Another great video. My bike is 20 years old but great info on the battery tender/charger. I'll upgrade to a 5 amp. Been looking to buy another one anyway. Thanks
Happy to help ! I’m assuming your bike is an 04’ ? If so the rubber boot that is on top of the starter is where your positive wire from the battery is.
New Sub! Even though I do not own a Harley , Your skill as a Motorcycle Tech, [I was one for 10 yrs] is really good! I currently own a Victory Cross Country [New 2015] . Less tech, but so far,so good 9 years later. I am 70 yrs young and been riding, for 55 yrs. I also own a 2016 Triumph Tiger 800. I noticed you could attach mounting points the the ground and starter that would allow quick connect. However , any metal connector outside of the "rubber starter cover' could short, and no telling what a "Short" could to the advanced Electrical Systems [Any MC] =$$$$
Thanks for the sub ! Thank you, I’ve been doing this for 20yrs. All good dude, I love all motorcycles I don’t discriminate lol ! Yeah there are threads exposed and potentially you could but I wouldn’t recommend it.
I bought my Pan Am S last year, issues right away with my tender & pigtail (it wouldn't charge my Pan Am but charged my 17 Road King & my cousins 21 Street Glide fine). Clipped directly to the battery & ground fixed it but why have an unusable pigtail? After the tech at the dealer went through all of H-Ds updates, recommends, etc, he found H-D requires a 4Amp tender for the PAS. He then mentioned he uses one he got at Harbor Freight. So that's what I got, it's worked great ever since & alleviated my charging problems when my PAS has sat idle (like this winter). Oh boy, with the new electronics, a lot of guys with old tenders will be furious when their new bikes won't start. I have a feeling this was the reason for a lot of the claims of Pan Am unreliability, as after I got it sorted out mine's been great. I hope H-D has made it a point to to have dealers/salesmen warn new buyers, otherwise a reputation for unreliability will ensue as it has with the Pan Am, which the MoCo can ill afford.
I’ve seen all of this more times than I can count. This bike is why I’ve been so adamant about using a 5amp charger. Like I said In the video I don’t care if you use Harley or deltran or harbor freight…..just use a charger that’s gonna keep your battery in a charged state and not just maintained. the 24 pan am’s have an upgraded stator and a new battery, so hopefully this will take care of the voltage sensitivity these bikes experience
Great video , new Sub ! I bought a 2024 Street-glide and was playing with the infotainment system for a few days. The first thing was that the stereo volume would only go to a third and at one point it kept cranking and not starting. I guess i got lucky that it started and it took me to thinking there is a safety feature so as not to drain too low etc… i did. put a tender and have stopped playing with things and now I will purchase a 5 amp and hook it up as you described. Thanks
Awesome! Congrats on the purchase !! Yeah if you’re gonna be playin around with the bike or just listening to the radio as you clean hook it up like I’ve shown, if you’re just gonna store it and not ride it for a while then you can plug it into the tender harness.
Normally I do as well, but when we are doing the PDI (pre-deliver inspection) and have to update software, going to the ground stud on the tranny seems to work better for that scenario.
I may be making this worse lol if you are using a bolt on the tranny or if you’re using a peg bolt that is totally fine !!! Keep doing what you’re doin brother 🤘
From Harley service bulletin M1632, on reflashing the ECM. Hook up battery tender to vehicle battery tender lead, tender lead can be used on 2024 models ONLY. Apparently on the 2024 models, Harley wired the lead in differently than earlier years. Just saying.
So I did that in the beginning….and we were having issues with the bike going into voltage shed and then it was a shit show….so now when we do any reflash it goes to the starter and a good ground! And haven’t had any issues.
Ok, this is all well and good but explain what has changed to require a 5 amp charge when a 2 amp used to work. You explained why and thank you for that but what changed?
Good point, I’m still learning at this new endeavor and I probably left some things on the table…what changed really is when they went to CANBUS electrical system the J1850 system wasn’t as demanding so a 2amp was sufficient. With the CANBUS we now had hand control modules, BCM, ABS, proximity security, instrument modules and ECM. all this stuff is constantly communicating to send a state of health message to make sure each module is responding. With all that said the 2amp is just not as sufficient enough to keep up with the demand. I do apologize for leaving info out the to be questioned….i can talk to you personally till im blue in the face but getting on camera has been a new challenge. Thank you for your question and feeedback 🤘
Bought a 24 CVO RG in legendary orange. Dealership had starting issues from the start before the bike was delivered to me. They've run a couple of ECM updates, with the latest being the ECM calibration update # M1632. What does/did that do? I have the brand new HD 5 amp charger you were showing and I keep that plugged into the tender at ALL times in the garage. If I'm putzing around on the Skyline OS infotainment system, I keep the bike tendered and when I'm done, a couple minutes later, it goes back up to the full green bar. Is that ok? Thanks for making this video, I'm subscribed!
Congrats on your new bike ! That is a sexy paint job ! So the ECM software update just fixed an issue where the bike would spin over but wouldn’t start, I’m sure it had something to do with an ignition sequence. Harley typically doesn’t give us much information other than what models are affected and what the concern is and what the procedure is for installing a specific software. As far as how you have your bike plugged up that’s fine just be aware that when you are in accessory it stops charging the battery that’s why when you shut your bike off it goes back to green several min later….what I showed In that video is another way to hook it up so that if you are playin around or just playin music while cleaning your bike you’re not draining the battery
Got it, thank you so much for responding. So I have a confession....I was one of those guys that would put tire shine on the sidewalls!! I also have an Ultra Limited CVO and it looks soooo good when I shine it up, buff the chrome, wax the paint, etc.. I promise, I won't use it ever again! @@VtwinRevolution
Suggestion; get to your point quicker, it’ll assist with your influencer status. Question; what happens to the battery, if you leave a 5 amp charger connected to the battery after it reaches a full charge, weather it takes a day or a week or if it’s left on, unattended? Will the 5 amp charger , continue to over charge a fully charged battery? Thank you
Thank you for that ! I have only been uploading consistent content for about 2-3mo now and there is still a TON to learn !!! So I do appreciate the input 🤘
so ill be honest, I could sit here and give you all the benefits of a lithium battery and really sound like a company man..... but thats not me. I'll tell you what I think and you can take that for what it's worth. With that said since the inception of the harley lithium battery I can count on one hand how many lithium batteries ive installed, do I think there is a benefit to them.... yes, but most people are turned off by the price, I mean at $329.95 for a battery that may give you an extra 1-2yrs in life span IF maintained properly is a lot to pay and while there is a significant weight difference, im just not sold on them yet cause im poor LOL !! I would just rock the OEM battery till you have to replace it and then think about getting one. I think you just gave me a great video idea! so I will get the gears turning on this and put something out at some point.
So what you’re telling me is your charger you’re using is a .5amp ? 1amp =1000ma. As far as what you’re asking me…if you have a strong battery to begin with then I suppose that maintainer is keeping your battery charged.
I have been using the HD 1 amp tender on our Road Kings, 883 and Softail Standard. Are you recommending the 5 amp tender for all models or just specifically the infotainment equipped ones? There is a big difference in price between those two tenders.
No the 5amp is the way to go. Yes unfortunately the 5amp Harley tender is a little more BUT in the video I said you don’t have to buy the Harley one but I HIGHLY recommend the 5amp
I’d love to confirm this. The last few weeks there’s been arguing over this exact situation! I don’t think they do charge. My 24’ doesn’t seem to on a tender through the harness?? But my dealership and other videos are saying different??
No matter the reason. When a 100 yr old company makes a mororcycle ( CVO at $45K) that fails to start in warm weather. Someone should be fired.@@VtwinRevolution
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Awesome video! I’m going to hook my 24 up just the way you explained it. Thanks so much for making this video.
Thank you! Glad you got some good info out of it !
When I watch a youtube video, I am hoping I come away from it a little smarter. So far I am batting 1000 with your videos. Keep up the good work.
Well that’s a helluva comment thank you 🤙🏻
I genuinely did not know about the voltage shedding that is solid info to know. You’re doing awesome bro keep grinding! 🔥
Thanks dude !!
There's a ton of interest in the simple facts. Another great presentation. Continue ON!!
Thank you !!
Another great video. My bike is 20 years old but great info on the battery tender/charger. I'll upgrade to a 5 amp. Been looking to buy another one anyway. Thanks
Happy to help ! I’m assuming your bike is an 04’ ? If so the rubber boot that is on top of the starter is where your positive wire from the battery is.
New Sub! Even though I do not own a Harley , Your skill as a Motorcycle Tech, [I was one for 10 yrs] is really good! I currently own a Victory Cross Country [New 2015] . Less tech, but so far,so good 9 years later. I am 70 yrs young and been riding, for 55 yrs. I also own a 2016 Triumph Tiger 800. I noticed you could attach mounting points the the ground and starter that would allow quick connect. However , any metal connector outside of the "rubber starter cover' could short, and no telling what a "Short" could to the advanced Electrical Systems [Any MC] =$$$$
Thanks for the sub ! Thank you, I’ve been doing this for 20yrs. All good dude, I love all motorcycles I don’t discriminate lol ! Yeah there are threads exposed and potentially you could but I wouldn’t recommend it.
I bought my Pan Am S last year, issues right away with my tender & pigtail (it wouldn't charge my Pan Am but charged my 17 Road King & my cousins 21 Street Glide fine). Clipped directly to the battery & ground fixed it but why have an unusable pigtail? After the tech at the dealer went through all of H-Ds updates, recommends, etc, he found H-D requires a 4Amp tender for the PAS. He then mentioned he uses one he got at Harbor Freight. So that's what I got, it's worked great ever since & alleviated my charging problems when my PAS has sat idle (like this winter). Oh boy, with the new electronics, a lot of guys with old tenders will be furious when their new bikes won't start. I have a feeling this was the reason for a lot of the claims of Pan Am unreliability, as after I got it sorted out mine's been great. I hope H-D has made it a point to to have dealers/salesmen warn new buyers, otherwise a reputation for unreliability will ensue as it has with the Pan Am, which the MoCo can ill afford.
I’ve seen all of this more times than I can count. This bike is why I’ve been so adamant about using a 5amp charger. Like I said In the video I don’t care if you use Harley or deltran or harbor freight…..just use a charger that’s gonna keep your battery in a charged state and not just maintained. the 24 pan am’s have an upgraded stator and a new battery, so hopefully this will take care of the voltage sensitivity these bikes experience
Great video , new Sub !
I bought a 2024 Street-glide and was playing with the infotainment system for a few days.
The first thing was that the stereo volume would only go to a third and at one point it kept cranking and not starting. I guess i got lucky that it started and it took me to thinking there is a safety feature so as not to drain too low etc… i did. put a tender and have stopped playing with things and now I will purchase a 5 amp and hook it up as you described. Thanks
Awesome! Congrats on the purchase !! Yeah if you’re gonna be playin around with the bike or just listening to the radio as you clean hook it up like I’ve shown, if you’re just gonna store it and not ride it for a while then you can plug it into the tender harness.
Good video. I actually just use one of the peg mount bolt heads for the ground....works fine as well.
Normally I do as well, but when we are doing the PDI (pre-deliver inspection) and have to update software, going to the ground stud on the tranny seems to work better for that scenario.
Good to know. So you're seeing voltage drop between the frame and the battery?
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No, I just go there because it’s a direct ground back to the battery
I may be making this worse lol if you are using a bolt on the tranny or if you’re using a peg bolt that is totally fine !!! Keep doing what you’re doin brother 🤘
Another informative video from a solid dude
Thank you !
From Harley service bulletin M1632, on reflashing the ECM. Hook up battery tender to vehicle battery tender lead, tender lead can be used on 2024 models ONLY. Apparently on the 2024 models, Harley wired the lead in differently than earlier years. Just saying.
So I did that in the beginning….and we were having issues with the bike going into voltage shed and then it was a shit show….so now when we do any reflash it goes to the starter and a good ground! And haven’t had any issues.
@@VtwinRevolution Can't argue with your good results. Thanks.
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Ok, this is all well and good but explain what has changed to require a 5 amp charge when a 2 amp used to work. You explained why and thank you for that but what changed?
Good point, I’m still learning at this new endeavor and I probably left some things on the table…what changed really is when they went to CANBUS electrical system the J1850 system wasn’t as demanding so a 2amp was sufficient. With the CANBUS we now had hand control modules, BCM, ABS, proximity security, instrument modules and ECM. all this stuff is constantly communicating to send a state of health message to make sure each module is responding. With all that said the 2amp is just not as sufficient enough to keep up with the demand. I do apologize for leaving info out the to be questioned….i can talk to you personally till im blue in the face but getting on camera has been a new challenge. Thank you for your question and feeedback 🤘
Bought a 24 CVO RG in legendary orange. Dealership had starting issues from the start before the bike was delivered to me. They've run a couple of ECM updates, with the latest being the ECM calibration update # M1632. What does/did that do? I have the brand new HD 5 amp charger you were showing and I keep that plugged into the tender at ALL times in the garage. If I'm putzing around on the Skyline OS infotainment system, I keep the bike tendered and when I'm done, a couple minutes later, it goes back up to the full green bar. Is that ok? Thanks for making this video, I'm subscribed!
Congrats on your new bike ! That is a sexy paint job ! So the ECM software update just fixed an issue where the bike would spin over but wouldn’t start, I’m sure it had something to do with an ignition sequence. Harley typically doesn’t give us much information other than what models are affected and what the concern is and what the procedure is for installing a specific software. As far as how you have your bike plugged up that’s fine just be aware that when you are in accessory it stops charging the battery that’s why when you shut your bike off it goes back to green several min later….what I showed In that video is another way to hook it up so that if you are playin around or just playin music while cleaning your bike you’re not draining the battery
Got it, thank you so much for responding. So I have a confession....I was one of those guys that would put tire shine on the sidewalls!! I also have an Ultra Limited CVO and it looks soooo good when I shine it up, buff the chrome, wax the paint, etc.. I promise, I won't use it ever again! @@VtwinRevolution
Suggestion; get to your point quicker, it’ll assist with your influencer status.
Question; what happens to the battery, if you leave a 5 amp charger connected to the battery after it reaches a full charge, weather it takes a day or a week or if it’s left on, unattended?
Will the 5 amp charger , continue to over charge a fully charged battery?
Thank you
Thank you for that ! I have only been uploading consistent content for about 2-3mo now and there is still a TON to learn !!! So I do appreciate the input 🤘
Do you recommend a lithium ion battery for the newer bikes?
so ill be honest, I could sit here and give you all the benefits of a lithium battery and really sound like a company man..... but thats not me. I'll tell you what I think and you can take that for what it's worth. With that said since the inception of the harley lithium battery I can count on one hand how many lithium batteries ive installed, do I think there is a benefit to them.... yes, but most people are turned off by the price, I mean at $329.95 for a battery that may give you an extra 1-2yrs in life span IF maintained properly is a lot to pay and while there is a significant weight difference, im just not sold on them yet cause im poor LOL !! I would just rock the OEM battery till you have to replace it and then think about getting one. I think you just gave me a great video idea! so I will get the gears turning on this and put something out at some point.
How did my .500ma charger put my battery voltage @ 13.4 volts ? Just got it out and went for a ride last week , everything was good .
So what you’re telling me is your charger you’re using is a .5amp ? 1amp =1000ma. As far as what you’re asking me…if you have a strong battery to begin with then I suppose that maintainer is keeping your battery charged.
@@VtwinRevolution 2019 flhtk Original battery put it on for a couple days a month just to make shure
I have been using the HD 1 amp tender on our Road Kings, 883 and Softail Standard. Are you recommending the 5 amp tender for all models or just specifically the infotainment equipped ones? There is a big difference in price between those two tenders.
No the 5amp is the way to go. Yes unfortunately the 5amp Harley tender is a little more BUT in the video I said you don’t have to buy the Harley one but I HIGHLY recommend the 5amp
Good explanation. You're no idiot.
Thank you 🤘
Really? m y dealer and several youtube channels say the 24s charge while accessory is on. cvo's don't but the 24s do
There is no difference between the CVO’s electrical system and the non-CVO. They dont charge while in accessory or when the ignition is turned on.
I’d love to confirm this. The last few weeks there’s been arguing over this exact situation! I don’t think they do charge. My 24’ doesn’t seem to on a tender through the harness?? But my dealership and other videos are saying different??
@@Frog-outdoors74 even harley said it on the sip for the update
@@zavlo72 got a link or info to that?
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Thank you !
A battery tender is not meant to be a batter charger. Tender is trickle charge for battery storage.
I’m already being blasted over this haha I know this and apparently you know this lol
I just thought I would throw in my worthless 2 cents.@@VtwinRevolution
Im sure HD will work out the bugs in a couple of years.
BCM suck. Dual BCM suck twice as much.
I’m sure they will, they changed the size of the pan-am battery because it couldn’t handle the dual BCM.
No matter the reason. When a 100 yr old company makes a mororcycle ( CVO at $45K) that fails to start in warm weather. Someone should be fired.@@VtwinRevolution