Its almost like giving a character an: i16, mid mid, practically homing, safe on block, wall splatting, heat engager that launches while in heat, was a bad idea. Who the fuck could have known???
@@yawarsaeed5176 yeah, all they care about is selling the game. What happens after (players blocking each other and more frequent one and dones or plugging) apparently they don't care.
I know right?😐 It's almost like that one time that they gave a character an easy to execute, +7 on block, homing, heat engager/heat dash launcher, ground hitting, (formerly) wall splatting mid.
@@Mike-EvsOh I know it. Especially as a ~25 year Xiaoyu specialist. I know how to put Xiaoyu into backwards AOP in T4 on command. Etc. But this is how Tekken 8 demands to be played, right? Getting too fancy only gets you into trouble
The gap between a tekken king to a GoD is bigger than the gap of a garyu to a bushin bro. Any ranks tekken king and below can be obtained despite having negative winrate.
Being a boss top 1 character is one thing. This dude clive probably isn’t even top 5 but he’s one of the most obnoxious characters in a already obnoxious game😂
I wouldnt even say just his moves are a problem, but his effects too, its hard to understand sometimes what the hell hes doing with all the fire effects
I literally yell "woosh bang fwash boom woosh fwapoow!!" whenever Clive is flooding my TV with VFX magic while I'm trying to do simple kung fu. It passes the time.
The powercrush is not safe and there are a ton of mid launching heat engagers, granted they track to one side or not at all, but everything mentioned here is normal except the move tracking both sides or rather homing.
I don't know where you got the fast and powercrush from man, i16 isn't slow but not fast either and the move definetly doesn't power crush 😭 Still his best move and incredibly strong but let's not get ahead and spread misinformation.
You would think the Tekken team would have this down to a science. That move has so many good properties, it really makes me think WTF they were thinking?? Plus on block Tracks Heat Engager Good Range Shit like this is what they give bosses
@@aeson6294 what plus frames does clive have the are good while running 2 is very very bad at a meager +2 and yes he has good range because his close range sucks f1+2 is very good and does need its tracking removed but besides that his tracking is weak
I don't see anyone talk about this, but my main issue with Clive is : THE EFFECTS. He's so fuckin hard to read cause everything he does has effects on screen hiding his character, so guessin his next move is very often squinting and hoping you saw the right thing. Or just block, all the time, till he's got ONE pause and you can have an opportunity (and then we can talk about the absurd range of half his attacks obviously)
I literally stopped playing T8 because of Clive, and mainly because this specific factor. I'm not interested in playing "After Effect, the Fighting Game". I'll wait for better times (aka, after they tone down the stupid stuff, the stupid stuff becomes less common, or they bring Lei into the roster) to come back, if I come back at all.
@@ardidsonriente2223 I dont know who you are brother... But, I wanna thank you for making me genuinely laugh. Your comment regarding the obnoxious fireworks display/techno rave led light show, that plagues the screen... i thoroughly agree with💯. I cant tell you how many times I've had to shut down questions from those who follow me on Xbox and PlayStation, "why I haven't joined Tekken 8?" One of my most common responses is.... "it's like, they were using some kids on a graphic design apprenticeship program, last minute. And told them just 'go crazy!', in After effects. Before they reported back to the higher-uppers for their nerve-racking presentation."🤣
Iam playing t8 just meanwhile vf6 does appear. If vf6 does have good reception, maybe t9 could have a reset (reseting franchises is a fashion on this days)but “nintendization” of tekken (because theres a clear smash bros influence) is maybe the worst thing could happened to this loved franchise.
@@dontpetentertainment3450 hoping vf5 can send a powerful signal about what players does expect from 3d fighting game…maybe bloody roar or fighting vipers could rebirth :0
@@dontpetentertainment3450you and everyone else will drop it after a month like the virtua fighters before it. That game is a mash fest and oppressive as hell. U block u die in virtua fighter
@pledgedsun0752 everybody swears on their mother's life that this game is balanced like G it's not some characters blatantly are playing a different game and doesn't have to respect the same rules. Like this game isn't bad by no means but people love to lie to themselves.
@ The game is not balanced, but then our opponents and our gameplay is not balanced. I don’t sweat tier lists. Yes you can feel some characters are tougher than others, but I’ve beaten said good characters. Good Tekken players, that’s a different story. Overall I love the game and the fact that we hope for a perfectly balanced game is fantasy land. Not even sure that’s possible theoretically if you think about it.
I’m convinced at this point that a lot of pros don’t have a grasp on heat so they just keep making plus frames what make a character really good instead of range, mix ups, wonky animation. Idk Clive is easily top 8 Character is stupid
This wasn’t even the most offensive display of Clive gameplay either. The Clive mirror (I think between Mulgold and Meo-Il) where they did like 15 f1+2’s in one round was very, very reminiscent of EVO Japan Leroy. I don’t think Clive is THAT good, but he’s definitely a big problem.
Came back to say it was Ulsan vs Mulgold in the Winners final. Ulsan switches to Clive after going down 0-2 and the set is just really degenerate in general.
Shout out PhiDx. Harada is a HUGE VF fan. He's doing this shit on purpose to help VF.....wild take but I feel like there's truth to it. If VF 6 is groundbreaking like a lot of us are hoping.....y'all can bet Tekken 9 will be more grounded and with less 3D-but-2D-anime-fighter non-sense. Y'all heard it here first.
Lol no. Tekken has always and will always be arcade like. It's not martial art simulator there's animals, Ogre, devils etc. VF always had an issue retaining a loyal playerbase.
@@Superfoodcookie I don't know man. Kangaroos and dinosaurs were doing actual fighting, and not throwing a whole bunch of fire balls. Back in the days, the only ones doing 2D fighter shit was Devil, Ogre, and Jinpachi, give or take a few zany attacks. Now half the cast has wild shit. And most the people that kinda fight in that martial arts vein are mid to low tier. 🤷🏿♂️
Man the tracking in some of the attacks are insane lmfao. i literally learned today i keep getting smoked trying to side step or getting clipped in the side stepping. You an mainmanswe been gettin me through. 🙏🏾🙏🏾 Stuck in raijin.
I am playing Tekken 8 since day one, almost every day. I never asked for a nerf of any character, even Dragunov.... But honeslty, Clive is a Pain as an opponent. I just hate facing him every two or 3 matches.... It makes me what to quit the game, he's so broken.... and boring...
its insane how devs really don't care. There is no way one comes up with those overtuned moves by accident. they just did it for profit. again. Its honestly just sad
Wasn't there for T7, but which DLC characters were obvious cash grabs so far in T8?. I'm all for criticizing the money people for shoving the shop and battle pass down our throats, or the paid dlc map. But weren't the rest of season 1 characters pretty mid tier so far?
@@GotekSC I was referring to T7. yeah I agree that the previous character are quite balanced but the market stratategy here its obvious, last character of the season presented at game awards to hook players up into the next season
Anyone complaining about Clive has a MAJOR SKILL ISSUE. Just learn the match up, my god. Lab him. You guys think you're good at Tekken? Seriously? You can't deal with 12-frame, mid, tracking moves with invincibility on startup, armor during active frames, launcher, hits across the whole screen, wall splats, safe on block, and charges your credit card $250 on each hit? How else are 12 year old anime lovers supposed to enjoy Tekken 8? They can't play Alisa with Special Style FOREVER, can they?
Tekken god ranked heihachi who plays gods, supremes and destruction ranks.. and i can confirm that its a little bit more than just a skill issue.. u can lab all day, but some players really know how to the bring the degenerate sh*t out.. he isn’t unbeatable but nonetheless, he IS a problem
Even if you ignore how strong Clive is at the pro-level, he’s just flat out annoying to fight at the casual level. F1+2 is obscene, there’s no way it doesn’t get touched in the next balance adjustment. Punishing some of his moves feels super inconsistent, idk if it’s the pushback from power crush or what but sometimes i13 or even i12 punishes won’t land. The parry is also a bit much, Clive is blessed with the slow down to guarantee follow ups but stuff like Leeroy’s perfect parry follow up or Feng’s shifting clouds auto-launch can be interrupted? I’m used to zoners in 2D games but it just feels so much more annoying in Tekken for some reason.
His power crush is safe from mid range. And I mean average mid range, not the moves mid range. Aka 1 step away, while the move hits from 8 steps away. Genius balancing.
@@kato093 maybe you just suck at the game because its actually -13 at the lowest safe at MAX distance because you are to far away from clive to punish so maybe go in clives close range where he actually blows cock with a terrible mid check. also clive has no plus frame while running 2 is only plus 2 on block
I'd be more upset if releasing a new character intentionally overturned to inflate sales wasn't so damn obvious. The real annoying part is the community trying to gaslight you into thinking it's not obvious
Someone who started tekken 4 years ago...played even with intermittent breaks I still had over 100 hours a month on Tekken atleast. For the first time I had less than 100 hours on Tekken in December. Its gonna be even lower in January cuz cuz Clive came out in middle of December. It's not all on Clive but the Dev's who can't seem to understand how to make an enjoyable new character. Why does every new character have a stance bullshit? Even worse with clive as they also gave him complete space control.
Except worse. Because at least 2,2 was a close range move. Clive has the Kuni tracking, but from the length of a football field. Having played both, they're very different to pilot, with Kuni being great at small Tekken, and Clive being great at big Tekken. But their ability to lockdown movement is nuts, for sure. I think this might be even more obnoxious in some ways, just because the heat engager aspect breaks the game. There needs to be balance adjustments 100%.
This, you actually at an advantage if you respect him. Most of his moves rely on your opponent to press a button. Clive usually tries to open you up with his dash stance mixup,grabs, or simply lows. If you make the correct read it's an easy punish
@@Everybodyhasaprycedumbass? He doesn't have her f2 projectile that is stupid fast and catches sidewalking with dash realignment and it's also mid safe on block that can launch while in rage. Wow, just like Clive's f1+2 that also launches spending heat. No way...
Clive with the infinite reach with sword slash and then he also has a big parry game where he can almost parry anything and everything when just about to get hit he teleports and punishes instead...in one of my online matches I found out about this the hard way 😢😢😢
Raven's parry, but with no drawbacks. Raven teleports away & is so minus when he does that no follow-up is guaranteed. If he does it from backturn, he's still so minus that anyone who's ready for it can turn around to block once he teleports behind them. If they have backturn offense like Xiaoyu, Raven can be launched after a successful parry. He also takes chip damage every time he does the parry successfully. Clive gets the same thing, only there's zero drawback & he gets guaranteed damage lmao.
For the valorant players out there, it's just like day 1 chamber. His kit was busted on release but there were a LOT of people calling him balanced. All of them look stupid as hell now, and the same will happen for the clive defenders of today
For a character that summons the strength of many powerful creatures, the attack that scares me the most is his li'l toe kick from phoenix shift. Stay away from my toesies, Clive!
(f1+2) and (1+2) are so dumb man, they should be unsafe or have the tracking removed. He already have dumb stance 50/50 mixup, insane dmg, and dumb FC mixup with unparryable long range low...he does not need those god buttons that's both safe and heat engage...
1+2 has no tracking, super linear and the range is ass and he also loses his turn. 🤣 you just suck at fighting him, it's just F1+2 that's annoying and bullshit
@sbilly17 are you listening to yourself? 🤣, who in the game has an unsafe 13 frame mid check? You want to nerf a move that has no range, has no tracking, he loses his turn, he can't parry or sidestep after? You wanna nerf it why? What is he supposed to then use to check opponents? His df 1 is 14 frames, and he has no good mid check. All others are highs. So because it's a heat engager, then it should be made unsafe? 🤣
@sbilly17 That's the funny part 🤣 I don't even main him. I'm just amazed at how you're just mouthing off without actual reason. Humor me, why should 1+2 be nerfed, what about the move is broken. Enlighten me cause we all know why
Point Blank pressure is pretty good against Clive. I really struggle with him against Rush Down characters like Hwoarang and Lidia. Steve and Nina are also pretty hard to handle and Yoshimitsu is outright impossible if the player knows what they're doing. F1+2 will have to be nerfed eventually and i'm not against it. But he will end up exactly like Jun and Devil Jin afterwards, getting few of their key moves toned down and suddenly they are at the lower half of the tierlist. Clive won't be dominating for very long, he is just enjoying the newcomer advantage. For now keep in mind he is giving up his turn every time he does it, leaving him right close up to you (where he doesn't want to be) and on whiff recovers super super slow. Yes, Clive players online whiff that thing a lot and that's pretty normal if you're navigating a character that wants to be at mid-range. Depending on the character you can launch-punish it very reliably (f3 with Clive, b3 with Hwoarang, u1+2 with Alissa, delayed cd2 with Jin, ff2 with Victor, Jun and Aska etc).
The characters you struggle against usually exposes players defence and if you dont move correctly away from them they auto win neutral. Its like many of you players even at my rank God you dont move you Can Block but why try and guess hwo’s mixups or steves free frames moving around is your issue I Think
@Sage_6reen if Clive parries right after, it gets stuffed by jab strings, it'll only work if you play a slow option after (I've tested it). parry works best for Clive when he's -4 to -6. They're definitely making f1+2 steppable and probably punishable though
@@krisztianfrandsen8780 my man, absolute top top players are complaining about Nina and Yoshimitsu. I don't wanna hear anything about exposing defensive skills.
Now that the sales of the character are mostly done, its time to talk about balance. Waiting for a tmm video where he acknowledges this and we can wrap this up.
LMAO MainManswe reminds of Skill4ltu. Skill4ltu is a content creator for the game "world of tanks". in one of his old videos he criticized the game and talked about how certain tanks are unbalanced. after that he posted another video in which he apologized to WG (the owners) and said the game is fine and balanced. these content creator depend on the game companies to put food on the table so they have to suck up to them.
For me it’s not even the matchup, but the sensory overload. One button and there’s all these effects on the screen and I lose focus of what’s going on and then once the match is over, I need 5 minutes to gather myself and recover.
People didn't listen cause they think people pointing out obvious bad things I'd lsck of skill or hating on the character cause they themselves will use them for the broken factor then when they nerf the shit out of them they disappear. I don't rematch against these f-ers
Would be cool to see the pros in a tournament where the opponent picks your fighter, or the tournament themselves picks based on your history. Force the pros to show what they got with other characters
Its definitely not fun to watch and nor is it fun to play against clive. Idk what they were thinking... why did they even think this was okay? Im expecting and hoping for some massive nerfs next season, but i have low expectations considering their lack of action thus far with certain characters.
The problem is that the reach puts him into an entirely different strategic area. He doesn't need to have plus frames or even negative frames below -8 and -9. His biggest strength is that he can intimidate you completely outside your range. He has solid tools on top of the reach. If you mess up, you take Bryan levels of damage but from farther away. Take any other safe heat engager, and double the range. Literally the same situation.
Ok, huge rant incoming: Not gonna lie, Clive represents the absolute WORST of Tekken 8, and that says alot. This game has it's obvious flaws and Clive is basically the epitome of that. The over-the-top cringy animé effects of his moves. The 5 second of cutscenes everytime you press a button, the long cutscenes of rageart that just take you out of the zone of a fastpaced fightinggame. The projectiles and lazers and the flying and whatnot. You can't even see what the hell is going on. And I've not even talked about his broken moves, the forces 50/50s, the unseeable and thus unreactable mix-ups that basically makes the game a casino. A full screen powercrush with pushback, a 16 frame mid-mid homing heat engager that's safe on block. Cheap unreactable lows out of stance. The absolute worst of Tekken flowcharting. It's so bad, it's not even fun to win with Clive because you know you only won because the opponent happened to guess wrong, not because you had the better fundamentals or better technique. That's Tekken 8 in a nutshell right now, and Clive is a leading example. VF6 is looking better and better everyday and I'll jump the ship as soon as possible.
Oh because Virtua Fighter is so known for not having constant 50/50 checks, high aggression and safe on block strings. Have you ever touched a VF? It's gonna be a nasty shock.
Unless I'm mistaken and they already do, I wish they would release characters through a playtest first. But I guess that would eliminate the surprise factor of releasing them
Clive is strong but not broken IMO. I think a lot of people have gotten used to rush down offense in T8 which Clive’s kit counters that really well. People side step my F 1+2 to the right quite often but I also don’t spam it. Most of his moves give up his turn. I would say his power crush is the most OP.
@@DennisTheZZZ I can understand the safe part as T8 added demon paw. But the good tracking of both hits is utterly brain-ded. And he already has that crazy high b2 which is practically homing. These days I could only win against bad Clive by forward dash blocking sticking close all the time. But there's no way it works against good players.
I only had to see Clives trailer and I went from wanting Tekken 8 as my first fighting game when I can afford to upgrade to ps5 to "I'll probably get it sometime after vf6"
@@DamonVerial noctis does get nerfed tho, his db2 and db 1+2 was nerfed which make him him weaker on the online scene. Still that nerf did nothing for the pro scene because no one use those move there.
@@DamonVerial so we're ok with rewriting history now, huh. The truth was he was nerfed in Year 1-2, and was practically untouched for 3+ years and was only popularized late into T7 by CBM and of course, some casual named PGX or something.
@@padzman91EXACTLY. Noctis was much more balance and way cooler guest character compared to bishass op Clive and required more skill to win with. He wasn’t an all around monster and had some clear weaknesses, no dickjab and reliable high crush plus on hit low. His game was strictly keep out and whiff punishment. Clive has more braindead 50/50 mixups.
DLC? Only Clive is broken. Heihachi is super well designed and fun to play against. Clive is shit. Plus he has so many effects that I see shit on 4k 85oled... What to say if someone plays on 24inch screen...
f+1+2 having a tracking nerf would be fine imo, it's a good move with a lot of properties but being able to step it would be death with how far he advances and how long the whole animation takes to play out.
@T3hBadger even just making the second hit steppable would be fine. A lot of times I've used it at range, the first hit would whiff but the second one would track. That's bullshit lol. But generally, these devs can sometimes go over the top with nerfs. That would be a shame because Clive is a pretty cool character and they've done a good job overall.
@@Ti_Fire I thought it was incredible, world and characters where interesting, story was enjoyable, OST was fire and the combat had a TON of depth. It was a good successful game, it might not be your cup of tea and that's ok, but it wasn't a bad game.
Worst part of this character is that it demands players to spam same attack over and over again cuz while some certain moves are broken as hell, he’s overall normals aren’t that good.
Nah, the implementation did. If heat worked like Rage in SamSho 2019, or literally any ex meter, it’d be a way better system. I don’t understand why Heat is available round start
I quit tekken 8 after Heihachi. Tekken is 31 years old now. They KNOW how to balance characters, but they purposely release DLC characters in this state so more people buy them. They added a store a month after release after they promised the community they would not. And idc if I sound crazy, when they changed matchmaking to prioritise prowess, it was 100% some EOMM BS designed to keep you stuck and drive up player retention. This company spent 31 years building up good will, just to cash it all in.
I literally made a post on a Facebook group with the exact same title on the day of Clive’s launch, and I got DRAGGED. They kept saying “skill issue, sounds like a green rank, just admit you suck.” Over 40 comments just completely telling me that I suck. and now literally everyone is saying the same thing I said at his launch. I’m not saying I was the only one or the first to say it, but now, im seeing the same exact people who attacked me, complaining about him now. I really really really hate our community.
The Tekken community is dishonest, as a whole. Everyone looks at the game exclusively through the perspective of the character they main, rather than looking at the bigger picture for the game overall (like Phi & other creators do). As such, there are probably a ton of people downplaying Clive because they have a pocket Clive in high ranks, and they're just gonna downplay to hell & back.
@@pichaelthompson that's it? i made a post on reddit pointing out all the flaws I felt this game had. honest opinion which i am entitled to btw cuz i paid full price to buy this game. But I was bombarded with downvotes and negative comments by a whole bunch of bots and ultimately my post was taken down by the mods cuz apparently I was breaking some rule they just pulled out of their ass. And then for retaliating with another post I was permanently banned. This Whole community is trash and I have never seen such a sheep walking negative community for any game. Not even COD community comes close to it.
Downplayers have the real skill issue. They don't have anything interesting or meaningful to say so just desperately claw at a sense of superiority by shitting on other people. Obnoxious nubs, honestly.
Feature the ulsan vs mulgold winners final match where mulgold's Clive was up 2-0 over ulsan's drag. Then ulsan switched to Clive and came back to win 3-2. Clive abuse at its finest! It was a game of chicken on who would duck first haha
if they would decrease the visual effects that comes out of him that would be a good nerf to him so that we can at least see wtf he is doing to block it though that alone won't be enough of a nerf.
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Its almost like giving a character an: i16, mid mid, practically homing, safe on block, wall splatting, heat engager that launches while in heat, was a bad idea. Who the fuck could have known???
With half screen reach
They do it on purpose so people buy these characters , putting us all through this misery
@@yawarsaeed5176 yeah, all they care about is selling the game.
What happens after (players blocking each other and more frequent one and dones or plugging) apparently they don't care.
I know right?😐
It's almost like that one time that they gave a character an easy to execute, +7 on block, homing, heat engager/heat dash launcher, ground hitting, (formerly) wall splatting mid.
well when u out it like that...
I'm almost up to Tekken King with Clive and I use about 6 moves with him.
I see now that if I drop 2 more moves from my repertoire I could get to GoD.
It’s brainrot 🧠
@@Mike-EvsOh I know it. Especially as a ~25 year Xiaoyu specialist. I know how to put Xiaoyu into backwards AOP in T4 on command. Etc.
But this is how Tekken 8 demands to be played, right? Getting too fancy only gets you into trouble
No! Guys he is mid tier and you are just upset that tifa isn't in game. He's not that strong!
Yeo, clive is braindead character
The gap between a tekken king to a GoD is bigger than the gap of a garyu to a bushin bro. Any ranks tekken king and below can be obtained despite having negative winrate.
the Clive situation is crazy
it's not like bamco has a history of releasing some of the dlc chars busted to drive sales up
Every dlc this season was extremely balanced aside from Clive. Let’s be fair.
And to act like Namco wouldn't pull it again is damn naive. Same happened with 7, people are just damn blind.
clive is not absurdly op like all tekken 7 DLCs. Its MUCH better now.
Being a boss top 1 character is one thing. This dude clive probably isn’t even top 5 but he’s one of the most obnoxious characters in a already obnoxious game😂
@@TaeGoCrzy Haha! But I love this obnoxious game. All characters in the right hands can be a nightmare.
I wouldnt even say just his moves are a problem, but his effects too, its hard to understand sometimes what the hell hes doing with all the fire effects
I literally yell "woosh bang fwash boom woosh fwapoow!!" whenever Clive is flooding my TV with VFX magic while I'm trying to do simple kung fu. It passes the time.
That’s a big issue in this game across the board that hurts players from learning how to actually counter this stuff.
If I had a Nickel for a RPG Protag Appears as a Guest character in Fighting Games that ends up being Busted....
And is also from Final Fantasy, I’d have 2 nickels
@Oso_Thiccck
3. You'd have 3, don't forget smash 4 cloud (Also a game namco helped with)
2B was beyond busted in soul caliber
@@FlareBlitzGamez wasn’t sephiroth busted aswell?
>this move tracks to both sides and it's fast safe power crush mid launching hit engager
Amazing game design
Fr. They decided to pack everything into a move that needs 0 execution. 😂 they just forgot to make it +on block
The powercrush is not safe and there are a ton of mid launching heat engagers, granted they track to one side or not at all, but everything mentioned here is normal except the move tracking both sides or rather homing.
U forgot IT WALL SPLAT TOO XD, I'm a Clive main 😂
I don't think you know what some of those words even mean man..
I don't know where you got the fast and powercrush from man, i16 isn't slow but not fast either and the move definetly doesn't power crush 😭
Still his best move and incredibly strong but let's not get ahead and spread misinformation.
Tekken players rejecting Clive like his own mother did in FF16. Damn, that's sad. 😔
Didn't know his mother was a Tekken fan.
Tekken players would absolutely own Bearers.
@@ardidsonriente2223 She mains Leo dressed as Joshua and uses Clive as a punching bag in practice mode. Very sad. 😔
Clive is broken and super simple
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The biggest problem is that he is not steppable. If he was, he wouldn’t be as big an issue.
tell me about it. i really hope they fix the tracking on a lot of moves across the roster tbh.
You would think the Tekken team would have this down to a science. That move has so many good properties, it really makes me think WTF they were thinking??
Plus on block
Tracks
Heat Engager
Good Range
Shit like this is what they give bosses
@ totally agree. This is the definition of a pay to win character
@@aeson6294 what plus frames does clive have the are good while running 2 is very very bad at a meager +2 and yes he has good range because his close range sucks f1+2 is very good and does need its tracking removed but besides that his tracking is weak
You forget that wr2 into PHX is like +11, b2 into PHX is good, SS 1+2 is plus, PHX 3+4 is just a pressure reset with +7
I don't see anyone talk about this, but my main issue with Clive is : THE EFFECTS. He's so fuckin hard to read cause everything he does has effects on screen hiding his character, so guessin his next move is very often squinting and hoping you saw the right thing. Or just block, all the time, till he's got ONE pause and you can have an opportunity (and then we can talk about the absurd range of half his attacks obviously)
💯 had the same issue with Akuma to some extent too.
I literally stopped playing T8 because of Clive, and mainly because this specific factor. I'm not interested in playing "After Effect, the Fighting Game".
I'll wait for better times (aka, after they tone down the stupid stuff, the stupid stuff becomes less common, or they bring Lei into the roster) to come back, if I come back at all.
This i must agreed 😂 specially when he is in heat like wtf is goin on during the string😅
bro has never had the pleasure of fighting bedman in strive
@@ardidsonriente2223 I dont know who you are brother... But, I wanna thank you for making me genuinely laugh. Your comment regarding the obnoxious fireworks display/techno rave led light show, that plagues the screen... i thoroughly agree with💯. I cant tell you how many times I've had to shut down questions from those who follow me on Xbox and PlayStation, "why I haven't joined Tekken 8?"
One of my most common responses is.... "it's like, they were using some kids on a graphic design apprenticeship program, last minute. And told them just 'go crazy!', in After effects. Before they reported back to the higher-uppers for their nerve-racking presentation."🤣
Virtua Fighter is our last hope for a martial arts fighting game.
Iam playing t8 just meanwhile vf6 does appear. If vf6 does have good reception, maybe t9 could have a reset (reseting franchises is a fashion on this days)but “nintendization” of tekken (because theres a clear smash bros influence) is maybe the worst thing could happened to this loved franchise.
When VF5 Revo drops I'm off T8 for a while 😂
@@dontpetentertainment3450 hoping vf5 can send a powerful signal about what players does expect from 3d fighting game…maybe bloody roar or fighting vipers could rebirth :0
Can't wait for vf5vrevo
@@dontpetentertainment3450you and everyone else will drop it after a month like the virtua fighters before it. That game is a mash fest and oppressive as hell. U block u die in virtua fighter
Its like the pre patch azucena problem where u just use 2 overtuned moves
Give f 1+2 armor too might as well
to nobody's surprise.
Remember when they called us out for saying he is top and gaslit us into thinking he is mid? Fgc moment right here
Mostly just shilling for bandai namco. Same with the people who think this game is remotely balanced
Dude that avatar kills me! 😂😂😂 who dat??
@pledgedsun0752 everybody swears on their mother's life that this game is balanced like G it's not some characters blatantly are playing a different game and doesn't have to respect the same rules. Like this game isn't bad by no means but people love to lie to themselves.
@ The game is not balanced, but then our opponents and our gameplay is not balanced. I don’t sweat tier lists. Yes you can feel some characters are tougher than others, but I’ve beaten said good characters. Good Tekken players, that’s a different story. Overall I love the game and the fact that we hope for a perfectly balanced game is fantasy land. Not even sure that’s possible theoretically if you think about it.
@@chucklos391 Protegent Antivirus' "Yes" meme
You guys gaslit me into thinking he was mid
And still not a single Yoshimitsu who is apparently so overpowered didn't make it to finals, again. Lmao this goofy community
I’m convinced at this point that a lot of pros don’t have a grasp on heat so they just keep making plus frames what make a character really good instead of range, mix ups, wonky animation.
Idk Clive is easily top 8 Character is stupid
@@Wystoroyahtop 1
@@Arnuld15Governator Where is Yoshi lacking?
@@HungryNotThirsty in tournament wins
Wow it's almost as if everybody was saying that the moment the trailer dropped
This wasn’t even the most offensive display of Clive gameplay either. The Clive mirror (I think between Mulgold and Meo-Il) where they did like 15 f1+2’s in one round was very, very reminiscent of EVO Japan Leroy.
I don’t think Clive is THAT good, but he’s definitely a big problem.
Came back to say it was Ulsan vs Mulgold in the Winners final.
Ulsan switches to Clive after going down 0-2 and the set is just really degenerate in general.
he's definitely a problem in high level when one of his core moves eradicates every option a player can face.
Shout out PhiDx. Harada is a HUGE VF fan. He's doing this shit on purpose to help VF.....wild take but I feel like there's truth to it. If VF 6 is groundbreaking like a lot of us are hoping.....y'all can bet Tekken 9 will be more grounded and with less 3D-but-2D-anime-fighter non-sense. Y'all heard it here first.
Lol no. Tekken has always and will always be arcade like. It's not martial art simulator there's animals, Ogre, devils etc. VF always had an issue retaining a loyal playerbase.
@@Superfoodcookiebro is too dumb to exist in the Tekken community 😂
@@Superfoodcookie I don't know man. Kangaroos and dinosaurs were doing actual fighting, and not throwing a whole bunch of fire balls. Back in the days, the only ones doing 2D fighter shit was Devil, Ogre, and Jinpachi, give or take a few zany attacks. Now half the cast has wild shit. And most the people that kinda fight in that martial arts vein are mid to low tier. 🤷🏿♂️
Man the tracking in some of the attacks are insane lmfao. i literally learned today i keep getting smoked trying to side step or getting clipped in the side stepping.
You an mainmanswe been gettin me through. 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Stuck in raijin.
I am playing Tekken 8 since day one, almost every day. I never asked for a nerf of any character, even Dragunov.... But honeslty, Clive is a Pain as an opponent. I just hate facing him every two or 3 matches.... It makes me what to quit the game, he's so broken.... and boring...
For me its the amount of effects i cant jet read, cutscenes, same few moves and overall amount of clive in games
I fought four in a row yesterday. He's just so boring to play against and idk how it's fun for them just spamming the same three moves.
i have never been less interested in playing Tekken than right now with Clive gameplay
it was so clear to me after the first week of clive's release that he was so damn broken and easy at the same time.
Thank you for the tech roll tip at the end. I did not know you could do that against Bryan.
its insane how devs really don't care. There is no way one comes up with those overtuned moves by accident. they just did it for profit. again. Its honestly just sad
Wasn't there for T7, but which DLC characters were obvious cash grabs so far in T8?.
I'm all for criticizing the money people for shoving the shop and battle pass down our throats, or the paid dlc map. But weren't the rest of season 1 characters pretty mid tier so far?
@@GotekSC I was referring to T7. yeah I agree that the previous character are quite balanced but the market stratategy here its obvious, last character of the season presented at game awards to hook players up into the next season
Anyone complaining about Clive has a MAJOR SKILL ISSUE. Just learn the match up, my god. Lab him. You guys think you're good at Tekken? Seriously? You can't deal with 12-frame, mid, tracking moves with invincibility on startup, armor during active frames, launcher, hits across the whole screen, wall splats, safe on block, and charges your credit card $250 on each hit?
How else are 12 year old anime lovers supposed to enjoy Tekken 8? They can't play Alisa with Special Style FOREVER, can they?
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Tekken god ranked heihachi who plays gods, supremes and destruction ranks.. and i can confirm that its a little bit more than just a skill issue.. u can lab all day, but some players really know how to the bring the degenerate sh*t out.. he isn’t unbeatable but nonetheless, he IS a problem
I'm not gonna lie, you had me in the first half 😂
tottaly had me in the first half 😂.
Haha for real. Clive a damn joke. Thanks Bamco
Even watching Clive makes me wanna turn off T8
This type of analysis commentary is so good. Would love to see PhiDX as a commentator in a Tekken lilve event
Even if you ignore how strong Clive is at the pro-level, he’s just flat out annoying to fight at the casual level. F1+2 is obscene, there’s no way it doesn’t get touched in the next balance adjustment. Punishing some of his moves feels super inconsistent, idk if it’s the pushback from power crush or what but sometimes i13 or even i12 punishes won’t land. The parry is also a bit much, Clive is blessed with the slow down to guarantee follow ups but stuff like Leeroy’s perfect parry follow up or Feng’s shifting clouds auto-launch can be interrupted? I’m used to zoners in 2D games but it just feels so much more annoying in Tekken for some reason.
His power crush is safe from mid range. And I mean average mid range, not the moves mid range. Aka 1 step away, while the move hits from 8 steps away. Genius balancing.
@@kato093 maybe you just suck at the game because its actually -13 at the lowest safe at MAX distance because you are to far away from clive to punish so maybe go in clives close range where he actually blows cock with a terrible mid check. also clive has no plus frame while running 2 is only plus 2 on block
I'd be more upset if releasing a new character intentionally overturned to inflate sales wasn't so damn obvious.
The real annoying part is the community trying to gaslight you into thinking it's not obvious
Clive is a character with upgraded stats and range that you pay just a little extra for to use. A pay to play if you will.
ugh, I hate ya m8, but you're right.
More like to pay to win...most of what makes him a threat is very easy to do and be consistent with
Bro, when YOU (PhiDX) gonna bring out the Clive in tournament play? You KNOW you wanna get to it. Lol
He's a King player now 😬
@andreirving779 oh dear. I ain't mad at it but BOY do I hate fighting King. Lol
Someone who started tekken 4 years ago...played even with intermittent breaks I still had over 100 hours a month on Tekken atleast. For the first time I had less than 100 hours on Tekken in December. Its gonna be even lower in January cuz cuz Clive came out in middle of December. It's not all on Clive but the Dev's who can't seem to understand how to make an enjoyable new character. Why does every new character have a stance bullshit? Even worse with clive as they also gave him complete space control.
You don't think he's broken? The funny thing is, he is! ☠
clive reminds me t7 kuni, you cant move vs him at any range without danger of being clipped by random shit. just sit still and play 2d
Except worse. Because at least 2,2 was a close range move.
Clive has the Kuni tracking, but from the length of a football field.
Having played both, they're very different to pilot, with Kuni being great at small Tekken, and Clive being great at big Tekken.
But their ability to lockdown movement is nuts, for sure.
I think this might be even more obnoxious in some ways, just because the heat engager aspect breaks the game.
There needs to be balance adjustments 100%.
@@Everybodyhasapryce i mean playing against him feels kinda same, kuni had buttons to clip you from football field too
This, you actually at an advantage if you respect him. Most of his moves rely on your opponent to press a button. Clive usually tries to open you up with his dash stance mixup,grabs, or simply lows. If you make the correct read it's an easy punish
except Kuni shit was minus on block while Clive is safe .
@@Everybodyhasaprycedumbass? He doesn't have her f2 projectile that is stupid fast and catches sidewalking with dash realignment and it's also mid safe on block that can launch while in rage. Wow, just like Clive's f1+2 that also launches spending heat. No way...
You know Phi, it *does* it does make me feel better.
I knew this was coming. Bamco and their bad business practices
Clive with the infinite reach with sword slash and then he also has a big parry game where he can almost parry anything and everything when just about to get hit he teleports and punishes instead...in one of my online matches I found out about this the hard way 😢😢😢
the exagerated visual effects alone make him a pain to play against. personaly I just block any Clive player that I go up against.
Raven's parry, but with no drawbacks. Raven teleports away & is so minus when he does that no follow-up is guaranteed. If he does it from backturn, he's still so minus that anyone who's ready for it can turn around to block once he teleports behind them. If they have backturn offense like Xiaoyu, Raven can be launched after a successful parry. He also takes chip damage every time he does the parry successfully.
Clive gets the same thing, only there's zero drawback & he gets guaranteed damage lmao.
Paul has range 3.0 hit engager safe low crush homing mid also haha.
For the valorant players out there, it's just like day 1 chamber. His kit was busted on release but there were a LOT of people calling him balanced. All of them look stupid as hell now, and the same will happen for the clive defenders of today
Forget Chamber, Tejo is our Clive 💀
This character is a joke man
For a character that summons the strength of many powerful creatures, the attack that scares me the most is his li'l toe kick from phoenix shift. Stay away from my toesies, Clive!
Thanks for telling the Clive inputs. Easier for practicing ❤
(f1+2) and (1+2) are so dumb man, they should be unsafe or have the tracking removed. He already have dumb stance 50/50 mixup, insane dmg, and dumb FC mixup with unparryable long range low...he does not need those god buttons that's both safe and heat engage...
1+2 has no tracking, super linear and the range is ass and he also loses his turn.
🤣 you just suck at fighting him, it's just F1+2 that's annoying and bullshit
@@90sPotato I know, and that's why (1+2) should be unsafe. (f1+2) should be unsafe or no tracking.
@sbilly17 are you listening to yourself?
🤣, who in the game has an unsafe 13 frame mid check?
You want to nerf a move that has no range, has no tracking, he loses his turn, he can't parry or sidestep after?
You wanna nerf it why? What is he supposed to then use to check opponents?
His df 1 is 14 frames, and he has no good mid check. All others are highs.
So because it's a heat engager, then it should be made unsafe?
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@@90sPotato Don't worry Clive main lil bro, we're getting your main nerf soon 🤣🤣
@sbilly17 That's the funny part 🤣 I don't even main him. I'm just amazed at how you're just mouthing off without actual reason.
Humor me, why should 1+2 be nerfed, what about the move is broken.
Enlighten me cause we all know why
It took almost a month for people to finally realize this? 😂
buff steve namco wtf
Please god no xD 😭🙏
Fuck no 😊
@@akbarnanda4874 Better nerf the British Kempo
It has begun
Point Blank pressure is pretty good against Clive. I really struggle with him against Rush Down characters like Hwoarang and Lidia. Steve and Nina are also pretty hard to handle and Yoshimitsu is outright impossible if the player knows what they're doing.
F1+2 will have to be nerfed eventually and i'm not against it. But he will end up exactly like Jun and Devil Jin afterwards, getting few of their key moves toned down and suddenly they are at the lower half of the tierlist. Clive won't be dominating for very long, he is just enjoying the newcomer advantage.
For now keep in mind he is giving up his turn every time he does it, leaving him right close up to you (where he doesn't want to be) and on whiff recovers super super slow. Yes, Clive players online whiff that thing a lot and that's pretty normal if you're navigating a character that wants to be at mid-range. Depending on the character you can launch-punish it very reliably (f3 with Clive, b3 with Hwoarang, u1+2 with Alissa, delayed cd2 with Jin, ff2 with Victor, Jun and Aska etc).
anyways i want him nerfed to the ground
Giving up his turn if he doesn't parry right after
The characters you struggle against usually exposes players defence and if you dont move correctly away from them they auto win neutral. Its like many of you players even at my rank God you dont move you Can Block but why try and guess hwo’s mixups or steves free frames moving around is your issue I Think
@Sage_6reen if Clive parries right after, it gets stuffed by jab strings, it'll only work if you play a slow option after (I've tested it). parry works best for Clive when he's -4 to -6. They're definitely making f1+2 steppable and probably punishable though
@@krisztianfrandsen8780 my man, absolute top top players are complaining about Nina and Yoshimitsu. I don't wanna hear anything about exposing defensive skills.
Tracks side steps and walks almost a mid (long range) heat engage.... this game man
Now that the sales of the character are mostly done, its time to talk about balance. Waiting for a tmm video where he acknowledges this and we can wrap this up.
LMAO MainManswe reminds of Skill4ltu. Skill4ltu is a content creator for the game "world of tanks". in one of his old videos he criticized the game and talked about how certain tanks are unbalanced. after that he posted another video in which he apologized to WG (the owners) and said the game is fine and balanced. these content creator depend on the game companies to put food on the table so they have to suck up to them.
@@yushakakarot150 You say that, but can you explain why? A tekken youtuber is not like an access journalist.
For me it’s not even the matchup, but the sensory overload. One button and there’s all these effects on the screen and I lose focus of what’s going on and then once the match is over, I need 5 minutes to gather myself and recover.
So now he’s a problem 🤣🤣🤣💀💀 That’s what people have been saying since D1 but y’all didn’t want to listen.
People didn't listen cause they think people pointing out obvious bad things I'd lsck of skill or hating on the character cause they themselves will use them for the broken factor then when they nerf the shit out of them they disappear. I don't rematch against these f-ers
no they arent saying this from d1 they crying d1 before even knew about the character. shut up plis
@@Iago.Carvalhoyou can rest and goon and cry for another day bro
Would be cool to see the pros in a tournament where the opponent picks your fighter, or the tournament themselves picks based on your history. Force the pros to show what they got with other characters
Its definitely not fun to watch and nor is it fun to play against clive. Idk what they were thinking... why did they even think this was okay? Im expecting and hoping for some massive nerfs next season, but i have low expectations considering their lack of action thus far with certain characters.
The problem is that the reach puts him into an entirely different strategic area. He doesn't need to have plus frames or even negative frames below -8 and -9. His biggest strength is that he can intimidate you completely outside your range. He has solid tools on top of the reach. If you mess up, you take Bryan levels of damage but from farther away. Take any other safe heat engager, and double the range. Literally the same situation.
Ok, huge rant incoming:
Not gonna lie, Clive represents the absolute WORST of Tekken 8, and that says alot. This game has it's obvious flaws and Clive is basically the epitome of that.
The over-the-top cringy animé effects of his moves. The 5 second of cutscenes everytime you press a button, the long cutscenes of rageart that just take you out of the zone of a fastpaced fightinggame. The projectiles and lazers and the flying and whatnot. You can't even see what the hell is going on.
And I've not even talked about his broken moves, the forces 50/50s, the unseeable and thus unreactable mix-ups that basically makes the game a casino. A full screen powercrush with pushback, a 16 frame mid-mid homing heat engager that's safe on block. Cheap unreactable lows out of stance. The absolute worst of Tekken flowcharting.
It's so bad, it's not even fun to win with Clive because you know you only won because the opponent happened to guess wrong, not because you had the better fundamentals or better technique. That's Tekken 8 in a nutshell right now, and Clive is a leading example.
VF6 is looking better and better everyday and I'll jump the ship as soon as possible.
Get good
Not that bad. Yoshi and nina are way worse to deal with
@@GKillaG Oh my goooood.... you *SO* cool and funnyyyy...! And such an original and interesting comment... just WOW!!!
Do you wanna friends?
Oh because Virtua Fighter is so known for not having constant 50/50 checks, high aggression and safe on block strings. Have you ever touched a VF? It's gonna be a nasty shock.
50/50s have been baked into fighting game design since day 1. Block dude
Unless I'm mistaken and they already do, I wish they would release characters through a playtest first. But I guess that would eliminate the surprise factor of releasing them
Can’t wait for him to get nerfed
Great analysis 😊
Clive...
a) is OP
b) is behind a paywall
c) makes him more unpredictable to casual players.
As a bryan main this is informative.
bandai namco is killing OG tekken with characters like these. Clive has no business in this game
Tekken has had guests for a decade now. That ship has sailed.
Dude we have had far stronger characters be in the game before your just dooming. He wil get nerfed like every other single guest character
@@Space_Pirate97 we will see the end of it
@@Erahku3991 not all reach their desired destination.
@@Erahku3991they had Gon as a guest in Tekken 3 so for more than a decade
Clive is strong but not broken IMO. I think a lot of people have gotten used to rush down offense in T8 which Clive’s kit counters that really well. People side step my F 1+2 to the right quite often but I also don’t spam it. Most of his moves give up his turn. I would say his power crush is the most OP.
As a Lee Player WHO Likes to play keepout and big counter Clive is the absolut pain. His Ränge and the F1+2 is Just a pain 🫠
How this move can‘t be punished is beyond me.
What did the game developers smoke?
Mannnnn I’ve dropped so much in rank playing clive players. I was at TK now im legit raijin. Such a buzzkill to be matched up against.
@@DennisTheZZZ Something way to strong 🫠 maybe chemicals
@@cringepapi5071 yes Same. Nearly Tekken god back to bujin 😂 since the Update The matchups are crazy
@@DennisTheZZZ I can understand the safe part as T8 added demon paw. But the good tracking of both hits is utterly brain-ded.
And he already has that crazy high b2 which is practically homing.
These days I could only win against bad Clive by forward dash blocking sticking close all the time. But there's no way it works against good players.
I only had to see Clives trailer and I went from wanting Tekken 8 as my first fighting game when I can afford to upgrade to ps5 to "I'll probably get it sometime after vf6"
Just like Noctis, he's gonna get nerfs anyway.
Hate to break it to you: Noctis only got stronger every season.
@DamonVerial He got nerfed..
@@DamonVerial noctis does get nerfed tho, his db2 and db 1+2 was nerfed which make him him weaker on the online scene.
Still that nerf did nothing for the pro scene because no one use those move there.
@@DamonVerial so we're ok with rewriting history now, huh. The truth was he was nerfed in Year 1-2, and was practically untouched for 3+ years and was only popularized late into T7 by CBM and of course, some casual named PGX or something.
@@padzman91EXACTLY. Noctis was much more balance and way cooler guest character compared to bishass op Clive and required more skill to win with. He wasn’t an all around monster and had some clear weaknesses, no dickjab and reliable high crush plus on hit low. His game was strictly keep out and whiff punishment. Clive has more braindead 50/50 mixups.
Being -9 after every attack being abused by Clive Players is going to be faded in coming months very quickly
0:51 This game looks so pwettyy 😍
Hope you get to play it mf
@@hiddy_ Don't worry I played it a lot
That is why I don't play rankeds till next season patch. If they patch it right I might be back to finish ranks.
The Tekken community deserves Clive.
No.
Yes. This is true. He should be buffed even more.
Yea. The developers are punishing them for all the whining and complaints 😂
@@Gboythundathat’s what I’m saying😂 people would even cry if it was tifa
Clive making Tekken Fans Learn Virtua fighter
DLC character power creep since 7, shocking.
They are destroying the Game
No their not
Calm down doomer, we're still in 1.0 basically
Making it Peak. Tekken players are whining for nothing
Tekken is noob game play virtua fighter
@@NemoRackkzTekken infant spotted.
Only one solution. HAVE YOU SEEN new virtual fighter. Harada take notes
I want Bugs Bunny as the next guess character
If us noobs gotta deal with hwoarang, then the pros just gotta deal with Mr Clive Sama 😂😂
What a joke the early defense for Clive by creators and DLC tierw**** was.
Bro is in the wrong namco game
As an asuka main I don’t appreciate how hard I have to work against the gauntlet of Clive’s
When he gets corrected you barely lose to Clive, so there's that!
Pay to win character with the best range, safe tracking Heat engaging moves.
Not justClive is DLC character you can see the range it's broker so I'm not doing rematch win or lose with Clive players online.
1 and done loser 😂
Rematche vs this is a suicide elo
Not fun to play vs this,winrate8 for 10 game
DLC? Only Clive is broken. Heihachi is super well designed and fun to play against. Clive is shit. Plus he has so many effects that I see shit on 4k 85oled... What to say if someone plays on 24inch screen...
Of course he has a sword. They should add Star Killer and Darth Vader in the next Season to balance out sword play😊
Victor and yoshi would like a word
@SquashMelendez who are they again..... I can't remember my mind is blank
Namco’s done it before they might just do it again lol
I wonder why they didn't make 1 and 2 rolling on different side. I committed suicide so many times trying to roll but the getup kick coming out.
All the Clive defenders in shambles after latest patch
I just hope they don't go overboard with nerfs, leaving Clive useless.
f+1+2 having a tracking nerf would be fine imo, it's a good move with a lot of properties but being able to step it would be death with how far he advances and how long the whole animation takes to play out.
@T3hBadger even just making the second hit steppable would be fine. A lot of times I've used it at range, the first hit would whiff but the second one would track. That's bullshit lol. But generally, these devs can sometimes go over the top with nerfs. That would be a shame because Clive is a pretty cool character and they've done a good job overall.
I hope they do. Terrible character, FF16 sucked. RIP bozo.
@@Ti_Fire I thought it was incredible, world and characters where interesting, story was enjoyable, OST was fire and the combat had a TON of depth.
It was a good successful game, it might not be your cup of tea and that's ok, but it wasn't a bad game.
They gotta nerf everything.
Worst part of this character is that it demands players to spam same attack over and over again cuz while some certain moves are broken as hell, he’s overall normals aren’t that good.
Heat ruined Tekken
Nah, the implementation did. If heat worked like Rage in SamSho 2019, or literally any ex meter, it’d be a way better system. I don’t understand why Heat is available round start
@ Tekken shouldn’t have universal meter system at all imo. Tekken is losing its identity like it or not alot of FGC would agree with that take.
It's going to take a while to figure out Clive. The next major tournament winner will without a doubt be a Clive user.
Yo Phi, how do you go about booking a lesson with you brotha?
I've tried for over a year without any success. If you find the answer, pass on the info.
Become more famous than him (this is a joke)
He's not doing coaching rn if I remember right. Every time someone asks in his streams, he recommends them other coaches
@@DamonVerial youre the last person i expected to see here
@@aqueelkadri8371 haha is it though?
He is a Soul Caliber character so there is that.
Nah I’m about to crashout, I’ve been defending Clive since day one 😂 and I will continue to downplay this man 😂
Kids think its funny to downplay? Yikes
your downplay will achieve nothing except making you feel a little better when you get destroyed
🤡
Carried
Mfs out here not getting that it’s a joke 💀
Good commentary!
I quit tekken 8 after Heihachi. Tekken is 31 years old now. They KNOW how to balance characters, but they purposely release DLC characters in this state so more people buy them. They added a store a month after release after they promised the community they would not. And idc if I sound crazy, when they changed matchmaking to prioritise prowess, it was 100% some EOMM BS designed to keep you stuck and drive up player retention. This company spent 31 years building up good will, just to cash it all in.
Hei is one of the most balanced characters ever made. Tf u talking about
If people genuinely believe heihachi was balanced on release, then I'm genuinely happy I quit when I did. Holy.
Then after all this stuff he launches you then you’ve gotta watch him juggle you for 20 seconds
I literally made a post on a Facebook group with the exact same title on the day of Clive’s launch, and I got DRAGGED. They kept saying “skill issue, sounds like a green rank, just admit you suck.” Over 40 comments just completely telling me that I suck. and now literally everyone is saying the same thing I said at his launch. I’m not saying I was the only one or the first to say it, but now, im seeing the same exact people who attacked me, complaining about him now. I really really really hate our community.
The Tekken community is dishonest, as a whole. Everyone looks at the game exclusively through the perspective of the character they main, rather than looking at the bigger picture for the game overall (like Phi & other creators do). As such, there are probably a ton of people downplaying Clive because they have a pocket Clive in high ranks, and they're just gonna downplay to hell & back.
@@pichaelthompson that's it? i made a post on reddit pointing out all the flaws I felt this game had. honest opinion which i am entitled to btw cuz i paid full price to buy this game. But I was bombarded with downvotes and negative comments by a whole bunch of bots and ultimately my post was taken down by the mods cuz apparently I was breaking some rule they just pulled out of their ass. And then for retaliating with another post I was permanently banned.
This Whole community is trash and I have never seen such a sheep walking negative community for any game. Not even COD community comes close to it.
I mean tbh..... it is a skill issue.
Downplayers have the real skill issue. They don't have anything interesting or meaningful to say so just desperately claw at a sense of superiority by shitting on other people. Obnoxious nubs, honestly.
@@NemoRackkzI mean tbh... no. Just shut up.
The emerge of Clive proves that the series isn't going the right direction after all.
Got cooked with his main, but can win spamming the same moves with Clive. I hate this character in Tekken.
This is what yall get for crying about him being released. Thank God he's busted
@@NemoRackkzthe fuck is this supposed to *mean*?
Feature the ulsan vs mulgold winners final match where mulgold's Clive was up 2-0 over ulsan's drag. Then ulsan switched to Clive and came back to win 3-2. Clive abuse at its finest! It was a game of chicken on who would duck first haha
If Mugold plays a FF character, you can call him Moogle.
I absolutely hate his damn powercrush
it's disgusting how brainwashed and buffed is Clive...
if they would decrease the visual effects that comes out of him that would be a good nerf to him so that we can at least see wtf he is doing to block it though that alone won't be enough of a nerf.