You should try to make a speed limit sign that says 55 miles an hour and have somebody hold it on the side of the road to see if the car reads it. It would be an interesting test.
There a video on RUclips where someone already did this. They even held up numbers like 200 and did various other tests. Can’t remember the name of the video but it’s there
@@DirtyTeslaHmmm…is putting it in Drive intent to start moving forward? 🧐 Honestly, an argument could be made for both when it comes to FSD in my opinion.
@@DirtyTesla I kinda see it as…putting the car in Drive is a “mode setting”. Once I decide I’m ready to go, I want it to go forward. Same with FSD. It’s “a mode”. When I’m ready to go, full self drive purdy please. 🤷♂️
I would prefer fsd not move until I touch the gas. FSD does not know I'm ready just because I put my destination in. I think its perfect the way it is. love your vids.....been watching since 20k subscribers.
You need to drive when the sun is low on the horizon in the early morning. and driving into the sun with a shady area ahead. I am getting a lot "take over immediately" warnings at certain intersections with this version on M3 2020 HW3. It looks like you are driving midday. which makes it easy to avoid this problem.
Chris, There has always been an option to set the max speed if the driver wanted to. In FSD V12 we have been given the option in settings to choose Manual or Auto set max speed.
I think the not moving from a dead stop (11:30 in the video) is similar to the reverse in smart summon. It can't see if anything is right in front of the car, so it doesn't want to go, and it can't reverse to check
It's so nice to see that these very needed changes are coming to the general public! Thank you for explaining how the profiles work. It's really neat to see it actually react to a profile change in real time and speed up or slow down. We're not a robotaxi yet, so having these controls in a specific context is super important. Like you mentioned, there are definitely roads where people speed 10-15 over and that is the norm, where if you don't do that you will be flipped off, tailgated, and who knows what else
Agree 100% with everything you said about speed control. Tesla has to realize that they are encouraging constant human input (foot on accelerator) when the car goes too slow which I'm sure they do not want. Also, I too have noted some REALLY hard stops with 12.5.6.1 (don't have .2 yet). I think I saw they were working on smoother stops so I bet we are getting close to them fixing both of these issues!
Your drives experiences are exactly the same as mine. The thing that bugs me the most is the deteriorating speed. Especially when you have someone behind you. On those roads I just put my foot on the accelerator and keep it there. The wrong speed limits, not slowing down or speeding up when the speed limit charges. Are just about my only interventions. Like you said, if we went back to v11 speed control, I would have so many 0 intervention drives. We are so close but yet it feel very fast away still. I know they want to control the speed to keep with the flow of traffic, but it doesn't do that either. When you go from a 35mph speed limit, to a 55mph speed limit. The cars in front are accelerating, the cats behind you are riding your tail and the car shows the speed change, but nothing, no acceleration at all. I get so frustrated, I have been leaving some no so nice voice massages. No foul language, just showing my frustrating. Thanks for the video, I'm just glad we have a youtuber that has these issues and is our voice
I saw all these issues coming from a million miles away. When Openpilot, an open-source driver assistance system came out with end-to-end longitudinal 3 years ago, it wrecked havoc on the speed control. Now Tesla does the same thing, and you’d never guess what happened. Your statement about combining the V12 lateral controls and V11 longitudinal controls are pretty much spot on from what I was thinking. They say all user control is error, but what if what I’m looking for is a *really good* driver assistance system? Until I’m sitting in the back seat I don’t think this is the way forward.
You mentioned that on one road where the speed limit is 50, and FSD was going ~55, and people were passing you. Does that bother you when someome passes you, even when you are already going over the speed limit?
agreed! this whole speed thing is weird! If the speed limit is 50mph then do 50mph! if others around you want to speed then let them! we need FSD to stick to the speed limits not go over them!There is a reason speed limits exist!
@@kc-me6wlthen there will be people complaining that "FSD is too slow and will never work for me" Then some case when it goes over speed limit in 15mph zone "FSD is way too fast and unsafe" Cannot please people
County/City Road Departments could help computer controlled driving with better/more signage and painted stop line locations on the roads. I'm guessing Tesla is working behind the scenes on FSD for cars without any controls which adversely affects our experience. We are the non-paid beta testers, this is why anyone who purchases FSD should get free transfers to a final release hardware/software combo when it is finally stable.
Very nice videos. My gripe with FSD is it hesitates still and it makes bad decisions for toll booths and it gets lost with complex merges still. It’s gotten better but 60%
I’m HW3 2020 MYP with 5.4.2. I must still disengage 3/10. It does some goofy moves mostly at lights and ASS had not worked in my underground parking. It thinks I’m outside.
I have a similar one that has wireless charging, and they do often come with MagSafe. It works great, but make sure to read reviews before you purchase as some of them have REALLY weak magnets and makes your phone fall off of it constantly.
Thanks for sharing. Interested to see how FSD will perform in snow&ice conditions. Waymo doesn't have that weather in any of the supported regions, right?
I can't speak to snow and ice, but I do live in Florida where when it rains, it pours. In most cases it handles it just fine, but it sometimes it does have a hard time detecting lane lines through turns, especially when the road is even slightly reflecting sunlight. Here in Florida, it is also a requirement to have your headlights on when it rains, and that can cause some issues as well with reflections. However, the car never does anything super sketchy or things that would make me need to take over.
I haven't had any hesitation. Quite the opposite, FSD took a right yield and nearly floored it. I was going 10 over then it was slamming on the brakes going 10 under. Also, it has turned on the street before the correct one and misses exits on the highway. I did find that the left turn while yielding to oncoming traffic was really good.
Your computer shows that it is a 45 mph speed limit on that stretch of road, not 55. That's why it slowed down. The car is working perfectly, with the exception that the map data and speeds are incorrect for what the real speed limit is.
Wondering if anyone could answer this for me. After this newest update on my Model X, it made a maneuver that I always make and disengage for when arriving at my house to back up into my driveway. 1 time only, the very first time after the update, the car actually went on the wrong side of the road to make a sort of ? Maneuver and positioned itself to be ready to back into my driveway in the exact same manner as I do every day. But it only did it that one time, now it just pulls straight in. Prepping for FSD to go in reverse?
Hey bud, random question have you encountered any instances with it sticking out too far? I know the old creep behavior made a lot of people feel like the car took way too long to complete a turn, but now it almost feels like it jumps out too early, sees a car then stops, sticking out a bit into the road. 3 instances this past week for me in 10 miles.
Based on the limitations you mentioned around the 15min mark. Where would you say the true price of FSD should be valued at in it's current state? My guess is $2500 since transfers are strictly at Tesla's mercy and the software still requires quite a bit of intervention. I can buy a fairly similar (roughly 90% of functionality) Comma 3X for $1150 + harness and get a comparable experience with the ability to sell the device whenever or transfer it to another vehicle.
My two cents - I think the speed profiles aren't actually taking the speed limit signs in mind. It's factoring more the smoothness or abruptness of movement (acceleration, braking, steering, etc.). When in Chill - it'll do little to (hopefully) no lane changes unless it has to, Standard - a few here and there, Hurry then "The Transporter" style.
Great video. I agree with you 100% of what you experience in this video, i experience the same frustrations with the speed control .hopefully they fix jack rabbit starts and hard breaking when common to traffic lights and stop signs. My latest update has tried to run through four red lights.. it was just clearly not going to stop so so I had to intervene
Why not just fix the speed issues with OSM? I had to in my area because it was mapped as a 25 instead of a 65. It won't show immediately, but will be pulled in the next map update.
You still owe us the parking garage test with the Cybertruck ;D Meaning the place where old FSD always tried to ram the car straight into a concrete wall instead of turning right. ;)
Waiting..... Profiles will help me a great deal as I drive a lot on a divided highway and the goofy handling of speed dissuades me from using FSD much.
On 12.5.4, my car tries to kill me at my neighborhood entrance. It starts the left turn, then aims straight at a giant boulder on the curb, and accelerates. I have to grab the wheel and yank it left every time to avoid dying. (I assume it would break before crashing, but it can't do the turn.) 12.3.6 never had that problem, so I'm sure it can be fixed eventually. Hoping for an update soon.
Glad it’s not me. It is frustrating when the speed limit is 45 but only goes 36 etc. I disengage. And the car doesn’t drive like I do it always puts me in slow lane. Gets annoying
Maybe the reason for delayed release to all is the speed limit issue you’re clearly pointing out. As for FSD not moving when starting a destination or a route, I would prefer as is i.e. I push the gas when I’m ready to go.
@@wreckinball11 Ah, that could be the issue then. I’ve heard that the AI3 cars have a lot more issues with FSD now. Kind of sucks to be honest, and it has me worried about how long AI4 will be supported.
I use 12.5.4.1 but don’t bother with Auto Speed. On a 50 mile drive on Interstates, I intrevene at least a few times. Often, it’s just courtesy issues, allowing others to merge, choosing a different exit than recommended. Sometimes the passing, and yielding to passing vehicles isn’t quick enough.
I’m on 12.5.6.1 and tbh its getting so scary good honestly but what’s happening is because im using it so much im running into a few disengagements and errors but overall yea scary good this version
Nice video again, waiting for Australia 😅 Why is so much confusion with speed in US. In Australia you have to stick to speed limit, even 3 km/hr above limit you get a fine. 😢 Under speed limit is not too finable but people may not like it.
My biggest issue currently with FSD is how it tries to avoid objects on the road. The other day it tried to avoid a dead squirrel but just ran it over instead.
@ yeah the way it avoids things is definitely not trained by humans lol. If we avoid something we do it smoothly. Not jerk the wheel and wet the pants of passengers
To be fair, I’ve watched drivers try to avoid stuff in the road too, and just run it right over in the attempt😅 but I do agree it should straight to eventually do better than humans, but I don’t fault it for that action when it does something that a human might do. I just write it off as a learning experience.
Speeds are one of my major complaints, there has been improvement but there’s away to go. In California, the highway maintenance (calTrans) often will leave their orange construction signs up long after the work has been completed, this results in the car braking suddenly to 55 - big annoyance. I also frequently get the “FSD degraded” message, mostly , as far as I can tell, due to the sun hitting the cameras at a certain angle, I can’t imagine how the cameras would handle really bad weather in other states.
it has to mimic 11.4.9 when it goes zooming into a small town from 55 as soon as it sees the 35 sign it would immediately decel down to say 4 over, upvoted!!
i’ve got .3 and three times today fsd in my 2024 model y actually crossed the center line while driving 35 mph, the third time with an oncoming car. First time I’ve ever seen that in any prior release (had fsd since 2020) I’m a fan of fsd, but this latest weirdness freaked me out. still using it but definitely not super comfortable with this latest release.
@@gordonstewart5774 They already have tons of nav data, just look at the map for example. There's no excuse for not knowing unposted speed limit rules. Near where I live I pulled off a 25 zone onto a rural hwy which (unless posted otherwise) is 55 in my state. FSD took me 30 miles on a 55 thinking it was a 25. Ridiculous.
Other things that it used to do, and I can’t tell you which version because I’ve been driving a Tesla and paid for the extra self driving feature starting in 2012, is that it used to pull into my garage. You could also reliably tuck it into a tight space or pull it out of a tight space remotely And I don’t know if the dumb summon is smart enough to avoid obstacles? Additionally, it still does not turn into my driveway, and it should. It doesn’t even do that when I turn on the turn signal in front of my house as we approach my driveway. It should know where it left from and it should be able to go back to the exact same spot in the garage without intervention. It used to be able to do stuff like that or at least much closer to that than it does now, and I can guarantee you that was more than five years ago.
I think this is a transition from USS to Vision for the curbs and obstacles near the car. My car is newer and doesn't have USS, so I can't say from experience.
I hate that they removed minimal lane changes. I just want to go 10 over the speed limit in the middle lane and let it slow down when there’s a slower car in front of me, but now it wants to change lanes a lot. On chill mode it wants to hang in the rightmost lane. I’m switching back to AP on highways
I know that outside of the US that regulation restricts FSD (thx UNECE),but I do have the same complaint about the car stopping a bit too hard even tho you can see a stopped car in the distance/red light. I hope that if they fix it in the US they can put that fix in other cars too.
I imagine that because of those restrictions outside the US versions of FSD, that those versions of FSD are either relatively old in comparison or have a lot more limitations.
I'd never want it to speed on city streets. Divided highways sometimes you could get away with it a little but entirely depends on the fixed and average speed cameras.
18:00 in OSM this is fixed for four years, so looks like Tesla is using very outdated maps there. But I used the opportunity to add the missing stop signs. :)
Reasonable complaints about the speed thing. There's no excuse. It used to work better. If I speed up to make the green light... and then want to slow back down. How? Sometimes the scroll wheel does something, sometimes not. Usually I just turn off FSD for a second, but if there's anything else going on the system freaks out,
… most of the gas pedal tapping that you have to do - I think it’s SUPPOSED to work this way. Yes, it was different before. I think that for both of these cases, once everybody knows how to use it, this way is actually better, safer. 😮
Personally, when im on FSD and the car goes too slow for me, i just tell myself, what if all the cars were on FSD and the other people behind me were not other drivers, but other self-driving cars, would the speed be suitable, and the answer is often yes. Its not that it too slow, its that its too slow for other impatient drivers behind you.
My hope is that they're working toward implementing the speed profiles on all roads before wide release. Using y'all as beta testers to expend it gradually.
One thing we always omit or fail to recognise is that some of the things FSD struggle with, such as 8:10, is the fault of road design. Why on earth should somewhere with so much flat land end up with such a difficult to understand, non-standard intersection is beyond me.
I'm still running on a 4 yr old version, it's horrible compared to this FSD version. I'm losing faith if we ever get this in the Netherlands. I paid a lot for it, but it doesn't work. That said, i experience often that the car doesn't pick up speed. Like somebody in front of me accelerates from 50 to 70, it stayes on 50. Very often. Only thing i can do is hit the accelerator short and it's like it weaks up from a sleeping mode and starts accelerating. Very anoing driving in automatic / FSD.
12.5.6 drives like a grandma. Even when you press the gas, it will start to slow down again. Kind of miss 12.3.4 where I could set the speed myself and it would stick to it. I don't understand why it so hard to program it, to always go 5 over the speed limit.
I managed to somewhat fix the issue on 12.5.4.1 with turning off the auto max speed, but I understand that isn't available anymore in newer versions. Kind of hope that they fix this issue before I get another update.
Speed profiles everywhere would help, but the accuracy of the speed limits desperately needs improvement. In the video the car thinks the speed limit is 45 mph in a 55 zone for a good long time. In my experience, inaccurate speed limits are way more frequent than with V11 FSD.
On a clear day, on an empty 4 lane highway, I pushed car to 72 in a 65 … within 5 minutes it had slowed down 58 and might have kept slowing down if I hadn’t gotten frustrated and sped it back up. That’s a near 15 mph slowdown for zero reasons. 😡
Zero disengagements is one thing. Doing everything that I personally would expect of a human driver and therefore FSD I would give FSD a B+ for routing but a D for "Assertiveness". Meaning that FSD was NOT keeping up with traffic and Tesla removed the ability to easily scroll up or down the desired speed with the right thumb wheel. So I had to keep pressing on the accelerator for EVERY trip and there has not been more than a quarter mile that I've been able to get FSD to PROPERLY keep up at speed on back roads. Freeways are better but still I could give FSD a C to a C- on freeways. Again, while FSD didn't do anything that could or would cause people to disengage FSD, that does NOT mean that it is driving the way it should. - It does not keep up with cars in front of it. I EXPECT adaptive cruise control to stay within 3.5 seconds of the car in front of me. Zero exceptions and FSD failed on that miserably. - The only way to set a speed, which FSD does not follow, is to Engage FSD after precessing on the accelerator to get it back up to the speed that I told it to go in the first place. I am having to do this multiple times on backroads and on the freeway while ALSO pushing on the accelerator to get it to drive the speed that I want it to go. I've driven over 30 different cars and eight different brands. ALL of them that come with Adaptive Cruise control have NEVER failed to go the speed that I set as the max speed when there is no car in the way in front of me. They slow down when cars are in the way and then speed back up to the SET SPEED, each and every one of them EXCEPT for Tesla's FSD. This is ABSOLUTELY Unacceptable which is why I give FSD a D. I also have issues with FSD cornering AT SPEED. I'm not talking 20 MPH over the speed limit. I'm talking at the speed limit or 5 MPH over the speed limit. This happens Mostly on backroads where it will approach and corner and drop BELOW the speed that the warning sign says to go and then it struggles to stay within the lines. And that happens on the tighter corners where FSD shouldn't have to slow down because none of the HUMAN drivers are slowing down. That tells me the corner is More Than Safe to drive it at the speed limit or 5 mph over the speed limit and often times higher than that. If you are expecting an adapter cruise control that can stay at speed like a normal human driver as it goes around normal corners on back rods I have news for you. It WILL slow down when normal human drivers do not. It happens time after time after time where I have to push on the accelerator to keep up with traffic. That isn't a disengagement but it is NOT keeping up with traffic. Would you call that ready for prime time? I wouldn't. Tesla has a LOT of HIGHLY intelligent people programming FSD and yet they can't figure out how to calculate the radius of corners with computers that can do billions if not trillions of calculations per second. Either there is a problem with the hardware or there is a problem with the programmers. Take your pick because based on how fast computers are now days they should be able to calculate the radius of a curve and have the car follow that curve at speed. The ONE thing that FSD does properly, and to be clear, there is ONLY ONE THINGs that FSD does correct. 1) Maps the route How much would you pay for that?
In my 25 years of driving I've only had 1 true intervention. I got stuck in a ditch during an ice storm and had to call a tow truck to get me out of that situation. With Tesla we're excited for a 25 mile drive with zero interventions. We got a long way to go boys.
I think elon is using physics law "An object will remain at rest or in uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force." not silly man made laws. 😂😂😂 He is treating feedback as a recommendation.
It'd be so nice if Tesla were to prioritize software in some ways for early adopters. HW3 and all beta testers who provided excellent feedback and footage are chopped liver in exchange for $$$cybercab$$$. Any good piece of software should have an ADVANCED mode which gives more granular control. Speed control on FSD used to be so great, program the car to ALWAYS drive at speed, or OFFSET +10-15%, and if for whatever reason that didn't work you could FLICK the scroll wheel easily for -/+ 5 MPH.
_Why doesn't FSD go nose into a parking place?_ Several reasons. First, because pulling nose in is easy, while backing in is more difficult; so they automated the more difficult task and left the easy task to the driver. Second, because if you pull nose in, you have to back out into crossing traffic you can't see; and the vast majority of safety experts say this is far more dangerous than pulling out forward into traffic you *can* see. Third, because most Supercharge spots require you to back in.
Edited to say: My MYP has skipped v12.5.6.2 as can be seen in this clip ruclips.net/video/K3XgzUZxnfs/видео.htmlsi=TqWU-Ky3RQWKpK9r showing the FSD v12.5.6.3 (no typo) "Updated Speed Profiles to now apply to roads and highways with 50mph (80kph) or higher speed limit" feature as stated in the release notes. My guess is, FSD v12.5.6.2 didn't make the cut for wider release to non-early-access FSD customers, like myself.
Thanks for the videos, Chris! Doing a drive with no real challenges is just luck and not what a true self-driving system needs to handle. The Tesla FSD Tracker clearly shows that FSD still remains thousands of times too unreliable to ever be more than Level 2 and it is even also less reliable than it used to be. There has been zero data indicating any meaningful improvement in reliability.
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Sorry about that. Unfortunately I don't have any control over software releases. I was making videos about AP/FSD for 2+ years on the public software that everyone else had, and I guess Tesla decided to include me in early access because of that. Thanks for the comment, and hopefully you can find some other videos on RUclips you enjoy!
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You should try to make a speed limit sign that says 55 miles an hour and have somebody hold it on the side of the road to see if the car reads it. It would be an interesting test.
There a video on RUclips where someone already did this. They even held up numbers like 200 and did various other tests. Can’t remember the name of the video but it’s there
Make a 55 mph speed limit sign and place it sticking up on the right front corner of your hood. Always 55!
@JRTJunk The car would probably tell you "I can't drive 55".........
True.
@@Charlesbjtown Go on, write me up for 125 😩
Still on hw3 5.4.2... very slow updates now. Big problems and the new green light hesitation makes it a bit of a struggle :(
Pushing the pedal from a stop after engaging fsd is a check of intent. Not a bug.
Isn't the check of intent... Me engaging the system?
@@DirtyTeslaHmmm…is putting it in Drive intent to start moving forward? 🧐
Honestly, an argument could be made for both when it comes to FSD in my opinion.
@@DirtyTesla I kinda see it as…putting the car in Drive is a “mode setting”. Once I decide I’m ready to go, I want it to go forward.
Same with FSD. It’s “a mode”. When I’m ready to go, full self drive purdy please.
🤷♂️
@ once the system is more mature, it will be. But accidentally engaging it is more likely than engaging + small throttle pressing by accident.
@@stopstickers It depends on the location. At a stoplight engagement does not need any pedal touch
I would prefer fsd not move until I touch the gas. FSD does not know I'm ready just because I put my destination in. I think its perfect the way it is. love your vids.....been watching since 20k subscribers.
I guess, I just feel like I wouldn't turn on FSD until I'm ready for it to start driving. But I see what you're saying. Thanks for sticking around :)
You need to drive when the sun is low on the horizon in the early morning. and driving into the sun with a shady area ahead. I am getting a lot "take over immediately" warnings at certain intersections with this version on M3 2020 HW3. It looks like you are driving midday. which makes it easy to avoid this problem.
So do I. It's so annoying because I hate driving in the sun too😂
A robotaxi except in the sun. Or snow. Or mud.
Yes happens to me too when sun is shining into the cameras
@@davidkaplan5517 or heavy rain...
Chris, There has always been an option to set the max speed if the driver wanted to. In FSD V12 we have been given the option in settings to choose Manual or Auto set max speed.
I think the not moving from a dead stop (11:30 in the video) is similar to the reverse in smart summon. It can't see if anything is right in front of the car, so it doesn't want to go, and it can't reverse to check
It's so nice to see that these very needed changes are coming to the general public! Thank you for explaining how the profiles work. It's really neat to see it actually react to a profile change in real time and speed up or slow down. We're not a robotaxi yet, so having these controls in a specific context is super important. Like you mentioned, there are definitely roads where people speed 10-15 over and that is the norm, where if you don't do that you will be flipped off, tailgated, and who knows what else
Received 12.5.6.3 and it’s buttery smooth. Took care of my ridiculous speeding in school zones too.
Agree 100% with everything you said about speed control. Tesla has to realize that they are encouraging constant human input (foot on accelerator) when the car goes too slow which I'm sure they do not want. Also, I too have noted some REALLY hard stops with 12.5.6.1 (don't have .2 yet). I think I saw they were working on smoother stops so I bet we are getting close to them fixing both of these issues!
Your drives experiences are exactly the same as mine. The thing that bugs me the most is the deteriorating speed. Especially when you have someone behind you. On those roads I just put my foot on the accelerator and keep it there. The wrong speed limits, not slowing down or speeding up when the speed limit charges. Are just about my only interventions. Like you said, if we went back to v11 speed control, I would have so many 0 intervention drives. We are so close but yet it feel very fast away still. I know they want to control the speed to keep with the flow of traffic, but it doesn't do that either. When you go from a 35mph speed limit, to a 55mph speed limit. The cars in front are accelerating, the cats behind you are riding your tail and the car shows the speed change, but nothing, no acceleration at all. I get so frustrated, I have been leaving some no so nice voice massages. No foul language, just showing my frustrating. Thanks for the video, I'm just glad we have a youtuber that has these issues and is our voice
I saw all these issues coming from a million miles away. When Openpilot, an open-source driver assistance system came out with end-to-end longitudinal 3 years ago, it wrecked havoc on the speed control. Now Tesla does the same thing, and you’d never guess what happened. Your statement about combining the V12 lateral controls and V11 longitudinal controls are pretty much spot on from what I was thinking.
They say all user control is error, but what if what I’m looking for is a *really good* driver assistance system? Until I’m sitting in the back seat I don’t think this is the way forward.
What phone holder do you use? Do you like it?
You mentioned that on one road where the speed limit is 50, and FSD was going ~55, and people were passing you. Does that bother you when someome passes you, even when you are already going over the speed limit?
agreed! this whole speed thing is weird! If the speed limit is 50mph then do 50mph! if others around you want to speed then let them! we need FSD to stick to the speed limits not go over them!There is a reason speed limits exist!
@@kc-me6wlthen there will be people complaining that "FSD is too slow and will never work for me"
Then some case when it goes over speed limit in 15mph zone "FSD is way too fast and unsafe"
Cannot please people
No, they can pass, doesn't really effect me.
County/City Road Departments could help computer controlled driving with better/more signage and painted stop line locations on the roads.
I'm guessing Tesla is working behind the scenes on FSD for cars without any controls which adversely affects our experience. We are the non-paid beta testers, this is why anyone who purchases FSD should get free transfers to a final release hardware/software combo when it is finally stable.
I did FSD in the snow last night here in Colorado. It did ok but I still cautious because well you know snow ❄️
Good job Chris !
Have a great weekend
Very nice videos. My gripe with FSD is it hesitates still and it makes bad decisions for toll booths and it gets lost with complex merges still. It’s gotten better but 60%
Good video. In my CT, most bad behavior occurs on rural roads. Hopefully we see these updates on CT soon.
Same. My 3 and Y handle most rural roads fine now but the CT loves to cross the lines quite a bit
Do you think Unsupervised will be ready by early next year? or delayed once again?
I’m HW3 2020 MYP with 5.4.2. I must still disengage 3/10. It does some goofy moves mostly at lights and ASS had not worked in my underground parking. It thinks I’m outside.
Make Speed Profile Great Again!
What phone mount are you using? Does it have built in MagSafe?
I have a similar one that has wireless charging, and they do often come with MagSafe. It works great, but make sure to read reviews before you purchase as some of them have REALLY weak magnets and makes your phone fall off of it constantly.
Thanks for sharing. Interested to see how FSD will perform in snow&ice conditions. Waymo doesn't have that weather in any of the supported regions, right?
Waymo might deal with ice in phoenix this year when it starts rolling out, but they are definitely dealing with rain and fog in San Francisco lol
I can't speak to snow and ice, but I do live in Florida where when it rains, it pours. In most cases it handles it just fine, but it sometimes it does have a hard time detecting lane lines through turns, especially when the road is even slightly reflecting sunlight. Here in Florida, it is also a requirement to have your headlights on when it rains, and that can cause some issues as well with reflections. However, the car never does anything super sketchy or things that would make me need to take over.
I haven't had any hesitation. Quite the opposite, FSD took a right yield and nearly floored it. I was going 10 over then it was slamming on the brakes going 10 under. Also, it has turned on the street before the correct one and misses exits on the highway. I did find that the left turn while yielding to oncoming traffic was really good.
Your computer shows that it is a 45 mph speed limit on that stretch of road, not 55. That's why it slowed down.
The car is working perfectly, with the exception that the map data and speeds are incorrect for what the real
speed limit is.
Wondering if anyone could answer this for me. After this newest update on my Model X, it made a maneuver that I always make and disengage for when arriving at my house to back up into my driveway. 1 time only, the very first time after the update, the car actually went on the wrong side of the road to make a sort of ? Maneuver and positioned itself to be ready to back into my driveway in the exact same manner as I do every day. But it only did it that one time, now it just pulls straight in. Prepping for FSD to go in reverse?
Hey bud, random question have you encountered any instances with it sticking out too far? I know the old creep behavior made a lot of people feel like the car took way too long to complete a turn, but now it almost feels like it jumps out too early, sees a car then stops, sticking out a bit into the road. 3 instances this past week for me in 10 miles.
I really liked the POV left and right check before crossing the road
A lot of these concerns are supposed to be alleviated in V13.
That’s what was said about v12.4.
@dialy1 an early variant of V13 is what the CyberCabs were using at the event. It's more likely it will solve those problems than not.
@@clevern3rd102I hope so.
I got the new update yesterday and it stopped at a green light at a 4-way intersection on the first drive out.
Based on the limitations you mentioned around the 15min mark. Where would you say the true price of FSD should be valued at in it's current state? My guess is $2500 since transfers are strictly at Tesla's mercy and the software still requires quite a bit of intervention. I can buy a fairly similar (roughly 90% of functionality) Comma 3X for $1150 + harness and get a comparable experience with the ability to sell the device whenever or transfer it to another vehicle.
My two cents - I think the speed profiles aren't actually taking the speed limit signs in mind. It's factoring more the smoothness or abruptness of movement (acceleration, braking, steering, etc.). When in Chill - it'll do little to (hopefully) no lane changes unless it has to, Standard - a few here and there, Hurry then "The Transporter" style.
Will you do a highway comparison between hurry and standard in regard to lane changes, like you did with mad max back in the day? ;)
Probably once I get it on my Cybertruck yes
@DirtyTesla nice! 😁
Great video. I agree with you 100% of what you experience in this video, i experience the same frustrations with the speed control .hopefully they fix jack rabbit starts and hard breaking when common to traffic lights and stop signs. My latest update has tried to run through four red lights.. it was just clearly not going to stop so so I had to intervene
how do you do a autopilot snapshot like you did at 7:55
Why not just fix the speed issues with OSM? I had to in my area because it was mapped as a 25 instead of a 65. It won't show immediately, but will be pulled in the next map update.
What is OSM?
@@flyboypat Open Street Map
Why are there two stop lines in that intersection?
Looks like one is for the so sign and 1 for the railroad crossing just past the stop sign
12.5.6.2 I just got on my car as well 2024 model 3.
I absolutely love it, I’m definitely going to start creating content around it as well.
You still owe us the parking garage test with the Cybertruck ;D
Meaning the place where old FSD always tried to ram the car straight into a concrete wall instead of turning right. ;)
😂😂😂 good idea I will do that.
Waiting..... Profiles will help me a great deal as I drive a lot on a divided highway and the goofy handling of speed dissuades me from using FSD much.
Is the map data wrong it was showing a speed limit of 45.
I am on 12.5.4.1 and not thrilled with the regressions. Trouble with merges and phantom braking at night. I can’t wait for an update.
On 12.5.4, my car tries to kill me at my neighborhood entrance. It starts the left turn, then aims straight at a giant boulder on the curb, and accelerates. I have to grab the wheel and yank it left every time to avoid dying. (I assume it would break before crashing, but it can't do the turn.) 12.3.6 never had that problem, so I'm sure it can be fixed eventually. Hoping for an update soon.
Glad it’s not me. It is frustrating when the speed limit is 45 but only goes 36 etc. I disengage. And the car doesn’t drive like I do it always puts me in slow lane. Gets annoying
Maybe the reason for delayed release to all is the speed limit issue you’re clearly pointing out. As for FSD not moving when starting a destination or a route, I would prefer as is i.e. I push the gas when I’m ready to go.
Can you go in the cybertruck for autopilot
I have a few Cybertruck FSD videos posted. I can do more for ya if you want
@ yes please
Maybe the reason for delayed release to all is the speed limit issue you’re clearly pointing out.
The below the speed limit V12.5.4 i have makes FSD unusable. Reminds me of V11 when the wipers were constantly on and I couldn't use it.
I'm on 12.5.4.1 and this is why I turned off the Auto max speed setting, I just set the offset to 15% of the speed limit and then control it myself.
@ProXcaliber even with auto off my car will not get close to my max speed set.
@@wreckinball11 That’s weird, are you on AI3 or AI4? I’m on AI4 on my refreshed Model 3 and it seems to work fine for me.
@ProXcaliber 2019 HW3
@@wreckinball11 Ah, that could be the issue then. I’ve heard that the AI3 cars have a lot more issues with FSD now. Kind of sucks to be honest, and it has me worried about how long AI4 will be supported.
I use 12.5.4.1 but don’t bother with Auto Speed. On a 50 mile drive on Interstates, I intrevene at least a few times. Often, it’s just courtesy issues, allowing others to merge, choosing a different exit than recommended. Sometimes the passing, and yielding to passing vehicles isn’t quick enough.
12.6.3 just came out. I will wait for your excellent video of that instead.
Maybe try locking the vehicle, then engaging FSD. This may be some intentional checks before it can get going.
For me on 12.5.4.1, the car does correctly slowdown when getting in a lower speed limit. That's been fixed as far as I know.
I’m on 12.5.6.1 and tbh its getting so scary good honestly but what’s happening is because im using it so much im running into a few disengagements and errors but overall yea scary good this version
I have a 2024 model Y I am still on 12.5.4.1, why? Is there something wrong with my model Y? I'm in Los Angeles
Nice video again, waiting for Australia 😅
Why is so much confusion with speed in US. In Australia you have to stick to speed limit, even 3 km/hr above limit you get a fine. 😢 Under speed limit is not too finable but people may not like it.
We're far looser with speed limits here in the US, but not everywhere.
Very good, but strange that it seems to want permission to increase speed.
Chris, You could have tapped one of the High lighted parking spaces and it would have auto parked for you even though you technically disengage FSD.
My biggest issue currently with FSD is how it tries to avoid objects on the road. The other day it tried to avoid a dead squirrel but just ran it over instead.
For me it’s trying to avoid water small spots on the road after rain on right lane
@ yeah the way it avoids things is definitely not trained by humans lol. If we avoid something we do it smoothly. Not jerk the wheel and wet the pants of passengers
Mine did brake for a squirrel running across the street. ❤
To be fair, I’ve watched drivers try to avoid stuff in the road too, and just run it right over in the attempt😅 but I do agree it should straight to eventually do better than humans, but I don’t fault it for that action when it does something that a human might do. I just write it off as a learning experience.
I am glad I have this already since we were told we were going to get it early this last week....but oh wait they didn't do that.
Looks like just a mapping issue and the car gets told by the navigation that it is in a 45 mph zone. Also explains why the speed control is not there
Speeds are one of my major complaints, there has been improvement but there’s away to go. In California, the highway maintenance (calTrans) often will leave their orange construction signs up long after the work has been completed, this results in the car braking suddenly to 55 - big annoyance. I also frequently get the “FSD degraded” message, mostly , as far as I can tell, due to the sun hitting the cameras at a certain angle, I can’t imagine how the cameras would handle really bad weather in other states.
it has to mimic 11.4.9 when it goes zooming into a small town from 55 as soon as it sees the 35 sign it would immediately decel down to say 4 over, upvoted!!
In the 45 zone, if you set the max speed to 55 and take the car at this speed, it tends to stick to it.
For me, it will hold that speed for maybe 30 seconds before it begins to slow again :l
i’ve got .3 and three times today fsd in my 2024 model y actually crossed the center line while driving 35 mph, the third time with an oncoming car. First time I’ve ever seen that in any prior release (had fsd since 2020)
I’m a fan of fsd, but this latest weirdness freaked me out. still using it but definitely not super comfortable with this latest release.
Weird. Cybertruck does that for me but not the Y
How is the car supposed know the unmarked roads are 55?
Same way I do 😄
@@DirtyTesla You mean have each state's unique rules and borders stored in memory and somehow updated?
@@gordonstewart5774 They already have tons of nav data, just look at the map for example. There's no excuse for not knowing unposted speed limit rules. Near where I live I pulled off a 25 zone onto a rural hwy which (unless posted otherwise) is 55 in my state. FSD took me 30 miles on a 55 thinking it was a 25. Ridiculous.
version 11 speed control 👍
Other things that it used to do, and I can’t tell you which version because I’ve been driving a Tesla and paid for the extra self driving feature starting in 2012, is that it used to pull into my garage. You could also reliably tuck it into a tight space or pull it out of a tight space remotely And I don’t know if the dumb summon is smart enough to avoid obstacles? Additionally, it still does not turn into my driveway, and it should. It doesn’t even do that when I turn on the turn signal in front of my house as we approach my driveway. It should know where it left from and it should be able to go back to the exact same spot in the garage without intervention. It used to be able to do stuff like that or at least much closer to that than it does now, and I can guarantee you that was more than five years ago.
I think this is a transition from USS to Vision for the curbs and obstacles near the car. My car is newer and doesn't have USS, so I can't say from experience.
I just realized that according to the picture from the map, RVs are semi trucks so instead of RV parks there’s semi truck parks😅
I hate that they removed minimal lane changes. I just want to go 10 over the speed limit in the middle lane and let it slow down when there’s a slower car in front of me, but now it wants to change lanes a lot. On chill mode it wants to hang in the rightmost lane. I’m switching back to AP on highways
I know that outside of the US that regulation restricts FSD (thx UNECE),but I do have the same complaint about the car stopping a bit too hard even tho you can see a stopped car in the distance/red light. I hope that if they fix it in the US they can put that fix in other cars too.
I imagine that because of those restrictions outside the US versions of FSD, that those versions of FSD are either relatively old in comparison or have a lot more limitations.
@ that is possible. If those restrictions weren’t in place I would have gone for FSD. Sadly the UNECE is implementing changes very slowly.
I'd never want it to speed on city streets. Divided highways sometimes you could get away with it a little but entirely depends on the fixed and average speed cameras.
18:00 in OSM this is fixed for four years, so looks like Tesla is using very outdated maps there. But I used the opportunity to add the missing stop signs. :)
Reasonable complaints about the speed thing. There's no excuse. It used to work better. If I speed up to make the green light... and then want to slow back down. How? Sometimes the scroll wheel does something, sometimes not. Usually I just turn off FSD for a second, but if there's anything else going on the system freaks out,
… most of the gas pedal tapping that you have to do - I think it’s SUPPOSED to work this way. Yes, it was different before. I think that for both of these cases, once everybody knows how to use it, this way is actually better, safer. 😮
Personally, when im on FSD and the car goes too slow for me, i just tell myself, what if all the cars were on FSD and the other people behind me were not other drivers, but other self-driving cars, would the speed be suitable, and the answer is often yes. Its not that it too slow, its that its too slow for other impatient drivers behind you.
My hope is that they're working toward implementing the speed profiles on all roads before wide release. Using y'all as beta testers to expend it gradually.
One thing we always omit or fail to recognise is that some of the things FSD struggle with, such as 8:10, is the fault of road design. Why on earth should somewhere with so much flat land end up with such a difficult to understand, non-standard intersection is beyond me.
I can activate 12.5.4 in my garage and it will pull out and up my rural driveway.
I'm still running on a 4 yr old version, it's horrible compared to this FSD version. I'm losing faith if we ever get this in the Netherlands. I paid a lot for it, but it doesn't work. That said, i experience often that the car doesn't pick up speed. Like somebody in front of me accelerates from 50 to 70, it stayes on 50. Very often. Only thing i can do is hit the accelerator short and it's like it weaks up from a sleeping mode and starts accelerating. Very anoing driving in automatic / FSD.
12.5.6 drives like a grandma. Even when you press the gas, it will start to slow down again. Kind of miss 12.3.4 where I could set the speed myself and it would stick to it. I don't understand why it so hard to program it, to always go 5 over the speed limit.
I managed to somewhat fix the issue on 12.5.4.1 with turning off the auto max speed, but I understand that isn't available anymore in newer versions. Kind of hope that they fix this issue before I get another update.
Speed profiles everywhere would help, but the accuracy of the speed limits desperately needs improvement. In the video the car thinks the speed limit is 45 mph in a 55 zone for a good long time. In my experience, inaccurate speed limits are way more frequent than with V11 FSD.
Speed control is much more difficult than lane keeping since the AI needs to understand context.
Tesla apparently intends to lease FSD to other manufacturers. Good news..I'll probably get FSD faster that way than on my HW3 Model Y.
On a clear day, on an empty 4 lane highway, I pushed car to 72 in a 65 … within 5 minutes it had slowed down 58 and might have kept slowing down if I hadn’t gotten frustrated and sped it back up. That’s a near 15 mph slowdown for zero reasons. 😡
Right, that is speed degradation that has been a problem for all of V12, but 12.5.6.x finally seems to fix that... it seems
Having a Tesla now is like supporting Bayers in the 1930s.
How so?
Zero disengagements is one thing. Doing everything that I personally would expect of a human driver and therefore FSD I would give FSD a B+ for routing but a D for "Assertiveness". Meaning that FSD was NOT keeping up with traffic and Tesla removed the ability to easily scroll up or down the desired speed with the right thumb wheel. So I had to keep pressing on the accelerator for EVERY trip and there has not been more than a quarter mile that I've been able to get FSD to PROPERLY keep up at speed on back roads. Freeways are better but still I could give FSD a C to a C- on freeways.
Again, while FSD didn't do anything that could or would cause people to disengage FSD, that does NOT mean that it is driving the way it should.
- It does not keep up with cars in front of it. I EXPECT adaptive cruise control to stay within 3.5 seconds of the car in front of me. Zero exceptions and FSD failed on that miserably.
- The only way to set a speed, which FSD does not follow, is to Engage FSD after precessing on the accelerator to get it back up to the speed that I told it to go in the first place. I am having to do this multiple times on backroads and on the freeway while ALSO pushing on the accelerator to get it to drive the speed that I want it to go. I've driven over 30 different cars and eight different brands. ALL of them that come with Adaptive Cruise control have NEVER failed to go the speed that I set as the max speed when there is no car in the way in front of me. They slow down when cars are in the way and then speed back up to the SET SPEED, each and every one of them EXCEPT for Tesla's FSD. This is ABSOLUTELY Unacceptable which is why I give FSD a D.
I also have issues with FSD cornering AT SPEED. I'm not talking 20 MPH over the speed limit. I'm talking at the speed limit or 5 MPH over the speed limit. This happens Mostly on backroads where it will approach and corner and drop BELOW the speed that the warning sign says to go and then it struggles to stay within the lines. And that happens on the tighter corners where FSD shouldn't have to slow down because none of the HUMAN drivers are slowing down. That tells me the corner is More Than Safe to drive it at the speed limit or 5 mph over the speed limit and often times higher than that.
If you are expecting an adapter cruise control that can stay at speed like a normal human driver as it goes around normal corners on back rods I have news for you. It WILL slow down when normal human drivers do not. It happens time after time after time where I have to push on the accelerator to keep up with traffic. That isn't a disengagement but it is NOT keeping up with traffic. Would you call that ready for prime time? I wouldn't.
Tesla has a LOT of HIGHLY intelligent people programming FSD and yet they can't figure out how to calculate the radius of corners with computers that can do billions if not trillions of calculations per second. Either there is a problem with the hardware or there is a problem with the programmers. Take your pick because based on how fast computers are now days they should be able to calculate the radius of a curve and have the car follow that curve at speed.
The ONE thing that FSD does properly, and to be clear, there is ONLY ONE THINGs that FSD does correct.
1) Maps the route
How much would you pay for that?
Influencer get zero disengagement. I’ll get at least 2 on my next drive.
In my 25 years of driving I've only had 1 true intervention. I got stuck in a ditch during an ice storm and had to call a tow truck to get me out of that situation. With Tesla we're excited for a 25 mile drive with zero interventions. We got a long way to go boys.
I think elon is using physics law "An object will remain at rest or in uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force." not silly man made laws. 😂😂😂
He is treating feedback as a recommendation.
It'd be so nice if Tesla were to prioritize software in some ways for early adopters. HW3 and all beta testers who provided excellent feedback and footage are chopped liver in exchange for $$$cybercab$$$. Any good piece of software should have an ADVANCED mode which gives more granular control. Speed control on FSD used to be so great, program the car to ALWAYS drive at speed, or OFFSET +10-15%, and if for whatever reason that didn't work you could FLICK the scroll wheel easily for -/+ 5 MPH.
Has the inappropriate acceleration from stops been addressed?. Why doesn't FSD go nose into a parking place? it's almost like it's missing something
_Why doesn't FSD go nose into a parking place?_
Several reasons. First, because pulling nose in is easy, while backing in is more difficult; so they automated the more difficult task and left the easy task to the driver. Second, because if you pull nose in, you have to back out into crossing traffic you can't see; and the vast majority of safety experts say this is far more dangerous than pulling out forward into traffic you *can* see. Third, because most Supercharge spots require you to back in.
Edited to say: My MYP has skipped v12.5.6.2 as can be seen in this clip ruclips.net/video/K3XgzUZxnfs/видео.htmlsi=TqWU-Ky3RQWKpK9r showing the FSD v12.5.6.3 (no typo) "Updated Speed Profiles to now apply to roads and highways with 50mph (80kph) or higher speed limit" feature as stated in the release notes. My guess is, FSD v12.5.6.2 didn't make the cut for wider release to non-early-access FSD customers, like myself.
Thanks for the videos, Chris! Doing a drive with no real challenges is just luck and not what a true self-driving system needs to handle. The Tesla FSD Tracker clearly shows that FSD still remains thousands of times too unreliable to ever be more than Level 2 and it is even also less reliable than it used to be. There has been zero data indicating any meaningful improvement in reliability.
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All nice but nothing for the millions of HW3 owners..
You are lost in jungles call 911😮
I've stopped watching this kind of FSD content because us normies won't get the new update until weeks or months later.
Sorry about that. Unfortunately I don't have any control over software releases. I was making videos about AP/FSD for 2+ years on the public software that everyone else had, and I guess Tesla decided to include me in early access because of that. Thanks for the comment, and hopefully you can find some other videos on RUclips you enjoy!
imagine us, in the rest of the world.
But he is the one to show bugs and point things out before it gets to you, as then tesla can fix these things before hand
Seems like a beta take…
Soo basically you’re salty ok
sick of granny mode.
I hope it’s good. 12.5.4.2 is trash