are getting a little crazy. I can’t watch Tony’s Chanel anymore
I love my Fuji zoom and wouldn’t know the difference if I hadn’t watched this video. And to pay double pretty much on top of an expensive body like the Sony-It gets overwhelming. I am happy with the Fuji but still appreciate all your reviews.
Sensor size does not effect aperture!! - ask an expert...
I would much prefer the internal focusing at the expense of a longer lens.
The Canon is not push-pull but is external focusing.
Focus breathing is more of a problem for video shooters.
what?😂 no it affects the framing, you need wider mm to get the same framing which affects compression :) he never says its push-pull focusing, go somewhere else with your baseless nitpicking.
Fujifilm in fact has a high megapixel flagship camera: It’s called „GFX 100s“.
🤠👏🏽
he’s talking about x mount
The GFX isn't really a flag ship camera. It's solid for single shot stills, and that's it. Flagship cameras are usually the accumulation of the best of the best that that company has to offer.
Panasonic has a 70-200mm f2.8 L-mount lens as well as a 70-200 f4 L-mount lens, both of which work with all of Panasonic's "S" cameras (S1, S1R, S1H, S5), but Panasonic is rarely included in your comparisons. I have to wonder why.
You could probably count on one hand the number of Panasonic full frame owners.
@@sexysilversurfer So? Northrup's whole deal is keeping people informed. It looks more like marketing when the "best sellers" are the always the focus. Innovation never comes from the top dogs. Baaa
really nice video als alsways, but where is the 70-200 from panasonic
I’d be interested to see an Olympus EM1m2 with Panasonic 35-100mm added to this comparison out of curiosity!
There's also the Olympus 40-150
@ Tyler Chamberlain : only if you want to be disappointed.
@@TheKentaurion what makes you think I’d be disappointed? I know there are trade offs with m4/3, but the combo I recommended has some of the traits Tony praised in the other systems. Don’t know the results until you run the experiment 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t have the money or connections to gather all the equipment Tony has there so I was hoping he’d throw curious m4/3 users a bone.
@@tycham85 m43 isn't really relevant in 2021 anymore. APS-C matched it speed, feature and size wise, and beat it fair and square value wise.
@@proksalevente I agree that larger sensored systems have become very competitive with a lot of the features that initially differentiated m4/3, but I am still curious. Remember, this video is more about how the workhorse 70-200mm lens works with the system rather than a sensor debate. Tony compared size/length (Panasonic is fairly small and internally focuses), sharpness (the Panasonic is quite sharp in my photos, but I want Tony's input), contrast (I'd like to see this compared in the same studio setup), bokeh (not great separation due to sensor size, but is quality good?), focus breathing and magnification (I'd like to see this evaluated) and starburst/highlight capability (guess I could go shoot in the sun...haha). Again, if I had the money, equipment or RUclips channel to perform the comparison, I would love to, but that's why I asked Tony if he could do it.
One thing worth mentioning is Sony, Nikon and Fuji all can be used with teleconverters but Canon RF cannot be used any teleconverters.
Teleconverters are a total waste of money.
Fuji should be comapred with APS-C sensor cameras of this brands. :) A6600, M6, Z50 :) And better comparison for those FF were GFX 50 SII with GF lenses.
Possibly, but the comparison was supposed to be more focused on the lenses. The GFX system doesn't really have a 70-200mm f2.8. The 100-200mm f5.6 is more like a 79-158mm f4.4
GFX has pretty much the same sensor size as FF (the horizontal crop factor between those is only 1.2). So yes, GFX should be compared to FF (and not to "real" digital medium format, which has much larger sensors).
On the other hand, GFX has no lenses which come close to typical FF lenses' application areas.
For example, there is nothing like a GF 85-240mm F3.4, which would have been required to reach (or compete with) FF 70-200 F2.8 (in equivalence terms, applying the 1.2 crop factor for equivalence).
I knew the new Sony was good and previously thought it probably matched the RF and Z mount versions but in this comparison its the clear winner for me. Makes me want one ever more now for my A7RIV.
Fuji still gathers the same amount of light as the others. Depth of field, however, IS equivalent to F4.2.
Nothing here of any use other than from a curiosity perspective. No one would base any choice among these system based on any slight difference between these lenses. .
🙋♂️ Nikon will start shipping out Z9 as early as 11/30. If it’s true, then Nikon certainly has no competition.
According to B&H they will start shipping on 12 December. I ordered mine within minutes of the Z9 being released and hope you are right but having read so much garbage about the Z9 I will trust the B&H date.
The a1 is an overall better camera and has been shipping for months...
Another thing worth mentioning is that you didn’t include the D850 and the legendary Nikkor 70-200 f2.8 lens.
Hand-holding a 70-200 f/2.8 can wear you out? Then why do you use full frame cameras at all?
The Nikon does have a multifunction programmable ring just like the Canon, except it has the oled panel that can show aperture. Not sure how you missed that?
I dislike these comparison videos because I have spent a lot of money on my Nikon gear, so I'm not really interested in what Sony or Canon are up to.
Sony and Canon are excellent camera and lens manufacturers but in reality how much gear can a guy have?
These comparisons are meaningless because they don't reflect real world use. I've learned never to trust Utube reviews anyway.
Counterpoint; I'm shopping for my very first camera and don't know where to start, and these are immensely helpful.
@@lh3540 added point: you should research more than basing your decision from one channel. There are plenty of reviewers out there. Most of them have biases or affiliated with certain brands. So, collect all the pros and cons from their reviews.
@@lh3540 well also if one is starting with this channel for recommendations then they are doomed..
@@lh3540 If you are shopping for your first camera, these lenses are probably not for you, except maybe for the Fuji (no offense).
I'm curious how the Fuji 50-140mm would score with the new 40 megapixel sensor cameras.
Why include the APS-C Fuji, but not the full-frame Panasonic S1R and S 70-200 f2.8?
It would appear this video is old. Not sure why he didn't compare the medium format Fuji with the full frame offerings from Nikon, Canon and Sony. Would have been interesting to see a medium format camera would compare.
Lens design has basically come to the point that the year the lens first came out determines how good it is. Younger by one year could be visibly better in some way. People used to say that cameras are for now and lenses are for the long term. Not any longer.
Yes to some extent that does seem to be true but why? Is it that competition drives R&D improvement or is it access to better tech - improvement in coatings etc?
Sony Mk2 is certainly a good improvement over original and probably best here. Yet surely physics is physics and there is a limit to how much of an improvement can be made?
i disagree. My canon Ef 100-400 from 2000 ist still amazing.
So, let me get this straight. Portraits produced by the Fuji are perfectly fine unless you are pixel peeping and the lens can be picked up used in excellent condition for a third of the cost of the Sony, half the cost of the Nikon and 40% cheaper than the Canon, but.... What, again, was the point of ranking these lenses?
Good test but I have doubts in the contrast part, the real focus length is obvious different, and it will induce different strong light interference, make the test result totally different, u can see the canon is short focus length, more ambient strong light will come in, maybe u can try to equal the focus length and test again in contrast part.
Don't doubt it's ability to maintain contrast... It's easily the most impressive 70-200 I've shot with. It's sharpness and contrast are impeccable. The mk Ii represents a new level of IQ from a zoom
That sony is impressive but damn, it costs twice as much as the Fuji lens.
The Fuji lens should not even be in that comparison, it should be compared with a 70-400 f/4 FF lens.
You gonna have to buy your own z9 lol
The Z9 doesn't exist yet but the Sony 70-200 GM II exists when it doesn't ship until December?
This was recorded last month, prior to the Z9 launch.
@@TonyAndChelsea ahhh that makes sense. Thanks y’all!
@@TonyAndChelsea and now it's out of date. So why are you publishing it with incorrect information?
@@WIDGI Just to annoy you.
@@smaakjeks I'm beginning to think this is a parody account where the only one who gets the joke is Tony!
I think in the sony backlight test, it looks like more of the light is blocked by the head, while more of it is peaking out on the others. Was the position a little different from camera to camera, because it looks that way in the images.
It is really important to be careful about the camera placement which is why I lock everything onto a heavy tight tripod.
@@TonyAndChelsea but the lenses are different lengths. Ensuring the tripod is the same distance from the subject doesn't guarantee that the shots are identical, does it?
It is a lazy test, that's all. Though in general, newer Sony G master lenses have excellent flare control.
Thank you! This helps as I'm considering changing brands (because the Alpha 1 is just so danged expensive (vs. R5)).
If you used Lightroom for all 3 cameras to develop the raw photos, for sure the Fuji lens pictures will be the worse. If you had used Capture One, your final results might have been different? Just wondering.
I would love to see you test the Sony lens on some older Sony bodies.
I prefer internal zoom capabilities like on the Nikon. Fits much better for a professional lens being more robust against dust, moisture and sand flying around in the air.
The Z9 doesn't exist? Lots of folks have gotten their hands on one.
from where? only reviewers got it. where can i go and get it right now?
@@truthseeker6804 Tony and Chelsea are reviewers. Jared Polin, Matt Granger, DPReview and others also not affiliated with Nikon have done extensive testing with the camera.
@@lsaideOKthat's irrelevant, if I can't get it, then it doesn't exist for sale, yet. Therefore any review of a non attainable product is irrelevant.
@@truthseeker6804 Hardly. It is real. It exists. It is available for pre-order. Its existence affects the buying decisions of many people. You may not be interested in seeing reviews but lots of folks are including me. It would be great to see how this z lens preforms on the flagship just as Sony's was tested on their flagship. Apples to apples. I would enjoy seeing Tony and Chelsea test the camera.
@@lsaideOK how is hr going to review of something that he doesn't have?. When it's actually attainable and he gets it and makes a review i would watch it. I agree I would like to see it compared to others when it can be gotten.
Why you don't review Nikon Z9 ? Don't even mention until now..
I'm glad that you did a comparison of this type of lens. It's a critical one for any camera system. But this comparison is far too short to adequately cover all the things these lenses are capable of and used for. Please make a part 2. 🙂
Don't doubt the results at all. Bear in mind most of the examples are viewed at magnifications that no-one will ever look at images at. It's obsessing over unnecessary detail in my opinnion. The real questions is 'how good, is good enough?'.....if you're not printing billboards, most of this is irrelevant. I'm betting most people watching this channel are enthusiasts who haven't realised that 95% of what makes great images has nothing to do with corner image sharpness. If you have an unlimited bank account - there are fantastic products out there. Go for it.
The Canon EF 70-200 f2.8 iii might be better if you prefer internal zooming lenses and don't mind a bit heavier lens. You could also potentially use the variable ND EF/RF adaptor if you do a lot of video.
@@njrtech How do you adapt the Sony lens to the Canon then?
Reason 1 to not buy an Apsc versus an FF : 2m59 😅
Z9 dont exist yet? hmmm every youTuber reviewed what happened to you ?
He is going crazy since Nikon has introduced the Beast now … z9 rocks
Does Tony have a back problem or something?
The Fujifilm XF50-140mmF2.8 is sharper (higher resolution) than the X-T4 image sensor. (The lens is also on the compatible list for the new 40 MP sensor). From my own experience, I get digitisation before lens blur. It's a brilliant lens. Yet you make it look like a wretched el cheapo crap blurry lens. WHAT'S YOU'RE GAME.? Except for Chelsea's X100 camera reviews, of the comparison videos I've seen of yours, you always appear to coordinate comparison reviews to put Fujifilm in a miserable light. Are you a misguided fan boy or are you being paid off (presumably by Sony)? Hell, your MAIN points on the Fujifilm X-H1 for your X-H2 prediction video, were embarrassingly erroneous. All you had to do was do a quick Google check. What's your game? I wouldn't care, I would just not watch your channel (which I mostly don't now I'm wiser), but a lot of people will get influenced by you.
Huhu, before even watching the video I wonder how the Fuji lens even fits into that crowd of full frame glass.
Great vid as always! I know there's only 10 of us but would be nice if you had compared the Panasonic 70-200. Been lots of great upgrades recently including an extra stop of image stabilisation in the 70-200 lenses. 🙂
Would probably be better if he compared Panasonic instead of Fuji, just to keep things full frame.
Just shot with the Panasonic 70-200 f2.8 last weekend. Handily outweighs these other lenses, and seemed super heavy at first, but I got used to it, even with the collar removed and going handheld. Stabilization is surprisingly good, which makes the MF focus clutch all the more useful. Now I just need to save so I can buy one for myself!
me too I was asking myself why many youtuber skip such a great camera system (body and lenses)
Maybe a video with the smaller brands (Olympus, Pentax, Panasonic)
I'm tired of hearing about these four
I feel like the contrast test is super super sensitive to the exact position of that backlight. Ie my hypothesis is that if the light is even a single pixel closer to the eye, due to the cameras being in slightly different positions, then the contrast loss will be drastically different.
Of course I haven’t set it all up to test but that’s how my experience with loss of contrast that results from harsh backlighting.
I recently went through KEH via your suggestion, Tony (and Chelsea). Got my first FF camera for cheap---the Sony a7r. Throwback with the click-clack shutter and a plain ole kit lens. (I personally love the click-clack sound.) Great low-light photos vs my a6000. And y'all saved me $60 or so with your promo code when I got that and an awesome Sigma APSC lens for the a6000. Next will be saving up for a GM to throw on the a7r. And these reviews of the newer gear do indeed get me salivating. Still, one thing I've learned from you is that being partial only matters so much. All these cameras and great lenses are just that---GREAT! Even the older ones. Thanks again for your guidance and awesome vids once again sir!
Oh, the A7R was my very first full-frame camera, and I also was coming from an A6000 (and a NEX 5N before that). What a great step-up, huh? As long as you don't need good AF tho, ha ha. A really cool thing about starting with an A7R is that the price stays the same. You can buy one used for around $1000, and then sell it for the same price later down the line. That's what I did with mine. Then I got an A7RII, and the an A7RIII, but buying newer bodies isn't worth it economically, so it has to be worth it in other ways (for me, it was better AF and IQ, and then better battery, better menu and slightly better IQ).
Anyway. Congrats on getting your first FF camera! And I hope that you're finding plenty of fun lenses to use it with. The A7R is particularly pleasant to use with vintage lenses.
My dude just weighed the Canon RF 70-200 WITH the body... It’s actually 1070 grams on its own, which makes it the lightest of the full-frame ones.
Still a great video though
Yeah I weighed them all with the bodies. I mean, you gotta use a body on the lens, right?
You're right, but if I would want to compare systems, weighing the body as well adds another variable which might lead to a bias in the evaluation.
@@TonyAndChelsea but you don't have to use them with the bodies you chose!
The sony is just 1045g, so the Canon isn't the lightest FF one. It comes in as a close second
@@aceflibble yeah, but as cameras evolve, who is to say that future Canons will be heavier than future Sonys? Or Nikons? Tony said in a previous video that the Nikon Z9 is very close to the R5. An R5 without a vertical grip and lens will be lighter than the Z9 and lens. So I also don't quite understand the thinking here, fully.
I'd love to see a flagship 50mm showdown! My 50mm 1.2S for Nikon is a beast, but I'd love to see how it stacks up!
Manny Ortiz has that comparison on his channel. If I remember right, his ranking at the end is 1) Sony, 2) Canon, 3) Nikon.
Why is Pentax never being compared? They have full frame cameras and great lens.
Pentax is out of the market today. Their K-1 had an incapable autofocus. Their lenses are an outdated (yet overpriced) lens museum, with the somewhat OK-ish ones being just old Tamrons, re-badged as Pentax lenses. Because Tamron doesn't make future new DSLR lenses any more, there's nothing more for Pentax to re-badge in the future.
An investment into Pentax would be an investment into a dead-end, into the past. Let's consider them dead.
I expected him to say that Sony is the winner. Tony is a faithful Sony ambassador.
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Tony isn't just "saying" that. He proves it with results. It's not really Sony's nor Tony's fault, if a Sony lens trumps the competition by that much? 😉
yeah. He truely is - not an official one, ......but Sony most of the time wins in his reviews. Don't get me wrong, Sony produces great stuff and pushed DSLMs to where we are today. On the other hand, he use almost every chance to bash Nikon, to predict the death of Nikon and so on. Luckily, he couldn't do it in this review, because the Nikon lens is really that good (but too heavy), but I'm afraid he will try it again.....
@@mhsch5420 He publishes unbiased, accurate reviews. The reason the Nikon fanboys don't like him is the fact that all recent Nikon cameras have been way worse than the competition.
@@youknowwho9247 ".....unbiased, accurate reviews...", sure Tony!
I was wondering how the Fuji will do with the 40mp XH2? Is it the lens or the body that made the difference?
Thinking to get the 50-140 but really don’t want to carry that around and might get the 70-300 instead. I do like the F2.8 because I imagine myself taking photos of kids indoors as well as outdoors. And I like the shallow depth of field for these events.
The Fuji result doesn't surprise me if I'm being honest. I bought two copies of the 50-140mm and both were returned. I was very underwhelmed by both and was particularly disappointed with the sharpness with very notable softness at f2.8.
“DoEsN’t EXiSt YeT”, but tests Sony 70-200GM II that will only release in December. 😂
Why not test GFX50 and GF 100-200mm... Testing APSC lens vs FF lenses is kinda pointless... Not to mention that Fuji lens is old as hell...
I really like this type of comparison. It's practical and makes a buying decision so much easier. Not every reviewer is able to get a hold of all these tools to make a video like this so i really appreciate you you made one.
Great vid! It would be great if you could do an update superzoom shootout, say between the A1/FE 200-600mm vs the R5/RF 100-500mm.
I've used both. I prefer the A1/200-600 combo for birding. If your more onto general nature photography shooting closeups where MFD becomes important then you may prefer the R5/100-500. Rent them before buying
@@nrocha2466 I agree. To me, 500mm is just too short for birding plus is hard to beat that smooth and more importantly super short throw of the FE 200-600mm with it being an internal zoom. But, time has moved on, Nikon is bringing out some very interesting lenses. This Z 800mm f/6.3 PF is just something else. A handholdable prime without having to break the bank for Big White money? Only if the Z9's AF and tracking was better, I would migrate from Canon to Nikon in a heartbeat. Hopefully, the Z9 may improve with firmware updates. So, right now I am just sitting on the fence while I don't have an upgrade path within Canon.
I shot the Sony 70-200mm f2.8 GM (prior version) for a long time and it was sharper than the Nikon Z lens of the same specs. Just my individual results however. Also, I think a "winner" depends on how much of a priority you put on the different categories. For me personally, I appreciate and want sharpness more than the other considerations, thus I would rate the Canon #1. I can tell you that the Canon 100-500mm f2.8 RF IS USM is the sharpest lens in its class that Ive used. The wider lens mounts of Canon and Nikon I think will ultimately pan out to be a big advantage in the future development of lenses and IBIS technology. Thanks for the video!
I don't doubt there was significant copy variation with the old 70-200 2.8GM. I too had a very sharp copy of that lens, and have seen a friend's copy that was average at best. Lens lottery is a real thing
@@nrocha2466 Agree! I have in the last few months gone back to Sony full time and back to my trusty 70-200mm f/2.8 ver 1 GM lens. It is amazingly sharp and Im very happy with it. Every system has their +'s and -'s, you just have to figure out what is the most important to your shooting experience! :-)
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Sony output. Tony mentions more detail but to me it just looks over sharpened and more 'digital' that the other brands.
how will a smaller sensor affect the lens from gathering light?
I tried canons rf 70-20 this weekend . Great image quality and fast af but you have to turn the zoom ring 200 turns and its not that smooth . Prefer my ef mark 2 any
BTW. It is immediately noticeable that Nikon renders the better, more complete images. It has nothing to do with the lens. But the Sony / Canon look is more artificial.
That's total bs. You couldn't tell which lens was which based on colour in a blind test. This whole colour science nonsense is nothing but marketing.
Thank you so much, this is very helpfull. I am new to photography, however I plan on starting for my startup business.
When will come out the 24-70 edition?
Also I would love to see with 3rd party lenses.....
Anyone ever tried the Olympus 80-300 f2.8 (its 40-150 in m43)? You get an extra 100mm on the long end and a consistent f2.8 aperture (not as much depth of field as full frame but same light gathering). The lens doesn’t telescope either. I’ve used a lot of m43 lenses but never tried this one.
It's not the same light gathering. Crop factor 2 means that a 150f2.8 is equivalent to a 300f5.6 on a FF camera. Equivalent means same FOV, DOF and light gathering. The obvious cause for the difference in light gathering is the size of the front element. A bigger aperture collects more photons. Hence equivalent lenses have to have an identical front element diameter. Which is also why equivalent lenses on crop bodies are about as heavy as the FF equivalents.
@@daran0815 the light gathering of a f2.8 lens across different systems is the same. I have tested this. F 2.8 is an F 2.8. The only difference is depth of field but these sort of lenses do not have any issues with achieving shallow depth of field, even in M43.
@@billyblue689 This is plain wrong. The lens is a full frame 80-300 f/5.6 equivalent. He even mentions his other video explaining this exact issue. Go watch that before you keep arguing.
@@youknowwho9247 there seems to be some debate about this but from my trial and error experiments light gathering is the same across systems. Only depth of field changes.
@@billyblue689 There is no debate. This is a fact that everyone can test. Go shoot one frame on MFT at 25mm, f/2, 1/60 and ISO 400, then one on full frame at 50mm, f/4, 1/60, ISO 1600. They will have the same angle of view, depth of field and noise. qed
Actually, the Sony Alpha 1 is on back order and not available for most of the U.S. market. So, for most of us consumers, we can’t get one if there are none in stock. Thus, it doesn’t yet exist for me. The Canon R5 is also not in stock. I can only request a stock alert on the R5. The Fujifilm X-T4 is also not in stock. However, for a consumer, like myself, the Nikon Z7 II is in stock and available to ship from B& H Photo. For me, the only camera that actually exists is the Nikon Z7 II. Again, Nikon no longer has any competition. It’s the only brand I can buy and have it shipped out the same week. 😎
I cant believe its 2022 and you are still saying that the f stop equivalence has something to with “light gathering”. How many times have people pointed out to you that a 2.8 APSC lens is the same as 2.8 FF in terms of light BUT yes to get the same DOF you’d need to factor in the crop factor since you are 1) either standing further away at the same focal length OR you are using a smaller focal lens (e.g. 50mm instead of 75mm) and standing in the same spot. C’mon man.
@8:58 - Cries in FujiFilm GFX100S
There is a huge difference between the colors of the Nikon and the Sony. Which one is accurate? Are these pictures from RAW or jpeg?
Your 50-140 has oil on it man, i recently compared mine against Z7ii with 70-200 and apart from the MPX count there wasn't much difference
Nikon wins for the best value based on the price and performance comparison to me. Also internal zoom is much more professional for lenses in this price category. And you hate Nikon because it's Nikon and not Sony or Canon?
he seems to be a Nikon hater, but of course will never admit it
R3 actually exists. Just not in every hand =) We all know Mr. Cable shot pre-production model at Olympics and told evetything about it, but Fro just showed us pictures from the production model.
Fuji gfx 100-200 may stand up better in this test + price comparison.ok not a 70-200.
Kind of, but that isn't a 70-200 f2.8 lens in any way. Its a 49-158mm f5.6 (or f4.4 DoF)
Might you all be able to test the new 3.40 firmware nikon update to see how the 1st gen Z6/7 new auto focus updates compare to the Z6ii/7ii?