Ranking the Lies of P Bosses from Worst to Best
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
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2023 won't miss. Lies of P is another GoTY contender, and my favorite game in the Soulslike genre since Elden Ring itself. They've added a lot of minor tweaks to the formula that are refreshing with enough reverance for their inspiration. If you love Dark Souls, Bloodborne, or Elden Ring, you owe it to yourself to try Lies of P.
Today, we'll be ranking the Lies of P bosses from Worst to Best, including Laxasia the Complete, The Black Rabbit Brotherhood, King's Flame Fuoco, Scrapped Watchman, Champion Victor, Puppet-Devouring Green Monster, Nameless Puppet, The Puppet King, Parade Master, and many more!
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Ranking the Parade Master 4-5 spots ahead of Scrapped Watchman is my villain origin story
The devil entered him at that moment
Ranking the door guardian 9 spots ahead of Scrapped Watchman was even worse
@@pokimanefartcompilationScrapped Watchman fun as hell
@@danielfonville1840 Real af. I consider Scrapped Watchman to be the "git gud" boss of this game. He was the first real challenge for me that had me stuck for probably a couple hours.
He practically forced me to master the parry timings in this game and I'm glad for that.
Scrapped Watchman was such a fun fight and does a great job teaching you how to play the game. He definitely deserves a much higher placement.
Ranking the Door Guardian ahead of the Scrapped Watchman is like ranking Rom ahead of Father Gascoigne in Bloodborne
On the laxasia fight you are able to deflect her lighting bolts! They fly back at her doing hefty damage. Once I learned to time them, it made the fight significantly easier because I simply didn't have to do as much personal damage.
She's easily my favorite boss I think she deserved the top spot
@@valkyriesmilk6697 I agree! Every boss had an element of insurmountability at first, but when she hit me with a fury attack doing 75% of my late game health I sat up immediately 🤣 most satisfying to beat for sure
I waited for her to land and used the lvl 5 ark sword . Two minute or less fight
You've gotta be kidding... I was stuck on her for like 4+ hours, complaining like a baby about her flying away like that, but that's on me for not experimenting with it. At least this'll serve me well on repeat playthroughs.
@@Simon.0O for sure 🙂 I say significantly easier like she wasn't a wall I was also banging my head up against for a few hours, but once I learned it I started getting consistently much closer until I finally got her.
Calling Scrapped Watchmen bottom three hurts, is definitely one of the best fights in the game. All of his attacks have a very consistent cadence to them that make parrying them very easy after you've seen them once or twice. And while on the surface, his three slam combo with lightning is still an opening, just at the end of the combo. Just gotta parry followed by a dodge to the side for each hit and after the last dodge of lightning I was able to get a charge heavy in every time, not to mention this allows you to quickly build up that stagger
Yea that part was weird.
Facts. It's a great intro to learning how to perfect guard consistently.
@@sdotwallacethere are definitely way better fights, I wouldn't call Scrapped Watchman top tier, but he's far from bottom 3.
@@sdotwallace While considering him high up on the list might be odd, saying the scrapped watchmen is actively bad is definitely odd. SW definitely isn't a bad fight, he ranks highly for me because I like the moveset, music, and story behind him.
No offense to DeModcracy, but his reasons for why it ranked so low seem to stem from a misunderstanding of the boss fight
It’s his opinion. I guess he is not 70% Ongbal. You need to be 80% Ongbal to appreciate Scrapped Watchman. I did a clean No hit on him which was fun to learn.
I found Scrapped Watchman's tells to be quite reasonable! Sure it's slow, but it's quite clear when they've finished winding up and has begun the actual attack
yeah I could parry them by reaction, but reacting to the slam instead of the windup
@@penguinvader7057same for me too. The game got easier when you realize most attacks are reactable and failing a parry is not a big deal, but getting hit after is.
I personally struggled much more with Parade Master compared to Watchman.
I absolutely love almost his whole moveset. Everything except for his super fast double swipe feels fantastic to dodge once you learn his moveset.
But it's easier to make a video if you complain about the easy to parry second boss
The King of Puppets Fight was my personal favorite
The story, the cutscene, the design, the music, the elegant animations, and the duality of fighting a powerful brute vs. a ruthless assassin is all so perfect.
It meets all the expectations of a mechanical fairy tale.
Not to mention, Romeo was a character in the original telling of Pinocchio. His role was to warn Pinocchio of the dangers trusting strangers. In lies of P he warns P about Geppetto’s intentions. A good callback to the original story.
i fking hate romeo. I like the lore but omfg he was my weakness.
I'm still stuck on him, been 6 hours. I am a soulsborne/ sekiro veteran and I am struggling tf out.
@@dirtyscumbagdotcomduring romeo dodging to the left basically makes him a joke. I cant really help you when he does his spam move though i just got lucky and outran it 😂
I just hate the first phase. Especially after he goes under half health and then just spams attacks that hit you away even if you perfect block them and loads of attacks with really weird timings and few opportunities to get in and do damage needlessly dragging on the fight and burning through your resources. Second phase is awesome tho. Was the second hardest boss in the game for me because I was always at 1 or 0 pulse cells once I reached the second phase
Tbh, I killed him 2nd try a little too fast for me to like him more than scrapped watchman but he's was a pretty good fight.
For the brotherhood fight, you can perfect parry the eldest's sword to break it and it cuts his damage down by a lot. Yes you still have to be good at parrying but you can enter the fight and only parry him and the others shouldn't spawn
That's a good strategy. I'd need reps to get good at his timings enough to deflect that consistently, but I bet it's a huge help
@@theDeModcracy Am i wrong assuming that you entered this game with a "i'm playing DS" mentality and broke through every wall with that mentality not wanting to learn perfect guard? I mean we can all agree that perfect guard isn't the most perfect mechanic since windows can definitly be optimized more and the payoff isn't always the best(posture dmg) , but by this tier list to me It looked like you rated It from a dark soul point of view. Again this is all assumption please correct me if i'm wrong
The fact that you gotta spend a minute and a half parrying this dude to get a chance in the rest of the fight is stupid. If it was just a 1 on 1 brawl with him it would be a great fight, and *still be difficult*. It's asking too much from the player, honestly.
was about to comment this, after his weapon is broken he deals a lot less damage. he can still f u up though
It's pretty obvious the game is centered around guarding, if someone is saying dodging is better than guarding in this game, they don't understand the basic mechanics.
Nameless puppet was the best and hardest fight for me. Took me 3 and a half hours to overcome it, gave me the satisfaction I felt when I first managed to beat orphan of kos.
For me it was Laxasia: i needed to perfect parry every shit she throwned at me
for me it was Simon because of the overload of magic+physical attacks at the same time, I think it was kind of unfair, but Laxasia for me was the hardest while being fair and I enjoyed it a lot toghether with nameless
@@sdotwallace I thought it was one of the worst ones as well and very RNGy but I think it was ultimately manageable if you made it to the second phase with at least 8 or 9 flasks and blocked a lot
Nameless definitely was the toughest boss for me. Died about 20x before finally nailing enough deflections on top of using the aegis legion arm to shield myself with damage and attack at the same time..
After laxasia the other right were way easier to me, especially simon
You forgot an important detail about Laxasia that makes the fight a lot easier. When she’s in the air, throwing lightning at you, you can perfect block them which causes them to shoot right back at her, dealing massive damage.
he didn't forge he just didn't know xD
Plus for all of these fights you can use the grindstone to give your weapon an elemental effect, making you deal a ton more damage. Humans are weak to acid, puppets weak to shock and carcasses weak to fire. I don't know why DeMod wasn't using them since you can use it every time you rest.
Plenty of tanky first phases absolutely melt with elemental damage.
My go to is this. She uses that volley of like 6 lightning attacks followed by a fury attack about twice. Equip the perfect grindstone. It allows you to perfect block anything. Make sure it’s upgraded to have two of those, one for each of those lightning attacks. Throw 2 throwables at the beginning. Wait a second for her to get in the air. Throw like three more then pop the grindstone and block. By the time she’s on the ground on top of you, half her health is gone
honestly i thought the brotherhood fight fixed a lot of problems with gank fights, you have a lot more control over the fight than usual gank bosses as ad spawns are hp based and elder brother becomes very passive when another one joins the fight unless you go near him. even on the 2nd fight, only one of them will be aggressive to you while others sit around throwing out projectiles and you can even kill last 2 at the same time so you can fight elder 1 vs 1 at spawn.
The other members of the brotherhood also become really passive of you manage to spawn more than one. I accidentally had the sister and Buckethead spawn at the same time and the sister practically always kept her distance until buckethead was dealt with.
They other enemies become very passive. No, it doesnt work the way the way they wanted to be (it almost looks like they are letting you win) & i fully agree with DeModcracy's claims. Maybe if they taunted you while they were passive & when the Eldest steps it would throw insults- that might be better- ie the passive enemies is not just a gameplay mechanic.
While Lies of P is really good, it somewhat falls into the trap of busywork. And it not that good thing that a lot of the bosses fall into that category.
Now that the market is starting to get really saturated, this made me really thing of which Soulslike i would recommend to other players (new or experienced).
Lies of P greatest strength is the setting, but to tell the truth i would always recommend the Fromsoft games (they are the most polished) & most likely the Surge series/Code Vein. Because in the end its also about the fun as well.
@@GeoGyf
The Surge is decent (short of "good") but the final boss and ending absolutely suck and ruined the overall experience for me.
Code Vein, though, is pretty good and has some references/ties to God Eater.
Why even do these gank fights. Even when they are made more fair or are more "fixed" they aren't fun. They just feel like homework
I thought the Scrapped Watchmen had really solid tells on his attacks for parrying. After a few attempts I could consistently perfect guard the majority of his moves. Helps that he has full animations on his windups instead of just freezing for a few seconds.
Bit of correction: Neowiz is also responsible for publishing a lot of really good indie titles such as Skul and their main claim to fame is the rhythm series DJMax.
he was talking about developers (round 8 studio) not publisher
@@Soullessrun it was jointly developed.
It was my assumption that Neowiz was the publisher and Round 8 Studios was the developer. I didn't realize Neowiz was as a developer as well. Big credit to them if so!
@@theDeModcracy
The DJMax thing is actually alluded to by some songs.
Feel, for example, used to be a techno song in DJMax, and then it becomes the first record you can use.
Whoa those both sound gay as shit. Thanks for sharing that gay little fact
“Ok, just remember Jacob, it’s just his opinion.”
(Puts Black Rabbit Brotherhood at last)
“Aaaaaand he’s wrong.”
I personally thought the Scrapped Watchmen was a rare example of actual reaction based combat (as opposed to memory) in this game. Sure he has lots of delays, but there’s always a reasonable animation to react to when he actually swings down at you. It was also a two phase fight done right, second phase is a nice step up from phase one but you still use the knowledge you’ve already gained. I loved it personally, I’d probably rank it the 3rd best in the game
I am baffled how this man beat the game with how rarely he parries in this footage
I mean how can you parry when attacks have no wind up or tell and are ridiculously delayed. It's better just to dodge.
@@marlyakoby4790 “Tell me you haven’t played lies of p without telling me you haven’t played lies of p”
The game should be beatable without perfect parries
@@meris8486 Why? Also, I believe it is. But still, would you say the same about Sekiro? Yknow, the game that inspired it?
@@pillager2327 Parries were one of the most major mechanics in Sekiro, dodging and other methods of damage mitigation sucked so the player was made to rely on them. Whereas with P I thought the designers were going for a middle ground where guarding is reasonable, dodges are good and Parries are still risk-reward but not as high as Dark Souls.
First black rabbit brother hood fight was one of my favorites in the whole game. The very solid eldest brother moveset along with how he is very passive when a sibling is on the field, giving you time to 1v1 and with the fact that you can just block normally since their damage output is so low more being an annoyance at times, but that options puts you under durability threat. Then the choice on the final sibling to either continue trying to 1v1 or just all in the eldest brother to end the fight. Idk I think it’s a “gank” fight done extremely well
I agree, easily one of my favorite fights, super challenging but also very fair
Yup the first one was my favorite gank fight of all but the second one is a pain in the ass.
did you know with laxiavia the complete phase 2 you can deflect the lighting bolt back at her
If you use the “perfect guard” grinder and the just hold block, you can get a NICE chunk of damage by deflecting the bolts🥳👍🏻
@@krisisgod666you just made me understand something I was confused about for so long, I saw some ongbal videos of him just holding block agaisnt some bosses and deflecting the attacks and I was so confused about how. I completely forgot that that grinder exists lmao
Yo that's sick. I'm just reached the first area again in my second playthrough using Motivity weapons. I'm definitely trying that with the perfect guard grinder.
@@theDeModcracy extremely happy to help man👍🏻 Your vids are awesome. That grinder is the only way I beat ms perfect thunder😅
I just bet her before and I thought I wasn’t seeing it right but yeah you can perfect deflect it back to her it turns orange as it’s returning I think
Romeo is not only the best boss in the gameplay and mechanics, but through a lore perspective too. It reminds me of Gherman's fight - a sad battle not through intruding on territory or a blockade in the mc's progress, but one through the inability for a friend to communicate through a puppet's mind. You, the manifestation of Carlo as a puppet, were once Romeo's friend. You grew up together. So Romeo's final words hit so much harder "Maybe this is what real freedom feels like. thanks, carlo... " - this is such a romantic, but desperate battle.
How are you gonna say Laxasia's fighting of the stagger unprecedented, when 1) her phase 1 also does it, and 2) Victor is the literal first boss to do that.
I did feel like the one in phase 2 was weirdly untelegraphed tho
Because its a whole combo AND has an explosion sucker punch that does alot of damage.
Victor and most other bosses who resist the stagger only flail once or twice. And don't do as much damage. It feels super cheap and no other Souslike game punishes you for doing what you're supposed to do quite like this.
The thing is going for mostly dodging is just the wrong and harder way of playing the game. I started to learn the attacks of the boss early on and always tried to perfect block as often as possible. Whats also important is the use of Heavy attacks. Reflect and slap in that charged heavy afterwards breaks the bosses stance multiple times during a boss fight and it really shows that breaking a bosses posture is the way to play the game. Other than the Rabbit Brotherhood I never felt like a boss was too hard, just a lot of attack learning.
You stole the words right out of my mouth. Not that there’s exactly a “wrong” way to play the game but the game definitely emphasizes blocking and parrying over dodging. I found my self going for blocks and parrys on probably 95% of the attacks in this game.
I've seen this way too many times now. You can deflect Laxasia's lightning projectiles back at her Ganon style and do big damage.
U are a hero
You can also break the shield on her back in phase 1 which nerfs her phase 2
You can do this pretty consistently by rolling up left vs her leap strike opener and doing a charge r2
There's also a Grindstone that you can get that will block any oncoming attack for a short time and be counted as a perfect parry/guard. Apply this at the very start of the second phase, and you can reflect about 3K damage to her on the spot without risking getting hit. The only issue I have with this Grindstone is that it barely lasts. You keep it for maybe ten seconds, which would be fine if that is the case for the other elemental buffs, but it's not.
I understand it's likely for balancing reasons, as these fights tend to only last for two or three minutes on average (if even that as some builds can just nuke enemy health bars.) But if that's the case... why even add the Grindstone? Especially if it's going to last less time than the others? Regardless, she was a fun fight; I didn't even mind that she was a two-phase fight. However, I feel the devs relied too much on the latter half of the game's main bosses having two phases. But that's another debate altogether.
@@Joe_SillyI broke her shield every phase 1, but she still blocked damage with it second phase. Is it just less effective when broken?
25:50 I actually learned this after finishing my fight with her and would have saved so much trouble - you have to deflect all those lightning bolts that she shoots at you. Not only the get reflected back to her and deal substantial damage, the moment the last bolt hits her is when she would launch her fury attack at you. And here I was rapidly dodging all those bolts then straining my eyes on my screen to notice a flicker in her animation and then deflect
The goat returned when the world needed him the most
The "birthing himself out of his shoulder blob and then touching tips with divinity" line had me rolling 😂
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There is no shot you ranked the *puppet of the future* better than the watchman or Fuoco
Been wanting someone to do a boss ranking of this and knew you would follow through - but wasn’t expecting it this early haha. If you are planning any other videos on Lies of P, I’d love to see them. It’s easily becoming my favorite souls-like
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I always thought that the Nameless Puppet was implied to be the remains of Gepettos son Carlos or his first attempt to reincarnate his deceased son.
Specifically, he calls the nameless puppet his son. The lore mentions that the nameless puppet was the first puppet to have a p-organ (but its destructive properties made him an unfit vessel for carlos, as well he refers to the p-organ as carlos heart, so its possible the nameless kings heart was also meant to be the same), not to mention his organic skin. Its like you have to kill yourself to become human and i love that.
Thought so too. Reminded me of how Arlecchino says that it would be interesting to make a puppet out of a human which is pretty much what the Nameless Puppet is. Neat piece of foreshadowing.
Very confused by your thoughts on Scrapped Watchman - not only are his deflects probably the easiest to read out of most bosses in the game, it was the boss that taught me how important perfect guards are. As for the delayed attacks, is it that hard to just read an animation? I didn’t understand this complaint about Elden Ring either honestly. Most of these delays offer some kind of tell the split second before an attack lands - your cue to guard. A genuinely great early game boss that teaches the player well, absolutely baffling ranking.
I think the problem is that sometimes with the camera of the game, it's hard to read the animation cause the boss's limb is out of view. This can be the case with the scrapped watchman if you are too close and locked on.
Well the problem with delayed attacks is that sometimes after the delay they come out too fast to reasonably react to, meaning you just have to KNOW when they are coming out. With the watchmen this isn’t a problem because his animations aren’t really like this, the swinging arms in the air attack before slamming down is very easy to read and deflect and same with his other attacks. There are bosses that genuinely do have this issue, but you are right when you say watchman isn’t one of them lol
it seems like you went into the game with the approach of dodging everything and then Watchman tought you that parries can be worth it sometime - I guess that the boss may work in this role. However, Demod (and me) started the game with the opposite approach, trying to parry every single attack like in Sekiro. If you'll try it here, you're gonna have a very, very bad time.
It feels like the game did well in communicating to the players "you should try parrying in addition to dodging", but they never really communicated "you should also try dodging sometimes" to sekiro-style players - from all the tutorials, I got the impression that parrying is a superior defensive option in every situation, which is just not true
My problem with the Watchman is his second phase. I can even forgive the big guy for having his overheads out of frame and having to guess when it lands lol. But the deflect into ground electric puddles having you dodge ontop of that really made it hard to capitalize on small windows of opportunity he gives between combos. Really made the fight drag on and made me not want to bother even deflecting him at all.
@@TionsofCoffee2 well deflecting and then dodging still allows you to get a counter attack off before his next attacks and builds his stagger meter faster.
As someone who spent 60+ hours to complete the game on a full Technique build I can say perfect parrying is insanely hard, but infinitely rewarding when you get the timing. It literally feels like Sekiro when you get the timing as you can just dismantle bosses. I personally loved this way of playing as it constantly employed a high risk, high reward playstyle. I think Victor was easily my least favorite boss. I just did not find his wind ups and aggression that fun to fight. Laxasia on the other hand was absolutely phenomenal. That second phase introduction was some of the cooling shit Lies of P had to offer, even overshadowing the final boss. Id definitely put her at number 2 as she demands all of your skill and knowledge up to that point in the game. That being said, King of Puppets is definitely a good number 1 and fight that taught me the importance of perfect parrying AND dodging in the right moments.
I was just wondering if you'd cover this one yesterday. Wish granted.
Still hoping for a Blasphemous II video, though. It's a much different game with how it handles multiple weapons and skill trees, but still some amazing spectacle.
Same I hope you covered Blasphemous too
Look again 👀
Not sure if someone mentioned this about the 2nd phase of the Laxasia the complete - you can perfect block the lighting bolts and P will deflect them back at her. This will not only inflict damage but also builds up groggy as well. Great video!
Personally i loved the eldest of the balck rabbit brotherhood fight. The eldest is super hard but it's very satisfying getting the hang of him
Sad to see the Swamp Monster so low on the list. That was my favorite fight in the game. He is insanely hard, but I thought all of his attacks and timings were pretty reasonable to learn and there are lots of opportunities to punish him. I felt like a god when I finally beat him, perfect parrying every single attack and barely taking any damage. The visual design is A+ too. I already thought the Scrapped Watchman was super creepy, but fighting him as he's infested by this weird Bloodborne tentacle monster made it even cooler.
I agree, I feel people give the swamp monster too much shit. Only thing I'd complain about is the attack when it burries underground and comes back up, never figured out how to consistently avoid that
@@velvetnimbus1053You just see him coming to you and roll at the last second. I never got hit by that after I saw that.
@@velvetnimbus1053 yeah the swamp monster was my favourite boss too. Me being used to monster hunters diablos burrowing attacks it actually ended up working exactly like his from the older games with a similar dodge timing and all. I also really liked the first black rabbit fight and thought it was completely fair and enjoyed all of their love sets. The second one was much much less fair due to how irregular and fast the ranged attacks on the smaller siblings could be when not being the main aggro.
I hated the Swamp Monster, those tentacle attacks come out so fast and inflict full decay outside of certain set ups. If he starts his unblockable charge while you're next to him you HAVE to perfect parry else take free damage. His overhead unblockable has the same thing but at least you can dodge through his legs though it feels weird with the lockon.
His second phase is what I truly hate though, all that flailing about with weird timings, but mainly it's his charge moves, if you are against a wall you can't see what the hell is going on, it's like dying in a combine harvester, then there's his overly length combos that give the player little chance to react. Yeah, hate.
disagree@@meris8486
I’ve noticed for these sort of decent budget soulslikes the perfect number of bosses is between 17 and 25
Been waiting for you to make a lies of p video and you did not disappoint! Can’t wait for the next one. This game is incredible
Can i just say that Demod is making some excellent choices in the background music for these last couple videos. Keep up the great work! 👍
Just finished the game yesterday and gotta say its my favorite Souls like by a good chunk! I did a full motivity build focusing on blocking and charged attacks, and I'm surprised at how different we found some of the fights. I found Victor fairly forgettable and Door Guardian just frustrating, but I found Fuoco hard and engaging and Laxasia pretty frail.
I like the tier list and appreciate the rep of this game! I think its getting way undersold by a lot of people and hope to see more people picking it up.
Second brother fight, that pillar/coffin was invaluable. That, coupled with any weapon whose R2 has great range (such as the Puppet King weapon) made the fight pretty dang easy. Was nice getting my revenge for all the times NPCs hit me through terrain, doing it to them in turn. First one was pretty brutal! Good video.
I was so hype after my first playthrough to see a teaser for their next game. We need more from these guys!
Dude I just commented on the Armored Core video saying I can't wait to see the Lies of P boss ranking and here it is. You are the man
I will definitely watch this when I finish my playthrough i just beat king's flame and i am excited to continue
I was absolutely floored when I started playing this last night. I went into it just expecting an averagely decent Souls like…..what I got instead was a game so completely faithful to FromSoft’s style and quality that I would’ve literally thought it was a genuine FromSoft title if I hadn’t known otherwise. Absolutely unbelievably great game!!
Love your videos, always interesting stuff!
You dropped this at the perfect time for me to watch on my lunch break, much appreciated.
Honestly I wish that we could have fought the eldest brother on his own as a boss. As fast as his attacks are, they set up a quite fun and fair cadence once you learn his combos leading to a fun, dance-like battle. The gank part honestly ruined such a cool move set.
just finished the game. what a phenomenal experience. besides a couple wonky perfect-parry timings (looking at you fire-shovel robots) it does everything as close to perfectly as is possible. it even made me feel something!!
I think Black Rabbit Brotherhood is the first boss that made me realize I absolutely HAD to learn to perfect guard.
Finally beat Nameless Puppet today and watching this video is my reward that I have been looking forward to for weeks. :D
Been waiting for this boss rank ever since the announcement of this game.
For the Fallen Archbishop Andreus, you can select which part you face in phase 2. Just circle strafe to whichever face you want.
I honestly thought you'd rank the Black Rabbit Brotherhood higher since they're a gank squad done right in my opinion and with the flipped script in the second encounter being a clever way to ask another set of skills out of the player.
All in all, even the least good bosses in this game are, to me at least, good. I don't think it missed the mark throughout the game except maybe on the few too many patterns to learn for Laxasia with some bordering on bullshit.
Honestly the only objectively shitty thing about most of the bosses is the stagger "gotcha bitch" attacks that they throw at you
@@YEY0806 I feel you, the Laxasia one especially got me fucked up. It's a pretty dumb gotcha at first but once you get used to it, it's a good moment to heal and or buff yourself.
@LePreuxBuisson yeah I get that it's just that when it first happened, I didn't have a lot of heals, and my health was low, so when it happened, I died and the next worst thing was the runback as most were absolutely shit. The Door Guardian is my most hated for this reason
@@YEY0806 Oh yeah, for sure, that's why I said I feel you. The Door Guardian one almost wiped me at the end too.
I went for all the achievements in lies of p, and after getting the bad ending going into new game+ for all the weapons, amulets and the golden discs, holy crap this game is amazing, I didn't think laxasia could beat my ass any harder, then on my first attempt I beat nameless puppet first try like what the hell, Champion Victor set destroys him
If you use the perfect counter grindstone at the start of Laxasia phase 2 you'll auto-counter all the projectiles + the slam & get a free follow-up punish. Does a huge chunk of HP to start the fight. Like others have said you can also manually parry the projectiles back at her. The timing isn't too bad once you get it & the pattern is consistent.
I love to hear everyone's perspective on difficulty. I found laxasia difficult but not insane. Simon on the other hand is smacking me around in the second phase.
E second phase just has way less openings leading to a more slow fight, I got him on my second try and it took me 7 on NG plus for the platinum cause of the insane NG plus damage bosses deal
I never broke his guard in phase 2 because it was always hell of unsafe so it was hit and run tactics which work really fine on him especially if you get The charm to dodge trough fury attacks
@@frobbel9643 the game was practically forcing how important perfect guards were, but in the second phase of that fight, it all gets thrown out the window. So I had to practice and kind of relearn how to play to beat it
@@HuevosAzules it seems at first that deflecting is as key as in sekiro but on my second playthrough I just went the dark souls way and dodged and out spaced most things and it was so much easier
Some things still should be reflected like laxasias electro bolts but for the majority you could just dodge and be fine, I even found that most for attacks are a bit jank with a double dodge enabling me to dodge through them without the ring
@@frobbel9643 definitely. I was just bummed to find the only way dodging was useful was to upgrade it. I had to respec in order to beat simon
@@HuevosAzules I feel that, some upgrades should just be there from the getgo, it felt smooth once I unlocked it
I find this game really challenging, I beat most souls-likes from Nioh 2 to Sekiro but this game's bosses really push me my limits like Malenia, not sure if it is because it is the first playthrough and second will go smother, buty game time for the first playthrough for sure add 10 hours to yours
The game is very hard. It brought back the things i felt when i was a souls virgin lol, and i love it
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley yeah same xD
Beat every fromsoft souls game and it’s still take me a couple hours to kill the bosses lmao
Hope you do a difficulty ranking as well. Great list as always.
I always love boss rankings, but your essay vids are my favorites: Ludwig boss breakdown, evolution of Zelda, why difficulty matters, etc.
I'd adore more of those, your commentary is truly spectacular!
YESSS !! Ludwig is still to this day one of my favorite boss battles!! ❤❤
just finished scrapped watchman personally and thought he was possibly better than most of the soulsborne bosses, I get the feeling this is going to be one you change your mind on.
the triple slam in phase 2 with the red attack with lightning inbetween is my new favourite attack in any souls game
This is almost entirely just you having killed him and reacting on a buzz. Come back when you finish the game and tell us how you rate him because by the end he is a very crap boss in comparison.
@@fish5645im on ng+ he is one of the best bosses in this game for sure.
Great video :). It's interesting to see the differences people had dealing with these bosses. It's what makes these games great, the difficulty between bosses varies from person to person. Personally I thought the Door Guardian was the worst boss in the game by a large margin, while I enjoyed the Brotherhood fights. Breaking that big guys weapon is so satisfying and I found the quicker attacks easier to parry than those delayed ones
I really love the different playstyles available in this game, it's super interesting to hear you mention giving up on exclusively parrying during the Scrapped Watchman. I've personally been playing the game pretty much like Sekiro entirely, only employing dodge rolls use after doing the second Black Brotherhood fight and while dodging may be easier, I have a lot more fun of a time parrying, and asking my friends, I got varied responses as well. Absolutely love that tbh and I'm glad we can take our pick between standard dodge rolls and sekiro parry gameplay!!! It's cool as hell!
I actually did complete opposite in the brotherhood fight. Since eldest kinda becomes passive when his siblings are around, I focused only him instead. Yes, by doing so all 4 of them can be present at the same time. So at the very end it becomes a funny scoobydoo chase, where I try to deal damage to eldest while running away from the other 3. It is surprisingly viable.
Unpopular opinion:
I liked Black bunny Brotherhood fight. It was so intense and difficulty is on point. Those siblings have low damage but you can't ignore them and creating distance help breaking aggro. I see you're not using puppet string for that encounter, it's a shame.
I liked every fight in the game
Agreed, it’s truly a gank boss done right if you don’t actually focus on the elder as to spawn more than one other member. I liked it more than sister Freide phase 2 tbh
I felt so awesome when I managed to Charge R2 with the twin dragon sword against Nameless' charge attack... right before he cut me down about 9 more times.
Finally able to see this video. Massive fan of the SMT IV Tokyo theme at the beginning
I HATED door guardian. The invisible stagger meter drove me insane! I swear I spent like 10 minutes once, needing one stagger to beat him, and he just refused to go down, despite all the perfect blocks and charged attacks I landed on his exposed leg.
That and the runback is just obnoxious. Door guardian was my least favorite boss by far.
This is a really wild list because i disagreed with almost every single thing you said about every boss, likely because I spent my time learning parry timings. The attacks you mentioned the green monster got you with the most were the ones i was least afraid of, scrapped watchman and laxasia were my favorite bosses to parry in the game because of their rhythmic combos, and I definitely think manus deserves to be a bit lower on the list. I do agree with King of Puppets being one of the best, although Victor being number 2 seems weird considering how simple he is.
Did you enjoy nameless puppet? I feel like that was the boss that really went all in with the rhythmic attacks that felt satisfying to parry
@@conniefan123 I feel like i would have if i had ever managed to actually learn those phase 2 combos. I think I did more dodging in that fight than any other just out of fear. Also that dashing red attack is ridiculous and has 0 tells which is a bit annoying.
Good boss overall i think but a few annoying things kept it from being the absolute best, a bit like Malenia in that regard. Difficult on purpose and a satisfying challenge once beaten, but occasionally dips into being a bit unfair.
@quiet_tech8209 i get that, it's really just that one dash attack that feels weird to me, other than that it was really satisfying to get a rhythm down for the parries
for the black rabbits, i found them to be really manageable once i had a strategy. at the start, i would parry like crazy to break big mans sword. for spear guy, he was SUPER easy to circle around and backstab after he lands a big swing. for rapier guy, i used the gun arm for really consistent interruption because he always approached linearly. the dual sword one was the one i struggled the most with but that boiled down to predicting their dash in to interrupt them. all while making sure to keep big man in sight and be ready do sprint away when he started a charge, which is basically all he ever did in the gank parts as long as you keep your distance. he would only walk super slowly so you have a good amount of time to focus on the partner on the other side of the room until he charges, then rinse and repeat
The Buckethead lancer is the hardest? I found him to be the easiest part of the Rabithood boss :D Incredibly easy to avoid his attacks and backstab.
Just my personal take on Scrapped Watchmen: how is it fair that I can clearly see the attack animation, memorize the timing but because the parry window is so small and the attack animation frames are so narrow that I get clobbered. Particularly that red body slam that he does
one thing that the game never explains to you is that parry window is MUCH shorter if you just tap the button, for the full window you need to hold the block longer. I still get some muscle memory issues from Sekiro, but this really helped me a lot (too bad I only learned that after Watchman, having spent waaay to long on that boss)
Is that the case? I'll have to try that. I'm definitely doing the Sekiro "tap" to perfect block
It's kind of like a combination of the methods for dodging from bloodborne and parrying from sekiro. Parry when you see swing and hold down the block. Even if you miss the parry, the damage will be reduced and you can quickly recover.
@@jakubpuawski3875 parry window is still miniscule tho with barely 8 frames and it’s delayed as well making it as hard as in Souls/Elden Ring
Its all about timing with the animation. Lies of P actually has superb animation and very few attacks lack any frames of that animation. That means, if you watch closely enough, you can see the moment the boss is able to slam down which is the moment you press block. Lies of P is much more precise in its timing unlike Sekiro. Sekiro has a little bit of fuzziness in its timing allowing you to get away with a lot by simple mashing guard before the attack lands. In Lies of P, that is not the case. You have to watch and know exactly when that attack will land to parry it. And as someone who can perfect parry damn near every furious attack in the game consistently I can tell you watch that frame the moment the animation starts to descend. The swamp monster is the perfect boss to practice this.
There is a rhythm to a lot of the bosses, Eldest of the Black Rabbit Brotherhood included, that makes consecutive perfect blocks completely viable and not particularly impossible to pull off; on top of that, they do build stagger so there is an important reason to study each bosses attack pattern and learn to perfect block.
Definitely. I'm trying to master perfect blocking more in my second playthrough and it's been helpful. It's still quite difficult compared to something like Sekiro, at least for me.
This would've been so much more fun to pull off..... If you had 50 stats pushes into stamina, that is
Fail to deflect well 2 times and moree than half of that bs is gone already.
Funny how they tried to implement parts Sekiro, while forgetting the most important reason as to why it works in said game in the first place......
Tbf, deflecting really is only fun if you have a smaller/dex weapon, otherwise you do nothing but deflect, try to attack and get hit anyways, and roll away with a dash that's like 5cm..... Just to be immediately be completely outof stamina already smh
@theDeModcracy Sekiro was definitely more generous than this game as you could just spam the block button and get deflects that way. This game's window is significantly more strict which I find to be infinitely more rewarding. I love Sekiro, but the fact that perfect guards are so much harder to pull off consistently in this game makes them that much more satisfying. Breaking the elder's weapon because you perfect guarded his 5+ hit combo flurry is the stuff of legend. Since I was technique all the way with 20-25 vit for most of my playthrough, perfect guard was necessary for me to master which made pretty much every boss a puzzle lol.
Love these videos, so nostalgic lol, once I finish off lies of p imma whatch
the watchman is probably my second favorite boss in the game behind puppet master. deflecting his attacks was unbelievable satisfying and it's where the game really started to click for me
I'm sorry but the brotherhood first fight is by far one of the best fights in my opinion. The elder brother being the main boss means that you only really have to get his pattern, which doesn't really change after the brother have entered the fight. This allows you to break his weapon fairly early(usually before spear brother for me, but by your description of the fight It sounds like you didn't knew) and the problem of him being fast and aggressive suddendly pummel to the ground since he doesn't deal that much anymore, nor has the same reach. Overall to me It seemed like one of the best fights the game had to offer
Imo was the worst the girl keeps knocking you and rest are meh the fight was more annoying rather then a good fight.
I need what you and everyone who upvoted you are smoking cause it must be some GOOD shit
Nah they’ve somehow made a worse gang fight than the on in DsII
Yeah I loved the Rabbits, Victor as number 2 is a weird pick, maybe because I beat him first try, quickly so he wasn't memorable at all
King of Puppets was great, Demod must have had a way different experience than I did though, Romeo spammed combos like they were going out of style, like fighting phase 2 Malenia at the halfway point
@@christophertheofilos1063 yeah i kinda hates the fact that to learn Romeo moveset, which was the most difficult, i had to spent 5-7 minutes ti kill his first form, which was VERY annoying
Door guardian as 7th best boss 💀
“Puppeteer the algorithm” that was smooth as hell, DeMod haha
laxasia turns from a dark souls 3 boss to an elden ring boss halfway through the fight. that’s the only way i can describe her
I feel the need to defend the Brotherhood because, up to where I'm at (just after Romeo), the rabbits are my favourite boss. I like how the rabbits have that passivity that makes them less of a BS gank fight like certain bosses in other souls and soulslike games can be. I also don't quite agree with the Eldest being too fast. His spin, for example, is probably one of the easiest attacks to perfect guard in the game for instance. You're also rewarded for doing it here because it's one of the few bosses that you can weapon break in the game, which considerably brings his damage down. Also that introduction is beautiful. The fact they bring a coffin to the battlefield just shows a sense of suave cockiness that immediately made me love them.
On the flip side, I'm not Romeo's biggest fan. I think it's the fact that it's just two entirely different bosses one after another. The King is designed to be a complete and utter tit just to drain all your healing with it's heavy hitting, really wide range attacks that just hit you twice sometimes. Romeo, on the other side, has that desperation move which takes what Demod says about dodging being the best method of defence, a point I agree with, and throws it out of the window by just sticking the boss to you to hit you fifteen times and set you on fire unless your stupidly lucky. I actually really like Romeo as a character, especially when you see the puppets mourning him after his defeat, and his design in both phases is incredible (especially love the jet turbine attacks he pulls out in the King's phase 2) but the fight itself is just irritating to me.
You can actually easily time the desperation move dodges. There are many other methods but plain dodge backwards works. It doesn't even require a special movement routine like malenia.
Awesome vid! Im skippin this game cuz i just cant handle the stress of souls anymore after ER lol
Understandable lol. If the stress ever wears down, I'd recommend it ahead of ER's DLC
Lies of P isn't just a soulslike game, it's a game with its own identity that takes great combat, and builds from the blueprint of previous spiritual successors.
I'm not going to spoil the ending, but I can't wait to see what they cook up next after seeing the ending 😂
Was waiting for this one with bated breath.
Will the easiest to hardest ranking come soon?
I loved Mad Clown Puppet. He had a cool repeating moveset. Felt like a Sekiro fight.
Your voice + Ongbal fights is the perfect combination!
Been waiting for this!
Putting the black rabbit brotherhood at the bottom is a huge L take
For me the major problem with this game is the huge health pool of elite and bosses. It takes too much time to defeat them while hitting, deflecting and managing stamina that the fights get boring soon.
I had 0 problem with the Black Rabbit Brotherhood, they were even one of my favorite bosses. The brother's moves really aren't that complicated or difficult to parry. You also even realize that the 3 siblings may be aggressive but they don't hit that hard, they're mostly there to distract you from the brother.
Strange to hear a good player struggle against them.
Edit: THE SCRAPPED WATCHMAN IS WORST AFTER THE BROTHERHOOD??
My issue with the black rabbits first fight is that the better you do, the more you are punished for it. I had the big guy mastered where I could burst him down, but if you do that you get ganked like crazy since they jump in based on hp.
Felt like I was being punished for doing well
I feel like i would have loved this game, but red attacks and the super strict perfect block needed to deal with them sucks. At first i memorized when they happened in combos to run away but later enemies and bosses do fast ones mid combo that wrecked that strategy. Especially when some enemies have the same animations for a normal attack and a red attack. That plus some really tanky enemies that got really common late game really killed my momentum
The fury attacks are challenging to deal with. I wish there was a tiny bit more leeway with the perfect block timing. It's tricky to not make it OP, but it feels overly difficult
the game is hard, bo the red attacks are not a problem from my perspective. They tend to be rather slow and well telegraphed, plus you get bonus stagger from parrying them - in most fights, I actually look forward to the boss using them
@jakubpuawski3875 makes sense. I never got the parry down so I was annoyed by them.
I loved the second black rabbit fight. Thought it was one of the easiest in them game
Something crazy I noticed in NG+ the box Nameless puppet comes out of is there with you when you initially wake up at the start of the game
This video really showcases, how different players feel about different bosses. From the clips you showed it appears we pretty much played the same weapons, but our opinion on the black rabbit brotherhood or the green swamp monster vary widely
And that's okay! Enjoyed the vid, man!
Your idea of the geppetto boss is terrible
I feel like this game has a few problems that prevent it from being even better.
1)it's hard for the sake of being hard.
2) it doesn't fully commit to the bloodborne agressiveness since "health back" only works when blocking
You dont just get health back from blocking though? A regular guard against an attack will take away some of your health, which you can regain either through a perfect guard or attacking, you have a window of about 10 seconds to do either or.
Why should it fully commit to being bloodborne when you have parry from sekiro
How is it “hard for the sake of it”
The rally system in Bloodborne rewarded blind aggression, not smart play. The guard regain mechanic here is a much smarter variation.
@@callummcgilvray4946 I don't like blocking in this game. It ruins the flow of combat.
I never felt that the deflect was too tight in this game. You can make it a lot harder on yourself if you tap the block button to deflect, which would probably be instictual for a player coming from sekiro. One key difference in the deflect system here, is that the deflect only lands if you are still holding the block button when the attack lands (contrary to sekiro). If you tap the block button, you are cutting the deflect window short. That could have been the reason you felt like the perfect guard is more difficult than it should be.
I think some people suffer playing this game by discounting blocking as a viable defensive option. They either try to play it like Bloodborne or Sekiro and switch between those two modes, but forget that they can just hold block when needed. There's always the opportunity to Rally that health back too with a version of the mechanic that doesn't suck ass.
im so sorry but you are yust bad the game is totally easy and perfect pery is also not so hard
The bosses in this game are unreal, honestly better than most of Elden Ring's tbh (don't kill me)
There are a lot of ways in which lies of p is what elden ring should’ve been. As much as I love elden ring. The way it combines deflections and posture of sekiro, the attack based healing from bloodborne with the classic level designs of souls. On top of that an insanely unique and fun spin on weapon customization with a beautiful aesthetic, and amazing boss fights. this game is truly amazing. I sincerely wish that we had gotten at least one or two of these systems in elden ring. Not to say I don’t love elden ring, but it really seems that the Lies of P devs learned more from the souls games than fromsoft themselves did.
Even a crucible knight has a more interesting moveset than most boss lies p lol.
@@mocho4487 ok lol
tell me you havent playes lies of p without telling me you haven't played lies of p@@mocho4487
I just got this game and i gotta say, hearing how you had a good idea for the Geppetto fight sounds so cool and im a little upset we didn't get it. not that im entirely complaining, the fight was still good!
3:00 the guy with tha lance was actually the easiest one for me. Very easy to avoid and then just punish with backstab.
Oh been waiting for this one, as I've been reporting as it's very VERY unbalanced when it comes to the bosses. Dodges, blocks and parry don't always work, on the master of puppets on the 1st phase I was hit 8 times in a row (not in a combo) whilst blocking and having full stamina and not trying to "perfect parry", the bosses and cross the entire screen in a heartbeat, no tells it's hope for the best which his bad design instead of rewarding learning and studying your opponent. You are expected to shovel a massive shower of sh!t to get some skills that would be expected straight away IE get off the floor quickly if knocked down. The lore, graphics, art direction all perfect, just that corner stone of combat is extremely unbalanced and bad at this moment in time.
I'm at the puppet master boss and the only boss so far that have been balanced is the Iron giant as it's clean and plays fair.
The devs are aware of the faults and issues and are looking into fixing them so it's actually balanced instead of a broken mess.
skill issue unfortunately :(
If I wasn’t able to complete all the other souls games I would say it’s a skill issue but I’m not the only one to say there are issues, the “GitGud” elitist are trying to “skill shame” others. So not accepting the block that’s an issue with the game, the dodge being pointless in places since the bosses are stupidly fast, you have no poise and able to close the distance and perfect tracking.
Even this video is admitting there are issues right in the first entry which repeats time after time.