Gil is 100 percent right. If the players hold out, the fans will get tired of the replacements and turn it off. When the fans stop watching, the sponsors stop paying. When the sponsors stop paying, the team owners are going to make the deal.
It only takes about 2 seasons of Joe blow barely throwing a 2 yard flat and missing before folks stop coming to the game. And who says the top dog NFL players can't make their own league? Imagine how much pull Patrick Mahomes alone carries
@@jimparks5478 without googling name the top 25 players in the CFL. You can even use the UFL if that helps, the AFL too. I'm waiting goofus CFL average viewers is closer to 500k NFL average viewers is closer to 18 million. There's a reason for that
Gil is the only one with balls there. Ocho: “you can’t leave your homeboys in the wind!” Uhh what!?! F the homeboys!!! I need my extra 10 million a year!!!!
@pidouble145 Exactly. You have to look out for the next generation of players. The fact that ALL members of the final 53 roster on NFL teams don't have fully guaranteed contracts show how weak these players are.
Nah you know how many NBA players are not going to be getting these Max contracts because they're not making these teams because of that 65 game rule. Embiid and lamelo probably will never make another all NBA team
@@tuubu9115Yep nba is cutting down on who gets it now cuz there getting tired of the max comtracts going to players who'll sit out 50-25% of the season😂
@@tuubu9115 They may try to get around the 65 game rule by 5 to 10 minutes in some games, unless the rule requires playing a certain number of minutes to count as having played in that game.
Don't say it's too many players when people work jobs and have a union. When you shut down companies the attitude of the owners changes. I agree with GIL 100%.
ain't never gone happen, you see the divide that just colin kaepernick kneeling created? yea like they'd ever agree on not headin into work, it'd never happen half the community would be calling the other half lazy for wanting to hold off on working / playin the game
Gil knows what he is talking about. The Networks was on the NBA ass when players were game managing on prime time games. They told the NBA “ This is not what we payed for” hence to why they are fining players for taking games off.
The Fact the NFL has a salary cap and no guaranteed contracts is enough to lockout if you can't discipline yourself to live off 200K per year than you can't live on 200M per year
Waddaya mean per year. You just said the contracts weren't guaranteed so after the lockout begins those players getting paid 200k aren't getting paid anymore. Especially 200k contract meaning it's the league minimum also meaning no big signing bonus to survive off of. Only about 5 players a team getting paid the big money meaning big signing bonus to survive the other 48 or so are had by the nuts.
@@zazzazoozay2914not to mention paying everyone on their team lawyers, trainers, nutrionists, agent, some of these dudes have families and if you live in a city like San Francisco? It’s a wrap 😂
@@zazzazoozay2914he saying if you can’t collect your $200-300k this year and manage it to live off of it during the lockout then you can’t manage well. Which essentially just comes down to living below your means until an agreement can be reached. Most Americans are making it off of $60k/year. It would just be a sacrifice but at least now when you come back that 2-500k is fully guaranteed no matter what and obviously any other contracts. Now with that being said the owners could easily still vouch for retaining a hard salary cap but it just means you can’t pay a QB 50/mil a year so in turn it would level out the the paying field for all positions. BUT that smaller contract is fully guaranteed. It’ll be a give and take
@@skillethead15 because the players that are worth it are already getting paid. Plus the nba is going down ever since they went crazy pretty much making cap a non issue
Social Media has created a lane that has allowed fans to become much more attached to players. The notion that fans are only attached to teams compared to players may have been true in the 80s but times are different now and I think that changes everything. Fans would not be okay with replacement players playing now for an extended period. People already hate the preseason
The problem is other than the qb, players change teams way too often now so there's no real player loyalty. You can throw any player on your team and you will still watch it.
When the owners used replacement players during the 1987 strike, those who crossed the picket line included future Hall of Famers like Joe Montana and Lawrence Taylor. MLB owners tried using replacements during the 1994-5 strike, but not a single regular player crossed the picket line. That would explain why the NFL has a hard salary cap, while MLB has just a luxury tax. And the NHL did lose a whole season to a work stoppage about 20 years ago, and they are still in operation.
@@2402devin If they didn't have so much expenses this would be viable. I am not going to fork over millions per year for you and your baby mamas and children and 15 other extended family members.
Definitely! It’s almost like a communist because almost everyone who doesn’t act certain way gets clipped.(ex:Ocho’s,OBJ’s,T.O’s) you literally can’t have a certain personality
Let's quit the BS tho. Mlb has 162 games a year and the NBA 82 games. NFL got 17 with 55 players. Mlb 162 with 26 (in an active roster and 40 man rsater) Nba team got 15-20 players with 82 games. Obviously the pool of money is way larger for nba teams than nfl. Nba playoffs is more rounds and more games per round. NFL you have one bad month and your season is almost over
@@acruzro95Yes but the average NFL stadium is 90,000 seats. The average ticket per game is going for $3,000. That equals 270 million per game in ticket sales plus merch and food sales and TV rights. The NFL makes endless money. They should pay the lower players more money. Everyone on the team should make at minimum a million a year. The practice squad maybe less because they don't play etc. Also they have to spend a lot in keeping the stadium up and paying all those people to work at the stadium etc.
Believing the NFL won’t suffer if they replaced superstars with any random players is exactly how they want y’all to think.. They’ve convinced Hall of Famers that they were easily replaceable.
Lol history has proven that fans will still watch and support if you get replacements. The NBA will not because they built their brand on the players. If you find out Steph Curry, Anthony Davis and Lebron were sitting out, would you watch that matchup?
@@dperfect28 That was 37yrs ago. There's been 3 whole generations of new fans between the last strike and 2024. The individual stars of the NFL are way bigger nowdays than they were back then. The shield as a brand is shrinking while the brand of the indivual brand star QB is rising. Patrick Mahomes is about as popular of america athelte that there is. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, as individuals are all bigger than The Shield.
I don't think so if the players stuck together they could change things. Things are different now people have many more viewing options. Ratings would drop significantly if the stars weren't playing.
Exactly, the modern NFL fan is paying to watch their favorite player, regardless of the team. They are not going to waste their money on replacement players, and the same applies to those TV networks. Once the TV networks refuse broadcast NFL games without the real players, this will force Goodell and the owners to make a decision. Gilbert Arenas is correct 👌🏿
Gotta love Gil's mentality. Only those who's gonna vote the way I want, should be allowed to vote. Of course, every player still has to pay their Union fees.
The problem is that the NFLPA held out for weed and less practice time during the last collective bargaining agreement, instead of guaranteed contracts. They didn't want to miss *one* check for the sake of having *future* checks
@@Packman2397 In the NFL, you can always find somebody that can do your job for less money. In the NBA, you cannot say that. You see NBA teams like Washington and Charlotte that have been playing for the future for years.
@@therealdarrell282 yea there’s some truth to that but like Gil said also what makes the NFL great are the GREAT players. Nobody wants to see mahomes backup playing for the chiefs we don’t want to see strouds backup or Lamar backup etc. but yes there’s more opportunity for cheaper guys to do great because the NFL is such a cutthroat league there’s no security.
@@Chief_thunder_charging_bear right, because he knows. He's been through this, he probably wanted the NFLPA to fight for it when he was a player but these guys keep folding like a warm blanket every single time at the bargaining table
@@EDWARDTHEEAUTHOR league minimum has nothing to do with holding out for simple contract guarantees and increased revenue sharing from tv and advertising deals. NFL is falling behind baseball and basketball in players salaries year after year
NFL players play around 20 games a year. The other sports play more games which means more revenue and ticket sales. Therefore NFL players will typically make less money per year. Mathematically it makes sense.
@@mateaukalua4426 so how does playing 20 games have an impact on guaranteed contracts, affordable healthcare after retirement, or improved revenue share?
Nobody seems to look at real numbers. NFL player revenue share is 48% and the NBA player revenue share is 51%. 3% more spread out over a 53 man roster wont look that different.
I have never in my life agreed with Gilbert Arenas so much. I don't give a damn if ppl bad wit they money they just gotta do some side job till we get back to playing ball but I'm not wit setting up generations to get taken advantage of.
Nah, NFLPA need Gil to regenerate what Maurice is saying. Cuz he's been saying the same thing. But they don't listen. The players neee to have discipline wit their doe. And be stand strong!
@@MarleyG4669 The player's need to stop simping and tricking their money away. Start saying no to people in your circle, live way within their means,and get serious about financial education themselves.
The player's needs to stop spending carelessly. The player's need to stop simping and tricking their money away. Start saying no to people in your circle, live way within their means,and get serious about financial education themselves.
Exactly just look at the numbers. 2022 nfl had a revenue of 12billion, and they have almost 1700 PLAYERS, not even accounting for anything else. The nba had 10.5 billion and they only have 450 players. Like it’s really just a numbers game
hes not. he hasn't thought about the fact the average nfl career is 3 years... these players making regular contracts aren't going to give up a single year to so that the 2% of players in the league get more money. unless those very rich players are willing to give those regular players money to survive the lockout its never going to happen
@@lilzoe10001 that’s where your wrong, it’s not about just the 2% it’s about everyone getting guaranteed contracts to some degree. & whatever else the players bring to the table
Problem with the nfl, the important players the QB they all taken care by the owner asap with their contracts.. the minute all this qbs go on lock down and ask for fully guaranteed for everyone everything will change
No, they would find replacements every year new prospects are made and the nfl has the opinion that they make stars not the other way around. Football is different
Shannon’s mindset on saving everyone is why the NFL contracts are minimal compared to the NBA and other sports, he has to understand - most people live check to check in general so he can’t make a decision based off that.
@@princecheck11 yup, it’s insane bro. It’s like people working jobs that they hate, I did that once for four days and left - made less initially but in the long run I made it into six figures, large part in enjoying the work that I’m doing.
SS said he wouldn't care if gas was @15$ a gallon if meant DJT not in office - he's an elite out of touch lib , he dont gaf about avg law abiding tax paying citizens regardless of color
One of the most open and honest discussions on this topic I have heard in a long time. You will never see this as an ESPN documentary. To Gil's point in this age of social media it is a different animal then when they did the strike in the 80s.
Love that AP Unc! But you stuck in the 1980s.. these days, the networks have a lot more power. They (and the fans) want the real players. The players need to hold out: 1. Guaranteed contracts 2. No franchise tag 3. Lifetime health insurance 4. No salary caps
It doesn’t matter about size of roster or how many players. The NFL generates more money than the NBA they have the means to do guaranteed contracts. The MLB does it
What should be the salary cap? And your basically asking for superteams to be formed if you go to high.... Better yet qbs will just ask for more and take up that money
@@shadow_tdget rid of the cap or incentivize teams to keep their star players like the NBA does with max contract eligibility so super teams don’t occur as much
@@Floridaboi32 @patriotskingnation8084 yalll leep forgeting most players in the nfl are only there for three years. Those guys making 500k a year aren't going to sacrifice even a year to help the 2% of nfl players making the real money. nba players theres only 15 guys on a team and 10/15 are making good money.
@@Floridaboi32it’ll be a hard fight to change the nfl. They don’t have the leverage other leagues have since the fans will show up if the stars are playing or not
Tatum and Luka make that much because they are playing for the team that drafted them and are making all NBA teams... it's a way to keep players to stay with the team that drafted them
Thts all they had 2 say. This is an example of people not knowing but guessing. And Sharpe also confuses us cuz he loves 2 yell like hes the gospel. A Hillbilly at his finest
I’m riding with Gil. This is a different day and fans are different with more attachment to players. Ain’t nobody watching XFL players in NFL uniforms lol
Mark gastineau, randy white, Joe Montana, Lawrence Taylor, Eric Dickerson, doug flutie, howie long.... smh. ALL nfl stars...all top players on the league at the position at the time. You would think they had a couple pennies in the bank ... sheesh
Gil right! It’s crazy the NFL makes more than the MLB & NBA combined. These dudes still gotta fight for guaranteed contracts. That’s insane! They definitely should be making more than baseball & basketball players especially for the violence of that sport
Gil is hundred percent right. After a while the fans will side with the players. Fans understand if the superstars are not on the field. We are in a world where people understand finances. No wonder McNair said "we can't have the inmates running the prison".
The NFL player union has been the absolute worst for years now of all the major sports 🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣 you get what you negotiate...they don't even get guaranteed contacts 💯
It always amazes me how the most popular and most powerful league in the country has the worst players union. The owners really convinced the players that they’re not important enough to the sport to get guaranteed money
1987 was a long time ago. Now NFL has more ppl so they’ll never get NBA money but the way ppl watch the XFL I think they could do a holdout. But guys gotta be on code with each other and that’s where the problems are. NFL players won’t even take the risk which is sad.
Unc is right about the fans not caring about the NFL players as much as the team. NBA is different bc I will follow my fav players to whatever team they go to. However, I’m in Baltimore and we don’t have an NBA team 😂
The minimum nfl salary is 750k…. You’re telling me you can’t survive one year off of that??? Knowing how much I make and how I’m able to live off of that, man I could survive 3 damn years off of 750k
N most players in the nfl are black, & us blacks already know unity, standing together, solidarity is none exist w us smh .. stand together or fall/die together..
GiL has a MAJOR point. And I hate agreeing with him lol. Even if the NFL owners were to replace striking players, I have a hard time thinking fans would be satisfied with an inferior product/team.
WOW!!! This is the most consequential NIGHTCAP show ever! Them boys are talking money and the deep skeletons of the NFL. The owners are going to be shaking in their boots when they watch this show.
I for the life of me could never understand why fans always side with the owners. If your son was on a NFL team,you would want them to make more money.
You know why i love nightcap,is because of Ochocinco,his mindset is simple like many of us who don’t play or not in the business and Unc is relatable enough and humble to understand us to detail it to us.
NFL makes 10x that of the NBA as a league. The issue is revenue sharing which it’s obviously NFL owners don’t want to increase the slice of pie given to NFL players. Can’t be mad NBA players are more business savvy, and create their own brands to use as leverage contract wise.
Gil is Right Shannon this isn’t 1987 and if you don’t believe Gil is right try it for a year The NFL wouldn’t guarantee Lamar’s contract because the owners didn’t want to set a president
It's easy for those that have a solidify standing to hold out or ask others to hold out. Those that are just making ends meet will never do since they have more to lose. If the movement is important, the top tier players need to provide loans, with no interest. That way they have skin in the game, without making a potential side profit, as those that are cutting their living paycheck. Both will have strong incentive to make the hold out work.
I agree with Shannon on this one. The only thing that would dissuade the fans from watching or showing up would be a degradation of play on the field. NFL fans don't show up to see particular players, they show up to see the team. The players are secondary.
You have a 53 man Roster plus practice squad. They have 15 players. The problem the nfl is going to have when they have 60 qbs who can start in about 5 to 10 years. These guys have alot of time to train to be pro ready unlike 20 to 30 yrs ago when you might have 10 great qbs in a span of 5 drafts. When do the numbers come down?
I think owners could easily still vouch for retaining a hard salary cap but it just means you can’t pay a QB 50/mil a year so in turn it would level out the the paying field for all positions. BUT that smaller contract is fully guaranteed. It’ll be a give and take but that’s how you fully guarantee contracts up the salary cap to 300-350Mil/year and fully guarantee contracts for all players.
No ant signed a 5/204. He got that because he was a alstar on his rookie deal. Now that he has made is first all nba team. That increases the 204 to 245. So it adds about 7 million dollars to each year.
The problem with the league is, they will always have college students to put on the uniforms, that brings crowds with them the next year. America loves they're football.
The owners have these players programmed to think like Unc. Thinking it won’t really matter because they can replace them. Will people show up to the games regardless sure but I don’t think that Unc understands that Stars is what sells these games as well not just the teams. They really don’t understand the power they could have but the players as a whole aren’t willing to take a stand.
This is why I said what Kap was doing was pointless, there was no plan or end goal. All these dudes just want to “look” like they are doing something. But nothing ever changes when you focus on surface level and symbolism
You're right, but Shannon is right as well. UNC knows, the QBs have to be the ones to say no. Most other players ARE replaceable and not even college kid is gonna understand the gravity of what their seniors are doing, they'll just wanna come in and play
@@JasenMinus A crisis in humans? what in the world are you talking about. Once again, what got accomplished, but him being on his knees begging? He got paid, but what changed? what was the plan? what was the goal? Think brother.
For everyone saying its the numbers of players baseball has 945 players, hockey has over a 1000, soccer has like over 75k the nfl had a revenue of 20 billion, baseball 4 billion, and hockey 6 billions if all these organizations can play their players nfl can to
Fellas, adding Gil was a bullseye. Chad has excellent great energy but it not a true contributor or debater. But, over all, perfect show. You all are better than First Take! 😮
Not simple because there’s no reason for the NFL salary cap to be anywhere near the NBA’s. They generate like $25 billion a year so a $250 million dollar hard salary cap to pay 53 players is really peanuts when you think about it
@@jamiethomas5849gotta check ur numbers brodie, nfl made 12b last year nba made 10b……… nfl reported 1,700 players and nba reported around 450…….. its just a numbers thing
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Gil is 100 percent right. If the players hold out, the fans will get tired of the replacements and turn it off. When the fans stop watching, the sponsors stop paying. When the sponsors stop paying, the team owners are going to make the deal.
It only takes about 2 seasons of Joe blow barely throwing a 2 yard flat and missing before folks stop coming to the game.
And who says the top dog NFL players can't make their own league? Imagine how much pull Patrick Mahomes alone carries
@@Losdayeti4Mahomes is Making 58 million before endorsements. He's not going anywhere.
@@Losdayeti4 Wrong they did that people still came...Twice. People watch the Canadian league goofus lol
@@jimparks5478 without googling name the top 25 players in the CFL. You can even use the UFL if that helps, the AFL too. I'm waiting goofus
CFL average viewers is closer to 500k
NFL average viewers is closer to 18 million.
There's a reason for that
@@jimparks5478nobody watches the CFL. Hell we barely watch the XFL, USFl, or any other L
Gil was ALL THE WAY ON POINT!!! 💯
I agree! It will work if the star players are going to lead the way.
he was on fire in this one
100 Huncho Percento!
Gil is the only one with balls there. Ocho: “you can’t leave your homeboys in the wind!” Uhh what!?! F the homeboys!!! I need my extra 10 million a year!!!!
@pidouble145 Exactly. You have to look out for the next generation of players.
The fact that ALL members of the final 53 roster on NFL teams don't have fully guaranteed contracts show how weak these players are.
Sounds like Gil needs to be in charge of the NFLPA 😂😂😂
Nah he is talking shh
Nah you know how many NBA players are not going to be getting these Max contracts because they're not making these teams because of that 65 game rule. Embiid and lamelo probably will never make another all NBA team
@@tuubu9115Yep nba is cutting down on who gets it now cuz there getting tired of the max comtracts going to players who'll sit out 50-25% of the season😂
@@shadow_td. But a part of that is people load managing. They put that part on themselves, but they still get fully guaranteed contracts.
@@tuubu9115 They may try to get around the 65 game rule by 5 to 10 minutes in some games, unless the rule requires playing a certain number of minutes to count as having played in that game.
Don't say it's too many players when people work jobs and have a union. When you shut down companies the attitude of the owners changes. I agree with GIL 100%.
ain't never gone happen, you see the divide that just colin kaepernick kneeling created? yea like they'd ever agree on not headin into work, it'd never happen half the community would be calling the other half lazy for wanting to hold off on working / playin the game
Unk trippin when the quality of the game drop for a significant period the fans will stop showing up.
Gil knows what he is talking about. The Networks was on the NBA ass when players were game managing on prime time games. They told the NBA “ This is not what we payed for” hence to why they are fining players for taking games off.
The Fact the NFL has a salary cap and no guaranteed contracts is enough to lockout if you can't discipline yourself to live off 200K per year than you can't live on 200M per year
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Waddaya mean per year. You just said the contracts weren't guaranteed so after the lockout begins those players getting paid 200k aren't getting paid anymore. Especially 200k contract meaning it's the league minimum also meaning no big signing bonus to survive off of. Only about 5 players a team getting paid the big money meaning big signing bonus to survive the other 48 or so are had by the nuts.
@@zazzazoozay2914not to mention paying everyone on their team lawyers, trainers, nutrionists, agent, some of these dudes have families and if you live in a city like San Francisco? It’s a wrap 😂
@@zazzazoozay2914he saying if you can’t collect your $200-300k this year and manage it to live off of it during the lockout then you can’t manage well. Which essentially just comes down to living below your means until an agreement can be reached. Most Americans are making it off of $60k/year. It would just be a sacrifice but at least now when you come back that 2-500k is fully guaranteed no matter what and obviously any other contracts. Now with that being said the owners could easily still vouch for retaining a hard salary cap but it just means you can’t pay a QB 50/mil a year so in turn it would level out the the paying field for all positions. BUT that smaller contract is fully guaranteed. It’ll be a give and take
Easy for someone to say that never had 200K
GIL PREACHING. NFL players deserve better pay - FLAT OUT!!! 🤷🏾♂️
Gil is right. Have to sacrifice to get the big bag. But every player on that “every man for themselves “ mentality
Gil is dumb 😂
Gil is telling the truth. There are too many players who think like Shannon and not enough with the winning mentality.
@@Jgip34Both perspectives are valid. It’s a job at the end of the day.
Gil is right about what they should do. But Shannon is right too. There’s not enough unity for an NFL lockout to last.
@@skillethead15 because the players that are worth it are already getting paid. Plus the nba is going down ever since they went crazy pretty much making cap a non issue
Social Media has created a lane that has allowed fans to become much more attached to players. The notion that fans are only attached to teams compared to players may have been true in the 80s but times are different now and I think that changes everything. Fans would not be okay with replacement players playing now for an extended period. People already hate the preseason
You're right.ni wouldn't watch. It would feel like XFL
EXACTLY..idk wtf shannon was talking about.
The problem is other than the qb, players change teams way too often now so there's no real player loyalty. You can throw any player on your team and you will still watch it.
@@stevelouie5928 Unless you’re a QB it’s hard to get a long term deal & you’re still gonna want your money
“We don’t want to see Jackson mahomes twerking” 🤣 Gil sneak dissin pat mahomes brother is gold!
😂😂😂
lol
Twerking throwing the football
Where is the timestamp y'all ain't got no RUclips etiquette
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Change requires sacrifice. We haven’t learned that yet 🤦🏽♂️
Except players who'd gladly take less would quickly do it we literally saw it with the rb's last season
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When the owners used replacement players during the 1987 strike, those who crossed the picket line included future Hall of Famers like Joe Montana and Lawrence Taylor. MLB owners tried using replacements during the 1994-5 strike, but not a single regular player crossed the picket line. That would explain why the NFL has a hard salary cap, while MLB has just a luxury tax.
And the NHL did lose a whole season to a work stoppage about 20 years ago, and they are still in operation.
Joe Montana crossing is nuts. Lawrence Taylor makes sense, he’s nuts.
the TOP dawgs gotta band together & cover the lesser players expenses who makes less in order for it to work. since they will be affected the most.
@@pidouble145 yeah and he was one of the highest paid players at that time-if he crossed then what hope did the rest have
@@2402devin If they didn't have so much expenses this would be viable. I am not going to fork over millions per year for you and your baby mamas and children and 15 other extended family members.
Gil completely right. But everyone doesn't think collectively.
The NFL owners have successfully implemented a defeatist mentality into the NFL players it’s amazing to see
Definitely! It’s almost like a communist because almost everyone who doesn’t act certain way gets clipped.(ex:Ocho’s,OBJ’s,T.O’s) you literally can’t have a certain personality
Let's quit the BS tho. Mlb has 162 games a year and the NBA 82 games. NFL got 17 with 55 players.
Mlb 162 with 26 (in an active roster and 40 man rsater)
Nba team got 15-20 players with 82 games. Obviously the pool of money is way larger for nba teams than nfl.
Nba playoffs is more rounds and more games per round. NFL you have one bad month and your season is almost over
@@acruzro95Yes but the average NFL stadium is 90,000 seats. The average ticket per game is going for $3,000. That equals 270 million per game in ticket sales plus merch and food sales and TV rights. The NFL makes endless money. They should pay the lower players more money. Everyone on the team should make at minimum a million a year. The practice squad maybe less because they don't play etc. Also they have to spend a lot in keeping the stadium up and paying all those people to work at the stadium etc.
Because beasts of burden rarely knows it's fate...
@@Maybehiramits capitalism in its true form, don’t know how you got communism from the current state of affairs
If the nfl players fought for guaranteed contracts the way they fought Austin rivers.. they’d have guaranteed contracts by now 🤷🏾
If they fought for guaranteed contracts the way they fought FOR MARIJUANA…
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they also didn't vote much regarding the scheduling...so you can't blame the owners for player apathy
THIS IS A EXCELLENT CONVERSATION!!!...BLACK MEN IN PRO SPORTS LISTEN AT WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED!!!
Black men in football, there I fixed it for you
Believing the NFL won’t suffer if they replaced superstars with any random players is exactly how they want y’all to think.. They’ve convinced Hall of Famers that they were easily replaceable.
Cause it happened already in 87, fans waa so happy their team was back playing
Lol history has proven that fans will still watch and support if you get replacements.
The NBA will not because they built their brand on the players. If you find out Steph Curry, Anthony Davis and Lebron were sitting out, would you watch that matchup?
The fact of the matter is nfl fans are more loyal than nba fans
@@dperfect28 That was 37yrs ago. There's been 3 whole generations of new fans between the last strike and 2024. The individual stars of the NFL are way bigger nowdays than they were back then. The shield as a brand is shrinking while the brand of the indivual brand star QB is rising. Patrick Mahomes is about as popular of america athelte that there is. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, as individuals are all bigger than The Shield.
I don't think so if the players stuck together they could change things. Things are different now people have many more viewing options. Ratings would drop significantly if the stars weren't playing.
Fan here 🙋🏽♂️ I’m not watching the replacements fam
Try putting Blake Bortles or Josh Rosen in the chiefs uniform and see if the viewership stays the same
exactly
Man, I barely watch the XFL or the USFL
Exactly, the modern NFL fan is paying to watch their favorite player, regardless of the team. They are not going to waste their money on replacement players, and the same applies to those TV networks.
Once the TV networks refuse broadcast NFL games without the real players, this will force Goodell and the owners to make a decision.
Gilbert Arenas is correct 👌🏿
Gotta love Gil's mentality. Only those who's gonna vote the way I want, should be allowed to vote. Of course, every player still has to pay their Union fees.
The problem is that the NFLPA held out for weed and less practice time during the last collective bargaining agreement, instead of guaranteed contracts. They didn't want to miss *one* check for the sake of having *future* checks
Exactly
@@Packman2397 In the NFL, you can always find somebody that can do your job for less money. In the NBA, you cannot say that. You see NBA teams like Washington and Charlotte that have been playing for the future for years.
@@therealdarrell282 yea there’s some truth to that but like Gil said also what makes the NFL great are the GREAT players. Nobody wants to see mahomes backup playing for the chiefs we don’t want to see strouds backup or Lamar backup etc. but yes there’s more opportunity for cheaper guys to do great because the NFL is such a cutthroat league there’s no security.
On the other show years ago shannon kept telling em they worried about the wrong thing at the cba
@@Chief_thunder_charging_bear right, because he knows. He's been through this, he probably wanted the NFLPA to fight for it when he was a player but these guys keep folding like a warm blanket every single time at the bargaining table
Gil made the most SOLID of points!!! NFL players lay it on the line for crumbs… they don’t even have guaranteed contracts!!
Do you know the minimum for football vs basketball?
@@EDWARDTHEEAUTHOR league minimum has nothing to do with holding out for simple contract guarantees and increased revenue sharing from tv and advertising deals. NFL is falling behind baseball and basketball in players salaries year after year
NFL players play around 20 games a year. The other sports play more games which means more revenue and ticket sales. Therefore NFL players will typically make less money per year. Mathematically it makes sense.
@@mateaukalua4426 so how does playing 20 games have an impact on guaranteed contracts, affordable healthcare after retirement, or improved revenue share?
Nobody seems to look at real numbers. NFL player revenue share is 48% and the NBA player revenue share is 51%. 3% more spread out over a 53 man roster wont look that different.
I have never in my life agreed with Gilbert Arenas so much. I don't give a damn if ppl bad wit they money they just gotta do some side job till we get back to playing ball but I'm not wit setting up generations to get taken advantage of.
Gil is 100% right ✅️
I agree with Gil 100% on this.
NFLPA need Gil and not DeMaurice
They need someone similar to Don Fehr, who used to run the baseball players union.
Nah, NFLPA need Gil to regenerate what Maurice is saying. Cuz he's been saying the same thing. But they don't listen.
The players neee to have discipline wit their doe. And be stand strong!
@@MarleyG4669 The player's need to stop simping and tricking their money away. Start saying no to people in your circle, live way within their means,and get serious about financial education themselves.
The player's needs to stop spending carelessly. The player's need to stop simping and tricking their money away. Start saying no to people in your circle, live way within their means,and get serious about financial education themselves.
I promise you in today's world, we not watching replacements fam
So you didn't watch games when your team lost its players due ti injury?
@@shadow_td completely different
@@shadow_td You can’t control injury, you can control your ability to show up if you’re healthy
Lie it was already done before and nfl fans def was watching idc who out there people will watch
@@KeithEasley-qd9pb just not true
It’s simple math . NFL teams have 52-53 players . NBA teams have 14-18 players . The NBA can afford to pay each player much more .
Exactly just look at the numbers. 2022 nfl had a revenue of 12billion, and they have almost 1700 PLAYERS, not even accounting for anything else. The nba had 10.5 billion and they only have 450 players. Like it’s really just a numbers game
Pretty much easy as that🤷🏾
If you go to the nfl roster after the top 10 players the rest get like pennies.
@@estebanrodriguez6480after you pay your starting 11, you’re still paying 42 guys. It adds up.
@@estebanrodriguez6480those are some expensive pennies
Gil is actually right on this.
Basically, how Unions work.
yup
hes not. he hasn't thought about the fact the average nfl career is 3 years... these players making regular contracts aren't going to give up a single year to so that the 2% of players in the league get more money. unless those very rich players are willing to give those regular players money to survive the lockout its never going to happen
@@lilzoe10001 that’s where your wrong, it’s not about just the 2% it’s about everyone getting guaranteed contracts to some degree. & whatever else the players bring to the table
@@2402devin I'm saying for the lockout to be effective. I agree with what ur saging
Problem with the nfl, the important players the QB they all taken care by the owner asap with their contracts.. the minute all this qbs go on lock down and ask for fully guaranteed for everyone everything will change
Nah because the value of the qb and replacing them is not comparable to any other position in the nfl 😂.
No, they would find replacements every year new prospects are made and the nfl has the opinion that they make stars not the other way around. Football is different
Technically... All of the QBs could strike, and they could just play all of the games with dudes off the street handing the ball to the RBs.
@@Ulquiorra105 why would they strike? They are getting paid insane amounts 😂
Shannon’s mindset on saving everyone is why the NFL contracts are minimal compared to the NBA and other sports, he has to understand - most people live check to check in general so he can’t make a decision based off that.
exactly thats why people who are oppressed are oppressed for so long bc they just comply comply comply
@@princecheck11 yup, it’s insane bro. It’s like people working jobs that they hate, I did that once for four days and left - made less initially but in the long run I made it into six figures, large part in enjoying the work that I’m doing.
SS said he wouldn't care if gas was @15$ a gallon if meant DJT not in office - he's an elite out of touch lib , he dont gaf about avg law abiding tax paying citizens regardless of color
The NFl contracts are minimal with less guaranteed contracts cause they in a far more dangerous sport with completely different structure
@@dominiquerobinson8888 their contacts are minimal because they won’t hold out like every other league will
One of the most open and honest discussions on this topic I have heard in a long time. You will never see this as an ESPN documentary.
To Gil's point in this age of social media it is a different animal then when they did the strike in the 80s.
Ocho is peer entertainment 😂… he gave absolutely nothing to this topic but “mmhmm, yea, I like that, I see where you going” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's 90% of topics. He's always just kinda there. He doesn't add much to any conversation...
@@sora4440 perfect co host for Unc who likes to talk
He know his lane on this topic😂😂😂😂😂
Love that AP Unc! But you stuck in the 1980s.. these days, the networks have a lot more power. They (and the fans) want the real players. The players need to hold out:
1. Guaranteed contracts
2. No franchise tag
3. Lifetime health insurance
4. No salary caps
Your just asking for fucking super teams with no salary cap ..
No the nfl needs a salary cap
It doesn’t matter about size of roster or how many players. The NFL generates more money than the NBA they have the means to do guaranteed contracts. The MLB does it
Thats a NFLPA problem
@@kobebryant24861 you’re right
What should be the salary cap? And your basically asking for superteams to be formed if you go to high.... Better yet qbs will just ask for more and take up that money
Get rid of the cap. Free market.
@@shadow_tdget rid of the cap or incentivize teams to keep their star players like the NBA does with max contract eligibility so super teams don’t occur as much
In Shannon’s day, NFL could get away with replacements, NOT TODAY!!!
Bingo, if any of the top dogs say they're not playing until they get a new deal, I can guarantee you they will make a change
Unc was big mad, Gil had em standing up 😅😅😅
Unc for some odd reason defends goodell on every thing is like he’s too afraid to speak against the nfl
@@patriotskingnation8084straight up bruh Shannon act like shit can’t change
@@Floridaboi32 @patriotskingnation8084 yalll leep forgeting most players in the nfl are only there for three years. Those guys making 500k a year aren't going to sacrifice even a year to help the 2% of nfl players making the real money. nba players theres only 15 guys on a team and 10/15 are making good money.
@@Floridaboi32it’ll be a hard fight to change the nfl. They don’t have the leverage other leagues have since the fans will show up if the stars are playing or not
Shannon wasn't defending Goodell. Shannon was going by history and what he knows is gonna happen. He said Gil was right but he knows it wouldn't work.
After hearing that, i would be living in the gym if i was 6'7 . 17 again
Tatum and Luka make that much because they are playing for the team that drafted them and are making all NBA teams... it's a way to keep players to stay with the team that drafted them
Thank you lol I just went waiting in that to be said
Yea that rule was created because of lebron and kd.
Thts all they had 2 say. This is an example of people not knowing but guessing. And Sharpe also confuses us cuz he loves 2 yell like hes the gospel. A Hillbilly at his finest
@@DennisB-is4mjhow are are going to criticize someone and you can’t spell
"I don't wanna see no Jaxon Mahomes out there twerking, throwing no football!!" 😂🤣😂🤣☠️💀☠️
Your videos are solid, keep up the good work
Gil asked Ocho what his meal was and he gon say a #1 extra cheese w no onions 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's chad real order everyday at McDonald's. 😂 He own some since he was spending so much money there.
@@DELL0015Ocho owns 3 MCDONALDS FRANCHISES though.. He trolls alot.
I’m riding with Gil. This is a different day and fans are different with more attachment to players. Ain’t nobody watching XFL players in NFL uniforms lol
Mark gastineau, randy white, Joe Montana, Lawrence Taylor, Eric Dickerson, doug flutie, howie long.... smh. ALL nfl stars...all top players on the league at the position at the time. You would think they had a couple pennies in the bank ... sheesh
🤣🤣🤣I love Gils train of thought in this debate. NFL players better organize if they're going to have any chance of getting their money
The NBA players cut differently that’s why they keep getting bigger contracts..
Gil right! It’s crazy the NFL makes more than the MLB & NBA combined. These dudes still gotta fight for guaranteed contracts. That’s insane! They definitely should be making more than baseball & basketball players especially for the violence of that sport
Gil is hundred percent right. After a while the fans will side with the players. Fans understand if the superstars are not on the field. We are in a world where people understand finances.
No wonder McNair said "we can't have the inmates running the prison".
NFL got Unk Shook.
The NFL player union has been the absolute worst for years now of all the major sports 🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣 you get what you negotiate...they don't even get guaranteed contacts 💯
They should have guarantees, at least 40% of their total contract. This way, the business is safe, and the players are taken care of.
It always amazes me how the most popular and most powerful league in the country has the worst players union. The owners really convinced the players that they’re not important enough to the sport to get guaranteed money
"CD Lamb or baby Lamb" dam that had me rollin on the floor 😂
😂😂😂baby lamb 🐑 has me in tears
🤣 5'5 149 out of Louisville, Kentucky graduated from Snow Junior College in 2022 Baby Lamb number 88.
1987 was a long time ago. Now NFL has more ppl so they’ll never get NBA money but the way ppl watch the XFL I think they could do a holdout. But guys gotta be on code with each other and that’s where the problems are. NFL players won’t even take the risk which is sad.
NFL players don’t know their power. Period.
This was the most educational episode talking about contracts and money. This was very enlightening. Every fan needs to understand this.
Unc is right about the fans not caring about the NFL players as much as the team. NBA is different bc I will follow my fav players to whatever team they go to. However, I’m in Baltimore and we don’t have an NBA team 😂
Ocho sittin there like “Damn I should’ve played basketball this sum bullshit.” 😂
At 6'1 he would have been a practice squad guy making $200,000 a year back then.
Unc you better listen to Gil on this. He is right.
Gil has a solid point here!
The minimum nfl salary is 750k…. You’re telling me you can’t survive one year off of that??? Knowing how much I make and how I’m able to live off of that, man I could survive 3 damn years off of 750k
Remember 40% go to taxes plus the agent fee. Be I do agree I could live three years comfortably on 450k take home.
Let me simplify this. The players has all the power, but they buckled under pressure instead of sticking together and the owners knew they would
N most players in the nfl are black, & us blacks already know unity, standing together, solidarity is none exist w us smh .. stand together or fall/die together..
If all the QB's sit out, I bet things will change
Heck yeah but some of them are broke too. Nobody on the Patriots team can afford to sit out a whole season. 🤣
Gil was cookin on this one💯💯
This was hilarious and informative at the same time!! Solid
I don’t normally agree with Gil but he’s absolutely correct
GiL has a MAJOR point. And I hate agreeing with him lol. Even if the NFL owners were to replace striking players, I have a hard time thinking fans would be satisfied with an inferior product/team.
Excellent Excellent conversation..I was educated greatly on this topic..the only sport that's really getting over is the NFL
WOW!!! This is the most consequential NIGHTCAP show ever! Them boys are talking money and the deep skeletons of the NFL. The owners are going to be shaking in their boots when they watch this show.
Gil had me cracking up in this clip. 😂😂
Gil is speaking from the pulpit...sad to see how Shannon and Ocho got the defeated attitude for this topic
roger goodell :- " ho!! Gill shout your f***ing mouth ." 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣 goodell supposedly believes in freedom of speech.
I for the life of me could never understand why fans always side with the owners. If your son was on a NFL team,you would want them to make more money.
You know why i love nightcap,is because of Ochocinco,his mindset is simple like many of us who don’t play or not in the business and Unc is relatable enough and humble to understand us to detail it to us.
NFL makes 10x that of the NBA as a league. The issue is revenue sharing which it’s obviously NFL owners don’t want to increase the slice of pie given to NFL players.
Can’t be mad NBA players are more business savvy, and create their own brands to use as leverage contract wise.
I love this conversation between you three! So sports educational and entertaining ❤
Gil: “My girrrlll gone leave me 🥹🥹🥹” 😂😂😂
Y’all should play this podcast during the rookie symposium and during contract negotiations.. play the long game
They needa make a night cap shirt that say “ohhhhh noooooo” 😅😂🤣😂🤣
This is gils magnum opus. His greatest take
Gil is Right
Shannon this isn’t 1987 and if you don’t believe Gil is right try it for a year
The NFL wouldn’t guarantee Lamar’s contract because the owners didn’t want to set a president
Shannon talking about 87 this is 24 times have changed and if it don’t work once try that shit again
It's easy for those that have a solidify standing to hold out or ask others to hold out. Those that are just making ends meet will never do since they have more to lose.
If the movement is important, the top tier players need to provide loans, with no interest. That way they have skin in the game, without making a potential side profit, as those that are cutting their living paycheck. Both will have strong incentive to make the hold out work.
I agree with Shannon on this one. The only thing that would dissuade the fans from watching or showing up would be a degradation of play on the field. NFL fans don't show up to see particular players, they show up to see the team. The players are secondary.
You have a 53 man Roster plus practice squad. They have 15 players. The problem the nfl is going to have when they have 60 qbs who can start in about 5 to 10 years. These guys have alot of time to train to be pro ready unlike 20 to 30 yrs ago when you might have 10 great qbs in a span of 5 drafts. When do the numbers come down?
I think owners could easily still vouch for retaining a hard salary cap but it just means you can’t pay a QB 50/mil a year so in turn it would level out the the paying field for all positions. BUT that smaller contract is fully guaranteed. It’ll be a give and take but that’s how you fully guarantee contracts up the salary cap to 300-350Mil/year and fully guarantee contracts for all players.
Within the first 11 min already unc was so loud that he wouldn’t let Gil speak like dang 😂😂 let the basketball guy speak
No ant signed a 5/204. He got that because he was a alstar on his rookie deal. Now that he has made is first all nba team. That increases the 204 to 245. So it adds about 7 million dollars to each year.
You cannot get guaranteed money until you SHUT IT DOWN!!! NIL make the drafted players more patient.
We need UNK “knowledge” with Gil “Nuts” . Unk don’t have the courage to go up against the NFL
Gil really said they can practice one day and play 2 games in the same week. 😂
The problem with the league is, they will always have college students to put on the uniforms, that brings crowds with them the next year. America loves they're football.
The owners have these players programmed to think like Unc. Thinking it won’t really matter because they can replace them. Will people show up to the games regardless sure but I don’t think that Unc understands that Stars is what sells these games as well not just the teams. They really don’t understand the power they could have but the players as a whole aren’t willing to take a stand.
This is why I said what Kap was doing was pointless, there was no plan or end goal. All these dudes just want to “look” like they are doing something. But nothing ever changes when you focus on surface level and symbolism
@@dontes5009kap was fighting a crisis in humans, this is not Even remotely close.
You're right, but Shannon is right as well. UNC knows, the QBs have to be the ones to say no. Most other players ARE replaceable and not even college kid is gonna understand the gravity of what their seniors are doing, they'll just wanna come in and play
@@JasenMinus A crisis in humans? what in the world are you talking about. Once again, what got accomplished, but him being on his knees begging? He got paid, but what changed? what was the plan? what was the goal? Think brother.
@@dontes5009 so he CANT PROTEST BECAUSE HE DIDNT CHANGE ANYTHING HIMSELF? ok guy have a great one being a sheep
For everyone saying its the numbers of players baseball has 945 players, hockey has over a 1000, soccer has like over 75k the nfl had a revenue of 20 billion, baseball 4 billion, and hockey 6 billions if all these organizations can play their players nfl can to
This was an amazing conversation
Gil needs to negotiate for the NFL players!
This Topic need to be bring back up on night Cap maybe the NFL players will wise up..Gil has a point with Netflix and Amazon,..
I agree with Gil. If you wanna move the needle, not everybody getting a vote.
Fellas, adding Gil was a bullseye. Chad has excellent great energy but it not a true contributor or debater. But, over all, perfect show. You all are better than First Take! 😮
We gotta protect Gil the NFL gone come for him 😂😂😂
This segment was GOLD!!! Gil was 😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
Theres only 15 players on a nba team compared to like 50+ on a nfl team. Simple mathematics
Not simple because there’s no reason for the NFL salary cap to be anywhere near the NBA’s. They generate like $25 billion a year so a $250 million dollar hard salary cap to pay 53 players is really peanuts when you think about it
This why they need top players to be only people voting
@@jamiethomas5849gotta check ur numbers brodie, nfl made 12b last year nba made 10b……… nfl reported 1,700 players and nba reported around 450…….. its just a numbers thing
Nba talent is far more rare than nfl talent plain and simple
@@jamiethomas5849because they want the league to actually be competitive and not just stacking expensive talent
Shannon and Gil both had valid points