Unf*cking the World - Radical Hope for the Future || Jamie Wheal on Finding Mastery
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2022
- This week’s conversation is with Jamie Wheal, founder of The Flow Genome Project and author of Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex, and Death in a World That’s Lost Its Mind.
Jamie is one of the most brilliant thinkers I know - he has advised executives at some of the world’s leading companies (Deloitte, Red Bull, Google, Lululemon, Facebook, TD Ameritrade, Nike, and Goldman Sachs), and his work & ideas have been covered in The New York Times, Financial Times, Wired, Entrepreneur, Harvard Business Review, Forbes, Inc., and TED.
You may remember Jamie from his previous appearance on Finding Mastery back in 2017 where we discussed flow states and altered states of consciousness - that’s episode #67 if you’re looking to check it out.
This time around, we discuss some of Jamie’s most recent work where he takes radical research out of the extremes and applies it to the mainstream, exploring macro topics like where we are today, why it’s so hard to make sense of the world, what might be coming next, and what to do about it.
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In almost all instances of this kind of discussion, there's a futile psychocentricity to the way the problems are being defined, and virtually nothing about the institutionalization of agency via corporations, governments, schools, and religious institutions that are structured precisely to NOT care what the hell is going on for you subjectively. We could have a billion enlightened, loving, compassionate, wise etc. people, and military budgets and security-obsessed bellicosity would still outweigh the benevolence; nation-states would continue to run on their railroad tracks of zero-sum selfishness and macho, imperial egotism; religions would continue to embody the most regressive, toxic and rigidified versions of their traditions. The over-psychologization of the polycrisis is like passengers on the Titanic discussing how their mythopoetics can Un-crash the boat against the iceberg.
Jason Breshears has a brilliant take on History and Furture
Very interesting ride and some awesome masculine intellectual sparring! I have listened to this a few times it is so dense. I think they missed the heart of the issue though, possibly because of the male perspective. At about 53:00 the real Liebig’s Barrel black hole is identified: lack of trust-building in infant/toddler emotional development. If “Religion 3.0” mythopoetics is going to have a different result than all the other attempts, it would need to include a value structure that required males to brag to each other about how well they protect and support high quality caretaking of children during this 2 year trust-forming period. More narcissistic peacockery without addressing that root cause is not cause for radical hope. Maria Montessori had this right.
This seems to me to be an odd thing to focus on, perhaps indicating a bias? Might be more useful to think about narcissism in general and its effect on children rather than just the male form of it.
@@notgodzodyes good point. I am a woman so my view of the world has that fundamental bias. Don’t get me wrong, I love the piercing male spirit and sparring. I really do. But unbalanced it creates blindspots of galactic proportions.
This was an unbelievably insightful and helpful discussion. Thank you both so much. I’m going to keep showing up in the pumpkin patch.
i heard a lot of things that have said simply what i ramble on trying to simplify.. heard other things that resemble simple sentences i've written down and go by. It is personally reassuring to hear it elsewhere. My thoughts are floating around, so they're out there for grabs. keep noticing what you notice. gotta think you're goofing two quips for fun to catch 3 4 and 5 werent premeditated, they fit, and they 'play' right into something meaningful
I always enjoy riding the rapids of Jamie's brain but, given how otherwise well-informed he is, I was surprised that he seemed not to know, when the conversation turned to locality v. non-locality, that this year's Nobel Prize in physics went to a group who have established that reality is, in fact, non-local. Likely, then, he is also unaware of the work of Bernardo Kastrup and Don Hoffman, both of whose work I recommend whole-heartedly.
I love reading two those guys too, but dude, you've gone off the deep end. I mean when the last time non-locality showed up in your day to day experience? Do you have some special kind of glasses?
How the hell Jamie hasn't yet spoken with John Vervaeke?!
John only speaks to a narrow audience. Jamie speaks to everyone.
@@jamesbliss6143 How so? I'm sure John would speak to anyone interested in listening...
A great experience -- a pity about having the commercials
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@@Bacl2NatureThailand James is talking about the mid-roll ads in the video, obviously ad blocker doesn't do anything for those.
Can you say ab aggressive cancer growing in the body is a novelty engine?
An interesting discussion - starts to become a bit unhinged from about 1h25 though I'd say and descends pretty much into nonsense by the end. Which is not necessarily a criticism - nonsense can be very generative.
This is a criticism though: the idea that we can intentionally create "religion 3.0" seems to me to be quite unrealistic and quite possibly fraught with danger.
“This is what happens when you hook a bunch of monkeys up in a circuit” as a feature sounds a bit too familiar - I am with you on dangerous.
In the end Shaquille O'Neal will do what he knows best. Be one with nature or create tools to destroy it.
Jamie has a lot of wisdom, but he is still the sage on stage, whi h by his own definition is negative.
in this culture of everything being 'content' driven, how would you suggest he otherwise shares his message?
Yes. So, take the 9/10ths that is right-the analysis, and discard the last 10th, his prescription. Not hard for me to do since it sounds pretty silly.
Race, class and gender as the sociology lens is tight! Yet race is even less real than, and is an excuse for the persistence of, class... Seems like class, gender and geography may be equally diverse and defining of individual lives
Around 50 minutes... Suspicion of bad actors causes bad action (game theory) and the wolf in sheep's clothing is "the scary one". Jamie then goes to faith yet the example of the jury points toward an informed faith. The deliberation of the jury is intended to make it more difficult for bad actors. How can the jury scale to the court of public opinion?
All Jews are lost without me
Short sighted discussion. The world isn't f*cked. There are fewer people in poverty in the world today than ever. There are fewer maternal deaths and year one infant mortality than ever. There are more people literate in at least their home language than ever. There is less crime against persons than ever before. Y'all need to look at some good news for a change.
There's more and more cases of autism getting worse every year. That's truly an epidemic that they have to take seriously.
It's pretty short sighted to think it will remain that way indefinitely
Agreed! People really forget human potential and ingenuity in times of strife. We will continue progress
When all that progress hinges on the problematic economics of profit uber alles, it will swiftly run into what Wheal decsribes here as 'structural turmoil'. Yes, we are presently in a very safe world but that prosperity exists because we basically sold our future for present capital.
Yes you are right on those points aka Steven Pinker, but this discussion is trying to solve the why is there a huge epidemic of suicide, hopelessness and depression in a world where we are the healthiest, least violent, most educated we have ever been in history