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Isnt it a good thing that the highest difficulty in a game is unbelievably hard to nearly impossible to win? I see in countless other games that players complain of endgame being too easy (even though it required many hundreds of game hours before these players found it to be too easy) From that point of view isnt it best if the highest possible difficulty is near unsolvable?
It's not just the higher difficulties, where it may be more prevalent. My buddy and I typically play 5/6(just the two of us) to just mindlessly zone out, and yesterday every extraction was bonkers. To the point of frame rates tanking on PS5. The patrols seemed less, and it's like all the bots went to exfil. 17 scout striders, 25 berzerkers, 5 shield and rocket devs, 2 hulks, 3 drop ships and just squad after squad of little guys. All with in about 1 min of starting exfil. Doesn't happen every mission maybe every 1 in 5 or so with the bugs. Fun, but crazy.
Ya that's awesome. Wish it happened every mission but don't want to get greedy. The chaos is about the only reason I play. Me and my squad intentionally let robots call in reinforcements to bring excitement to the game. If you just stick to objectives! 9s are boring with a 4 man. We add excitement via bot drops. Seeing a factory walker or two get dropped off with a couple tanks and more hulks than I can count with my fingers and a division of sheildons...almost brings tears of joy from these eyes
@@lukemehalick370 The thing is, I don't play the game for any sort of challenge. It's an after work 2-3 hrs of mindless fun game for us. So the occasional crazy exfil is fine by me.
You noticed that too? I find it's not just on exfil. It's everywhere. If the planet you're on is got a lot of wide open area they show up in huge numbers. Dropping walkers and berzerkers almost as much as infantry. It's like there was a sea of red lasers just coming at us like tidal waves. I was struggling to remember if it was ever like that before. It just cranked up the closer we got in objectives towards exfil. Once we even went to get a treasure locations that had three units guarding it and I sware thirty showed up in less time than I could yell "HOLY SHIT!"
@@MichaelM28 Absolute bullshit. Sony didn't develop the game. Arrowhead did. And the game was great enough to be pushed by organic methods, not the mainstream publishing methods that sony chose. Sony pushed the organic methods later on because they were working better. The game was pushing itself even without them. Sony is responsible for nearly killing the game. No idea where you're coming from. Your 'cope' comeback makes no sense and shows that you have little to no factual knowledge on the topic.
Yeah, Arrowhead is doing a "great" job. Without Sony, this game wouldn't even be real. People can keep hating on Sony, but you'll still be overshadowed by their massive Japanese dong.
9:19 there was a short period of time when the SEAF artillery would tell you the shell, but it got removed. same with pinging the map for POI's getting removed.
@@DesolateLavender you can still ping them in LOS and your character will call it out verbally but they don't actually mark them on the map like they used to.
@unearthlyenemy Wow. What the hell was going through the devs heads? Why nerf discovering points of interest? Only thing that comes to mind is artificially increasing player engagement by making you spend longer on the map to find poi's, if that is in fact something you pursue.. Though that fails my logic as me and the boys would be on planet till the timer ran out looking for those sites. So who knows. 🤷♂️
I've noticed two fairly recent bugs that have made playing against bots even less fun: - Sometimes bots can simply walk over defensive walls, boulders and scale mountains as if it was flat terrain, making any cover you find completely meaningless - Had a few instances where bots (mainly shielded devastators) were able to shoot through large rock formations making covers even more useless
one of the most grievous ragdoll issues is the involunatary animation (for the player) of their character attempting to stand up over and over! They should remove that immediately, so you can stim and have time on the ground. You can always move on your own and begin the standing up process.
I 211% agree. Im reloading on the very small limited cover and then something slightly ragdolls me and my character stands up in the crimson bolt lit hellscape and get pulverized. Bruh...
This would actually be a great way to add balance to bot fights, too. You lose a lot of time (and as a result take a lot of extra damage) to the standing animations when you could be shooting, stimming, or stratagemming. Could even make it a toggle option in the settings if you wanted to, since the ground is your enemy against bugs
Don’t do that man, it’s perfectly okay to take a break! You don’t want to get burned out on the game. I personally am taking a break until the end of summer or whenever there’s another large scale content drop.
My biggest problem with bots is all the stagggering and ragdolling add it the crazy ammounts of heavy bots And the fact that all bots can just randomly headshot you And man bots just needs some work
I dunno, on higher difficulty bettlefield awareness and picking your fights is key. I dont feel like a suffer as much. With a well coordinated team you can make quick work of any situation as not permitting it to get out of hand, works. People also focus on one thing too easily, even in real life. Its not always ideal if everyone is engaging the same targets.
As long as you get a good initial drop, bots are easy on lvl 9. They have annoying quirks like side by side gunship fabricators that get bugged and stuck on the production alarm and spit out 4 a piece in a matter of seconds, but they aren't hard.
@@BulkBoganWhy work harder with an inferior weapon for bots? I have multiple loadouts for bots none of which I'd even consider going with the incendiary breaker
I love this game but the spawns are so broken still. I was playing a level 4 and I got 5 hulks, and just constant spawns of devastators and striders and aimboting bots that find me even when I’m trying not to be seen or from over 250 meters away. I couldn’t catch a break. Just tired and I want to come home after a hard day of work to relax, not get frustrated by a game. It’s honestly not just higher levels but all levels.
We tested the smoke and they still aimbot through the smoke, even from over 200ms. I was so annoyed then. They said the bots wouldn't be like, AI or something and would be able to cut LOS. But they chase forever. Omg, recently I was patrolling alone and 3 devastated spawned right on me with atank, killed me instantly and then simply vanished. No drop ship, I watched them spawn on top of me as I was reloading and just killed me and then despawned a second later. I got it on stream...I just logged off after that.
I play for the gameplay. When i find gameplay getring stale, i switch up my loadouts to try something new. I still have 3 of the newest ship upgrades to unlock by in my opinion those are just a bonus. I love this game. Log in any time i can.
My friend and I recently did an ore survey mission where every single bot drop for the entire mission came with a Factory Strider, patrols were spawning faster than we could clear them, constant Gunship patrols that always seemed to have the max of 5 ships and spawned in already aggro'd, despite not being anywhere near a player, and all of the typical "sniped through terrain by heavy devastator swarms" stuff. And when we finally got to the ore location, the final primary objective point, with only a handful of reinforcements remaining, the bot drop that followed contained not one, not two, but THREE Factory Striders. We threw in the towel at that point. Even with a squad of 4 did not have the resources to deal with that. We failed the mission, and were incredibly frustrated, because we felt like we played as well as we ever did, and there was just no path the victory. We always play Helldive, and it's been a long time since we failed a mission, even accounting for pugs who seemingly have a suicide pact and chew through our reinforcements like candy. It was incredibly disheartening, and we quit for the night right then and there, too disgusted to play anymore that evening. We are 100% okay with failing when we play poorly and make mistakes, it's happened before, and that's fine. What we hate is feeling like we were never given an opportunity to succeed in the first place. And no, this mentality of "sometimes you're meant to lose" is bullshit. Nobody wants to play a game they can't win.
🤣🤣🤣 how are you not embarrassed lmao go play a game that holds your hand then. Your the same game journalist that was probably complaining that elden ring is to hard
I was playing an epic diff 7 yesterday. Got separated from the group because of massive spawns and ended up soloing a side objective and finding the super samples at the edge of the map. I got pinned down behind the sample rock, throwing all my strats at spawns and downing gunships with my AC and actually holding out! Then... Disconnect and crash. So disappointing. I shut off tmy computer and read a book instead.
This may be an issue with your set up, not the game (assuming you're on PC). I had over 20 hours in the game before I could play on any difficulty above 4 because I had to solo all my missions. Check to make sure there are limiters on your motherboard, as the game is likely causing it to overclock, which your processor can't handle.
In regards to the rocket devastators. My head immediately laughed at the monkeys paw idea of them 'fixing this' in regards to endless rockets being them using up all their ammo... And then moving to find the nearest ammo that we use in order to reload. xD
Stoped playing helldivers actively (i unlocked all the stratagem)s, but still like to stay updated about the progress of helldivers. Great video again :)
Honestly, I find the bots easier to deal with than bugs. I just never figured the right loadout to help deal with the sheer swarming numbers that overwhelm and keep you knocked down. The bots are individually tougher, but they come at you in the hundreds, not the thousands.
Same. I never play bugs because I just get swarmed. Bugs feel like a stat check. Do you have enough dps or meta gear to clear them out fast enough? Bots I can legit solo on difficulty 7. I don't think I have ever solo'd a bug mission on that difficulty. I feel like bots let you play tactically, using cover, kiting, and such, where bugs are just swarming you.
true, bots are actually kinda dumb as their patrol while many doesnt just walk towards u randomly(at worse is they stare at you menacingly) and while flamethrower is usually my go to for bugs i just kept getting hit by random hunter(skill issue ik) and it pisses me off so much cause it slows me down and i kept using light armor the dmg is like 1/4 of my hp so end up stimming every single time
It's playing to your strengths and weaknesses, depending on the mission and enemy type. You'll have to adapt your loadouts depending on the situation, but in reality, you can make almost anything work. Personally, I try to keep a mix of support weapon, defensive pack, and eagle/orbital/sentry/exosuit that would allow me to clear swarms, as well as larger enemies. Sometimes I can't deal with a particular problem or enemy so I rely on my team mates for help, using comms. Personally, I enjoy bugs over bots more but I do mix it up. With bugs, lately I've been enjoying the MGs more and I run with a Sickle primary, in which I use the Sickle until just before overheating, and then switch to MG or HMG (preferably on thicker targets) for sustaining the onslaught, only to spend a few seconds allowing the Sickle a breather to then switch back to it and rinse-repeat. Chargers and Bile Titans are a problem with this method, but Bile Spewers are definitely not. I almost always run a staple Auto-Cannon Sentry and with good placement, takes care of Chargers and Bile Titans when I need to. I use stun grenades, grenade pistol, and team mates. My priority targets are always Stalkers/Hunters because they can really derail things, everything else is easily avoidable, you can pretty much side step everything except for Stalkers/Hunters.
Personally I feel like we are always invading a planet that the bots already own they don’t need or want cover , they know cover would only benefit us which is why they chose those places to defend - this is from a roleplay perspective it makes sense for us to not have any cover .
Tbh, Helldivers 2 coming to Xbox doesn't make sense with Sony's current rhetoric. 177 countries still alienated. I live in one of those countries but fortunately for me, I already had a psn account linked and the game was already installed when they fully implemented it. Now Xbox doesn't have the stringent restrictions Sony has for countries and a Microsoft account is pretty much global. So are sony going to mandate that Xbox players have a PSN account to play or would a Microsoft/Xbox account suffice? AND IF SO, would they then restrict the Microsoft/Xbox account linkages to countries NOT on the 177 list? That seems like a stretch to me. Sony doesn't actually care about what their doing as long as they make the money. That's why Sony, just like EA, are shit companies.
Its NOT going to Xbox Jesus..Its Sony's game, SONY owns the IP, Sony isn't having trouble selling hardware and or software because they don't have a bunch of welfare queens relying on a Welfare service like Xbox....Xbox is putting games on everything because Xbots don't buy games so they want Sony and Nintendo players to buy the game Xbots don't buy games, Sony wouldn't ever consider it to get WelfarePass pennies and Arrowhead has ZERO say.
All that Sony wants to do is reignite the console wars because this is the only way they could get any sort of benefit out of what they're doing. And if not helldivers coming to Xbox, what is going on here?
I want three major changes for the endgame in Helldivers 2: 1. If you kill off one faction you should gain a permanent buff until the campaign resets. 2. Endgame planets, unique locations and bigger and more bad ass enemies. 3. Battles on super earth (once we're pushed back or surprise attacks happen). In HD1 you were fighting in destroyed cities when super earth was under attack, we need this for HD2 as well! In general more vehicles, I want the warthog, apc and tanks back... Also please give us a Pelican stratagem, initial attacks are rockets and then it just hovers over you and providing air support for like 30 seconds.
Is it just me or does helldivers suddenly get massive lag spikes that last around a second and then just end? I've messed around in settings and even full performance mode doesn't affect this
Dude I just want more maps that are open and less cluttered. Every map my team seems to get is dotted by lakes or huge ridges, or if it is decently open or cool looking it's drenched in fog or dust. Would be sick if we got the ability to drop down some placeable cover or something too.
@@rayzerot It would kinda suck, but that's not map design that enemy design. The bots should be the anthesis to the nids, not the same thing. Bots, even though they're 90% ranged, they always rush into melee distance no matter what. That seems like an enemy AI problem.
As far as seeing what’s in the SEAF, I remember this well. It happened when I was playing on a daily basis. One day I logged on, and it would show what was loaded in next as you brought up your stratagems. It was a small, but amazing, feature…and it was completely gone the very next day. It was very odd the way they did it, as it almost seems like they were teasing what should be a standard feature.
"I want to play more strategic and creative" Then bring some smoke? Try stealth? I use eagle smoke strike for when I need a break from getting shot at or to do some objectives solo. It works wonders. The tools are in the game already, the neuronal flexibility to access that creativity is clearly lacking in most players.
@@Ashbringer36 Could always be a "you" issue. Maybe you have crap strategy and tactics. Maybe you wouldn't recognize a bad approach or a killbox if it slapped you in the face. You come from COD, Fortnite or Apex?
@@GamerSingularity remember this is the mode that can’t get half the active players to do even with major orders blaring at you. So I’m obviously not the only one. Doesn’t help that trying to solo queue bots is the fastest way to get all the condescending windbags on your team
The open Field was mostly on Martal, the Ice Planet before had plenty of Cliffs etc to break the Vision. If you dont want to fight a Bot Drop you can just run, by the Time they land and start moving you´re already gone. On Martal they spotted you from 500 Meters away
Yes it is the open maps. I immediately noticed it when moving from marfark to martale. Marfark has nice cliffs and ice abutments that stand out and provide some nice cover. Marfark also has broken areas that become waterways that stop patrols from traversing the entire map. The maps need to be more detailed in this way or it’s gonna be a rough time. Ps: I only play on helldive and my teams win most of their missions.
I’m a level 98 and I refuse to play bots anymore until impact is fixed. I run explosive resist armor and ballistic shield to deal with most of the bots but I’ll get knocked over 1 foot and die of impact damage. Tumbles that previously left me at half health instantly kill me now. I like playing against bots but impact is killing me on instances that it shouldn’t kill me on. So until that is fixed I’ve hung up my cape
Use vitality booster. You'd be surprised how many hit points that booster adds to your diver. When reading your comment I thought, "bet he used vitality booster then didn't & got to this conclusion because of that."
I play Balisic Shield vs. Bots too, and I'm pretty confident this is the Shield's hit box still being broken. Near as I can tell, when they "fixed" it (after breaking it the first time) this started happening. I think the Shield sometimes clips into your body, and the game responds by killing you and citing "impact" as the cause. First person Balisic Shield was also broken by that "fix", so I've just stop using that loadout at this point.
I feel like the shield generator stratagem should last MUUUUUCH longer . I’m fine with how much it currently eats damage , it just doesn’t last long at all but those little backpacks last infinitely?
Bots will always be my preferred front of the two, but yeah it definitely needs work. I feel like the patrol fix worked the first half day it was released, and then it got WORSE. I’ve seen patrols literally manifest in front of me in every direction I’m trying to reposition to. The “cover” thing is cap tho. If you’re not getting pincered by bs spawns, you can usually fight from cover to cover with no problem. The real issue is that too many people aren’t thinking tactically enough.
Are you blind? Just check the player counts in game. Saying "unpopular opinion but I like fighting bots" is like saying "unpopular opinion but racism isn't cool".
@@ethanrandall3005 First of all, chill out, touch some grass, or maybe get some fresh air because you seemed to be stressed taking this so seriously. Secondly, checking the player count doesn't mean much when people go to where the major orders take them. Thirdly, in most channels, it's pretty common to see in the comments and forums that way more people enjoy fighting bugs. And fourthly, don't put words in my mouth with that silly analogy. This is just a comment on a video about a video game. ✌🏿
@@ckingch Getting upset says the most about the person being upset than the one they think they're arguing with. Communities and major orders go without saying. Compare the player counts during either major orders, or simply between major orders. It's not that complicated to figure out which is why I didn't explain it in the previous comment. The majority of players prefer bots. In your community, it could very well be different. That's how communities work. I was referring to the player base as a whole. It's not an opinion. It's a statistic. If you want to argue against the statistics, you either need to go back to school and ask your math teacher for help or you need to ask God for help, depending on what it is with the statistics you're struggling to grasp. I hope this helps you construct better comments in the future instead of relying on passive-aggressive statements. Even if you were trying to be humerous, "grass touching" stopped being funny several years ago. Come up with something unique. Good luck. ✌🏿
SEAF Artillery used to show the current shell readied. But, my beef with bots and bugs is the spawn rates of patrols, said patrols making a beeline to your position via explosions or sentries, with completing a objective.
@@Spectacular_Insanitythat, along with the fact they don't have recoil when they fire, we do. So we're at an enormous disadvantage. Unless you have a grenade launcher, or something that fires quickly. Quasar basically useless because of the recoil, so a set of 3-4 of them together is a nightmare to deal with.
The enemy ammo thing is interesting. It does seem like they should have some kind of limit and have to reload/resupply from something. Maybe a reloading bot or ammo container drop they have to go to (but we could also reload from). And it would be interesting if the rocket devastators ran out of rockets after x number and would have to use a secondary gun or just melee.
tbh cover shouldn't be an issue if you think about it for a moment. If everone in the squad takes the deployable shield bubble they can make their own cover. Thing can be crazily op. But I do welcome more biomes ( where is my urban map and my underground map - yes, i still want that despite stratagem issues ?). And give devastators a max ammo barrier.
Upgrades to the extraction shuttle (Pelican) would be great. A few ideas i had was to add a force field to it when it lands, or mounted guns that players can use when entered. By upgrades, i mean the one you get using samples.
One thing that would be a massive game changer is SAM sites. They have the potential to be really good, but the SAM sites have slow tracking and not enough damage
Bunkers and lookout towers for sniper players would be so huge. Fighting using their bases against them is one of the best feelings but some of the flat maps are genuinely hell when there’s no cover and 3 tank towers and a factory strider have you pinned between 4 patrols
all those nerfs for players but none for bots and their infinity rockets.... you should see how they empty their rocket rack same asi you see emptying yourself from patriot exo
It seems most people really do prefer the bugs some some reason. We have a liberation modifier that = no resistance and way faster lib times but yet 60% of the player base went to estanu bug land instead of liberating Charon Prime followed by Charbal to lock down the sector. Tactics be damned tho I guess. IMO, bugs are kind of uninteresting to fight. Swarms and point blank fighting is fun to an extent but I find the bots just much more satisfying to go up against. Having to use cover, ambushes, flanking, target prioritization/popping the commisar to prevent reinforcements, it just hits better for me on the bot side.
9:10 You are correct. I am pretty sure that it just was not on their top priority to fix that so instead to avoid confusion they just no longer list it.
I have never been in a situation where I didn't have any cover unless I made a grave mistake in my positioning and judgement. Even the wide open maps have plenty of structures, rocks, hills, divots, and even craters in the ground from heavy bombardments or prolonged engagements. I love the cover dynamic in this game, it feels very realistic and it's one of the most enjoyable aspects of fighting bots, at least for me. The problem is bots shooting through fog, smoke, storms, and other barriers from extremely long range, with relatively high accuracy, for an infinite amount of time. Also the fact that rockets can one shot you in the head from across the map (with heavy explosive resistance armor), or ragdoll you forever so you can't even play the game.
Tbh I think it'd be pretty simple to make a deployable cover stratagem. Could even be a throwable with an energy shield wall, tall enough to crouch behind. Maybe have it reduce the ragdoll effects for divers behind it, so they can actually utilize said cover.
I think adding more cover could be a great thing but Helldive should stay hard. It's the highest level of difficulty for a reason and with great strategies such as clearing patrols before they call in backup or not engaging in all combat to name a few makes Helldive a lot better to manage. Also, nothing feels more badass than clearing an entire bot army while avoiding gunship fire. I would love for level 9 to stay as is.
I've noticed a nutso quantity of partols on helldive difficulty, where they spawn practically on top of you almost like bot drops. This only started recently.
As someone who plays on 6-7 most nights, cuz I wanna have fun and I generally play with randoms, it’s nuts there too. It is a constant firefight from go.
I don't usually play on 8 or 9 because it's less fun than 7. 7 bots feels balanced. Higher than that, and it's sometimes laughable while you're tossed around from rocket barrages continually. I think the biggest balance needed is those rocket devs that can hit you from 200meters out like the rockets are photons.
Pc, anyone else completely unable to get a game going? Crashing on startup, finally loads long LONG search times and if i get one it instantly crashes!
Ok. So hear me out. They ARE the T-1000s from Terminator. Sooooooo. Them walking out of the wreckage isn't impossible. Maybe reduce the numbers that survive?
The lack of cover on snow maps is why I really hate playing bots on them. And also the knee high snow that slows you down. And then you have 2 gunship factories in the middle of an open, snow covered plains.
Yes, bots are harder. But... People do complete helldive difficulty regularly. So it is not "broken". If one particular person can't do it, that's not a problem. Play on a lower difficulty.
That fella's right, bot and map design does skew the combat in their favour. The majority of bugs spend most of their time gap closing whereas the heavy ranged focus of the bots allows them to engage much more easily on open maps and their cover penetration makes it even easier. More structures would help as would trenches if they didn't want to pack the map with bunkers.
the last game had barbed wire that was deployed via fighters, with the Pelican drop mechanic a airdropped bunker or shield doesent seem entirely unreasonable
Regarding cover, I actually wouldn't mind more structures and little set pieces, like improvised barricades set up by SEAF units before getting overrun, and stuff like that, especially on planets we're defending. Also, I think the Devastator variants need a nerf, like making rocket ones have either a limit to their rockets or having to slowly reload, and the heavies being less accurate, especially when moving.
Charon Prime had an average of of 5000 divers on it yesterday and we are already at 38% liberation while the 10k divers on Estanu made little to no progress. if we manage to liberate at least 2 planets before the modifier is removed it will make great progress against the bots
Sometimes bots are decently manageable. Other times if you get the worst luck (jammers and gunship facilities right next to each other) it can become overwhelmingly stressful.
Players generally focus on gameplay changes, bug fixes, and balance. What sits on my mind, though is the lack of progression opportunities. I would love more things to spend my requisition on, I said, maxed out constantly, so there are no real rewards for missions. Samples come at a steady pace, no concerns there. But I also miss the system from the first game, where you could purchase talents for specific stratagems to specialize.
They need to make experience points and requisition slips relevant again somehow. You keep earning/finding them, but once you've bought everything, req slips just max out with no purpose.
I've thought it'd be cool and help balance if automatons had to go back to resupply somewhere. A bot that carries ammo, a outpost, various stuff. If they are cut off from supply, they are down to more basic weapons. Bugs could panic, rely on a queen or something and scatter when there's too much firepower or something. Mix up even more the difference of enemies.
On the lowkey the bot spawning is kinda muffed up on level 6/7 too. As we push a base I’m met with 5 hulks in one base, 4 devastators, 2 heavy tanks, a light tank and then the reinforcements brought 3 more hulks, devastators and a few dozen of the standard T-1000s which aren’t too big of an issue but almost 10 hulks in a 2 minute time frame is insane
I just started to play this game and I had such a good time, found a really nice new Zealander who teached me all the basic mechanics spawned a mech for me and it was just great. Today I surely return and hope that my new friend does the same. I really love this game now!
A bug main or perhaps former by now. Dropped into the last major order and rocked the bots on all diffs. Why can their lasers shoot threw some of the rocks, makes taking cover unless. A time delay on the rocket devastators just like the shoulder mounted one, it shoots and waits for a bit before shooting again. Beyond that, bots currently aren't as impossible as many iterations before.
I understood the dropship mechanic can be annoying because you take it down one fleet then it should not have any survivors. However, I like the fact there are some survivors that can annoy you.
Make sure to check the mission modifiers before you drop. One of them is orbital scatter and it'll cause all orbital strikes to land off target. There's also the fact that orbitals are fired from your ship above the map and will be angled based on where the ship is in relation to where you are. This could mean the difference between a strike landing on a charger or a rock next to the charger.
I don’t mind that some things survive when the drop ships are shot down (I know people would optimize the fun straight out of the game) but it should be consistent enough that I can rely on it as a strategy
I might get hate for this but I think We can learn a lot or get some ideas from the Ghost recon franchise when it comes to cover that could be applied for helldivers as well
Adding more cover just means you still can't see them before they blow you away with true Terminator accuracy. Addressing symptoms and not problems seems...interesting as a choice.
My biggest gripe with the bots is the drops. I can fistfight my way through patrols and even drops. But when said drops just pop in 2 walkers.... thats a bit too much. IMO bots are the most epic and fun missions in the game but can get real frustrating real quick
I agree with the dropship kills for the most part. If the devs wanted to get sophisticated, you can make the bots take fall and explosive damage from the crash. Maybe some do survive... But the whole company? No way.
I honestly hope we get Passive customization before cosmetic cause i feel like its the same passives at least if we have say two slots for swapping out passives on a armor that would be a win
5:52 on this topic, what i feel like is heavily needed is that rocket devs and heavy devs need a little bit more downtime between their volleys. There have been multiple times where im vs a heavy dev behind cover, wait for him to finish, and am only able to get like one shot off before im staggered and lose half my hp. I used to not think this a problem when i had the o.g. breaker since stagger is soo useful vs bots, gives you that opening to shoot them. But so many anti bot weapons got thier stagger removed, amr, railgun etc. Anyways i feel like if their fire rate was slowed down i feel like that would remedy so many things. Since that would make a group of 6 upgraded devs easier to work with, whether ur behind cover or not
I wonder if they’re ever going to patch the bug that sends your camera into the sky if you get hit with ragdolling while diving during first person aim. I put a 15 second clip on my page if you need an example, but as an explosive weapons enthusiast this happens at least once a session every time I play. This can happen from your own explosives or enemy’s, so you’re not safe just picking bugs.
I personally love fighting the bots, it is way more strategic than bugs, but I do agree that Rocket and Heavy Devastators need a touch up. Make Rocket Devs have limited ammo, I mean look at their pack, there's only 12 missiles. Make them fire 2 per salvo instead of 3, one from each shoulder, maybe buff the damage/explosion radius a bit, but they run out after their 6 salvos. Heavy Devs, make their minigun overheat, it's a laser weapon, it HAS to overheat, like our energy--based weapons. Make it so after X seconds, the gun need to cool down for X seconds, giving the player some time to counter during that cooldown. Gunships need a limited amount of rockets also, coz currently they just fire rockets then lasers then rockets every few seconds and it can become impossible to stand up, especially since they perfectly predict your trajectory with leading their shots.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:10 - Sorry For The ECHO & Superstore Reset
2:03 - The Helldivers Won!
4:21 - CEO Takes Heat & Responds
7:55 - Eagles or Orbitals?
8:36 - Oh Hell YES!
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Bots are insanity on Helldive. It's wild getting jumped by 4 striders the moment you're dropped in and then 5 more drop ships come in.
stuff happend lol
Isnt it a good thing that the highest difficulty in a game is unbelievably hard to nearly impossible to win? I see in countless other games that players complain of endgame being too easy (even though it required many hundreds of game hours before these players found it to be too easy)
From that point of view isnt it best if the highest possible difficulty is near unsolvable?
Shooting down bot drops is pointless when everything survives. How is this even a discussion this many months out?
This exactly its a waste of ammo %90 of the time
@@lancefisher8358 It's cool tho, espcially in missions where you have way too many EAT's like in an evacuate mission
That and while the survivors are stuck under the wreck, their weapon fire isn’t. It always seems to be able to clip the wreck too.
It's literally giving cover to the robots you will be fighting in 2 seconds
bc the devs are useless
Pretty sure the SEAF tells you what shell is loaded when you call it in. Be nice to know before the shell is launched.
might be misremembering, but i swear it used to say which shell was loaded in the stratagem menu. could be wrong tho 🤔
@@periwinkle2486most of the time I forget to use it anyways
yeah the seaf shows what you just called in on the beam.
I think it shows the last one you called in, so if you have smoke-mini nuke and you fired the smoke then use it again it'll say smoke iirc
just remember whats in there
It's not just the higher difficulties, where it may be more prevalent. My buddy and I typically play 5/6(just the two of us) to just mindlessly zone out, and yesterday every extraction was bonkers. To the point of frame rates tanking on PS5. The patrols seemed less, and it's like all the bots went to exfil. 17 scout striders, 25 berzerkers, 5 shield and rocket devs, 2 hulks, 3 drop ships and just squad after squad of little guys. All with in about 1 min of starting exfil. Doesn't happen every mission maybe every 1 in 5 or so with the bugs. Fun, but crazy.
Ya that's awesome. Wish it happened every mission but don't want to get greedy. The chaos is about the only reason I play. Me and my squad intentionally let robots call in reinforcements to bring excitement to the game. If you just stick to objectives! 9s are boring with a 4 man. We add excitement via bot drops. Seeing a factory walker or two get dropped off with a couple tanks and more hulks than I can count with my fingers and a division of sheildons...almost brings tears of joy from these eyes
@@lukemehalick370Problem: You see it as a great thing, I see it as a stressful issue
@@lukemehalick370 The thing is, I don't play the game for any sort of challenge. It's an after work 2-3 hrs of mindless fun game for us. So the occasional crazy exfil is fine by me.
You noticed that too? I find it's not just on exfil. It's everywhere. If the planet you're on is got a lot of wide open area they show up in huge numbers. Dropping walkers and berzerkers almost as much as infantry. It's like there was a sea of red lasers just coming at us like tidal waves. I was struggling to remember if it was ever like that before. It just cranked up the closer we got in objectives towards exfil. Once we even went to get a treasure locations that had three units guarding it and I sware thirty showed up in less time than I could yell "HOLY SHIT!"
I think the last mission in a set will have more spawns.
Sony is that mouthy girlfriend that gets you into fights...
LOLOLOLOLOL
Sony is literally responsible for the success of this amazing game. Cope harder
@@MichaelM28 Absolute bullshit. Sony didn't develop the game. Arrowhead did.
And the game was great enough to be pushed by organic methods, not the mainstream publishing methods that sony chose. Sony pushed the organic methods later on because they were working better. The game was pushing itself even without them.
Sony is responsible for nearly killing the game. No idea where you're coming from. Your 'cope' comeback makes no sense and shows that you have little to no factual knowledge on the topic.
Yeah, Arrowhead is doing a "great" job. Without Sony, this game wouldn't even be real. People can keep hating on Sony, but you'll still be overshadowed by their massive Japanese dong.
@@MichaelM28 you Sony ponies aren't the brightest
9:19 there was a short period of time when the SEAF artillery would tell you the shell, but it got removed. same with pinging the map for POI's getting removed.
I'm pretty sure you can still ping POIs. It's just very picky and finicky.
@@DesolateLavender you can still ping them in LOS and your character will call it out verbally but they don't actually mark them on the map like they used to.
@unearthlyenemy Wow. What the hell was going through the devs heads? Why nerf discovering points of interest?
Only thing that comes to mind is artificially increasing player engagement by making you spend longer on the map to find poi's, if that is in fact something you pursue..
Though that fails my logic as me and the boys would be on planet till the timer ran out looking for those sites.
So who knows. 🤷♂️
New warbond: firey weapons.
Next patch: We removed the fire damage from all weapons.
Even when you do find cover, half the time another patrol has spawned exactly behind you and ur dead in about two seconds
Bad situational awareness 90% of the time.
You have a radar map use it
They don't just appear like that. You would've known they were walking towards you if you payed attention.
@@DesolateLavender It may be fixed already, but there was a time when patrols would sometimes just materialize right in front of you.
@@aeden8008 Huh. Never had that happen.
I've noticed two fairly recent bugs that have made playing against bots even less fun:
- Sometimes bots can simply walk over defensive walls, boulders and scale mountains as if it was flat terrain, making any cover you find completely meaningless
- Had a few instances where bots (mainly shielded devastators) were able to shoot through large rock formations making covers even more useless
I've noticed that, too.
Legit lost so many bot runs because of this bug..
This has been a bug since launch nice to see it's still not fixed, there's a reason I stopped playing this game
Devastators have been doing that for months 😂
one of the most grievous ragdoll issues is the involunatary animation (for the player) of their character attempting to stand up over and over! They should remove that immediately, so you can stim and have time on the ground. You can always move on your own and begin the standing up process.
I 211% agree. Im reloading on the very small limited cover and then something slightly ragdolls me and my character stands up in the crimson bolt lit hellscape and get pulverized. Bruh...
Yeeeehsssss. Please
This would actually be a great way to add balance to bot fights, too. You lose a lot of time (and as a result take a lot of extra damage) to the standing animations when you could be shooting, stimming, or stratagemming. Could even make it a toggle option in the settings if you wanted to, since the ground is your enemy against bugs
You actually can turn this off In the settings
Keep trying to force myself to play this. Everything is unlocked and there's nothing unique or new to do
Facts
Yepp, thats me since yesterday.
Liberation is the ultimate reward, Helldiver.
Don’t do that man, it’s perfectly okay to take a break!
You don’t want to get burned out on the game. I personally am taking a break until the end of summer or whenever there’s another large scale content drop.
Same, I still can't get enough of the game. Get on the bus!
My biggest problem with bots is all the stagggering and ragdolling add it the crazy ammounts of heavy bots And the fact that all bots can just randomly headshot you And man bots just needs some work
I dunno, on higher difficulty bettlefield awareness and picking your fights is key. I dont feel like a suffer as much. With a well coordinated team you can make quick work of any situation as not permitting it to get out of hand, works.
People also focus on one thing too easily, even in real life. Its not always ideal if everyone is engaging the same targets.
As long as you get a good initial drop, bots are easy on lvl 9. They have annoying quirks like side by side gunship fabricators that get bugged and stuck on the production alarm and spit out 4 a piece in a matter of seconds, but they aren't hard.
If Freedom's Flame doesn't contain at least one armor set with Guy Fieri style flames I will be livid.
😂😂😂
Tell me you suck at fighting bots, without telling me you suck at fighting bots… **brings incendiary shotgun to bot missions**
On lower levels with more chaff it can be useful but on 9? Nahhhh
sickle my beloved.
Nah you just don't see the vision. It's incredible if you're skilled enough to know how to play it. Get on OUR level.
@@BulkBoganit’s meta bro lol it’s not a level. It’s so good a ape could use it 😎
@@BulkBoganWhy work harder with an inferior weapon for bots? I have multiple loadouts for bots none of which I'd even consider going with the incendiary breaker
I love this game but the spawns are so broken still. I was playing a level 4 and I got 5 hulks, and just constant spawns of devastators and striders and aimboting bots that find me even when I’m trying not to be seen or from over 250 meters away. I couldn’t catch a break. Just tired and I want to come home after a hard day of work to relax, not get frustrated by a game. It’s honestly not just higher levels but all levels.
We tested the smoke and they still aimbot through the smoke, even from over 200ms. I was so annoyed then. They said the bots wouldn't be like, AI or something and would be able to cut LOS. But they chase forever.
Omg, recently I was patrolling alone and 3 devastated spawned right on me with atank, killed me instantly and then simply vanished. No drop ship, I watched them spawn on top of me as I was reloading and just killed me and then despawned a second later. I got it on stream...I just logged off after that.
When you finish the main objective, spawns are constant and ridiculous.
I play for the gameplay. When i find gameplay getring stale, i switch up my loadouts to try something new. I still have 3 of the newest ship upgrades to unlock by in my opinion those are just a bonus. I love this game. Log in any time i can.
My friend and I recently did an ore survey mission where every single bot drop for the entire mission came with a Factory Strider, patrols were spawning faster than we could clear them, constant Gunship patrols that always seemed to have the max of 5 ships and spawned in already aggro'd, despite not being anywhere near a player, and all of the typical "sniped through terrain by heavy devastator swarms" stuff. And when we finally got to the ore location, the final primary objective point, with only a handful of reinforcements remaining, the bot drop that followed contained not one, not two, but THREE Factory Striders. We threw in the towel at that point. Even with a squad of 4 did not have the resources to deal with that. We failed the mission, and were incredibly frustrated, because we felt like we played as well as we ever did, and there was just no path the victory. We always play Helldive, and it's been a long time since we failed a mission, even accounting for pugs who seemingly have a suicide pact and chew through our reinforcements like candy. It was incredibly disheartening, and we quit for the night right then and there, too disgusted to play anymore that evening. We are 100% okay with failing when we play poorly and make mistakes, it's happened before, and that's fine. What we hate is feeling like we were never given an opportunity to succeed in the first place. And no, this mentality of "sometimes you're meant to lose" is bullshit. Nobody wants to play a game they can't win.
Get better than buddy
🤣🤣🤣 how are you not embarrassed lmao go play a game that holds your hand then. Your the same game journalist that was probably complaining that elden ring is to hard
@@desertgrowndank7256 🤡🤡
Those ore missions are some of the hardest in the game, even on 7 or 8 they are sketchy, no way I'd even think about them on 9
Timberlake wrote a song about this.
Summin bout crying rivers
I think a stratagem that makes a trench somehow would be really helpful
they had a barbed wire one in the first game.
Its coming. Maybe not soon enough... But its coming.
Not when everything runs to engage at point blank.
Yeah or a deployable bunker!!
I stopped playing because 9 out of 10 times I get disconnected the last 5 minutes of the mission and sent back to my ship
Happened to me like 3 times yesterday after playing for 20 to 25 minutes. Just rage quit after last time.
@@storm___ same here.
This is why an offline mode would be awesome
I was playing an epic diff 7 yesterday. Got separated from the group because of massive spawns and ended up soloing a side objective and finding the super samples at the edge of the map. I got pinned down behind the sample rock, throwing all my strats at spawns and downing gunships with my AC and actually holding out! Then... Disconnect and crash. So disappointing. I shut off tmy computer and read a book instead.
This may be an issue with your set up, not the game (assuming you're on PC). I had over 20 hours in the game before I could play on any difficulty above 4 because I had to solo all my missions. Check to make sure there are limiters on your motherboard, as the game is likely causing it to overclock, which your processor can't handle.
In regards to the rocket devastators.
My head immediately laughed at the monkeys paw idea of them 'fixing this' in regards to endless rockets being them using up all their ammo... And then moving to find the nearest ammo that we use in order to reload. xD
Stoped playing helldivers actively (i unlocked all the stratagem)s, but still like to stay updated about the progress of helldivers. Great video again :)
Unlocking all stratagems is just the tutorial. Get all ship module upgrades.
What the….. after unlocking the stratagems you now have the tools to fight diver!! Get back to the front line for democracyyyyyyy
Honestly, I find the bots easier to deal with than bugs. I just never figured the right loadout to help deal with the sheer swarming numbers that overwhelm and keep you knocked down. The bots are individually tougher, but they come at you in the hundreds, not the thousands.
Same. I never play bugs because I just get swarmed. Bugs feel like a stat check. Do you have enough dps or meta gear to clear them out fast enough?
Bots I can legit solo on difficulty 7. I don't think I have ever solo'd a bug mission on that difficulty.
I feel like bots let you play tactically, using cover, kiting, and such, where bugs are just swarming you.
That's actually kinda funny cuz I had the exact opposite problem when I first started playing but iv since learned my loadouts
Personal shield and flametrower
true, bots are actually kinda dumb as their patrol while many doesnt just walk towards u randomly(at worse is they stare at you menacingly) and while flamethrower is usually my go to for bugs i just kept getting hit by random hunter(skill issue ik) and it pisses me off so much cause it slows me down and i kept using light armor the dmg is like 1/4 of my hp so end up stimming every single time
It's playing to your strengths and weaknesses, depending on the mission and enemy type.
You'll have to adapt your loadouts depending on the situation, but in reality, you can make almost anything work.
Personally, I try to keep a mix of support weapon, defensive pack, and eagle/orbital/sentry/exosuit that would allow me to clear swarms, as well as larger enemies. Sometimes I can't deal with a particular problem or enemy so I rely on my team mates for help, using comms.
Personally, I enjoy bugs over bots more but I do mix it up. With bugs, lately I've been enjoying the MGs more and I run with a Sickle primary, in which I use the Sickle until just before overheating, and then switch to MG or HMG (preferably on thicker targets) for sustaining the onslaught, only to spend a few seconds allowing the Sickle a breather to then switch back to it and rinse-repeat.
Chargers and Bile Titans are a problem with this method, but Bile Spewers are definitely not. I almost always run a staple Auto-Cannon Sentry and with good placement, takes care of Chargers and Bile Titans when I need to. I use stun grenades, grenade pistol, and team mates.
My priority targets are always Stalkers/Hunters because they can really derail things, everything else is easily avoidable, you can pretty much side step everything except for Stalkers/Hunters.
Personally I feel like we are always invading a planet that the bots already own they don’t need or want cover , they know cover would only benefit us which is why they chose those places to defend - this is from a roleplay perspective it makes sense for us to not have any cover .
Tbh, Helldivers 2 coming to Xbox doesn't make sense with Sony's current rhetoric. 177 countries still alienated. I live in one of those countries but fortunately for me, I already had a psn account linked and the game was already installed when they fully implemented it. Now Xbox doesn't have the stringent restrictions Sony has for countries and a Microsoft account is pretty much global. So are sony going to mandate that Xbox players have a PSN account to play or would a Microsoft/Xbox account suffice? AND IF SO, would they then restrict the Microsoft/Xbox account linkages to countries NOT on the 177 list? That seems like a stretch to me. Sony doesn't actually care about what their doing as long as they make the money. That's why Sony, just like EA, are shit companies.
I would assume you do need a PS5 account to play Helldivers 2 on Xbox. Sea of Thieves requires an Xbox account, so it makes sense.
Its NOT going to Xbox Jesus..Its Sony's game, SONY owns the IP, Sony isn't having trouble selling hardware and or software because they don't have a bunch of welfare queens relying on a Welfare service like Xbox....Xbox is putting games on everything because Xbots don't buy games so they want Sony and Nintendo players to buy the game
Xbots don't buy games, Sony wouldn't ever consider it to get WelfarePass pennies and Arrowhead has ZERO say.
agreed! either way the less console players the better!
@@NthnLikeCodeine -_-
All that Sony wants to do is reignite the console wars because this is the only way they could get any sort of benefit out of what they're doing. And if not helldivers coming to Xbox, what is going on here?
I want three major changes for the endgame in Helldivers 2:
1. If you kill off one faction you should gain a permanent buff until the campaign resets.
2. Endgame planets, unique locations and bigger and more bad ass enemies.
3. Battles on super earth (once we're pushed back or surprise attacks happen). In HD1 you were fighting in destroyed cities when super earth was under attack, we need this for HD2 as well!
In general more vehicles, I want the warthog, apc and tanks back...
Also please give us a Pelican stratagem, initial attacks are rockets and then it just hovers over you and providing air support for like 30 seconds.
Is it just me or does helldivers suddenly get massive lag spikes that last around a second and then just end? I've messed around in settings and even full performance mode doesn't affect this
Dude I just want more maps that are open and less cluttered. Every map my team seems to get is dotted by lakes or huge ridges, or if it is decently open or cool looking it's drenched in fog or dust. Would be sick if we got the ability to drop down some placeable cover or something too.
Its coming. Maybe not soon enough. But its coming...
That would be pretty. That would also be terrible to fight the bots in. Huge wide open spaces? No cover? Yikes
@@rayzerot It would kinda suck, but that's not map design that enemy design. The bots should be the anthesis to the nids, not the same thing.
Bots, even though they're 90% ranged, they always rush into melee distance no matter what. That seems like an enemy AI problem.
As far as seeing what’s in the SEAF, I remember this well. It happened when I was playing on a daily basis. One day I logged on, and it would show what was loaded in next as you brought up your stratagems. It was a small, but amazing, feature…and it was completely gone the very next day. It was very odd the way they did it, as it almost seems like they were teasing what should be a standard feature.
"I want to play more strategic and creative" Then bring some smoke? Try stealth? I use eagle smoke strike for when I need a break from getting shot at or to do some objectives solo. It works wonders. The tools are in the game already, the neuronal flexibility to access that creativity is clearly lacking in most players.
100% this!
Smoke is buggy as hell and doesn’t change the fact that for an enemy type that preaches the three cs it’s obnoxiously little cover
@@Ashbringer36 Could always be a "you" issue.
Maybe you have crap strategy and tactics.
Maybe you wouldn't recognize a bad approach or a killbox if it slapped you in the face.
You come from COD, Fortnite or Apex?
@@GamerSingularity remember this is the mode that can’t get half the active players to do even with major orders blaring at you.
So I’m obviously not the only one.
Doesn’t help that trying to solo queue bots is the fastest way to get all the condescending windbags on your team
we have got a sad ass over here
Honestly havent noticed the level 9 missions being harder. I rip and tear through them with Molly and Bosco at my side
Same, I'm finding 9's to be a cake walk
Sounds to me like what we need is another stratagem that provides cover, possibly something solid unlike the deployable shield.
Good idea!
the hidding part is important. The jungle-planet was MUCH easier on helldive than the other ones.
The open Field was mostly on Martal, the Ice Planet before had plenty of Cliffs etc to break the Vision.
If you dont want to fight a Bot Drop you can just run, by the Time they land and start moving you´re already gone.
On Martal they spotted you from 500 Meters away
Yes it is the open maps. I immediately noticed it when moving from marfark to martale. Marfark has nice cliffs and ice abutments that stand out and provide some nice cover. Marfark also has broken areas that become waterways that stop patrols from traversing the entire map. The maps need to be more detailed in this way or it’s gonna be a rough time. Ps: I only play on helldive and my teams win most of their missions.
I’m a level 98 and I refuse to play bots anymore until impact is fixed. I run explosive resist armor and ballistic shield to deal with most of the bots but I’ll get knocked over 1 foot and die of impact damage. Tumbles that previously left me at half health instantly kill me now. I like playing against bots but impact is killing me on instances that it shouldn’t kill me on. So until that is fixed I’ve hung up my cape
Skill issue
Definitely a skill issue buddy
Use vitality booster. You'd be surprised how many hit points that booster adds to your diver. When reading your comment I thought, "bet he used vitality booster then didn't & got to this conclusion because of that."
Vitality booster, or spam emote to negate 90% of impact
I play Balisic Shield vs. Bots too, and I'm pretty confident this is the Shield's hit box still being broken. Near as I can tell, when they "fixed" it (after breaking it the first time) this started happening. I think the Shield sometimes clips into your body, and the game responds by killing you and citing "impact" as the cause.
First person Balisic Shield was also broken by that "fix", so I've just stop using that loadout at this point.
I feel like the shield generator stratagem should last MUUUUUCH longer . I’m fine with how much it currently eats damage , it just doesn’t last long at all but those little backpacks last infinitely?
Bots will always be my preferred front of the two, but yeah it definitely needs work. I feel like the patrol fix worked the first half day it was released, and then it got WORSE. I’ve seen patrols literally manifest in front of me in every direction I’m trying to reposition to. The “cover” thing is cap tho. If you’re not getting pincered by bs spawns, you can usually fight from cover to cover with no problem. The real issue is that too many people aren’t thinking tactically enough.
I feel like the only person that loves fighting the bots and absolutely hates the bugs. :x
Same
Are you blind?
Just check the player counts in game. Saying "unpopular opinion but I like fighting bots" is like saying "unpopular opinion but racism isn't cool".
@@ethanrandall3005 First of all, chill out, touch some grass, or maybe get some fresh air because you seemed to be stressed taking this so seriously. Secondly, checking the player count doesn't mean much when people go to where the major orders take them. Thirdly, in most channels, it's pretty common to see in the comments and forums that way more people enjoy fighting bugs. And fourthly, don't put words in my mouth with that silly analogy. This is just a comment on a video about a video game. ✌🏿
@@ckingch Getting upset says the most about the person being upset than the one they think they're arguing with.
Communities and major orders go without saying. Compare the player counts during either major orders, or simply between major orders. It's not that complicated to figure out which is why I didn't explain it in the previous comment.
The majority of players prefer bots. In your community, it could very well be different. That's how communities work. I was referring to the player base as a whole. It's not an opinion. It's a statistic. If you want to argue against the statistics, you either need to go back to school and ask your math teacher for help or you need to ask God for help, depending on what it is with the statistics you're struggling to grasp.
I hope this helps you construct better comments in the future instead of relying on passive-aggressive statements. Even if you were trying to be humerous, "grass touching" stopped being funny several years ago. Come up with something unique.
Good luck. ✌🏿
People definetly prefer bugs and it's not even close 😂
SEAF Artillery used to show the current shell readied.
But, my beef with bots and bugs is the spawn rates of patrols, said patrols making a beeline to your position via explosions or sentries, with completing a objective.
Nah, no way the polls are for fun. Almost every popular option has been nerfed or "indirectly" broken in the past. Actually wild.
A furry dev is answering what do you expect
Madness! The past few days have been absolute madness! I've been playing on level 8, and it felt like it is level 10!
Is it only bots or also bugs?
I thought it was part of the MO haha I felt like at first the bots just didn't want us splitting their sector, glad we got it done
Heavy devastators are too plentiful. Too damn many.
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My issue is they are way too accurate even over huge distances. They have pinpoint accuracy even at 100+ meters.
@@Spectacular_Insanitythat, along with the fact they don't have recoil when they fire, we do. So we're at an enormous disadvantage. Unless you have a grenade launcher, or something that fires quickly. Quasar basically useless because of the recoil, so a set of 3-4 of them together is a nightmare to deal with.
@@TruFalco who uses GL on devastator? XD
Get MG, HMG or Antimaterial.
The enemy ammo thing is interesting. It does seem like they should have some kind of limit and have to reload/resupply from something. Maybe a reloading bot or ammo container drop they have to go to (but we could also reload from). And it would be interesting if the rocket devastators ran out of rockets after x number and would have to use a secondary gun or just melee.
tbh cover shouldn't be an issue if you think about it for a moment. If everone in the squad takes the deployable shield bubble they can make their own cover. Thing can be crazily op. But I do welcome more biomes ( where is my urban map and my underground map - yes, i still want that despite stratagem issues ?). And give devastators a max ammo barrier.
Upgrades to the extraction shuttle (Pelican) would be great. A few ideas i had was to add a force field to it when it lands, or mounted guns that players can use when entered. By upgrades, i mean the one you get using samples.
That sounds sick
One thing that would be a massive game changer is SAM sites. They have the potential to be really good, but the SAM sites have slow tracking and not enough damage
When I hit a wall I just mixed up the armor and gear/stratagems I used, refreshed it. Switching up difficulty and factions too
Bunkers and lookout towers for sniper players would be so huge. Fighting using their bases against them is one of the best feelings but some of the flat maps are genuinely hell when there’s no cover and 3 tank towers and a factory strider have you pinned between 4 patrols
all those nerfs for players but none for bots and their infinity rockets.... you should see how they empty their rocket rack same asi you see emptying yourself from patriot exo
It seems most people really do prefer the bugs some some reason. We have a liberation modifier that = no resistance and way faster lib times but yet 60% of the player base went to estanu bug land instead of liberating Charon Prime followed by Charbal to lock down the sector. Tactics be damned tho I guess. IMO, bugs are kind of uninteresting to fight. Swarms and point blank fighting is fun to an extent but I find the bots just much more satisfying to go up against. Having to use cover, ambushes, flanking, target prioritization/popping the commisar to prevent reinforcements, it just hits better for me on the bot side.
9:10 You are correct. I am pretty sure that it just was not on their top priority to fix that so instead to avoid confusion they just no longer list it.
I have never been in a situation where I didn't have any cover unless I made a grave mistake in my positioning and judgement. Even the wide open maps have plenty of structures, rocks, hills, divots, and even craters in the ground from heavy bombardments or prolonged engagements. I love the cover dynamic in this game, it feels very realistic and it's one of the most enjoyable aspects of fighting bots, at least for me.
The problem is bots shooting through fog, smoke, storms, and other barriers from extremely long range, with relatively high accuracy, for an infinite amount of time. Also the fact that rockets can one shot you in the head from across the map (with heavy explosive resistance armor), or ragdoll you forever so you can't even play the game.
Notice how we get bullet drop but bots don't?
Tbh I think it'd be pretty simple to make a deployable cover stratagem. Could even be a throwable with an energy shield wall, tall enough to crouch behind. Maybe have it reduce the ragdoll effects for divers behind it, so they can actually utilize said cover.
my problem is the barrel or the muzzle of bots' guns clipping into the map and objects which allows them to shoot even through the only cover I have.
@@scottventure820 Agreed. I've been blasted by Heavy Devs shooting through rocks. 👍
I think adding more cover could be a great thing but Helldive should stay hard. It's the highest level of difficulty for a reason and with great strategies such as clearing patrols before they call in backup or not engaging in all combat to name a few makes Helldive a lot better to manage. Also, nothing feels more badass than clearing an entire bot army while avoiding gunship fire. I would love for level 9 to stay as is.
This is why i like level extreme. its enough to complete the mission and not be ragdolled the entire time on upper levels.
War is not fair
Guys, Shield relay, you want cover? you got it. ❤
I've noticed a nutso quantity of partols on helldive difficulty, where they spawn practically on top of you almost like bot drops. This only started recently.
As someone who plays on 6-7 most nights, cuz I wanna have fun and I generally play with randoms, it’s nuts there too. It is a constant firefight from go.
I don't usually play on 8 or 9 because it's less fun than 7. 7 bots feels balanced. Higher than that, and it's sometimes laughable while you're tossed around from rocket barrages continually. I think the biggest balance needed is those rocket devs that can hit you from 200meters out like the rockets are photons.
Dude you had me so worried, last time Sony “goofed up” we had an irl major order
Pc, anyone else completely unable to get a game going? Crashing on startup, finally loads long LONG search times and if i get one it instantly crashes!
Ok. So hear me out. They ARE the T-1000s from Terminator. Sooooooo. Them walking out of the wreckage isn't impossible. Maybe reduce the numbers that survive?
The lack of cover on snow maps is why I really hate playing bots on them.
And also the knee high snow that slows you down.
And then you have 2 gunship factories in the middle of an open, snow covered plains.
Yes, bots are harder. But... People do complete helldive difficulty regularly. So it is not "broken". If one particular person can't do it, that's not a problem. Play on a lower difficulty.
That fella's right, bot and map design does skew the combat in their favour. The majority of bugs spend most of their time gap closing whereas the heavy ranged focus of the bots allows them to engage much more easily on open maps and their cover penetration makes it even easier. More structures would help as would trenches if they didn't want to pack the map with bunkers.
the last game had barbed wire that was deployed via fighters, with the Pelican drop mechanic a airdropped bunker or shield doesent seem entirely unreasonable
Regarding cover, I actually wouldn't mind more structures and little set pieces, like improvised barricades set up by SEAF units before getting overrun, and stuff like that, especially on planets we're defending. Also, I think the Devastator variants need a nerf, like making rocket ones have either a limit to their rockets or having to slowly reload, and the heavies being less accurate, especially when moving.
In certain aspects the bots are easier.
Charon Prime had an average of of 5000 divers on it yesterday and we are already at 38% liberation while the 10k divers on Estanu made little to no progress.
if we manage to liberate at least 2 planets before the modifier is removed it will make great progress against the bots
Sometimes bots are decently manageable. Other times if you get the worst luck (jammers and gunship facilities right next to each other) it can become overwhelmingly stressful.
Players generally focus on gameplay changes, bug fixes, and balance. What sits on my mind, though is the lack of progression opportunities. I would love more things to spend my requisition on, I said, maxed out constantly, so there are no real rewards for missions. Samples come at a steady pace, no concerns there. But I also miss the system from the first game, where you could purchase talents for specific stratagems to specialize.
They need to make experience points and requisition slips relevant again somehow. You keep earning/finding them, but once you've bought everything, req slips just max out with no purpose.
I've thought it'd be cool and help balance if automatons had to go back to resupply somewhere. A bot that carries ammo, a outpost, various stuff. If they are cut off from supply, they are down to more basic weapons. Bugs could panic, rely on a queen or something and scatter when there's too much firepower or something. Mix up even more the difference of enemies.
On the lowkey the bot spawning is kinda muffed up on level 6/7 too. As we push a base I’m met with 5 hulks in one base, 4 devastators, 2 heavy tanks, a light tank and then the reinforcements brought 3 more hulks, devastators and a few dozen of the standard T-1000s which aren’t too big of an issue but almost 10 hulks in a 2 minute time frame is insane
I use both eagle and orbital in every mission, but I guess I'd go for orbital
I just started to play this game and I had such a good time, found a really nice new Zealander who teached me all the basic mechanics spawned a mech for me and it was just great. Today I surely return and hope that my new friend does the same. I really love this game now!
A bug main or perhaps former by now. Dropped into the last major order and rocked the bots on all diffs. Why can their lasers shoot threw some of the rocks, makes taking cover unless. A time delay on the rocket devastators just like the shoulder mounted one, it shoots and waits for a bit before shooting again. Beyond that, bots currently aren't as impossible as many iterations before.
I don't mind bots surviving a dropship takedown. It's the glitching, shooting us thru the wreckage that I can't stand
I understood the dropship mechanic can be annoying because you take it down one fleet then it should not have any survivors. However, I like the fact there are some survivors that can annoy you.
I feel like if Fellow divers clear out the red(enemies) on the map it should reduce the spawn of the enemies at the extraction
BOLDER Heads-up on Current Seaf Shell would be GREAT. MORE TYPES OF SHELL would also be awesome.
Bot drop ships can be fixed if you make it when they hit the ground it is the same explosion as a 500g but a larger radius by about 1,1/2
3:28: THAT is exactly the kind of critical information that should be communicated in-game!!!
Is it just me or precision orbital strikes are not landing where you drop the stratagem pin?? Happens a lot when dropping them on chargers
Make sure to check the mission modifiers before you drop. One of them is orbital scatter and it'll cause all orbital strikes to land off target. There's also the fact that orbitals are fired from your ship above the map and will be angled based on where the ship is in relation to where you are. This could mean the difference between a strike landing on a charger or a rock next to the charger.
Bot destruction due to air lift takedown should be relative to the gravity of the planet. Gravities should also be varied more from planet to planet.
I don’t mind that some things survive when the drop ships are shot down (I know people would optimize the fun straight out of the game) but it should be consistent enough that I can rely on it as a strategy
I might get hate for this but I think We can learn a lot or get some ideas from the Ghost recon franchise when it comes to cover that could be applied for helldivers as well
Adding more cover just means you still can't see them before they blow you away with true Terminator accuracy. Addressing symptoms and not problems seems...interesting as a choice.
WE NEED A 120 to 180 degree ballistic bunker backpack or deployable structure!
My biggest gripe with the bots is the drops. I can fistfight my way through patrols and even drops. But when said drops just pop in 2 walkers.... thats a bit too much. IMO bots are the most epic and fun missions in the game but can get real frustrating real quick
I agree with the dropship kills for the most part. If the devs wanted to get sophisticated, you can make the bots take fall and explosive damage from the crash. Maybe some do survive... But the whole company? No way.
I know I saw the shell loaded in SEAF, and it's now gone. It makes a huge difference deciding when to use it.
I honestly hope we get Passive customization before cosmetic cause i feel like its the same passives at least if we have say two slots for swapping out passives on a armor that would be a win
5:52 on this topic, what i feel like is heavily needed is that rocket devs and heavy devs need a little bit more downtime between their volleys. There have been multiple times where im vs a heavy dev behind cover, wait for him to finish, and am only able to get like one shot off before im staggered and lose half my hp. I used to not think this a problem when i had the o.g. breaker since stagger is soo useful vs bots, gives you that opening to shoot them. But so many anti bot weapons got thier stagger removed, amr, railgun etc. Anyways i feel like if their fire rate was slowed down i feel like that would remedy so many things. Since that would make a group of 6 upgraded devs easier to work with, whether ur behind cover or not
These issues with cover and open areas could be mitigated if the shield generator wasn't so useless. It doesn't last long enough to be meaningful.
I'd like my character to not stand up in the middle of enemy fire when I'm ragdolled in prone
If the new warbond doesn't actually contain related resistances, it'd be huge missed opportunity and it would make me very angry.
I wonder if they’re ever going to patch the bug that sends your camera into the sky if you get hit with ragdolling while diving during first person aim. I put a 15 second clip on my page if you need an example, but as an explosive weapons enthusiast this happens at least once a session every time I play. This can happen from your own explosives or enemy’s, so you’re not safe just picking bugs.
Also happens sometimes if you aim and move while holding a snowball
I personally love fighting the bots, it is way more strategic than bugs, but I do agree that Rocket and Heavy Devastators need a touch up. Make Rocket Devs have limited ammo, I mean look at their pack, there's only 12 missiles. Make them fire 2 per salvo instead of 3, one from each shoulder, maybe buff the damage/explosion radius a bit, but they run out after their 6 salvos.
Heavy Devs, make their minigun overheat, it's a laser weapon, it HAS to overheat, like our energy--based weapons. Make it so after X seconds, the gun need to cool down for X seconds, giving the player some time to counter during that cooldown.
Gunships need a limited amount of rockets also, coz currently they just fire rockets then lasers then rockets every few seconds and it can become impossible to stand up, especially since they perfectly predict your trajectory with leading their shots.