OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every RUclipsr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.
I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago. I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left. However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder. Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.
this video reminds me of my issue with dexit: i don't actually care a whole lot about it for the Pokemon, considering the fact that a lot of them wouldn't have been used competitively anyways. it DOES suck for casual stuff, of course, but like. that conversation's over and done at this point the real thing that sucks is you can't make unorthodox strategies with moves people have to look up in Bulbapedia anymore--most of those wacky moves are just gone!
POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy
I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.
Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times
Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think
I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense). Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.
Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move. I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.
My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.
The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle
@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why) The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.
@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two
about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL
Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though. If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough. I'd love to see a 2nd video!
Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy
One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.
Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent
Powder as a concept is a move that I love but the execution sucks, they went too conservative with it's effect, dealing 25% damage is way too little reward for pulling such hard trick, for me it should have cleanly KO the other pokemon, such busted effects would be balanced by being exclusively to really mediocre pokemon (vivillon and smeargle)
I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.
You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version". Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?
@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop
Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix
There's gotta be some parallel universe where someone use Friend Guard + Powder + Rage Powder Vivillon with some success somewhere. Too bad Powder got Dexited before it got Pollen Puff (and that Vivillon's defenses are trash)
Note to self: Great men are built. You have to look stupid. You're not going to look great all the time. You have to work harder than the average person. You don't know everything. You have to open yourself to the world. Life is lived when you're constantly evolving.
2:14 make it so the masterpiece is no guard and the cheap copy is mind reader xD (Context: no guard: all attacks never miss, mind reader: next attack on target will not miss)
Idk why but I always thought powder made the opponent weak to fire type moves but honestly the in game effect is so much cooler , shame it’s gone of the game :(
I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?
Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it
If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?
Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users. I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks
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If you ever feel useless remember that shedinja gets final gambit!
Final Gambit Shedninja to break sashes is meta bro trust me
min speed shedinja final gambit followed by scarf blissy copycat
@@cat8506Congradulations, you've sacrificed two pokemon to defeat one!
That is extremely funny
Attract cryogonal:
Posting this and then taking my last final of the year in 30 minutes lol.
Also Lock On is still in the game while Mind Reader is not.
Good luck!! ❤
good luck o7
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
Good luck!!
How'd it go?
Fire types when i throw some powder at their face🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every RUclipsr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.
I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago.
I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left.
However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder.
Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.
Would love Powder for more types, it might be really annoying it sounds so cool to use
There was actually a guy who used Powder In a tournament.
Powder is the exclusive move of gen6 pure hackmons mega scizor, who punishes v-creates like no other fire weak mon does
I would like a follow up if only because i'm curious if there's any more moves i have no idea about existing like Powder.
this video reminds me of my issue with dexit: i don't actually care a whole lot about it for the Pokemon, considering the fact that a lot of them wouldn't have been used competitively anyways. it DOES suck for casual stuff, of course, but like. that conversation's over and done at this point
the real thing that sucks is you can't make unorthodox strategies with moves people have to look up in Bulbapedia anymore--most of those wacky moves are just gone!
I miss powder😢
Magic/Wonder room seem pretty unorthodox (I did not know they even existed until last week)
I loved snatch. Sad to see it go, such a great concept.
I would like to let you know that i would like to see a follow up
they wanted to name powder to "gunpowder" but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be
Can you do "Uncatholic Moves in Pokémon" next?
Is Boingus feeling okay ? He looks kinda washed out :(
He’s doing just fine
POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy
why have specified powders (sleep powder, poison powder and so on) when you can have literally-just-some-powder!
just throwing a handful of unspecified powder at someone is kinda funny lmfao
Go go gadget Asbestos
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendjust scoop some dust off of the ground and throw it into their face
(gun)powder
Powder isn't a very good move, but it is fucking hilarious.
Wow, these are some unorthodox moves in Pokemon
they sure are
I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.
Yep. I kinda feel like they're purposely sitting on it though, after seeing what happened with the Tapu and terrains
Rillaboom + Incineroar lead immediately sets the field on fire turn 1
Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times
wait yeah the only way to beat that is outspeeding or replacing the ability
@@lucasgreer1736 powder is a priority move and there arent any fire priority moves so... literally just replacing the ability (or using mold breaker)
@@disasterarea9341
Ability Shield: *[Evil Laughter]*
(laughs in Mold Breaker)
Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think
I’ll check that out!
I'm playing a gen 6 romhack wich has the first gym leader use it. It made it pretty hard for me
@@manelneedsaname1773what's the name of the hack?
Also: mind reader Articuno with sheer cold
i did give it a mention thankfully
Wait ‘till you hear about poliwrath with mind reader and fissure
@@byakudora politoed erasure
And Generation II Smeargle can have a lot of fun with this, too!
*Spore*
*Lock-On*
*Guillotine* / *Horn Drill*
*Fissure* / *Agility*
I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense).
Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.
In SwSh VGC it had some use on Liepard of all things, prankster+copycat=immediately undoing the trick room your opponent set last turn.
@@Kazzzack ok that sounds amazing
Gen 5 Riolu Prankster Copycat Roar would like to know your location
Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move.
I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.
Iirc only vivillon gets powder
My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.
The weak will say: "But why use Powder when you can just use Protect???"
The strong will reply: "haha powder go boom boom"
Who up playing with their rototiller
The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle
there is not?
@@sebastianchavez1225 no :( Whichever 2 go first get the special effect, and the third is just an 80 base power generic move of it's type
@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why)
The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.
@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two
Why did this unlock a core memory for me 😂😂
god I wish pledges had more distribution but the precedence is just starter mons
We at least need the moves to take advantage of the rainbow effect. I guess Rock Slide Blaziken and dark pulse greninja are an option
Dont forget that silvally can learn only grass pledge because of a programming error LMAO, classic GF
And Silvally.
about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL
that is my new favorite pokemon glitch
They should honestly implement this feature as a ability, and call it "Unseen Fist" or somethin
Magnetic Flux being a spread Cosmic Power but only for Plus/Minus users sounds unorthodox enough for a next video
Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though.
If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough.
I'd love to see a 2nd video!
Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy
love how i read the title before clicking on the video, and the only move i could think of was powder. What an underappreciated move lol
Final gamba is funny
One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.
I came 8th in a locals with powder Vivillon. Blaziken and Volcarona we're common at the time, so it helped net me a few wins.
Powder would probably see more experimentation if more mons than just vivillion got it, imagine if Amoongus and Jumpluff got it
Give scizor the move and also priority on it because why not
Whimsicott with Prankster Powder sounds chaotic
@@edgargaebolg9307 Powder already has +1 priority, so its not completely necessary
@@oakin6441 I might be stupid
Powder would've been phenomenal if it took 50% of the user's HP. It would've been phenomenal counter play from Bug types.
Pokeaimmd is one of the only people crazy enough to use powder competitively.
2:43 I agree I love powder so much and I wish it was good enough to make pokemon like vivillion a threat
Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent
Vivillon: _Go ahead, shoot._
I want to live in a reality where funny fire fish got hard countered by some bugs with gunpowder
Powder is so cool it made electricwindgf chuckle mid delivery, truly the the move of all time
Powder as a concept is a move that I love but the execution sucks, they went too conservative with it's effect, dealing 25% damage is way too little reward for pulling such hard trick, for me it should have cleanly KO the other pokemon, such busted effects would be balanced by being exclusively to really mediocre pokemon (vivillon and smeargle)
I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.
Ahh yes, Lando-I's terrain
I did my daily and also HOLY SHIT POWDER IS SUCH A COOL MOVE
Of course I wanna see a video. I always want you to make more videos.
Is a presentation about "moves where there's an objectively better version" something you've done yet? Sounds like a fun video idea
You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version".
Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also Jump Kick and High Jump Kick.
@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop
@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also PP to consider.
mega scizor used to use powder in balanced and pure hackmons
probably no the usage you where looking for but hey its funny
I absolutely loved Powder. It's such a cool concept and you feel like a galaxy-brained mega genius if it works.
Is Final Gambit not just a worse explosion?
Not affected by attack drops is a plus
Not getting resisted by steel and rock is a plus but ghost immunity is there same as explosion 💥
Fixed damage tho
Powder is actually used in gen 7 1v1 occasionally as a charizard mega X counter, ribombee used powder and charizard just cant beat it
I thought the same, it was my only actual counter to the zard mindgame
Wtf oomfie has a RUclips channel
YOOOO hi justinbyleth!
It would be funny if they made a powder for every type
I saw the title and was so excited cause i knew someone would finally talk about powder
Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix
Please make a follow up.
During the fire meta or Gen 6, I ran a powder Vivallon and absolutely shut down blaziken Charizard Y sets by stopping them from acting. It was wild
There's gotta be some parallel universe where someone use Friend Guard + Powder + Rage Powder Vivillon with some success somewhere. Too bad Powder got Dexited before it got Pollen Puff (and that Vivillon's defenses are trash)
Note to self:
Great men are built.
You have to look stupid. You're not going to look great all the time.
You have to work harder than the average person.
You don't know everything. You have to open yourself to the world.
Life is lived when you're constantly evolving.
2:14 make it so the masterpiece is no guard and the cheap copy is mind reader xD
(Context: no guard: all attacks never miss, mind reader: next attack on target will not miss)
I was thinking you'd talk about moves like Trump Card, and then you go and bring out the Forbidden Knowledge
Idk why but I always thought powder made the opponent weak to fire type moves but honestly the in game effect is so much cooler , shame it’s gone of the game :(
Finally some good Powder appreciation. Bring it back and make it do 50% damage Gamefreak!
I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?
Anyone remember VGC 2014 Ion Deluge to counter Mega Kangaskhan?
Powder should have fire moves backfire onto them instead of 25% hp lost and watch the fire type meta burn
I think powder actually has had usage in vgc in the past, against stuff like mega charizard Y
Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it
I’m so happy about your opinion about powder
I miss snatch so so much, my preferred move aganist buff up monkeys and mat throw in triples
Yo, glad I'm not the only one that finds Powder super cool, and its stupid they took it out.
damn bro if used correctly that powder move could just straight up remove a fire weakness lmao
Me a Smogon NatDex player: Oh no It's Dexited, anyway...
Instead of f you in particular stick we have the f you in particular move.
man if powder got distributed to any better pokemon like some grass types or something it would no be dexited I swear
i don’t even play VGC but find myself watching your presentations so much 💀 that being said keep it up tho
Talk about chatter too, higher confuse chance for louder cry was so stupid
Final Gambit should have been a cut move, it really doesn't add anything to the game
anybody who tried to sos chain lucario in gen 7 knows how fucking annoying final gambit is
honestly powder wouldve been really strong if it wasnt stuck to a butterfly
Fire and water confirmed to be the most gay starter types , now we know why ferro is a grass type
Snatch is my favorite unorthodox move. Sad it got dexited :/
Fire types when powder:💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Ogerpon/scovillian:ok 🔫
First Like and first comment lets gooo
obligatory reborn plug (the pledge moves can summon terrains)
isnt there a move called tar shot or something that does something similar to powder?
what about upper hand that shit is deadly on sucker gambit
Pledge moves used to be way worse, as they only had 50 power
These videos are perfect for my adhd
sure i'd love to see a follow up
For real i write down everything you say
If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha
Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and
Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?
Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users.
I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks
Bruh powder shouldve caused flinching
I liked the bit where I was reminded that Click For Palestine exists. Also the rest of the video.
I was today years old when i learned powder existed
yeah but what about the goat flying press
i love you funny presentation man
Based on her username I believe you've made an error
She is indeed a trans woman.
she's a funny presentation woman tho
@@wojteklenartowicz8436 what
@@Paragon_ she's a funny presentation gal silly