Yup, this is an amazing tool. Only reason its not my edc is I like the look of a more trad looking knife but id be lying if it wasnt the most functional thing ive used. The screwdriver is so good... it really feels like a full size tool in the hand.
@@aarondougherty236 You just blew my mind buddy! I didn't even know that but I see it now. Wow! I should have looked at the back of the box when I bought it huh?
The fastback is a beast. They could slim it down a bit, but ive used and abused it for several years at work with zero problems. No tool required to change the blade.
ok, then it also needs to store spare blades, which are also accessible without a tool or a tool on the knife...such a dumb argument. Either, A - this is a pocket utility knife for EDC, in which case a stash of blades and tool in the backpack/car/desk is perfectly acceptable because you aren't doing heavy cutting all day. Or B - This is a toolbox knife for heavy cutting and regular replacement, in which case, IT'S IN ATOOLBOX FFS! keep ur tool and blades handy there. What? You don't have a t7 in your toolbox? There are legit arguments against this knife as toolbox utility knife. And a coinslot or thumb screw like other models would be better. But the existence of a screw is not one of them. And it being a T7 isn't either. But biggest "Duh" of all, this is clearly designed as an EDC.
Just got my civivi elementum "box cutter" in green. I AM IMPRESSED! So comfortable, locks up tight, deploys fast and snappy, can use nearly the whole blade, awesome pocket clip. Best "box cutter" ever made, SERIOUSLY!
" Its not the length of your blade, its how you use it" :) I actually prefer a boxcutter that exposes only 1/2 the blade, seems as if I get 2X the use from it
It's a pain to cut those plastic pallet ribbons with a short blade though. That's the #1 reason I would love a knife like this with more blade exposed...
That is the only Fastback I have never bought. Since they started making it I see shorts and videos about it and for whatever reason I havent bought one yet. And i've owned a ton over the years.
@@jesseorozco5030 You know they come with a warranty, and you could always pick up extra ball bearings from Mcmaster-Carr or ya know Milwaukee themselves.
@@Beats-sx1ch tirant razor v3. It's durable, reliable titanium with a lifetime warranty. The blades are easy to swap and it's low profile (they're working on a larger model right now too btw). I bought a Skeletonized version then got an all black v3 from my gf for Christmas. Have no need for a crappy, bulky bit driver on my knife as I carry a luntz 2in1 pocket screwdriver, the little orange handled ones are indestructible.
I've been carrying the Elementum Utility since it came out. I can understand the torx screw being an issue if you don't always have those around. But that's not an issue for me. Neither is the blade flying out. But, if you are tightening it with a T7, that would probably be your problem. Because, it's a T8 bit screw. It's also likely a standard M3 screw or something. If it really bothers you than charge it out. But, there is no instance on the planet where a tool tightened screw is going to hold something less secure than something finger tight. The blade didn't move because it is screwed down. It doesn't jiggle or slide back and forth in some tooless design. It's just in there. You're just using the wrong bit
I’ve been carrying the Husky version (Home Depot) probably 15 years ago, way before Milwaukee started making this style knife. I remember them working pretty well.
Besides the Civivi being slightly too small, it is almost a perfect utility knife. Knocks all the others out of the park. The issue isn't the screw (T8 not T7 btw). It is the blade that came with it. You need a wider blade, so there is no gap between the blade edge and the frame that holds it. I changed to a Stanley blade that fits snug and no issues since of blade flying out.
As someone who gets a ton of use out of my utility knives imma have to disagree. The perfect utility knife is the fast back by a mile. Tool free blade change, fast deployment, comfortable grip, mine has a bit driver that i use all the time, has a flat head bit so you always have a pry bar, seatbelt cutter that u use to bust open bags of insulation or plastic wrap, bottle opener too, i use that because its common to run into glass bottle Mexican cokes on site from the roach coach. Its such a well designed and well thought out tool and it’s useful literally every day since i got it. Im a drywaller and i have a dedicated large utility knife for cutting in comfort and cutting sheetrock is rough on these things but the fast back never had the blade pop out or anything even with that rough of a task. Its worth the few millimeters of pocket space you lose to have something so useful
@jimboneutron8399 I definitely understand where you are coming from and why you would like the fastback over this, but for me personally, I prefer something like civivi. I always carry a BID inline screwdriver with all the bits I need, plus a small pry in other pockets, so I have no issues looking for a bit to change blades or something to pry. I use the Civivi to cut plasterboard, old silicon, and boxes with no issue of the blade coming out, so it is already much better than all the others I have with a quick release. Plus, I have no need for a seatbelt cutter or bottle opener, so for me, I find the Civivi pretty perfect.
I'll stick with the gerber prybrid. Tool less, compact, bottle opener, pry tool, flat heads (kind of), and now they have models with pocket clips (took them long enough).
Utility knives are the most dangerous knives we use. Because we don't care if we break the blade because they're disposable, so we put undo force on them.
Put one in my thigh while at work. First day of turkey season too. Healed up fine, just looks like a vag.. wife was pissed I didn’t get stitches but I don’t wanna pay that bill.
I’ve used mine to open a can of corn. It didn’t excel at it but it got done. 😂 needed To use that blade replacement button afterwards but didn’t need a tool to do so
I have the WorkPro one. You can get a 2 pack for $10. What I love is how small and light it is. I actually carry 2 knives in my front pocket because of how small this one is.
Ordered one as soon as I saw it. Love the look and feel for an edc. Yeah you need a screwdriver to change the blade but I find I rarely change the blade anyways. The ease of one handed use, with the full length of the blade available in a clean lightweigh package is unbeatable.
I used the Workpro back when I was a wine vendor (cut average 500-800 boxes a day) and honestly, that lil thing was a beast. Worked flawlessly and being able to open it one handed and still being slim, made for a convenient tool to have on person while still in professional attire. I still carry it sometimes over my other knifes because of the replaceable blade feature.
After many years of using traditional Stanley knives which need a screw driver to access the blade storage and change the blade, I bought a Milwaukee. Why would I go back to needing a screwdriver to change the blade?
for a little knife that stays in the pocket all the time, the Oknife Otacle is great, but the Fastback better ergonomically if you are using it all the time and do not care about the bulk. I had the gerber, liked the idea of a tiny knife that is always sharp, but the deployment is so slow, also the blade it comes with is thicker than regular razor blades, so anything off the shelf will wobble some. The Oknife is very fun to fidgit with. The Fastback, not so much, it is a work tool.
WorkPro razor knives are magnetic stainless steel and are manufactured with four variations , Red , Green , Blue , and Satin stainless . All newer versions have a push button lock , opened and closed . Though made in China they are quality . 3 / $20.00 Amazon 8/30/24 . You will be happy with these !
I have both the fastback and Civivi….I edc and, use, the Civivi daily(boxes, packages, straps, never making wood ribbons🤦🏻♂️)….and flip/ change the blade once a month. Switching the blade is not a headache or hassle, when changing once a month! Fastback is in my backpack side pocket, for whenever!
I have been using the Coast DX126 for years, easy to change the blade and great grip for its size and even has an extra lock to lock the knife out when you want to be sure it won't fold accidentally.
As someone who actually carries primarily utility folders its not actually a "huge headache and a major problem" to need a T7 bit, because you arent actually changing the blades all the time. With light use edc, youre changing that blade maybe once a month.
@@c4ristopher surely it is, but if youre going through 5 blades a day there are better cutters that outclass folders in viability. Im the average guy, who uses an urban edc practically. That being said, since my inital comment ive only changed my blade once. Its a little crusty rn, but still razor sharp.
@@HeartMarksman you mentioned light use EDC, and I'm not sure I understand that. I like to be prepared for things, but I only carry things that I think I'll need for the day, which for me is a knife, pliers, and a flashlight. Things I need a bit less often live in a junk drawer or glove box, and more specialty tools live in my tool boxes. I'm genuinely curious why someone would regularly carry a knife (or any tool) that they didn't find themselves needing to use often. I get VEDC and keeping things in a bag, but not so much in pockets.
@@c4ristopher Thinking i dont use my my knife often is an assumption. And the saying rings true lol. But i digress, for this type of carry, its honestly stupid to think youre going to comfortably use this while having to change your blade 5 times a day. If you are genuinely doing that, this is not the form factor youre using for a utility blade that is destroying 5 blades a day. For example, if youre laying carpet, and you pull this out to work with every day, you are a fool. Right tool for the right job type stuff. Liking to prepare, and real world viability different things. Ultimately this is so clearly light duty use, and is marketed toward a group of shopping addicts who will throw this in a junk drawer and rarely use. Or people like me, who actually carry them, and realize you dont need a fresh blade often once the honey moon phase wears off of a neat new toy.
I bought the 9TiEDC version of the OKnife on Amazon. About the same price and has more blade spine exposed for through-cuts. I got it to take a knife with me when I fly somewhere without needing to check luggage. Fly blade-less and buy a blade when I arrive. My coworker has the Civivi and loves it! Definitely more comfortable in the hand and hand filling than the OKnife and 9TiEDC. We work in a shop with easy access to fresh blades and torx bits though…
Or you could get the exceed designs flipper utility knife and have something that doesn't suck. Titanium frame lock and tool less blade changes. Best utility knife out there for edc. Fastback is huge.
I've had 5 Exceeds designs, one of each version, and I absolutely love them, but I would say the Civivi works better. Personally love Civivi's design, with a button lock and more than one deployment, plus an awesome design with finally a locked blade and not a quick release that causes the blade to come out.
@aydan7901 every civivi button lock I've had I never trusted. Had it pop loose before. Shouldn't matter on the razor knife but still and I'm not sure what your doing to have the razor blade come out under use. I find the quick change to be rather less then quick. More like tool less. Which is a good thing. I'm surprised you want a tool to change blades but you have that option. I certainly don't want to find a tool everytime I want to change blades which is rather often.
@orangerider2827 I've owned many Civivi full sized knives and had no problems with their button locks. They have almost perfected the button lock. I sometimes need a utility knife to cut plasterboard or old silicon around a kitchen benchtop, which tends to grab the blade and also need some pressure applied sideways and causes the blade to easily come out. Understand trying to find a tool to change the blade, but for me ,I always have a screwdriver in my pocket with all the bits I need, so it's not an issue personally.
Yeah, I was excited about the Elementum utility knife, as I currently carry a Elementum II button lock. I have been carrying a Milwaukee Fastback, with the extra blade holder option, for years for work with ZERO complaints. However, the thought of a cool EDC matched pair from Civivi was intriguing. Your review, and several others finding the same issues, have convinced me to skip this one until some serious improvements are made. What a shame. Thanks for the honest and comprehensive review, best one I’ve seen yet.
Thanks for the review/warning, Aaron. You put me onto the WorkPros a while back, and I've never looked back. I always have either one of those or a DuraTech (same thing, essentially, but black) on me. Small, thin, light, solid construction, surprisingly fidgety, surprisingly ergonomic, can get a full grip on them so you can apply good pressure, and when I got mine, about $6 a pop. Also, the blade stays secure until changed, and the change is absurdly easy. I love the Civivi knives I own, but they need to go back to the drawing board with this.
Needs: - A toolless way to add/remove utility blades (similar to the Husky folding utility knife). (No T7 screwdriver needed.) - 4.5" length handle. (So, an XXL handle.) - G10 rounded handle scales (and a Micarta option). Once Civivi fixes these issues, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
I will add from a UK perspective while also being a trained electrician that on building sites almost everyone would have a Stanley made knife (here a Utility knife is colloquially referred to as a Stanley knife) which has a screw in the middle of the body you always have to remove to change the blade and they're so cheap and easy to come by they're practically disposable. So this Civivi doesnt really break away from this idea although the price you'd expect otherwise. I feel if you took this on a site here you'd get laughed at for spending this kind of money. Though im going to carry one as im now a supervisor/middle manager in a shirt who sometimes gets my hands dirty when i have to!
I just bought the Dewalt cutter with a button release lock and it works beautifully, but it's a bit longer. I have others, but I hate having to open them up and then replace the blade and reassemble them. This Dealt model opens easy with one hand. It is not spring-loaded, but that means nothing to fail.
I'm using Tajima Vmax II blades and I've found that the texture of the blade helps with keeping the screw tightened. I prefer these blades anyway because the coating helps it to not rust as easy. Hoping they wil make a thumb screw for it or maybe fix this with a version 2
Yeah exactly! That's my number one complaint with the civivi. That's why I bought a work pro. On the work pro all you do is lift up the latch and replace the blade you don't have to use no tools
I've been trying to decide between the U1 and the Elementum and the biggest issue I have is the blade replacement process. I like the design of the Elementum more, but that's the one thing I dislike about it. Oh and price!
I feel like this isn't to replace a fastback or classic Stanley box cutter. It's a light duty edc for someone who likes the fidgety nature of some edc knives and doesn't want to sharpen at the end of the day or week or however often needed. So while they're at their desk watching your videos they swap the blade and put it back in the pocket. For the person that cuts some tape or opens a box every other day or so. Or someone like me that just happens to collect utility blade holders because they're neat for some reason. I don't usually carry one because I have better options to use but I just like them. Though one of these would pair well with a Leatherman, if you got the bit kit, toss a torx in if you don't have it and you got a small replaceable blade and whatever tools your mutlitool has.
Blew right past the workpro with the axis lock eh? That's my edc utility 5th pocket blade I stash them everywhere. Carried them when they were only in liner lock too...3 packs for $16 max. Turbo knife for work, way quicker than the Fastback.
I have the workpro for my edc setup Love it for how thin and easy it is to use Real easy to turn the blade around once the first half becomes dull And super inexpensive since its just folded metal
Question, is there any chance I could talk you into doing a follow up video where you discuss the best blad banks, or make one, to properly dispose of the dulled razor blades??? Please?
I’m glad I saw this because I was thinking of getting one and now seeing is how the blade will just fall off I think I’ll wait for version two which will probably address this issue. Probably have to wait a year but that’s OK.
I usually carry the Milwaukee fastback with the driver, but when I want something smaller and less bulky I go with the Coast DX126! It’s a great little utility knife and for less than $12 you can’t beat it!!!
Civivi must have updated this knife. I just bought one factory direct & it has a T8 Torx Screw & I've been flicking it relentlessly while watching videos without it becoming loose!
I was on a roof, trying to change the blade on my element. Dropped my hex, then dropped the screw. I proceeded to stand up on the roof, and chucked my civivi as far as i could into the woods. Climbed down the ladder, went into my glove box, and got my fb
I agree completely. Civivi has entered the utility knife business late and they failed to include a quick change mechanism when everyone else has their own version of a quick change mechanism.
I use a Kobalt utility knife from lowes I believe. It's a button lock and it's a gravity type of knife not a flipper, it has storage in the handle for 3X blades and the main blade releases with a little push button. It's cheap and ergonomic.
I love mine, I carry spare blades in the case it came with and that’s where I leave my T8 tool. It only requires half a turn to loosen the screw enough, it takes me longer to get a fresh blade out of its packaging. I have a Milwaukee fast back and I’ve never carried it because it’s too bulky but I love to carry my Civivi at work and the screw has never backed out.
I daily a mini Osborne at work and lately have had to open a lot of boxes so I was looking for a slim box cutter. I tried a fastback but it's way too big for my pocket. The Civivi is perfect, has a great draw, good pocket clip and is slim/smooth for pockets. Now I leave the benchmades for my days off.
I've got a handful of box cutters. Fast back is solid and cheap, but I wish was slimmer. Tactical keychains Tukk xl was the first sliding blade box cutter on the market and is really pocket friendly. Turnback knife co full size is a really nice full size option but needs a bit to change the blade too
I work retail where I am not technically supposed to use anything but the baby's first box cutter they gave me and I had one of these in order for an occasional backup to my other knives. You just saved me time and trouble because that blade issue would undoubtedly get me fired. Ended up cancelling and ordering a NuKnives Kumpanter instead. You should look at that, appears to be a front flipper/stud flipper with a liner lock. It has a similar manual screw to the Oknife but is slightly bigger for a better grip. Also G10 scales. If Civivi updates to AT LEAST a half-blade option and better blade catch I'd definitely buy one, G10 would be nice too. I currently use either an EZ Cutter 1000 or a Milwaukee Fastback 1501 with a Gerber EAB Lite as my backup.
I’m a handyman and either carry a leatherman or the fastback with the bit driver when I’m working. The fast back is a little bulky for what it is but it’s light
Thank you for this video I almost got one of those civivi ones but wasn't sure if it was good so glad I didn't waste my money I'll be getting the Oknife one soon
Also to be fair when I’m using a utility blade I don’t need that much blade. What I like about the fast back is you can flip the blade and get a second use out of the blade.
I EDC the EAB Lite. When I screw in the blade I always use something with a handle to make sure it's tight. The screw likes to come lose whenever I finger tight it with just a bit head. Maybe that's what's happening with this knife
i have one, ive used a fastvack for years at work, i switched to the klein because of the 2nd position lock is so good for biting down really hard when cutting wood veneers or something but ive been using the elementum and its great. sure its not tooless change but i always have a t10 on me for hotel maint on door locks, and the benefit of having a super slim spine and the most possible blade exposure out of any utility knife is great. unless im cutting through hvac insulation or something im good
The simplest, smallest Fastback is what I use. Works every time. Quick release. Compact. And affordable. So affordable, that they are everywhere. In the house, kitchen, garage, truck, tool bag, tool box, and my pocket.
When the CIVI came out I saw the screw was going to be a major downfall. Got myself the Oknife. Thought I was only going to use it at work but it finds its way into my pocket the whole time. I use my leather to turn the lock screw a tad then the blade never comes loose.
Thanks for the video man. I’ve been a fan of Civi and have like six different elementums. So I’ve been meaning to get this one and was about to. But after watching your video I’m a little bummed out because I love the design and deployment options of it. I’m sure I can get away with it but backing out as much cuz I would t really use it a lot at work. That being said, that’s a huge bummer how easily you can launch that blade at someone lol
I’ve used my EAB for years, it’s a great little knife. My main complaint is that I’ve gone through like 3 pocket clips. The fastback is available with a bit driver for an extra $5, money well spent. Another option (personally haven’t tried yet) is the gerber prybrid utility
I have been carrying the Gerber EAB classic for a very long time it has been the main stay in my rotation, that is equal to if not possibly better than the lightweight EAB
Don't know how many years I've carried mine, but for my needs (occasional use at work) light is perfect. Clip it on one side of my back pocket, never lose it, and never know it's there until I reach for it.
I can't think of any utility blade holder that I would trade for the fastback in my use. Having an expendable edge that I don't care about plus a Phillips and flat always ready are great.
I got the elementum utility knife and was disappointed when I realized how small it is.... it's officially been retired to my knife collection case before it got it's first cut. I'll get another one if they make the handle bigger... or the guard/shelf in front of the flipper tab a little longer. Almost cut my finger when i choked up to get a full 4 finger grip.
The O-knife offering was cool and small, but it made the mistake of biting me on closing 5 times in the same day. Definitely prefer the push button designs now over the crossbar \ axis lock style.
The o knife handle is too short. If they made it with the longer handle it would be the best. The knife bit me as well. I wonder if we can take the screw that changes out the blade from the oknife and put it on the civivi. You think it will work better?
Civivi could have easily used a screw you could tighten with a coin or flat head screwdriver- or hand tightenable. Although this wouldn't fix the blade falling out problem, you could tighten it more easily to prevent it.
I just got mine,(green) I’m very underwhelmed by it, I have ordered a grey one that I’ll be cancelling. The second was going to be a gift but I’m getting the Olight O’tacle U1 instead. The button lock stuffs the drop on mine. If I press the button a little hard, the blade sticks. Deployment is average at best. The O’tacle is smaller but made better.
I'm still looking for the ideal utility knife. I wanted to love the Gerber Pry rid, but I was disappointed because I actually need to pry stuff at work. It's not very good at prying, and is a big lump in my pocket.
My problem with the Milwaukee has always been that the blade pulls out cutting drywall. The same with most easy release blade knives. I pinched the threads of my Civivi enough it has good resistance and make sure it's plenty tight.
Got one in my cart, kinda spendy for what it is though... I did want the Gerber pry bar / utility blade one but it doesn't have a pocket clip on it for obvious reasons, but the civivi has a pocket clip and more usable blade which I kind of like but I don't know how practical it is for me... I'm still debating and probably will decide between these two by the end of this month😂... Thanks for your time and the video 😎✌️
My favourite boxcutter to this date is the Fiskars Pro YCO222 which is about 17$ its a bit heavy and the blade is of the half showing kind but whats makes is awesome is the size, ergos and the blade locking system on a push button folder, I have been working in a warehouse for about 15years so i have been going through a few differnt kinds, but for the past 2years have i only been using the fiskars one and it suit me better then even the Fastback gen1 i had before.
for utility, a simple Stanley breaker blade for a few bucks. adjustable to a short point when opening boxes. why reinvent something that is already working? ;)
I like the thick grip, dependable black lock, and easily swapped blades on my Ozarks trail. Going to stick with that, Regardless this civivi is a neat tool, hopefully they make some improvements or Kizer gets into this game
The fastback, utility blade with the screwdriver combo attachment is my most used EDC item ever.
Yup, this is an amazing tool. Only reason its not my edc is I like the look of a more trad looking knife but id be lying if it wasnt the most functional thing ive used. The screwdriver is so good... it really feels like a full size tool in the hand.
It’s an absolute beast. Will be interesting to see if they ever come after Leatherman with a plier based tool
The +1 blade storage on it is perfect and doesn't add bulk
@@aarondougherty236 You just blew my mind buddy! I didn't even know that but I see it now. Wow! I should have looked at the back of the box when I bought it huh?
Same. Just wish I could get a Robertson bit for it.
The fastback is a beast. They could slim it down a bit, but ive used and abused it for several years at work with zero problems. No tool required to change the blade.
Best knife I have for work .
I use the one with the bit driver several times a day… love it.
@@adamsifford6228 🤘
@@chillywilly7454 do you use the driver often?
I sand mine down to a slimmer profile quite easily
If you need a tool to change the blade. The tool must fit into the knife somehow
ok, then it also needs to store spare blades, which are also accessible without a tool or a tool on the knife...such a dumb argument.
Either, A - this is a pocket utility knife for EDC, in which case a stash of blades and tool in the backpack/car/desk is perfectly acceptable because you aren't doing heavy cutting all day.
Or B - This is a toolbox knife for heavy cutting and regular replacement, in which case, IT'S IN ATOOLBOX FFS! keep ur tool and blades handy there. What? You don't have a t7 in your toolbox?
There are legit arguments against this knife as toolbox utility knife. And a coinslot or thumb screw like other models would be better. But the existence of a screw is not one of them. And it being a T7 isn't either. But biggest "Duh" of all, this is clearly designed as an EDC.
@@privatezim3637 Well the fastback does have blade storage built in....Civivi doesn't obviously.
milwaukee has one that stores extra blades in the handle chief, so yeah seems like a weak argument
@@privatezim3637cope harder
@@Frozirrathey're also plastic chinese garbage
Just got my civivi elementum "box cutter" in green. I AM IMPRESSED! So comfortable, locks up tight, deploys fast and snappy, can use nearly the whole blade, awesome pocket clip. Best "box cutter" ever made, SERIOUSLY!
" Its not the length of your blade, its how you use it" :) I actually prefer a boxcutter that exposes only 1/2 the blade, seems as if I get 2X the use from it
It's a pain to cut those plastic pallet ribbons with a short blade though. That's the #1 reason I would love a knife like this with more blade exposed...
Nothing will dethrone the Fastback with the 1/4" drive with the flat-head bit and philips bit on the other side.
Yessir!
That is the only Fastback I have never bought. Since they started making it I see shorts and videos about it and for whatever reason I havent bought one yet. And i've owned a ton over the years.
@@theplourde It's worth trying out buddy. It's so handy to have that bit set.
Until the bearing falls and it’s useless
@@jesseorozco5030 You know they come with a warranty, and you could always pick up extra ball bearings from Mcmaster-Carr or ya know Milwaukee themselves.
Yeahhh I’m glad there are good reviewers like you that test this gear..I definitely won’t get one..Milwaukee is still #1 imo
The blade catch on mine is T8. I’ve been using mine for a week now and had no issues with the blade falling out.
No. The answer is no.
Fastback is obsolete trash
You’re poor
@@Agent-vj3nsfastback with the screwdriver built into it is the only knife I recommend to anybody doing any sort of maintenance work.
@@Agent-vj3nswhat's your choice for utility, and why
@@Beats-sx1ch tirant razor v3. It's durable, reliable titanium with a lifetime warranty. The blades are easy to swap and it's low profile (they're working on a larger model right now too btw). I bought a Skeletonized version then got an all black v3 from my gf for Christmas. Have no need for a crappy, bulky bit driver on my knife as I carry a luntz 2in1 pocket screwdriver, the little orange handled ones are indestructible.
needs a fast blade change like the fast back. thats the only reason why im not getting the civivi
I've been carrying the Elementum Utility since it came out. I can understand the torx screw being an issue if you don't always have those around. But that's not an issue for me. Neither is the blade flying out. But, if you are tightening it with a T7, that would probably be your problem. Because, it's a T8 bit screw.
It's also likely a standard M3 screw or something. If it really bothers you than charge it out. But, there is no instance on the planet where a tool tightened screw is going to hold something less secure than something finger tight. The blade didn't move because it is screwed down. It doesn't jiggle or slide back and forth in some tooless design. It's just in there. You're just using the wrong bit
I’ve been carrying the Husky version (Home Depot) probably 15 years ago, way before Milwaukee started making this style knife. I remember them working pretty well.
Besides the Civivi being slightly too small, it is almost a perfect utility knife. Knocks all the others out of the park. The issue isn't the screw (T8 not T7 btw). It is the blade that came with it. You need a wider blade, so there is no gap between the blade edge and the frame that holds it. I changed to a Stanley blade that fits snug and no issues since of blade flying out.
Still no Issues?
@@arneulight Nope. Still solid as
As someone who gets a ton of use out of my utility knives imma have to disagree. The perfect utility knife is the fast back by a mile. Tool free blade change, fast deployment, comfortable grip, mine has a bit driver that i use all the time, has a flat head bit so you always have a pry bar, seatbelt cutter that u use to bust open bags of insulation or plastic wrap, bottle opener too, i use that because its common to run into glass bottle Mexican cokes on site from the roach coach. Its such a well designed and well thought out tool and it’s useful literally every day since i got it. Im a drywaller and i have a dedicated large utility knife for cutting in comfort and cutting sheetrock is rough on these things but the fast back never had the blade pop out or anything even with that rough of a task. Its worth the few millimeters of pocket space you lose to have something so useful
@jimboneutron8399 I definitely understand where you are coming from and why you would like the fastback over this, but for me personally, I prefer something like civivi. I always carry a BID inline screwdriver with all the bits I need, plus a small pry in other pockets, so I have no issues looking for a bit to change blades or something to pry. I use the Civivi to cut plasterboard, old silicon, and boxes with no issue of the blade coming out, so it is already much better than all the others I have with a quick release. Plus, I have no need for a seatbelt cutter or bottle opener, so for me, I find the Civivi pretty perfect.
I'll stick with the gerber prybrid. Tool less, compact, bottle opener, pry tool, flat heads (kind of), and now they have models with pocket clips (took them long enough).
Utility knives are the most dangerous knives we use. Because we don't care if we break the blade because they're disposable, so we put undo force on them.
Literally used mine to bust a metal band today lol
Put one in my thigh while at work. First day of turkey season too. Healed up fine, just looks like a vag.. wife was pissed I didn’t get stitches but I don’t wanna pay that bill.
I’ve used mine to open a can of corn. It didn’t excel at it but it got done. 😂 needed To use that blade replacement button afterwards but didn’t need a tool to do so
I love my workpro/mossyoak. Small and thin, and no tools needed to change blades. I dremel some jimping and it’s absolutely perfect
I have the WorkPro one. You can get a 2 pack for $10. What I love is how small and light it is. I actually carry 2 knives in my front pocket because of how small this one is.
On the gerber, If you squeeze the pocket clip it comes off and can be used as a screwdriver to remove the blade retention screw.
Ordered one as soon as I saw it. Love the look and feel for an edc.
Yeah you need a screwdriver to change the blade but I find I rarely change the blade anyways. The ease of one handed use, with the full length of the blade available in a clean lightweigh package is unbeatable.
Thanks so much! I was considering buying one of these but now I think I'll just wait a bit.. Love my fastback!!
I used the Workpro back when I was a wine vendor (cut average 500-800 boxes a day) and honestly, that lil thing was a beast. Worked flawlessly and being able to open it one handed and still being slim, made for a convenient tool to have on person while still in professional attire. I still carry it sometimes over my other knifes because of the replaceable blade feature.
Locking screw driver and the release for the blade is a button not a screw.... fastback hands down. Thanks to Zac In The Wild!
My solution to the EAB was replace the retaining screw with a thumb screw and now you have tool-less changing and a thumb stud for deployment
Brilliant!!
After many years of using traditional Stanley knives which need a screw driver to access the blade storage and change the blade, I bought a Milwaukee. Why would I go back to needing a screwdriver to change the blade?
Worked in a warehouse for ten yrs, the gerber was a game changer. Light, small, one-handed. Excellent bit of kit.
for a little knife that stays in the pocket all the time, the Oknife Otacle is great, but the Fastback better ergonomically if you are using it all the time and do not care about the bulk. I had the gerber, liked the idea of a tiny knife that is always sharp, but the deployment is so slow, also the blade it comes with is thicker than regular razor blades, so anything off the shelf will wobble some. The Oknife is very fun to fidgit with. The Fastback, not so much, it is a work tool.
I have the OKNIFE Oracle U1 and I love it. The blade has never come out when I didn’t want it to. Even when carving wood. Thanks 🎸🔪
The screw has the same issue though. I wish it had a screw head and the knurling.
WorkPro razor knives are magnetic stainless steel and are manufactured with four variations , Red , Green , Blue , and Satin stainless . All newer versions have a push button lock , opened and closed . Though made in China they are quality . 3 / $20.00 Amazon 8/30/24 . You will be happy with these !
I have both the fastback and Civivi….I edc and, use, the Civivi daily(boxes, packages, straps, never making wood ribbons🤦🏻♂️)….and flip/ change the blade once a month. Switching the blade is not a headache or hassle, when changing once a month! Fastback is in my backpack side pocket, for whenever!
The Fastback 6-in-1 with a small Knipex has been the perfect combo for my everyday carry. My only wish would be different colorways.
The belt clip comes off the Gerber to change the blade. Push down slide out boom flathead screwdriver
I have been using the Coast DX126 for years, easy to change the blade and great grip for its size and even has an extra lock to lock the knife out when you want to be sure it won't fold accidentally.
As someone who actually carries primarily utility folders its not actually a "huge headache and a major problem" to need a T7 bit, because you arent actually changing the blades all the time. With light use edc, youre changing that blade maybe once a month.
I think carry is different than use. I use my knife literally every day, and can go through multiple blades on a busy day.
@@c4ristopher surely it is, but if youre going through 5 blades a day there are better cutters that outclass folders in viability. Im the average guy, who uses an urban edc practically. That being said, since my inital comment ive only changed my blade once. Its a little crusty rn, but still razor sharp.
@@HeartMarksman you mentioned light use EDC, and I'm not sure I understand that. I like to be prepared for things, but I only carry things that I think I'll need for the day, which for me is a knife, pliers, and a flashlight. Things I need a bit less often live in a junk drawer or glove box, and more specialty tools live in my tool boxes.
I'm genuinely curious why someone would regularly carry a knife (or any tool) that they didn't find themselves needing to use often. I get VEDC and keeping things in a bag, but not so much in pockets.
@@c4ristopher Thinking i dont use my my knife often is an assumption. And the saying rings true lol.
But i digress, for this type of carry, its honestly stupid to think youre going to comfortably use this while having to change your blade 5 times a day. If you are genuinely doing that, this is not the form factor youre using for a utility blade that is destroying 5 blades a day.
For example, if youre laying carpet, and you pull this out to work with every day, you are a fool. Right tool for the right job type stuff. Liking to prepare, and real world viability different things. Ultimately this is so clearly light duty use, and is marketed toward a group of shopping addicts who will throw this in a junk drawer and rarely use. Or people like me, who actually carry them, and realize you dont need a fresh blade often once the honey moon phase wears off of a neat new toy.
I like the Roxon 501U with the scissors and replaceable blades including box cutter. $28 for the knife, $10 extra for the box cutter attachment.
Does it have a flat head and Phillips screw 🪛 driver?
I bought the 9TiEDC version of the OKnife on Amazon. About the same price and has more blade spine exposed for through-cuts. I got it to take a knife with me when I fly somewhere without needing to check luggage. Fly blade-less and buy a blade when I arrive.
My coworker has the Civivi and loves it! Definitely more comfortable in the hand and hand filling than the OKnife and 9TiEDC. We work in a shop with easy access to fresh blades and torx bits though…
Or you could get the exceed designs flipper utility knife and have something that doesn't suck. Titanium frame lock and tool less blade changes. Best utility knife out there for edc. Fastback is huge.
This. I also have one and it is the best BY FAR
To me, a utility knife is supposed to be cheap. The blades are disposable, and I feel the handle should be priced to reflect that.
I've had 5 Exceeds designs, one of each version, and I absolutely love them, but I would say the Civivi works better. Personally love Civivi's design, with a button lock and more than one deployment, plus an awesome design with finally a locked blade and not a quick release that causes the blade to come out.
@aydan7901 every civivi button lock I've had I never trusted. Had it pop loose before. Shouldn't matter on the razor knife but still and I'm not sure what your doing to have the razor blade come out under use. I find the quick change to be rather less then quick. More like tool less. Which is a good thing. I'm surprised you want a tool to change blades but you have that option. I certainly don't want to find a tool everytime I want to change blades which is rather often.
@orangerider2827 I've owned many Civivi full sized knives and had no problems with their button locks. They have almost perfected the button lock. I sometimes need a utility knife to cut plasterboard or old silicon around a kitchen benchtop, which tends to grab the blade and also need some pressure applied sideways and causes the blade to easily come out. Understand trying to find a tool to change the blade, but for me ,I always have a screwdriver in my pocket with all the bits I need, so it's not an issue personally.
Yeah, I was excited about the Elementum utility knife, as I currently carry a Elementum II button lock. I have been carrying a Milwaukee Fastback, with the extra blade holder option, for years for work with ZERO complaints. However, the thought of a cool EDC matched pair from Civivi was intriguing. Your review, and several others finding the same issues, have convinced me to skip this one until some serious improvements are made. What a shame. Thanks for the honest and comprehensive review, best one I’ve seen yet.
Fellow circuit city alum here. I was the home entertainment supervisor when they shut down. Haven’t heard someone mention them in a long time.
I still have an open box Velodyne 10” sub and an Onkyo receiver from Circuit City. Both still rock!
Milwaukee my go to work knife
This is why I love about your channel true honesty even though it hurts
Thanks for the review/warning, Aaron. You put me onto the WorkPros a while back, and I've never looked back. I always have either one of those or a DuraTech (same thing, essentially, but black) on me. Small, thin, light, solid construction, surprisingly fidgety, surprisingly ergonomic, can get a full grip on them so you can apply good pressure, and when I got mine, about $6 a pop. Also, the blade stays secure until changed, and the change is absurdly easy. I love the Civivi knives I own, but they need to go back to the drawing board with this.
Needs:
- A toolless way to add/remove utility blades (similar to the Husky folding utility knife). (No T7 screwdriver needed.)
- 4.5" length handle. (So, an XXL handle.)
- G10 rounded handle scales (and a Micarta option).
Once Civivi fixes these issues, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
I will add from a UK perspective while also being a trained electrician that on building sites almost everyone would have a Stanley made knife (here a Utility knife is colloquially referred to as a Stanley knife) which has a screw in the middle of the body you always have to remove to change the blade and they're so cheap and easy to come by they're practically disposable. So this Civivi doesnt really break away from this idea although the price you'd expect otherwise.
I feel if you took this on a site here you'd get laughed at for spending this kind of money. Though im going to carry one as im now a supervisor/middle manager in a shirt who sometimes gets my hands dirty when i have to!
I just bought the Dewalt cutter with a button release lock and it works beautifully, but it's a bit longer. I have others, but I hate having to open them up and then replace the blade and reassemble them. This Dealt model opens easy with one hand. It is not spring-loaded, but that means nothing to fail.
I'm using Tajima Vmax II blades and I've found that the texture of the blade helps with keeping the screw tightened. I prefer these blades anyway because the coating helps it to not rust as easy.
Hoping they wil make a thumb screw for it or maybe fix this with a version 2
Dude honestly the fast back with the bit driver is literally the most useful thing I own. Its hard to beat. It’s almost the perfect tool
Yeah exactly! That's my number one complaint with the civivi. That's why I bought a work pro. On the work pro all you do is lift up the latch and replace the blade you don't have to use no tools
The Gerber Lite lives in my 5th pocket. Never had any issues with it.
I've been trying to decide between the U1 and the Elementum and the biggest issue I have is the blade replacement process. I like the design of the Elementum more, but that's the one thing I dislike about it. Oh and price!
I feel like this isn't to replace a fastback or classic Stanley box cutter. It's a light duty edc for someone who likes the fidgety nature of some edc knives and doesn't want to sharpen at the end of the day or week or however often needed. So while they're at their desk watching your videos they swap the blade and put it back in the pocket. For the person that cuts some tape or opens a box every other day or so. Or someone like me that just happens to collect utility blade holders because they're neat for some reason. I don't usually carry one because I have better options to use but I just like them. Though one of these would pair well with a Leatherman, if you got the bit kit, toss a torx in if you don't have it and you got a small replaceable blade and whatever tools your mutlitool has.
Blew right past the workpro with the axis lock eh? That's my edc utility 5th pocket blade I stash them everywhere. Carried them when they were only in liner lock too...3 packs for $16 max.
Turbo knife for work, way quicker than the Fastback.
I have the WORKPRO works great easy open and quick change of the blade.
I have the workpro for my edc setup
Love it for how thin and easy it is to use
Real easy to turn the blade around once the first half becomes dull
And super inexpensive since its just folded metal
Question, is there any chance I could talk you into doing a follow up video where you discuss the best blad banks, or make one, to properly dispose of the dulled razor blades???
Please?
I will look into that
@@gideonstactical Thanks!
I EDC a FastBack and Victorinox CyberTool, so I have a T7 on my person already. Ordering one to see if it feels more solid than a tool-less design.
I’m glad I saw this because I was thinking of getting one and now seeing is how the blade will just fall off I think I’ll wait for version two which will probably address this issue. Probably have to wait a year but that’s OK.
I usually carry the Milwaukee fastback with the driver, but when I want something smaller and less bulky I go with the Coast DX126! It’s a great little utility knife and for less than $12 you can’t beat it!!!
Civivi must have updated this knife. I just bought one factory direct & it has a T8 Torx Screw & I've been flicking it relentlessly while watching videos without it becoming loose!
Nice look! For those using these kind of utility knives, what is the benefit vs one with a large snap blade?
The screw should at least be dime friendly. The Gerber version worked great. Grab a dime loosen, change blades and tighten it back up.
I was on a roof, trying to change the blade on my element. Dropped my hex, then dropped the screw. I proceeded to stand up on the roof, and chucked my civivi as far as i could into the woods. Climbed down the ladder, went into my glove box, and got my fb
Dang! That sounds about right
With the Gerber.. You can use the new blade to unscrew the screw. Then the old one to tighten it.
I agree completely. Civivi has entered the utility knife business late and they failed to include a quick change mechanism when everyone else has their own version of a quick change mechanism.
I use a Kobalt utility knife from lowes I believe. It's a button lock and it's a gravity type of knife not a flipper, it has storage in the handle for 3X blades and the main blade releases with a little push button. It's cheap and ergonomic.
I love mine, I carry spare blades in the case it came with and that’s where I leave my T8 tool. It only requires half a turn to loosen the screw enough, it takes me longer to get a fresh blade out of its packaging. I have a Milwaukee fast back and I’ve never carried it because it’s too bulky but I love to carry my Civivi at work and the screw has never backed out.
I daily a mini Osborne at work and lately have had to open a lot of boxes so I was looking for a slim box cutter. I tried a fastback but it's way too big for my pocket. The Civivi is perfect, has a great draw, good pocket clip and is slim/smooth for pockets. Now I leave the benchmades for my days off.
I've got a handful of box cutters. Fast back is solid and cheap, but I wish was slimmer. Tactical keychains Tukk xl was the first sliding blade box cutter on the market and is really pocket friendly. Turnback knife co full size is a really nice full size option but needs a bit to change the blade too
I work retail where I am not technically supposed to use anything but the baby's first box cutter they gave me and I had one of these in order for an occasional backup to my other knives. You just saved me time and trouble because that blade issue would undoubtedly get me fired. Ended up cancelling and ordering a NuKnives Kumpanter instead. You should look at that, appears to be a front flipper/stud flipper with a liner lock. It has a similar manual screw to the Oknife but is slightly bigger for a better grip. Also G10 scales.
If Civivi updates to AT LEAST a half-blade option and better blade catch I'd definitely buy one, G10 would be nice too.
I currently use either an EZ Cutter 1000 or a Milwaukee Fastback 1501 with a Gerber EAB Lite as my backup.
I’m a handyman and either carry a leatherman or the fastback with the bit driver when I’m working. The fast back is a little bulky for what it is but it’s light
Thank you for this video I almost got one of those civivi ones but wasn't sure if it was good so glad I didn't waste my money I'll be getting the Oknife one soon
I think this guy did a disservice to this tool. He's using it for things it wasn't designed for and then calling foul.
Also to be fair when I’m using a utility blade I don’t need that much blade. What I like about the fast back is you can flip the blade and get a second use out of the blade.
5:54 I do understand you shouldn’t have to use Loctite. But purple adjustment screw Loctite 222 could be used and still be able to remove the screw.
Thank you for this. I don't have one of these, or intend to, but i didn't know purple loctite was a thing:)
I'm not paying money for a tool only to have to loctite it .... come on man
The Gerber version is excellent al be it a standard screw to replace the blade
I EDC the EAB Lite. When I screw in the blade I always use something with a handle to make sure it's tight. The screw likes to come lose whenever I finger tight it with just a bit head. Maybe that's what's happening with this knife
i have one, ive used a fastvack for years at work, i switched to the klein because of the 2nd position lock is so good for biting down really hard when cutting wood veneers or something but ive been using the elementum and its great. sure its not tooless change but i always have a t10 on me for hotel maint on door locks, and the benefit of having a super slim spine and the most possible blade exposure out of any utility knife is great. unless im cutting through hvac insulation or something im good
The simplest, smallest Fastback is what I use. Works every time. Quick release. Compact. And affordable. So affordable, that they are everywhere. In the house, kitchen, garage, truck, tool bag, tool box, and my pocket.
When the CIVI came out I saw the screw was going to be a major downfall. Got myself the Oknife. Thought I was only going to use it at work but it finds its way into my pocket the whole time. I use my leather to turn the lock screw a tad then the blade never comes loose.
Thanks for the video man. I’ve been a fan of Civi and have like six different elementums. So I’ve been meaning to get this one and was about to. But after watching your video I’m a little bummed out because I love the design and deployment options of it. I’m sure I can get away with it but backing out as much cuz I would t really use it a lot at work. That being said, that’s a huge bummer how easily you can launch that blade at someone lol
I’ve used my EAB for years, it’s a great little knife. My main complaint is that I’ve gone through like 3 pocket clips. The fastback is available with a bit driver for an extra $5, money well spent. Another option (personally haven’t tried yet) is the gerber prybrid utility
I have been carrying the Gerber EAB classic for a very long time it has been the main stay in my rotation, that is equal to if not possibly better than the lightweight EAB
More exposed edge on your blade and the front choil on EAB classic is very comfortable looks like it's way more comfortable than the lightweight eab
Carried the EAB for 10 years. Used it as a money clip. Very compact. And you can remove the screw with a coin
Don't know how many years I've carried mine, but for my needs (occasional use at work) light is perfect. Clip it on one side of my back pocket, never lose it, and never know it's there until I reach for it.
I can't think of any utility blade holder that I would trade for the fastback in my use. Having an expendable edge that I don't care about plus a Phillips and flat always ready are great.
I got the elementum utility knife and was disappointed when I realized how small it is.... it's officially been retired to my knife collection case before it got it's first cut. I'll get another one if they make the handle bigger... or the guard/shelf in front of the flipper tab a little longer. Almost cut my finger when i choked up to get a full 4 finger grip.
The O-knife offering was cool and small, but it made the mistake of biting me on closing 5 times in the same day. Definitely prefer the push button designs now over the crossbar \ axis lock style.
Ouch!
The o knife handle is too short. If they made it with the longer handle it would be the best. The knife bit me as well. I wonder if we can take the screw that changes out the blade from the oknife and put it on the civivi. You think it will work better?
Civivi could have easily used a screw you could tighten with a coin or flat head screwdriver- or hand tightenable. Although this wouldn't fix the blade falling out problem, you could tighten it more easily to prevent it.
I just got mine,(green) I’m very underwhelmed by it, I have ordered a grey one that I’ll be cancelling. The second was going to be a gift but I’m getting the Olight O’tacle U1 instead.
The button lock stuffs the drop on mine. If I press the button a little hard, the blade sticks.
Deployment is average at best.
The O’tacle is smaller but made better.
I want to like it and buy it, but the issue with the blade has steered me away from it. I went with the oknife otacle u1
Better choice
I have the workpro button lock utility knife, I think it is the best budget utility blade out there. Nice video as always aaron. Thanks
I'll stick with the Gerber Prybrid, it's more useful and toolless blade changes.
I'm still looking for the ideal utility knife. I wanted to love the Gerber Pry rid, but I was disappointed because I actually need to pry stuff at work. It's not very good at prying, and is a big lump in my pocket.
what would you recommend most for left handed or ambidextrous use as they’re aren’t many to choose from in the market so far?
My problem with the Milwaukee has always been that the blade pulls out cutting drywall. The same with most easy release blade knives.
I pinched the threads of my Civivi enough it has good resistance and make sure it's plenty tight.
Got one in my cart, kinda spendy for what it is though... I did want the Gerber pry bar / utility blade one but it doesn't have a pocket clip on it for obvious reasons, but the civivi has a pocket clip and more usable blade which I kind of like but I don't know how practical it is for me... I'm still debating and probably will decide between these two by the end of this month😂... Thanks for your time and the video 😎✌️
The screw on mine is a standard T8 (not T7).
My favourite boxcutter to this date is the Fiskars Pro YCO222 which is about 17$ its a bit heavy and the blade is of the half showing kind but whats makes is awesome is the size, ergos and the blade locking system on a push button folder, I have been working in a warehouse for about 15years so i have been going through a few differnt kinds, but for the past 2years have i only been using the fiskars one and it suit me better then even the Fastback gen1 i had before.
I use a utility knife every day even at home. I really like the looks of the Civivi but I think I'll wait for them to fix the issue.
for utility, a simple Stanley breaker blade for a few bucks. adjustable to a short point when opening boxes. why reinvent something that is already working? ;)
Looks like a light use knife at best. Thanks for the review, I am glad I waited.
My elementum utility comes with a t8 screw to replace the blade!
I like the thick grip, dependable black lock, and easily swapped blades on my Ozarks trail. Going to stick with that, Regardless this civivi is a neat tool, hopefully they make some improvements or Kizer gets into this game