How is it that we are so eager to see someone else experience the same pain we did... It's a very strange feeling of belonging from sharing trauma generated by Jorge XD
This is where I deliver a "fun" fact (actually depressing) and state that Polities last word before he died was the exact same as his first word in the show "Captain"
I think it's very understandable. The war is over, he thinks from now he'll get to go home and experience an era of peace, he can finally stop and appreciate the world for what it is. But little did he know, they were crossing the sea of monsters, and everyone who lives here has the "kill or be killed" mentality. Polites was doomed from the start.
My theory is that he got killed by the cyclops because he tried to get close enough to reason with him, and that’s why he was thinking about open arms when he died
The whole segment with Polyphemos relies on an ancient greek law; the law of xenia, or hospitality. This law was so important that it was overseen by Zeus himself - as in, those who violated it would be punished by Zeus and basically boiled down to "dont hurt, maim, or kill your guests so help me" and would in part be 'signed' by sharing a meal between host and guest; eat the food, you've entered the contract, and now xenia protects you both. Now, my only source for what I'm about to say is a translation of the Odyssey I read so I can't vouch for the accuracy, but according to xenia, those who requested your hospitality were to be lodged and fed for three days before the host could ask them their name or business. Strike one against Polyphemos, who asks this question right out the gate. Then there's the concept of guest gifts - as part of hospitality being exchanged, host and guest would exchange gifts upon their meeting, usually something valuable. Strike two against Polyphemos, who decides his guest gift to Odysseus will be eating him last which. Is not a guest gift due to the very spirit of xenia. Obviously. (Side note; this is also the crux of the Underworld, where if you eat the food, you're Hades's guest - which means you never leave) Anyway while us modern folk would think Polyphemos justified in demanding who tf is up in his house killing his animals and threatening violence, by ancient greek standards this made him a thug, and notably a bad host deserving of some eye-poking. (Oops this got long- But I felt context adds another layer to the song so here it is uwu) (Also, in the translation I read, Poseidon visits Polyphemos after the ordeal while Odysseus is on the raft sailing away from [spoilers] and once he learns what a terrbile host his son was he essentially drops his grudge which is. Fair, I guess. If a bit late lmao)
@@LoreCatan That's because Polyphemus prayed to Poseidon and told him what happened. Poseidon is a god and can hear prayers in his name. At least that's how the story goes. After Polyphemus prayed to and sobbed to his father, Poseidon went off to kill the man who mutilated his son. He didn't stop to wonder if Polyphemus deserved it. Which is fair. Poseidon was a beyon pissed father who wanted to seek vengance for his son.
@@alexandralugo1743 Oh man, I'm not familiar with the Odyssey at all so I had no idea. That's kinda fucked up, I wonder if that'll play a role in Epic or if it doesn't matter lol.
Fun fact, so rub salt in the wound: this was alllll Jorge. In the odyssey, Polites survives long after the Polyphemus :D another fun fact about the odyssey and polites: while polites is an extremely minor character, he is referred to as Odysseus’ best friend
In Jay's recap of the recap, he explained all the different jokes in the recap (because meta humor) and explained "the obligatory mention of Polites' death" as being "because I like pancakes". 🤣
"A mission, to kill someone's son. A foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before" Not only is sung to the same notes and rhythm to Survive, but kinda describes Polyphemus as well as the infant.
Wait. With Polites giving Odysseus a hand, Im staring at that frame more and Odysseus is on the ground kneeling holding onto 2 bloody swords. His hands are full. To grab polites's hand he would need to drop a sword.
@officialmortius also in that frame Polites's eyes are hidden by the glow of his glasses. They are not seeing eye to eye. (Ironically he was seeing eye to eye with Polyphemus) But he DOES take his hand next frame(which means he dropped a sword). And in act3-music2(ody singing part of open arms) and act3-music3(everything changed since polites), we can see Polites's effect on Ody
The first time I listened to Survive it was strictly audio and I didn't realize the first "captain..." was our sweet boy. So for the rest of the Cyclops saga I kept waiting for Polites to say something and I felt so much dread. so I watched this very animatic and it ruined my life 😭😭😭 devastated for you both but looking forward to the reaction!
Let's not forget that they'd already killed The Favorite Sheep. There had already been bloodshed. The basically rolled up to this man's house, shot his dog, and said "Hey we can settle this peacefully, I got a sixpack in my backseat, you can have one and no violence needs to happen"
@@LyrictheFilthyCasual I mean, they didn't know the sheep belonged to anyone or that the cave was inhabited. Odysseus unintentionally (or intentionally, Idk) made an eye joke to a cyclops's face. 😂
Mort first going "oh wow can you imagine he died haha thatd be so sad luckily he's still standing" and then revealing he showed him my light before this? Villain.
"My favorite sheep." Odysseus will eventually get a taste of that medicine (somewhat) when he returns to Ithaca. Jay said that Odysseus's dog Argos isn't directly mentioned in the music, but he wants the dog to appear once in one of Telemachus's songs.
I'm placing this comment on Casper's video too, but a little Greek insight to Remember Them. In Greek belief, for someone to pass over the River Styx and make it to the Underworld, they have to pay the Ferryman, Charon. That payment is typically buried with their body. There wasn't time to bury the fallen men. Odysseus knew his men and Polites would have no afterlife. He knew there was nothing he could do, except.. Remember Them.
I believe the red eyes are symbolic to their willingness to kill. The cyclops started with red eyes, odysseus was first of the crew and he riled up the crew. Polites was the only one without the red eyes, instead white for peace.
I saw another animatic that Polites died because Polyphemus was going to kill a lotus eater. He died protecting that lil' baby. Though I forgot whose animatic it was, I remember how heartbroken I was since it was also *the* animation that made it clear to me that Polites was the one who died first since I only listened to the audio.
Casper was so done and broken lmao "What's Jorge's twitter?" Just took me looooool running to his channel to see the rest this is AMAZING! Mortius you bad bad person you enjoyed every second of thus and you know it lol
8:39 one thing I haven’t heard anyone mention is that, in the context of raising animals, “favorite” means some combination of “this is the best one I have” and “this is the one I breed the most from” and “this is the First one I ever got” AND “this is my pet”. Basically, Odysseus and crew killed Polyphemus’ Starter Pokemon. Just to make the Cyclopses response make more sense emotionally. That was something it took me about fifty listens to realize myself. Man this musical is good.
I once read on insta a comment that said something like "If someone came into my house, killed my dog to EAT IT and then try to apologize by giving me a soda, I'll be pretty pissed too" so yeah, not cool Odysseus, you killed his pet so that's what u get 🤷🏻♀️
That's a fucking horrible comparison. How is finding sheep you thought were wild and killing them to eat, only for them to have an owner who was eventually going to eat them, you offer barrels of wine as compensation and the owner accepts just to decide to kill and eat you a viable comparison to that. the only way such a comparison would be even close is if you 1. are living out in the woods or a cave instead of a house 2. were going to eat the dog yourself 3. they offered you a few bottles of expensive wine and 4. you decided to eat the person who did it after accepting the wine.
@@gun506 in Greece wine was pretty common, so basically Odysseus killed his livestock (or pet in Polyphemus's eyes), and offered him a cheap can of beer as compensation, and there is no way Odysseuys thought they were wild because they were in a cave filled with food and supplies
@@notavegan3 He literally has the line right after they killed it about how all these sheep gathered is too good to be true and they are in a dark cave, even if there were other supplies or food in there they clearly didn't see it or notice it until after they already killed them. We have easy access to wine as well does that automatically make a bottle of expensive wine equal to a cheap can of beer? There's no way in hell you can seriously look at this and be like yeah these two things are basically the exact same situation with the same circumstances.
@@gun506 I think you underestimate just how common it is to use caves as sheep pens, especially where house-building materials are scarce. They weren't roaming wild in the field. They were in a cave stocked with food. "Look at all this food, look at all these sheep. I can't believe this cave has all this for us to keep." Now, let's see it from the Cyclops' single-eyed point of view. Humans are a food source, like a pig or cow. A human just came into my house, planned to plunder all of my food, and even killed my pet with plans to eat it. This is like if a wild pig came into my property, ransacked my vegetable garden, and killed my dog. True story, this actually happened to my cousin in Louisiana. Guess what he did: he shot the pig and had pork chops for dinner and bacon for breakfast.
@@rhov-anion I'm not even going to argue this anymore. I really can't be bothered to see this as a viable comparison and clearly you guys think differently. So anymore talk on this would just be a waste of both of our time.
Im sure mortius already knows, but I recently put together that Polyphemus and Poseidon has musical similarities in that they both have their names chanted in their introduction.
That's something Jorge has mentioned the reasoning for if I saw correctly. He was inspired by iirc the music in the Kingdom Hearts game series, where the boss battles had epic music. So he decided to have the "Boss" battles Odysseus faces have the "Boss's" name said in the background to make it just that more epic and memorable.
God I love that we all have the same reaction. The immediate. “No no no, there’s no way it’s too soon” trying to find anyway for him to not be gone followed by just IMMEDIATE devastation
The way Survive frames it the cyclops sees Oddy be lifted up by Polites, the zoom in and then shortly after he becomes the first death. I wonder if the animatic is framing it as the cyclops notices they have a stronger bond then most and goes after Polites with the intent of cause as much harm as possible to the man who in his eye wronged him more than any other.
He *did* say that he was going to take from Odysseus what Odysseus took from him. Polites is his favorite. So it makes sense for that moment to mark him as the one that would hurt the most to lose. 💔
36:10 you really start your villain saga with that last word you just said now. We know he does not know you are a villain (continue to be this way 🙏 )
Wait. I just realised… Mortius’ comment about Polyphemus’ line of “‘Nobody’ will be the last one to die”… That arguably functions as a prophecy here. Because indeed, Odysseus ultimately ends up being the only survivor… So out of all of his men, he really is ‘the final man to die’. Also, Polyphemus being voiced by Jorge through a filter (without the intention for another voice actor to be cast later, as with Zeus) is its own kind of foreshadowing of Odysseus becoming monstrous himself later, reflecting Polyphemus (the ‘filter’ in his transformation being all the crap he goes through).
Actually Polites is mentioned only twice in the Odyssey, once when Odysseus is recounting his companions and dubs him as "his closest friend" and the other when they're exploring Circe's island. That's it. That's his character. All the rest is Jay's thing.
24:26 I also perceived this as the infant being a (potential) future enemy that is the son of a present enemy and the cyclops being a present enemy who’s the son of a future enemy.
Oh also if you noticed! Before Polites gets struck down, he is facing away from the cyclops(he turns around just before getting flattened). He dies partially because of his refusal to participate.
The verses in survive have the same tune as zeus in the horse and the infant, which is cool since zeus was the one giving instructions before but now Odysseus is in the same tune
there is a saying that the biggest heroes are also the biggest villians. it just depends on from what perspective you look at them. heroes sometimes have a higher kill count than the villain of the story.
I just realized something. In Polyphemus, Odysseus says "Why would the lotus eaters pass up on all this food" as if there's no possibility that they just prefer Lotus because they've been mind controlled by it.
I’m so sorry you had to go through this, but it’s a rite of passage. So now, Welcome to the Tauma Train driven by Mr. Jalapeño. 32:08 Why is it so funny to see other people so traumatized? Seriously, I think I need help! I started giggling at 33:22!
By ancient Greek standards Polyphemus's violations were even more egregious, with him in the wrong and violating xenia from the beginning. But by modern standards he was still in the wrong after he accepted the wine. Odysseus stated the terms for him receiving the wine were them leaving alive. By drinking the wine he accepted those terms, only to immediately change them and decide he was going to kill all of them. That makes him a thief as well as a murderer, using the personal injury he received as justification. To remain sympathetic and on the right side of things morally he would have had to decline the wine and refuse the terms, citing the fact they weren't enough compensation.
Your uploads give me so much genuine happiness it’s crazy. I love your absolutely evil laughter. The way his face just dropped at the word ‘Die’ in Survive, you could *feel* the ‘oh shit’ going through his mind.
OMG Gigi is going to upload her Monster animation!! must have it in your reaction of the underworld said he was going to connect it with his animation of The Horse and the Infant! By the way, I'm loving these new collaborative reactions. It's great to see you being able to contribute new information now that you're involved in the fandom and Casper's reactions are so genuine and destroyed haha
Mortius you did Casper so dirty.. that was so cruel. I couldn't stop cackling.... then you had the audacity to call back Ruthlessness though he doesn't know it yet....
Even knowing it had to be coming from the first few lines he has due to general genre awareness, that first named character casualty hits like a ton of bricks. It just goes to show what an incredible job the music and the art do together to pull you into these people's stories and make you care about them even if you know it's gonna sting. side note: As someone with a background in raising herd animals(never had sheep myself but I had friends and neighbors who did, while I grew up around my mother's horses, and my brother and I raised goats, which are kind of similar to sheep but more independent and sassy) you really do reach a point, very quickly, where they are individuals to you and also your babies, and you will fight any and all threats to their safety, up to and including god, with your teeth and fists if that's all that's handy. So while I don't agree with his methods, I 100% understand where Polyphemus is coming from in this saga, and it's not so much cyclops behavior as it is average farmer/shepherd behavior. That's just how it is. You defend your flock or herd to the best of your ability, because they need you and they trust you. To be fair, at this point, that's what Odysseus is doing, too.
19:22 I don't think that's it. I think he was insulted by the trade, overhyped wine for his favorite pet, so he decided to punish Odysseus further, echoing his father.
Yeah I think that's where he was coming from too. Interesting to me though, by drinking it without expressing that sentiment, he lost the moral high ground. Drinking it meant he accepted the terms, and then went back on them. If he had refused the wine then by some modern standards he would have been in the right to take at least Odysseus' life in exchange for the harm done to him, but because he drank that wine he became in the wrong.
@@feistsorcerer2251 @sora9138 had something interesting to say assuming they're right. My interpretation could be completely wrong at least for the actual Odyssey, I might still be right for the musical.
@@somedudewatchintv5297 Yeah they have a really good comment from an Odyssey and Greek history standpoint. I wonder if Jay has elaborated about that moment wrt Epic in any of his behind the scenes stuff, because I still think your interpretation holds a lot of merit for the tone of things in Epic.
I went back to look for the horns on his shadow you mentioned in "Polyphemus", and for those who didn't see it at first like I didn't, 16:16 is where it's at.
5:30 i've never seen your light either and just had to pause and watch it real quick and man🥲 now i'm crying even harder at his death why would they do this to us shshsh i really wish it wasn't cut and was kept in it's such a sweet songg T^T thanks for bringing it to my attention man! I'll have to listen to it moee often😩👌
Canonically, Polities believes in Open Arms until the very end,,, (spoilers ahead) It was confirmed in the underworld saga when Odysseus met Polities there. What the ghosts were singing represented their last thoughts (which is confirmed by Jay), and Polities sings Open Arms
A message about the facial hair: media.giphy.com/media/8hYQ4XaKHVUcpx4tnD/giphy.gif
We’ll be back to business as usual next week 😆
I dunno' man; I think it's kinda' working! That said, I'm always a fan of facial hair, so there's some bias there.
I think the facial hair works for you.
@@Macabrellian agreed
oh, i really think it looks good on you!
Gold intro
Mortius:*laughing maniacally*
Casper:*having a mental breakdown*
The two are not exclusive 😂😂 Mortius is just further along the process
Yes he was like what
How is it that we are so eager to see someone else experience the same pain we did... It's a very strange feeling of belonging from sharing trauma generated by Jorge XD
The best trauma, the only good trauma.
trauma bonding is the best bonding
If we have to suffer let's at least do it together XDD
There’s a reason “misery loves company” is a saying.
Misery loves company
“What is Jorge's Twitter?” There goes the sixth stage of grief! Revenge!!
IS THAT A CORELLA REFERENCE???
I guess you could say “ruthlessness is Mircsy” 😎
Eyyyyyyyyy😉👉👉
Not us making jokes while someone else is crying 😭😂
@@crystalkatsuka this is how we cope-
@@IvanIsYda_ ik ik.. 🥹🖐️
THIS IS LITERALLY ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN I HEAR RUTHLESSNESS
"Whats Jorge's twitter?"
😂😂😂 Now you know he's mad!
Wait i missed that one, when is it?!😂
39:40 @@Fruity_one
"jorge. jorge. JORGE. JORGE WHEN I FIND YOU JORGE--"
This is where I deliver a "fun" fact (actually depressing) and state that Polities last word before he died was the exact same as his first word in the show
"Captain"
why would you say this
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
what the FUCK bro what is Jorge's problem 😭
i thought it was "you can relax my friend"
@lilly_girl2151 his first word in the show is captain during full speed ahead
16:44 - Yeah, Polites, like everyone else, went through and survived the Trojan war, so he is very capable of killing. He's just sick of it I think.
15 minutes later - 🥞
I think it's very understandable. The war is over, he thinks from now he'll get to go home and experience an era of peace, he can finally stop and appreciate the world for what it is.
But little did he know, they were crossing the sea of monsters, and everyone who lives here has the "kill or be killed" mentality. Polites was doomed from the start.
Literally kill or be killed (you have no chance against a cyclops tho)
My theory is that he got killed by the cyclops because he tried to get close enough to reason with him, and that’s why he was thinking about open arms when he died
@@PromethealBeethat’s horrible lmao
He did in fact, not Survive this song.
He had ONE job
STOP 😭✋
nO
After finally watching the video, I was right! Yippee!
But he did in fact, Greet that club with Open Arms.
"Can you imaaaagine?? That'd be crazy!"
> not ten seconds later in the song
using odysseus's 'what 🤨?' from gigi's puppeteer to censor casper is so funny for no reason lmaoooo
THANK YOU 😆
The whole segment with Polyphemos relies on an ancient greek law; the law of xenia, or hospitality. This law was so important that it was overseen by Zeus himself - as in, those who violated it would be punished by Zeus and basically boiled down to "dont hurt, maim, or kill your guests so help me" and would in part be 'signed' by sharing a meal between host and guest; eat the food, you've entered the contract, and now xenia protects you both.
Now, my only source for what I'm about to say is a translation of the Odyssey I read so I can't vouch for the accuracy, but according to xenia, those who requested your hospitality were to be lodged and fed for three days before the host could ask them their name or business. Strike one against Polyphemos, who asks this question right out the gate.
Then there's the concept of guest gifts - as part of hospitality being exchanged, host and guest would exchange gifts upon their meeting, usually something valuable. Strike two against Polyphemos, who decides his guest gift to Odysseus will be eating him last which. Is not a guest gift due to the very spirit of xenia. Obviously.
(Side note; this is also the crux of the Underworld, where if you eat the food, you're Hades's guest - which means you never leave)
Anyway while us modern folk would think Polyphemos justified in demanding who tf is up in his house killing his animals and threatening violence, by ancient greek standards this made him a thug, and notably a bad host deserving of some eye-poking.
(Oops this got long- But I felt context adds another layer to the song so here it is uwu)
(Also, in the translation I read, Poseidon visits Polyphemos after the ordeal while Odysseus is on the raft sailing away from [spoilers] and once he learns what a terrbile host his son was he essentially drops his grudge which is. Fair, I guess. If a bit late lmao)
That could have explained Zues's motif in the battle.
But how would Poseidon know what Odysseus did without talking to his son first? Wouldn't that have prevented everything?
@@LoreCatan That's because Polyphemus prayed to Poseidon and told him what happened. Poseidon is a god and can hear prayers in his name. At least that's how the story goes. After Polyphemus prayed to and sobbed to his father, Poseidon went off to kill the man who mutilated his son. He didn't stop to wonder if Polyphemus deserved it. Which is fair. Poseidon was a beyon pissed father who wanted to seek vengance for his son.
@@LoreCatan Polyphemus: Dad this guy came to my house and hurt me.
*time passes*
Poseidon: YOU DID WHAT TO YOUR GUESTS!
@@alexandralugo1743 Oh man, I'm not familiar with the Odyssey at all so I had no idea. That's kinda fucked up, I wonder if that'll play a role in Epic or if it doesn't matter lol.
Fun fact, so rub salt in the wound: this was alllll Jorge. In the odyssey, Polites survives long after the Polyphemus :D another fun fact about the odyssey and polites: while polites is an extremely minor character, he is referred to as Odysseus’ best friend
OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT JACKASS. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT WHAT. HES SO MEAN GOD DAMNIT THAT GENIUS
In Jay's recap of the recap, he explained all the different jokes in the recap (because meta humor) and explained "the obligatory mention of Polites' death" as being "because I like pancakes". 🤣
That's some first class dark Humor... Love it 😂😂😂
Noooo 😂😂😂😂
I was wondering where that was from
Every time someone mentions Polites, I immediately follow it with, “oh yeah, I love pancakes!” because I’m a cruel human being.
@@danieldavid3766 I'd just softly say "Mmmm pancakes." 😂
captain :(
He be doing the Captain Levi spin
I sobbed when Polites died
its funny cuz in the odyssey polites actually didnt die to polyphemus
"A mission, to kill someone's son. A foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before"
Not only is sung to the same notes and rhythm to Survive, but kinda describes Polyphemus as well as the infant.
that is as evil as it is brilliant Omg
And Odysseus definitely wasn't ready :P
Wait.
With Polites giving Odysseus a hand, Im staring at that frame more and Odysseus is on the ground kneeling holding onto 2 bloody swords.
His hands are full.
To grab polites's hand he would need to drop a sword.
Why would you say this
@@officialmortius we love to suffer 😊
Ow
@officialmortius also in that frame Polites's eyes are hidden by the glow of his glasses.
They are not seeing eye to eye.
(Ironically he was seeing eye to eye with Polyphemus)
But he DOES take his hand next frame(which means he dropped a sword). And in act3-music2(ody singing part of open arms) and act3-music3(everything changed since polites), we can see Polites's effect on Ody
You absolute madman omg this is genius
Polyphemus couldn't have passed out sooner, he had to hit his verse, traumatize Odysseus, then pass out.
Like father, like son, they just had to be dramatic
Neither of these men are prepared for the Underworld Saga
Neither of these men are prepared for the remade Polyphemus saga (or the thunder saga)
@@currentlyhidinginurwallz 💀
The first time I listened to Survive it was strictly audio and I didn't realize the first "captain..." was our sweet boy. So for the rest of the Cyclops saga I kept waiting for Polites to say something and I felt so much dread. so I watched this very animatic and it ruined my life 😭😭😭 devastated for you both but looking forward to the reaction!
oof. same here
Dude same
OMG SAME 😭💔
I was confused too! Up until the Ocean Saga when that got cleared up
yes same here i didnt notice it was polities and was confused when they said “everything changed since polities” and wondered when did he die?
23:04 I feel like he's thinking "Those Lotus Eaters knew about this guy, didn't they? Lying little jerks."
Well. They didn’t lie. One tried to warn them. But he didn’t hear it
I feel like the "I'm so glad we see eye to eye." comment really didn't help Odysseus's attempt to get out of this situation with no bloodshed.
Let's not forget that they'd already killed The Favorite Sheep. There had already been bloodshed. The basically rolled up to this man's house, shot his dog, and said "Hey we can settle this peacefully, I got a sixpack in my backseat, you can have one and no violence needs to happen"
@@LyrictheFilthyCasual I mean, they didn't know the sheep belonged to anyone or that the cave was inhabited. Odysseus unintentionally (or intentionally, Idk) made an eye joke to a cyclops's face. 😂
Every time he says that lyric I say "eyes to eye" instead of "eye to eye" bc I'm problematic
Mort first going "oh wow can you imagine he died haha thatd be so sad luckily he's still standing" and then revealing he showed him my light before this?
Villain.
"what is Jorge's twitter" had me dying!!! 😂😂😂😂
Him having the exact same face as Odysseus after seeing polites die is flawlessly tragic
THIS
The pancake saga 🥰🥞
Uncalled for 😂
Nooooo 😂😂
hOW DARE YOU
Lol the same thing could be true for Just A Man 🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
stop 😭😭
He is NOT ready for this song. 😭😭😭
He don't care
"My favorite sheep." Odysseus will eventually get a taste of that medicine (somewhat) when he returns to Ithaca. Jay said that Odysseus's dog Argos isn't directly mentioned in the music, but he wants the dog to appear once in one of Telemachus's songs.
"and then I NEVER want to see that dog again"
@@beanfroggie9890😊
What did the dog ever do to Jay😭
@@IvanIsYda_I mean to be fair if we ever saw the dog after that it would be to see him die. So we're lucky we don't get to see that.
@@voidfloof …okay thinking about it that way, yea you’re right
Okay but Mortius dramatically lipsyncing during Polyphemus is *such* a mood and totally me when I'm introducing my friends to new music/covers 😂
32:09 the smile drop omg😭😭
I KNOW 😭😭😭😭😭
I don't think he's ready for Remember Them and My Goodbye.
The underworld saga is gonna completely obliterate them
@@Crystal-lz6bm oh no. Wait until the end of the Ocean Saga. Bro is gonna LOSE IT when he meets YOU-KNOW-WHO!!!!!
Welcome to the genre of Tragedy, where the good die early and the heroes lose to themselves.
The fact that Jorge memes the Polities trauma is kinda low key funny and heartbreaking
I'm placing this comment on Casper's video too, but a little Greek insight to Remember Them.
In Greek belief, for someone to pass over the River Styx and make it to the Underworld, they have to pay the Ferryman, Charon. That payment is typically buried with their body.
There wasn't time to bury the fallen men. Odysseus knew his men and Polites would have no afterlife. He knew there was nothing he could do, except.. Remember Them.
Oh, damn
Gosh 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I believe the red eyes are symbolic to their willingness to kill. The cyclops started with red eyes, odysseus was first of the crew and he riled up the crew. Polites was the only one without the red eyes, instead white for peace.
The way his smile instantly fades when Polites dies 🥲
I saw another animatic that Polites died because Polyphemus was going to kill a lotus eater. He died protecting that lil' baby. Though I forgot whose animatic it was, I remember how heartbroken I was since it was also *the* animation that made it clear to me that Polites was the one who died first since I only listened to the audio.
36:11 MORTIUS YOU... YOU... HOW COULD YOU
Casper was so done and broken lmao "What's Jorge's twitter?" Just took me looooool running to his channel to see the rest this is AMAZING! Mortius you bad bad person you enjoyed every second of thus and you know it lol
"A Trade you see? Take from you like you took from me!"
8:39 one thing I haven’t heard anyone mention is that, in the context of raising animals, “favorite” means some combination of “this is the best one I have” and “this is the one I breed the most from” and “this is the First one I ever got” AND “this is my pet”.
Basically, Odysseus and crew killed Polyphemus’ Starter Pokemon. Just to make the Cyclopses response make more sense emotionally. That was something it took me about fifty listens to realize myself.
Man this musical is good.
I once read on insta a comment that said something like "If someone came into my house, killed my dog to EAT IT and then try to apologize by giving me a soda, I'll be pretty pissed too" so yeah, not cool Odysseus, you killed his pet so that's what u get 🤷🏻♀️
That's a fucking horrible comparison. How is finding sheep you thought were wild and killing them to eat, only for them to have an owner who was eventually going to eat them, you offer barrels of wine as compensation and the owner accepts just to decide to kill and eat you a viable comparison to that. the only way such a comparison would be even close is if you 1. are living out in the woods or a cave instead of a house 2. were going to eat the dog yourself 3. they offered you a few bottles of expensive wine and 4. you decided to eat the person who did it after accepting the wine.
@@gun506 in Greece wine was pretty common, so basically Odysseus killed his livestock (or pet in Polyphemus's eyes), and offered him a cheap can of beer as compensation, and there is no way Odysseuys thought they were wild because they were in a cave filled with food and supplies
@@notavegan3 He literally has the line right after they killed it about how all these sheep gathered is too good to be true and they are in a dark cave, even if there were other supplies or food in there they clearly didn't see it or notice it until after they already killed them. We have easy access to wine as well does that automatically make a bottle of expensive wine equal to a cheap can of beer? There's no way in hell you can seriously look at this and be like yeah these two things are basically the exact same situation with the same circumstances.
@@gun506 I think you underestimate just how common it is to use caves as sheep pens, especially where house-building materials are scarce. They weren't roaming wild in the field. They were in a cave stocked with food. "Look at all this food, look at all these sheep. I can't believe this cave has all this for us to keep." Now, let's see it from the Cyclops' single-eyed point of view. Humans are a food source, like a pig or cow. A human just came into my house, planned to plunder all of my food, and even killed my pet with plans to eat it. This is like if a wild pig came into my property, ransacked my vegetable garden, and killed my dog. True story, this actually happened to my cousin in Louisiana. Guess what he did: he shot the pig and had pork chops for dinner and bacon for breakfast.
@@rhov-anion I'm not even going to argue this anymore. I really can't be bothered to see this as a viable comparison and clearly you guys think differently. So anymore talk on this would just be a waste of both of our time.
When he suddenly said "What's Jorge's Twitter?" Got me so bad 😆 you know he is not happy on this one 😭☝🏻
Im sure mortius already knows, but I recently put together that Polyphemus and Poseidon has musical similarities in that they both have their names chanted in their introduction.
That's something Jorge has mentioned the reasoning for if I saw correctly. He was inspired by iirc the music in the Kingdom Hearts game series, where the boss battles had epic music. So he decided to have the "Boss" battles Odysseus faces have the "Boss's" name said in the background to make it just that more epic and memorable.
The fact that Poseidon has his name being chant in the danger motif is pretty cool. I don't know about Polyphemus tho.
@@adamharith782 you can hear it at the start of survive, slow, dark and ominous .• ~PoOo- lyy- phEee- muuus!~•
@@adamharith782 they're both chanted in the danger motif
39:30
Going through depression rather…
*casper thinking really hard*
WHATS JORGE’S TWEETER?!
I LOVE CASPER SO MYCH OMG!!!
When the cyclops said “you shall be the final man to die” and Casper’s smile dropped
God I love that we all have the same reaction. The immediate. “No no no, there’s no way it’s too soon” trying to find anyway for him to not be gone followed by just IMMEDIATE devastation
fun fact: Polites didn't even die in the fight with Polyphemus in the odyssey.
He died later, in what is saga 6 of EPIC
The way Survive frames it the cyclops sees Oddy be lifted up by Polites, the zoom in and then shortly after he becomes the first death. I wonder if the animatic is framing it as the cyclops notices they have a stronger bond then most and goes after Polites with the intent of cause as much harm as possible to the man who in his eye wronged him more than any other.
He *did* say that he was going to take from Odysseus what Odysseus took from him. Polites is his favorite. So it makes sense for that moment to mark him as the one that would hurt the most to lose. 💔
36:10 you really start your villain saga with that last word you just said now. We know he does not know you are a villain (continue to be this way 🙏 )
The way his smile faded when he saw polities's glasses shattered realizing he died😭
32:12 That face drop and smile of glee is hilarious
HIM STARING AT THE CAMERA IN THE END LMAO
Wait. I just realised…
Mortius’ comment about Polyphemus’ line of “‘Nobody’ will be the last one to die”…
That arguably functions as a prophecy here.
Because indeed, Odysseus ultimately ends up being the only survivor… So out of all of his men, he really is ‘the final man to die’.
Also, Polyphemus being voiced by Jorge through a filter (without the intention for another voice actor to be cast later, as with Zeus) is its own kind of foreshadowing of Odysseus becoming monstrous himself later, reflecting Polyphemus (the ‘filter’ in his transformation being all the crap he goes through).
18:10
"You shall be the final one..."
His face: 😃
*"TO DIE."*
His face: 😧
Actually Polites is mentioned only twice in the Odyssey, once when Odysseus is recounting his companions and dubs him as "his closest friend" and the other when they're exploring Circe's island. That's it. That's his character. All the rest is Jay's thing.
24:26 I also perceived this as the infant being a (potential) future enemy that is the son of a present enemy and the cyclops being a present enemy who’s the son of a future enemy.
"I LOVE Polites!" To "Life and existence is pain and suffering."
39:34 well..welcome to the Epic saga :"DD
"I hope Polites has a good life" stares in [spoilers] saga. oh he's gonna enjoy that song when you get to it
32:07 the way his smile immediately fades once he realizes what happened is so funny
Oh also if you noticed!
Before Polites gets struck down, he is facing away from the cyclops(he turns around just before getting flattened).
He dies partially because of his refusal to participate.
The video picture and title leads me to believe CFR is as emotionally devastated as I think you might have been the first time watching Survive /lh
The verses in survive have the same tune as zeus in the horse and the infant, which is cool since zeus was the one giving instructions before but now Odysseus is in the same tune
I've seen mircsy's animatic several times, but I never noticed until now that Polites actively throws down his sword. 😭
okay i’m not even five minutes into the video, and i just have to say: showing him “your light” RIGHT before “survive” is SO RUDE and i love it lmao
there is a saying that the biggest heroes are also the biggest villians. it just depends on from what perspective you look at them.
heroes sometimes have a higher kill count than the villain of the story.
Fun fact: In the Odyssey, Polites actually survives the encounter with the Cyclops.
Jorge did this just to hurt you.
I just realized something. In Polyphemus, Odysseus says "Why would the lotus eaters pass up on all this food" as if there's no possibility that they just prefer Lotus because they've been mind controlled by it.
I’m so sorry you had to go through this, but it’s a rite of passage. So now, Welcome to the Tauma Train driven by Mr. Jalapeño.
32:08 Why is it so funny to see other people so traumatized? Seriously, I think I need help! I started giggling at 33:22!
36:10
YOU
YOUUUUUUUUUU
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID
RIGHT THERE
By ancient Greek standards Polyphemus's violations were even more egregious, with him in the wrong and violating xenia from the beginning.
But by modern standards he was still in the wrong after he accepted the wine.
Odysseus stated the terms for him receiving the wine were them leaving alive. By drinking the wine he accepted those terms, only to immediately change them and decide he was going to kill all of them.
That makes him a thief as well as a murderer, using the personal injury he received as justification.
To remain sympathetic and on the right side of things morally he would have had to decline the wine and refuse the terms, citing the fact they weren't enough compensation.
"can you imagine??"
All of us watching and Mortius in his brain: 😬😬😬😬😬
Who should tell him? 😬
Your uploads give me so much genuine happiness it’s crazy. I love your absolutely evil laughter. The way his face just dropped at the word ‘Die’ in Survive, you could *feel* the ‘oh shit’ going through his mind.
Random thought 25:19
Maybe it was choice made because Zeus is also the God of hospitality, since they entered the Cyclops home.
Oh this is going to hit hard…
(Especially for our sunshine boy)
16:16 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT MIRSCY'S GENIUS. THIS FRICKING SILHOUETTE IS ATHENA. ABSOLUTE GENIUS.
OMG Gigi is going to upload her Monster animation!! must have it in your reaction of the underworld said he was going to connect it with his animation of The Horse and the Infant!
By the way, I'm loving these new collaborative reactions. It's great to see you being able to contribute new information now that you're involved in the fandom and Casper's reactions are so genuine and destroyed haha
Mortius you did Casper so dirty.. that was so cruel. I couldn't stop cackling.... then you had the audacity to call back Ruthlessness though he doesn't know it yet....
Mr jalapeño really puts a kick in his songs😭
Even knowing it had to be coming from the first few lines he has due to general genre awareness, that first named character casualty hits like a ton of bricks. It just goes to show what an incredible job the music and the art do together to pull you into these people's stories and make you care about them even if you know it's gonna sting.
side note: As someone with a background in raising herd animals(never had sheep myself but I had friends and neighbors who did, while I grew up around my mother's horses, and my brother and I raised goats, which are kind of similar to sheep but more independent and sassy) you really do reach a point, very quickly, where they are individuals to you and also your babies, and you will fight any and all threats to their safety, up to and including god, with your teeth and fists if that's all that's handy.
So while I don't agree with his methods, I 100% understand where Polyphemus is coming from in this saga, and it's not so much cyclops behavior as it is average farmer/shepherd behavior. That's just how it is. You defend your flock or herd to the best of your ability, because they need you and they trust you. To be fair, at this point, that's what Odysseus is doing, too.
The transition from Polyphemus to Survive is like a horror game,
New Objective:
*Survive.*
OH. He is not ready
This is truly Mortius' villain arc
Showing him "Your Light" before this is RUTHLESS
I love that they are doing this together ❤️ it’s always better to suffer with a friend
"NO DYING ON ME NOW"
Well some of them didn't get the memo
You are eeeeeeeeeeeevil, Mortius! Evil I say! xD that poor man (hehehehe)
oh god that little message at the start has me weezing while at the same time want to cry
19:22 I don't think that's it. I think he was insulted by the trade, overhyped wine for his favorite pet, so he decided to punish Odysseus further, echoing his father.
Yeah I think that's where he was coming from too. Interesting to me though, by drinking it without expressing that sentiment, he lost the moral high ground. Drinking it meant he accepted the terms, and then went back on them.
If he had refused the wine then by some modern standards he would have been in the right to take at least Odysseus' life in exchange for the harm done to him, but because he drank that wine he became in the wrong.
@@feistsorcerer2251 @sora9138 had something interesting to say assuming they're right. My interpretation could be completely wrong at least for the actual Odyssey, I might still be right for the musical.
@@somedudewatchintv5297 Yeah they have a really good comment from an Odyssey and Greek history standpoint.
I wonder if Jay has elaborated about that moment wrt Epic in any of his behind the scenes stuff, because I still think your interpretation holds a lot of merit for the tone of things in Epic.
I went back to look for the horns on his shadow you mentioned in "Polyphemus", and for those who didn't see it at first like I didn't, 16:16 is where it's at.
The beauty of wanting to not suffer alone :D
I am scared what his reaction will be on the underworld saga...
He won't Survive. (I wasn't originally intending that to be a pun, but then I looked back at the title.)
Are we bad people for looking forward to his reaction to Polites dying? Love these videos
5:30 i've never seen your light either and just had to pause and watch it real quick and man🥲 now i'm crying even harder at his death why would they do this to us shshsh i really wish it wasn't cut and was kept in it's such a sweet songg T^T thanks for bringing it to my attention man! I'll have to listen to it moee often😩👌
Canonically, Polities believes in Open Arms until the very end,,, (spoilers ahead)
It was confirmed in the underworld saga when Odysseus met Polities there. What the ghosts were singing represented their last thoughts (which is confirmed by Jay), and Polities sings Open Arms
OH NOOOOOO
The fact we all took a moment of silence for Polites
It really shows how wonderfully Epic is written and sang that a character we've known for just a few minutes can have this big of an impact.
"Going through depression, rather"- as he looks devastated. Immediately followed by "whats Jorge's twitter" had me laughing
Casper: *literal fvking mental breakdown sobbing crying dying*
Mortius: *TEEHEEHEE*
He’ll definitely won’t survive this