Mud After Rapture, Jamie Wheal in dialogue with Tim Adalin
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- Опубликовано: 2 фев 2024
- Jamie Wheal is a writer and cofounder of the Flow Genome Project. He’s the author of 'Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex, and Death in a World That's Lost Its Mind', and a guide to leaders across many domains of high service and performance.
This dialogue sought in part to relate with the questions and tensions at the forefront of Jamie’s thinking, three years post the publishing of Recapture The Rapture. It found some footing in the mud of uncertainty between the desire to democratise transcendence, and the reality of life-death process as epitomised by narratives of exodus.
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He’s amazing. One of the leading thinkers of our time lifting to a higher octave, a sweeter tone…along with Dr. Joe Dispenza and many others.
Thank you!!!
This was a fascinating discussion, and I'll have to read Mr. Wheal's books. I appreciate the emphasize on the problem of scale, the generational differences, the tensions between trying to do something and being a realist, and more. I felt all of that was really well spoken to and not evaded. This is what really needs to be focused on and discussed. It's the "Hard Problem," we might say. Thank you both!
Thanks for your reflections O.G.!
Excited to listen to this one, Tim! Love the 8:30 mark: "you have to do a fuck ton of setup to get to a remotely interesting point". Amen.
Thank you both. An interesting roller-coaster of sorts, both sobering realism, and Tim asking the 'yeah, and how do we...?' is like another part of the ride. Asking high-level 'what' and 'how' questions are often just a mirror for inquiry on the ground floor @ the local level. This talk brought me into the earth, then out into objectivity, then back. Afterwards, I sat in a sauna and a thought I had was that the 'intelligence' we yearn for comes from some other areas. For example, if Jamie was the 'mind' and Tim was 'the heart' maybe a 3rd person, like an older woman would be the deep belly. The 3rd realm of intelligence. Then also is the non-verbal elements which also have something to 'say' (as in a redwood tree or a creek). At the heart, are 2 beautiful men having this hard yet honest dialog, and the opportunity for humility or the great unknown to be acknowledged along with all the data points. We're going to have to stretch and straddle both taoist-like humility & participatory leadership, even while stumbling our way back 'home'. I love the term 'back to basics' and yet the world has flipped, so maybe now it's 'forward to basics'. Biomimesis brings guidance, if we can agree to get 'out of the way'. Finding a common language will ultimately be beyond 'words' and beyond neuro-typical a+b=c linear limitations imo.
Thank you for your reflections Andrea. I have been appreciating your comments and the perception they've shown me.
The instinct to survive and protect our children is good and it is also good to sacrifice of ourselves and our future for each other as one. The temporal tensions/conflicts between the two remains impossible to resolve without submission/trust/faith in a mutually acknowledged authority. No man is worthy or able to carry the weight of that authority. Where oh where might we find the way to the perfect Love, Truth, and Beauty on which all creation has always depended. ✝️
A deep tension present in this for sure. Thank you for laying it out.
I've been paying attention to Jamie Wheal for a few years now. Him, along with several other of the more well known "Liminal Web" people. I've seen several of them become less positive over time. Listening to homie, here, talk about his broken heart and his feeling that we're basically fucked is murderous for me.
I WANT and NEED a bright future. My heart beats for expanding cirlces of tolerance, cosmopolitanism, and compassion for people. I want all the "weirdos," no matter how "weird" or "gross" or frightening they might be, to be able to live with dignity and freedom and opportunity, real opportunity for happiness and community.
I hunger and dream of either "Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism" or "Fully Automated Luxury Space Reformed and Gelded Capitalism," I'll take either one provided even the smallest and weakest of us all have enough and don't have to live in fear.
We are made of star stuff; we belong among the stars, goddamnit!
Listening to this was horrible. It was so very depressing.
I really like Jamie! Trippin' dead fan too!
This interviewer is so hard to comprehend. The rambling cliche’s and pop words make it hard to see his point clearly.