EXACTLY. If it's not the 4 ORIGINAL members I don't wanna go to their concerts. Same with toni Tony tone and Shai. It's got to be the ORIGINAL members.
They would most definitely get rich if they ever reunited! These days, they wouldn't have to deal with a record company or fancy production teams and Lord knows who ever else sticking their hands in their pockets and pulling out the amount of money they think they're owed out of your pockets
I pray that Dawn Robinson will get her royalties for her work. I’m sick and tired of hearing about singers getting screwed over by the music industry. The music industry has always been a huge joke.
How is other folks still trying to paint the music industry business real bad , compared to so many stores all over this world got a stupid thing going on with them , so many managers in so many stores either b getting threatened to hire : so many crooks, physocopaths, scammers , 🐍 snakes so many trouble makers, but yet folks still saying the music 🎶 business, movie business is the worst to b apart of !!!! Why so many folks do not look at how terrible the management teams are in so many terrible stores like these : super1 store in stupid marshall tx on eastend blvard, they actually have a black dude that harass 's certain black poor disable black women 🚺 and he has made trouble for other certain black dudes, but the management team doesn't care they know this dude b calling certain poor black women 🚺 the b word , he b cursing them out as well !!!! Look at that taco 🌮 bell 🛎 in stupid marshall tx , on eastend blvard how the management team actually tells homeless folks they can't come there to buy any food, hope closet also on eastend blvard in stupid marshall tx !!!! discriminate 's. Against certain poor struggling poor that is 70 year old !!!! Christine chastity lampkin t.v 😡😡😡😡😡😡🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😡😡😡😡😡😡🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😡😡🤦🏾♀️😡🤦🏾♀️😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒 Christine chastity lampkin t.v
Raphael Saadiq was very jealous of her attention in the group. He didn’t have her back financially and she lost her house. That’s jacked up! Ali was very nice to her than Raphael. I feel Dawn is better off solo than being in the group. I hope she and Raphael will make peace one day
Sadique was acting like a deva being jealous instead of focusing on their success, women are the spotlight as men we're the accessories I'm okay with that. Her outstanding beauty and vocal talent in no way diminished Raphael's talent it only enhanced the groups success.
She was on a show years ago called r&b divas. I remember her having a conversation with another cast member and she was basically talking about how she needs to be told what to do concerning her music, thats why she's on face time with raphael saadiq cause at one time he orchestrated how she would sound on a record when she was apart of "lucy pearl." She's has a beautiful voice, but so does most of our women. Notice how singer song writers like candy, Missy, and Mariah never seem to go broke.
They call Dawn weak and docile. She seems like the smartest to me me. She was speaking about the industry contracts when people were scared to. Very few people did she did and TLC did publicly. She stood for something when the rest accepted Penny's. Literally!
She stood for being a fool. The first time she was innocent. Then she said she didn't look at the details for the contract for Lucy Pearl. How many times are you gonna not learn your lesson? When you KNOW you are playing with snakes....
Awards represent accomplishment during a specific time period and awards are the statue of success! Better to get an award at some point in your life rather than none at all.Also, her being broke and homeless is a lie. The end of the video state her net worth is $500K but Google and other resources say her net worth is closer to 3 million.
I agree with you. Winning an award does not pay bills. To me, Awards, trophies, just sit there and collect dust. An award is just like having a degree, it can be useless and means nothing to no one but yourself.
She has a beautiful powerful and distinct voice. Her voice was En Vogue, the voice of the group. If the rest of the group members sided with her, they would have gotten a better contract and probably still be happy together touring and making money.
She should be paid with interest, I hate to see talent like that get screwed out of the hard work they put into only for someone else to benefit because they don’t have the talent.
That hurt me bad.....30 yrs ago I would laugh at my uncle telling me abt how his neck hurts bcuz he "slept wrong".....now I know exactly what he meant.....
She could have cashed out and left the life when she was in her 20's. She had the world at her beckin' call, and the most wealthy men would have married and taken care of her. Now all the inadequate decision making has compounded like Tetris blocks.
It's called "show business" for a reason. There is the "show" part which everybody loves, and the "business" side many don't take care of that deals with the MONEY. This is how a lot of them end up: "broke, busted, and disgusted." (Remember what happened to Toni Braxton, TLC, etc.) Record companies get these artists while they are young & naive, sell them a dream; and deliver a "nightmare." It is best to get your degree, career, skills, trade, or open your own business. No matter how "famous" you may be, when the bank calls there is only ONE song they singing: "B***h betta have my money!" (Rihanna)
Being pretty don't pay the bills. Everything that glitters ain't gold. Y'all give women too much credit just for looking good. Get a job, like the rest of us in tandem with your talent(s).
@@damnnative3188 and keeps telling the same story over and over. You can go back 10 years or so and she is saying the same thing. She hasn't figured it out by now? She is a singer. Anyone that knows about the music industry knows the writers and publishers make the money. If you are just singing, you get paid from a very small percentage of album sales and live shows.
@@sherriew36En Vogue still tours without her thanks to what her and the other 3 founding members built off their back, as well as performing the classic hits they released with her. Dawn walked away from En Vogue rightfully so, for the exact same reason Maxine did years later.
@@iampause Dawn should not have walked away. I understand what she says was the cause and the reason but she was too quick to walk. Her decisions were too rash. Yes, walk away from Walmart, McDonald's and other fly by night jobs and gigs but not a vocal group that was on their way to being one of the biggest Black groups EVER. Im a firm believer that it would have worked itself out. Even them working with Organized Noise and everyone else linked with "Don't Let Go (Love)". They were just learning and seeing that everything they touched was turning to gold (and platinum) and, to boot, one of their BIGGEST HITS didnt come from Tommy and Denny!!! That alone was an eye opening experience for them Im sure.
Dawn is in her own way. This lady has said she don't care what the fans want to see, she's not going to sing with En Vogue unless they give her an apology. Dawn is almost 60 yo and she would rather sit in her stubbornness in her mother's house than to suck it up and get money. And nowadays you get more money when you tour vs touring in the 90s.
I love Dawn Robinson and Envogue. I hope she bounces back. There is a reason they call it Show Business. You gotta be about the Business as much as you are about the show. Being naive in contracts is understandable, but to have it happen to you over and over again shows you may not be learning from your mistakes.
It still Fustrates me they were being treated like that... And end up being broke... I really miss Dawn and Maxime in Envouge.. Cause they were giving Envouge the Soul Funky Rocky sound... ( the real vibe)... I wish Dawn and Maxim all the Best... And May God Bless them open doors in the Entertainment that NO one can Close... 🙏🏼 ❤✌🏼From The Netherlands...
It's not En Vogue without Dawn and Maxine, it's some other creation. If the original members came together today, they would still do well. They are already iconic and have a firm legacy.
Hi dawn , always loved you and the group. Go to god, speak the word. Nothing in this world is stable or long lasting. Secure your place in heaven ❤🙌🏾✊🏿
She was smart enough to see that smt was wrong with the way her group was treated, and also smart enough to walk away. Unfortunately not walking off with a bigger cheque, but well.
No we don't. They get on code when it comes to Black Americans. Other melanated groups are just as on code as them folks when it comes to us .. that's simplistic .. it's deeper
I went to En Vogue’s 20th Anniversary here in Atlanta at Chastain Park and had a blast front row! Silk and Toni Tony Tone were special guests. The time of my life!!!❤❤❤❤❤
Fell in LOVE with the voices and Beauty of ALL OF THESE BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN. Sad to hear about all of the management and financial issues...but this age old theme appears to part of the music world. I will say, at some point, she has to accept some responsibility for not reading or understanding contracts. Fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice...well you know the rest. Wish her and all of these BEAUTIFUL Sisters peace in their lives!!
Who raised this woman? You don't trust anybody until they prove themselves trustworthy. Thinking someone is gonna have your back when it comes to helping with money is so delusional. Most people are gonna lie, especially after they've gotten what they need from you. Can't believe she didn't read the contract with Lucy Pearl after all the issues with the En Vogue contract
You are right. The Music Business SHOULDN'T be this way but it's been this way FOREVER. There's been TOO MANY people that have spoken out on bad contracts. There's been songs, movies and tv shows addressing how SLIMEY the Music Business is. I don't know why she's painting Dawn as "The Victim". She should have just made a video spotlighting the positive things in Dawn's career.
So you've got zero energy for Raphael Siddique? You just get to victim blaming straight away- gotcha. You probably the same pick me type to still support R Kelly.
She needs to pay more attention to what folks do than what they say. You should have asked Raphael for 6 months of her bills if he didn't have much up front money. THEN PAY MY BILLS UP TO 6 MONTHS AND WE CAN TALK AGAIN IN 4 MONTHS. Hello! No way should she have let him say he had her back with nothing to show, just talk then she lost her house. Please. Be smarter. Watch what they do not what they say.
It's so sad how black people did their own people wrong, taking their 💰 instead of helping them yes she didn't read contact but why black people take advantage instead of educating them
She "didn't read the contract" is not a footnote! Music executives are not there to educate people who refuse to read their contract. You can't get taken advantage of if you read some BS then have your agent and/or attorney negotiate until you're happy. She's guilty of not reading her contract MORE THAN ONCE and believing some dude when he told her he'd have her back if and when she needs some money. Uh. . .what a dummy!
They should bring in laws to protect artists from these corrupt music management companies. They need protecting because these are the same singers and artists who generate billions and we enjoy listening to day in and day out.
A law(s) would still not change anything in the music industry. It's all about reading and understanding the contract. So many artists and actors want their music and acting careers So Bad that they do not read the fine print and get good and trust worthy lawyers. Then years later they're screaming about how they did not get paid. Well...did they read the contract? TLC told their story all to well about this crooked music industry.
What our people need more than anything is to educate themselves in the business side of show. Not show business. The artist is the talent and must protect their own interests The music industry plays on most young entertainers youth and inexperience when negotiating contracts. Have a lawyer explain it to you until you understand it! Never sign a contract without knowing and understanding the terms. Had Dawn educated herself with the business side she may have come out better but complaining about money and contracts after they’re signed confirms she didn’t. I loved Dawn with En Vogue and Lucy Pearl and I believe she was not paid her worth. I wish her the best and hope that when it’s all said and done she comes out on top
What you need to do is educate yourself in understanding that we need to go independent if we don't want to be screwed over. These systems were not designed for us to create generational wealth off. And the ones that do, stay exploiting their own community i.e. Diddy, LA Reid etc.
So much talent. I have seen both EnVogue and Lucy Pearl live in concert. Dawn Robinson was a stand out talent in both groups. It's sad to hear these types of stories. Raphael Saadiq is still getting paid. He wrote Beyonce's latest song 16 Carriages.
That nothing new . One of the oldest tricks in the business. When new artists come on the scene the company had them push their age. Back. Sometimes 5 or 6 years.
Despite their pushing their ages back for the public, here is the true breakdown: Cindy Herron- Sept. 26, 1961 Maxine Jones- Jan. 16, 1962 Terry Ellis- Sept. 5, 1963 Dawn Robinson- Nov. 24, 1965 All information provided by: CA Dept. of Motor Vehicles (Herron) Patetson, NJ Eastside High School (Jones) Houston, TX Worthing High School and Prairie View A&M University (Ellis) San Leandro (CA) High School (Robinson).
I can tell and feel her spirituality, ahe was used and abused, she has a kind soul, a beautiful soul, and cares about humanity, she deserves the best out of her career ❤️
I would love to see the original members and the newest member, do what Salt n Peppa and SWV did and that is do a reality TV show putting the pieces back together and recording an album and then tour TOGHETHER with a new look and new attitude and contracts where they are all making that money, while securing their legacy I can even see them doing a Vegas Residency after touring together again! So PLEASE ladies, you owe it to yourselves and your legacy! GET IT TOGETHER!
Sounds like the problem is bigger than that. EnVogue sold millions of albums back in the day. Sounds like they were exploited financially by higher ups. Regardless of what she does with that group the pay isn't going to increase substantially from what she is saying. She said she walked away from making another studio album due to there being no financial benefit for her. Someone got paid big off of the group, it just was not the women in the group.
Who would believe anything she says?! This is a woman who refuses to read her contract time and time again. And, she lets a guy verbally tell her that he'll have her back when she needs money. She's a damn fool! Of course she's gonna say she left of her own accord because she knows her worth. Hogwash! Quick Dawn. . .what's 2 + 2? @@orlandorobinson9369
It is also EXTREMELY likely she exaggerates the money the girls made. It's impossible that she only got paid a couple pennies per album, it's literally illegal. I personally believe that they made 1000s of dollars per record sold, but Dawn was mad they weren't making six or seven digits, so she quit, lied about the pay and then convinced Maxine into following her lie.
This platform hopefulyi will give more credence to Dawn Robinson. Such a talent. What happened to her book, new music etc. Good luck and god blessed you🎉
When I was a kid, I loved Dawn out of all the members. She just always stood out to me. The industry is truly diabolical. So many artists were done dirty. In no way should she not be able to pay her bills from all she gave to the industry in the 90s-00's.
There's nothing spectacular about being cheated out of money by people who you thought you could trust. The same thing happened to JADE and TLC. Lord help these ladies cause no else are.
Dawn is one of my favorites. Unfortunately, the people who are getting all the money are the producers and not the artist. This is why many artists are now self producing their own albums so they can get the full benefits and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Before any business is done, every line in that contract should be dissected.
This story has been told so many times... Dawn and Max had many opportunities to make En Vogue a success again in 2010, but chosen to leave the group...
It is very sad. There’s definitely a difference between business and the talent to create art. It seems there’s so much more to this show business then we see from the outside. The business, pressures from substance abuse and sexual exploitation. It’s crazy . Not an easy place to navigate. Worst of all there’s no such thing as retirement. They make a little money and have nothing set up for the future. They have to consistently tour for the rest of their lives. I’m thinking about New Edition, TLC, SWV. This is very sad.
Nicely worded. Add George Clinton of Parliament to your list of entertainers with huge hits that still must tour due to lack of money needed to retire.
Hi Stardust Daily. I loved Dawn Robinson with Lucy Pearl the best❣️. Dance Tonight & Don't Mess With My Man were my two favorites. En Vogue was awesome as well, but Dawn & Rapheal won my heart💞💜💅💄💋🧸
Listen, En Vogue was EVERYTHING when I was growing up!! I literally thought I was one of the members...lol..Hold On was the jam!! They were so sexy and classy.
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Lucy Pearl was a TREMENDOUS collaboration. I was so so sad when they disbanded.
Me too
They were dope yet if they never broke up,we wouldn’t have gotten another A Tribe Called Quest album.
Me too!!! 😢
Blame Raphael
@@jeanemlicara very Hot group
The industry is so exploitative.I'm so sick of black artists being screwed out of money they're rightfully owed.
And other black artists exploit each other
Silvia Rhone was the reason of their spiral down...
Sick of the music industry.People that don't sing a note end up with all the money.
@@leemitchell4071who is she and how did she mess them up?
Give them yours
I wish the original members could get along and go out on tour.
I love each and every one of them.
Exactly. They need to do a reunion.
Yes. I feel the same!
EXACTLY. If it's not the 4 ORIGINAL members I don't wanna go to their concerts. Same with toni Tony tone and Shai. It's got to be the ORIGINAL members.
They would most definitely get rich if they ever reunited! These days, they wouldn't have to deal with a record company or fancy production teams and Lord knows who ever else sticking their hands in their pockets and pulling out the amount of money they think they're owed out of your pockets
@@kenyettaready absolutely agree. I'm not paying to see replacements.
Dawn Robinson is a “ SURVIVOR “ ‼️✌🏽💚✌🏽💚✌🏽
They may have been more successful had they signed with P Diddy.
@@emanualcarr7408No. Ask Total. They were signed to Bad Boy. Puffy did not do well by them.
Dawn's Calculator .... Is a Survivor !! (she never used it) ~ 📃
@@emanualcarr7408They came out before Puffy and had a highly successful career.
They need to read their contracts.@@reginaldblack8326
I pray that Dawn Robinson will get her royalties for her work. I’m sick and tired of hearing about singers getting screwed over by the music industry. The music industry has always been a huge joke.
What did she write or publish to get royalties? You don't get royalties for singing.
I still don’t understand how the music industry works. I love her with Lucy Pearl.
🙏🏾
How is other folks still trying to paint the music industry business real bad , compared to so many stores all over this world got a stupid thing going on with them , so many managers in so many stores either b getting threatened to hire : so many crooks, physocopaths, scammers , 🐍 snakes so many trouble makers, but yet folks still saying the music 🎶 business, movie business is the worst to b apart of !!!! Why so many folks do not look at how terrible the management teams are in so many terrible stores like these : super1 store in stupid marshall tx on eastend blvard, they actually have a black dude that harass 's certain black poor disable black women 🚺 and he has made trouble for other certain black dudes, but the management team doesn't care they know this dude b calling certain poor black women 🚺 the b word , he b cursing them out as well !!!! Look at that taco 🌮 bell 🛎 in stupid marshall tx , on eastend blvard how the management team actually tells homeless folks they can't come there to buy any food, hope closet also on eastend blvard in stupid marshall tx !!!! discriminate 's. Against certain poor struggling poor that is 70 year old !!!! Christine chastity lampkin t.v 😡😡😡😡😡😡🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😡😡😡😡😡😡🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😡😡🤦🏾♀️😡🤦🏾♀️😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒 Christine chastity lampkin t.v
Raphael Saadiq was very jealous of her attention in the group. He didn’t have her back financially and she lost her house. That’s jacked up! Ali was very nice to her than Raphael. I feel Dawn is better off solo than being in the group. I hope she and Raphael will make peace one day
She’s incredibly beautiful. It’s crazy that she’s 56 years old.
Hot as fish grease!
@@abvthlw indeed lol
No agism please. Women of all ages are beautiful and yes she is aging well.
No 56 is not crazy to believe. Came out as an artist over 30 years.
I thought she was younger!
I pray everything that is owed to her, comes to her! Her Voice, her Gift, was/is the group - frfr. Beautiful Lady. God's Blessings
Sadique was acting like a deva being jealous instead of focusing on their success, women are the spotlight as men we're the accessories I'm okay with that. Her outstanding beauty and vocal talent in no way diminished Raphael's talent it only enhanced the groups success.
@@vellman1128Facts
I pray that for all of the acts that have been exploited. It’s all so sad!
She has such an angelic speaking voice. But I will never give control of my ability to provide a living for myself in another human’s hands.
Well stated.
@@Itcouldallbesosimple45exactly
She was on a show years ago called r&b divas. I remember her having a conversation with another cast member and she was basically talking about how she needs to be told what to do concerning her music, thats why she's on face time with raphael saadiq cause at one time he orchestrated how she would sound on a record when she was apart of "lucy pearl." She's has a beautiful voice, but so does most of our women. Notice how singer song writers like candy, Missy, and Mariah never seem to go broke.
So the dude said he didn’t have the money but would think about something to pay her? 🤦♂️ She went from No money to No Money!
@@NoName-zm1ksexactly… hindsight is 20/20 but knowing he didn’t have ALOT of money to give… wouldn’t it have been best to not take that offer?
She stood out to me the most... hands down the best and most classiest female vocal group. So professional, too.
The industry doesn't want talent ...they want silence.
And the industry also wants sex slaves 🤷♀️
hello! I heard that.
Unless asked to speak
QUOTE &
Print this !!
They want control
Dawn sang lead on a lot of En Vogue's biggest hits. In a group where all the ladies can hold their own quiet well, Dawn still stood out.
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I miss the original 4😳☹️‼️
They call Dawn weak and docile. She seems like the smartest to me me. She was speaking about the industry contracts when people were scared to. Very few people did she did and TLC did publicly. She stood for something when the rest accepted Penny's. Literally!
Pennies better than no money
She stood for being a fool. The first time she was innocent. Then she said she didn't look at the details for the contract for Lucy Pearl. How many times are you gonna not learn your lesson? When you KNOW you are playing with snakes....
@@mwebster3265 Exactly. She takes no accountability for her mistakes
Riiiight. Let’s blame her completely. There’s clearly a predatory history in the music industry & THAT is the root cause of a lot of people’s problems
@@sha1841 I don’t blame her completely however it’s obvious she is part to blame for some of her mishaps
those awards mean nothing if you are now broke and homeless.
Awards represent accomplishment during a specific time period and awards are the statue of success! Better to get an award at some point in your life rather than none at all.Also, her being broke and homeless is a lie. The end of the video state her net worth is $500K but Google and other resources say her net worth is closer to 3 million.
I agree with you. Winning an award does not pay bills. To me, Awards, trophies, just sit there and collect dust. An award is just like having a degree, it can be useless and means nothing to no one but yourself.
you must be crazy asf fr fr.@@Spirit-Survival365
@@Cateutopiamaybe she can auction them off if she is dire need. Or she can start a GoFundMe.
She has a beautiful powerful and distinct voice. Her voice was En Vogue, the voice of the group. If the rest of the group members sided with her, they would have gotten a better contract and probably still be happy together touring and making money.
She was the sexiest and stood out to me as a teen. She was my favorite ❤
She was the best looking and the sexiest. She looks like Nia Long's twin.
????
Facts!
When talking about En Vogue, I always referred to her as "the pretty one"
@@The-Right-is-Right Her breasts just stopped me in my tracks every time.
She should be paid with interest, I hate to see talent like that get screwed out of the hard work they put into only for someone else to benefit because they don’t have the talent.
She blew many opportunities that were given to her and has a weird personality
@@stacyr4768 she’s an artist.
@carlosnuckols8470 she didnt "get screwed ". She voluntarily signed a bad contract. Big diff.
@@mrsx7944 screwed in the sense that she couldn’t renegotiate the contract like she wanted too.
@@mrsx7944 wrong that brotha had an obligation to treat her fair and he did her the way a white man would, he’s a sellout.
"Flashback to 3 decades ago..."
Dang!! I felt that in my lower back! 😞
Me too girl. Me too. 😂
Right
Felt it in my knees 😂😂
That hurt me bad.....30 yrs ago I would laugh at my uncle telling me abt how his neck hurts bcuz he "slept wrong".....now I know exactly what he meant.....
@@anitakomukama😂😂😂😂😂
She doesn't learn from her mistakes. Hire your own, reputable entertainment lawyer and make sure you understand the terms Before you sign.
Even then "Entertainment" Lawyers also try to get "points" off a record deal too! They don't always have your best interest at heart either.
She could have cashed out and left the life when she was in her 20's. She had the world at her beckin' call, and the most wealthy men would have married and taken care of her. Now all the inadequate decision making has compounded like Tetris blocks.
That cost money 💰
She has such a soft beautiful speaking voice
What a man what a man. That was the group for the ages. WIshing them all well. Excellent report!
Shes almost 60 and looks amazing! So talented. I hope she is able to heal and have the life she deserves🙏
It's called "show business" for a reason. There is the "show" part which everybody loves, and the "business" side many don't take care of that deals with the MONEY. This is how a lot of them end up: "broke, busted, and disgusted." (Remember what happened to Toni Braxton, TLC, etc.) Record companies get these artists while they are young & naive, sell them a dream; and deliver a "nightmare."
It is best to get your degree, career, skills, trade, or open your own business. No matter how "famous" you may be, when the bank calls there is only ONE song they singing: "B***h betta have my money!" (Rihanna)
Toni STILL hasn't learned her lesson!
She admitted not reading the contract. Lesson Learned get an attorney before you sign a contract. Royalties will be explained an🎉
Learn the business before you sign on the dotted line.
That's exactly what Mick Jagger and has been watching over his group since the beginning...his story is very interesting and educational.
Don't sign nothing without reading it
Dawn is so pretty. Envouge was my favorite female group.
That was REAL music back in da day! This garbage 2day ain't worth listening to!
Being pretty don't pay the bills. Everything that glitters ain't gold. Y'all give women too much credit just for looking good. Get a job, like the rest of us in tandem with your talent(s).
@@icharmprince sir get a life, this is my opinion and you’re way too invested in what others are doing
She is so beautiful
She was so so so special.
She knew her worth and refused to settle for b*s. Money matters.
So special, she is broke.
Yall shallow superficial women will learn the hard way like she did?
The love of money is the root of women’s evil
@@damnnative3188 and keeps telling the same story over and over. You can go back 10 years or so and she is saying the same thing. She hasn't figured it out by now? She is a singer. Anyone that knows about the music industry knows the writers and publishers make the money. If you are just singing, you get paid from a very small percentage of album sales and live shows.
If she *actually knew her worth,* she would've read and made sure she understood every contract she signed her name to.
After the financial trouble in En Vogue, she "admits didn't read the contract terms of Lucy Pearl" Really!
Right...that's on her‼️
She thought melanin would take care of melanin. Our people will do ya faster than anybody!!!
@@nitoduzit
So true 👍🏽 ‼️
He fed her bs and made her fall for the BS - selfish bm he is
I don't care how light or dark you are. . .READ YOUR F*CKING CONTRACT!!!@@nitoduzit
I met Dawn one day when she was out walking her little dog. She had a humble spirit and very soft spoken voice. I sensed no diva attitude at all.
A big thing I teach the kids at my job is to accept responsibilities for YOUR ACTIONS.
Yup. Obviously, SHE made bad decisions and ruined good relationships. En Vogue still tours without her.
@@sherriew36En Vogue still tours without her thanks to what her and the other 3 founding members built off their back, as well as performing the classic hits they released with her. Dawn walked away from En Vogue rightfully so, for the exact same reason Maxine did years later.
They had a BAD deal!!! What do you want her to do??? Keep working for PENNIES??🤦🏾♀️
@@sherriew36They had a BAD deal!!! You wanted her to stay earning PENNIES??? She was BROKE!
@@iampause Dawn should not have walked away. I understand what she says was the cause and the reason but she was too quick to walk. Her decisions were too rash. Yes, walk away from Walmart, McDonald's and other fly by night jobs and gigs but not a vocal group that was on their way to being one of the biggest Black groups EVER. Im a firm believer that it would have worked itself out. Even them working with Organized Noise and everyone else linked with "Don't Let Go (Love)". They were just learning and seeing that everything they touched was turning to gold (and platinum) and, to boot, one of their BIGGEST HITS didnt come from Tommy and Denny!!! That alone was an eye opening experience for them Im sure.
Dawn is in her own way. This lady has said she don't care what the fans want to see, she's not going to sing with En Vogue unless they give her an apology. Dawn is almost 60 yo and she would rather sit in her stubbornness in her mother's house than to suck it up and get money. And nowadays you get more money when you tour vs touring in the 90s.
"DON'T LET GO" doesn't sound the same without DAWN ROBINSON.
I love Dawn Robinson and Envogue. I hope she bounces back. There is a reason they call it Show Business. You gotta be about the Business as much as you are about the show. Being naive in contracts is understandable, but to have it happen to you over and over again shows you may not be learning from your mistakes.
In Dawn's case, never live life by promises! Always try to know for sure!
Envouge Need to get it together and make a come back. The original 4!! 🙏🙏
Exactly. Stop the bickering and get it together!!
Yes! Been praying for it.
@@danabenson4125 me too!!
I run into her twice a week She's always very sweet to me always with a smile on her face.
Just don't have her do any contract negotiations with you... she won't read it.
Dawn Robinson is a living legend! 🌟💐She was/is the best vocalist out both the groups even though I 💚 En Vogue and Lucy Pearl. I wish her much success!
These bad contracts are terrible. TLC told us about this.
Even before TLC, "we" learned about this.
She was amazing in the group En Vogue and with Lucy Pearl❤❤❤❤Wishing her the best of everything 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
She was always my favorite in the group
It still Fustrates me they were being treated like that...
And end up being broke...
I really miss Dawn and Maxime in Envouge..
Cause they were giving Envouge the Soul Funky Rocky sound... ( the real vibe)...
I wish Dawn and Maxim all the Best... And May God Bless them open doors in the Entertainment that NO one can Close... 🙏🏼
❤✌🏼From The Netherlands...
It's not En Vogue without Dawn and Maxine, it's some other creation. If the original members came together today, they would still do well. They are already iconic and have a firm legacy.
@@amajtheory fact..💯and indeed Iconic. 👌🏼❤️
This!
Dawn & Cindy are perfectly fine and are making plenty of money without her cause they didn't give up.
Hi dawn , always loved you and the group. Go to god, speak the word. Nothing in this world is stable or long lasting. Secure your place in heaven ❤🙌🏾✊🏿
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
This is the kind of woman I'd love to meet. So smart and organic.
Don't seem that smart....not reading contracts
I know. But I am referring to her outstanding talents, personal drive and overall contributions to music.@@meeksluv
She was smart enough to see that smt was wrong with the way her group was treated, and also smart enough to walk away. Unfortunately not walking off with a bigger cheque, but well.
I don't know but.. I always loved how dawn looked like a black kim basinger😂😂 every time I see see kim.. She black.. I tickle myself
Omg I see it!! Iconic!! 🔥
@@scorpionwarrior9179 u see it too😂😂
Don't insult Dawn
@@truthiscensored um.. Kim is gorgeous.. Are u ok
They do look alike 😊
This is so sad. I pray she will be okay, and eventually properly compensated for her awesome talent and hard work.
Prayer won't get her compensated; however, reading her contract will.
We treat our own just as bad as they do ..Greed is destroying this world...In 2024 we should be better than this.
No we don't. They get on code when it comes to Black Americans. Other melanated groups are just as on code as them folks when it comes to us .. that's simplistic .. it's deeper
Once you realize that no one truly has your back, that is when you truly understand how the world works... only then will you move accordingly.
I went to En Vogue’s 20th Anniversary here in Atlanta at Chastain Park and had a blast front row! Silk and Toni Tony Tone were special guests. The time of my life!!!❤❤❤❤❤
Fell in LOVE with the voices and Beauty of ALL OF THESE BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN. Sad to hear about all of the management and financial issues...but this age old theme appears to part of the music world. I will say, at some point, she has to accept some responsibility for not reading or understanding contracts. Fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice...well you know the rest.
Wish her and all of these BEAUTIFUL Sisters peace in their lives!!
She was always my favorite, wishing Dawn the best! 🫶🏽✨
Love those ladies still today..
I understand the 1st record deal being bad, maybe even the 2nd record deal being bad, but 3rd, 4th & more.... Absolutely not!!!
I had the same thought. I *CLEARLY* see a trend in the way she "operates."
Dawn robinson is the best singer. Please come back to us!!!!!
My gawwwd, she is *GORGEOUS*
Who raised this woman? You don't trust anybody until they prove themselves trustworthy. Thinking someone is gonna have your back when it comes to helping with money is so delusional. Most people are gonna lie, especially after they've gotten what they need from you. Can't believe she didn't read the contract with Lucy Pearl after all the issues with the En Vogue contract
Right. She seems incredibly naive.
Excuse me. Who raised you? Ever had to broker your talent? Right, cause you got none.
You are right. The Music Business SHOULDN'T be this way but it's been this way FOREVER. There's been TOO MANY people that have spoken out on bad contracts. There's been songs, movies and tv shows addressing how SLIMEY the Music Business is. I don't know why she's painting Dawn as "The Victim". She should have just made a video spotlighting the positive things in Dawn's career.
So you've got zero energy for Raphael Siddique? You just get to victim blaming straight away- gotcha. You probably the same pick me type to still support R Kelly.
She needs to pay more attention to what folks do than what they say. You should have asked Raphael for 6 months of her bills if he didn't have much up front money. THEN PAY MY BILLS UP TO 6 MONTHS AND WE CAN TALK AGAIN IN 4 MONTHS. Hello! No way should she have let him say he had her back with nothing to show, just talk then she lost her house. Please. Be smarter. Watch what they do not what they say.
I'm not surprised about En Vogue, they were signed to the plantation known as ATLANTIC Records🔋💀🥀
Knew her as a toddler stopping by on Coit street as her momma pushed her stroller in new london connecticut...be blessed Dawn❤
It's so sad how black people did their own people wrong, taking their 💰 instead of helping them yes she didn't read contact but why black people take advantage instead of educating them
Your correct, been saying that for years, they never educate them
She "didn't read the contract" is not a footnote! Music executives are not there to educate people who refuse to read their contract. You can't get taken advantage of if you read some BS then have your agent and/or attorney negotiate until you're happy. She's guilty of not reading her contract MORE THAN ONCE and believing some dude when he told her he'd have her back if and when she needs some money. Uh. . .what a dummy!
@@karenayers6793 wow yes she didn’t read again that’s why people like me educate my people instead of taking advantage of their ignorance
Do unto other as youu would expect the to do unto you!
@@karenayers6793well said
Dawn has always been the flyest of the group. I wish her much success. Keep holding on Dawn❤
They should bring in laws to protect artists from these corrupt music management companies. They need protecting because these are the same singers and artists who generate billions and we enjoy listening to day in and day out.
Exactly! I hope Congress takes a serious look and makes changes.
It's been going on for decades I don't see it happening 😮
Those laws already exist. It's called Kindergarten through 12th grade. Reading and Arithmatic will take you a long way in life.
A law(s) would still not change anything in the music industry. It's all about reading and understanding the contract. So many artists and actors want their music and acting careers So Bad that they do not read the fine print and get good and trust worthy lawyers. Then years later they're screaming about how they did not get paid. Well...did they read the contract? TLC told their story all to well about this crooked music industry.
@localmatterspodcastofgeorg3624 😂😂😂 Right. Cause ",congress" site around and trys to figure out how to help musicians. Uh huh. Wait for that.
What our people need more than anything is to educate themselves in the business side of show. Not show business. The artist is the talent and must protect their own interests The music industry plays on most young entertainers youth and inexperience when negotiating contracts. Have a lawyer explain it to you until you understand it! Never sign a contract without knowing and understanding the terms. Had Dawn educated herself with the business side she may have come out better but complaining about money and contracts after they’re signed confirms she didn’t. I loved Dawn with En Vogue and Lucy Pearl and I believe she was not paid her worth. I wish her the best and hope that when it’s all said and done she comes out on top
The problem is they get these people at a young age.
What you need to do is educate yourself in understanding that we need to go independent if we don't want to be screwed over. These systems were not designed for us to create generational wealth off. And the ones that do, stay exploiting their own community i.e. Diddy, LA Reid etc.
So much talent. I have seen both EnVogue and Lucy Pearl live in concert. Dawn Robinson was a stand out talent in both groups. It's sad to hear these types of stories. Raphael Saadiq is still getting paid. He wrote Beyonce's latest song 16 Carriages.
She is still the most unforgettable member since the first time I saw and heard Dawn. May God Bless and Keep Her Whole, from the inside out.
500k! I pray that triples year after year after year for generations to come.💖
She is very down to earth, very genuine and kind. She was one of my Instagram friends❤
For some reason i was really shocked to hear she was born in 1966.
Facts, she looks much younger😮❤
@@dede8089 She really does. She's a beautiful woman
That nothing new . One of the oldest tricks in the business. When new artists come on the scene the company had them push their age. Back. Sometimes 5 or 6 years.
@@garysmith8073I've always heard or read that , well that was her birth year, i don't believe or remember Ibever heard anything different at least
Despite their pushing their ages back for the public, here is the true breakdown:
Cindy Herron- Sept. 26, 1961
Maxine Jones- Jan. 16, 1962
Terry Ellis- Sept. 5, 1963
Dawn Robinson- Nov. 24, 1965
All information provided by:
CA Dept. of Motor Vehicles (Herron)
Patetson, NJ Eastside High School (Jones)
Houston, TX Worthing High School and Prairie View A&M University (Ellis)
San Leandro (CA) High School (Robinson).
She’s a force for sure! Fighting to get paid her worth!!!
I can tell and feel her spirituality, ahe was used and abused, she has a kind soul, a beautiful soul, and cares about humanity, she deserves the best out of her career ❤️
Dawn Robinson has and will always have my respect..I've seen her at some Independent artist workshops and gave out great advice...
Dawn has an amazing voice..
I would love to see the original members and the newest member, do what Salt n Peppa and SWV did and that is do a reality TV show putting the pieces back together and recording an album and then tour TOGHETHER with a new look and new attitude and contracts where they are all making that money, while securing their legacy I can even see them doing a Vegas Residency after touring together again! So PLEASE ladies, you owe it to yourselves and your legacy! GET IT TOGETHER!
Sounds like the problem is bigger than that. EnVogue sold millions of albums back in the day. Sounds like they were exploited financially by higher ups. Regardless of what she does with that group the pay isn't going to increase substantially from what she is saying. She said she walked away from making another studio album due to there being no financial benefit for her. Someone got paid big off of the group, it just was not the women in the group.
facts and you know by who
screwed by the wm behind the desk with a secretary with red lipstick and blonde hair that says he's in meetings all dayv
Who would believe anything she says?! This is a woman who refuses to read her contract time and time again. And, she lets a guy verbally tell her that he'll have her back when she needs money. She's a damn fool! Of course she's gonna say she left of her own accord because she knows her worth. Hogwash! Quick Dawn. . .what's 2 + 2? @@orlandorobinson9369
Dawn is the problem and plays the victim. As beautiful and talented as she is, she has a long track record of breakups, divorces, and quitting. Sad.
It is also EXTREMELY likely she exaggerates the money the girls made. It's impossible that she only got paid a couple pennies per album, it's literally illegal. I personally believe that they made 1000s of dollars per record sold, but Dawn was mad they weren't making six or seven digits, so she quit, lied about the pay and then convinced Maxine into following her lie.
She'll always be known for her voice AND her Beauty... She is Gorgeous 💖
Dawn's downfall was not being educated enough and cautious enough to read and understand the fine prints of the contracts she signed. Poor choices!!
I hope she gets ALL the good that’s coming to her. Blessings to her❤🙏🏽
Dawn, Nia Long, and the Fields sisters could play sisters in a movie
Funny this popped up on my feed…. I’ve been listening to Dance Tonight all week 🙂
I've been thinking bout the song and signing in my head as well as don't let go love and saw this. AI is getting out of hand.
Two pennies album deal-revoke royalties. Time to call lawyer and do an audit 😮
Yeah when I heard her say that, I was like wth?! 😮
This platform hopefulyi will give more credence to Dawn Robinson. Such a talent. What happened to her book, new music etc. Good luck and god blessed you🎉
When I was a kid, I loved Dawn out of all the members. She just always stood out to me. The industry is truly diabolical. So many artists were done dirty. In no way should she not be able to pay her bills from all she gave to the industry in the 90s-00's.
Dawn is amazing inside and out.
Dawn can stay with me anytime!❤️
I wish she could stay with me too frfr 😢
Reminds me of Kelis, and how Pharrell did her. Too many women in the industry have this same story.
This isn't exclusive to females, tons of men in the industry have the same story. This isn't something that is only unique to women.
This is sad. As an Oakland native, seeing En Vogue and the Toni's success was inspiring. Hope all is well with her.
i love her song we gonna dance tonight
There's nothing spectacular about being cheated out of money by people who you thought you could trust. The same thing happened to JADE and TLC. Lord help these ladies cause no else are.
Dawn is one of my favorites. Unfortunately, the people who are getting all the money are the producers and not the artist. This is why many artists are now self producing their own albums so they can get the full benefits and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Before any business is done, every line in that contract should be dissected.
Dawn has always been so beautiful to me, since I was a lil girl watching them on tv & she still is. Wishing you the best in life, Ms Robinson! 🫡 💛💛
Dawn probably my 2ndfavorite but Cindy always be #1 favorite in my opinion ❤️
This story has been told so many times... Dawn and Max had many opportunities to make En Vogue a success again in 2010, but chosen to leave the group...
It is very sad. There’s definitely a difference between business and the talent to create art. It seems there’s so much more to this show business then we see from the outside. The business, pressures from substance abuse and sexual exploitation. It’s crazy . Not an easy place to navigate. Worst of all there’s no such thing as retirement. They make a little money and have nothing set up for the future. They have to consistently tour for the rest of their lives. I’m thinking about New Edition, TLC, SWV. This is very sad.
Gotta blame themselves for looking through rose colored glasses and NOT hiring attorneys, and not saving or investing.
Nicely worded. Add George Clinton of Parliament to your list of entertainers with huge hits that still must tour due to lack of money needed to retire.
I love her style and her music I hope she gets everything that's owed to her.
Dawn was always my favorite ❤️
Hi Stardust Daily. I loved Dawn Robinson with Lucy Pearl the best❣️. Dance Tonight & Don't Mess With My Man were my two favorites. En Vogue was awesome as well, but Dawn & Rapheal won my heart💞💜💅💄💋🧸
Listen, En Vogue was EVERYTHING when I was growing up!! I literally thought I was one of the members...lol..Hold On was the jam!! They were so sexy and classy.
They were angelic. Outstanding in every way true artist. I miss their class
Love you dawn ❤❤
The young Dawn Robinson was probably the most beautiful black women I seen in my life.
She keeps it real 💯
SAD BEAUTIFUL TALENTED WOMEN THEY CAN SANG
I'm so TIRED 😴 of US doing each other WRONG 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
😢😢😢
True
You let it happen to you twice? Come on now, Dawn. Where’s the accountability?
Great band and Dawn was super hot. Miss them and my youth.
Healing prayers of prosperity for you Dawn you are loved worthy and deserved
❤❤❤