A few bits about various ports: Saturn: Apparently this version had slightly higher quality audio than the PlayStation one, tho I've played both and can't really notice it. MS DOS: Bought this when it came out in 1996 and it ran VERY smoothly, I remember Rayman and Jazz Jackrabbit being among the first PC games I played with smooth scrolling. Not sure why it wasn't smooth for you - maybe backward compatibility / emulation settings? GBC: This did some impressive scanline interrupt tricks with palette swapping, to put more colors on the screen than the GBC allowed by default. That bgm, although high pitched and terrible, is actually an early version of the music from Rayman 2.
I'd add that the Jaguar port is unfinished in comparison to any other version, this is probably due to the 16-bit with its addons and the transition to the 32-bit era, for instance, the 32X version of Rayman was dropped and the Jaguar port only materialized because it was not too late, but it feels unfinished, the Bandland stages which require sliding on the smooth platforms doesn't work, I didn't go further but I wouldn't be surprised if later stages suffered even more, adding to that, the sound design feels very shallow, even being a cartridge, proper sound effects and good music could be rendered there. It's true the Saturn has clearer, higher quality audio and some stages are different, backgrounds make more sense in some areas on the Saturn, while the PS adds some neat effects no other version has. Mega Man X4 is yet another example the Saturn has better audio, and surely many arcade ports cut down PS ports even further to free that little extra bandwidth to be used elsewhere in the games. How I wish 32-bit consoles didn't suffer from RAM like they do, they all had decent CPU and GPUs for 1994-esque hardware, but RAM being expensive really held many of their potential back.
WOLFENSTEIN 3D was essentially a direct port and id said they were surprised how good it was and didn't need much tweaking other than sound. DOOM on Jaguar is considered quite a good version except for lacking in-game music. id said a month or so after its release that they could have increased the texture resolution w/ no performance hit, but it was too late and Atari didn't want to delay the release. I think there's a 'homebrew' version of it that did that and other improvements. Jaguar is one of those systems where it took a while for devs to really learn what could be done...which is why most games are pretty much Atari ST/Amiga ports mostly running on the 68000 w/ graphics enhancements and MOD soundtracks. I think RAYMAN used the Jerry FM synth emulator, though.
@@RetroCore from the team: Jaguar) DOOM will run at 160×180. The main reason is speed. With 320×200 res, we could have gotten 20 FPS in some places 15 in most. With 160×180, we get 20 all around. As far as the cache architecture goes, I don’t think the res lowering is directly related. (Regarding why no resolution toggle as in the PC version) The reason the PC has it is because the hardware it can be played on varies is speed/processing power. All of the Jaguar boxes are the same. (Isn’t developing for consoles great? :-) -Shawn Green id Software The little risc engined were decent processors. I was surprised that they didn't use off the shelf designs, but they basically worked ok. They had some design hazards (write after write) that didn't get fixed, but the only thing truly wrong with them was that they had scratchpad memory instead of caches, and couldn't execute code from main memory. I had to chunk the DOOM renderer into nine sequentially loaded overlays to get it working (with hindsight, I would have done it differently in about three...). John Carmack Jaguar version also runs in more colours than the PC Version, using the CRY 16 bit mode. Carmack did go onto say if he wrote Doom from scratch for the Jaguar, he'd TARGET using a higher resolution mode (it runs in the lowest mode on the machine, with better lighting and frame rate).
@@benjaminben11 no but I am a composer and have played in many jazz, rock and bluegrass bands and produced a lot of chiptune music live. So my hearing isn’t the greatest anymore.
@@teddym2808 It's a fine controller, there's really nothing wrong with it. Only the numeric pad is kinda redundant. Regarding the version of Rayman, I can see why one would prefer this version. It's the original, and chiptunes fits the game nicely.
Fun fact: the GBC version of Rayman got a Pocket PC/Windows Mobile port later down the line with enhanced graphics. Pocket PC eventually got a port of the original game too.
I love this game! Very fond memories of playing this on my Saturn. The music and graphics are the best. Difficulty is very hard, but it’s worth it in the end if you put out the effort.
And tighter gameplay "possibly". As that was his impression. I had this for ps1 and it fealt slow. I have a feeling the controls are snappier on Saturn just by what I watched here. Subtle af tho. ;) I gave it to a friend who taught me how to beat the carnival level on Sonic 3. Changed his life he had never seen a 32bit platformer and couldn't stop thanking me every day. + my name is Ray. I think I should give it another try.
The Saturn version is near perfect but strangely enough, it appears to be missing a few effects in some places. And its only major flaw is the use of Cinepak
Nice video! I thought I'd fill in on the ports you couldn't include. The mobile and DSi ports are based on the PC version (as are all ports done this millenium, even though the Playstation and Saturn versions are superior.) Both ports have an "easy mode" that gives more lives. The DSi version is the PC version with an even more cut down soundtrack, a feature where the photographer takes a picture of your face when you hit a checkpoint, and odd changes to the graphics like darker backgrounds. The Android version has the full soundtrack of the PSX/Saturn game, but is let down by terrible touch controls. There's also a Pocket PC version which I don't know much about, but it has different, inferior music.
Project Manager of Rayman on GBA: "Originally, all sprites were going to pull their colors from a shared palette of 256 colors. That is how the PC version of Rayman was built. Similarly, the PlayStation version used a large number of colors. This was fine, but the ROM footprint for sprites using that many colors is much larger and requires more time to transfer, especially on the Game Boy Advance. It dropped the frame rate to about 15-30 frames per second. The solution was to bring the sprites down to 16 palettes of 16 colors. This was difficult, because before that, the sprites shared a large common palette. Again, the artists had to redraw all the sprites and wisely select color palettes. The amount of work paid off, as the result looked nearly identical to the revision before it, and we accelerated the game to acceptable speeds." www.gamespot.com/articles/qanda-rayman-advance/1100-2718137/
Rayman really shows off the 2D capabilities of the Atari jaguar. It is a nice looking game for that console. The PS1 and Saturn ports are fine, with quite a few enhancements. I'm not sure if the MS-DOS version runs at 30 or 60fps. It wasn't uncommon for DOS era 2D games to run at 30fps. UBI Soft is quite good with multi-platform releases. Even the GBC game looks fun.
You can actually find a cart of Rayman for smart phones, though I suppose that depends which version you're talking about. On my gameplay channel (FramePlay) there's footage of it being run on a Palm OS PDA using an SD card-esque (I think it was called M2 or something?) cartridge which contained the full game on it.
The Saturn has 1.5MB of vram to the PS1's 1MB so I can see they have a few more colours going on there as a result. Also it's got more MIPS (archaic pointless and inaccurate measurement of speed) in the 2d department. The PS1 just has a Geometry Transform Engine which streamlines 3d programming despite being less powerful overall.
the console specification is not important in this case. Since all sega saturn games look hopeless and have terrible dithering. For the player the most important are games, not specifications... PS1 won the war through games. Quantity and quality. *There are no games or they are weak, the console dies...* *life is brutal*
@@barnaba3974 Talk about clueless. The Saturn destroys the PS1 in virtually every way hardware wise. Games like Radiant Silvergun? The PS1 could never dream of running that game among many others, it simply can't compare. Preference over the library of games is totally up to the individual, as one system may appeal to one person over another's, but dont spread blatant lies about all games looking "hopeless". Its obvious that virtually all 2D games and even some 3D games look AND run better than their PS1 counterparts. Also, pretty sad when you present your opinion as fact - unless your goal was to come across as ignorant - in which of course you were wildly successful.
Rayman shows that the Jaguar...COULD be a very good and competent adversary to the SNES and Mega if was not by Atari screwing every developer and themselves
They also didn't let the legendary engineers that designed it finish the design to rush it to market. Then proceeded to not ship any due to giving the task to IBM who are not exactly a manufacturing company.
The Jaguar's problem was the hardware architecture. It was just too difficult to program, so that most of the system's library (which was anyhow very small) was just horrible junk. 5 or so good games (e.g. Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, Doom, Rayman, Raiden) is just not enough to save a console. Having terrible controllers and a the manufacturer closing in on bankruptcy doesn't help a lot either.
@@frankschneider6156 The programming complication stemmed from the incomplete design. Otherwise it was designed to be easy for programmers but they needed to circumvent issues created by the rushed design process.
The folks at Ubisoft had an online conference this week and put to rest the debate about which version of Rayman was considered best. When questioned about it, Ubisoft stated that their playtesters favored the version for the Jaguar over those for the PSX and Saturn. Ubisoft also mentioned that one of the main reasons for favoring Jag Rayman was "controlability" which was supposed to have been one factor that some certain (ahem!) people/magazines took issue with. Some other things learned about Rayman was that Ubisoft has been developing the game for the 32/64-bit systems simultaneously for more than a year. The programmer for Jag Rayman also attended the conference and made a surprising revelation. The 68000 CPU was utilized for 70% of the code of Jag Rayman! So it shows as programmers migrate to using more and more of the RISC CPUs and less of the 68000, the Jag can match or overpower the PSX and Saturn at various tasks.
@@RetroCore as was the development tools and the chipsets themselves, Rob Nicholson of Handmade Software said they needed another 2 revisions to work all the bugs out.
Michel Ancel told Gamestm, in an interview, back in Issue 11: 'When we did the original Rayman, Sony was telling us it was'nt the right style for the current trend'.
3:14 Reminds me of one of the level themes in Bubsy II, lolz 10:02 For the platform, damn that looks awesome. It definitely looks well-made, top-tier for the time. 12:28 I agree; it looks bloated. Sad, because the Game Boy Advance was capable of a *_lot_* more... :/ I only knew of the PSX and SS versions. Nope, I never got to play this game. It's one of many I had an interest in but never had a fair chance to play. #underprivileged
I have to disagree with you on this one. I have this for both Jaguar an PSX and the Jag is my preferred version to play. It has tighter controls, and exclusive shmup like stage (that you showed in this video) that was changed on later editions to a not as satisfying flying and punching level. On the newer versions they also added annoying slippery mechanics that weren't in the original.
Rayman is, to me at least, one of the best legacies the Atari Jaguar left to us before its eventual demise, in addition of being one of its very best titles. I wonder how the game would have run on the 32X and 3DO, as it was also planned to be launched for those systems...
@@RetroCore maybe true but the megadrive had adventures of flink which was a hint that maybe it could handle rayman (sure, toned down on visuals but, doable)
@@jimkrom I think given the 32x added 46Mhz of cpu and another 23Mhz vdp in addition the the Mega Drive it could run this game with ease with the only botttleneck being memory with only 256KB work and 256KB vram.
I remember when my best friend got this game and SF Alpha 1 on his PS. We spent SO much time playing this as we were HUGE 2D mascot platformer fans since we were little kids! Man, just hearing the intro and flood stage musics bring back so many feels. Tough as nails but we got got through it. Loved going back through with the level skip code later! I didn't play the Saturn version until much later and noticed a lot of the cool little touches like the awesome scene transitions and slightly higher resolution. Never played the sequels. I know I should (especially Legends). Back before Ubisoft ruled the world! 😊
I noticed your description mentions that the Dsi version is long gone. But it was actually made available on the 3DS eshop. That's how I'm experiencing rayman 1 for the first time
When the 3DS shop opened all the DSiware games were made available there. You can still buy that version of Rayman on it. Regardless, thanks for the great video once again!
BTW, great video, but it worth mentioning that Rayman 1 did have a DSi download version: raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_(Nintendo_DSi) still available via 3DS eShop in US/EU regions, and iOS and Android now removed (got to love digital, not really!) Also would love Rayman 2 someday: raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_2 has loads of ports/versions.
Wooow Rayman ! I remember reading about the plans to port it into 32x. It would probably be the same case as with Pitfall, the only game I saw in action on a Jaguar. I guess the Jag discussion is on thanks to this episode. I think its safe to say, that this is right now truly a classic 2D platformer from the 90s. Altough my favourite 90s 2D platformer would be definetly Claw. Sadly it wont be never ever discussed here, as it was a PC exclusive :P Which is a real shame, I can imagine the port of this game on Sega Saturn with even better music than the original midi soundtrack becoming one of the cult titles for the system. Unfortunately Monolith productions until the console releases of F.E.A.R. were tied with MS. I also remember reading somewhere about the plans to develop Tomb Raider for the Jaguar. Seeing as Ngage could handle it (but it was more of a tech demo for the system) Im sure the real Jag could do it as well. Some of the homebrews for the system look quite impressive. Maybe if the games and the unit were cheaper than the competition (Sony and Sega), the console would be at least somewhat a success. Plus I realised recently, that after Atari stopped making Jag, and until Xbox came around the console market was dominated by Japanese manufacturers.
No such plans, just Magazines wrongly assuming Tomb Raider would debut on Jag CD and 3DO. Core Design boss, Jeremy Heath-Smith made clear Jaguar was only going to recieve enhanced versions of existing Mega CD titles, not original I. P
The GBA version is the version that I played as a child. Made me feel in live with the series. It made me buy and play Rayman 2 on PC, which was even better. One of my favorite games from my childhood. I never got to finish the game, so currently I'm doing just that with the Dreamcast version of Rayman 2 in an emulator. I'm ready passed the point that I got to as a child, which was a bit before the half of the game hahaha. I was even worse at Rayman 3. I bought the game with the little money I had around the released, but I never finished the tutorial! At one point you need to punch around a wall to make a platform go up, but I never understood that completely and tried to fly around the wall to punch the target haha. Now I know better, so when I finnaly finish Rayman 2, I'll do the same with Rayman 3. Now that I think of it, I've never actually finished a Rayman game. Have you ever played Rayman Redemption? It's a fan-made remake of Rayman 1 and it adds a lot of content, tweaks the levels a bit and makes the game more sane. Ater Rayman 3 I'm planning on finishing that game as wel. I've played it for a bit and it's really good so far!
@@RetroCore I've seen some footage of Redemption and if you're a Rayman fan you will not be disappointed, look up the Mr. Dark fight (actually fights would be more accurate) to get just a taste of what's in store. As for the best version I have to go with Saturn it added so much to the overall presentation and if I'm remembering correctly it also had tighter controls too. I've also always preferred the higher pitched SFX/Voices of the Saturn as well, they made an already very cartoonish game feel even more cartoonish. Although there's one thing I'm curious about with your Saturn footage, is it actually that bright on hardware or does your capture setup do something to the footage?
I'm sorry that you could not get the DSi version running for this week's show, but... Have you tried to run it on the 3DS instead? It has more chances to run it than a non DSi DS.
Probably because it was on the PlayStation. Everyone seems to think there was nothing but Gold on the PlayStation. Kind of annoying. I was reading one blog that stated Rayman started life on the PlayStation? What? It started life being programmed on an Atrai ST for the SNES CD then actually got released on the Jaguar.
@@RetroCore He's not that compelling of a character either. I mean he was upstaged and then vastly overshadowed by what were supposed to be a single game's throwaway villains for crying out loud. You know you're lame when what are essentially henchmen end up being more successful than you.
Very true, Mark! Also what's wrong with Digital Eclipse? Didnt they handle the Capcom Generations ports on PS2 and I'm noticing the Mega Man Legacy collections on current gen systems?
The Jaguar version is the last game I need to recomplete my Jaguar collection from my childhood. Thin was also parted to the DSi and 3DS as a DSiWare title
Great comparison video! I also noticed something amusing in it: the PS1 version's new sound effects that are used in all the later versions are too fast and high pitched on the Saturn, and too slow and low pitched on DOS! It's especially noticeable with the gunman enemy's devious laugh. It was a shame to see you give up on ascending to that optional area at 5:19 - the fourth cloud disappears and reappears by itself, so you just needed to jump on the previous ones with different timing. And, I can understand your confusion at 5:22, since you'd think to crawl you would duck and then press left or right, but instead you have to press L1 or R1, haha! I grew up with the PS1 version, but the Saturn one is my personal favourite - I may be biased though, because the Saturn is my favourite console ever!
@@RetroCore Haha, I guess they were excited about having shoulder buttons due to moving from the Jaguar to the PS1, and they wanted to make use of them! I can see why you were stumped, since you'd just been playing it on the Jag. I'm not sure why they didn't just let you crawl with either the shoulder buttons or pressing down and left/down and right!
Well, when you look at what was on offer I can see why. I don't really care what people say, even on day of release Alien VS Preditor looked and played like ass. Take out the license and nobody would care less. Tempest is good for what it is but it's not system pusher.
@@RetroCore ironically, Defender 2000 was more of a system pusher, Jeff Minter using the Jaguar GPU far more, than what was done with Tempest 2000, which had a lot of 68000 code, plus Bitter and the RISC chips being coded 'backwards' to create custom effects... but was bloody awful to play. The A. I routines crippled the frame rate on AVP, which is something of a joke, as serial bullshit tee Jane Whittaker has since run around telling the press AVP was his game, A. I routines used in N64 Goldeneye (total lie, Dr David Doak wrote his own for Rare), he was lead coder. You then have the Kingsley Bros claiming credit for concepts Purple Hampton came up with. Whole affair is an utter mess. Game itself has aged really badly, the acid blood puddles for a start should dissappear over time.. Skyhammer was Rebellion at it's technical best on the system
Jaguar version feels the smoothest and is the most satisfying to play imo, also not having to wait at loading screens as cartridges are just so much faster.
The Jaguar version was so much better than the PlayStation port. Besides the PlayStation port mission animation frames, the controls were really slippery. It was very easy to over shoot platforms and timing on bosses was much harder. Plus the super long load times. I'm sure there wasn't a technical reason why the PlayStation port was worse, maybe the developers didn't have time to learn the hardware completely?
Tried many times to get into this game. But it is just too hard for my feeble skills. After about the tenth time dying do to being one pixel off in a jump, I put the game down until the next time. Still, really good to see the comparison. Especially fun to see a Jaguar game in one of these.
Fun fact: the Jag version, despite being the original, wasn't released first. Also, the slippery platforms in Band Land are not slippery for some reason.
I did Install the android version on my GPD XD, but I ended up not playing it that much because it was kinda unstable. It would hang up out of the blue without any warning... That said, it looked really good. My first encounter with rayman was a demo on a pc cd that came with a magazine. It had something like 2 levels from the forest area but they were not the first two levels :P
The MS-Dos version was the one modified to make it easier in difficulty compared the other ones, notably with the difference of the first level in Band Land along with a few others. Other than that, it's the PC version that has the most versions of the first era of Rayman games with titles like "Rayman by his fans", "Rayman 60 levels", "Rayman Designer" and the ones for education.
I like the Jaguar the best, it feels better and looks better than the others. Everyone keeps saying how the sound is better on the PSX and Saturn and whilst I agree the sound is better quality, I much prefer the Atari MUSIC to the orchestral style on the PlayStation and Saturn, and the catchy tunes lose something on the CD ports
Not surprised the Saturn version did well and won again, but the more I think about it, the more I feel bad for Atari Jaguar owners having (one of) their only redeeming games be outclassed by the 32-bit machines that came after. The console pretty much got straight up murdered by them. Now on to the other ports. I'd say while the MS-DOS port is disappointing, it's still a pretty good version worth trying for PC owners (with MS-DOS). I'm absolutely amazed at the GBC FMV. It reminds me of that Toy Story Racer game on GBC, which was actually made by Tiertex! (Which by the way, I still can't believe it was made by them) Otherwise, pretty nice port that kept the GBC limitations in mind. (Except the music) While the GBA port looks as nice as the 32-bit console versions, which is pretty cool actually, it's easily the worst port yet again.... (WHEN WILL IT END??????) As you said, I would've preferred re-drawn sprites to fit in the GBA's tiny screen. However, it still has that garbled and awful sound like most GBA games have, which I would agree on you about. Great video once again
the MS-DOS port is on par with the 32-bit consoles for the most part with gameplay tweaks to make it slightly easier. RetroCore probably ran into technical issues because the port usually runs at 50 or 60FPS according to the settings. Where it shines is the custom level designer made for it and the ensuing level packs released to retail.
@@RetroCore Indeed,i know that very well because N64(together With Dreamcast)are my fav consoles ever,N64 got rayman 2(the Best version of the game)till dreamcast version arrived and surpassed it in all aspects.
Im did actuelly newer beat the endgame boss in Rayman 2, which was way too difficulty, as least in the PC version. This can/could been why im newer returned to any of those games? Dispite the first one here does looks ace and is a real classic game of the area. All ports does look nicely playable, which is nice to see, dispite various issues.
Rayman advance is based on the pc version along with rayman dsi and the mobile versions You can see it at the cage possishions and bongo hills part 1 (gba removed that one) And the soundeffect for tings as well
If I had the choice, I'd go with the Jaguar version. IMO it looks every bit as good as the PS and Saturn versions, but you have the added benefit of no loading times. The CD audio and FMV intros of the disc version are nice, but I'd choose no loading if it was 1995 and I had all three consoles.
There should be an android and ios port of it. I have it on iPhone, it seems to be the PS1 version with a clean animated intro. Never played the android version. I had the GBC version and I think its one of the prettiest games on the system.
Huh, didn't know this was originally a Jaguar game. It's so famous on the Playstation. That being said, this is one of the few comparisons on the channel where all versions are competent enough. The Saturn version is probably the best, and the GBA version the worst, but they all look to be a fun time. A shame they put such ear-grating music in the GBC version, though. The compositions themselves seem halfway decent, but like Mega Man II GB, the developers made it WAY too high-pitched.
Hi Retro Core, Did you know that Rayman for DSI is at 3DS eshop? You can still get this game, however you have until March 27 in which both 3DS and Wii U eshop will close down. As for the Add funds part, you can still use funds by add funds from your Nintendo Switch. But you have to make sure that your Nintendo Network ID (3DS and Wii U) is link to your Nintendo Account (Nintendo Switch and Website) in order to make it work. The Reason why is that because I thought a possible for you to remastered a Battle of the Ports - Rayman Video with a DSI Version of Rayman Game. What do you think, Retro Core? See You Later.
This also got a DSi shop/3DS eShop port right? Also damn the GBA version looks brutal. The amount of screen crunch in Advance reminds me of the Game Gear Mega Man game.
I have to disagree on the differences between the Jaguar and the Playstation versions. The Jaguar version actually has more onscreen colours and tends to move a lot better than the Playstation version. It also plays a lot better than the Playstation version which is overtly difficult. Don't get me wrong... Rayman on Jaguar isn't an easy game either, but I find it to be a fairer game on Atari's platform. The only positives of the Playstation version over the Jaguar version are the CD audio and cutscenes.
Shinto of The Jaguar Podcast site, ran colour tests on the Jaguar game, claims he only found screens with a maximum of around 8,000 colours onscreen, yet game was advertised as using 65,000 colours. Hmnn.. 🤔
@@RetroCore A. A user Zerosquare kindly cleared the matter up: 65.000 (65.536 actually) is the color bit depth, not the amount of unique colors per screen So all the Jaguar fan boys who claim Jaguar beats Saturn and PlayStation versions by using 65,000 colours on screen, might like to take note 😉
Jaguar version suffered delays as Ubisoft's Frank Slater explained at the time, that as this was Ubisoft's 1st title on a then unfamilar platform, there was a learning curve which meant delays, these delays were not intentional, were'nt due to any strategic implications and had nothing what so ever to do with other versions now being annouced/planned. The good news is Rayman is coming soon to a Jaguar near you - - before it comes to any other system. Expect to be playing one of the most graphically eye-popping, amazingly fun and challenging platform games ever made by June. Rayman is also being developed for other next-generation systems including the PSX and the Saturn, for a summer 1995 release in Japan and release in the rest of the world as soon as those systems become available outside of the land of the rising sun. There is a PSX demo version out in Japan right now, perhaps this is where some of the confusion came from. Hope this clears things up some. Frank Slater Ubi Soft France'
There's also Rayman Forever for PC. Apparently it lacks a lot of the ost though, maybe the dos version did as well. raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_Forever
The GBA version is impressive, taking in mind the device was like a more powerful SNES. I wonder of this game would had been possible with the SFX2 chip.
Such a beautiful game! I'll try to get the Saturn port in the future if I ever see it for a good price. Rayman 2 is definitely my favorite though and it would be great to see a future episode on it!
Fond memories of the Playstation port! The PC port had a version with a level editor though!
A few bits about various ports:
Saturn: Apparently this version had slightly higher quality audio than the PlayStation one, tho I've played both and can't really notice it.
MS DOS: Bought this when it came out in 1996 and it ran VERY smoothly, I remember Rayman and Jazz Jackrabbit being among the first PC games I played with smooth scrolling. Not sure why it wasn't smooth for you - maybe backward compatibility / emulation settings?
GBC: This did some impressive scanline interrupt tricks with palette swapping, to put more colors on the screen than the GBC allowed by default. That bgm, although high pitched and terrible, is actually an early version of the music from Rayman 2.
It wouldn't surprise me with the Saturn having hight sound quality. Many ports on the Saturn do due to more memory being allocated to it.
I'd add that the Jaguar port is unfinished in comparison to any other version, this is probably due to the 16-bit with its addons and the transition to the 32-bit era, for instance, the 32X version of Rayman was dropped and the Jaguar port only materialized because it was not too late, but it feels unfinished, the Bandland stages which require sliding on the smooth platforms doesn't work, I didn't go further but I wouldn't be surprised if later stages suffered even more, adding to that, the sound design feels very shallow, even being a cartridge, proper sound effects and good music could be rendered there.
It's true the Saturn has clearer, higher quality audio and some stages are different, backgrounds make more sense in some areas on the Saturn, while the PS adds some neat effects no other version has.
Mega Man X4 is yet another example the Saturn has better audio, and surely many arcade ports cut down PS ports even further to free that little extra bandwidth to be used elsewhere in the games. How I wish 32-bit consoles didn't suffer from RAM like they do, they all had decent CPU and GPUs for 1994-esque hardware, but RAM being expensive really held many of their potential back.
Let's also be fair - Id Software also published for the Jag - and they were quite respectable. In fact, they were on their prime
You are talking about Doom? Wasn't Doom on the Jag lacking compared to the PC original?
@@RetroCore not as good as the pc no, but respectable, except for the missing music.
@@RetroCore Doom wasn't quite up to snuff, but Wolfenstein 3D on the Jaguar was arguably better than the PC original it was based on.
WOLFENSTEIN 3D was essentially a direct port and id said they were surprised how good it was and didn't need much tweaking other than sound. DOOM on Jaguar is considered quite a good version except for lacking in-game music. id said a month or so after its release that they could have increased the texture resolution w/ no performance hit, but it was too late and Atari didn't want to delay the release. I think there's a 'homebrew' version of it that did that and other improvements. Jaguar is one of those systems where it took a while for devs to really learn what could be done...which is why most games are pretty much Atari ST/Amiga ports mostly running on the 68000 w/ graphics enhancements and MOD soundtracks. I think RAYMAN used the Jerry FM synth emulator, though.
@@RetroCore from the team:
Jaguar) DOOM will run at 160×180. The main reason is speed. With 320×200 res, we could have gotten 20 FPS in some places 15 in most. With
160×180, we get 20 all around. As far as the cache architecture goes, I don’t think the res lowering is directly related.
(Regarding why no resolution toggle as in the PC version)
The reason the PC has it is because the hardware it can be played on varies is speed/processing power. All of the Jaguar boxes are the same. (Isn’t developing for consoles great? :-)
-Shawn Green
id Software
The little risc engined were decent processors. I was surprised that they didn't use off the shelf designs, but they basically worked ok. They had some design hazards (write after write) that didn't get fixed, but the only thing truly wrong with them was that they had scratchpad memory instead of caches, and couldn't execute code from main memory. I had to chunk the DOOM renderer into nine sequentially loaded overlays to get it working (with hindsight, I would have done it differently in about three...).
John Carmack
Jaguar version also runs in more colours than the PC Version, using the CRY 16 bit mode.
Carmack did go onto say if he wrote Doom from scratch for the Jaguar, he'd TARGET using a higher resolution mode (it runs in the lowest mode on the machine, with better lighting and frame rate).
Gotta say that I prefer the Atari version. Although the Saturn version does play and sound well.
@@teddym2808 Because it's his opinion
are you deaf ?
@@benjaminben11 no but I am a composer and have played in many jazz, rock and bluegrass bands and produced a lot of chiptune music live. So my hearing isn’t the greatest anymore.
@@teddym2808 It's a fine controller, there's really nothing wrong with it. Only the numeric pad is kinda redundant. Regarding the version of Rayman, I can see why one would prefer this version. It's the original, and chiptunes fits the game nicely.
Fun fact: the GBC version of Rayman got a Pocket PC/Windows Mobile port later down the line with enhanced graphics. Pocket PC eventually got a port of the original game too.
Nice. Didn't know that.
I love this game! Very fond memories of playing this on my Saturn. The music and graphics are the best. Difficulty is very hard, but it’s worth it in the end if you put out the effort.
Saturn wins by a hair due to being brighter and having faster loading times/ more graphical effects
Indeed!
And tighter gameplay "possibly". As that was his impression.
I had this for ps1 and it fealt slow. I have a feeling the controls are snappier on Saturn just by what I watched here. Subtle af tho. ;)
I gave it to a friend who taught me how to beat the carnival level on Sonic 3. Changed his life he had never seen a 32bit platformer and couldn't stop thanking me every day.
+ my name is Ray.
I think I should give it another try.
The Saturn version is near perfect but strangely enough, it appears to be missing a few effects in some places.
And its only major flaw is the use of Cinepak
@@mspeter97 Cinepak?
@@adamhenry6793 The video encoder used in the intro of the Saturn version.
Nice video! I thought I'd fill in on the ports you couldn't include.
The mobile and DSi ports are based on the PC version (as are all ports done this millenium, even though the Playstation and Saturn versions are superior.) Both ports have an "easy mode" that gives more lives. The DSi version is the PC version with an even more cut down soundtrack, a feature where the photographer takes a picture of your face when you hit a checkpoint, and odd changes to the graphics like darker backgrounds. The Android version has the full soundtrack of the PSX/Saturn game, but is let down by terrible touch controls.
There's also a Pocket PC version which I don't know much about, but it has different, inferior music.
Thanks for filling in information for the viewers on ports I couldn't cover.
Project Manager of Rayman on GBA:
"Originally, all sprites were going to pull their colors from a shared palette of 256 colors. That is how the PC version of Rayman was built. Similarly, the PlayStation version used a large number of colors. This was fine, but the ROM footprint for sprites using that many colors is much larger and requires more time to transfer, especially on the Game Boy Advance. It dropped the frame rate to about 15-30 frames per second. The solution was to bring the sprites down to 16 palettes of 16 colors. This was difficult, because before that, the sprites shared a large common palette. Again, the artists had to redraw all the sprites and wisely select color palettes. The amount of work paid off, as the result looked nearly identical to the revision before it, and we accelerated the game to acceptable speeds."
www.gamespot.com/articles/qanda-rayman-advance/1100-2718137/
Rayman really shows off the 2D capabilities of the Atari jaguar. It is a nice looking game for that console. The PS1 and Saturn ports are fine, with quite a few enhancements. I'm not sure if the MS-DOS version runs at 30 or 60fps. It wasn't uncommon for DOS era 2D games to run at 30fps. UBI Soft is quite good with multi-platform releases. Even the GBC game looks fun.
Fun game, but very challenging. I prefer the PSX version. It has an amazing soundtrack and still looking amazing even today.
You can actually find a cart of Rayman for smart phones, though I suppose that depends which version you're talking about. On my gameplay channel (FramePlay) there's footage of it being run on a Palm OS PDA using an SD card-esque (I think it was called M2 or something?) cartridge which contained the full game on it.
I have Rayman on my GBA. I remember playing it. Man, I sure wish to play it on the Playstation or Sega Saturn.
There’s also a version on the Palm OS based upon the GBC version in terms of layout(graphics are based on the original versions)
I didn't know about that. Interesting.
Love this franchise. I'm the only one who thinks Rayman is an underrated character and series?
And of course, Saturn Does.
I would say Rayman as a character is underrated since there are so many Rayman out there.
Funny thing about the GBC port, it uses the main theme from Rayman 2
The Saturn has 1.5MB of vram to the PS1's 1MB so I can see they have a few more colours going on there as a result. Also it's got more MIPS (archaic pointless and inaccurate measurement of speed) in the 2d department. The PS1 just has a Geometry Transform Engine which streamlines 3d programming despite being less powerful overall.
the console specification is not important in this case. Since all sega saturn games look hopeless and have terrible dithering. For the player the most important are games, not specifications... PS1 won the war through games. Quantity and quality. *There are no games or they are weak, the console dies...* *life is brutal*
@@barnaba3974 Saturn games have meshed transparencies is what I think you mean. The 32bit consoles have no real colour limits.
@@barnaba3974 Talk about clueless. The Saturn destroys the PS1 in virtually every way hardware wise.
Games like Radiant Silvergun? The PS1 could never dream of running that game among many others, it simply can't compare.
Preference over the library of games is totally up to the individual, as one system may appeal to one person over another's, but dont spread blatant lies about all games looking "hopeless". Its obvious that virtually all 2D games and even some 3D games look AND run better than their PS1 counterparts.
Also, pretty sad when you present your opinion as fact - unless your goal was to come across as ignorant - in which of course you were wildly successful.
Yup, the Saturn was a 2D powerhouse, no contest with the PS1.
Lol, psx has no dithering?
Can’t wait to see a video on Rayman 2, also really happy you included the gbc game as I love that version of the game.
Rayman shows that the Jaguar...COULD be a very good and competent adversary to the SNES and Mega if was not by Atari screwing every developer and themselves
They also didn't let the legendary engineers that designed it finish the design to rush it to market. Then proceeded to not ship any due to giving the task to IBM who are not exactly a manufacturing company.
The Jaguar's problem was the hardware architecture. It was just too difficult to program, so that most of the system's library (which was anyhow very small) was just horrible junk. 5 or so good games (e.g. Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, Doom, Rayman, Raiden) is just not enough to save a console. Having terrible controllers and a the manufacturer closing in on bankruptcy doesn't help a lot either.
@@frankschneider6156 The programming complication stemmed from the incomplete design. Otherwise it was designed to be easy for programmers but they needed to circumvent issues created by the rushed design process.
It didn't want to he a competent adversary for 16 bit consoles, it wanted to be the next generation but wasn't good enough.
@@volkte37 I bet it was Jack Tramiel's fault. It usually is.
At this time, Saturn have no rival in terms of 2D games, except obviously Neo Geo AES. Beautiful and hard game. Thanks Mark!
Well some major 2D titles outside fighting games did fare better on the Playstation. In The Hunt and Symphony Of The Night are big ones.
The folks at Ubisoft had an online conference this week and put to
rest the debate about which version of Rayman was considered best.
When questioned about it, Ubisoft stated that their playtesters
favored the version for the Jaguar over those for the PSX and Saturn.
Ubisoft also mentioned that one of the main reasons for favoring
Jag Rayman was "controlability" which was supposed to have been one
factor that some certain (ahem!) people/magazines took issue with.
Some other things learned about Rayman was that Ubisoft has been
developing the game for the 32/64-bit systems simultaneously for
more than a year.
The programmer for Jag Rayman also attended the conference and made
a surprising revelation. The 68000 CPU was utilized for 70% of the
code of Jag Rayman! So it shows as programmers migrate to using
more and more of the RISC CPUs and less of the 68000, the Jag can
match or overpower the PSX and Saturn at various tasks.
Just a shame that most developers on the Jag were awful.
@@RetroCore as was the development tools and the chipsets themselves, Rob Nicholson of Handmade Software said they needed another 2 revisions to work all the bugs out.
I always preferred the Jag version, more dynamic and vibrant colors.
"Action's pretty tame, being the first game in the series"
Still the hardest game in the series though, and one of the harder platformers on ps1
Yep, that is true. Its the jumps that can make it tricky.
Go ol' Rayman. A fella that always puts a smile on my face. I got the Jaguar version and the Playstation version in the collection bro. 8^)
Anthony..
Great game, but later stages are extremely difficult, making it one of hardest platforms of all time (Space Mama was especially nightmare).
Michel Ancel told Gamestm, in an interview, back in Issue 11: 'When we did the original Rayman, Sony was telling us it was'nt the right style for the current trend'.
Sounds typical of Sony Europe and America back then. As we k know, Sony Japan had a different approach.
@@RetroCore Team 17 had a nightmare convincing Sony Worms was right for the platform
Well, another special one for me, here. It was my first PSX game and I have it in my old PSP when I need a fix of good 2D platforming.
3:14 Reminds me of one of the level themes in Bubsy II, lolz
10:02 For the platform, damn that looks awesome. It definitely looks well-made, top-tier for the time.
12:28 I agree; it looks bloated. Sad, because the Game Boy Advance was capable of a *_lot_* more... :/
I only knew of the PSX and SS versions. Nope, I never got to play this game. It's one of many I had an interest in but never had a fair chance to play. #underprivileged
The best thing about the Jaguar version is that it came out first and I got it because I already had a Jaguar at the time.
I have to disagree with you on this one. I have this for both Jaguar an PSX and the Jag is my preferred version to play. It has tighter controls, and exclusive shmup like stage (that you showed in this video) that was changed on later editions to a not as satisfying flying and punching level. On the newer versions they also added annoying slippery mechanics that weren't in the original.
Not surprised the controls are tighter. If I'm correct, Rayman was first developed for the Jaguar.
The Saturn version is the best.
The original is the PS1 version it released a few days before the Atari version.
This actually came outta left field for me, actually. Great choice for a game to cover, Yakumo!
That GB Color version looks and sounds like an early C64 game, reminds me a bit of Gribbly's Day Out - anyone else remember that?
Rayman is, to me at least, one of the best legacies the Atari Jaguar left to us before its eventual demise, in addition of being one of its very best titles. I wonder how the game would have run on the 32X and 3DO, as it was also planned to be launched for those systems...
I want so many games ported to 32x... Competently.
I can imagine the 32X port looking nice but running at 30fps.
@@RetroCore maybe true but the megadrive had adventures of flink which was a hint that maybe it could handle rayman (sure, toned down on visuals but, doable)
@@jimkrom I think given the 32x added 46Mhz of cpu and another 23Mhz vdp in addition the the Mega Drive it could run this game with ease with the only botttleneck being memory with only 256KB work and 256KB vram.
I remember when my best friend got this game and SF Alpha 1 on his PS. We spent SO much time playing this as we were HUGE 2D mascot platformer fans since we were little kids!
Man, just hearing the intro and flood stage musics bring back so many feels. Tough as nails but we got got through it. Loved going back through with the level skip code later!
I didn't play the Saturn version until much later and noticed a lot of the cool little touches like the awesome scene transitions and slightly higher resolution.
Never played the sequels. I know I should (especially Legends).
Back before Ubisoft ruled the world! 😊
I first played on playstation, didn't realise first released on the jag
I enjoyed , great graphics , but jump from what we had on snes , megadrive
9:33 did i just see a high quality FMV in a gameboy colour game? thats crazy and my pick for this one would be hundred precent the saturn
Yep, it does have some animated movie footage.
@@RetroCore animated movie footage in a gameboy game? damn i have seen pikachu's voice in pokemon yellow but give me a break lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Coincidentally, there's also a DSiWare port from the people who did the Earthworm Jim port.
Noted in the beginning that they don't have a version that will work with their DS.
@@AmyraCarter ...oh.
One of the most impressive game in graphic terms for the Game Boy Color
I do think the GBC port does make good use of colour.
I noticed your description mentions that the Dsi version is long gone. But it was actually made available on the 3DS eshop. That's how I'm experiencing rayman 1 for the first time
Good to hear its back.
When the 3DS shop opened all the DSiware games were made available there. You can still buy that version of Rayman on it. Regardless, thanks for the great video once again!
BTW, great video, but it worth mentioning that Rayman 1 did have a DSi download version: raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_(Nintendo_DSi) still available via 3DS eShop in US/EU regions, and iOS and Android now removed (got to love digital, not really!)
Also would love Rayman 2 someday: raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_2 has loads of ports/versions.
Thank you very much for this video. Rayman was one of my favourite mascots from the 90's. Cheers!
The Ms dos also had this Rayman Gold version with several new stages
As usual an amazing video that is very informative, I never knew that Rayman had a Dos version, will have to check that one out👍🌸
Didn't Rayman come bundled with some PowerVR cards?
Wooow Rayman !
I remember reading about the plans to port it into 32x. It would probably be the same case as with Pitfall, the only game I saw in action on a Jaguar. I guess the Jag discussion is on thanks to this episode. I think its safe to say, that this is right now truly a classic 2D platformer from the 90s. Altough my favourite 90s 2D platformer would be definetly Claw. Sadly it wont be never ever discussed here, as it was a PC exclusive :P Which is a real shame, I can imagine the port of this game on Sega Saturn with even better music than the original midi soundtrack becoming one of the cult titles for the system. Unfortunately Monolith productions until the console releases of F.E.A.R. were tied with MS.
I also remember reading somewhere about the plans to develop Tomb Raider for the Jaguar. Seeing as Ngage could handle it (but it was more of a tech demo for the system) Im sure the real Jag could do it as well. Some of the homebrews for the system look quite impressive. Maybe if the games and the unit were cheaper than the competition (Sony and Sega), the console would be at least somewhat a success.
Plus I realised recently, that after Atari stopped making Jag, and until Xbox came around the console market was dominated by Japanese manufacturers.
No such plans, just Magazines wrongly assuming Tomb Raider would debut on Jag CD and 3DO.
Core Design boss, Jeremy Heath-Smith made clear Jaguar was only going to recieve enhanced versions of existing Mega CD titles, not original I. P
Times has changed, I wrote it 2 years ago.
There is a fanmade alpha version of TR for the Panasonic, working with acceptable framerate. Check it out!
I Love You Retro Core! I'm Playing Rayman!
The GBA version is the version that I played as a child. Made me feel in live with the series. It made me buy and play Rayman 2 on PC, which was even better. One of my favorite games from my childhood. I never got to finish the game, so currently I'm doing just that with the Dreamcast version of Rayman 2 in an emulator. I'm ready passed the point that I got to as a child, which was a bit before the half of the game hahaha.
I was even worse at Rayman 3. I bought the game with the little money I had around the released, but I never finished the tutorial! At one point you need to punch around a wall to make a platform go up, but I never understood that completely and tried to fly around the wall to punch the target haha. Now I know better, so when I finnaly finish Rayman 2, I'll do the same with Rayman 3.
Now that I think of it, I've never actually finished a Rayman game.
Have you ever played Rayman Redemption? It's a fan-made remake of Rayman 1 and it adds a lot of content, tweaks the levels a bit and makes the game more sane. Ater Rayman 3 I'm planning on finishing that game as wel. I've played it for a bit and it's really good so far!
Can't say I'd even heard of Rayman Redemption. I'll need to check it out some time.
@@RetroCore I've seen some footage of Redemption and if you're a Rayman fan you will not be disappointed, look up the Mr. Dark fight (actually fights would be more accurate) to get just a taste of what's in store.
As for the best version I have to go with Saturn it added so much to the overall presentation and if I'm remembering correctly it also had tighter controls too. I've also always preferred the higher pitched SFX/Voices of the Saturn as well, they made an already very cartoonish game feel even more cartoonish.
Although there's one thing I'm curious about with your Saturn footage, is it actually that bright on hardware or does your capture setup do something to the footage?
I'm sorry that you could not get the DSi version running for this week's show, but...
Have you tried to run it on the 3DS instead? It has more chances to run it than a non DSi DS.
It dosen't really matter that you missed the ones for Nintendo DSI and mobile, as those two are just ports of the pc version.
Never cared much for Rayman, myself. Though, I know people who swear he's the end all be all platform hero.
I had it for ps1 and it just didn't feel snappy enough. Maybe the other ports were better? Because I know right like everyone loves it.
Me too, I´ve always found the game beautiful, but too generic and too "colorful" for my taste. We already had millions of platform games back then.
Probably because it was on the PlayStation. Everyone seems to think there was nothing but Gold on the PlayStation. Kind of annoying. I was reading one blog that stated Rayman started life on the PlayStation? What? It started life being programmed on an Atrai ST for the SNES CD then actually got released on the Jaguar.
@@RetroCore He's not that compelling of a character either. I mean he was upstaged and then vastly overshadowed by what were supposed to be a single game's throwaway villains for crying out loud. You know you're lame when what are essentially henchmen end up being more successful than you.
Me encanta tus videos
The only gba music I would listen to is the video game ace attorney. It has a very nice soundtrack.
I had no clue that Rayman was originally released on the Jaguar wow...
Sadly in the world of PlayStation fan mags and sites they forget to mention Rayman was a multi platform title starting life of the Jag.
Very true, Mark! Also what's wrong with Digital Eclipse? Didnt they handle the Capcom Generations ports on PS2 and I'm noticing the Mega Man Legacy collections on current gen systems?
There was a DSi version as well...
Great game, but this game was difficult as hell. I have no idea how i cleared this game when i was a kid. Probably with brute force.
Rayman remind me of Astal on Saturn. Nice vídeo, as usual..
I can see the connection there.
The Jaguar version is the last game I need to recomplete my Jaguar collection from my childhood.
Thin was also parted to the DSi and 3DS as a DSiWare title
Probably the best game available for Jaguar.
If big the best then at least one of the best.
@@RetroCore honestly I can't think of better games, maybe Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator (the latter but I always found it overrated)
My choices are the PC, PS1, and GBA port.
Great comparison video! I also noticed something amusing in it: the PS1 version's new sound effects that are used in all the later versions are too fast and high pitched on the Saturn, and too slow and low pitched on DOS! It's especially noticeable with the gunman enemy's devious laugh.
It was a shame to see you give up on ascending to that optional area at 5:19 - the fourth cloud disappears and reappears by itself, so you just needed to jump on the previous ones with different timing. And, I can understand your confusion at 5:22, since you'd think to crawl you would duck and then press left or right, but instead you have to press L1 or R1, haha!
I grew up with the PS1 version, but the Saturn one is my personal favourite - I may be biased though, because the Saturn is my favourite console ever!
The crawling section really stumped me because on the Jaguar version you just crawl as expected. Why on earth did they change it?
@@RetroCore Haha, I guess they were excited about having shoulder buttons due to moving from the Jaguar to the PS1, and they wanted to make use of them! I can see why you were stumped, since you'd just been playing it on the Jag. I'm not sure why they didn't just let you crawl with either the shoulder buttons or pressing down and left/down and right!
A staggering 98% for the Jaguar version from French Magazine, Player One
Well, when you look at what was on offer I can see why.
I don't really care what people say, even on day of release Alien VS Preditor looked and played like ass. Take out the license and nobody would care less. Tempest is good for what it is but it's not system pusher.
@@RetroCore ironically, Defender 2000 was more of a system pusher, Jeff Minter using the Jaguar GPU far more, than what was done with Tempest 2000, which had a lot of 68000 code, plus Bitter and the RISC chips being coded 'backwards' to create custom effects... but was bloody awful to play.
The A. I routines crippled the frame rate on AVP, which is something of a joke, as serial bullshit tee Jane Whittaker has since run around telling the press AVP was his game, A. I routines used in N64 Goldeneye (total lie, Dr David Doak wrote his own for Rare), he was lead coder.
You then have the Kingsley Bros claiming credit for concepts Purple Hampton came up with.
Whole affair is an utter mess.
Game itself has aged really badly, the acid blood puddles for a start should dissappear over time..
Skyhammer was Rebellion at it's technical best on the system
Awesome BOTP video Mark, damn the difficulty in this game had me pulling my hair out :(
It can get quite tricky. Typical Euro platformer but with a hint of Japanese flavour.
Jaguar version feels the smoothest and is the most satisfying to play imo, also not having to wait at loading screens as cartridges are just so much faster.
Ooof right in my childhood.
The sega saturn has transistion screen at the finish of the level
The Jaguar version was so much better than the PlayStation port. Besides the PlayStation port mission animation frames, the controls were really slippery. It was very easy to over shoot platforms and timing on bosses was much harder. Plus the super long load times. I'm sure there wasn't a technical reason why the PlayStation port was worse, maybe the developers didn't have time to learn the hardware completely?
Tried many times to get into this game. But it is just too hard for my feeble skills. After about the tenth time dying do to being one pixel off in a jump, I put the game down until the next time. Still, really good to see the comparison. Especially fun to see a Jaguar game in one of these.
Fun fact: the Jag version, despite being the original, wasn't released first. Also, the slippery platforms in Band Land are not slippery for some reason.
That's a good point. Can't stand slippery surfaces in games.
@@RetroCore ICE WORLD'S, SHUDDER... The bane of so many European designed platform games over the years
Thanks for another great video.
I did Install the android version on my GPD XD, but I ended up not playing it that much because it was kinda unstable. It would hang up out of the blue without any warning... That said, it looked really good. My first encounter with rayman was a demo on a pc cd that came with a magazine. It had something like 2 levels from the forest area but they were not the first two levels :P
The MS-Dos version was the one modified to make it easier in difficulty compared the other ones, notably with the difference of the first level in Band Land along with a few others. Other than that, it's the PC version that has the most versions of the first era of Rayman games with titles like "Rayman by his fans", "Rayman 60 levels", "Rayman Designer" and the ones for education.
Rayman 60 levels? Is that an official release? I've not heard of it before.
@@RetroCore Yes, it is. It was included in the Rayman Collector edition that was only released in German and France.
Ah, that would explain why I'd never heard of it.
I have a windows 98 machine and to my eyes Dos version runs at 60fps, you might be using dosbox which would be causing issues
Might be 75hz vs 60 Hz
Yeah. Definitely some lag going on there.
Yep I bought the MS-DOS one in the 90s and it was one of the earliest silky smooth games I'd ever played on PC.
@@shaggymcdaniel3216 i think its because of doxbox emulation
I wish they would port the enhanced DOS version (can't remember which system it was on) on Steam .
I had the MSDOS version as a kid, I wish I knew where the cd went.
Gotcha Mark. I'll be looking forward on seeing it for sure. 8^)
Anthony..
I like the Jaguar the best, it feels better and looks better than the others. Everyone keeps saying how the sound is better on the PSX and Saturn and whilst I agree the sound is better quality, I much prefer the Atari MUSIC to the orchestral style on the PlayStation and Saturn, and the catchy tunes lose something on the CD ports
Not surprised the Saturn version did well and won again, but the more I think about it, the more I feel bad for Atari Jaguar owners having (one of) their only redeeming games be outclassed by the 32-bit machines that came after. The console pretty much got straight up murdered by them.
Now on to the other ports.
I'd say while the MS-DOS port is disappointing, it's still a pretty good version worth trying for PC owners (with MS-DOS).
I'm absolutely amazed at the GBC FMV. It reminds me of that Toy Story Racer game on GBC, which was actually made by Tiertex! (Which by the way, I still can't believe it was made by them) Otherwise, pretty nice port that kept the GBC limitations in mind. (Except the music)
While the GBA port looks as nice as the 32-bit console versions, which is pretty cool actually, it's easily the worst port yet again.... (WHEN WILL IT END??????) As you said, I would've preferred re-drawn sprites to fit in the GBA's tiny screen. However, it still has that garbled and awful sound like most GBA games have, which I would agree on you about.
Great video once again
the MS-DOS port is on par with the 32-bit consoles for the most part with gameplay tweaks to make it slightly easier. RetroCore probably ran into technical issues because the port usually runs at 50 or 60FPS according to the settings. Where it shines is the custom level designer made for it and the ensuing level packs released to retail.
I think you forgot the N64 version
And there was a DSiWare version with new features
If not mistaken Rayman didn't released in n64.Only Rayman 2.
Ze Zii True. What was really cool about Rayman 2 on N64 was the Ram cart functionality and the cartridge was GREEN!
@@shaggymcdaniel3216 Were cool times to be a Gamer.
That is true. No original Rayman on the N64
@@RetroCore Indeed,i know that very well because N64(together With Dreamcast)are my fav consoles ever,N64 got rayman 2(the Best version of the game)till dreamcast version arrived and surpassed it in all aspects.
Im did actuelly newer beat the endgame boss in Rayman 2, which was way too difficulty, as least in the PC version. This can/could been why im newer returned to any of those games? Dispite the first one here does looks ace and is a real classic game of the area. All ports does look nicely playable, which is nice to see, dispite various issues.
You should do Rayman 3. It's radically different from one release to the next.
Rayman advance is based on the pc version along with rayman dsi and the mobile versions
You can see it at the cage possishions and bongo hills part 1 (gba removed that one)
And the soundeffect for tings as well
If I had the choice, I'd go with the Jaguar version. IMO it looks every bit as good as the PS and Saturn versions, but you have the added benefit of no loading times. The CD audio and FMV intros of the disc version are nice, but I'd choose no loading if it was 1995 and I had all three consoles.
To be fair, the loading on the Saturn version isn't really an issue.
Jaguar version: First and best!!
Saturn version looks better, it has better colour and seems to run a bot smooth - Maybe just me being more biased because I like the Saturn more.
There should be an android and ios port of it. I have it on iPhone, it seems to be the PS1 version with a clean animated intro. Never played the android version. I had the GBC version and I think its one of the prettiest games on the system.
There are no smart phone versions now. It was pulled in 2018.
Huh, didn't know this was originally a Jaguar game. It's so famous on the Playstation. That being said, this is one of the few comparisons on the channel where all versions are competent enough. The Saturn version is probably the best, and the GBA version the worst, but they all look to be a fun time. A shame they put such ear-grating music in the GBC version, though. The compositions themselves seem halfway decent, but like Mega Man II GB, the developers made it WAY too high-pitched.
I've read some poor sites on the net that claim Rayman was a PlayStation exclusive. That's how blind they are to anything other than PlayStation.
Hi Retro Core, Did you know that Rayman for DSI is at 3DS eshop? You can still get this game, however you have until March 27 in which both 3DS and Wii U eshop will close down. As for the Add funds part, you can still use funds by add funds from your Nintendo Switch. But you have to make sure that your Nintendo Network ID (3DS and Wii U) is link to your Nintendo Account (Nintendo Switch and Website) in order to make it work. The Reason why is that because I thought a possible for you to remastered a Battle of the Ports - Rayman Video with a DSI Version of Rayman Game. What do you think, Retro Core? See You Later.
No, I didn't know that.
While I own a 3DS and DS, I never use them.
This also got a DSi shop/3DS eShop port right?
Also damn the GBA version looks brutal. The amount of screen crunch in Advance reminds me of the Game Gear Mega Man game.
Read the bottom caption at 0:15 for that first bit of your comment
@@solarflare9078 Oh...Guess I was distracted by the multiple screenshots of each version. Thanks for pointing that out.
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So, where is
The dsi Port Of rayman
Read the video discription or the text t the begining when the port images are shown before leaving a comment.
I have to disagree on the differences between the Jaguar and the Playstation versions.
The Jaguar version actually has more onscreen colours and tends to move a lot better than the Playstation version. It also plays a lot better than the Playstation version which is overtly difficult. Don't get me wrong... Rayman on Jaguar isn't an easy game either, but I find it to be a fairer game on Atari's platform.
The only positives of the Playstation version over the Jaguar version are the CD audio and cutscenes.
Shinto of The Jaguar Podcast site, ran colour tests on the Jaguar game, claims he only found screens with a maximum of around 8,000 colours onscreen, yet game was advertised as using 65,000 colours.
Hmnn.. 🤔
It wouldn't surprise me. Maybe the 65,000 colours was the avaliable pallet that could be chosen from?
@@RetroCore A. A user Zerosquare kindly cleared the matter up:
65.000 (65.536 actually) is the color bit depth, not the amount of unique colors per screen
So all the Jaguar fan boys who claim Jaguar beats Saturn and PlayStation versions by using 65,000 colours on screen, might like to take note 😉
Also Mark, is Peter Pack Rat in line for this weeks Battle of the Ports?
Anthony..
I'm still looking in to that one.
Jaguar version suffered delays as Ubisoft's Frank Slater explained at the time, that as this was Ubisoft's 1st title on a then unfamilar platform, there was a learning curve which meant delays, these delays were not intentional, were'nt due to any strategic implications and had nothing what so ever to do with other versions now being annouced/planned.
The good news is Rayman is coming soon to a Jaguar near you - - before it
comes to any other system. Expect to be playing one of the most graphically
eye-popping, amazingly fun and challenging platform games ever made by
June.
Rayman is also being developed for other next-generation systems including
the PSX and the Saturn, for a summer 1995 release in Japan and release in
the rest of the world as soon as those systems become available outside of
the land of the rising sun.
There is a PSX demo version out in Japan right now, perhaps this is where some of the confusion came from.
Hope this clears things up some.
Frank Slater
Ubi Soft France'
There's also Rayman Forever for PC. Apparently it lacks a lot of the ost though, maybe the dos version did as well.
raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_Forever
The Game Boy Color version is another game
Amazing it has Chinese subtitle.
Yes, some of my videos do.
you forgot the dsiware port based on the gba port :(
and the android port too
The GBA version is impressive, taking in mind the device was like a more powerful SNES. I wonder of this game would had been possible with the SFX2 chip.
Well, duh. The GBA it's not just a more powerful SNES, it's actually a 32-bit console.
7:28 Ubi Soft!
Where I'm from we say You B Soft.
Such a beautiful game! I'll try to get the Saturn port in the future if I ever see it for a good price. Rayman 2 is definitely my favorite though and it would be great to see a future episode on it!