If you listen to Zeus's part on The Horse and The Infant again, Odysseus kind of takes that same rhythmff at a faster tempo in the beginning of this song
Actually, truth be told the original Odyssey.Polites was still alive when the met Circe Meaning Jorge went out of his way to make the odyssey more traumatizing I don't know if it was cruel or a Mercy considering what happens later on. Not sure if they ever say his fate in the original Odyssey Think he just lost relevance at 1 point and was forgotten about him.
OK, so I found out his fate in the Odyssey.Yeah, It was best.He killed him when he did.He did not deserve to be killed by Scylla 😬Since he didn't even betray him he was just collateral of her
5:18 I think mircsy put the visual of the baby there to signify how Odysseus justified killing the baby by the same way he's thinking about killing Polyphemus, which is that "it's just one life to take then our journey's over"
I love how Odysseus stops singing once Polites dies. There's a full minute left to the song, but after Polites' death he simply disappears, even when we hear his crew desperately beg for a new plan/orders Such a good way to show the _devastating_ blow this man just had The audio journey of this song is just fantastic (it's certainly a top 3 song for me) But mirscy's visuals simply take no prisoners, their animatic is absolutely Amazing.
Love how you paused right before the impact and were so thrilled about vocal performance but then you went back and the impact hit. I was laughing and hurting with ya. Don’t worry it gets better eventually
It's *mad* how everyone I've seen (Mortius, CF, Jen) all absolutely breaks after Polites sang them one song (that weren't cut). Just goes to show Jay's absolute genius 🤣
I really like how the line “That is who we’re fighting” is the SAME rhythm to Zeus’ line “I don’t think you’re ready” in the song “The Horse and the Infant”. Because.. I mean… must I say more? It’s just SO well thought out. I love this musical.
Just realized that his "our foe must be thwarted here and now" is a call back to when Zeus said the same thing about the baby to Odysseus in The Horse, particularly the "here and now" is the exact same melody.
12:40 -- Oooh why did that single sob and teardrop hurt even more than Casper emotionally breaking while Mortius cried? Maybe because Casper had Mortius there to comfort him while you're sitting there alone. It hurts more to watch. Casper, just yourself this: "When does a man become a monster?" Now look in a mirror.
A big thing with this is odysseus also just freezes up because this is the first time any of his men have died. Not only that but they are such sudden and brutal deaths that he just can not think at that point
It's not just that, it's also the fact that Polites was literally his best friend. Who he watches get murdered in a horrifically brutal manner. Watching your closest friend get crushed feet away from you would be, I think, more traumatizing than just losing your first soldier. It's even worse that the first soldier that dies IS his best friend.
@@WittySomething Jay also said the first whack sent Polites flying, he was still alive when he called out "captain..". It was the second whack that smashed him.
If you wondering how many men went in the cave there were 12 and now six people survive. For 588 men they just waiting on the boats not knowing what happening.
Well I don't know but I supose that the crew of odysseus ship was like 50 men because there are 12 ships so it would be logical to be 50 persons pero ship, but I don't know if Im wrong.
There's a possibility of 50 men (including Eurylochous, Polites, and Odysseus) being sent to steal Polyphemus' sheeps. I heard that Polities was struck twice (one injured him, the next killed him) If we go by the logic of one death per smack after that, 13 men died. But I suppose in canon Odyssey, he gets 7 casualties.
oh just to make things worse Jorge shared what he was thinking happen during the scene and polites gets hit with the club landing in front of Odysseus then he says captain before boom he is hit a second time so yeah enjoy the pain the whole fandom feels-
I hope you also notice how the songs are interconnected by the lyrics, for example "our foe must be thwarted right here and now" it's a direct reprise of Zeus's prophecy in the horse and the infant, "six hundred lives at stake" is a reprise of "six hundred men!" from full speed ahead etc etc The whole musical is full of reprises of previous song, it's just amazing
God its even worse knowing you watched "Your light." When I first listened to this i didn't really know the characters so when i heard "captain." i didn't realize who died, and then when i went back through it all with your light in the mix i was BALLING my eyes out.
9:50 - I only just noticed when you sang it, the "Push foooooorward" starts with the same notes as "The Phaaaaaaaantom of the Opera is here". There is absolutely nothing in this revelation, just made me go "huh, never spotted that."
4:14 Seeing Polites enter what can only be described as 'kill mode' is terrifying... and sad. And I love that almost everyone is depicted pretty inhuman in this animatic... except for a few key moments. In the Iliad Polites doesn't die here... but my god if this isn't a good narrative place for it, and I hate Jorge for making Polites so gods damned lovable!
Sigh* Its just too bad that Jorge likes pancakes Also to people who don't understand the pancakes thing, jorge, in his act one recap, said that polites died because he 'liked pancakes'
Well... Here we go. Welcome to Epic, the emotional damage musical. We'll all miss our boy Polites. Rip. And also, i am in love with your voice and reactions to these. I hope you have a nice day Jenn, and I am so sorry for the ✨auditory trauma✨
So the « it’s just one life to take » with the visual of the infant from the Troy saga was kinda Ody drawing parallels between them having to get rid of Polyphemus(just 1 life) and him being forced to drop the baby from the wall(it’s just 1 life) 😇 Or at least that’s how I interpreted it
It's amazing how someone who only got like...one song and then some lines in one before that made us all emotionally traumatized when he was yeeted into the Underworld. Also yes, Jorge has confirmed that Odysseus does drop the baby at the end of Just a Man.
Jorge released new versions of the Troy and Cyclops Sagas more recently and I prefer the new Cyclops Saga because they sang them all from scratch and the screams and cries are more realistic. it's so well done! Sorry it made you cry tho
It kinda is... Jorge elluded to the fate of the child throughout act 1 and when he sang "Monster" he purposefully emphasized "and if I have to drop another infant from a wall" to add that shock value. If you read the odyssey we know the baby died but if you didnt and if EPIC is your first time touching odyssey... Jorge did that on purpose to let people know "Yeah.... Ody ain't the good guy anymore"
@K1NG0FW0LV35 well, there are no "good guys" in Greek Mythology. In Greek Stories, might makes right. Because if not, let's look at this from a more moral stand point. Polyphemus is confirmed to be a young/child Cyclops as well as suffering from being a runt/dwarf of a Cyclops. So the other Cyclopi abuse him. The sheep are given to him by Poseidon to be his ONLY FRIENDS. And Odysseus comes in, kills his pet, DRUGS A CHILD, further cripples/mutilates a child, and then walks away like he's a hero. But the Baby's death honestly is the most moral of his various actions honestly. It's the whole, "If you had a time machine, would you kill baby Hitler" thing. The baby would grow up to kill everyone in Ithica and kill all of Odysseus' family. So him killing the baby so that wouldn't happen is probably the least bad thing he does. And in the original myth, Odysseus doesn't even question it. He kinda just goes through killing and destroying with no moral quandries (again, might made right in those stories). Epic is meant to be more modern and adds more weight/morals to the choices
@@bradleybarnett1469 thats essentially what I was trying to say but I didnt really word it properly. Thank you. Jay even said that certain parts of the musical stray drastically from the odyssey.... For example if I remember correctly... He didnt reject Circe's advances.... And he actually had a child with Circe... And Calypso.... Our boy slept around.
@K1NG0FW0LV35 TO BE FAIR... Those are kinda the moments you have to feel the most bad. Circle specifically tells him, "If you don't sleep with me, your men will stay pigs forever" and Calupso tells him if he sleeps with her, she'll get him off the island (a ball faced lie). It's kinda bad (although in Greek mythology, SA happens all the fucking time)
Just found your videos today and the second you got attached to Polites, I knew what was going to happen 😭 If it's any consolation, we feel your pain ❤
Hello, late to the party. I love how your mic pick ups every noice you make with your mouth between words, its such a pleasant experience. Amazing reaction also! Im having a blast, its like experiencing Epic again!
2:37 let's hope the ending is going to make me feel good about continuing the cyclops saga.....yeah will very much yeah!!! yayyy (Sarcasm) 7:41 "Crunchy" "My songs are crunchy and punchy" the man himself the myth the mango master has said this himself 12:40 ....I know same
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Hope you didn't like Polites...
If you listen to Zeus's part on The Horse and The Infant again, Odysseus kind of takes that same rhythmff at a faster tempo in the beginning of this song
im sorry little one
Wet Thanos, I guess.
Hades but wet from tears
Killed by one eyed hades
What's Jorge's Twitter?! 😂
Mortius’ villain arc is over-it’s Casper’s turn now😭😭😭
12:45 "no" at this point is just a canon event that whenever polite's death comes the reaction will be instant denial
They say the first stage of grief is Shock and Denial... Guess it's true!
Actually, truth be told the original Odyssey.Polites was still alive when the met Circe Meaning Jorge went out of his way to make the odyssey more traumatizing I don't know if it was cruel or a Mercy considering what happens later on. Not sure if they ever say his fate in the original Odyssey Think he just lost relevance at 1 point and was forgotten about him.
OK, so I found out his fate in the Odyssey.Yeah, It was best.He killed him when he did.He did not deserve to be killed by Scylla 😬Since he didn't even betray him he was just collateral of her
Emotional Damage the Musical
Yes
In my head canon Polythemus double taps Polites :x
Yes, this is the perfect description of EPIC
(The E in 'EPIC' stands for emotional damage and you can't convince me otherwise)
@@VegaTheLyra Then P stands for Polites
@@felixyuutsu8214 yes
"Are we gonna get flash backs with polites?" People who have watched the whole act: "You could call it that...😅"
0:03 Jennifer: Let's hope the ending makes me feel good about continuing the Cyclops Saga
The _entire_ fandom knowing what happens:
Fr- I was like “oh- oh hon you are NOT ready for what’s about to happen😭”
I couldn't believe she just happened to pause RIGHT before the pancake, when I tell you I fully screamed
Wellcome to our traumatized crew 🙃
Ohh, my sweet summer child….
"I REALLY HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS TO MY BOY POLITES IN ACT 2" Cfreacts before this song.
5:18 I think mircsy put the visual of the baby there to signify how Odysseus justified killing the baby by the same way he's thinking about killing Polyphemus, which is that "it's just one life to take then our journey's over"
Being fair, if he'd followed through with that, it likely would have been the case.
Nobody is ever ready for Survive!
no he wasn't
@@fiamay1 Great job :)
I see what you doing
@@fiamay1 Well played friend, well played. 😆
I see what you did there 😂
I love how Odysseus stops singing once Polites dies. There's a full minute left to the song, but after Polites' death he simply disappears, even when we hear his crew desperately beg for a new plan/orders
Such a good way to show the _devastating_ blow this man just had
The audio journey of this song is just fantastic (it's certainly a top 3 song for me)
But mirscy's visuals simply take no prisoners, their animatic is absolutely Amazing.
Love how you paused right before the impact and were so thrilled about vocal performance but then you went back and the impact hit. I was laughing and hurting with ya. Don’t worry it gets better eventually
I… disagree
(It doesn't)
does it though?
no it doesn’t….
It's *mad* how everyone I've seen (Mortius, CF, Jen) all absolutely breaks after Polites sang them one song (that weren't cut). Just goes to show Jay's absolute genius 🤣
I just noticed that in this animation, Polites dies because he goes to save the scared Lotus Eater. 😭
Staaaaaawp😭
Absolutely brutalllllll
Right?!😭
This was exactly my reaction. It's devastating RIP polites
😭
He was the heart
Welcome to epic.
Precious will not Survive.
You have now joined the collective.
One of us, one of us! 😅 …We have emotional support stuffies. 🧸
Polyphemus is younger then most cyclops which explains why his response to losing his pet was so violent
Also no he’s not dead
My teacher said he was the youngest among all Cyclopes. He was only 3000 when Odysseus and crew found him.
@@roxyraccoon9126 yes and he was bullied because of that and the sheep his father gifted him were his only friends
@@Alin_1freally puts it into perspective if you think Odysseus and his crew went around stealing a boy's food and killing his pets
I really like how the line “That is who we’re fighting” is the SAME rhythm to Zeus’ line “I don’t think you’re ready” in the song “The Horse and the Infant”. Because.. I mean… must I say more? It’s just SO well thought out. I love this musical.
I dont think Polyphemus tricked us. I think he had his pet taken from him and was offered *wine* as an apology. Id kill Odysseus too
Just realized that his "our foe must be thwarted here and now" is a call back to when Zeus said the same thing about the baby to Odysseus in The Horse, particularly the "here and now" is the exact same melody.
yeah, the entire phrase is the same musically! it's such a fun little detail :)
12:40 -- Oooh why did that single sob and teardrop hurt even more than Casper emotionally breaking while Mortius cried? Maybe because Casper had Mortius there to comfort him while you're sitting there alone. It hurts more to watch.
Casper, just yourself this: "When does a man become a monster?" Now look in a mirror.
A big thing with this is odysseus also just freezes up because this is the first time any of his men have died. Not only that but they are such sudden and brutal deaths that he just can not think at that point
It's not just that, it's also the fact that Polites was literally his best friend. Who he watches get murdered in a horrifically brutal manner. Watching your closest friend get crushed feet away from you would be, I think, more traumatizing than just losing your first soldier.
It's even worse that the first soldier that dies IS his best friend.
@@WittySomething Jay also said the first whack sent Polites flying, he was still alive when he called out "captain..". It was the second whack that smashed him.
That 11:28 stop was on point perfection😢😅
I almost choked on my drink in surprise.
I was like “here it comes- oH??? OH nOoo shE doEsn’t knOww😭😭😭”
Hahaha oh I know NOW!😂
@@JenniferGlatzhofer LOL yup!
0:07 in the words of Luke Holt "I don't think you're ready"
The way so many people have gotten attached to this character is proof of how good this musical is.
The multi-stage realization of what just happened to Polites gets me good.
If you wondering how many men went in the cave there were 12 and now six people survive. For 588 men they just waiting on the boats not knowing what happening.
Well I don't know but I supose that the crew of odysseus ship was like 50 men because there are 12 ships so it would be logical to be 50 persons pero ship, but I don't know if Im wrong.
He loses 7 actually. I won't go into detail how we know the math works out because its a spoiler but we know he loses 7 men here.
@@Evnyofdeath he technically could lose more if they are from other ships in his fleet
There's a possibility of 50 men (including Eurylochous, Polites, and Odysseus) being sent to steal Polyphemus' sheeps.
I heard that Polities was struck twice (one injured him, the next killed him)
If we go by the logic of one death per smack after that, 13 men died.
But I suppose in canon Odyssey, he gets 7 casualties.
Scylla: six you say?
oh just to make things worse Jorge shared what he was thinking happen during the scene and polites gets hit with the club landing in front of Odysseus then he says captain before boom he is hit a second time so yeah enjoy the pain the whole fandom feels-
Aaahhh, that's even WORSE
No wonder Odysseus freezes/goes into shock until the beginning of "Remember Them"
Honestly my favorite part is that the chorus at the beginning and when they sing that is our enemy says POee-LYii-PHEee-MUSss
11:34 Oh nooo, what a place to pause at XD
Exactly my reaction "oooh that will not be good, nope nope"
Welcome to Depression the Musical, Jen!
Hope you will enjoy your stay further!
For it's only full speed ahead from here : D
Ha Ha Ha! "I am the wind, / twisting and turning! /"
I hope despite this horrible thing that happened in the song, you will still continue to react to Epic. I wish you good recovery
Oh I will. Steadily, but I will
This is a canon event. We can't interfere. 😢 in all seriousness, I hope you continue the series and look forward to your next video!
Oh my gosh!! I’ve listened to this song at least 70 times and I only JUST found out they’re chanting “Polyphemus” at the beginning!! So cool!!!
Alternate Playtitle = Epic: good luck in therapy
Sending metaphorical hugs to Jen for what she has gone through
11:34 a couple innocent moments before disaster.
12:46 Yup.
I hope you also notice how the songs are interconnected by the lyrics, for example "our foe must be thwarted right here and now" it's a direct reprise of Zeus's prophecy in the horse and the infant, "six hundred lives at stake" is a reprise of "six hundred men!" from full speed ahead etc etc
The whole musical is full of reprises of previous song, it's just amazing
the two things i was looking forward to your reaction to in this was the push forward part and polites death lol i knew those would be big for you
God its even worse knowing you watched "Your light." When I first listened to this i didn't really know the characters so when i heard "captain." i didn't realize who died, and then when i went back through it all with your light in the mix i was BALLING my eyes out.
Therapy bills can be sent to Jorge xD
Thank you for using my animatic for the song analysis!
9:50 - I only just noticed when you sang it, the "Push foooooorward" starts with the same notes as "The Phaaaaaaaantom of the Opera is here".
There is absolutely nothing in this revelation, just made me go "huh, never spotted that."
Also, the chant says "PO-LY-PHE-MUS", the cyclops's name. Basically a boss theme.
4:14 Seeing Polites enter what can only be described as 'kill mode' is terrifying... and sad. And I love that almost everyone is depicted pretty inhuman in this animatic... except for a few key moments. In the Iliad Polites doesn't die here... but my god if this isn't a good narrative place for it, and I hate Jorge for making Polites so gods damned lovable!
Sigh* Its just too bad that Jorge likes pancakes
Also to people who don't understand the pancakes thing, jorge, in his act one recap, said that polites died because he 'liked pancakes'
The single tear was so real
Oh, if this is a blubberfest for you, I can't wait for you to see/hear the Underworld Saga. That was my blubberfest and I was at work XD
I still cry every time I listen to The Underworld, and I've listened to it a good number of times.
One of us...One of us...*tears*
"i wasn't emotionally ready" yeah none of us were 😭
Well... Here we go. Welcome to Epic, the emotional damage musical. We'll all miss our boy Polites. Rip. And also, i am in love with your voice and reactions to these. I hope you have a nice day Jenn, and I am so sorry for the ✨auditory trauma✨
Hi Jennifer hope you are having an great and awesome day 😂
So the « it’s just one life to take » with the visual of the infant from the Troy saga was kinda Ody drawing parallels between them having to get rid of Polyphemus(just 1 life) and him being forced to drop the baby from the wall(it’s just 1 life) 😇
Or at least that’s how I interpreted it
It's amazing how someone who only got like...one song and then some lines in one before that made us all emotionally traumatized when he was yeeted into the Underworld.
Also yes, Jorge has confirmed that Odysseus does drop the baby at the end of Just a Man.
12:12 it was so silent that you could hear the key board
the image of the child is a reference to the lyrics, cause it is just one life to take and then you are home free
Jen: Let’s hope the ending makes me feel good about continuing the Cyclops Saga
Me: 😬😬... ooh girl....
Oh you've seen Survive? Welcome to the club!
welcome to the club of being traumatized by polites death. complimentary tissues are on your way in
Great work Jennifer!!
Jorge released new versions of the Troy and Cyclops Sagas more recently and I prefer the new Cyclops Saga because they sang them all from scratch and the screams and cries are more realistic. it's so well done! Sorry it made you cry tho
The way I died when you paused right before...
Nobody survives Survive 😔
This is no spoiler. The baby got dropped. Splatted. 12 feet under
It kinda is... Jorge elluded to the fate of the child throughout act 1 and when he sang "Monster" he purposefully emphasized "and if I have to drop another infant from a wall" to add that shock value. If you read the odyssey we know the baby died but if you didnt and if EPIC is your first time touching odyssey... Jorge did that on purpose to let people know "Yeah.... Ody ain't the good guy anymore"
@K1NG0FW0LV35 well, there are no "good guys" in Greek Mythology. In Greek Stories, might makes right. Because if not, let's look at this from a more moral stand point. Polyphemus is confirmed to be a young/child Cyclops as well as suffering from being a runt/dwarf of a Cyclops. So the other Cyclopi abuse him. The sheep are given to him by Poseidon to be his ONLY FRIENDS. And Odysseus comes in, kills his pet, DRUGS A CHILD, further cripples/mutilates a child, and then walks away like he's a hero.
But the Baby's death honestly is the most moral of his various actions honestly. It's the whole, "If you had a time machine, would you kill baby Hitler" thing. The baby would grow up to kill everyone in Ithica and kill all of Odysseus' family. So him killing the baby so that wouldn't happen is probably the least bad thing he does. And in the original myth, Odysseus doesn't even question it. He kinda just goes through killing and destroying with no moral quandries (again, might made right in those stories). Epic is meant to be more modern and adds more weight/morals to the choices
@@K1NG0FW0LV35 just doing this so you're tagged and can see the message above
@@bradleybarnett1469 thats essentially what I was trying to say but I didnt really word it properly. Thank you. Jay even said that certain parts of the musical stray drastically from the odyssey.... For example if I remember correctly... He didnt reject Circe's advances.... And he actually had a child with Circe... And Calypso.... Our boy slept around.
@K1NG0FW0LV35 TO BE FAIR... Those are kinda the moments you have to feel the most bad. Circle specifically tells him, "If you don't sleep with me, your men will stay pigs forever" and Calupso tells him if he sleeps with her, she'll get him off the island (a ball faced lie). It's kinda bad (although in Greek mythology, SA happens all the fucking time)
that cyclops was the John Wick of this story, they killed his friend and he killed hundreds of people
Just found your videos today and the second you got attached to Polites, I knew what was going to happen 😭 If it's any consolation, we feel your pain ❤
Polites has my favorite (male) singing voice in Epic, I feel your pain.
😭
Hello, late to the party.
I love how your mic pick ups every noice you make with your mouth between words, its such a pleasant experience. Amazing reaction also! Im having a blast, its like experiencing Epic again!
the lotus eater is too cute 😊
also emotional damage the musical is wild lol
I noticed that the “right here and now” part has the exact same melody as Zeus’ “right here and now” in horse and the infant
Aaaand now you know why I only ever listen up until the end of the second chorus on this song
It's ok darling, we're togheter in this pain ♥️🥲
This was my introduction to Epic. Heard it with absolutely zero context at a friends bday party and went alright I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS
That is the creepiest-looking Cyclops I've ever seen drawn. ;A;
This my Favourite saga. ❤
oh also fun fact, Oddy's speech to his men is the same rhythm and lyric structure as Zeus gave to Oddy back in The Infant and the Horse :D
hmmmmm Pancakes with Strawberry syrup 😋
Welcome to the fandom 🫡
# 홧팅 🍒👍!!!
Time for pancakes!
2:37
let's hope the ending is going to make me feel good about continuing the cyclops saga.....yeah will very much yeah!!! yayyy (Sarcasm)
7:41 "Crunchy" "My songs are crunchy and punchy" the man himself the myth the mango master has said this himself
12:40 ....I know same
I wish you would do for example two songs in one video... :D
I likrd the beautiful womans reactionPlease give us your reaction to One Ok Rock from Japan.Vocal Takas voice is divine
aww Jen
Pancake Time!! 🥞🥳🎉 As the Fandom would say 🙃🫠.... 🙍
not to take away from the obvious devastation, but i truly do wonder how many reactors to epic know why the odyssey is called that
oh im so sorry-
You're only the second? Maybe third person i've seen cry, but it's totally reasonable- damn you Jorge 😭
And here is the start of the trauma saga
Slowly learning the meaning behind an odyssey
If I had a nickel for every time someone paused right at the Polites moment without noticing, I would have two nickels.
No aguardo do arco do submundo...
i imagine her reaction to the underworld lol
No one is ever ready for Polites.
Yeah He killed the baby 🫠
Damn, ifykyk what happen the whole Cyclops saga were bangers after bangers.
POLITESSSSS AHHHHH
600 men with 7 now dead leaving only 593 left
Pancake club
hah, get it?
I cried to
I watch reactions just to see people suffer with this one
Welp those are really flat open arms now
Greet those pancakes with open arms
Are these the old recordings of the musical?
*its a canon event.*